What's sad about this video is the subtext of defending linear based W2 employment as the only legitimate business model and any notion of a multi tiered/commission sales organiation is a pyramid scheme. There are mainstream examples like financial and realestate brokerages that employ a multi tiered sales structure which in essence is the MLM business model.
I never defended W2 based employment, nor was that the point of the video. I explained the difference between W2 and MLM. That I was "defending" it is part of your projection bias and your creation, not mine.
The inability to see past your own nose is precisely what makes MLM work, so you're probably int he right business :)
@malignantpoodle Oh please spare me the pseudo intellectual posturing. When I wrote, "this video" I was referring to the video and the posts contained there within. Your posted rebuttles illistrate the subtext I was referring to. So I do believe there was a "projection bias" but not from me :)
Oh, so you meant something else other than what you said and we're just supposed to read your mind? I get it...
That or you're talking out of your ass and backtracking. "This video" means the video, not "the subcontext of posts contained there within". If you have a bone to pick with the author of a post, direct your comments there.
I have a friend who I am trying to convince to get out of what I think is a pyramid scheme. They push the "income" like crazy like you said and do not really talk about job description much, but their product is very well marketed. They have a lot of material describing it, and it actually sounds pretty good. It's a supplement that claims to give you an antioxidant that our bodies naturally make, but we need more of. I know a few people using it and they swear by it. It's Max1. Your thoughts?
@Hectoralana3 Well, You have to look at it from a business POV. Are there other products that do essentially the same thing? Can U find it on eBay? If 'Yes' It's not worth the effort. If 'No", run with it until the competition steps up. Does the comp plan offer decent residuals, and a good possibility of having long term consumers? These are all things to think about.
However: Many contractor jobs require investment or expenses. The company may LEGALLY charge you to use their name, resources, get fingerprinted, etc. People unfamiliar with 1099 work often make this mistake. You're not an employee of the company, they pay you for whatever work you're contracted to do.
Do your homework and ask questions. Legal opportunities are always open books. This is the biggest and most vital point he makes here.
In reality not everyone will join a network marketing business. People like yourself has issues about it like people had issues with Franchises when it started. This type of business has been to court and the outcome came in favor network marketing. just because you think it's not a legit business doesn't mean it isn't.
@lifeforce218 great point, companies have spents millions of dollars reaseaching analyzing, and investigating network marketing..the points he is tryin to make are not new or unique, they have been brought up countless times..i really dont htink this guy can say with a straight face that somehow he has more understanding on the constructs of business than the poeple who;s job it was to look into network marketing with the intention of tryin to dicredit ot or prove it was a scam
A Flaw in your pyramid and the population. According to the census report a baby is born every 8 Second, International Migrants every 16 seconds and deaths every 12 seconds. Net gain in the country is every 16 Seconds. Going of births there are a lot of kids turning 18 everyday. If every iligible being was in a network marking the cycle would continue.
@malignantpoodle A lot of people believe that all network marketing businesses are schemes that is not true. I have one person who has 45 people and all 45 have people. She will make more than me. What I'm getting at is this is an equal opportunity business and that is the truth.
I believe what this guy said about the person on top gets all the money is pointless. Take a look at a traditional big business who most people work for. If a big business closes their doors who get all the money that you worked hard to make money for? The people or person on top does and the employee's no longer have a job.
Yeah, the difference though is that a traditional job promises and makes good on a certain amount of money for a certain amount of labor.
A pyramid scheme promises things that they cannot and will not deliver.
Money is funneled to the top in both symptoms. This much is true. But people agree to and receive pay in traditional work, whereas they sign on and put money into a pyramid based on lies about the return.
@malignantpoodle Well, the REAL difference is that in Pyramid scheme, you pay the individual who promotes the thing to you, and people you bring in will pay you. Legitimate business pays employees and investors, while illegal pyramid schemes NEVER funnel money back down to those involved.
Essentially, Legal = money paid up, and percentages paid down (This is employee and contractor work). Illegal = money paid up, and that's it.
@malignantpoodle one can say a job structure is flawed as well..people are paid by postion, not by production in most cases, so essentially a situation could arise where 1 employee works his but off, shows dedication, and earns 30k per yr, another employee, same poistion as the first, does everything half assed, does enuff to get the job done and stay employeed, but shows no dedication, but still makes 30k per year.we have all been in a similar situation,
I don't contest the notion that there is a problem with the organization of wage labor. MLM, network marketing, pyramids in other words are not an alternative and people lose more than they do working.
In network marketing the lowest guy pays up. In a job, the highest pays down.
@malignantpoodle some companies may work that way, like i mentioed, i dont know how every MLM works so i cannot and willnot comment on a mlm company that im not aware of..everyone recruits, college teams must recruit cause loss of players is certain, military aggresivly recruits, cause loss of people is certain, weather it be from death or various reasons, even jobs recruits, due to the fact that the average employee only spends 5 yrs at at job, if a company only pushes for
I don't have a problem with recruitment. I have a problem with the fact that you pay them, they don't pay you.
The only way to make money in an MLM is if you cause someone else to be out money. It goes on down the chain like this until you have an unsustainable number of people that cannot or will not be paid anything at all having invested in recruiting suckers to try and get them to make the same mistakes they did.
@malignantpoodle recuitment without discussing what product is bein sold, and is overly pushy with the approach even tho no need for the service or opportunity has been established, then they are doin things the wrong way and i could see why there would be a negative stigma..it would be the equivilant toapproaching a beautifull woman and just asking for her number, w/o finding out if she is single, or even straight, and no dialoge(not sure how to spell that) to indiacte interest
You can go on and on and on about all the things wrong with our current system, most of which I won't disagree with. It won't change the fact that pyramids are a joke, unsustainable, and yes everyone except the people at the top lose their ass.
It's like the whole, "you're with us or with the terrorists" mentality to think that MLM has some kind of virtue simply because labor is flawed in this country.
@malignantpoodle sounds like you are running out of steam there, the ignorance you display on this type of business model is staggering..you keep tryin to state so called "facts"..if you think that about that about MLM industry, thats fine, thats your opinion, but dont waste time makin a YT video about something you know very little about, then try to pass it off as true and factual like you have some genius business sense...
If you were right, you'd be out working the idea rather than going around YT trying to sell it to others. I see your activity consists of nothing more than trying to convince people that MLM works so well. If it did, the programs wouldn't need lapdogs like yourself going around trying to convince people otherwise.
And I'll make videos about whatever the fuck I want, see? You came to me, I didn't go to you. If you don't like it, gtfo.
@malignantpoodle that seems really flawed to me, and extremely unfair..it is possible for an emplyee to do all that is expected from them and more, and still not get a raise or promotion..cause with the guarentee of a paycheck, they give up control over their time and income..only in a job structure does it make sense to reward half assed effort and dedication on the same level..people want what a job by itslef can never give, more control of their time, and more money
now that guarantee is a way of not doing business the right way. Those who say so, make it a bad name. Can't gaurantee you results but it applies in life too. can't gurantee you that you will get that job or that raise. Are you aware of Maslow's Hierarchy of needs? Life IS a pyramid.
@M1tchellw no, your wrong, life is not a pyramid. in real life you can get a job, maybe a promotion and good pay if your not lazy. at least with jobs you get real money and honest money. if you are a hard worker, go to college, you will get results. sure in a bad economy its different for SOME people. but overall the economy is not forever crappy and jobs pay off well. you can smtims be guarntd to get promoted and get a pay raise. its called staying at the job and not ripping others off.
