Regulated Capitialism is beautiful. When government checks big buisness and stops monopolys and conglomerates when they occur then small buisness can flourish and competition can over. Unregulated capitalism = Today. At this point to be honest. I say let this motherfucker burn. No more bailouts, This system is fundamentally flawed and we've been trying to put a metaphorical band aid on a system with 20 bullet wounds. This system is on life support lets give it a mercy killing.
20 is actually 16% of 120 and would be 10% of 198. I know I might be nit picking but, just trying to further emphasize how big a bunch of scumbags they really are.
Why are they(a handful of corporate scumfucks) in the red to us (millions of people), and they get 90%, while we only get 10?
These guys make way to much money to begin with and after being saved by taxpayer money they keep this type of greed up? They should be making half of what they did.
You genie0390 are comfortable being fucked in the ass by these companies but a lot of people aren't.
it's not really up to you to decide how much executives earn. Shareholders and business owners decide those issues
you don't like executives making big bucks, most of whom have degrees, super talent, work long hrs and take on heavy responsibilities, BUT you don't mind a prick like Tiger Woods worth a billion??
how about movie actors, singers, football players, baseball players etc making hundreds of millions playing kid games?
America is so fucked up, we deserve the shit we get
"It is when their job is saved by taxpayer money you moron. What the fuck are you on crack?"
first, the Gov't had a great deal to do causing the housing bubble which led to the meltdown. Every politician liked the idea of poor people in big homes, borrowing on equities and SPENDING, understand that dummie?
second, most banks for eg didn't want TARP monies
bailouts shouldn't have taken place
according to your fuckass logic, you save a drowning woman, you have the right to fuck her??
"first, the Gov't had a great deal to do causing the housing bubble which led to the meltdown."
No it was an unregulated market thanks to bush administration sitting on their fucking hands. There are many fingers to point but it's factually incorrect to say the government caused it all.
I don't care thank most banks didn't want it. They took it iand it kept them from going under.
"bailouts shouldn't have taken place" Everyone agrees it kept us from going over a cliff.
"according to your fuckass logic, you save a drowning woman, you have the right to fuck her?? "
Where the fuck did you get that logic? You MUST be on crack or drunk or you are just plain fucking stupid. Keep making yourself look like a moron if you want.
@genie0390 The point is that they want the government to stay out of their business and trust them to regulate themselves but then proceed to destroy our economy and cause massive unemployment which affects the lives of man many people. then the government bails them out for completely failing at their job. normally when people screw up that bad on a job they get fired. They make tons of money as it is what are the bonuses for??? A job well done?
"banks often save businesses. does that give them rights to run the lives of employees?"
It's not taxpayer money. Even after we bailed them out they were very slow to hand out credit to small business which is exactly what we needed to get the economy back on track again.
So they fuck up, we bail them out they won't even open up credit and start paying themselves bonuses again and you think it's ok? Wow you are one stupid blind sheep.
I guess all this hooah over deficit spending was for nothing because the money will fall out of the sky to pay it back! Gee Genie you are so clever thanks for informing everyone they won't ever carry any burden for the nations deficit which is partially there because we had to bailout FAILING BANKS who made this recovery take longer because they didn't OPEN CREDIT when they were given money.
Sarcasm off. See what a dumb cunt you are Genie? Stupid ignorant troll bitch.
"easy, you fucktard, it will be corporations, 3-5% of top money earners, rich people through estate taxes, capital gains etc.,...and
those making the big bonuses! Not guys like you"
hahahaha no...they don't. You really know nothing about the economy. You sound like someone repeating talking points from a radio show. You are such a weak minded dipshit.
Rich people and corporations are going to pay the deficit back...LOL.
The incumbents should suffer for this mess not because they belong to a certain political party but because they are in a seat, they're the incumbents and responsible for folding like empty milk cartons. The sad thing is that for this coming midterm election 90% of current incumbents will keep their seats. so much for "change"
It was brilliant to bail out banks wasnt it. Stupid. The bonuses were contractual. They would have won in court. Nothing they could do. Theses bailouts were a joke. Bush-Obama suck
Young Turks hate Conservatives more than they love America. How sad they are such idiot kool aidd rinking loons, like those of you that agree with them.
how can they pay a bonus under bankruptcy? the respective state taxing authorities can come after them. if they went bankrupt that means they are have to pay taxes from the bankruptcy sale of their assets. if they have any money in the coffers it has to go satisfying the monies owed first. there is no legal room for a bonus. HOW CAN THESE BONUSES POSSIBLY BE UNLESS IT IS PRIMA FACIA EVIDENCE OF FUCKING GOD DAMN GOVT CORRUPTION !!! IF THIS WAS ME, THEY WOULD HAVE REAMED ME A NEW ASSHOLE.
Also, to let you know... When he says "we want to deregulate these companies..." he is purely lying. There are so many misconceptions this guy has.... he should either stop criticizing what he knows nothing about...or become educated on the subject first. Anyone that has watched this video and agreed with him has done themselves an injustice. NOTHING said here is correct. (Not sure if I have stressed that enough) His knowledge on this subject is absolutely nonexistent!
Because they didn't go through any bankruptcy proceedings, the govt cannot stop them from receiving this money. (If they would have filed for bankruptcy, those contracts would have been renegotiated or tossed) When you sign a valid contract, it is legally binding...the govt cannot choose to break a contract in force. (at least not in America, due to the Constitution)
So again, the reason these contracts must be paid is the document is still legally binding. Forget logic...think LAW
1. The word bankruptcy is a legal term, and he DID say they went bankrupt & then went on to compare them to a corp that did file for bankruptcy. HINT: You aren't bankrupt unless you file for it)
2. Stock is ownership in a corp, so that is not money that was borrowed or that should be paid back. If I buy a stock, the corp owes me nothing, but dividends (if app) and voting rights.
You seem angry, but still uninformed. Everything in this video is false and misleading.
what do u mean u arent bankrupt if u dont file for it?? If you owe money and u cant pay it back that means your in debt and depending on how much you owe you need to file for bankruptcy
Also it is a known fact that AIG has messed with the numbers to make it seem like they were doing good when in reality they were doing poorly.
The video is just an opinion but dont make it seem like it is all lies because he is well-informaed and has shed light on a few important matters.
