This FBI guy is full of shit. He said Oswald had nothing to do with it. So why did Oswald leave work suddenly after the assasination and go whack a cop on the streets?
@morrison1405 : For the simple reason that he knew the minute it happened what the game was. As he said 'I am just a patsy'. As for shooting Tippet, well there is mystery surrounding that. All the witnesses that saw 2 men with Tippet were ignored, and the timing is all wrong. It is said that Oswald went to the cinema to meet his CIA Handler.
@ipolson Oh, I thought maybe Oswald stole a whole box of Fleshlights from the TSD and was running home with them when Tippet caught him so Oswald capped him. So you're saying maybe some other 2 guys stole the box of Fleshlights and shot Tippet when confronted about the stolen merchandise. So what was Oswald meeting with his CIA handler at the cinema for? Probably to watch a porno and try out some new Fleshlights hey?
@morrison1405: Mock if you like. But even some of the people who invented and sold you the 'magic bullet - lone gunman' theory (the WC) doubted its findings later and as more information comes out (like the JEH memo which talks about a replacement patsy if LHO didnt follow instructions and be where he was supposed to be). Even LBJ himself denounced the WC findings, admitting it privately to Walter Kronkite (but warning him not to air it)
If people want to be serious about this, they should drop all the bullshit about the grassy knoll and admit that Oswald was the shooter. It's almost like a deliberate misinformation campaign designed to confuse the public. Oswald fired the shots the killed Kennedy. The real question starts at, "Is it reasonable to conclude that an experienced political assassin by pure chance got a job at the perfect place to shoot the president just 5 weeks before the motorcade drove by?"
@eBe4IXcept it's quite obvious to me that the shot that killed jfk came from the front right side of the president and certanly not from the back.i feel sorry for l.h.oswald that so many people today still think he is the shooter but for those still alive in 50 years from now will know the truth about all this and he will then be able to sleep in peace.
@eBe4IXcept Ah, are you that naive? He claimed they changed facts he reported, in his official report. He pointed to out right lies found in the official reports. I have read the reports myself. How could you claim this is like a misinformation campaign. That's the dumbest thing I've ever herd, dis info serves a goal or purpose, what purpose would it service to claim he didn't do it? Tell me a logical motive this guy would have for lying about this?
@TheGeneralOfWar Are you that naive? This disinformation throws naive morons off the trail of Oswald's co-conspirators. By defining this fantasy scenario, they set conditions of proof which can never be satisfied. That is the purpose, to keep you chasing ghosts while they reap the profits of their foul deed. Oswald did it, and his friends betrayed him. He's a guilty patsy.
@eBe4IXcept: Why is it then that 4 of the WC members (plus LBJ himself) denounced the WC findings (ie the magic bullet/lone gunman theory) ? As Hoover said, the WC was set up to try and PROVE LHO did it not to investigate the crime. He actually said 'We must convince the American public that it was a lone shooter ie LHO' . Now why would he need to say that ? .
This guy says GRASSY KNOLL and he backs it up with an informant who said OFFICE BUILDING! Very silly. Even if Milteer knew what he was talking about, it doesn't mean Oswald didn't do it. "They" used Oswald in the "office building." And he had 11 seconds to take three shots, even more when you consider that the 11 seconds doesn't include his set up time for the first shot. Plus, witnesses saw the gunman shooting from the window. Witnesses in the window directly below heard the bolt and shells.
2 minutes after the assassination Oswald was allegedly on the first floor, leaning against a soda machine, drinking a soda, and when authorities walked in he calmly asked them what all the commotion was about. Even if he was sadistic he would be out of breath from running down stairs at least.
If Oswal had "nothing to do with it" then explain why he left work at the Texas Schoolbook Depository, took a taxi and was found in a movie theater? Did Oswald just decide to bag the afternoon and take in a flick? Please, someone tell me.
@Baldgol4 It's all a waste of time here because there are a million details and not enough space. A few books are needed. Not just for Oswald but for everything. Nothing is what it seems. There's a good chance Oswald was instructed to meet his "handler which was part of setting him up.
@Baldgol4 Oswalds own words " im just a patsy" indicates that he was involved. otherwise he would have said something along the lines of "this is just a big mistake", or "a case of mistaken identity". but at which level he was involved is of course unknown.
i dont think he was involved in the shooting. i think the shooters were from out of town, perhaps even out of country.