@ericwaffle31 you sound really disillusioned, so let me get this straight, you say real life, is goin to school, then beggin someone to give you a jnob and let you work for them, then lettin them dictate your pay, thus your lifestyle, then if you kiss enuff ass you might get a promotion, to make a lil bit more money, put in your 40 + yrs of work, and then maybe get to retire????..you can keep your "real life"
@carsonc29 ur weird lol. get rich quick skemes dont do shit. they are all a scam. the only way to earn money is by working and yes u have to do it 30 + years. the body was meant to work to keep it busy and mentally busy. no one wants to retire at 30
@ericwaffle31 wow, im weird lol...so a person HAS to work 30 + years, and remeind me what manual that is written in again that says its required to work that long..and your right,get rich quick schemes are a scam,but a business that you have to work at to become successfull is not...i bout fell out my seat laughing when i read that last line "noone wants to retire at 30"..did you sniff some paint as you was writing that, you must be someone older in age to say that, or with an old
@ericwaffle31 mindset..im betting if i go outsit right now and poll 100 people and give them option A.work for 30+ years and maybe afford to retire or B. retire at 30 and never have to worry bout money again, i am supremely confident every person will choose option B
@ericwaffle31 your assuming that if a person could retire at 30 all they are gonna do is lounge around the rest of their life and not do anything, just cause a person could retire at a young age does not mean they stop working, they just have the luxury of no longer have to work for money..and i would dare to say alot of the younger generation thinks this way as well since they have seen their parents work 30+ years and always worry bout money, always stressed..they dont want that
i like how the man in this video said - greedy or desperate. that is so true. sometimes its both combined. i have met some people, former high school classmates, former friends, former neighbors who never went to a 4 yr college and were desperate to make it big, to make their dreams come true. they didnt make much money, but were still greedy because they were lured into by money and actually gullible enough to think they can "win" and eventually outrank others when they make it big. lol.
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These people are nothing but Nay sayers and negative nancy's. But hey, everyone in the world is different. It depends on what YOU want in life.
@M1tchellw I didn't remove your post, I never remove posts, dunno how that happened.
To respond; whether or not a job is a fair trade is another matter. An employee agrees to perform X for X amount of pay. Do the work, get the money. Pyramid schemes promise things they never deliver, are vague about work to be done, and require the employee to PAY the employer. Total crap dude.
@malignantpoodle in most network marketing you sign as IBA, individual business app, meaning you can right certain things off on your taxes, as with ANY business, weather you are opening a mcdonalds, or your own start up business, it requires an investment..not all MLMs are legit or profitable, but some are very helpfull to people and are quit legit...to say that all MLMs promise and dont deliver is very inaccurate, the same can be said about a job, people are always bein laid
@malignantpoodle off due to factors outside their control, their job may have guareteed them cerain pay for certain hours, but cannot not guarentee they will have a job past a certain time
I can write off things associated with my work as well. Travel, moving, or associated expenses involved with performing my job. A pyramid doesn't guarantee employment either.
If I want to "invest" in a business as you say, I can easily do that in the stock market or through mutual funds where there is regulation, oversight, and some legal protections. I can also write off losses.
Beside the point tho, working a job, people don't lose thousands like in MLM.
@malignantpoodle you keep using the word pyramid, look up the actual defintion of the word, it doesnt mean what you think means??i never said a network marketing company offers employment, that would classiy it as a job?losing thousands???ive never heard of any MLM that cost thousands to get into, and if there was one where it costs that much i wouldnt get into it either
Right, because they are pyramids. MLM and network marketing functions exactly like that. They keep rebranding themselves and altering the internal dynamics but the way it works is exactly the same.
You really should watch part 2 where the guy on the phone basically admits that the products offered is just a front for recruitment and that you can't make money off of selling products for the company, only recruiting more people.
Now, please also comment gambling, banking systems with their loan structure, charity campains and churches. Be fair. Difference between alcohol and marijuana is just one is legal another is not, but doesn't mean marijuana is worse than alcohol or tobacco.
With gambling, banking, and loans the terms and conditions are laid out up front. If I take out a loan, I know the interest rate and I get the money up front. With gambling I understand that I'm risking (at a disadvantage) a chance to win something, and I'm also fully aware that I may lose my investment. Pyramid schemes REQUIRE loss on the part of participants all the while promising exuberant returns which have no chance of happening.
@malignantpoodle I guess pyramids are no worst than gambling. Casino house REQUIRES someone to loose. Sure you are aware of that and when you join pyramid you are also aware of possible loss. What is the difference. In fact you still can gain some profit. Bank loans - banks give you money from amount they don't have. Banking system is very cheeky if you know what I mean. They are the cause of inflation in economy. I never take any loans or give them credit card intress.
Right, casinos require someone to lose. They do not require everyone to lose, nor do they make patrons work on the side. Also, some people actually win at casinos.
Banks and the credit system are nothing something I claim to support, but saying that they're the same as pyramid schemes only that one is legal and one isn't is far disconnected from reality and rather ignorant.
@malignantpoodle Pyramids same as many financial systems can be developed stupidly and wisely. it can be just fun game or total disaster in hands of greedy assholes. Lot of systems are based on pyramid structure, just they have different rules. Again - it is yoru choice to join or not. If you someone is annoyed with those friendly approaching people - they are also in insurance companies, charity, churches. So what is the guideline?
It's obvious that you don't have a good grasp on how a pyramid scheme works. It lures people in with the promise of wealth, has them giving up a good chunk of money, with no chance for return. People join on the premise that they will strike it rich. This cannot be said for people giving to charities and churches. Pyramids are dishonest in nature in an attempt to swindle people on of cash on false promises and hopes.
@malignantpoodle Well, it;s obvious that you don't really know much on pyramids. All you know is this is bad as masturbation at age 14. Churches and charities suck money from naive people like vampires where surely noone wins. It is nice that you making videos, but really don't make yourself look like upset little boy who hates something around and can not help with it.
I obviously know more about it than you if you think that a charity is the same as pyramid that offers exuberant cash returns. It's fucking ridiculous. Also, someone that thinks that the only difference between alcohol and marijuana is that one is legal and one isn't is a fucking tard.
@malignantpoodle Wellm if our conversation goes this way, who is f-tard and "obviously you know more than me" it is obvious that you have some personality problems. maybe your mom refused to feed you with tit or something or you had no normal friends when you were kid. Sad that we still have those kind of people in our society.
right, you have to take it there because the argument that you make is so willfully ignorant are demonstrably false that you've got to try something else now.
@malignantpoodle you do realize its alot of people who have made millions, who are not the founders, or owners of the MLM..you sound ignorant making assumptions that everyone loses money..for some MLMs that nay be true, i am not aware of all that are out there, only a few.
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barking up the wrong tree. It's not how much it costs to start a business, it's how the business generates revenue and whether or not that model is sustainable.
So school districts in the state of ohio are a scam? All the ones in southwest ohio require applicants to pay for there own background checks and state appointment fees (approximately $135).
Maybe I am just confused...give me an example of a pyramid scheme.
I didn't say they were a scam. I said it wasn't normal.
And paying for a background check is hardly comparable to an MLM scheme where the only money coming in is from the "employees" where the business model and source of income is recruitment.
Paying for a background check one time isn't even in the same universe.
@malignantpoodle Tell em. Primerica is a one of these scheme. They want peolple to pay into licensing and many of these folks don't know what their specificaly sigining up for.
@runhorun so payin a fee to take classes that help prepare you to get professional acredited licenses is bad????? so why do people have to pay to get inot med school, why not just give people medical licenses?, payin a small fee to get a life insurance license, even gettin a secuties license to market investment products, thats bad??? scams typically dont make it as high as wall street, im assuming the SEC, BBB, wallstreet and other investors who invested millions into the compmnay
@runhorun probably know ALOT more about business than you ever could, probably have a much sharper understanding on weather a business is real or profitable..you sound like you have done no research whatsoever, just strong opinions based on misunderstandings, and your tryin to pass them off as "facts"..