I can understand where you come from, but everything in this video IS wrong. The term bankruptcy ONLY applies when you file for it. (Maybe people say the term all the time, but it is strictly a LEGAL term. It isn't correct when it is applied to ANYONE who hasn't filed.
And about AIG fudging the numbers....it isn't any known fact (at least not publicly) and this wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with what we are talking about.
I understand your disgust, but we are a country of laws...not mobs
This is all general business knowledge. If you don't believe me, please crack any high school business book. You don't have to have a Series 7 license to know this stuff.
I never tried to debate the definition of the word bankruptcy. You heard Cenk wrong and made a bullshit point about AIG not filing bankruptcy. You were wrong, it's BLARINGLY obvious you were wrong. Just fucking accept it and move on. You're making yourself look worse here.
Correct! The banks never filed for bankruptcy. The government not only borrowed and gave them the money with little to no terms, they're the ones that went to the banks to borrow them money in the first place, banks never started begging until government suggested the bailouts. The banks are actually forced by the laws government created and those in the constitution to pay those contracts. I understand the outrage as you do, congress really fucked up and now they have no power over the banks.
Honestly heres what I want to happen..I want the WHOLE FUCKING SYSTEM to collapse, mass layoffs, riots, and mabye just MABYE my fellow Americans, we will learn not to just sit around being f'ed by our government and banks with our thumbs up our asses
mexico was a test like 6 or 7 years ago, the same thing happened, and we're still paying the banks, it will take around 20 more years. it was a test because nothing happened, please americans, for the first time dacle war to the real enemy, you have your 5th amendment, use it wisely
I don't care who you are (big or small) company. Bonuses are exactly that, BONUSES! A reward, simple as that. You don't get a reward for running a company into the ground. Bonuses should come from a SURPLUS the company has created. No surplus, no bonus! I personally believe ALL companies that got bail outs should have been required to submit a game plan as to how they will fix the problems with the bail out money and be forced to show they are sticking to the plan by being inspected.
I agree, The government is incapable of doing anything to reign AIG in. These people need to have their asses kicked. If we fuck-up a few of them, the rest of the rats will decide it's not worth it and quit screwing us.
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hey cenk we live in this thing called THE FREE MARKET and in the free market people are compensated for their services which is why its important we pay these bankers for their talents because their the only ones who can fix the economy that obama and his record breaking taxes caused, so lets get rid of some of these socialist regulations and let the banks get back to making america strong
@tehant1liberal are you fucking kidding me? Im astonished at ur reasoning. Either way nothing will seem 2 get resolved. Gov't involvement is as malignant and cancerous as it could possibly b 2 the people. Deep set n corruption everything is fucked, but to actually support the idea that bankers will fix it all. Humanity is naturally evil there is no resolution leaving it up 2 "specialists" they aren't out to fix us! Just themselves. just wow, seriously Can't believe theres people out ther like u
You are foolishly misrepresenting the basic idea of a free market economy. These banks are receiving a loan from the government. Imagine buying a house and having a mortgage. Now, imagine at the end of each month having a payment to make. Then, you make a call, and tell the bank, "hey, I've worked really hard this month, and I think I deserve a bit of a break, so I'm only going to pay you 50% of this month's mortgage payment, so that I can use the other 50% and buy something nice for myself".
Clearly, this does not make sense, and yet it mirrors quite readily the situation at hand.
Secondarily, don't confuse BONUSES for SALARIES. I am in full agreement with these men and women receiving their originally-allotted SALARIES. BONUSES, on the other hand, are traditionally reserved for rewards that have come about due to outstanding profit within the company.
Make sure you understand the systems properly before making nonsensical claims about "this thing called THE FREE MARKET."
The "Free Market" you are most likely referring to doesn't exist in any currently given country. It is impossible for any completely Free Market to exist in modern economies without some kind of distortion. The model itself is practically hypothetical.
Not to mention, it doesn't work anyway. This current crisis wasn't caused by a Free Market, but it was caused by a lack of regulation. This lack of such is invented by Free Market ideology, which isn't a working model, in all honesty...
We rich people would like to thank the conservative, republican, libertarian and objectivist for creating an atmosphere since reagan an atmosphere that allows for us to rob blind the american and world peoples. And most people are too cowardly to actually do anything against us. I love being rich. You keep following Murdocj and his mouthpieces and keep being ditto heads, we thank you for your lack of intelligence, and will that allows to make up the rules and make you believe them to be right
We're no longer "Land of the Free". Instead we're "Land of the Free Market". Or "Land of the Underpaid Corporate Slaves", I haven't decided which one's better yet.
AIG is disgusting they all should be thrown in jail.. suddenly regular bank robbers don't seem bad because the real robbers WORK at the corporations. I guess America has turned into a nation of, by, and for the corporate interests.
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I know I'm going to sound like an asshole, but sometimes when I pause the young turks, Cenk has an evil look on his face and reminds me of a terrorist. (I'm a big fan of the show, I just thought I would comment)
I love Cenk's idea to tell them that we are willing to put them in prison for fraud. - However that is suggesting that America is a serious nation and this GD banana republic will never hold a rich person accountable for any reason.
i like that cause in the state of the union address i could tell he was just giving us some ookie cutter bullshit and trying to place blame on republicans instead of growing a pair of balls and saying that he's goona regulate every fucking "big" company until they get their shit together
the banks are using the influence in the government they put in place to insure they get anything they want .. that is why the banking industry invested $5 billion in the last decade to buy congress and get their people appointed to government offices that directly regulate their business dealings
Cenk, don't you get it. The law is to protect the rich. They are the ones running the government. I mean look at the facts. When corporations lose in courts, the results are sealed and somehow the government gives that same company subsidies for something that ends up being the exact amount that was settled on. Or the company changes it's name and still able to get subsidies. The mama and papa businesses don't get anything. It's protectionism of the wealthy and well connected.
since 2008, we've payed at least $25B to "Canada mortgage and housing corp" a crown corporation to help stabilize the Canadian mortgage market.
And it's not as good as the Canadian media would have us believe either... But thank god we have a much sounder social structure as a safety net, your right.
Canadians need to get rid of this "We're better than Americans" attitude, there's more corruption taking place here then we canuks willing to admit.
true.. didn't ur Prime Minister make it possible for him to stay in office beyond his normal term ? that is very scary if a head of state doesn't leave office when he is suppose to
We have a Westminster-style parliamentary system as long as the leader of any given party, in this case the conservatives, has support from another, the ndp (New democratic party), he stays the majority, it's called a plural government.