So. If I understand all the people who comments here, what you all say is : "I was close friend of LBJ and consorts and they tell me the true about JFK assassination."
@mckheu; hey i don't know if i'm wrong here but i did research on Ron Paul's dad and I think he was a Mason. and that would be Ron Paul would be too right???
@mckheu; i'm not saying they are bad people i was just pointing out the fact that i read Ron Paul's dad was. I for one hope that he is as true as he sounds; cause if he is even 75% of what he talks that's good enough for me; and i don't know why the rest of the nation doesn't vote this guy in; i mean the government won't like him because he's all about small government; but i think he's pretty great; that's just my opinion though. what do you think?
Army Intelligence Officer James Powell was found inside the TSBD building just after the shooting.After identifying himself to Dallas Police he was allowed to leave.
Oswald must have been james bond to pull off those impossible shots and then escape with Army Intelligence in the buidling.
You can hear the entire conversation between Miltter and Somerset in the BBC Production called The Men Who Killed Kennedy. It was even aired on The History Channel in the late 80's. Hoover had sex and money blackmail evidence on just about everyone in Washington and Hollywood. He had Marilyn Monroe's house completely bugged from top to bottom. The bug were later found when they re-roofed the house.
There probably was a shooter in the TSBD and in the Records Building next to the TSBD as well as the knoll. Remember the Mark Lane movie "Executive Action?" Triangulated fire. The late expert Penn Jones said there were as many as nine shots fired. Why so many shooters and why the close up knoll? The plotters had to make sure, 100%, that JFK was not going to survive the attack. For if JFK had only been wounded he would still be in power and would have uncovered the culprits. Hanging them!
Only one thing. wrong with Don Adam's interview: he contradicts himself. First he said JFK was shot from the front, but then he implicates Milteer who said it would be done from an office building. So which is it?
I have had bad days. and very good days where I have placed three 30.06 bullets into a .25 ct quarter at 100 yards. Over all, his record was very good.
@michaelpilot1000 overall his record was very poor. I go by the record, not your make believe bs. Furthermore, the FBI is on record for lying about witness testimonies. And the doctors at parkland all agree it was a frontal shot on the head.
@jacobji5 They all agreed it was a frontal shot to the throat. They described the head as "badly damaged". They didn't or couldn't say where the head shot came from. But the throat wound was regarded as a wound of entry.
@66ott7 They couldn't say it. But, the driver did shoot his .45. Several witnesses saw Greer shoot and reported it. It was a rifle shot to the throat, and the .45 to the head. Greer worked for the CIA, even though he got his SS check. Just like so many media liars.
Next time you see the Z film, the disinformation "sun glare" only last as long as Greer wiping it out and putting it back to his holster. Anyway, the Z film is a proven altered fraud.
@jacobji5 The driver being a shooter is the most ridiculous theory ever to come out of the assassination. You can clearly see both his hands in front of him. Don't you think people wpuld have seen that? Are you mental? Ramblings of a mad man.
@66ott7 Mary Moorman - said Greer was shooting. Thought he was shooting back at an assassin. SOURCE: WC Report.
Jean Hill - said she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, but Sen. Arlen Spector would change the subject. Not called by the WC.
Austin P. Miller - was asked by Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." SOURCE: WC Report & NY Times.
Numerous cops, SS, civilians who wanted JFK dead, or threatened to shut up.
@66ott7 Hugh Betzner – “I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped”. “I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car”. “I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car”. SOURCE: DPD statement, 22 Nov 63. Not called by the WC.
College journalism student Cheryl McKinnon, who also heard shots from the knoll.
In response to the govt stooges such as BlueWolfe; the LHO official lie only works if you suspend the laws of physics, eject logic and deny your own eyes (even witgh the highly doctored Z footage). JFK was in a turkey shoot and died from shots from the front. LHO was the first designated stooge. The Warren commission followed. And the stooges continue to this day.
@emtom1966 Thankyou, you are 100% CORRECT with your comments. BlueWolfe is an idiot. The shooter in the book depository was not LHO, he was from the same mob that were hiding behind the picket fence at the grassy knoll. The Warren commission report is a joke and a disgrace.
