Critics & the Book of Mormon - part 1

[kramd1]

Where is Zarahemla ?

[Outlaw1257]

"Could have been", "may be", "may someday prove to be", "does not necessarily disprove"........... and the qualifiers go on, and on, and on........

[satyrisisxxx]

what about "the cloud people" in the peruvian amazon...where did the come from ?

[xcannabiscom]

@satyrisisxxx Maybe they should look at the DNA research that has been done on those people. They have NO Semitic DNA. So they certainly did not come from the Bible areas.

[dfwsunking]

Silly Ex-Mormon! God's testing us! He: 1. Changed Lamanite DNA to match Asians 2. Wiped out all the Nephite and Lamanite cities 3. Melted all the Nephite coins 4. Found a way to rust all the "swords of steel" 5. Killed off the horses, sheep and elephants and hid all their bones 6. Wiped out the wheat and barley mentioned in the BOM 7. Rusted the chariots 8. Killed off the worms that produced silk 9. Placed millions of people in a very very very small part of central america Repent!

[slu2com]

agreed

[ektorhugo]

such a fucked up religion...full perverted, child molesting, women beating hypocrites!

[randy109]

If you took the book of Mormon to any authentic biblical scholar they would have trouble keeping a straight face while reading it. It's almost a parody of the true Gospel written by men that didn't even fully understand scripture.

Even the premise is ridiculous. Why would God withhold the "truth" for over 1800 years and then bury it in a hillside in North America?? Stick to the Bible folks...

[humanistheart]

@randy109 Well, the part about trying to keep a straight face is accurate. But the use of the word 'true gospel' is something of an oxymoron, and the NT was also written and compiled by men who did not undertand the preceeding scriptures either (the hebrew scriptures).

[johnPhilos]

The Iliad is more historical than the book of mormon.

[Jarkko1983]

Hahahah, uses the bible vs the book of mormon, there's been refutal articles about that written many times before, but I have an answer to that in my videos where I read one of the articles online for them who are willing to hear it.

[Jarkko1983]

I like the way this guy compares badly drawn pictures with photos, plus still uses the old dna claim that has been refuted, also european dna has been found and some that jews have. Also the bom people called the jaredites did come from asia, as nibley showed how they were similiar with the asians. Now how is it that murphy is misrepresented in here, He's not a mormon, hes ex mormon and he's comments have been also refuted many times before.

[slu2com]

"I like the way this guy compares badly drawn pictures with photos"

Hey, if you have photographs of ancient Siberians, please post them.

However, I think that that picture was excellent. I challenge you to draw a better picture of Ghangis Khan.

Then we can judge how "badly drawn" a picture is.

Thanks!

[huskers12306]

i told you already that i understand the CLAIM of the lemba!!!!

you can propose anything you want about the biblical jesus. he has yet to be authenticated. the best anyone can propose at this time is that a guy whose name is alleged to be jesus was believed to have a ministry in the 1st century. it is further believed that he was crucified and his followers claim that he rose from the dead. again- none of this is authenticated.

can you please stay on topic.

[slu2com]

christiananswers. net/q-aig/race-definition.html

"can you please stay on topic. "

Only IF you want to? The topic is: "Critics & the Book of Mormon"

You are the one that seems to be missing the topic completely!

[huskers12306]

yeah!!!

i'm handling the "critics" part.

sorry- not going to join you in your mosh pit piling on the mormons, especially when you have no leg to stand on regarding your own beliefs.

and PLEASE- stay on topic!!!!!!!

[slu2com]

Actually the theory that they (The Lemba) came from "the holy land" has been purposed, but not authenticated. What has been authenticated is that they have Cohen DNA.

I've also purposed to you the Discovery show about Jesus that related Jesus and His ancestory to being from negro origins.

In the Bible, Jesus' ancestors come from northern Africa.

As for your insistance to change the topic. Like I said make a video denouncing Jesus, and I will certainly follow up with you.

[huskers12306]

as far as your attempt to change the subject to the lemba tribe- all i have to say is i'd like to try some of the drugs you are taking. that is good shit you're on.

as i recall from my studies, lemba's trace there jewish heritage back 2000-3000 years. they claim they came from the holy land region in that time period.

this has so nothing to do with human orgins.

talk about a red herring. its so red its purple.

stay on topic next time.

or you can play the coward card and flag me.

[slu2com]

"as far as your attempt to change the subject to the lemba tribe-"

Do you mean that you identifying problems in the Bible (that aren't part of the topic of this video), has nothing to do with the LEMBA?

You are saying that DNA says that the first man/woman came from Africa, and Israelite DNA does not say that.

However, the LEMBA tribe refutes your claims.

If you don't think the LEMBA tribe is relevant, you obviously haven't studied the subject.