This system is complicated at times because I still don't understand where our elected government starts and the Crown (bureaucracy) ends.
The way I understand it, the queen can still veto bill.
She can, but if she does, shes a goner. And its the queen by proxy. Its the governor general (disposable) who sign the bills in the name of the queen.
Its all still in place because the constitution is extremely hard to modify, mainly because all province can simply veto any major change for whatever reason they see fit.
The queen of Canada has more power, then the queen of the united kingdom, by constitutional rule.
Isn't that a bitch?
I've learned allot since I've come back and still learning. One thing that I see as problematic is the crown, and by crown I mean the country's bureaucracies, is absolute. There's no real way to keep them in check i.e. the RCMP is a contractor to the queen and answers only to the her. WTF?
last yr I thought there was a news story about the prime minister at the objection of many extended his time in office .. but don't get bent out of shape.if it didn't happen.. maybe it was the Governor General
Hey Guys, I was just wondering if you would check out my channel. My VIDEOS ARE KIND OF LIKE A MIX OF THE YOUNG TURKS AND SXEPHIL. I make videos everyday and it would really mean a lot if you just checked it out.
Rape is only serious if it happens to someone who doesn't deserve it. But in this case I believe that most corporate execs deserve to get fucked in the ass
no jackass did you not read what i said. Take your head out your ass and pay attention. No one said it wasn't bad but you believe that no one should be raped, well I think someone who fucks with my ability to make money and provide a living for my family and afford to put a roof over my family's head deserves to get raped multiple times. I don't care if it is a man or woman you can't be allowed to play with people's lives like that.
Also how am I a feminist if what i said had nothing to do with women. The only feminist here is you and your argument is shitty, just like your idiotic logic.
How retarded do you sound?. I can tell your just some stupid little 13 year old that thinks that everyone deserves equal treatment. I'm also guessing that you don't have a job so keep your idiotic thoughts to yourself. In some cases, Rape is justified. Now the subject is closed, bitch.
no idiot. My point is that since you dont have a job(assuming u dont) you dont know what its like to have your wages garnished, living from paycheck to paycheck, been fired, not able to afford your house or apartment because of how greedy executives are and how they dont care about ruining people's lives and all they qant is to make a quick buck. think and read before you try to formulate an opinion.
I agree, although I'm more of a social capitalist then a socialist. But America needs a socialist/labor party just so they can catch up to Europe and Canada in terms of social progress.
Ever since the bogus congressional investigation, I've been waiting for the media to report that Edward Liddy resigned from the GOLDMAN board of directors to go to AIG. That was just DAYS before Paulson's bailout!
The talking point here useless. The $700 billion bail is is the farce. I don't want just that back. I want a percentage of profit on the $28+ trillion given by the fed at no cost to be pumped back into the wall street markets. How do you think they are making those bonuses?
This is also how you get a jobless recovery, and a short term up word spurt in the stocks(artificial).
Hold on to your hats this year folks, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
It may not be perfect but the Scandinavian model of capitalism works so much better. The system would never be accepted wholly by the US but taking some lessons from it would avoid ultra greed destroying the lives of those who helped to accumulate the wealth in the 1st place
Capitalism- an economic system in which investment in ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is MADE by private individuals or corporations. The bail out is socialism. "the means of production and distribution of goods are controlled by the government or a collective.
Please don't buy into there belief that capitalism is bad. Free market when left untethered, made the country the richest and innovative in the world.
Actually an untethered free market has caused two economic crashes in 1 century. Remember that it was the U.S.A. that led the world into the Great Depression & Recession. Some regulation is required. Also, the U.S.A. is not the richest country in the world.
Read "Meltdown" by Tom Wood, and you will find out more about the Great Depression and the Depression of the 20s. The difference was; the Great Depression was planned and carried out and then sustained for 15 years because of government interference.
The USA was, I repeat was the richest. Not only that we had more inventions and cutting edge industry way earlier than any other country.
Now, put down your big mac, filter your water, and forget about your public school indoctrination.
I'm so tired of hearing about AIG. I would love it if the next time I hear "AIG" it would be followed by "Is completely DONE and is currently in liquidation".
FYI the head of AIG Financial Division, who brought the company down currently lives in the UK. All that money he made, and continues to make is "Trickling Down" in a foreign country.
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We need Sarah Palin as President for she will put AIG in its place and ensure that its CEOs does not take bonuses out of taxpayer money! If she catches them cheating on the people, she will UNLEASH the WRATH OF GOD onto the CEOs and EXPOSE their CIRCUMCIZED PUSSIES for the WHOLE WORLD TO SEE and DESTROY AIG to the GROUND just like Jesus destroyed the temple!
Good show Cenk - couldn't be better said
billoakesattablthree 1 year ago
Regulated Capitialism is beautiful. When government checks big buisness and stops monopolys and conglomerates when they occur then small buisness can flourish and competition can over. Unregulated capitalism = Today. At this point to be honest. I say let this motherfucker burn. No more bailouts, This system is fundamentally flawed and we've been trying to put a metaphorical band aid on a system with 20 bullet wounds. This system is on life support lets give it a mercy killing.
FitnessGuru1988 2 years ago
AIG
Always Inconsiderate Greed
lilsparky97 2 years ago
20 is actually 16% of 120 and would be 10% of 198. I know I might be nit picking but, just trying to further emphasize how big a bunch of scumbags they really are.
Why are they(a handful of corporate scumfucks) in the red to us (millions of people), and they get 90%, while we only get 10?
billpasdmf 2 years ago
get it straight
Air America was shut down because it was polluting the air waves with stupid liberal dogma
as for bonuses, they are really commissions and the company is legally obligated to pay
America has the best legal system in the whole World. If these "bonuses" were some sort of scam, our system would stop them dead in their tracks
we must trust our system! just ask any lawyer! just ask Cenk
genie0390 2 years ago
liberal dogma?Lol
These guys make way to much money to begin with and after being saved by taxpayer money they keep this type of greed up? They should be making half of what they did.
You genie0390 are comfortable being fucked in the ass by these companies but a lot of people aren't.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
it's not really up to you to decide how much executives earn. Shareholders and business owners decide those issues
you don't like executives making big bucks, most of whom have degrees, super talent, work long hrs and take on heavy responsibilities, BUT you don't mind a prick like Tiger Woods worth a billion??
how about movie actors, singers, football players, baseball players etc making hundreds of millions playing kid games?
