after shemp and curly died i didn like joe besser that much i though curly joe was better bt i do agree with ppl the two joe wasnt that good bt hey they didn really have a choice bk then rite around shemp died the stooges contraced was up and they wnt to movies and joe besser wasin really with them long like when joe derita was he jst in the movies im glad he wasn in the shots he better (joe derita) in the movies
Moe, Curly, Larry, Shemp & Curly-Joe are good as the stooges, but it's hard to me to apologized Joe Besser, he never acted as the real stooge.....BTW my favorite stooge is Moe. Viva Shemp!!!
@MrAli1796 In 1955 Shemp died. The 3 Stooges still owed Columbia four shorts by contract. Producer Jules White shot new footage of Moe & Larry & edited it together with bits recycled from previous shorts & stock footage (both of which included Shemp). When continuity required that Shemp appear in these new scenes, a fake stood in for him, appearing only from behind or with an object obscuring his face. They also dubbed in audio of Shemp's voice although occasionally its the fake's actual voice.
@Eminemflocka There is no fake Shemp. Shemp died in Nov. 55 and the Stooges shoot there films one after the other so they could do personnel appearances and also appear at the theaters that were showing there shorts. Being under contract still they had to find a replacement to complete it.
Shemp came before Curley.......then Curley came back.........Joe Besser and Joe Derita didn't cut it my book as they refused to be "beat" upon by Moe..........
@DEZZIS51 Moe began working for Ted Healey as his stooge. At one show Shemp was in the audience & Moe saw him and yelled out, Shemp came on stage, did a routine & Ted hired him. Next they were in Chicago& picked up Larry who was playing violin. The three stayed at odds with Ted over billing, money etc& Shemp quit, Ted wanted a replacement, so Moe got Curly. Then all three quit Ted. Shemp had a solo career and Moe wanted him back temporarily as Curly recovered from stroke but Curly finally died.
@Barrymit yeah Lugosi died very early in the film and a double was used the rest of the way who kept his face covered with his cape. Shemp died with four shorts left on the contract for the year so they used old footage mixed with new footage and a double for Shemp. The next year they hired Joe Besser, then Columbia dumped them. Moe wanted to go on the road with personal appearences and Joe didn't so they got Joe DeRita. The shorts were released to TV & that led to feature film work with DeRita.
So, we're seeing Shemp's stand-in. Stand-ins were like stunt doubles, who didn't necessarily do any dangerous stunts. A stand-in could be filmed from behind, when the actual actor was taking a break, or was evidentally dead in this case. Stand-ins were also used, along with split screen effects, when someone was supposed to have a double in a story.
I am one of an admitted minority that far prefers Shemp to Curly. Curly was a perpetual punching bag and Shemp often fought back in hilarious fashion. He also had tremendous bits of his own.
The reality of it all will always be the comedic genius of Moe. Most would agree that Shemp was at least a viable replacement, but the loss of Moe would have ended the Stooges permanently.
The execs at Columbia were money grubbers. But, I think that Shemp had the impossible task of replacing Curly. He did an amazing job. He could have just imitated Curly, but he had his own thing and his own catch phrases. He was perfect, but of course, he was an original stooge, so it shouldn't be surprising. The Stooges (Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shemp) are amongst the best comedic acts of all time. I just love those guys!!!
I thought Shemp looked a lot better in these shorts. Seriously, this must've been hellish for Moe and Larry, who'd worked with Shemp long before bringing Curly in to replace him when he left to build his own career, appearing in good movies and making his own shorts. After Curly's head-blow-induced strokes, Shemp rejoined the Stooges for Moe's sake. After Shemp died, Buddy Hackett spent a day onset watching them beat each other with rubber wrenches and turned down their invitation to join.
So, all these scenes were done after shemp died? There were a bunch of shorts that they did and weren't finnished and then they did the missing scenes after his death?
@gritnom What Columbia did was film a few new scenes with Larry, Moe and fake Shemp than spliced in scenes from older shorts that Moe Larry and Shemp made and then release it as a "new" short. In the Joe Besser years, Columbia occasionally would splice in old footage of Curly doing some action stunt to sub for Joe as by then the budgets were for the shorts were very low.
If you looked at his stature he is larger then Shemp was. he was always hunched over in this short. I never really recall as a kid if i ever noticed this or not. I probably did. I dunno. Kinda wierd.
@HACKERSUCK12121212 Yes, The reason they didn't want to have their faces seen, so the public at that time, thought that Shemp was still alive. Bonus, They also spoke but only like the signature eep-eep-eep and other one words
@raycookguitar3 - By the 1950s, a lot of the Stooge shorts were re-using footage from older shorts to save money. So after Shemp died, they just kept doing that, and using Joe Palma for the few scenes where they needed to shoot new footage.
@TheDoglover777 Shemp passed away in 1955 so in simple terms, you're seeing a "double" who was used in the rest of the films that Shemp originally was going to be in.
@johnny556lawarence yes it is. The year Shemp died Columbia had promised 8 Stooge shorts. Only 4 had been shot so and the Stooges had already been using old footage to cut down on the amout of film they needed to shot. So with Shemp gone and 4 shorts to go this happaned.
Poor Shemp. Even before these horrible "Fake Shemps", so many of his shorts had become re-makes and re-used old footage. I think the budget cuts at Columbia did more to tarnish his reputation as a stooge then his acting ability.
I am seeing in other sources that the Stooges had to make some more shorts before Joe Besser arrived. With the real Shemp now deceased, we end up having this "fake Shemp" stuff, with us not getting a good look at the face of the actor playing Shemp. In one case in this video, I can stop it to get a side view of that actor's face, but if you don't stop the video, that is a VERY short look.
I tend to feel sorry for Joe Palma.Can imagine,after Harry Cohn told Moe and Larry that they were going to finish the Shemp series,calling Joe Palma in and telling him "you're Shemp".Had to be a bit demoralizing to him,knowing damned well that he wasnt really being auditioned for being a Stooge.Adds a bit to the story though.