The Turni 6.5 Italian Carcano used by Oswald to murder the President was, and is, a reliable and efficient killing machine in the hands of an average shooter. It was well suited for the circumstances in Dallas as a medium range sniper weapon. Conspiracy Theorists have made their case that everyone in Dallas except Oswald took a shot at Kennedy that day; however the physical evidence places him at that moment in time with the means to execute. Where is the "evidence" to the contrary ???
@Swazi4 Oswald couldn't make those shots - that has been proven many times. His military buddies say he was an average shot, and expert marksman haven't even been able to duplicate what he supposedly did. Btw, look up the video here where Gov. Jesse Ventura (who was a Navy Seal and expert shot) demonstrates how Oswald couldn't have made the shots.
@TheLensSolution He wasn't a SEAL, no matter how many times he says it. He was part of UDT.
Also, how do you explain Oswald's marksman books from the Marines? From well past the distance he was from Kennedy, with an iron site M1, he would hit a target 48/50, and again 49/50. If he was such an average shooter, why did he get the rank of sharp shooter in the Marines?
And finally, yeah, marksmen have duplicated the shot. It's on youtube.
@Swazi4 There are no books on Oswald's shooting. There is no 48 49/50 crap. By the way, do you and bluewolfe always have homo sex in his moms basement? Which one of you boys licks the shit hole?
@jacobji5 Good come back. Blindly deny everything then make a slur. You fit in well with most conspiracy theorists. And yeah, Oswald's marksman books exist.
@Swazi4 UDT & SEALS are basically interchangeable. Stop distracting from the main issue. The point is that many people, Jesse Ventura being one of them, couldn't replicate the shots Oswald supposedly did. Ventura qualified as an expert marksman. If you have more shooting experience than he does, I'm open to seeing you post your own video demonstration.
@TheLensSolution again Lens, watch the doco the lost bullet. Have you watched it yet?.
The original time frame in which to shoot the President with that bolt action rifle was incorrect! it was more like 11 sec. Please watch it and then comment. PLEASE.
@eastpross I may look at it, but if it's just going to be another 'Oswald did it alone' theory, there's not much point. Do you realize the whole debate about bullets is just a distraction? There is overwhelming evidence of a conspiracy in every other aspect of the case. So the endless debate about bullets doesn't go anywhere. Douglas Horne, of the Assassination Records Review Board has published a book showing the government altered the Zapruder film and JFK's body. It was not Oswald.
@TheLensSolution Perhaps you can give me some links or something to suggest your point/ id be happy to look at it. lead me to the overwhelming evidence and ill do my part too. sound good? i may agree with you in the end, but from what ive seen so far, not yet.
Respectfully. ;) I must remind you, you have an argument with someone here on the fact of the bullets couldnt be shot by Ventura! You WILL find the doco somewhat compelling.
I have viewed numerous videos of dirty windows in Dealey Plaza and mystery blobs behind the picket fence. Overwhelmingly the evidence gathered by the Dallas Police, the FBI, and the Warren Commission leads me to conclude that Lee Harvey Oswald did in fact murder President Kennedy. While Legions of Conspiracy Lunatics continue to insist that this could not be the case, at my age, I am relatively certain that I will not be able to wait another 50 years for them to produce ANY evidence of the same.
@BlueWolfe38 The 'evidence' as you refer to it was manipulated, destroyed, burned in fires (eg. autopsy notes) or taken away and never seen again. The Warren Commission violated all basic laws of criminal procedure and the chain of evidence. What they did would never hold up in court. It would be dismissed by a judge or jury, just as happens every day in courtrooms all over the world. J. Edgar Hoover even admitted in a transcript they had virtually no case against Oswald.
More PROOF of shots from the FRONT- Google search the statement of Parkland ER Nurse Patricia Hutton. As soon as JFK arrived at Parkland she held a bandage on the rear of JFK's head.She saw TWO entrance wounds in the FRONT of JFK's head and huge EXIT wound in the REAR. For some reason her statement was Classified "TOP SECRET" for decades.
im sorry if you have over TWENTY EXPERT MARKSMEN who took the same EXACT SHOTS from the Texas book Depository and or of equal value in length height & width of the TBD and ALL FAILED....somebody else did it....theres just nothing else to it but that
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watch the doco "the lost bullet". It proves that it was indeed possible for oswald to fire those shots and how much longer it took to fire them than first realised. Oh well, we all love a conspiracy, but not in this case it would seem. The only conspiracy that could be drawn is why Oswald killed him anyway.