America is so fucked up, we deserve the shit we get
genie0390 2 years ago
"it's not really up to you to decide how much executives earn."
It is when their job is saved by taxpayer money you moron. What the fuck are you on crack?
"you don't like executives making big bucks, most of whom have degrees, super talent, work long hrs and take on heavy responsibilities"
All of whom let their companies fail enough they had to be bailed out you stupid ignorant fuck.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
"It is when their job is saved by taxpayer money you moron. What the fuck are you on crack?"
first, the Gov't had a great deal to do causing the housing bubble which led to the meltdown. Every politician liked the idea of poor people in big homes, borrowing on equities and SPENDING, understand that dummie?
second, most banks for eg didn't want TARP monies
bailouts shouldn't have taken place
according to your fuckass logic, you save a drowning woman, you have the right to fuck her??
genie0390 2 years ago
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"first, the Gov't had a great deal to do causing the housing bubble which led to the meltdown."
No it was an unregulated market thanks to bush administration sitting on their fucking hands. There are many fingers to point but it's factually incorrect to say the government caused it all.
I don't care thank most banks didn't want it. They took it iand it kept them from going under.
"bailouts shouldn't have taken place" Everyone agrees it kept us from going over a cliff.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
"according to your fuckass logic, you save a drowning woman, you have the right to fuck her?? "
Where the fuck did you get that logic? You MUST be on crack or drunk or you are just plain fucking stupid. Keep making yourself look like a moron if you want.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
""according to your fuckass logic, you save a drowning woman, you have the right to fuck her?? "
Where the fuck did you get that logic? You MUST be on crack or drunk or you are just plain fucking stupid.
YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE POINT THAT IF THE GOV"T SAVED THEIR JOBS, THEY CAN NOW DICTATE TO THEM
i make the point that saving someone does not give you the right to run rough shod over them
banks often save businesses. does that give them rights to run the lives of employees?
genie0390 2 years ago
@genie0390 The point is that they want the government to stay out of their business and trust them to regulate themselves but then proceed to destroy our economy and cause massive unemployment which affects the lives of man many people. then the government bails them out for completely failing at their job. normally when people screw up that bad on a job they get fired. They make tons of money as it is what are the bonuses for??? A job well done?
sparbaroku 2 years ago
"banks often save businesses. does that give them rights to run the lives of employees?"
It's not taxpayer money. Even after we bailed them out they were very slow to hand out credit to small business which is exactly what we needed to get the economy back on track again.
So they fuck up, we bail them out they won't even open up credit and start paying themselves bonuses again and you think it's ok? Wow you are one stupid blind sheep.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
""banks often save businesses. does that give them rights to run the lives of employees?"
It's not taxpayer money."
for your info deadbeat, the Gov't didn't use taxpayer funds! The TARP funds were borrowed funds, mostly from China and the rest was monetized funds
further, the funds were NOT a gift but rather loans paid back with interest or dividends
according to your asshole logic you apply to banks, China and the ME should be able to dictate our foreign, military and domestic policy
genie0390 2 years ago
good one genie!!
this last reply should shut the ignorant little prick up for good
Ha!!
I win
genie0390 2 years ago
I guess all this hooah over deficit spending was for nothing because the money will fall out of the sky to pay it back! Gee Genie you are so clever thanks for informing everyone they won't ever carry any burden for the nations deficit which is partially there because we had to bailout FAILING BANKS who made this recovery take longer because they didn't OPEN CREDIT when they were given money.
Sarcasm off. See what a dumb cunt you are Genie? Stupid ignorant troll bitch.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
get this straight, deadbeat!!
the banks have already paid the bailout monies back plus interest, so how are they contributing to the national debt?
in any event the tax burden is on productive members of society, including corporations, not on sponges like you
BTW, if you think it's possible for America to pay back its national debt of 12+ trillion and climbing rapidly you're crazy and ignorant
it ain't going to happen by bringing in millions of immigrants and building houses for them
genie0390 2 years ago
You really think I give a fuck what you have to say? You can't debate a moron, you are useless.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
I'm already convinced you're a troll at this point. Useless cunt troll.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
"for your info deadbeat, the Gov't didn't use taxpayer funds! The TARP funds were borrowed funds, mostly from China and the rest was monetized funds"
And who do you think ends up paying for that you idiot? Wow you really are that ignorant.
"further, the funds were NOT a gift but rather loans paid back with interest or dividends"
Yea and the government just shits those loans out when it's time to pay them back. You are SOO fucking stupid it's a joke.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
"And who do you think ends up paying for that you idiot?"
easy, you fucktard, it will be corporations, 3-5% of top money earners, rich people through estate taxes, capital gains etc.,...and
those making the big bonuses! Not guys like you
"Yea and the government just shits those loans out when it's time to pay them back."
just what is it you're trying to say. easy to see endlish composition is not your strong point
BTW, respond to China controlling our policies, my last comment OKIE??
genie0390 2 years ago
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"easy, you fucktard, it will be corporations, 3-5% of top money earners, rich people through estate taxes, capital gains etc.,...and
those making the big bonuses! Not guys like you"
hahahaha no...they don't. You really know nothing about the economy. You sound like someone repeating talking points from a radio show. You are such a weak minded dipshit.
Rich people and corporations are going to pay the deficit back...LOL.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
Cenk for president!
greekmonstervt91 2 years ago
The incumbents should suffer for this mess not because they belong to a certain political party but because they are in a seat, they're the incumbents and responsible for folding like empty milk cartons. The sad thing is that for this coming midterm election 90% of current incumbents will keep their seats. so much for "change"
Gregorio17 2 years ago
the american fed & its banks are the biggest danger to freedom in the world
Caboose3012 2 years ago
It was brilliant to bail out banks wasnt it. Stupid. The bonuses were contractual. They would have won in court. Nothing they could do. Theses bailouts were a joke. Bush-Obama suck
Panchee123 2 years ago
next time they fuck up, dont give them none of my money. sorry bastards.
diah4 2 years ago
Where I'm from, suprisingly the government DIDN'T bail out the banks and regulated the fuck out of banks
The banks here do rely on the success of US banks as that is where A lot of the loans come from so don't fuck shit up
TheFunkyDomination 2 years ago
America needs a reboot... minus the greed virus.