[huskers12306]

now you are just being as ass.

what part of the lemba's claim they descended from a group of hebrews that traveled from the "holy land" 2000-3000 years ago and mixed with the local population don't you understand????

we've been bringing africans here since the 1600s and they have mixed into our population. does that make us the people with the oldest dna??

human orgins- EAST AFRICA- AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AGO.

sorry your mythos holds no water. get over it.

[huskers12306]

do you ever research non-biased sources or do you just want to get your religion from agenda driven apologists???

[slu2com]

While we are at it, in relation to the Discovery Channel and the Bible, I have combined a list of links that cover the Bible from the Discovery Channel site.

shorl. com/rasyjabusopo

I'll continue to add more.

[xcannabiscom]

@huskers12306 you're a Moron

[huskers12306]

ummmmmmm. oooooookayyyyyyyy.

i see you have totally ignored the fact that your book of mythology has no children born in the fictional garden of edent.

plus- you ignored that your book of mythology claims that there was a worldwide flood, of which nearly all scientists conclude DIDN'T take place, and that it claims we all descend from 8 indiviuduals from the turkish region of mt. ararat. sorry-published journal studies have human point of orgin in east africa.....cont.

[slu2com]

Yup, in fact if you look below, and at about 10 of my other posts to you I did address them.

You continue saying that the first man/woman came from Africa which refutes the Israelite issue in the Bible.

I countered by showing you the fact that the LEMBA tribe from Southern Africa adhere to the same religious rituals as the Israelite priesthood and have for several thousand years, as well as have the same DNA structure.

Elimating your problem with the DNA / Africa thing.

[slu2com]

You say scientists say that a flood didn't happen, but in fact in the area where Noah said that the flood occured (the world as he knew it). That there is a sediement layer that shows the same thing spoke about in the Bible, a huge flood in that area.

drdino. com for more information.

If you have no intention on discussing this issue, thats fine. But just know (and use this as a reference) I have replied to your posts. Many times in fact.

[huskers12306]

still having problems with there being no children born in the garden of eden? your myth says so.

what about mt. ararat? we KNOW that africans possess the oldest dna!!!!!

it would stand to reason that hebrew dna would be the oldest if we all descended from 8 hebrew individuals. however, legitimate published studies in respected journals says otherwise.

top that!!!!!

i see straw men and ad hominums and red herrings for a response to this!!!

yes!!! yes!!!!! i win again!!!!!

[slu2com]

If you have actually given this african theory of your ANY thought or research, instead of just being offended that ANYONE would question Mormonism. You would know that the black Lemba tribe of Southern Africa are Hebrew Priests, and the Jewish Federation accepts them (and their DNA) as a lineage of the High Priesthood.

Yes black Africans = Hebrew High Priests.

Google: "Lemba"

[utahpirateradio]

If you have actually given this african theory of your ANY thought or research, instead of just being offended that ANYONE would question Mormonism. You would know that the black Lemba tribe of Southern Africa are Hebrew Priests, and the Jewish Federation accepts them (and their DNA) as a lineage of the High Priesthood.

Yes black Africans = Hebrew High Priests.

Google: "Lemba"

[xcannabiscom]

@huskers12306 I have done an excellent job proving that Native Americans have no trace of Semitic DNA. If they were in fact Israelite leaders and profits that would have Semitic DNA. Native Americans have no Semetic DNA. TOP THAT!

[huskers12306]

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[behindzioncurtaincom]

Since davefromomaha likes to flag my comments as spam. I re-posted my comments to him under a different alias.

My alias behindzioncurtaincom should be familar as I tag all of my videos with that address.

[omahavinnie]

of course you don't want any more of me.

1. your claim of me claiming anything about the garden of eden is a lie!!!

2. your claim of the fictional garden of eden being a place of cultural orgin is laughable. according to yur own mythology- no one was born in the garden of eden.

3. you forgot all about your fictional flood and the fictional landing on sinai.

4. your spin and straw men and ad hominems and red herrings are no match for me!!!!

pssst!!! i won!!!

[StillSmallVoices]

Is he really flagging you and blocking u?

[behindzioncurtaincom]

Yes, he is flagging me, and no he isn't blocking me, because he can't.

What happened is this guy came to about 10 of my videos. Not once has he commented on the actual topic.

Typically, I let him post and post and post. He has about 20 posts on this blog alone that I haven't removed even though they don't have anything remotely to do with the topic.

Eventually, when he can't get me to ban him, he starts insulting me and carrying on.

So I gave him what he wanted. I blocked him.

[behindzioncurtaincom]

For example this post:

"your lucky.

being unamerican and a liar and a coward is bad enough as it is. "

Obviously nothing to do with the topic. And obviously he wants a reaction.

So I gave him a reaction. =)

[behindzioncurtaincom]

Your back? Can't get enough huh?! LOL

"1. your claim of me claiming anything about the garden of eden is a lie!!!"

I left what you said, and I quoted it in a response a few times..