That is just terrible. One of the first clues is the fact that "Shemp" in these scenes almost always has his back to the camera, which was not common practice in show business those days for an actor to ever do. In the scene where he's carrying the tools you can tell they overdubbed the real Shemp's voice into the scene probably from an older episode.
Joe palma was a stunt man who did sit ins for shemp, he also took over for him when shemp died in 1955, some of the shorts werent finished and palma was shemps double
shemp and curly were great. only joe besser and joe derita were terrible they weren't related. larry wasn't but he knew moe and shemp. dont kill me for liking shemp, I know alot of you hate him, but curly was his brother and so was moe.
Yea, I used to not like Shemp either but have great respect for him after I found out that he was actually one of the original stooges before Curly, and basically returned to the act to save Moe and Larry's careers.
@dougs121 : yeah, I never understood all the "anti-shemp" sentiment either. Curly had a stroke in about 1949. Shemp was "asked" to join the stooges.....he actually saved their act. Shemp already had a career in films doing bit parts with big stars such as abbott and costello etc.. What I liked about shemp is that he never tried to be a fake Curly....he had his own style....and the way he would start "chirping" always cracked me up.
It wouldnt make any sense for Shemp to try and be a fake Curly because Shemp was there first. Curly was a replacement for Shemp. BTW Moe, Shemp and Curly were brothers in real life.
@dougs121 You fail to realize that Joe Besser was brought on to complete the contract and with Joe DeRita,The whole act was tamed down. This was not the fault of either comic
@dougs121 There is no reason to apologize for that. Shemp is every bit as funny as Curly was, just a different style is all. I know it is Shemp's most well known short, but all you Shemp haters cannot tell me that "Brideless Groom" is not hilarious, and the reason it works so well is Shemp's quirks!
@pesmith8768 Wish Shemp and his brother Curly could have worked together but they never did aside from a single post-stroke scene. Even finding photos of them together is almost as tough as finding a picture of Lon Chaney, Sr. and Lon Chaney, Jr. together (I've never seen a snapshot of the two Chaneys as adults). While we're at it, Douglas Fairbanks never made a film with his son even though they worked concurrently for a while.
@Onlymusical try Three Stooges- Curly Cameo and see if that is not Curly pre-stroke (and pre-haircut). It should be the second one down on the right of this. If that was done post-stroke he looks damn good
@boothl232 Yes, this was definitely Curly post-stroke. Shemp didn't rejoin the group and make any shorts at all until Curly retired due to the strokes. He looks better than ever with some hair and less weight but you'll notice he's sitting down and doesn't actually speak, just makes one of the signature Curly sounds instead. It must've thrilled audiences out of their minds for him to suddenly pop up in with the other Stooges that way unless it had been heavily publicized beforehand.
I also even thought that Joe Besser was cool, but yeah Shemp and Curly are right up there as equals. Poor Joe De Rita is right on there at the bottom but I've learned to love him too Its hard to knock a stooge.
@dougs121 You are not alone! I thought Shemp was so cool! He was part of the orginal Stooges and he left and was replaced by Curly who shaved his head for that role until he suffered a stroke!
@dougs121 I really have not seen much of the "Joe DeRita years", as their format at that time was feature length movies, but I do think Joe D. was a big improvement over Joe Besser. Besser was such a wuss - "that huurts!", "cut it ouut!" - he wasn't even funny, or have original bits like Curly & Shemp. DerRita, at least, wasn't annoying, and seemed a likable sort.
@dougs121 I agree with u. My all time favorite third stooges, is Curly and Shemp, after Shemp died, Larry and Moe should have retired. Joe Besser and Joe Besser made the stooges very lame.
2:17 I remember seeing that scene and thinking it's fishy an actor would cover their face.
Btw, the Stooges have an excuse, they were forced to do it, and there was no other way. Sam Raimi is just unprofessional, doesn't take his job serious, slap any old crap together and call it a movie.
I take it back, the Grudge was good, though not as good as Ju On. At least he didn't mix slapstick in with the serious stuff, for that one. Like oil and water, they don't mix. Everything else of Raimi's is like that, unprofessional mish mosh, pish posh. Lucy Lawless made Xena watchable. "Yite Yite Yite Yite Yite Yite Yite Yite!"
Gotta love stock footage for remakes. They did one with Joe Besser taking over Shemp's role as (I believe) a door-to-door clothing salesman. Jealous husband Moe thinks Joe is having an affair with Moe's wife and fires a gun up the chimney where Joe is hiding, but you hear Shemp yell in pain. In another one (or the same?) you can plainly see Shemp's framed photograph in the backround in the stock footage.
Yep they did! It was all about cost-cutting. And since the shorts weren't being shown on TV yet, it was years between an original story and its remake. They reused footage from the Curly years in a Joe Besser short, for example. Oil's Well That Ends Well, (IIRC) was the title of a Besser remake, about the boys finding an oil well under a dry water well. *Curly's* stunt double is seen being lifted up on a geyser, which Larry calls an ink well, but Moe corrects him calling it "earl" (oil).
They were trying to bide some time until a replacement could be found for Shemp. The Stooges had a contract with Columbia to release 8 shorts in 1956, and only 4 had been completed before Shemp's death. BTW, you did leave out a small scene from COMMOTION ON THE OCEAN which was inserted among the footage from CRIME ON THEIR HANDS. It shows Palma covering his face while Moe slaps Larry.
Not sure why Stooges fans are down on Joe Besser. The guy had to try to fill the shoes of a great comedian, which Shemp certainly was. But rather than to try to be another Shemp, he did his own thing his own way and gave Moe & Larry a way to present their own comedy in new ways. During that period, they WERE The 3 Stooges and they were damn funny, and not meant to be compared to any other period in their career. Besser kept the act going and he did a GREAT job ! God bless him!