If they cant write a book on molesting children, then a book will be published on anything. I still think you are a bit unclear on exactly what a pyramid might be because you making recruiting sound like an indicator of a scam.
Legitimate employers do ask to put down money to be employed there. How about all employers who ask for degrees? What about when a school asks a teacher to pay for their own background check before they can even apply there.
An employer that requires an educated position requires a degree because there are standards of employment and a requirement for knowledge or training for a specialized field. When people buy an education, that goes to the educational institution in exchange for a service. It does not go to the employer. Paying for one's own bg check is not normal.
With MLM (pyramids), the advertisement is the product, the "employees" are the customers.
I really think your retarded....really... and probably a lifeless militia follower. My company dose offer direct sales as well as recruitment, i'm telling you I have 6000 agents and 44,000 customers in almost 5 years, if my agent can't or won't BE THE customer I dont care we-still- enroll-customers.....but I understand your dumbness, your on the wrong side of business, you simply make others wealthy period.... I'm done communicating with people trapped in the matrix...good by... whew
I think we have a misunderstaning about employee's and business owners. In life you have two choices 1- work for someone, 2- someone works for you, that's it and that's ok, the people that succeed in networking succeeds in mostly everything they do, I'm speaking from my personal experience and of those in my field. btw I'm an licensed energy broker and i get paid to lower the rates for commercial and residential customers. I dont care if someone joins me or not Im getting paid for the energy us
Now you're going to tell me you work in a licensed field while poo-pooing all other licensed professions? hehe
In any case, if you get nothing if someone signs up, and you're just based in sales, what does that have to do with MLM?
You make no sense which is likely explained to you being intellectually dishonest. You first try to defend MLMs, discredit licensed professions, then turn around and claim you aren't in an MLM and you're licensed :)
@malignantpoodle your dumb argument is pyramid schemes force their reps to by the products, and i'm telling you that aint true, and as far as pooing on licensed professions is concerned which is even more retarded, what you could'nt comprehend was that they to must spend money before they make money. I never said I get nonthing if someone comes in the business(now I really know your argument is baseless....you can't comprehend)
@malignantpoodle I'll use your words...the lack of support for some beliefs does not in and of itself make it invalid. No my company is still here and kicking ass, how about you? who are you making rich?
@thepowergroup exactally..it takes alot of money for a company to advertise on tv, radio, newspaper, magazines,billboards ect....they have a marketing budget..they simply add that into the cost of the product that they are selling
Why is it ok for McDonald's to start a business, become successful, allow investors to buy-in for $1mil+ run the business and have to pay the Kroc Corparation 15+%, and the same goes for Century21, But its not ok for the average "Joe" to start a business and get paid commissions if someone else decide's to join him for a small investment. Most people fail at everything but when its MLM its a scheme?
Because with a legitimate business like those mentioned, they pay people for labor and deliver a product or service to a consumer. With an MLM, the employees are the consumers.
Even worse, they don't make a real product or offer a real service. The advertisement is the product. This is without even considering that commission structure of an MLM is not maintainable and almost everyone that joins loses everything they put into it.
@malignantpoodle I dont think you understand not all companies require the agent to buy the stuff, and i agree those BS companies that have "self consumption" people should run like a storm from, but I'm here to tell you what I do dosent matter whether the agent uses the product, service or not we're still paid comm. for the customer consuming the commodity
You sell the "opportunity" to someone else and make a commission. That doesn't work and is unsustainable. The employee is the customer, the advertisement is the product.
For someone that thinks doctors and real estate agents are "idiots" your argument isn't very convincing, especially considering that they make a shitload more cash than people in MLM ever will. While they rake in the money, you're on the web trying to convince people that your business is even legitimate.
@malignantpoodle I challenge you to bring me anyone, and let's compare 1099's I promise I will come through...but ofcourse you won't, btw I live in Dallas Tx.....bring it!!! this is easy.
You do realize that a 1099 is used to report income other than wages, tips, or salaries right? If you're filing a 1099, it's because you're making shit.
And I'm a professional poker player, trust me, you don't even come close.
@malignantpoodle your really really did I say really dumb. A 1099 is a statement of money paid to someone for work rendered.....dumb ass my company reports to the IRS the income they paid me.....really did I mentioned dumb.....WOW you need to keep playing poker maybe your better at that than reading.
Actually, a 1099 is, "Form 1099 is a form promulgated by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and is used in the United States income tax system to prepare and file an information return to report various types of income other than wages, salaries, and tips"
You know who use 1099s? People on Social Security and those doing contract labor.
@malignantpoodle I used to be an account manager back in the day with Dr. Pepper Bottling and they told us if we were ever SEEN with a competitor's product being consumed we'd get fired right away. That sounds like the employees are the customers.
First, medical, real estate agents, appraisers, vehicle inspectors (required in Texas for epa) and many other profession had to invest in licenses, and many other on-going expense to start and run a BUSINESS!! not a job, oh and btw jobber's also incur expenses for gas, food, and clothing for which non of those things are re-embursed or tax deductable. I'm personally in a business where its about sales, and we sell way more than recruit as a matter of fact my team finds it extreamly easier to se
When someone is in a licensed profession, that money goes to the state licensing agency. It's for the purpose of accountability and regulation. That's so that not just anyone becomes a doctor (someone you called an idiot), and not just anyone can draw up a deed and sell land.
with an MLM, you get none of that. the money doesn't go to regulation or securing the integrity of those performing the service.
This is video if from someone who is total slave, I mean it cost money to get real estate license, medical license, car inspectors license, cosmetology license, etc. Everything is sold by and to someone, why would an idiot want to start a business without selling something? The real scheme is coming from the person that has you working to death literally without a stake in the profits. Talk to someone who is where you want to be, instead of ignorant talking heads who are mad because they fail a
So people with real estate and medical licenses are idiots? What is a car inspectors license?
People like you involved with MLM are the real slaves. Gotta go out, beg people to sign up, and keep trying to convince others that the bullshit you bought into is right for them. Instead of telling your neighbor, "man I got railed, look at this business opportunity crap", you go and try to get them to buy it instead.
Now that takes a special kind of loser asshole to pull off!
Research, w/ worldwide feedback, says that the more a person invests in an MLM the more they lose – which is true of any scam. Committed MLM participants may invest thousands, and even tens of thousands of dollars, over years before running out of cash or giving up. In legitimate companies, sales reps are not asked to buy inventory or monthly purchases. But in MLM, incentivized purchases are merely disguised or laundered investments in a product-based pyramid scheme.
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Every company is a pyramid scheme....Is there not a president in every company? Then after that there are more Vice Presidents than Presidents.... Then there are even more Board of Directors.....then below them are more regional managers ...then you have your store managers/asst. managers.....then you have the bottom of the corporate pyramid where the majority of us are...the lowly employee..... Figure it out people, everything is a pyramid!!
While profits are still funneled to the top, the stark difference is that money is made by selling a real product or service which is in demand, not by recruiting more people. furthermore, one doesn't pay money to be employed, and that money is the income for the pyramid scheme. That pyramid schemes and legitimate businesses both have a hierarchy does not make them the same in how they work.
@malignantpoodle Do you like Televangelist? What is a Svengali?? What law says that you have to pay taxes smarty pants?? You pay taxes because you are afraid. There is no law. Go find the law and get back to me. Specifically the law that says I have to pay income tax.
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
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Compare with a regular company, we would be hired without putting any investment. Plus there is accountability and legality. No soliciting for money. No sales. That's up to the sales people and workers.