Joxman2k 2 years ago 12
Why is it that we need to pay these guys to keep them in their jobs when everyone else is losing their's?
dEdGrimley 2 years ago
20 is not 20% of 120.
suitg 2 years ago
Young Turks hate Conservatives more than they love America. How sad they are such idiot kool aidd rinking loons, like those of you that agree with them.
cam1126 2 years ago
How can you defend these bonuses? Care to explain?
Mromson 2 years ago
Greedy ass banks.
cne08 2 years ago
yes yes yes dirty busniess aig bad goverment collusion bonuses old news old fucking news someone do something somewhere
narezul 2 years ago
I'd like 2 work 4 a company that gives u a bonus 4 failing hard.
ramone2185 2 years ago
im tired of that damn football fairy crap
bevon17 2 years ago
ronald reagan can fire every air traffic controller in the USA, but we cant get rid of these guys?
MpowerdAPE 2 years ago 4
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"That hole was filled by you and ME". "Taking you and ME for suckers". Grammar loves you.
RichoRosai 2 years ago
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RichoRosai 2 years ago
thank you
doomdart 2 years ago
how can they pay a bonus under bankruptcy? the respective state taxing authorities can come after them. if they went bankrupt that means they are have to pay taxes from the bankruptcy sale of their assets. if they have any money in the coffers it has to go satisfying the monies owed first. there is no legal room for a bonus. HOW CAN THESE BONUSES POSSIBLY BE UNLESS IT IS PRIMA FACIA EVIDENCE OF FUCKING GOD DAMN GOVT CORRUPTION !!! IF THIS WAS ME, THEY WOULD HAVE REAMED ME A NEW ASSHOLE.
paragshah2112 2 years ago
Also, to let you know... When he says "we want to deregulate these companies..." he is purely lying. There are so many misconceptions this guy has.... he should either stop criticizing what he knows nothing about...or become educated on the subject first. Anyone that has watched this video and agreed with him has done themselves an injustice. NOTHING said here is correct. (Not sure if I have stressed that enough) His knowledge on this subject is absolutely nonexistent!
danielharmonizer 2 years ago
your not right they their contracts had a clause in them that got base pay and bonus were to be paided is the company profits where taken out profit.
099923257457 2 years ago
Because they didn't go through any bankruptcy proceedings, the govt cannot stop them from receiving this money. (If they would have filed for bankruptcy, those contracts would have been renegotiated or tossed) When you sign a valid contract, it is legally binding...the govt cannot choose to break a contract in force. (at least not in America, due to the Constitution)
So again, the reason these contracts must be paid is the document is still legally binding. Forget logic...think LAW
danielharmonizer 2 years ago
Okay, if any Americans are watching this...EVERYTHING this guy is saying is wrong & he is spouting a purely authoritarian, non-democratic idealogy!
First, HIS facts: 1. AIG filed bankruptcy
2. discrepancy in numbers
3. AIG contracts. The REAL FACTS:
1. Never filed for bankruptcy
2. the govt also bought shares in the company
3. the contracts are a result of the company not being allowed to go bankrupt. Thus for the corp to not pay them, would be ILLEGAL!
Blame our intelligence!
danielharmonizer 2 years ago
1. Listen here dipshit he didn't say they filed for bankruptcy. He said in effect they were bankrupt because of how much in debt they were.
2. What the fuck does the government buying AIG stock have to do with AIG fudging the numbers of what they got and what they are giving back?
Seems to me that you're the one spouting the bullshit around here. You keep on scrubbing that turd hoping it will turn into something shiny.
dustin8420 2 years ago
1. The word bankruptcy is a legal term, and he DID say they went bankrupt & then went on to compare them to a corp that did file for bankruptcy. HINT: You aren't bankrupt unless you file for it)
2. Stock is ownership in a corp, so that is not money that was borrowed or that should be paid back. If I buy a stock, the corp owes me nothing, but dividends (if app) and voting rights.
You seem angry, but still uninformed. Everything in this video is false and misleading.
danielharmonizer 2 years ago
what do u mean u arent bankrupt if u dont file for it?? If you owe money and u cant pay it back that means your in debt and depending on how much you owe you need to file for bankruptcy
Also it is a known fact that AIG has messed with the numbers to make it seem like they were doing good when in reality they were doing poorly.
The video is just an opinion but dont make it seem like it is all lies because he is well-informaed and has shed light on a few important matters.
Pardon my spelling.
Sephy100 2 years ago
I can understand where you come from, but everything in this video IS wrong. The term bankruptcy ONLY applies when you file for it. (Maybe people say the term all the time, but it is strictly a LEGAL term. It isn't correct when it is applied to ANYONE who hasn't filed.
And about AIG fudging the numbers....it isn't any known fact (at least not publicly) and this wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with what we are talking about.
I understand your disgust, but we are a country of laws...not mobs
danielharmonizer 2 years ago
See now you're just trying to twist shit to fit your story.
dustin8420 2 years ago
This is all general business knowledge. If you don't believe me, please crack any high school business book. You don't have to have a Series 7 license to know this stuff.
danielharmonizer 2 years ago
I never tried to debate the definition of the word bankruptcy. You heard Cenk wrong and made a bullshit point about AIG not filing bankruptcy. You were wrong, it's BLARINGLY obvious you were wrong. Just fucking accept it and move on. You're making yourself look worse here.
dustin8420 2 years ago
Correct! The banks never filed for bankruptcy. The government not only borrowed and gave them the money with little to no terms, they're the ones that went to the banks to borrow them money in the first place, banks never started begging until government suggested the bailouts. The banks are actually forced by the laws government created and those in the constitution to pay those contracts. I understand the outrage as you do, congress really fucked up and now they have no power over the banks.
TheUSMetalhead 2 years ago
Honestly heres what I want to happen..I want the WHOLE FUCKING SYSTEM to collapse, mass layoffs, riots, and mabye just MABYE my fellow Americans, we will learn not to just sit around being f'ed by our government and banks with our thumbs up our asses
tommypickles09 2 years ago 2
my prediction is that you will get your wish.