Well, I suppose if I was replacing two guys who died young in an act where they were pounded in the head for laughs, I might refuse to be hit also. Moe always said the punches and smacks were fake. Watch Larry's interview, (after his stroke) and you'll hear Larry swear that the punches etc. that many of those were real. He should know. Besser was a good stooge. Period.
Besser sucked. And it wasn't so much about him being different from Shemp, because Curly was different from Shemp as well, and he was the most popular. It's just that they FIT better as Stooges. Besser didn't.
As for not wanting to be hit or slapped, that's what the Stooges were ABOUT. How are you going to be a Stooge, but refuse to be slapped? That's like being a comedian and refusing to tell jokes.
I never heard about the fake Shemp espisodes, but its pretty obvious here. You never see his face, and obviously trying to hide it. I guess that's what you do when you have to.
Yes once the Shemp double is pointed out it all made sense for those particular features like when he's only seen from behind with little or no responding and especially in the feature where they at the begining had worn beards and then Shemp was sent by Moe to go after a suspicious looking woman and he responds "Right!"Then Moe and Larry upon take off their beards and upon entering an office & being told to make themselves at home by one army secretary are then being obnoxious to both of them.
Moe really had a hard time I suppose. Brother Curly had a stroke, but the boys were still under contract with Columbia. They got Shemp to return to the act and then he passes away. The boys were still under contract. Therefore the paste and cut with fake shemps. Contract again...Joe Besser, then Curly Joe...after Larry passes, Emil Ditka steps in....of course this was on the stage only.
Me too! Joe Besser was a drag! The impossible to be around kid down the block always wrecking my fun with his two hot sisters looked and talked just like him.
I could think up things to say that would make him cry
( You little Jerkus, I'm gonna EAT YOUR DOG!!,) but he'd always get my goat.
This is really sad to watch. Though not as beloved by fans as Curly, Shemp was probably the funniest Howard off-camera. Who in his right mind would think he could be replaced by the back of someone's head.
Were these shorts made entirely with a fake Shemp, or were they partially completed shorts before Shemp Howards death and required a couple of scenes with a body double to complete an episode? Man if they were made as entire episodes its just plain wrong.
they were re-makes of old shorts with mostly stock footage. They were made to finish Shemp's contract with the studio for 1956. Unfortunatly remakes were common a that time, as they were basically filler material between features and were made on a small budget. They never figured they would be scritnized that closely.
Shemp was very under rated. He had his own career in short films at the time Curly had his stroke. He pretty much joined the stooges as a favor to moe and curly. (shemp is moe's real life brother...so was Curly
wow...this is REALLY interesting....I could usually always tell when they used a stunt double but I never knew about the fake shemps.....WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE...is introduce him as a whole new character like Shemps cousin.....call him "cousin Slemp" or something
There were 4 fake Shemp shorts made after his demise. Shemp's stand in was long time Stooges stock player Joe Palma. He started in the Curly era and went all the way through Besser. Very sad that these were even made.
Those shorts were like the original Weekend at Bernie's. I can't believe they would make these when the audience would have heard in the news that Shemp had died. Who would have been fooled by such an obvious impostor? Did they really think anyone would find something so bizarre and macabre funny?
The only way this could be worse is if the bosses at Columbia put a pair of sunglasses on Shemp's corpse and had Moe and Larry drag the body around as if he were still alive. Even as a kid I always though something was "off" about these particular shorts. Excellent job, thepittvp. Sad for Moe and Larry. And Joe Palma, because THIS is his legacy.
Unfortunately the death of Shemp brought in the crappiest era of the stooges the besser-derita years. Joe Besser acted /was a queer and Curly Joe Derita despised the act. Shemps corpse being drug around wouldve been an improvement.
I can't believe Columbia could have been so crass....I bet it broke Moe and Larry's hearts having to pretend Shemp was still alive just to make a lousy short.
The Shemp double in the scene at 1:55 isn't Joe Palma. That was actually reused footage from VAGABOND LOAFERS which was made when Shemp was still alive. I guess they used a double for that scene because they didn't want Shemp to get hurt falling off the high bed.
At least they had the sense to dub in Shemp's voices in a couple places. Why they didn't bother doing it in the rest of the places (requiring Palma to do a very bad imitation of Shemp's voice), I don't know.
Hey, thanks for posting this. I've been trying to catch the all of the fake shemp scenes for a long time. It's stunnig that they forced Moe to make three more shorts to fulfill the contract, despite 1/3 of the act being dead.What a dirty business.
To me Shemp was the sexiest stooge ever.
Moreno1Melissa 19 hours ago
One fake Shemp dislaked this video!
ericinwisconsin 2 months ago
after shemp and curly died i didn like joe besser that much i though curly joe was better bt i do agree with ppl the two joe wasnt that good bt hey they didn really have a choice bk then rite around shemp died the stooges contraced was up and they wnt to movies and joe besser wasin really with them long like when joe derita was he jst in the movies im glad he wasn in the shots he better (joe derita) in the movies
Munsterboi1313 3 months ago
Count me as a Shemp guy. I always considered him "The Thinking Man's Stooge".
EaglesMan36 4 months ago
Count me as a Shemp guy. I always considered him "The Thinking Man's Stooge".
EaglesMan36 4 months ago
Legalize Shemp & Just say Moe!
MaceMn 5 months ago
Moe: Shemp. That damn looks suspicious. You better follow her.
Shemp: Eeb-bee-bee-be-bee
thegoosebrain 6 months ago
A phenomenal moment in cinema history... and a little creepy! Thanks very much for all your work!
johnclavis 6 months ago
omg this is so sad. poor shemp
skyler0248 6 months ago
Moe, Curly, Larry, Shemp & Curly-Joe are good as the stooges, but it's hard to me to apologized Joe Besser, he never acted as the real stooge.....BTW my favorite stooge is Moe. Viva Shemp!!!