@eastpross Conspiracies do exist, and they happen all the time. When you say "we all love a conspiracy" you make it sound like it's just something that happens in the movies. Julius Caesar, Abraham Lincoln and many other famous men have been assassinated in conspiracies, and so was JFK.
@TheLensSolution Excellent point. Everything Government is not a conspiracy. But this is. A more connected example is south east Asia. Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers. Nixon and Watergate etc. Norman Mailer described the Kennedy assassination best by saying its an "incredible morass. The over all gets lost in non-sense debates. There are few rhetorical questions in this rabbit hole. Thought many are so mislead as to feel they ask them. Alice In Wonderland ;)
another high school trick beavis, it won't do ya any good. yer not goin anywhere.Your behavior is infantile and yer actions are predictable. Join the humane race. Have a good look at the big picture and deal with it.
Those times are close enough & still fit in Oswalds known locations. Watches can be off a few minutes & so can witness time guestimates. Even ignoring the exact timing, Oswald tried to shoot the arresting officer at Dallas theater. How many gunslingers were in that vicinity that afternoon? We know for sure of one that just happened to also be near the JFK shooting 45 minutes earlier? Are you implying Ruby shoot Tippit? Ruby is too tall, fat & old to match eyewitness descriptions of killer.
@KVASEY Aquilla Clemmons gave a description of one of the two men she witnessed that matches rather closely to Ruby. The other man was tall and was wearing a white shirt. Bernard Haire,witnessed a man in a white pullover shirt taken out of the back of the Texas Theater. Police records say that Lee was arrested in the balcony of the theater and on it goes.
@conspiracydog11 It doesn’t matter what floor he was arrested on. The key issues are: 1-That Oswald was at the theater at all (only 45 minutes after JFK shooting). 2-He entered without a ticket (in the middle of the movie). 3-He had a gun on him. 4-He tried to shoot the arresting officer. 5-A cop was shot less than 15 minutes earlier ½ mile away. 1-4 he did on his own, no one set him up. Even if there were no witnesses to Tippit murder, O is still incriminated because of 2-4.
@KVASEY Exactly...and they had the receipt with his alias name used to get the rifle...the rifle at the crime scene with the 3 shell casings and his palm print on rifle and index prints on the box used to support rifle...case closed.
@KVASEY That's a lot of ground to cover. Anyway Julia Postal in one interview broke down crying when asked if Lee did purchase a ticket. Another time she was not sure. Finally, she says no? Lee did buy some popcorn and tried to talk to some girl who disappeared out of history. But as I am a Conspiracy Theorist let's talk conspiracy. Let's say Lee was at the theater to meet his contact who was going to get him out of town. He had been dropped off earlier and knew nothing of Tippits .
@KVASEY ConspiracyDog, I don’t mean to ignore your latest posts, but I’m travelling this week and then I’ll be inundated with Christmas related activities, so I won’t have much free time for a while. Regards.
@conspiracydog11 Testimony needs to be weighed properly. Is it central to a key issue or peripheral? How certain is the witness of each particular point? (General information is normally reliable, specifics are frequently wrong.) How reliable is the witness? A mishmash of suspicious sounding tidbits, no matter how many, adds up to nothing if it has no weight. And don't just throw these things out there. Make a point! Then explain how that point supports a conclusion and singular theory.
@conspiracydog11 You determine what to believe by using sound judgment to weight evidence using those principles. Don’t be guided by preconceptions. i.e. From top post in this forum: “its the same with all theses major events in america the government makes up a lie and the majority of people believe them” That’s the mindset people bring to this subject. If WC had said Oswald was innocent and true shooter got away; Current CTers would instead be saying WC were morons for that conclusion.
@KVASEY How you ever noticed that there are so many could-have's in this case. Especially in the time line. Like, "we timed it with a stop watch and he could-have got down the stairs, he could-have walked that mile if we add a little time here." And, "we had a group of shooters with the same type of rifle replicate the shot and if you discount the times the weapon jammed some of them did it so Lee could-have."
@conspiracydog11 I'm not quite sure what your point is regarding "could-have's". Is there a problem with performing test to determine if something is pausible or not?