FaithNoMore1977 2 years ago
mexico was a test like 6 or 7 years ago, the same thing happened, and we're still paying the banks, it will take around 20 more years. it was a test because nothing happened, please americans, for the first time dacle war to the real enemy, you have your 5th amendment, use it wisely
zaurtrien 2 years ago 2
*declare
zaurtrien 2 years ago
I don't care who you are (big or small) company. Bonuses are exactly that, BONUSES! A reward, simple as that. You don't get a reward for running a company into the ground. Bonuses should come from a SURPLUS the company has created. No surplus, no bonus! I personally believe ALL companies that got bail outs should have been required to submit a game plan as to how they will fix the problems with the bail out money and be forced to show they are sticking to the plan by being inspected.
Mysticblue1212 2 years ago 3
You don't get a reward for running a company into the ground. Bonuses should come from a SURPLUS the company has created. No surplus, no bonus!
YOUR A SMART MAN MY FRIEND...KUDOS for using your brain
tommypickles09 2 years ago
Tax any bonuses for executives of bailed out banks at 150%. Fuckem.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago 3
Agreed.
IFloridaMotocrossI 2 years ago
Man I feel like screaming that quote "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore" out the window...
mrx0066600 2 years ago 3
scum.... I can take this. We need to beat these people up. String em up.
mrx0066600 2 years ago 8
I agree, The government is incapable of doing anything to reign AIG in. These people need to have their asses kicked. If we fuck-up a few of them, the rest of the rats will decide it's not worth it and quit screwing us.
menthol5 2 years ago
Christ, I wanna work for AIG. Millions upon millions of bonuses even when you fail at your job! Who do you have to screw to work there?
Evanangelion 2 years ago
It's only the execs lol.
ryderawr 2 years ago
Damn....
Evanangelion 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
hey cenk we live in this thing called THE FREE MARKET and in the free market people are compensated for their services which is why its important we pay these bankers for their talents because their the only ones who can fix the economy that obama and his record breaking taxes caused, so lets get rid of some of these socialist regulations and let the banks get back to making america strong
tehant1liberal 2 years ago
@tehant1liberal are you fucking kidding me? Im astonished at ur reasoning. Either way nothing will seem 2 get resolved. Gov't involvement is as malignant and cancerous as it could possibly b 2 the people. Deep set n corruption everything is fucked, but to actually support the idea that bankers will fix it all. Humanity is naturally evil there is no resolution leaving it up 2 "specialists" they aren't out to fix us! Just themselves. just wow, seriously Can't believe theres people out ther like u
freidenfelt81 2 years ago
You are foolishly misrepresenting the basic idea of a free market economy. These banks are receiving a loan from the government. Imagine buying a house and having a mortgage. Now, imagine at the end of each month having a payment to make. Then, you make a call, and tell the bank, "hey, I've worked really hard this month, and I think I deserve a bit of a break, so I'm only going to pay you 50% of this month's mortgage payment, so that I can use the other 50% and buy something nice for myself".
Shorle 2 years ago
bingo! 100% agreed
mrx0066600 2 years ago
Clearly, this does not make sense, and yet it mirrors quite readily the situation at hand.
Secondarily, don't confuse BONUSES for SALARIES. I am in full agreement with these men and women receiving their originally-allotted SALARIES. BONUSES, on the other hand, are traditionally reserved for rewards that have come about due to outstanding profit within the company.
Make sure you understand the systems properly before making nonsensical claims about "this thing called THE FREE MARKET."
Shorle 2 years ago 2
The "Free Market" you are most likely referring to doesn't exist in any currently given country. It is impossible for any completely Free Market to exist in modern economies without some kind of distortion. The model itself is practically hypothetical.
Not to mention, it doesn't work anyway. This current crisis wasn't caused by a Free Market, but it was caused by a lack of regulation. This lack of such is invented by Free Market ideology, which isn't a working model, in all honesty...
IFloridaMotocrossI 2 years ago
Seriously dude are you trolling, because to say something that stupid your either looking to antagonize people or you watch fox news.
Evanangelion 2 years ago
20 million isn't 20% of 120 million...
MreGSX 2 years ago
It's 20% of 100 million.
IFloridaMotocrossI 2 years ago
No shit.
MreGSX 2 years ago
I hope those guys go to hell
abcd1to 2 years ago
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abcd1to 2 years ago
We rich people would like to thank the conservative, republican, libertarian and objectivist for creating an atmosphere since reagan an atmosphere that allows for us to rob blind the american and world peoples. And most people are too cowardly to actually do anything against us. I love being rich. You keep following Murdocj and his mouthpieces and keep being ditto heads, we thank you for your lack of intelligence, and will that allows to make up the rules and make you believe them to be right
goldgrif 2 years ago 3
Must be nice to be connected through Ivy League old-boy networks. $100 million? $160, 189, 120, pick a number...? It's the Golden Rule in action.
audadvnc 2 years ago
We're no longer "Land of the Free". Instead we're "Land of the Free Market". Or "Land of the Underpaid Corporate Slaves", I haven't decided which one's better yet.
MLadyAzzera 2 years ago 4
AIG is disgusting they all should be thrown in jail.. suddenly regular bank robbers don't seem bad because the real robbers WORK at the corporations. I guess America has turned into a nation of, by, and for the corporate interests.
Ntownsfinest 2 years ago 5
Those guys should be put in jail
acuseme 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I know I'm going to sound like an asshole, but sometimes when I pause the young turks, Cenk has an evil look on his face and reminds me of a terrorist. (I'm a big fan of the show, I just thought I would comment)
johnqpublic81 2 years ago
so if AIG was broke when they owed $182 billion, what does that make the US, if the national debt is over $12 trillion?
sounds like we're wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond broke to me..
so who's gonna bail us out???
elnegrobembon 2 years ago
@elnegrobembon
China.
DoctorCataclysm 2 years ago
I love Cenk's idea to tell them that we are willing to put them in prison for fraud. - However that is suggesting that America is a serious nation and this GD banana republic will never hold a rich person accountable for any reason.
Dahgrostabphri 2 years ago
We had to bail them out though, Cenk.
CapitalistOverlord 2 years ago
It's like tipping a rapist.
EscpdFrmPsykward 2 years ago 6
That's the best way I've heard that put, and I think I'll quote that in discussion on the matter. Awesome.
kjmoon21 2 years ago
Thanks. To be honest, I just ripped it off a cartoon Joe Biden from SuperNews. lol
EscpdFrmPsykward 2 years ago
Where's Obama in all this? Pretending to be upset somewhere?