1234Stooges 6 months ago
i have a question that why were fake shemps in these scenes?
MrAli1796 7 months ago
@MrAli1796 In 1955 Shemp died. The 3 Stooges still owed Columbia four shorts by contract. Producer Jules White shot new footage of Moe & Larry & edited it together with bits recycled from previous shorts & stock footage (both of which included Shemp). When continuity required that Shemp appear in these new scenes, a fake stood in for him, appearing only from behind or with an object obscuring his face. They also dubbed in audio of Shemp's voice although occasionally its the fake's actual voice.
Eminemflocka 7 months ago 4
@Eminemflocka There is no fake Shemp. Shemp died in Nov. 55 and the Stooges shoot there films one after the other so they could do personnel appearances and also appear at the theaters that were showing there shorts. Being under contract still they had to find a replacement to complete it.
keaton1895 4 months ago
I think in one scene, Shemp's voice was dubbed when the fake Shemp was in a scene.
saints093 7 months ago
Shemp.....guard the door. Eeeb-be-be-bee-beee
thegoosebrain 8 months ago 2
@thegoosebrain
Shemp was hilarious!
darthroden 6 months ago
Shemp came before Curley.......then Curley came back.........Joe Besser and Joe Derita didn't cut it my book as they refused to be "beat" upon by Moe..........
DEZZIS51 9 months ago
@DEZZIS51 Moe began working for Ted Healey as his stooge. At one show Shemp was in the audience & Moe saw him and yelled out, Shemp came on stage, did a routine & Ted hired him. Next they were in Chicago& picked up Larry who was playing violin. The three stayed at odds with Ted over billing, money etc& Shemp quit, Ted wanted a replacement, so Moe got Curly. Then all three quit Ted. Shemp had a solo career and Moe wanted him back temporarily as Curly recovered from stroke but Curly finally died.
boblackey1 8 months ago
What is a fake shemp
Awesomedude12335 9 months ago
@Awesomedude12335 LOL
thegoosebrain 8 months ago
It's like in Plan 9 From Outer Space where a double was used for Bela Lugosi and you easily tell.
Barrymit 10 months ago
@Barrymit yeah Lugosi died very early in the film and a double was used the rest of the way who kept his face covered with his cape. Shemp died with four shorts left on the contract for the year so they used old footage mixed with new footage and a double for Shemp. The next year they hired Joe Besser, then Columbia dumped them. Moe wanted to go on the road with personal appearences and Joe didn't so they got Joe DeRita. The shorts were released to TV & that led to feature film work with DeRita.
boblackey1 8 months ago
Wow. I grew up with the stooges. I still watch the stooges. Yet, I never knew about fake shemp!
sweetsodaman 10 months ago
gotta say though, they did do a well enough job hiding his face/and timeing
21Blitz 10 months ago
that must of been hard for Moe and Larry to do this kinda stuff after he died, dam i would be
21Blitz 10 months ago
shemp was cool.
OreoMan951 11 months ago
shemp was the worst of the three
curly will always be numero uno
jflash214 11 months ago
So, we're seeing Shemp's stand-in. Stand-ins were like stunt doubles, who didn't necessarily do any dangerous stunts. A stand-in could be filmed from behind, when the actual actor was taking a break, or was evidentally dead in this case. Stand-ins were also used, along with split screen effects, when someone was supposed to have a double in a story.
Teflon65 1 year ago
I am one of an admitted minority that far prefers Shemp to Curly. Curly was a perpetual punching bag and Shemp often fought back in hilarious fashion. He also had tremendous bits of his own.
The reality of it all will always be the comedic genius of Moe. Most would agree that Shemp was at least a viable replacement, but the loss of Moe would have ended the Stooges permanently.
rogerrodd 1 year ago
The execs at Columbia were money grubbers. But, I think that Shemp had the impossible task of replacing Curly. He did an amazing job. He could have just imitated Curly, but he had his own thing and his own catch phrases. He was perfect, but of course, he was an original stooge, so it shouldn't be surprising. The Stooges (Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shemp) are amongst the best comedic acts of all time. I just love those guys!!!
mleeman11 1 year ago
I thought Shemp looked a lot better in these shorts. Seriously, this must've been hellish for Moe and Larry, who'd worked with Shemp long before bringing Curly in to replace him when he left to build his own career, appearing in good movies and making his own shorts. After Curly's head-blow-induced strokes, Shemp rejoined the Stooges for Moe's sake. After Shemp died, Buddy Hackett spent a day onset watching them beat each other with rubber wrenches and turned down their invitation to join.
Onlymusical 1 year ago
So, all these scenes were done after shemp died? There were a bunch of shorts that they did and weren't finnished and then they did the missing scenes after his death?
gritnom 1 year ago
@gritnom What Columbia did was film a few new scenes with Larry, Moe and fake Shemp than spliced in scenes from older shorts that Moe Larry and Shemp made and then release it as a "new" short. In the Joe Besser years, Columbia occasionally would splice in old footage of Curly doing some action stunt to sub for Joe as by then the budgets were for the shorts were very low.
charcas67 11 months ago
If you looked at his stature he is larger then Shemp was. he was always hunched over in this short. I never really recall as a kid if i ever noticed this or not. I probably did. I dunno. Kinda wierd.
jazzynet1 1 year ago
so the way u know it's a fake shemp is with his back turned ?
HACKERSUCK12121212 1 year ago
@HACKERSUCK12121212 Yes, The reason they didn't want to have their faces seen, so the public at that time, thought that Shemp was still alive. Bonus, They also spoke but only like the signature eep-eep-eep and other one words
SamoanFun 1 year ago
oooo so malice in the palace wasn't actual shemp :( that's really sad i loved that episode alot :(((
HACKERSUCK12121212 1 year ago
the two stooge............not three because shemp is fake......