@KVASEY I am an old dog and I just got into this about a year ago while watching a clip of the Zapruder Film. I have a fair knowledge of shooting and I immediately determined that the head shot was a subsonic hollow point, from the front. As for the WC, one can tell they had a predetermined objective from the people they did not make "shinning stars" or even talk to. And this case does get deep.
@conspiracydog11 Thanks for injecting some truth into this discussion, some common sense. The WC believers aren't seeing the wool being pulled over their eyes, they just don't want to believe this could happen,and I don't blame them. WC just didn't take testimony from certain folks who had info that they didn't want on record.I appreciate that you have knowledge of shooting, I don't but even as a novice it's kind of obvious to see the nature and effect of that shot.
@jonnydupe07 Thank you so much. It's good to meet a fellow traveler on The Dark Side. I have a video on my channel where I shoot a milk jug with a .357, it's uncanny, at least to me, how much the result resembles the Zapruder film.
@jonnydupe07 Injecting truth and common sense? People don’t believe in a lone-gunman because WC says so. Assuming this, as CTers so often do, demonstrates a lack of common sense on their part. Believing that dozens of people were willingly recruited into Presidential assassination and no one blew the whistle also demonstrates a lack of common sense.
@KVASEY Excuse me but I have already addressed this point to some extent,read the previous posts. Nobody is saying that dozens of people were willingly recruited into Presidential assassination. People in high places often understand the situation and what needs to be done, especially if they are of the same mindset. It's a subtle concept,unlike your aggressive probes. The folks in the WC knew what was at stake,like a Ref in a big game. They don't throw games but they know how to influence it.
@conspiracydog11 And the pertinent testimony and other records will be locked/sealed away for x amount of years.Yes this case does get deep. I certainly don't understand all of the angles and I am not interested in the overall number of different theories or their seeming contradictions, I just wan the truth to prevail. LHO did not act alone. So many political and other overtones make it difficult to really see it all clearly, for everyone!
@conspiracydog11 Front shot: 1) Stabalized super slowmotion Z-film shows forward movement first. 2) Z313 show that streak of blood going upward and forward. 3) It seems that a shot from the fence would have had to hit Jackie too. 4)The target has a lot of left to right movement if shooting from the fence & leaves little time to take aim. 5) The fence is a terrible snipers nest due to a lack of seclusion. 6)Moveback backward was neuro-muscular reflex just like neck shot caused arms to go up.
@KVASEY • Clint Hill, the Secret Service Agent who was sheltering the President with his body on the way to the hospital, described "The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car." This was a shot from the front with a big, slow, hollow point. Hate to be graphic but it makes a little hole going in and a big hole coming out. It also transfers a tremendous amount of energy to the target. Just what we see in the film.
@conspiracydog11 …continued7) We look back at the assassination’s success and may forget that success wasn’t a sure thing. If their was a mastermind, I think he’d want a high probability of success. Shooting at a moving target from a distance could fail. It’s much better to shoot up close like Lincoln & RFK or shoot from a distance at a standing target like MLK, when JFK was at airport or Trade Mart. Oswald didn’t have the luxury of choosing another time & place.
@conspiracydog11 I agree with the WC’s lone gunman conclusion, but not because they say so. People should and do come to their own conclusions, but they shouldn’t automatically reject the WC conclusion just because it was a “government” report. If WC had predetermined objection were they “in on it”. The WC included some “big people”, so I refer back to my argument about the Conspiracy problem of recruiting so many big people willing to commit such an act.
@KVASEY But the WC refused to call Styles or Garner, refused to do any time trials and in effect treated Victoria like dirt. Easy to see why. If Victoria's testimony is accepted the case against Lee Oswald falls apart.
@conspiracydog11 Forget the WC. Nobody's conclusion is based on some commissions conclusion. But, even if you have a list of criticisms of it as long as your arm, you still may come to the same conclusion. Forget JFK for a minute. If you're on jury and 1 witness contracts the testimony of 3 other witnesses, what are you going to do?
@KVASEY I understand, but in this case Victoria did not contradict anyone. She contradicted an unproven assumption, That Lee did the shooting from the 6'th floor. And almost 50 years later it remains to be proven. Jesse Curry said, "We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did. Nobody's yet been able to put him in the building with a gun in his hand." They treated her badly because they had to.
@KVASEY I think they had a predetermined objective to rubber stamp the FBI report and avoid any conspiracy at all costs. Victoria Adams is the girl on the stairs. Victoria left her office within seconds of the assassination and immediately went down the back stairs. Her coworker, Sandra Styles was with her and Mrs. Garner who I think was their boss corroborated her story.
