was the opening shot a view of SMS Lützow? Lützow differed from her sisters by still having the tubular foremast until her sinking after taking heavy damage.
I suspected that the ship at 3:15 was either an American dreadnought modernized in the 1930s or an American treaty cruiser, based on the superfiring triple turrets and the location of the secondary guns in the foreground. Earlier this morning, I happened to find footage of the U.S. Pacific Fleet conducting battle exercises, and it contains the same frame.
At 3:11 a three funnelled battleship takes a direct hit ( and the same scene appears earlier too). This is a ship of the Helgoland class and it is more likely that this footage is taken after WW1, when some ships of German navy were sunk as targets. All the same, it is excellent footage and as you say, very little seems to have survived from that ear. Good stuff.
Amazing footage-I would have loved to have heard/felt those guns shooting. I'm proud to say I had a great Uncle who as in the RN during the battle of Jutland.
all these ships are WW1 However all german ships being hit are gunnery testing from the 1920's. The ships being hit are the Ostfriesland some german cruiser a torpedo boat and the baden. The really grainy vids of the brit ships sailing in line ahead formation MAYBE WW1 footage.The german Battleships beauty shots are obviously WW1 or prewar. I did like the turret crew going through it's routine.
@woofdogmeow I rate an excellent analysis, same opinion on seeing the turret crew as well. No need for further comment by me, with exception perhaps to note the few ships shown hit are at a full stop. Clearly targets.
for some reason the ships look to complex for WW1 and the and a ship near the begging is from WW2. the guns also look like the guns on the Brismark...anyway it's still good i like
@kevinlogie Wrong: all WW I. It begins with a "Nassau" type German Dreadnought, followed by a Koenig class beauty. @ 1:00 a Queen Elizabeth WW I type Battleship, followed by shots of Battleships of the Grand Fleet and what look like some UK armoured cruisers being hit. @2:40 an Iron Duke class battleship, and around 3:30 what looks like German battlecruiser Moltke. If anyone finds better clues, please input. It begins and ends with Germans, but almost all Brits in the middle.
That's actually the paper/fabric wadding that was the packaging for the large amount of gun powder placed in the breach to fire the projectile. Came out behind the shot.
There is some nice footage here! Sadly, none of it is from battles. You're looking at target shoots. The ship sinking at 1:13 (and at least twice later) is probably a german ship - possibly Ostfriesland - being expended as a target.
@gbleong1 I'm sorry , lovey , but that a is preposterous tale .
The ports of Southern Ireland during WW1 were stiff with patrolling Allied warships to defend the Western Approaches , in a scheme which had been exercised for decades , with the expected enemy being the French .
That was why the Lusitania was so close inshore there .
The notion that Scharnhorst could have made a foray against commerce there , with or without her squadron-mates is just not a credible scenario .
@hxcjeff I dont think thats Scharnhorst , the funnels are too short .
I think thats one of the Ostfreisland battleships , post WW1 , and that explosion isn't consistent with a 1914 pattern !2 inch APC shell , the explosive in those is enough to crack the shell into big hunks once it's gone through the armour , no more , despite the efforts of Hollywood special effects-men .
I think that is one of Billy Mitchells aircraft bombs , and this is the infamous " Airpower " demo in the U S .
@zarquon53 Thanks for the comment. Please read the earlier posts though talking about this subject. I relented months ago that it must not be Scharnhorst. Best Regards.
Thanks for posting this, first time I saw a WWI naval footage. I just love to see the shadows of those dreadnoughts moving through the waves. Powerful images combined with great music, congrats!
@MrGeneralJB It's through a family connection actually. I have been talking to the BBC in London about an acquiring the footage. One video documentary company in New York blew their opportunity to get it by not knowing how to negotiate. It's over 26 hours of running footage.
I am wondering if the ship shown at 1:17 isnt the Scharnhorst, but rather the surrender german battleship that Gen. Doolittle did his bombing practice on during the 1920's? the reason I say this is that it appears the ship is not underway. I may be wrong but i cant see enough of the ship to make and accurate ID on it. Otherwise its a great job! I wish there was some way to see more, if any has survived through the years.