All scams work by exploiting one of the 7 Deadly Sins. A Pyramid scheme exploits the greed (as well as sloth) in the victims, Romance scams exploit lust, False charity scams exploit pride, the Beijing tea scam and the Melon drop Scam exploit gluttony, Communism (yes i think it can be called a scam) exploits envy etc....
Has little to do with 7 sins. What about desperation? Need? Motivation? Curiosity? Are these sins? Sometimes they exploit the needy, desperate, or curious.
The communism scam exploits envy... that's a ridiculous argument.
@malignantpoodle: Need, Motivation, Curiosity and desperation might get you to look at such scams but they alone wouldn't get you to fall for them.
As for Communism: can you honestly tell me after having red the Manifesto of the Communist Party by Karl Marx that it doesn't prey on people's jealousy?
Oh and by the way, i am not trying to push Christianity here... I hope you don't think that. I am not even Christian - i was just using a Christian concept to explain scams.
Most people that fall for scams do so out of curiosity and desperation. As a matter of fact, most scams are tailored for the curious and desperate.
The Communist Manifesto hardly attracts the greedy. As a matter of fact, the system it opposes is one where the people, the rich fat cats at the top take everything. Marx's solution is to have the ownership of production in the hands of the laborer. It is the antithesis of greed.
@malignantpoodle: I didn't say it preys on the greedy, i said it preys on the envious and jealous. But yeah maybe the greedy too. Marx solution is a scam to lure you in, cause what he promises you is impossible to achieve just like in a scam. But of course it's even worse, cause he wants you to steal and kill for him.
@malignantpoodle ...and it never works.The power is consolidated by the elite class and the masses enslaved and controlled in communist countries.Marx was a zionist jew and commissioned by zionist bankers to write the communist manifesto.The theory itself sounds utopian, but never enacted in this manner. It's always about control and it's easier to consolidate power in these types of societies. Lenin and Stalin don't exactly inspire me as leaders. Great video on pyramid schemes, I learned a lot.
The fact that your understanding of communism has to do with pointing to those that did nothing in the Communist Manifesto, and then citing Marx as the cause means that it would be a part time job for me to educate you on the subject of Communism which I'm not interested in doing, nor interested in debating with someone that has obviously passed judgment before doing any real research on the subject.
@chriscr123 Nixon, Bush, Harding, Wilson, Reagan and whoever else you can mention were establishment puppets doing the bidding of the real controllers. My whole point about the communist manifesto was that the theory behind it sounds utopian, but it has never been put into practice. That was apparently lost on you. That perfect society that communism and marxism purports has never come to fruition. I'm not interested in debating you either as you didn't even read what I said to begin with.
This is an awesome video. Thanks for doing everyone a public service. I find an effective way to convey the problem with mlm is to ask them, "If you're gonna be paid so much, who do you supposed is doing the paying?" The answer to this should be "My Downlines." Oh wait a minute....that downline....is you.
i dnt go 4 elderly or disabled u need 2 b shot i go 4 mlmers ppl that kno wat they doin u clearly dnt y did u even bother makin this vid COS U LOST UR MONEY N DNT KNO HOW TO MARKET EVERY TING IS A PYRAMID SCHEME THE PYRAMID OF LIFE N U AT THE BOTTOM
the only way you can loose out if you do it is by not reffering any people yourself lots of most people get away with alot of money add me on skype for more info.
@mattsk89 You're going to have to continually spend money in a pyramid. Everyone MLM requires you to keep buying a "product", usually on a monthly basis. Continuous cash flow is necessary, and not just from the new members of the pyramid.
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Great vid, sensible arguments. I would however note that most MLM scams keep their initial investment under $500 in order to stay under the FTC's radar, and the real money is made over time while the scheme keeps "motivating" participants to "build their businesses".
What's sad about this video is the subtext of defending linear based W2 employment as the only legitimate business model and any notion of a multi tiered/commission sales organiation is a pyramid scheme. There are mainstream examples like financial and realestate brokerages that employ a multi tiered sales structure which in essence is the MLM business model.
gopassion71 2 weeks ago
@gopassion71
I never defended W2 based employment, nor was that the point of the video. I explained the difference between W2 and MLM. That I was "defending" it is part of your projection bias and your creation, not mine.
The inability to see past your own nose is precisely what makes MLM work, so you're probably int he right business :)
malignantpoodle 2 weeks ago
@malignantpoodle Oh please spare me the pseudo intellectual posturing. When I wrote, "this video" I was referring to the video and the posts contained there within. Your posted rebuttles illistrate the subtext I was referring to. So I do believe there was a "projection bias" but not from me :)
gopassion71 2 weeks ago
@gopassion71
Oh, so you meant something else other than what you said and we're just supposed to read your mind? I get it...
That or you're talking out of your ass and backtracking. "This video" means the video, not "the subcontext of posts contained there within". If you have a bone to pick with the author of a post, direct your comments there.
malignantpoodle 2 weeks ago
I have a friend who I am trying to convince to get out of what I think is a pyramid scheme. They push the "income" like crazy like you said and do not really talk about job description much, but their product is very well marketed. They have a lot of material describing it, and it actually sounds pretty good. It's a supplement that claims to give you an antioxidant that our bodies naturally make, but we need more of. I know a few people using it and they swear by it. It's Max1. Your thoughts?
Hectoralana3 1 month ago
@Hectoralana3
If the product is successful there is no need to offer people ridiculous amounts of money to sell it.
malignantpoodle 1 month ago
@Hectoralana3 Well, You have to look at it from a business POV. Are there other products that do essentially the same thing? Can U find it on eBay? If 'Yes' It's not worth the effort. If 'No", run with it until the competition steps up. Does the comp plan offer decent residuals, and a good possibility of having long term consumers? These are all things to think about.
vinieD 3 weeks ago
I agree with everything said here. Great vid!
However: Many contractor jobs require investment or expenses. The company may LEGALLY charge you to use their name, resources, get fingerprinted, etc. People unfamiliar with 1099 work often make this mistake. You're not an employee of the company, they pay you for whatever work you're contracted to do.
Do your homework and ask questions. Legal opportunities are always open books. This is the biggest and most vital point he makes here.
vinieD 1 month ago
I see competative inhibition with Advocare likewise.
PandoraLeigh 1 month ago
This is a great video. Thanks a lot. You explained things in a very clear & nice way.
Thanks again.
snsr6 2 months ago
In reality not everyone will join a network marketing business. People like yourself has issues about it like people had issues with Franchises when it started. This type of business has been to court and the outcome came in favor network marketing. just because you think it's not a legit business doesn't mean it isn't.
lifeforce218 2 months ago
@lifeforce218 great point, companies have spents millions of dollars reaseaching analyzing, and investigating network marketing..the points he is tryin to make are not new or unique, they have been brought up countless times..i really dont htink this guy can say with a straight face that somehow he has more understanding on the constructs of business than the poeple who;s job it was to look into network marketing with the intention of tryin to dicredit ot or prove it was a scam
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
A Flaw in your pyramid and the population. According to the census report a baby is born every 8 Second, International Migrants every 16 seconds and deaths every 12 seconds. Net gain in the country is every 16 Seconds. Going of births there are a lot of kids turning 18 everyday. If every iligible being was in a network marking the cycle would continue.
lifeforce218 2 months ago
@malignantpoodle A lot of people believe that all network marketing businesses are schemes that is not true. I have one person who has 45 people and all 45 have people. She will make more than me. What I'm getting at is this is an equal opportunity business and that is the truth.
lifeforce218 2 months ago
I believe what this guy said about the person on top gets all the money is pointless. Take a look at a traditional big business who most people work for. If a big business closes their doors who get all the money that you worked hard to make money for? The people or person on top does and the employee's no longer have a job.
lifeforce218 3 months ago
@lifeforce218
Yeah, the difference though is that a traditional job promises and makes good on a certain amount of money for a certain amount of labor.