Obviously, if someone was ask to participate they would know they risked being killed if they declined. So, no one in the CIA or FBI was smart enough to temporarily feign willingness, reach safety and then blow the whistle thus saving JFK and themselves? No one would be dumb enough to say 'Kill JFK? No, thanks. See ya later. Good luck with that." Also, what about the big players...they were all willing? Otherwise, what high ranking person was murdered in the period preceding 11/22?
@KVASEY Whacking high ranking people is another problem altogether much to telling almost a give away! Each individual group in this case knew their role, part, and what they had to do. They almost had to be willing. Everybody understood the consequences of the truth going public. Including Ruby.
The Limo driver did the kill shot & Treasury were either threatened or blackmailed by major shareholders of the US Fed in paedophilia scams illegally run by CIA as were Dallas & Texas state police.
Linden Alabama was where Bush himself was first got (Blackmailed) & only a 100% Congressional Amnesty will save the US & the world as the cycle of amoral stupidity in the light of the ever increasing spiral of political blackmail is destroying what's left of the US soul as well as it's constitution.
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Oswald had nothing to do with it"? Yeah. That's why brought disappearing curtain rods to work, fled the scene immediately, went home to change jackets and get .38, entered a movie theater without buying a ticket, tried to shot the arresting officer and was defiant when interrogated.
Sure, a military trained shooter is going to kill the President, then try to avoid the authorities BY KILLING A COP? NO WAY JOSE
"Oswald had nothing to do with it"? Yeah. That's why brought disappearing curtain rods to work, fled the scene immediately, went home to change jackets and get .38, entered a movie theater without buying a ticket, tried to shot the arresting officer and was defiant when interrogated.
@KVASEY the curtain rods were a fabrication that was ONLY ratifies by WC 'witnesses'; he didn't 'flee' - but walked out as per instruction from his controller (probably E. Howard Hunt); his .38 revolver wouldn't have ejected the shells at Tippit's murder scene; how do we know how 'defiant' he was when interrogated? THEY TOOK NO NOTES !!
@reefergladness What evidence is there to discredit Buell Frazier's testimony? On the contrary he was initially grilled for being a possible co-conspirator. LHO was told to leave minutes after the shooting by probably somebody?? Roy Truly was the one that noticed LHO was missing. Why would anyone at SBD tell anyone else to leave?
@reefergladness I didn’t say anything about Tippit but now that you mention it... Oswald returned home at 1pm. Tippit was shot around 1:15 Oswald was seen entering Texas Theater 1:30. It’s about ½ mile from boarding house to Tippit murder site and another ½ mile to theater. Oswald entered theater mid-movie, no ticket & tried to shoot arresting officer.
@KVASEY You can't convict someone on this alone. But it's certainly prima facie evidence against him. If Oswald had nothing to do with JFK assassination or Tippit murder, he sure had a bad case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time with guilty written all over his face.
@KVASEY Buell Frazier was a star witness for the WC - about half a dozen employees @ the TSBD saw O in the morning and none saw him with curtain rods - lo and behold - none of them were called for testimony whilst Frazier and people like Ruth Paine dominated procedings...
There's a myriad of people (upwards of 100) who submitted info, or offered to testify at the Commission. Including Jack Ruby for Heaven's sake!!
they were ignored or in some cases - their statements were straight forged !
@reefergladness I’m sure Oswald hid the gun within minutes of arriving before others saw him. Naturally, he wouldn’t parade around with it all morning. Lack of additional witnesses to the package doesn’t justify dismissing Frazier’s testimony. What is your opinion…2 shooters but Oswald wasn’t one of them? His own brother believes he did it. That should speak volumes.
@reefergladness The WC was not an infallible group of people with unlimited resources and unlimited time. I’ve made errors big and small; none of them intentionally or nefarious. How could so many people be recruited into assassination coverup; with none declining & whistleblowing to avert the act? The number required bends credulity.
@KVASEY They sure weren't an infallible group of people... I agree.But the crime of the century? They have resources for that! and plenty of time, it's what they do, it's their job. No to mention all the witness' they excluded, I'm sure they saved some money(resources) there. And nefarious, maybe not. People in high places sometimes understand what needs to be done, without specific orders.All of those people knew what was at stake. A lie that big just couldn't get out. They all knew it.