@dlharwood Well, apparently it isn't. In a previous conversation on this page it was pointed out to me that it could not be the Scharnhorst. I relented. lol So that's a good eye on your part.
if you want to be technical about ww1 battleship gun sizes, most of the modern ships at the time carried 12 and 14 inch guns, with the newest ships at jutland carrying 15 inch.. as an experiment.. the british battlecruiser furious(later converted to an aircraft carrier) carried two 18 inch(!!) guns in single mountings fore and aft, and saw action near the end of the war.. but it was considered impractical at the time and abandoned...
the japanese nagato class first carried 16 inch guns in 1920
@Spankydaham924 world war I battleships did not have 16 inch guns, not american battleships anyway, the most they had were 14 inch guns, the 16 inch guns were first introduced with the iowa class battle ship, after world war I
@Spankydaham924 :P battleships arent even used anymore, the last time a battleship was used was in operation desert storm in the 1990s, and the last battleship in the navy reserve fleet was decommissioned in 2006, and battle ships have not been produced by any country since world war II, after the sinking of the japanese yamato, which is the largest battle ship ever built
@MARINECORPS1251 My dad served on the Iowa. I think they've made a Museum out of it. Cant wait till we take a trip out to Cali to go see it. I know my fair share too cuz my dad's a 20 year Navy Vet.
@Spankydaham924 the sad thing is, im 17 and i know all this, and A LOT more, i have read history books, and watched documentaries on military history in my own spare time, i use to be a major history nerd, but not anymore, now i dont really care lol
The ship with the added quip "Looks like SMS Scharnhorst under fire" is of course the the battleship SMS Ostriesland which after having been given to the USA after the war was finally expended as an aerial test target.
It is amazing that the UK was able to have over 150 ships at Jutland and over 30 battleships. Sad that the RN is down to something like only 35 ships now despite having a much larger population. I guess that's what happens when your defense budget goes from 20% in 1910 to 6% of total today.
who have won the battle of the jutlands germany ore great brittian. you hear sow many diverent things the brittisch have lost more men and boats than the germans and after the battle the grand fleet never dare to leave scapa flow even when germans boats attacks brittisch coast and you have people are saying somthing else
@Voske2 Germany won the engagement but German politics (The Kaiser) gave Britain the win by not letting the German fleet leave port again whereas the British Admiral Jellice reported his fleet ready to put to sea within 24 hours of the battle and never relented control of the seaways.
The Kaiser made a mistake,like Hitler he never really understood the value of his navy or how to best use it.
Amazing video, what a treat!! Thank you so much. By the way, was that HMS Tiger steaming at 0:58? Also, do you know if the battleship being straddled at 3:17-3:19 HMS Warspite or another Queen Elizabeth class under fire at Jutland? I'm just a little puzzled because it appears the turrets are trained fore and aft, but it's clearly a British capital ship under fire. Thanks!
you look at it and see men moving and to know that not one of them is alive today it will soon happen to our WW 2 vets and not that far for us vet-N vets time marches on
I agree with woofdogmeow but only after extensive research.
The video is clear enough to show the ships bow and because of that I have to say it's not the Scharnhorst, the Scharnhorsts bow was not uniformly raked backwards as is the case with this ship, Scharnhorst had a partially raked bow that was vertical as it joined the deck and i can clearly see this isn't the case in the clip.
@jimmywrangles Okay...I relent. A good sport knows when hes licked. I bow to both yours and woofdogmeows knowledge of First World War ships. Us WW2 boys should stay in our place or at least our time period that is. Yes, you win the prize!! What that is as of yet...I don't know. lol Thanks for the kind comments. More to come.
@hxcjeff LOL,sorry if i sounded like a know it all,WW2 battleships are my thing as well,it's easier to find good picturesso research is a bit easier and i've actually been on board the USS Missouri a long time ago so the WW2 beasts have always been my favorites.
@janak19771977 Not enough is visible in my opinion to hazard a guess as to what class it is so I didn't take one.
If pushed I'd have to agree and say Ostfriesland because she was sunk by the US in 1921 as a target for aerial bombing and that's what the film is probably of.
Either way it's remarkable footage and props to the uploader.
@jimmywrangles well i saw pics from the ostlfiseland excercise and it looks damm similar.
othervise blucher is i think the only real posibility because only 2 sinkings of capital ships in ww1 are on film and that is sz istvan and blucher... and considering how close the shot was taken from i think it is from last stages of doger bank battle(if not the ost. bombing)
wow,what a treat,your right,such rare footage as this must not be easy to come by,it gives you a better appreciation for these vessels and there true size and strengh.those who enjoy the studie of such things will be most appreciative of this video,my self included.please keep posting..and never stop looking for this most rare of footage,for each year that passes must surely make it all the more harder to find.
that's not Hood, that would be one of the Queen Elizabeth class Battleships. Hood wasn't commisioned till 1920 and had a different looking superstructure and was much longer.