Deklay03 1 year ago
i have seen these shorts and the show shemps face and it is actually him... how come he is in some of it????
raycookguitar3 1 year ago
@raycookguitar3 - By the 1950s, a lot of the Stooge shorts were re-using footage from older shorts to save money. So after Shemp died, they just kept doing that, and using Joe Palma for the few scenes where they needed to shoot new footage.
Jaclyn1978 1 year ago
Hey! What's with the Joe Besser crack? ooooh you!
GrandFunker 1 year ago
@GrandFunker where is the real shimp?
TheDoglover777 1 year ago
@TheDoglover777 In other shorts...
GrandFunker 1 year ago
@TheDoglover777 Shemp passed away in 1955 so in simple terms, you're seeing a "double" who was used in the rest of the films that Shemp originally was going to be in.
SamoanFun 1 year ago
@johnny556lawarence yes it is. The year Shemp died Columbia had promised 8 Stooge shorts. Only 4 had been shot so and the Stooges had already been using old footage to cut down on the amout of film they needed to shot. So with Shemp gone and 4 shorts to go this happaned.
GriffinNoel1 1 year ago
This is proof that anyone, or any group can jump the shark...even the stooges did eventually.
oldpreach 1 year ago
yeah now i know how to tell if its fake or not thanks for making this video now i dont have to go crazy trying to figure it out... RIP THE 3 STOOGES
9tailfox098 1 year ago
Poor Shemp. Even before these horrible "Fake Shemps", so many of his shorts had become re-makes and re-used old footage. I think the budget cuts at Columbia did more to tarnish his reputation as a stooge then his acting ability.
BigPoppaChump 1 year ago 2
Is this how years later Hollywood got the idea for Weekend at Bernies? lol!!!
notapplicable66 1 year ago
I am seeing in other sources that the Stooges had to make some more shorts before Joe Besser arrived. With the real Shemp now deceased, we end up having this "fake Shemp" stuff, with us not getting a good look at the face of the actor playing Shemp. In one case in this video, I can stop it to get a side view of that actor's face, but if you don't stop the video, that is a VERY short look.
carlmoore19 1 year ago
I tend to feel sorry for Joe Palma.Can imagine,after Harry Cohn told Moe and Larry that they were going to finish the Shemp series,calling Joe Palma in and telling him "you're Shemp".Had to be a bit demoralizing to him,knowing damned well that he wasnt really being auditioned for being a Stooge.Adds a bit to the story though.
DwighttFrye 1 year ago
That is just terrible. One of the first clues is the fact that "Shemp" in these scenes almost always has his back to the camera, which was not common practice in show business those days for an actor to ever do. In the scene where he's carrying the tools you can tell they overdubbed the real Shemp's voice into the scene probably from an older episode.
wyldemw 1 year ago 4
@wyldemw but remember if you watch the full episode the majority of the time shemp (the real shemp) is facing the camera
regvision 1 year ago
oh my god. This is so much worse than I ever thought.
Aaronamations 1 year ago
SO HE WAS DEAD ALL THE TIME!!!
devinwiggins7 1 year ago
I don't understand whats up with the fake shemp? Can someone explain
twev30theprince 1 year ago
Joe palma was a stunt man who did sit ins for shemp, he also took over for him when shemp died in 1955, some of the shorts werent finished and palma was shemps double
wilhelm1974 1 year ago
Thanks for taking the time to explain
twev30theprince 1 year ago
shemp and curly were great. only joe besser and joe derita were terrible they weren't related. larry wasn't but he knew moe and shemp. dont kill me for liking shemp, I know alot of you hate him, but curly was his brother and so was moe.
dougs121 2 years ago 21
shemp's my favorite stooge
NicktheBarber31 2 years ago 2
Yea, I used to not like Shemp either but have great respect for him after I found out that he was actually one of the original stooges before Curly, and basically returned to the act to save Moe and Larry's careers.
THOUSANDAlRE 2 years ago
@dougs121 i definately think shemp was the most talented
joh04667 1 year ago
@joh04667 By most accounts,that was true as well as the funniest of the bunch off camera!
Nickcat5 1 year ago
@dougs121 : yeah, I never understood all the "anti-shemp" sentiment either. Curly had a stroke in about 1949. Shemp was "asked" to join the stooges.....he actually saved their act. Shemp already had a career in films doing bit parts with big stars such as abbott and costello etc.. What I liked about shemp is that he never tried to be a fake Curly....he had his own style....and the way he would start "chirping" always cracked me up.
inkey2 1 year ago
It wouldnt make any sense for Shemp to try and be a fake Curly because Shemp was there first. Curly was a replacement for Shemp. BTW Moe, Shemp and Curly were brothers in real life.
wyldemw 1 year ago
@wyldemw Let me add that Shemp did come back after Curly's stroke, I am aware of that.
wyldemw 1 year ago
@dougs121 You fail to realize that Joe Besser was brought on to complete the contract and with Joe DeRita,The whole act was tamed down. This was not the fault of either comic
Nickcat5 1 year ago
@dougs121 There is no reason to apologize for that. Shemp is every bit as funny as Curly was, just a different style is all. I know it is Shemp's most well known short, but all you Shemp haters cannot tell me that "Brideless Groom" is not hilarious, and the reason it works so well is Shemp's quirks!
pesmith8768 1 year ago 7
@pesmith8768 Wish Shemp and his brother Curly could have worked together but they never did aside from a single post-stroke scene. Even finding photos of them together is almost as tough as finding a picture of Lon Chaney, Sr. and Lon Chaney, Jr. together (I've never seen a snapshot of the two Chaneys as adults). While we're at it, Douglas Fairbanks never made a film with his son even though they worked concurrently for a while.