Read it for yourself.

I guess you wish you hadn't claimed what you thought the Bible said (but didn't). Because now you have to admit that you made it up.

Psst. The Bible doesn't say that the first man/woman was in the middle east or europe. Its a figment of your imagination.

Now please move on!

[davefromomaha]

slo. did you flag me again? coward!!!

[davefromomaha]

your lucky.

being unamerican and a liar and a coward is bad enough as it is.

[behindzioncurtaincom]

Flag you? I have let your distraction, and your lack of staying on topic slide this time. I've been waiting for you to make a good case.

So far your case is:

"In addition, they noted that residents of the Middle East can trace their ancestry to both Africa and Europe, which they said is logical since the region formed a bridge for movement back and forth between the areas.

middle east from europe?? i'd say that debunks yer bible"

Where does the Bible say this? You won't answer!

[behindzioncurtaincom]

Flag you? I have let your distraction, and your lack of staying on topic slide this time. I've been waiting for you to make a good case.

So far your case is:

"In addition, they noted that residents of the Middle East can trace their ancestry to both Africa and Europe, which they said is logical since the region formed a bridge for movement back and forth between the areas.

middle east from europe?? i'd say that debunks yer bible"

Where does the Bible say this? You won't answer!

[davefromomaha]

Scientists have long believed that modern humans first developed in Africa and spread from there to populate the rest of the world, a theory strongly supported by the new analysis, the researchers said.

In addition, they noted that residents of the Middle East can trace their ancestry to both Africa and Europe, which they said is logical since the region formed a bridge for movement back and forth between the areas.

middle east from europe?? i'd say that debunks yer bible.

[davefromomaha]

A new genetic analysis of people from around the world adds further confirmation to the African origin of humans. The study of genetic details from 938 individuals from 51 populations provides evidence of how people are related and different, researchers led by Richard M. Myers of Stanford University report in Friday's issue of the journal Science.

published journal study- hows that for facts slo?? but you knew this already.

[davefromomaha]

everyone needs their delusions. yours is the bible.

[davefromomaha]

the bible is not proof for ANYTHING.

the bible needs to be proven with extraordinary evidence BEFORE it can be used as a source.

i really thought you were getting a handle on what is considered accepetable evidence. i was mistaken.

UNTIL YOU PROVE OTHERWISE, the bible is false.

btw: you can thank me and other military and former military members for ensuring your freedom to pursue your fictional mytholoogy in this country freely.

unless you are unamerican as well?

[davefromomaha]

since you proved again to be a coward who avoids questions:

i'm buying in. lets see if you can keep up.

lets assume there is no reference to where the creation of man according to fictional christian mythology took place.

where is the empiracal proof that there was a garden of eden?

no more distractions and avoiding the question.

this ought to be good.

i expect more of your cowardly rhetoric. i must remember you are a christian. lieing and cowardice comes easy for you.

[davefromomaha]

a simple "thank you" was all you had to say.

i stayed very much on topic. i also payed you a huge compliment to you for bringing evidence that debunked your own beliefs.

you alias remark is laughable. anyone who has had debates with me knows that i also go by the screennames "omahavinnie" and "omahavinnie2" and "nosoliciting0911". old news.

why? because it seems fundies feelings get too easily hurt and they play the flag card. you wouldn't know anything about that slo, now would you??

[slu2com]

"a simple "thank you" was all you had to say."

Looks like you've already patted yourself on the back.

"i stayed very much on topic."

Whatever you have to tell yourself. I disagree.

"i also payed you a huge compliment to you for bringing evidence that debunked your own beliefs."

Interesting, you made a point, but didn't back it up. At least I backed up my claim 100% in my video. You would fair well by using reality in your self proclaimed victories. Facts help!

[davefromomaha]

good show slo.

that took nerves of steel to use dna evidence to show that the indians (there are no "native americans") are asian in orgin.

that same dna evidence places homo sapien's orgins in east africa and not the middle east. the same dna evidence debunks the bible as much as it debunks the bom.

very good show using scientifically sound evidence.

there may be hope for you yet.

[slu2com]

"that same dna evidence places homo sapien's orgins in east africa and not the middle east. the same dna evidence debunks the bible as much as it debunks the bom."

I don't see how. A lot of the Bible takes place in North Africa. Not far from East Africa.

Your diagnostics of where the Bible says humans originated is lacking, and unfounded.

[slu2com]

"good show slo."

BTW- Alias guy, thanks for ALMOST staying on topic! This is the best you have done since you joined youtube as far as I can tell.

[jandrewclark]

All great points. I hope that before the week ends I'll put out a video addressing the Hebrew-American connection, which is deeper then is often talked about. I'll do the job of the critic for your little friend, but you make great points here.

[mavrickglo]

*aplause* well splisted together, and each side is well represented

[slu2com]

Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed it.