@HelmutVillam I concure. The same ship is at 3.19 and the superstructure is wrong (too high). Hoods mainmast area was distinctive and different to this ship.
i am sorry to say it but this is all post WW1 when captured and retired ships were used bfor target practice to comply with the 1921 naval treaty. The ship you think is scharnhorst is actually a ostfriesland class battleship. Though with a little imagination you get a sense of what jutland would have been like.
@woofdogmeow However in respect to your knowledge of WW1 ships, I have to remain in contention. I had the BBC view the files and confirm this is not post war footage. I would have to see a source file with exact post war footage to match in order to agree with your statement and relent. Respectfully. I do agree however that yes that may very well not be the Scharnhorst in that shot. It's a tough call and their is a lot of water obscuring the view of her from bow to stern.
Great to see the loading of the german guns @ 2:42. You always come across the american and british versions but rarely the krupp sliding breech. This is my favorite era for battleships. I 've always loved the ram bows, the more varied main gun layouts and the casemated secondary guns.
All that wealth, effort, time and life wasted for the lies of politicians and the lining of the pockets of war profiteers. When we are no longer swayed by the propaganda, the stupid flags, the national hymns and the mindless bleating of the other sheeple, we might actually make a world worth living in. Imagine what we could do with the resources wasted on slaughtering of our fellow man. To hell with all empires in all guises.
The ship at the end of the vid is with out dought a Kaiser class infront of a konig class. There's no way to tell if there in Skapa Flow, but all of both classes (10 ships in all) were there and were most likely filmed in that way.
Thats an amazing collection of WW1 navel footage thanks for showing it. The ship at 1:14 looks to me to be a Helgoland class dreadnought, most likely the ostfriesland being sunk during the US air bombing trials of 1921.
Have to agree with that. I collect WW1 memorabilia and its amazing to me that those items will turn 100 yrs old in 2014. Look for more rare WW1 footage soon from me. Thanks,
I do know that the original audio mentions the Falkland battle and the SMS Scharnhorst. To be fair the video has more sea battle footage from WW1 than I have ever seen. Since you have studied that engagement, do you recall the Scharnhorst being torpedoed by the other ships?? Because the shot I have looks like a torpedo hit. Not to mention the shot just before it shows a torpedo being fired from the deck of a ship.
yea, ive studied von spee and the coronel/falklands battles and I have read the OR's and I havent come across any evidence of video-filming going on during the battle. It would have been impossible for the otranto or Glasgiow to film at coronel because visibility was so poor. If it was filmed at falklands, that would be surprising. I would love to watch the entire footage from that particular video, if i can see the ship before it got fired on I would be able to identify it in an instant
couldnt be the sms scharnhorst because the ships at the beginning of the film are battleships with 15 inch guns and the scharnhorst was sunk at the falkland islands by 2 invincible class battlecruisers that had 12 inch guns
was the opening shot a view of SMS Lützow? Lützow differed from her sisters by still having the tubular foremast until her sinking after taking heavy damage.
wolfakuehlen 2 weeks ago
I suspected that the ship at 3:15 was either an American dreadnought modernized in the 1930s or an American treaty cruiser, based on the superfiring triple turrets and the location of the secondary guns in the foreground. Earlier this morning, I happened to find footage of the U.S. Pacific Fleet conducting battle exercises, and it contains the same frame.
Good stuff, and the music selection was spot-on.
admgway 1 month ago
At 3:11 a three funnelled battleship takes a direct hit ( and the same scene appears earlier too). This is a ship of the Helgoland class and it is more likely that this footage is taken after WW1, when some ships of German navy were sunk as targets. All the same, it is excellent footage and as you say, very little seems to have survived from that ear. Good stuff.
rustohiski 1 month ago
Which place did the battle take place
gowthamps1 1 month ago
these are good, but my are better.
farcry2outlaw 1 month ago
Spectacular footage great find--It's amazing that a weapon from world war 1 is still so fiercely intimidating; even to today's generation.
I can't imagine seeing one of these things for the first time in the 20s I would probably just start running the other direction haha
poorandimmature 2 months ago 2
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Swimming surely
lorri789 1 month ago
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Great WWI footage!! Was looking for ACR-9 South Dakota my Grandfathers ship.