Onlymusical 1 year ago
@Onlymusical try Three Stooges- Curly Cameo and see if that is not Curly pre-stroke (and pre-haircut). It should be the second one down on the right of this. If that was done post-stroke he looks damn good
for a guy that had a stroke.
boothl232 1 year ago
@boothl232 Yes, this was definitely Curly post-stroke. Shemp didn't rejoin the group and make any shorts at all until Curly retired due to the strokes. He looks better than ever with some hair and less weight but you'll notice he's sitting down and doesn't actually speak, just makes one of the signature Curly sounds instead. It must've thrilled audiences out of their minds for him to suddenly pop up in with the other Stooges that way unless it had been heavily publicized beforehand.
Onlymusical 1 year ago
@pesmith8768
I also even thought that Joe Besser was cool, but yeah Shemp and Curly are right up there as equals. Poor Joe De Rita is right on there at the bottom but I've learned to love him too Its hard to knock a stooge.
sethmanrockandroll 1 month ago
@dougs121 No,we dont hate you for that,Id pick Shemp,over either Joe Besser,or Joe Derita,,to me the three stooges are Moe,Larry,Curley,and Shemp,
The 2 joes were just filling in.
NAMTRIP 1 year ago
@NAMTRIP AT LEAST THE JOE'S KEPT THE STOOGES GOING DAMN WE ARE SO UNGREATFUL
regvision 1 year ago
@regvision Relax,All of them earned their keep,A stooge is a stooge!!
NAMTRIP 1 year ago
@NAMTRIP true that
regvision 1 year ago
@dougs121 You are not alone! I thought Shemp was so cool! He was part of the orginal Stooges and he left and was replaced by Curly who shaved his head for that role until he suffered a stroke!
Tazzman 11 months ago
@dougs121 I really have not seen much of the "Joe DeRita years", as their format at that time was feature length movies, but I do think Joe D. was a big improvement over Joe Besser. Besser was such a wuss - "that huurts!", "cut it ouut!" - he wasn't even funny, or have original bits like Curly & Shemp. DerRita, at least, wasn't annoying, and seemed a likable sort.
greenwich1754 11 months ago
@dougs121 I agree with u. My all time favorite third stooges, is Curly and Shemp, after Shemp died, Larry and Moe should have retired. Joe Besser and Joe Besser made the stooges very lame.
cobo4 8 months ago
@dougs121 Joe Besser and Curly Joe were great in their own style.
keaton1895 4 months ago
Palma was soo much taller than Shemp that he is always bent over, and even then is still the same height as Moe and Larry.
oldpreach 2 years ago
2:17 I remember seeing that scene and thinking it's fishy an actor would cover their face.
Btw, the Stooges have an excuse, they were forced to do it, and there was no other way. Sam Raimi is just unprofessional, doesn't take his job serious, slap any old crap together and call it a movie.
WanagiAkicita 2 years ago
I take it back, the Grudge was good, though not as good as Ju On. At least he didn't mix slapstick in with the serious stuff, for that one. Like oil and water, they don't mix. Everything else of Raimi's is like that, unprofessional mish mosh, pish posh. Lucy Lawless made Xena watchable. "Yite Yite Yite Yite Yite Yite Yite Yite!"
WanagiAkicita 2 years ago
its very obvious they have yet to show anythg but the back of his head.!!
MOSKII58 2 years ago
Yeah they had to do 4 more , but shemp died so this happened
bubbajimmy8 2 years ago
Hey! That's not the real Shemp! I'm calling Shenanigans!!
lecagot2 2 years ago
Gotta love stock footage for remakes. They did one with Joe Besser taking over Shemp's role as (I believe) a door-to-door clothing salesman. Jealous husband Moe thinks Joe is having an affair with Moe's wife and fires a gun up the chimney where Joe is hiding, but you hear Shemp yell in pain. In another one (or the same?) you can plainly see Shemp's framed photograph in the backround in the stock footage.
dumbbo1 2 years ago
I always knew they remade the same episode, but never knew about Shemp's photo being there, lol. They actually used the same exact footage?
TrueTalkTV 2 years ago
Yep they did! It was all about cost-cutting. And since the shorts weren't being shown on TV yet, it was years between an original story and its remake. They reused footage from the Curly years in a Joe Besser short, for example. Oil's Well That Ends Well, (IIRC) was the title of a Besser remake, about the boys finding an oil well under a dry water well. *Curly's* stunt double is seen being lifted up on a geyser, which Larry calls an ink well, but Moe corrects him calling it "earl" (oil).
dumbbo1 2 years ago
very sad
thePharoah90086 2 years ago
They were trying to bide some time until a replacement could be found for Shemp. The Stooges had a contract with Columbia to release 8 shorts in 1956, and only 4 had been completed before Shemp's death. BTW, you did leave out a small scene from COMMOTION ON THE OCEAN which was inserted among the footage from CRIME ON THEIR HANDS. It shows Palma covering his face while Moe slaps Larry.
ma7799 2 years ago
musta ben tuff every time they said his name-you can feel there not quite into it-
i dont think u cood have curly and shemp in the same scene-2 much kaos!
musicmanregina 2 years ago
good thing Moe is the least dumb of them all, trys his hardest to make the other embasiles like him
21Blitz 2 years ago
I wonder what his spelling was like!
JUSTDAVID1 2 years ago 3
at 3:26 he broke the window
stormiebebe 2 years ago
Damn, that movie company really had them by the balls...
geofree1984 2 years ago 2
Not sure why Stooges fans are down on Joe Besser. The guy had to try to fill the shoes of a great comedian, which Shemp certainly was. But rather than to try to be another Shemp, he did his own thing his own way and gave Moe & Larry a way to present their own comedy in new ways. During that period, they WERE The 3 Stooges and they were damn funny, and not meant to be compared to any other period in their career. Besser kept the act going and he did a GREAT job ! God bless him!