TillThenPlease 2 years ago
i like that cause in the state of the union address i could tell he was just giving us some ookie cutter bullshit and trying to place blame on republicans instead of growing a pair of balls and saying that he's goona regulate every fucking "big" company until they get their shit together
Sephy100 2 years ago
the banks are using the influence in the government they put in place to insure they get anything they want .. that is why the banking industry invested $5 billion in the last decade to buy congress and get their people appointed to government offices that directly regulate their business dealings
xadam2dudex 2 years ago
Turk should replace Cenk.
a1mint 2 years ago
He's the one who started TYT...can't fire the boss.
checkurself 2 years ago
Put them chapter 11. Then the judge will allow for contract revocation or renegotiation.
tommysch 2 years ago 2
Cenk, don't you get it. The law is to protect the rich. They are the ones running the government. I mean look at the facts. When corporations lose in courts, the results are sealed and somehow the government gives that same company subsidies for something that ends up being the exact amount that was settled on. Or the company changes it's name and still able to get subsidies. The mama and papa businesses don't get anything. It's protectionism of the wealthy and well connected.
checkurself 2 years ago
I think there's a George Orwell quote from Animal Farm that fits this to a T: "Four legs good, two legs better".
One rule for the rich, and another for the middle class and poor.
ScreamingTc 2 years ago
I stopped paying US taxes in 2004, only to come back to Canada and find out, Canadians are paying for the same god damn bail-out.
Pleblian 2 years ago
@Pleblian
It sure isnt as bad up here. We have less unemployed and no banks failing. Because we have a decent regulatory system.
We only bailed the auto industry.
tommysch 2 years ago
"We only bailed the auto industry."
since 2008, we've payed at least $25B to "Canada mortgage and housing corp" a crown corporation to help stabilize the Canadian mortgage market.
And it's not as good as the Canadian media would have us believe either... But thank god we have a much sounder social structure as a safety net, your right.
Canadians need to get rid of this "We're better than Americans" attitude, there's more corruption taking place here then we canuks willing to admit.
Pleblian 2 years ago
true.. didn't ur Prime Minister make it possible for him to stay in office beyond his normal term ? that is very scary if a head of state doesn't leave office when he is suppose to
xadam2dudex 2 years ago
@xadam2dudex
Well... no
We have a Westminster-style parliamentary system as long as the leader of any given party, in this case the conservatives, has support from another, the ndp (New democratic party), he stays the majority, it's called a plural government.
This system is complicated at times because I still don't understand where our elected government starts and the Crown (bureaucracy) ends.
The way I understand it, the queen can still veto bill.
Pleblian 2 years ago
She can, but if she does, shes a goner. And its the queen by proxy. Its the governor general (disposable) who sign the bills in the name of the queen.
Its all still in place because the constitution is extremely hard to modify, mainly because all province can simply veto any major change for whatever reason they see fit.
tommysch 2 years ago
The queen of Canada has more power, then the queen of the united kingdom, by constitutional rule.
Isn't that a bitch?
I've learned allot since I've come back and still learning. One thing that I see as problematic is the crown, and by crown I mean the country's bureaucracies, is absolute. There's no real way to keep them in check i.e. the RCMP is a contractor to the queen and answers only to the her. WTF?
Pleblian 2 years ago
What the fuck are you talking about...
"didn't ur Prime Minister make it possible for him to stay in office beyond his normal term ? "
How about NO?
Its in the constitution, its a 5 year term, and they are a minority anyway. The opposition can call an election within weeks...
Making things up is good as long as nobody with political knowledge happens to read it.
tommysch 2 years ago
Um... Prorogation?
Pleblian 2 years ago
Nobody was trying to call for an election and it is a perfectly constitutional and old option of the prime minister. Nothing new.
tommysch 2 years ago
last yr I thought there was a news story about the prime minister at the objection of many extended his time in office .. but don't get bent out of shape.if it didn't happen.. maybe it was the Governor General
xadam2dudex 2 years ago
stupid superbowl ads...
wtfdoihavetodohere 2 years ago
publish the address and phone numbers of these guys and let the people decide about justice
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theJeremyK 2 years ago
Uhhh @ the corruption! Let's get rid of them all.
imanisankofa 2 years ago
dont give them that much credit... 20 million is only 16% 120M not 20%
dantheLeafsFAN 2 years ago
Evil motherfuckers. Hey Barry, ask your Wall Street cabinet what to do.
Asymmatrix 2 years ago
Put them all in a Federal rape me in the ass prison. LMAO!
adams0960 2 years ago
Rape isn't funny. It is a very serious crime.
ShadowCrashed81 2 years ago
@ShadowCrashed81 It's a quote from the movie "Office Space" you noob.
adams0960 2 years ago
Its still not funny. Rape is serious.
ShadowCrashed81 2 years ago
Rape is only serious if it happens to someone who doesn't deserve it. But in this case I believe that most corporate execs deserve to get fucked in the ass
Sephy100 2 years ago 2
So basically "rape is only bad when it happens to women." You brainwashed feminist.
ShadowCrashed81 2 years ago
no jackass did you not read what i said. Take your head out your ass and pay attention. No one said it wasn't bad but you believe that no one should be raped, well I think someone who fucks with my ability to make money and provide a living for my family and afford to put a roof over my family's head deserves to get raped multiple times. I don't care if it is a man or woman you can't be allowed to play with people's lives like that.
Sephy100 2 years ago
Also how am I a feminist if what i said had nothing to do with women. The only feminist here is you and your argument is shitty, just like your idiotic logic.
Sephy100 2 years ago
Not a feminist. I just don't like having male rape overlooked. Now the subject is closed.
ShadowCrashed81 2 years ago
How retarded do you sound?. I can tell your just some stupid little 13 year old that thinks that everyone deserves equal treatment. I'm also guessing that you don't have a job so keep your idiotic thoughts to yourself. In some cases, Rape is justified. Now the subject is closed, bitch.
Sephy100 2 years ago
I don't have a job because I don't think rape is cool?
ShadowCrashed81 2 years ago
no idiot. My point is that since you dont have a job(assuming u dont) you dont know what its like to have your wages garnished, living from paycheck to paycheck, been fired, not able to afford your house or apartment because of how greedy executives are and how they dont care about ruining people's lives and all they qant is to make a quick buck. think and read before you try to formulate an opinion.
Sephy100 2 years ago
That is your own fault for not being able to pull yourself out. Stop being lazy.