A pyramid scheme promises things that they cannot and will not deliver.
Money is funneled to the top in both symptoms. This much is true. But people agree to and receive pay in traditional work, whereas they sign on and put money into a pyramid based on lies about the return.
malignantpoodle 3 months ago
@malignantpoodle Well, the REAL difference is that in Pyramid scheme, you pay the individual who promotes the thing to you, and people you bring in will pay you. Legitimate business pays employees and investors, while illegal pyramid schemes NEVER funnel money back down to those involved.
Essentially, Legal = money paid up, and percentages paid down (This is employee and contractor work). Illegal = money paid up, and that's it.
vinieD 1 month ago
@vinieD thats a very accurate description
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
@malignantpoodle one can say a job structure is flawed as well..people are paid by postion, not by production in most cases, so essentially a situation could arise where 1 employee works his but off, shows dedication, and earns 30k per yr, another employee, same poistion as the first, does everything half assed, does enuff to get the job done and stay employeed, but shows no dedication, but still makes 30k per year.we have all been in a similar situation,
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
@carsonc29
I don't contest the notion that there is a problem with the organization of wage labor. MLM, network marketing, pyramids in other words are not an alternative and people lose more than they do working.
In network marketing the lowest guy pays up. In a job, the highest pays down.
malignantpoodle 4 weeks ago
@malignantpoodle some companies may work that way, like i mentioed, i dont know how every MLM works so i cannot and willnot comment on a mlm company that im not aware of..everyone recruits, college teams must recruit cause loss of players is certain, military aggresivly recruits, cause loss of people is certain, weather it be from death or various reasons, even jobs recruits, due to the fact that the average employee only spends 5 yrs at at job, if a company only pushes for
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
@carsonc29
I don't have a problem with recruitment. I have a problem with the fact that you pay them, they don't pay you.
The only way to make money in an MLM is if you cause someone else to be out money. It goes on down the chain like this until you have an unsustainable number of people that cannot or will not be paid anything at all having invested in recruiting suckers to try and get them to make the same mistakes they did.
malignantpoodle 4 weeks ago
@malignantpoodle recuitment without discussing what product is bein sold, and is overly pushy with the approach even tho no need for the service or opportunity has been established, then they are doin things the wrong way and i could see why there would be a negative stigma..it would be the equivilant toapproaching a beautifull woman and just asking for her number, w/o finding out if she is single, or even straight, and no dialoge(not sure how to spell that) to indiacte interest
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
@carsonc29
You can go on and on and on about all the things wrong with our current system, most of which I won't disagree with. It won't change the fact that pyramids are a joke, unsustainable, and yes everyone except the people at the top lose their ass.
It's like the whole, "you're with us or with the terrorists" mentality to think that MLM has some kind of virtue simply because labor is flawed in this country.
malignantpoodle 4 weeks ago
@malignantpoodle sounds like you are running out of steam there, the ignorance you display on this type of business model is staggering..you keep tryin to state so called "facts"..if you think that about that about MLM industry, thats fine, thats your opinion, but dont waste time makin a YT video about something you know very little about, then try to pass it off as true and factual like you have some genius business sense...
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
@carsonc29
If you were right, you'd be out working the idea rather than going around YT trying to sell it to others. I see your activity consists of nothing more than trying to convince people that MLM works so well. If it did, the programs wouldn't need lapdogs like yourself going around trying to convince people otherwise.
And I'll make videos about whatever the fuck I want, see? You came to me, I didn't go to you. If you don't like it, gtfo.
malignantpoodle 4 weeks ago
@malignantpoodle that seems really flawed to me, and extremely unfair..it is possible for an emplyee to do all that is expected from them and more, and still not get a raise or promotion..cause with the guarentee of a paycheck, they give up control over their time and income..only in a job structure does it make sense to reward half assed effort and dedication on the same level..people want what a job by itslef can never give, more control of their time, and more money
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
A very good and informatif video, do not respond too much for the mlm fans, with their rude words.....
MrMahmudsmith 3 months ago
LOL he is doing this at a coffee shop, he is homeless lol.
owenbuca 3 months ago
nice vid man...and professional~
thebanez 3 months ago
41 dislikes? Hmmm...seems to me 41 idiots got scammed and are too embarrassed to admit it.
Ha!
chicagoboy888 4 months ago 2
@chicagoboy888 and another 122 dont even know the true defintion of a "pyramid scheme"
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
Amen brother! good vid!
kuyapjdotcom 5 months ago
now that guarantee is a way of not doing business the right way. Those who say so, make it a bad name. Can't gaurantee you results but it applies in life too. can't gurantee you that you will get that job or that raise. Are you aware of Maslow's Hierarchy of needs? Life IS a pyramid.
M1tchellw 6 months ago
@M1tchellw
I didn't say, "guarantee". I said they cannot provide the things they promise.
And you're not making any money either.
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malignantpoodle 6 months ago
@M1tchellw no, your wrong, life is not a pyramid. in real life you can get a job, maybe a promotion and good pay if your not lazy. at least with jobs you get real money and honest money. if you are a hard worker, go to college, you will get results. sure in a bad economy its different for SOME people. but overall the economy is not forever crappy and jobs pay off well. you can smtims be guarntd to get promoted and get a pay raise. its called staying at the job and not ripping others off.
ericwaffle31 6 months ago
@ericwaffle31 you sound really disillusioned, so let me get this straight, you say real life, is goin to school, then beggin someone to give you a jnob and let you work for them, then lettin them dictate your pay, thus your lifestyle, then if you kiss enuff ass you might get a promotion, to make a lil bit more money, put in your 40 + yrs of work, and then maybe get to retire????..you can keep your "real life"
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
@carsonc29 ur weird lol. get rich quick skemes dont do shit. they are all a scam. the only way to earn money is by working and yes u have to do it 30 + years. the body was meant to work to keep it busy and mentally busy. no one wants to retire at 30
ericwaffle31 2 weeks ago
@ericwaffle31 wow, im weird lol...so a person HAS to work 30 + years, and remeind me what manual that is written in again that says its required to work that long..and your right,get rich quick schemes are a scam,but a business that you have to work at to become successfull is not...i bout fell out my seat laughing when i read that last line "noone wants to retire at 30"..did you sniff some paint as you was writing that, you must be someone older in age to say that, or with an old
carsonc29 2 weeks ago
@ericwaffle31 mindset..im betting if i go outsit right now and poll 100 people and give them option A.work for 30+ years and maybe afford to retire or B. retire at 30 and never have to worry bout money again, i am supremely confident every person will choose option B
carsonc29 2 weeks ago
@ericwaffle31 your assuming that if a person could retire at 30 all they are gonna do is lounge around the rest of their life and not do anything, just cause a person could retire at a young age does not mean they stop working, they just have the luxury of no longer have to work for money..and i would dare to say alot of the younger generation thinks this way as well since they have seen their parents work 30+ years and always worry bout money, always stressed..they dont want that
carsonc29 2 weeks ago
i like how the man in this video said - greedy or desperate. that is so true. sometimes its both combined. i have met some people, former high school classmates, former friends, former neighbors who never went to a 4 yr college and were desperate to make it big, to make their dreams come true. they didnt make much money, but were still greedy because they were lured into by money and actually gullible enough to think they can "win" and eventually outrank others when they make it big. lol.
ericwaffle31 6 months ago
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These people are nothing but Nay sayers and negative nancy's. But hey, everyone in the world is different. It depends on what YOU want in life.