TRWallace1959 3 months ago
Great WWI footage!! Was looking for ACR-9 South Dakota my Grandfathers ship.
TRWallace1959 3 months ago
Amazing footage-I would have loved to have heard/felt those guns shooting. I'm proud to say I had a great Uncle who as in the RN during the battle of Jutland.
5831a 3 months ago
WOW this is great,very rare indeed.Not sure of whose ships or what there names are.
thresher4 3 months ago
old schooool
sheemsheem 4 months ago
all these ships are WW1 However all german ships being hit are gunnery testing from the 1920's. The ships being hit are the Ostfriesland some german cruiser a torpedo boat and the baden. The really grainy vids of the brit ships sailing in line ahead formation MAYBE WW1 footage.The german Battleships beauty shots are obviously WW1 or prewar. I did like the turret crew going through it's routine.
woofdogmeow 4 months ago
@woofdogmeow I rate an excellent analysis, same opinion on seeing the turret crew as well. No need for further comment by me, with exception perhaps to note the few ships shown hit are at a full stop. Clearly targets.
7EMERSON9 3 months ago
put more! its amajzing stuff ;D
belekas71 5 months ago
@chrysanthos66 Because it is from a Medal of Honor game. Good guess.
hxcjeff 5 months ago 4
FRAGIORGIO i thank you for stopping me from being any more stupid
kevinlogie 5 months ago
Thank you for the kind words guys. I want to put out more vids and promise I will soon. Just been very sick for a couple years now.
hxcjeff 5 months ago 2
@hxcjeff Thank you for sharing
jstetzer01 4 months ago
Thanks for this fine offering!
FRAGIORGIO1 5 months ago
for some reason the ships look to complex for WW1 and the and a ship near the begging is from WW2. the guns also look like the guns on the Brismark...anyway it's still good i like
kevinlogie 5 months ago
@kevinlogie Wrong: all WW I. It begins with a "Nassau" type German Dreadnought, followed by a Koenig class beauty. @ 1:00 a Queen Elizabeth WW I type Battleship, followed by shots of Battleships of the Grand Fleet and what look like some UK armoured cruisers being hit. @2:40 an Iron Duke class battleship, and around 3:30 what looks like German battlecruiser Moltke. If anyone finds better clues, please input. It begins and ends with Germans, but almost all Brits in the middle.
FRAGIORGIO1 5 months ago
Nice footage
GreatGardenGnome 6 months ago
Jgmetals81 Thanks so much. Glad you like it.
hxcjeff 6 months ago
anyone who doesn't feel something when they see this .....or who doesn't think the music is appropriate should find another country to live in.
jgmetals81 6 months ago
That's actually the paper/fabric wadding that was the packaging for the large amount of gun powder placed in the breach to fire the projectile. Came out behind the shot.
hxcjeff 6 months ago
music couldn't be better....
jgmetals81 6 months ago
did something go wrong on those guns at 2:35?
jgmetals81 6 months ago
Brilliant, excellant find.
jonagilly 6 months ago
Very well done.
ricronin 6 months ago
damn good
oldsaltization 6 months ago
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oldsaltization 6 months ago
God Bless all our men and women in uniform. Past and present.
californiaengineer 7 months ago
Awesome
muffintyrant 7 months ago
There is some nice footage here! Sadly, none of it is from battles. You're looking at target shoots. The ship sinking at 1:13 (and at least twice later) is probably a german ship - possibly Ostfriesland - being expended as a target.
46142mwalton 8 months ago
strange music...while you witness people dying
WELLBRAN 8 months ago
This is fantastic.
npbyers0401 9 months ago
@gbleong1 I'm sorry , lovey , but that a is preposterous tale .
The ports of Southern Ireland during WW1 were stiff with patrolling Allied warships to defend the Western Approaches , in a scheme which had been exercised for decades , with the expected enemy being the French .
That was why the Lusitania was so close inshore there .
The notion that Scharnhorst could have made a foray against commerce there , with or without her squadron-mates is just not a credible scenario .
zarquon53 9 months ago
1:33 an unforgiving ocean
slim77k 9 months ago
Thank you for uploading this footage, and for keeping the memory of these soldiers alive! Best regards form Argentina!
AKADevious 9 months ago
@AKADevious Thanks and Best Regards!
hxcjeff 9 months ago
@hxcjeff I dont think thats Scharnhorst , the funnels are too short .