CastleOfThoughts 2 years ago
Besser was very GAY acting. And according to Moe's autobiography, Besser refused to allow Moe to hit him because Besser didn't like it.
generic53 2 years ago
Well, I suppose if I was replacing two guys who died young in an act where they were pounded in the head for laughs, I might refuse to be hit also. Moe always said the punches and smacks were fake. Watch Larry's interview, (after his stroke) and you'll hear Larry swear that the punches etc. that many of those were real. He should know. Besser was a good stooge. Period.
CastleOfThoughts 2 years ago
Besser sucked. And it wasn't so much about him being different from Shemp, because Curly was different from Shemp as well, and he was the most popular. It's just that they FIT better as Stooges. Besser didn't.
As for not wanting to be hit or slapped, that's what the Stooges were ABOUT. How are you going to be a Stooge, but refuse to be slapped? That's like being a comedian and refusing to tell jokes.
TrueTalkTV 2 years ago 3
You make some good points, but at least the act was able to continue, thanks to Besser.
CastleOfThoughts 2 years ago
I never heard about the fake Shemp espisodes, but its pretty obvious here. You never see his face, and obviously trying to hide it. I guess that's what you do when you have to.
BarneyFlart 2 years ago
i'll hav fake Shemp over joe gay ass anytime
airwolfwwf 2 years ago
And if you notice Joe Palma (AKA Fake Shemp) is taller than Moe & Larry and always has to be hunched over when he stands near them.
enockss 2 years ago
That's true. But the REAL Shemp was actually taller than Moe & Larry as WELL. Just not by MUCH.
TrueTalkTV 2 years ago
Amazing! Thanks for the insightful footage!!
JSG1951 2 years ago
Yes once the Shemp double is pointed out it all made sense for those particular features like when he's only seen from behind with little or no responding and especially in the feature where they at the begining had worn beards and then Shemp was sent by Moe to go after a suspicious looking woman and he responds "Right!"Then Moe and Larry upon take off their beards and upon entering an office & being told to make themselves at home by one army secretary are then being obnoxious to both of them.
stebaer4 2 years ago
Moe really had a hard time I suppose. Brother Curly had a stroke, but the boys were still under contract with Columbia. They got Shemp to return to the act and then he passes away. The boys were still under contract. Therefore the paste and cut with fake shemps. Contract again...Joe Besser, then Curly Joe...after Larry passes, Emil Ditka steps in....of course this was on the stage only.
It's all about the contracts....
astrofist 2 years ago 7
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shadowstorm7 2 years ago
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shemp sucks and curly joe blows
DrinkDrunkPunk08 2 years ago
I bet they played a guitar better than you. lol
thegoosebrain 2 years ago 2
you suck
mopable 2 years ago
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Fuck you bitch.
Lannis32 2 years ago
I <3 the bird sound and the man's eyes when he gets knocked out at 3:12
batista8610 2 years ago
I read he died on shipboard as a stow-away.
35westst 2 years ago
No clue where ya'll got that infor from
35westst. Sam was on his way home from the fights in a cab with a friend when he suffered a massive heart attack and died.
MissHarpoMarx 2 years ago
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Joe Palma was the best Stooge ever!
Even better than Mousie Garner!
procommenter 2 years ago
LOL @ 1:00... Larry looks like a rabbi! xD
deezvids 2 years ago
Shemp Died during the filming of this short It took more than two weeks to film a short.
He died at Hollywood Legond Statium in the Parking Lot After a Boxing Match I believe in a Taxi Cab Shemp did not drive.
TL250Rider 2 years ago
Me too! Joe Besser was a drag! The impossible to be around kid down the block always wrecking my fun with his two hot sisters looked and talked just like him.
I could think up things to say that would make him cry
( You little Jerkus, I'm gonna EAT YOUR DOG!!,) but he'd always get my goat.
whizbang47 3 years ago
I don' t think that guard with the sword is the same actor from MALICE IN THE PALICE.
ma7799 3 years ago 2
That Shemp was as fake as the chiroptractor that played Bela Lagosi in Plan 9 from Outer Space.
VitruvianMan1452 3 years ago 4
wow they pasin a blunt
anthonynami2 3 years ago
This is really sad to watch. Though not as beloved by fans as Curly, Shemp was probably the funniest Howard off-camera. Who in his right mind would think he could be replaced by the back of someone's head.
jpspiret 3 years ago 3
The First Short that you show Shemp died during the filming of it when they were on the ship as stow aways.
Thank you
TL250Rider 3 years ago
Ding Dong! Your'e wrong. Shemp died in a car on the way home from watching boxing matches.
1060893 2 years ago 5
Hey dumbass, he didn't say he died on the ship, he said he died during the FILMING of the scene when they were on the ship as stowaways.
Lannis32 2 years ago
The guy at 1:40, played a role in CITIZEN KANE. His name is Phil Van Zant.
thegoosebrain 3 years ago
Were these shorts made entirely with a fake Shemp, or were they partially completed shorts before Shemp Howards death and required a couple of scenes with a body double to complete an episode? Man if they were made as entire episodes its just plain wrong.
Drivermatic 3 years ago
they were re-makes of old shorts with mostly stock footage. They were made to finish Shemp's contract with the studio for 1956. Unfortunatly remakes were common a that time, as they were basically filler material between features and were made on a small budget. They never figured they would be scritnized that closely.
valmorris 3 years ago
3:26 o 3:30 hilarious. I was eating while watching & food went everywhere.
phantassm 3 years ago
I wonder if Moe actually felt upset that someone else was playing Shemp? Seems like it would have really been hard to do.
phantassm 3 years ago
how come fake shemp never got hit by moe.
nbachamp23 3 years ago
The "Fake Shemp" showed up in four shorts - "Commotion on the Ocean", "Hot Stuff", "Bedlam in Paradise" and "Scheming Schemers"
Bartman411 3 years ago
Bedlam in Paradise had the real Shemp.
