TEDxSydney - David Chalmers - The Extended Mind

[virgozero]

I can't help but cringe at his jokes..... >.<

[HoloplexProductions]

11:05 The Socially Extended Mind - Synthetic Telepathy

[MGTGR123]

Love David Chalmers but don't quite agree with this.

[ArcadianGenesis]

@MGTGR123 I'm the opposite. I generally find Chalmers' ideas weak and unconvincing, but I completely agree with the extended mind thesis (which, by the way, was not his idea).

[moonfreak1993]

@ArcadianGenesis  Quantum Phyics my friend :)

[ArcadianGenesis]

@moonfreak1993 Can you please elaborate? I'm not sure what you were responding to or what point you were trying to make.

[Khuno2]

I know who David Chalmers is, boy. The criticismS remain.

[Khuno2]

I suppose that if David Chalmers were to lose his iphone for a period of time, he'd have lost a bit of his mind. This thesis deserves as much ridicule as one can heap upon it. Another douchebag in academia.

[TheFunkyTheist]

@Khuno2 You're in acedemia? That would explain who the douchebag is.

[TheFunkyTheist]

Next time my teacher tell me i can't use a calculator in class, im gonna say, ima have david chalmers beat yo ass!!!!

[arnoldlayne1991]

@Khuno2 This man is one of the most widely published, distinguished and respected philosophers in the academic world. Read one of him many papers on the matter (all available on his website), and if you can understand it, then you will realise this.

[Khuno2]

Also, it's amusing to note that unless Chalmers accepts that there's something it's like to be an iphone, he has argued against them having phenomenal consciousness in his book the conscious mind. Minds aren't digital computers according to him.

[Khuno2]

One of the main snags with the extended mind thesis (EMT) concerns derivative intentionality. Derivative intentionality would be intentionality (aboutness of thoughts) dependent upon intentional states that are themselves not dependent upon any other mental states. All artifacts have derivative intentionality (designed by minds with original intentionality to perform the tasks specified in their design). Underived intentionality has content, the ringing of an iphone doesn't. So goes it.

[jonakompa]

The issue is that we cannot subcontract critical tasks of the mind to body extensions. A stolen laptop or and erased important folder may serve as examples, my students getting less intelligent (to put it politely) because they do not train their minds (literacy) and memory any more: they only remember where information is stored - leading to a copy and share culture. There are undeniable advantages, but also a lot of downsides.

[metaRising]

I'd like to see a talk on extended consciousness. There is plenty of scientific evidence of psi and even a few compelling theories. Psi is also compatible with what we know about space time. It might not be reliable and so practically useful, but its implications about what consciousness IS are extraordinary.

[frwspencer]

The Limits of Intelligence in the July, 2011 Scientific American ends with a bit about how our minds can, perhaps, only get more powerful by using the resources of the current technological scene.

[Ontologistics]

Interesting if it were a footnote - Chalmers has offered so much more.

[ja524309]

If the mind is not just in the brain, but also includes things like notepads and smart phones, then what exactly is not part of our mind. In other words, where would you draw the line between something being part of your mind/brain or not?

[Hockeyjason]

@ja524309

"With the arrival of electric technology, man has extended, or set outside himself, a live model of the central nervous system itself. To the degree that this is so, it is a development that suggests a desperate suicidal autoamputation, as if the central nervous system could no longer depend on the physical organs to be protective buffers against the slings and arrows of outrageous mechanism. "

— Marshall McLuhan (Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man)

[Hockeyjason]

@ja524309

You are trying to impose a visual perspective (i.e. trying to "draw the line"), on to something that cannot be seen... In these matters one cannot and should not employ a point of view.

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding."

— Marshall McLuhan (The Gutenberg Galaxy: The Making of Typographic Man) 

[ja524309]

@Hockeyjason You know just as well as I do that "draw the line" was being used in a metaphorical sense and that your objection completely misses the point, which was, where does "the Mind" cease to exist? If you can do no better than telling me that my question is invalid without giving any convincing reason why this should be the case, do me a favor and stop wasting my time.

[CPLains]

@ja524309 The more general concern is to give an accurate definition of mind. The extended mind hypothesis is then a claim about what an optimal definition of mind includes. Mind being muddy at the moment, it's more relevant to consider special cases like personal memory. As he said, this has implications for Law for instance. If someone steals your iPhone, should this be a case of damage to the owners memory? It might turn out that a good definition of personal memory includes some such things.

[athenaxena12]

@ja524309 I contend that there are no limits of the mind and it is is inclusive of everything and everyone

@deborah_gabriel

[Rtehsfk]

He should get a new haircut