I think thats one of the Ostfreisland battleships , post WW1 , and that explosion isn't consistent with a 1914 pattern !2 inch APC shell , the explosive in those is enough to crack the shell into big hunks once it's gone through the armour , no more , despite the efforts of Hollywood special effects-men .
I think that is one of Billy Mitchells aircraft bombs , and this is the infamous " Airpower " demo in the U S .
zarquon53 9 months ago
@zarquon53 Thanks for the comment. Please read the earlier posts though talking about this subject. I relented months ago that it must not be Scharnhorst. Best Regards.
hxcjeff 8 months ago
Thanks for posting this, first time I saw a WWI naval footage. I just love to see the shadows of those dreadnoughts moving through the waves. Powerful images combined with great music, congrats!
BlitzkriegStrategist 9 months ago
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH,A RARE GEM. R.I.P TO ALL VICTIMS OF ALL WARS.
DAVERUKY 9 months ago
@DAVERUKY Thanks very much. Thats appreciated. Yes....may all those killed Rest In Peace.
hxcjeff 9 months ago 3
FANTÁSTICO DOCUMENTO!!! WOW!!!
Godsinwar 10 months ago
@Godsinwar Thanks so much! Glad you liked it.
hxcjeff 9 months ago
I wonder if there is more footage of ww1 somewhere in this world..hidden!
Over 80 years though. =(
MrGeneralJB 10 months ago
@MrGeneralJB I have hours upon hours of raw footage of this war. I doubt 98% of it the public have ever seen it.
hxcjeff 10 months ago
@hxcjeff And you have this? How? I wonder if you could sell these historic pieces to a museum of some sort. Could you answer all these questions?
MrGeneralJB 10 months ago
@MrGeneralJB It's through a family connection actually. I have been talking to the BBC in London about an acquiring the footage. One video documentary company in New York blew their opportunity to get it by not knowing how to negotiate. It's over 26 hours of running footage.
hxcjeff 10 months ago
@hxcjeff Fascinating! Please share more with us, by all means! And Thank you for that.
FRAGIORGIO1 5 months ago
very well done...I am professor of History at Osaka UN Japan..sorry for my bad englash
Dojocho 10 months ago
@Dojocho Honored to meet you Professor and thank you for the kind remark. Arigatou
hxcjeff 10 months ago
I am wondering if the ship shown at 1:17 isnt the Scharnhorst, but rather the surrender german battleship that Gen. Doolittle did his bombing practice on during the 1920's? the reason I say this is that it appears the ship is not underway. I may be wrong but i cant see enough of the ship to make and accurate ID on it. Otherwise its a great job! I wish there was some way to see more, if any has survived through the years.
dlharwood 10 months ago
@dlharwood Well, apparently it isn't. In a previous conversation on this page it was pointed out to me that it could not be the Scharnhorst. I relented. lol So that's a good eye on your part.
hxcjeff 10 months ago
Is that Von Der Tann near the end?
thebes56 10 months ago
@thebes56 Not sure.
hxcjeff 10 months ago
thats how you showed off your nations prestige at that time your mighty navy
21Blitz 11 months ago
if you want to be technical about ww1 battleship gun sizes, most of the modern ships at the time carried 12 and 14 inch guns, with the newest ships at jutland carrying 15 inch.. as an experiment.. the british battlecruiser furious(later converted to an aircraft carrier) carried two 18 inch(!!) guns in single mountings fore and aft, and saw action near the end of the war.. but it was considered impractical at the time and abandoned...
the japanese nagato class first carried 16 inch guns in 1920
edoerner 11 months ago
Thanks
tigerarmyrule 11 months ago
Damn. Have those 16 inch guns not changed in 100 years?
Spankydaham924 1 year ago
@Spankydaham924 world war I battleships did not have 16 inch guns, not american battleships anyway, the most they had were 14 inch guns, the 16 inch guns were first introduced with the iowa class battle ship, after world war I
MARINECORPS1251 11 months ago
@MARINECORPS1251 Oh. well OKAY Mr. Smarty pants ;). Its kinda hard to tell though. What I mean is that the whole system hasnt really changed at all.
Spankydaham924 11 months ago
@Spankydaham924 :P battleships arent even used anymore, the last time a battleship was used was in operation desert storm in the 1990s, and the last battleship in the navy reserve fleet was decommissioned in 2006, and battle ships have not been produced by any country since world war II, after the sinking of the japanese yamato, which is the largest battle ship ever built
MARINECORPS1251 11 months ago
@MARINECORPS1251 My dad served on the Iowa. I think they've made a Museum out of it. Cant wait till we take a trip out to Cali to go see it. I know my fair share too cuz my dad's a 20 year Navy Vet.