ShadowCrashed81 2 years ago
Your too stupid to participate in this conversation so just stop talking.
Sephy100 2 years ago
>Your
Yes, I'm the dumb one.
ShadowCrashed81 2 years ago
America desperatly needs a socialist labour party,
honestly, get rid of capitalist bigotry and corporate america.
TheProf1988 2 years ago 6
I agree, although I'm more of a social capitalist then a socialist. But America needs a socialist/labor party just so they can catch up to Europe and Canada in terms of social progress.
MassLiberal1 2 years ago 5
Wrong. America needs to throw out ancient laws and get rid of all you morons.
MrMaryJanes 2 years ago
@MassLiberal1
Indeed. The best economy is a mixed one.
Landmarkmoon 2 years ago
democrats and republicans are not stupid, they just could give less of a fuck about what happen just as long as there taken care of.
mosniper831 2 years ago 2
Ever since the bogus congressional investigation, I've been waiting for the media to report that Edward Liddy resigned from the GOLDMAN board of directors to go to AIG. That was just DAYS before Paulson's bailout!
RAMKING61 2 years ago
Cenk you are wrong, you see they did their job, and quite well at that, therefore is only logical for them to get paid.
tubehax 2 years ago
@tubehax
They already have a pay. But the bonuses are not necessary.
Atharkas 2 years ago
What job did they do?
ooMONKEYoo 2 years ago
why do we love big biz???? do we really like grabbing our ankels for them that much
mykmmc 2 years ago
@mykmmc we dont, but our politicians do for obvious reasons.
tubehax 2 years ago
@tubehax but we let them gat away with it we should be out in the streets asking for our money back
mykmmc 2 years ago
The talking point here useless. The $700 billion bail is is the farce. I don't want just that back. I want a percentage of profit on the $28+ trillion given by the fed at no cost to be pumped back into the wall street markets. How do you think they are making those bonuses?
This is also how you get a jobless recovery, and a short term up word spurt in the stocks(artificial).
Hold on to your hats this year folks, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Therighttotruth 2 years ago 2
It may not be perfect but the Scandinavian model of capitalism works so much better. The system would never be accepted wholly by the US but taking some lessons from it would avoid ultra greed destroying the lives of those who helped to accumulate the wealth in the 1st place
fahim113 2 years ago 8
These banksters from Fall street should be hanged! Fuck capitalism!
If we taxed all the billionaires in the US alone, we would surpass the 700 billion dollars used to bailout these motherfuckers!
cerritoboy 2 years ago
Uhh thats not capitalism. Definition:
Capitalism- an economic system in which investment in ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is MADE by private individuals or corporations. The bail out is socialism. "the means of production and distribution of goods are controlled by the government or a collective.
Please don't buy into there belief that capitalism is bad. Free market when left untethered, made the country the richest and innovative in the world.
Therighttotruth 2 years ago
Actually an untethered free market has caused two economic crashes in 1 century. Remember that it was the U.S.A. that led the world into the Great Depression & Recession. Some regulation is required. Also, the U.S.A. is not the richest country in the world.
falcon45ca 2 years ago 4
Read "Meltdown" by Tom Wood, and you will find out more about the Great Depression and the Depression of the 20s. The difference was; the Great Depression was planned and carried out and then sustained for 15 years because of government interference.
The USA was, I repeat was the richest. Not only that we had more inventions and cutting edge industry way earlier than any other country.
Now, put down your big mac, filter your water, and forget about your public school indoctrination.
Therighttotruth 2 years ago
AIG trolling again i see
digitalpunk626 2 years ago
That's though love economics for you, love for the richest and tough for the rest.
phantomofmyopera 2 years ago
I'm so tired of hearing about AIG. I would love it if the next time I hear "AIG" it would be followed by "Is completely DONE and is currently in liquidation".
FYI the head of AIG Financial Division, who brought the company down currently lives in the UK. All that money he made, and continues to make is "Trickling Down" in a foreign country.
fret2424 2 years ago
The fact that no one is arrested yet... its just SICK...
BioCapsule 2 years ago 4
You've been punked
=-)
Whatcha Gonna Do Punk
oicub2 2 years ago
O was Big Finances top recipient in 08 to the tune of $40 million. Might explain
why 12 months later there has been virtually nothing done to reign in Wall St's excesses.
RomeoMD25 2 years ago
in australia the banks behave. i think we have different campain donation laws
celestialsalamander 2 years ago
The rich boys like rush limbaugh and his FUCKING DITTOHEADS are easy to oppose and discount but part of them of your/our best friends.
A snake like limbaugh has stole the minds of our countrymen to make them vote against themselves.
I cannot even contain my hate for that fat little rich boy in one comment.
I hate rush like the sun must do down and darkness reign.
BUT FuCk YoU Rush!!!
For we are not defeated We are the American people.
HulkSmashPunyHumans 2 years ago
And many times we have crawled forward when the bombs were raining down.
Many times we have adapted and overcome.
Many times we have proven our words by our actions.
Many times and many times more we prove our invicible core.
We are the American people and our strength is just like before.
HulkSmashPunyHumans 2 years ago
Cenk, it's been a long time since you played the 'They will do!' audio clip. Could you bring that back? That's the best. 'They will do!'
dookdawg214 2 years ago
Palin would want a cut of the action.
larrygentry 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
We need Sarah Palin as President for she will put AIG in its place and ensure that its CEOs does not take bonuses out of taxpayer money! If she catches them cheating on the people, she will UNLEASH the WRATH OF GOD onto the CEOs and EXPOSE their CIRCUMCIZED PUSSIES for the WHOLE WORLD TO SEE and DESTROY AIG to the GROUND just like Jesus destroyed the temple!
ecwaufisxtreme 2 years ago
@ecwaufisxtreme Sarcasm?? I hope.
diginando 2 years ago
It does'nt matter, So what if ecwaufisxtreme is sacasm?
ARE YOU WILLING TO FIGHT BACK?
Are you willing to die?
I am
The shadows of those willing to stand in defiance grows longer.
We are the American People and We have fought through many traps many times before.
HulkSmashPunyHumans 2 years ago
Uhmm. Fight back for what?
Some dillutional ideal thown out by an Alaskan village idiot? Really??
Willing to die for such rhetoric?
Then I'll quotet Gen. Patton when he said. "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other
bastard die for his.
No poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making
other bastards die for their country"
diginando 2 years ago