M1tchellw 6 months ago
@M1tchellw I didn't remove your post, I never remove posts, dunno how that happened.
To respond; whether or not a job is a fair trade is another matter. An employee agrees to perform X for X amount of pay. Do the work, get the money. Pyramid schemes promise things they never deliver, are vague about work to be done, and require the employee to PAY the employer. Total crap dude.
malignantpoodle 6 months ago
@malignantpoodle in most network marketing you sign as IBA, individual business app, meaning you can right certain things off on your taxes, as with ANY business, weather you are opening a mcdonalds, or your own start up business, it requires an investment..not all MLMs are legit or profitable, but some are very helpfull to people and are quit legit...to say that all MLMs promise and dont deliver is very inaccurate, the same can be said about a job, people are always bein laid
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
@malignantpoodle off due to factors outside their control, their job may have guareteed them cerain pay for certain hours, but cannot not guarentee they will have a job past a certain time
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
@carsonc29
I can write off things associated with my work as well. Travel, moving, or associated expenses involved with performing my job. A pyramid doesn't guarantee employment either.
If I want to "invest" in a business as you say, I can easily do that in the stock market or through mutual funds where there is regulation, oversight, and some legal protections. I can also write off losses.
Beside the point tho, working a job, people don't lose thousands like in MLM.
malignantpoodle 4 weeks ago
@malignantpoodle you keep using the word pyramid, look up the actual defintion of the word, it doesnt mean what you think means??i never said a network marketing company offers employment, that would classiy it as a job?losing thousands???ive never heard of any MLM that cost thousands to get into, and if there was one where it costs that much i wouldnt get into it either
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
@carsonc29
Right, because they are pyramids. MLM and network marketing functions exactly like that. They keep rebranding themselves and altering the internal dynamics but the way it works is exactly the same.
You really should watch part 2 where the guy on the phone basically admits that the products offered is just a front for recruitment and that you can't make money off of selling products for the company, only recruiting more people.
malignantpoodle 4 weeks ago
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M1tchellw 6 months ago
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jevontate 6 months ago
39 people got jacked by a pyramid scheme.
tfmntfmn 6 months ago
@tfmntfmn and another 122 dont know what the defintion of "pryramid scheme" is
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
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purebullmarket 7 months ago
@purebullmarket
Fool. It's a 55 gallon fish tank aerator. Not that I'd expect you to know that, but that's what happens when you make unfounded statements.
malignantpoodle 7 months ago 6
If you don't want to join pyramid, just don't join it. What's the big deal... Not all P have to end up with 13 billion users.
DragonToko 7 months ago
@DragonToko
Such a simpleton world you live in eh?
malignantpoodle 7 months ago
@DragonToko you're trying to hard
shotgunsurgeon23 7 months ago
Now, please also comment gambling, banking systems with their loan structure, charity campains and churches. Be fair. Difference between alcohol and marijuana is just one is legal another is not, but doesn't mean marijuana is worse than alcohol or tobacco.
DragonToko 7 months ago
@DragonToko
With gambling, banking, and loans the terms and conditions are laid out up front. If I take out a loan, I know the interest rate and I get the money up front. With gambling I understand that I'm risking (at a disadvantage) a chance to win something, and I'm also fully aware that I may lose my investment. Pyramid schemes REQUIRE loss on the part of participants all the while promising exuberant returns which have no chance of happening.
malignantpoodle 7 months ago
@malignantpoodle I guess pyramids are no worst than gambling. Casino house REQUIRES someone to loose. Sure you are aware of that and when you join pyramid you are also aware of possible loss. What is the difference. In fact you still can gain some profit. Bank loans - banks give you money from amount they don't have. Banking system is very cheeky if you know what I mean. They are the cause of inflation in economy. I never take any loans or give them credit card intress.
DragonToko 7 months ago
@DragonToko
Right, casinos require someone to lose. They do not require everyone to lose, nor do they make patrons work on the side. Also, some people actually win at casinos.
Banks and the credit system are nothing something I claim to support, but saying that they're the same as pyramid schemes only that one is legal and one isn't is far disconnected from reality and rather ignorant.
malignantpoodle 7 months ago
@malignantpoodle Pyramids same as many financial systems can be developed stupidly and wisely. it can be just fun game or total disaster in hands of greedy assholes. Lot of systems are based on pyramid structure, just they have different rules. Again - it is yoru choice to join or not. If you someone is annoyed with those friendly approaching people - they are also in insurance companies, charity, churches. So what is the guideline?
DragonToko 7 months ago
@DragonToko
It's obvious that you don't have a good grasp on how a pyramid scheme works. It lures people in with the promise of wealth, has them giving up a good chunk of money, with no chance for return. People join on the premise that they will strike it rich. This cannot be said for people giving to charities and churches. Pyramids are dishonest in nature in an attempt to swindle people on of cash on false promises and hopes.
malignantpoodle 7 months ago
@malignantpoodle Well, it;s obvious that you don't really know much on pyramids. All you know is this is bad as masturbation at age 14. Churches and charities suck money from naive people like vampires where surely noone wins. It is nice that you making videos, but really don't make yourself look like upset little boy who hates something around and can not help with it.
DragonToko 7 months ago
@DragonToko
I obviously know more about it than you if you think that a charity is the same as pyramid that offers exuberant cash returns. It's fucking ridiculous. Also, someone that thinks that the only difference between alcohol and marijuana is that one is legal and one isn't is a fucking tard.
malignantpoodle 7 months ago
@malignantpoodle Wellm if our conversation goes this way, who is f-tard and "obviously you know more than me" it is obvious that you have some personality problems. maybe your mom refused to feed you with tit or something or you had no normal friends when you were kid. Sad that we still have those kind of people in our society.
DragonToko 7 months ago
@DragonToko
right, you have to take it there because the argument that you make is so willfully ignorant are demonstrably false that you've got to try something else now.
malignantpoodle 7 months ago
@malignantpoodle you do realize its alot of people who have made millions, who are not the founders, or owners of the MLM..you sound ignorant making assumptions that everyone loses money..for some MLMs that nay be true, i am not aware of all that are out there, only a few.
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
GDI= new abunza scam
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foster2367 8 months ago
Is FHTM group part of the 39?
divabikinis 9 months ago
the 39 people who dislike this are instigators of pyramid schemes
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locovel10 1 year ago
@locovel10
barking up the wrong tree. It's not how much it costs to start a business, it's how the business generates revenue and whether or not that model is sustainable.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
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locovel10 1 year ago
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Give me an example please
tachon04 1 year ago
So school districts in the state of ohio are a scam? All the ones in southwest ohio require applicants to pay for there own background checks and state appointment fees (approximately $135).
Maybe I am just confused...give me an example of a pyramid scheme.
tachon04 1 year ago
@tachon04
I didn't say they were a scam. I said it wasn't normal.
And paying for a background check is hardly comparable to an MLM scheme where the only money coming in is from the "employees" where the business model and source of income is recruitment.
Paying for a background check one time isn't even in the same universe.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle Tell em. Primerica is a one of these scheme. They want peolple to pay into licensing and many of these folks don't know what their specificaly sigining up for.
runhorun 11 months ago
@runhorun so payin a fee to take classes that help prepare you to get professional acredited licenses is bad????? so why do people have to pay to get inot med school, why not just give people medical licenses?, payin a small fee to get a life insurance license, even gettin a secuties license to market investment products, thats bad??? scams typically dont make it as high as wall street, im assuming the SEC, BBB, wallstreet and other investors who invested millions into the compmnay
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
@runhorun probably know ALOT more about business than you ever could, probably have a much sharper understanding on weather a business is real or profitable..you sound like you have done no research whatsoever, just strong opinions based on misunderstandings, and your tryin to pass them off as "facts"..