Spankydaham924 11 months ago
@Spankydaham924 yes they did make it into a museum,
MARINECORPS1251 11 months ago
@Spankydaham924 the sad thing is, im 17 and i know all this, and A LOT more, i have read history books, and watched documentaries on military history in my own spare time, i use to be a major history nerd, but not anymore, now i dont really care lol
MARINECORPS1251 11 months ago
@Spankydaham924 no im not a nerd
MARINECORPS1251 11 months ago
@MARINECORPS1251 The Colorado class had eight 16 inch x 45's (Colorado, Maryland & Washington (BB47)) keels laid down in 1920.
The Iowa Class had nine 16 inch x 50's (Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri & Wisconsin) keels laid in 1940.
The South Dakota Class also had 16 inch x 50's (South Dakota, Indiana, Massachusetts, & Alabama) keels laid in 1942.
Also the North Carolina Class had 16 inch x 45's (North Carolina and Washington (BB56)) keels laid in 1941.
RoadCaptainEntertain 3 months ago
Insightful video clip! Thumbs up!
creamofcardstv 1 year ago
Thx for posting this footage.
Lionwolf0777 1 year ago
No Wait! @2:39 @3:09 that battle cruiser doesn't look WWI to me! More like WWII Bismarck type...
alxxz 1 year ago
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alxxz 1 year ago
Apologies if this is already mentioned;
The ship with the added quip "Looks like SMS Scharnhorst under fire" is of course the the battleship SMS Ostriesland which after having been given to the USA after the war was finally expended as an aerial test target.
sftommy01 1 year ago
What song is this?
Ackleykid101 1 year ago
@Ackleykid101 Its from the Medal of Honor Game soundtrack.
hxcjeff 1 year ago
Great video... what was this song???? I love it!
Ackleykid101 1 year ago
It is amazing that the UK was able to have over 150 ships at Jutland and over 30 battleships. Sad that the RN is down to something like only 35 ships now despite having a much larger population. I guess that's what happens when your defense budget goes from 20% in 1910 to 6% of total today.
Empedocles1232007 1 year ago
who have won the battle of the jutlands germany ore great brittian. you hear sow many diverent things the brittisch have lost more men and boats than the germans and after the battle the grand fleet never dare to leave scapa flow even when germans boats attacks brittisch coast and you have people are saying somthing else
Voske2 1 year ago
@Voske2 Germany won the engagement but German politics (The Kaiser) gave Britain the win by not letting the German fleet leave port again whereas the British Admiral Jellice reported his fleet ready to put to sea within 24 hours of the battle and never relented control of the seaways.
The Kaiser made a mistake,like Hitler he never really understood the value of his navy or how to best use it.
We can all be thankful for that.
jimmywrangles 1 year ago
@jimmywrangles
No-one won, it was inclusive.
Of all the ships lost on both sides only HMS Queen Mary and
SMS Lutzow were missed the rest were tactically insignificant
However, Britain commanded the sea before and after Jutland
Many Germans mutinied very near the end of the war because they feared a final all out battle with the Royal navy
ToonandBBfan 1 year ago
@ToonandBBfan I wasn't counting ships at all.
It's the men who where missed not the ships and by that token Germany won the engagement in my opinion.
Our posts show perfectly how the battle was percieved in the day and how easy it was for confusion to arise over a victor.
In actuality we're both right.
Germany lost fewer ships and men but the balance of power didn't shift at all so....what was the point?
For all the good they achieved both fleets may of well have stayed in port.
jimmywrangles 1 year ago
@jimmywrangles
I agree there.
Admiral Scheer wrote in his post action report "We must never do this again - the British will wipe us out".
All that money Britain spent on its huge battlefleet and it only got into 1 real fight!
ToonandBBfan 1 year ago
5 stars all the way thank u for putting sone true footage on here oh & the music went great with it
ProPorchMonkey 1 year ago
Amazing video, what a treat!! Thank you so much. By the way, was that HMS Tiger steaming at 0:58? Also, do you know if the battleship being straddled at 3:17-3:19 HMS Warspite or another Queen Elizabeth class under fire at Jutland? I'm just a little puzzled because it appears the turrets are trained fore and aft, but it's clearly a British capital ship under fire. Thanks!
optimizersolver 1 year ago
@optimizersolver I think its a QE class at 0:58, Im not sure about the others.