Rumpus in the Harem was the other episode with Fake Shemp.
RocketZ99 3 years ago
QUESTION: in how many "shorts" (stooges films) did the Fake Shemp show up in. (not counting stunt doubles)
inkey2 3 years ago
I didnt know that Shemp had died when I was watching it as a kid.
That was not funny. Who the hell at Columbia thought that was a good idea?!
It seems that they were only after money and didn't give a damn that their brother had just died!
RiddleGurl1980 3 years ago 2
Who? Their boss, Harry Cohn, of course. Frank Capra didn't call Cohn "His Crudeness" for nothing.
rnigma 3 years ago
Shemp was very under rated. He had his own career in short films at the time Curly had his stroke. He pretty much joined the stooges as a favor to moe and curly. (shemp is moe's real life brother...so was Curly
inkey2 3 years ago 6
wow...this is REALLY interesting....I could usually always tell when they used a stunt double but I never knew about the fake shemps.....WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE...is introduce him as a whole new character like Shemps cousin.....call him "cousin Slemp" or something
inkey2 3 years ago
There were 4 fake Shemp shorts made after his demise. Shemp's stand in was long time Stooges stock player Joe Palma. He started in the Curly era and went all the way through Besser. Very sad that these were even made.
benjilbum 3 years ago 2
I never knew about the fake "Shemps"..
thanks for posting these!!!
pickard72 3 years ago
Those shorts were like the original Weekend at Bernie's. I can't believe they would make these when the audience would have heard in the news that Shemp had died. Who would have been fooled by such an obvious impostor? Did they really think anyone would find something so bizarre and macabre funny?
SwineForkbeard 3 years ago
The only way this could be worse is if the bosses at Columbia put a pair of sunglasses on Shemp's corpse and had Moe and Larry drag the body around as if he were still alive. Even as a kid I always though something was "off" about these particular shorts. Excellent job, thepittvp. Sad for Moe and Larry. And Joe Palma, because THIS is his legacy.
junedeon 2 years ago 18
Unfortunately the death of Shemp brought in the crappiest era of the stooges the besser-derita years. Joe Besser acted /was a queer and Curly Joe Derita despised the act. Shemps corpse being drug around wouldve been an improvement.
jedibri81 2 years ago 3
Derita didn't like being a Stooge? I didn't know that!
TrueTalkTV 2 years ago
no way...he said that his time with them were the best years of his life but i did hear that he wasn't a fan of their style of slapstick comedy
NicktheBarber31 2 years ago
@junedeon Yeah, having a deceased body with sunglasses...reminescent (I can't spell big words) of Weekend at bernie's. scary thought in mind X(
SamoanFun 1 year ago
I could swear that guy in the military uniform is Yasser Arafat!
hamshow 3 years ago
Can you please tell me
what is the title of the
3 stooges episode on 0:27
hilarioph 3 years ago
"Commotion on the Ocean."
G294 3 years ago
I can't believe Columbia could have been so crass....I bet it broke Moe and Larry's hearts having to pretend Shemp was still alive just to make a lousy short.
999manman 3 years ago 5
What episode is that at 2:20?
1947Desoto 3 years ago
Isn't me or Shemp cover his face?
Hmm... I think about it
Comments?
hilarioph 3 years ago
On 1:14 this is not the
real shemp actor. Remember that
hilarioph 3 years ago
The real shemp Kicked The Bucket in 1955.
frankd1965 3 years ago
There have also been fakes for Moe, Curly, Larry and Joe.
thegoosebrain 3 years ago
oh yeha i knew that for the episode TRIPLE CROSSED I do believe it's called?
AceripXF 3 years ago
i didn't realize it wasa fake shemp when they were pacing back and forth to resce teh girl and her dad the scientest
AceripXF 3 years ago
As you may recall, I had on youtube all the fake shemp episodes before I had to remove them. ~tears~
thegoosebrain 3 years ago
wow i never knew it was the fake shemp in "The Malice in the Palace"---? when they were in santa suits
Domexpo 3 years ago
Actually the short is "Rumpus In The Harem" which was pretty much a remake of "Malice" with about 10% new footage.
bundttrundler 3 years ago
The Shemp double in the scene at 1:55 isn't Joe Palma. That was actually reused footage from VAGABOND LOAFERS which was made when Shemp was still alive. I guess they used a double for that scene because they didn't want Shemp to get hurt falling off the high bed.
Egoots 3 years ago
At least they had the sense to dub in Shemp's voices in a couple places. Why they didn't bother doing it in the rest of the places (requiring Palma to do a very bad imitation of Shemp's voice), I don't know.
ftg3plus4 3 years ago
Legalize fake Shemp! Check out my Stoned Shemp video for the real deal Shemp.
thegoosebrain 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this; I've always wanted to see the infamous Shemp-double shorts.
Palma was too tall, but in the second and third shorts shown, I did a double-take. The hair really made him look like him.
And I most definitely would rather have Palma than Besser. Old Joe fit the act like President Bush at an Ivy League school like Yale...
JackFunk21 3 years ago
Hey, thanks for posting this. I've been trying to catch the all of the fake shemp scenes for a long time. It's stunnig that they forced Moe to make three more shorts to fulfill the contract, despite 1/3 of the act being dead.What a dirty business.
saxophoney 4 years ago 3
I know it's like "Gr"
AceripXF 3 years ago
Actually, Joe Palma "Shemped" in 4 Stooges shorts. This is missing the one shot where he appears in "Commotion On The Ocean."
And personally, I'd rather watch Joe Besser.
ftg3plus4 4 years ago
Thankfully, nobody gives a shit about your opinion.
Lannis32 2 years ago
Obviously you do (even though you disagree) or you wouldn't have bothered replying like that!
ftg3plus4 2 years ago