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
If they cant write a book on molesting children, then a book will be published on anything. I still think you are a bit unclear on exactly what a pyramid might be because you making recruiting sound like an indicator of a scam.
Legitimate employers do ask to put down money to be employed there. How about all employers who ask for degrees? What about when a school asks a teacher to pay for their own background check before they can even apply there.
the inconsistancies kill the whole video
tachon04 1 year ago
@tachon04
An employer that requires an educated position requires a degree because there are standards of employment and a requirement for knowledge or training for a specialized field. When people buy an education, that goes to the educational institution in exchange for a service. It does not go to the employer. Paying for one's own bg check is not normal.
With MLM (pyramids), the advertisement is the product, the "employees" are the customers.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle FUcken exactly, why the hell are you going to pay to be employed?
runhorun 11 months ago
@tachon04 be the idiot who joins a pyramid scheme like primerica.
runhorun 11 months ago
I really think your retarded....really... and probably a lifeless militia follower. My company dose offer direct sales as well as recruitment, i'm telling you I have 6000 agents and 44,000 customers in almost 5 years, if my agent can't or won't BE THE customer I dont care we-still- enroll-customers.....but I understand your dumbness, your on the wrong side of business, you simply make others wealthy period.... I'm done communicating with people trapped in the matrix...good by... whew
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
sorry that your bullshit MLM went down in flames. Good luck finding other suckers like yourself to buy into it :)
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
I think we have a misunderstaning about employee's and business owners. In life you have two choices 1- work for someone, 2- someone works for you, that's it and that's ok, the people that succeed in networking succeeds in mostly everything they do, I'm speaking from my personal experience and of those in my field. btw I'm an licensed energy broker and i get paid to lower the rates for commercial and residential customers. I dont care if someone joins me or not Im getting paid for the energy us
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
Now you're going to tell me you work in a licensed field while poo-pooing all other licensed professions? hehe
In any case, if you get nothing if someone signs up, and you're just based in sales, what does that have to do with MLM?
You make no sense which is likely explained to you being intellectually dishonest. You first try to defend MLMs, discredit licensed professions, then turn around and claim you aren't in an MLM and you're licensed :)
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle your dumb argument is pyramid schemes force their reps to by the products, and i'm telling you that aint true, and as far as pooing on licensed professions is concerned which is even more retarded, what you could'nt comprehend was that they to must spend money before they make money. I never said I get nonthing if someone comes in the business(now I really know your argument is baseless....you can't comprehend)
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
dumb, retarded, blah blah blah.
Coming from someone that can't spell every other word and has the grammar of a ten year old, I find this quite amusing :)
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle I'll use your words...the lack of support for some beliefs does not in and of itself make it invalid. No my company is still here and kicking ass, how about you? who are you making rich?
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup exactally..it takes alot of money for a company to advertise on tv, radio, newspaper, magazines,billboards ect....they have a marketing budget..they simply add that into the cost of the product that they are selling
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
Why is it ok for McDonald's to start a business, become successful, allow investors to buy-in for $1mil+ run the business and have to pay the Kroc Corparation 15+%, and the same goes for Century21, But its not ok for the average "Joe" to start a business and get paid commissions if someone else decide's to join him for a small investment. Most people fail at everything but when its MLM its a scheme?
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
Because with a legitimate business like those mentioned, they pay people for labor and deliver a product or service to a consumer. With an MLM, the employees are the consumers.
Even worse, they don't make a real product or offer a real service. The advertisement is the product. This is without even considering that commission structure of an MLM is not maintainable and almost everyone that joins loses everything they put into it.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle I dont think you understand not all companies require the agent to buy the stuff, and i agree those BS companies that have "self consumption" people should run like a storm from, but I'm here to tell you what I do dosent matter whether the agent uses the product, service or not we're still paid comm. for the customer consuming the commodity
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
You sell the "opportunity" to someone else and make a commission. That doesn't work and is unsustainable. The employee is the customer, the advertisement is the product.
For someone that thinks doctors and real estate agents are "idiots" your argument isn't very convincing, especially considering that they make a shitload more cash than people in MLM ever will. While they rake in the money, you're on the web trying to convince people that your business is even legitimate.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle I challenge you to bring me anyone, and let's compare 1099's I promise I will come through...but ofcourse you won't, btw I live in Dallas Tx.....bring it!!! this is easy.
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
Compare 1099s? LOL!
You do realize that a 1099 is used to report income other than wages, tips, or salaries right? If you're filing a 1099, it's because you're making shit.
And I'm a professional poker player, trust me, you don't even come close.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle your really really did I say really dumb. A 1099 is a statement of money paid to someone for work rendered.....dumb ass my company reports to the IRS the income they paid me.....really did I mentioned dumb.....WOW you need to keep playing poker maybe your better at that than reading.
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
Actually, a 1099 is, "Form 1099 is a form promulgated by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and is used in the United States income tax system to prepare and file an information return to report various types of income other than wages, salaries, and tips"
You know who use 1099s? People on Social Security and those doing contract labor.
You make jack shit. You know it, I know it.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle wow so your a GAME player....pretty impressive. Looking at your channel you don't win often hehehe hahahah;)
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
By the way, learn how to spell at least 3 words in a row and use proper grammar before trying to insult someone's intelligence.
You also need to check my video, "the one rule for my channel". You deleted comments from your channel that I made.
You do not get to come here, post whatever you like, and then don't allow others to do the same.
Good luck, get a real job.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
You wanting to compare 1099s reveals the truth; you don't make shit.
That is just so funny :)
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle I used to be an account manager back in the day with Dr. Pepper Bottling and they told us if we were ever SEEN with a competitor's product being consumed we'd get fired right away. That sounds like the employees are the customers.
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
Bullshit.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@thepowergroup good point
carsonc29 4 weeks ago
First, medical, real estate agents, appraisers, vehicle inspectors (required in Texas for epa) and many other profession had to invest in licenses, and many other on-going expense to start and run a BUSINESS!! not a job, oh and btw jobber's also incur expenses for gas, food, and clothing for which non of those things are re-embursed or tax deductable. I'm personally in a business where its about sales, and we sell way more than recruit as a matter of fact my team finds it extreamly easier to se
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
When someone is in a licensed profession, that money goes to the state licensing agency. It's for the purpose of accountability and regulation. That's so that not just anyone becomes a doctor (someone you called an idiot), and not just anyone can draw up a deed and sell land.
with an MLM, you get none of that. the money doesn't go to regulation or securing the integrity of those performing the service.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
This is video if from someone who is total slave, I mean it cost money to get real estate license, medical license, car inspectors license, cosmetology license, etc. Everything is sold by and to someone, why would an idiot want to start a business without selling something? The real scheme is coming from the person that has you working to death literally without a stake in the profits. Talk to someone who is where you want to be, instead of ignorant talking heads who are mad because they fail a
thepowergroup 1 year ago
@thepowergroup
So people with real estate and medical licenses are idiots? What is a car inspectors license?
People like you involved with MLM are the real slaves. Gotta go out, beg people to sign up, and keep trying to convince others that the bullshit you bought into is right for them. Instead of telling your neighbor, "man I got railed, look at this business opportunity crap", you go and try to get them to buy it instead.
Now that takes a special kind of loser asshole to pull off!
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
Research, w/ worldwide feedback, says that the more a person invests in an MLM the more they lose – which is true of any scam. Committed MLM participants may invest thousands, and even tens of thousands of dollars, over years before running out of cash or giving up. In legitimate companies, sales reps are not asked to buy inventory or monthly purchases. But in MLM, incentivized purchases are merely disguised or laundered investments in a product-based pyramid scheme.