Cheers.
LEOjunk 1 year ago
I love these beasts :)
Noting better than a dreadnought broadside ;)
Jeroen72 1 year ago
you look at it and see men moving and to know that not one of them is alive today it will soon happen to our WW 2 vets and not that far for us vet-N vets time marches on
hopatease1 1 year ago
Interesting video and conversation.
I agree with woofdogmeow but only after extensive research.
The video is clear enough to show the ships bow and because of that I have to say it's not the Scharnhorst, the Scharnhorsts bow was not uniformly raked backwards as is the case with this ship, Scharnhorst had a partially raked bow that was vertical as it joined the deck and i can clearly see this isn't the case in the clip.
Do I get a prize ?...:)
Awesome video,thanks for the upload.
jimmywrangles 1 year ago
@jimmywrangles Okay...I relent. A good sport knows when hes licked. I bow to both yours and woofdogmeows knowledge of First World War ships. Us WW2 boys should stay in our place or at least our time period that is. Yes, you win the prize!! What that is as of yet...I don't know. lol Thanks for the kind comments. More to come.
hxcjeff 1 year ago
@hxcjeff LOL,sorry if i sounded like a know it all,WW2 battleships are my thing as well,it's easier to find good picturesso research is a bit easier and i've actually been on board the USS Missouri a long time ago so the WW2 beasts have always been my favorites.
Any footage you have is much appreciated.
jimmywrangles 1 year ago
@jimmywrangles i think it is a footage of german battleship Osfiserland or something like that....she was sunked after ww1 in air excercise.
another posibility is a german ac cruiser blucher
janak19771977 1 year ago
@janak19771977 Not enough is visible in my opinion to hazard a guess as to what class it is so I didn't take one.
If pushed I'd have to agree and say Ostfriesland because she was sunk by the US in 1921 as a target for aerial bombing and that's what the film is probably of.
Either way it's remarkable footage and props to the uploader.
jimmywrangles 1 year ago
@jimmywrangles well i saw pics from the ostlfiseland excercise and it looks damm similar.
othervise blucher is i think the only real posibility because only 2 sinkings of capital ships in ww1 are on film and that is sz istvan and blucher... and considering how close the shot was taken from i think it is from last stages of doger bank battle(if not the ost. bombing)
janak19771977 1 year ago
wow,what a treat,your right,such rare footage as this must not be easy to come by,it gives you a better appreciation for these vessels and there true size and strengh.those who enjoy the studie of such things will be most appreciative of this video,my self included.please keep posting..and never stop looking for this most rare of footage,for each year that passes must surely make it all the more harder to find.
soledweller 1 year ago
@soledweller Thanks so much. I am going to post some more rare footage soon.
hxcjeff 1 year ago
Medal of Honor music, im awstruck T_T.
Usuck573 1 year ago
@2;42 German gun loading sequence probably a 12"50cal great vid.
elswick1542 1 year ago
@elswick1542
Krupp sliding breech unmistakable!!
HelmutVillam 1 year ago
Whatever it is, there is some fine footage there, thanks!
CaptBubble 1 year ago
Outstanding footage!
Gunboatjingoist 1 year ago
HMS Hood at 2:56! Only for a split second but what a sight she is =)
Great vid m8, music suits it well
Nemesis1024 1 year ago
@Nemesis1024 Thanks so much. Glad you like it. More coming soon.
hxcjeff 1 year ago
@Nemesis1024
that's not Hood, that would be one of the Queen Elizabeth class Battleships. Hood wasn't commisioned till 1920 and had a different looking superstructure and was much longer.
HelmutVillam 1 year ago
@HelmutVillam I concure. The same ship is at 3.19 and the superstructure is wrong (too high). Hoods mainmast area was distinctive and different to this ship.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
very good vid, i like to watch it listening the schubert military march.
cznery 1 year ago
i am sorry to say it but this is all post WW1 when captured and retired ships were used bfor target practice to comply with the 1921 naval treaty. The ship you think is scharnhorst is actually a ostfriesland class battleship. Though with a little imagination you get a sense of what jutland would have been like.
woofdogmeow 1 year ago
@woofdogmeow However in respect to your knowledge of WW1 ships, I have to remain in contention. I had the BBC view the files and confirm this is not post war footage. I would have to see a source file with exact post war footage to match in order to agree with your statement and relent. Respectfully. I do agree however that yes that may very well not be the Scharnhorst in that shot. It's a tough call and their is a lot of water obscuring the view of her from bow to stern.
hxcjeff 1 year ago
@hxcjeff The shots you are debating show the USS Ostfriesland (as she became) being used as a bombing target For Mitchells demonstrations in 1921.
One point, There was no Ostfriesland class, she was of the Helgoland class.
I think you have a mixture of prewar,war time and post war footage here.
Hope that all helps..
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
Great to see the loading of the german guns @ 2:42. You always come across the american and british versions but rarely the krupp sliding breech. This is my favorite era for battleships. I 've always loved the ram bows, the more varied main gun layouts and the casemated secondary guns.
mzwere1 1 year ago
loved your video good job thanks
142maj 1 year ago
Thanks a bunch.
hxcjeff 1 year ago
All that wealth, effort, time and life wasted for the lies of politicians and the lining of the pockets of war profiteers. When we are no longer swayed by the propaganda, the stupid flags, the national hymns and the mindless bleating of the other sheeple, we might actually make a world worth living in. Imagine what we could do with the resources wasted on slaughtering of our fellow man. To hell with all empires in all guises.
KaptKan1 2 years ago
And yet to ignore it is to repeat the same mistakes; only more horrifically as technology has moved on a LOT since then.
crocosnz 2 years ago
Great vid, this is the battle of Jutland?
filtro6 2 years ago
Its actually a mixture of a few different battles. Some Jutland footage may be involved.
hxcjeff 2 years ago
Sorry, word fascist, i ment doubt. Oh and only teenage girls write lol
mightyrighty1 2 years ago
The ship at the end of the vid is with out dought a Kaiser class infront of a konig class. There's no way to tell if there in Skapa Flow, but all of both classes (10 ships in all) were there and were most likely filmed in that way.
mightyrighty1 2 years ago
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what the fuck is dought>? lol
chessplayer21 2 years ago
Was the ship at the very end of the video one of the Kaiser class in Scapa Flow?
ToonandBBfan 2 years ago
Magnificent,some of the greatest ships of all time.
elswick1542 2 years ago
Thats an amazing collection of WW1 navel footage thanks for showing it. The ship at 1:14 looks to me to be a Helgoland class dreadnought, most likely the ostfriesland being sunk during the US air bombing trials of 1921.
mightyrighty1 2 years ago
I agree with you, thats Billy Mitchell bombing Ostfriesland.
ToonandBBfan 2 years ago
what is the music to this video?
HelmutVillam 2 years ago
Its the soundtrack to one of the Medal of Honor Video games.
hxcjeff 2 years ago
Certainly is powerful stuff. To think we are nearly at the cetenary of the outbreak of ww1. Thanks for posting.
MackerelCat 2 years ago
Have to agree with that. I collect WW1 memorabilia and its amazing to me that those items will turn 100 yrs old in 2014. Look for more rare WW1 footage soon from me. Thanks,
Jeff
hxcjeff 2 years ago
yeah how crazy is it watching film thats almost 100 years old
014649 2 years ago
I do know that the original audio mentions the Falkland battle and the SMS Scharnhorst. To be fair the video has more sea battle footage from WW1 than I have ever seen. Since you have studied that engagement, do you recall the Scharnhorst being torpedoed by the other ships?? Because the shot I have looks like a torpedo hit. Not to mention the shot just before it shows a torpedo being fired from the deck of a ship.
hxcjeff 2 years ago
yea, ive studied von spee and the coronel/falklands battles and I have read the OR's and I havent come across any evidence of video-filming going on during the battle. It would have been impossible for the otranto or Glasgiow to film at coronel because visibility was so poor. If it was filmed at falklands, that would be surprising. I would love to watch the entire footage from that particular video, if i can see the ship before it got fired on I would be able to identify it in an instant
oberltMBowden23 2 years ago
couldnt be the sms scharnhorst because the ships at the beginning of the film are battleships with 15 inch guns and the scharnhorst was sunk at the falkland islands by 2 invincible class battlecruisers that had 12 inch guns
oberltMBowden23 2 years ago
That one shot may not be SMS Scharnhorst, hard to tell.
hxcjeff 2 years ago
Glad you guys like it :)
hxcjeff 2 years ago
fantastic video
HelmutVillam 2 years ago
Wow! Thanks for this!
ml191172 2 years ago