MLMpyramidScam 1 year ago
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@LvvL24
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malignantpoodle 1 year ago
I don't think they are racist, I use them to make money with ez-casino(dot)com, I'm very happy with the results! :)
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fuckmania07 1 year ago
Yep just like Primerica.
hhvf06 1 year ago
Every company is a pyramid scheme....Is there not a president in every company? Then after that there are more Vice Presidents than Presidents.... Then there are even more Board of Directors.....then below them are more regional managers ...then you have your store managers/asst. managers.....then you have the bottom of the corporate pyramid where the majority of us are...the lowly employee..... Figure it out people, everything is a pyramid!!
joeschroeder83 1 year ago
@joeschroeder83
While profits are still funneled to the top, the stark difference is that money is made by selling a real product or service which is in demand, not by recruiting more people. furthermore, one doesn't pay money to be employed, and that money is the income for the pyramid scheme. That pyramid schemes and legitimate businesses both have a hierarchy does not make them the same in how they work.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago 5
@malignantpoodle you pay taxes don't you? Try to not pay your taxes then tell me that your not in a pyramid.
TheAntiFascist2010 1 year ago
@TheAntiFascist2010
It's the law that I pay taxes. It's not the law that I join a pyramid. Get a fucking clue.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle Do you like Televangelist? What is a Svengali?? What law says that you have to pay taxes smarty pants?? You pay taxes because you are afraid. There is no law. Go find the law and get back to me. Specifically the law that says I have to pay income tax.
TheAntiFascist2010 1 year ago
@TheAntiFascist2010
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
16th amendment to the US constitution.
You're an idiot.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle Your comment hit the turth on the mark. Some people do not want to listen and those are the people that get fucked over.
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alkavayner 1 year ago
@joeschroeder83 your right on doggy.
TheAntiFascist2010 1 year ago
@joeschroeder83 well said bro
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joeschroeder83 1 year ago
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GreatThunder1 1 year ago
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MidnightTrashh 1 year ago
Compare with a regular company, we would be hired without putting any investment. Plus there is accountability and legality. No soliciting for money. No sales. That's up to the sales people and workers.
Topazman12 1 year ago
All scams work by exploiting one of the 7 Deadly Sins. A Pyramid scheme exploits the greed (as well as sloth) in the victims, Romance scams exploit lust, False charity scams exploit pride, the Beijing tea scam and the Melon drop Scam exploit gluttony, Communism (yes i think it can be called a scam) exploits envy etc....
Supenmanu 1 year ago 2
@Supenmanu
Has little to do with 7 sins. What about desperation? Need? Motivation? Curiosity? Are these sins? Sometimes they exploit the needy, desperate, or curious.
The communism scam exploits envy... that's a ridiculous argument.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle: Need, Motivation, Curiosity and desperation might get you to look at such scams but they alone wouldn't get you to fall for them.
As for Communism: can you honestly tell me after having red the Manifesto of the Communist Party by Karl Marx that it doesn't prey on people's jealousy?
Oh and by the way, i am not trying to push Christianity here... I hope you don't think that. I am not even Christian - i was just using a Christian concept to explain scams.
Supenmanu 1 year ago
@Supenmanu
Most people that fall for scams do so out of curiosity and desperation. As a matter of fact, most scams are tailored for the curious and desperate.
The Communist Manifesto hardly attracts the greedy. As a matter of fact, the system it opposes is one where the people, the rich fat cats at the top take everything. Marx's solution is to have the ownership of production in the hands of the laborer. It is the antithesis of greed.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle: I didn't say it preys on the greedy, i said it preys on the envious and jealous. But yeah maybe the greedy too. Marx solution is a scam to lure you in, cause what he promises you is impossible to achieve just like in a scam. But of course it's even worse, cause he wants you to steal and kill for him.
Supenmanu 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle ...and it never works.The power is consolidated by the elite class and the masses enslaved and controlled in communist countries.Marx was a zionist jew and commissioned by zionist bankers to write the communist manifesto.The theory itself sounds utopian, but never enacted in this manner. It's always about control and it's easier to consolidate power in these types of societies. Lenin and Stalin don't exactly inspire me as leaders. Great video on pyramid schemes, I learned a lot.
chriscr123 1 year ago
@chriscr123
All governments are about consolidating power. Communism is about who is in control.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle So you would prefer Mao, Stalin. Lenin, Castro, etc?
chriscr123 1 year ago
@chriscr123
Would you prefer Nixon, Bush, Harding, Wilson?
The fact that your understanding of communism has to do with pointing to those that did nothing in the Communist Manifesto, and then citing Marx as the cause means that it would be a part time job for me to educate you on the subject of Communism which I'm not interested in doing, nor interested in debating with someone that has obviously passed judgment before doing any real research on the subject.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@chriscr123 Nixon, Bush, Harding, Wilson, Reagan and whoever else you can mention were establishment puppets doing the bidding of the real controllers. My whole point about the communist manifesto was that the theory behind it sounds utopian, but it has never been put into practice. That was apparently lost on you. That perfect society that communism and marxism purports has never come to fruition. I'm not interested in debating you either as you didn't even read what I said to begin with.
chriscr123 1 year ago
thank you, this is a very nice and helpful video
SovietHerbivore 1 year ago
JOB is the biggest pyramid in history
SpcMedia21 1 year ago 4
@SpcMedia21 finnaly some one says it!!
MTGBrandon 1 year ago
Another warning sign... the top earners in the pyramid are also the top earners in other pyramids.
PandawdyBob 1 year ago
This is an awesome video. Thanks for doing everyone a public service. I find an effective way to convey the problem with mlm is to ask them, "If you're gonna be paid so much, who do you supposed is doing the paying?" The answer to this should be "My Downlines." Oh wait a minute....that downline....is you.
ianchang1 1 year ago
Are the first 2½ minutes taped in the toilet? =)
Great vid btw.
snakecharmer133 1 year ago
That's a fish tank.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
i dnt go 4 elderly or disabled u need 2 b shot i go 4 mlmers ppl that kno wat they doin u clearly dnt y did u even bother makin this vid COS U LOST UR MONEY N DNT KNO HOW TO MARKET EVERY TING IS A PYRAMID SCHEME THE PYRAMID OF LIFE N U AT THE BOTTOM
mattsk89 1 year ago
Yes, I'm sure. Someone that types like a deranged 4 year old on acid is just REELING in the cash rofl
malignantpoodle 1 year ago 2
Thanks for outlining that people do in fact lose money with mlm.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
u dunno wtf fuk u on about i make money from pyramid u probly lost out cos ur dumb ass fuk
mattsk89 1 year ago
the only way you can loose out if you do it is by not reffering any people yourself lots of most people get away with alot of money add me on skype for more info.
mattsk89 2 years ago
Yeah, the only way you don't lose is if you make others lose.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
@mattsk89 You're going to have to continually spend money in a pyramid. Everyone MLM requires you to keep buying a "product", usually on a monthly basis. Continuous cash flow is necessary, and not just from the new members of the pyramid.
PandawdyBob 1 year ago
9:15. Mona Vie is doing the same thing on Google and Youtube: watering down the search results to block out everything that criticizes it.
Wolfboy183 2 years ago 2
this video could be seen as a nice double entendre.
dwaynedibbly 2 years ago
@ MouthforWar
people can still build their business in a pyramid scheme by simply recuiting new people..
And people can build their business in the same way with the exception of selling a product or service.
ecc135 2 years ago
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Great vid, sensible arguments. I would however note that most MLM scams keep their initial investment under $500 in order to stay under the FTC's radar, and the real money is made over time while the scheme keeps "motivating" participants to "build their businesses".
armydiller 2 years ago