@jonnydupe07 There’s nothing they could have done that would have satisfied CTers. They’re research couldn’t have gone on ad infinitum. You’re assuming that they believed that the public would believe whatever they said. Calling them corrupt is one thing, but naïve? What was at stake? What could get out? Most people believed in conspiracy from day 1, it was already out.
@KVASEY You mean from day 1..AFTER the mainstream media/WR account.At least thats when I began to have doubts. As far as the WC goes in terms of ad infinitum...why not, that was their job, thats all they had to do. They were created to do just that. I would think that the crime of the century deserved the utmost and careful considerations and certainly comprehensive research.I just think they omitted certain testimony and shaped their investigation and findings to suit their own needs not naïve
@KVASEY But yes corrupt. I'm not calling them nefarious/evil people I'm just saying that maybe like the Refs in a big game they could influence the outcome. I don't think they were recruited/handpicked or maybe not even briefed. But they knew what was going on and what was at stake and what needed to be done.Consider the consequences of a different outcome! What if a conspiracy had been uncovered? chaos would surely ensue.Maybe the WC were hero's, patriots.
@KVASEY "How could so many people be recruited into assassination coverup" Indulge me here, for a minute. Lets compare this to an unrelated situation, but with similar undercurrents. The NBA.Every one of us(bb fans) has said at one time that the officials could possibly determine the outcome of a game.No one is saying that they are paid to throw games or told by the league to throw games. That would be a conspiracy, with plenty of folks to blow the whistle. The refs KNOW what to do on their own.
@jonnydupe07 "How could so many people be recruited into assassination coverup" Not hard, because you would only need a few. A head of the FBI to say, "we have our man no need for any other inquires.' That would help a lot. A president that wants it settled, "for the good of the country." That would help a lot.
@conspiracydog11 Good point dog....I have actually forgotten some of these things. I can just hear (almost) hehe, lbj saying those words...so convincingly to the masses. I had just quoted kvasey in hopes of pointing these things out. They didn't have to be recruited, they are all on the same team and know what needs to be done.
@jonnydupe07 As the worlds worst basketball player, I don't watch it. But I'm guessing there's only 4 or 5 refs. That number is small enough that it very possible none would blow the whistle. JFK conspiracy requires a much much larger number, most of which don't have an existing relationship, unlike refs. Refs would get paid big bucks to rig a game, but what's the motivation of all these assassination participants? Naturally, the difference in the severity of the crime weakens this analogy.
@KVASEY You make a good point,but it's not the number exactly that I'm referring to,it's the mentality/mindset. Because it's not really a conspiracy that the refs would be involved in it's more like a common good for the cause. No one really had to tell them to do it, they understand whats needed. They work for the league.Like the WC they didn't need to be recruited and they understood the severity and the crime and the implications. Actually in my mind they had good sense to avoid the truth.
@jonnydupe07 Jonny, I don’t mean to ignore your latest posts, but I’m travelling this week and then I’ll be inundated with Christmas related activities, so I won’t have much free time for a while. Regards.
@KVASEY The Warren Commission established the time at 1:16 although this contradicted the testimony of witnesses with times like 1:06 and 1:10. And I think the distance is more like a mile. If you look at it on Google Earth you can see just how close it is to Jack Ruby's home.
Not often mentioned is the bullet hole in the windshield of JFKs limo. There was a shot from the front too. Justice has yet to be done in this matter.
its the same with all theses major events in america the government makes up a lie and the majority of people believe them and when someone questions the official story people think they are mad
@wombweasel222 The majority of people believe a lie alright. Polls show that 75-80% of the population believes in JFK conspiracy. You’re not mad, you’re just allowing yourself to be guided by a preconception like the rest of the crowd. Government always lies. WC said lone gunman. Therefore, lone gunman theory is a lie. Case closed, forget the facts, logic & common sense. BTW polls also show the younger you are the more likely you believe in conspiracy. It’s the dumbing-down of America.
lol so this guy is tellin me 99.9 percent of witnesses in dealey plaza misheard 11 fuckin gun shots for 3 - 4 gunshots? i believe in some sort of conspiracy but 11 shots? you would think they hire some half way descent shooters. 11 shots but 9 misses guys! lol
i have proof..PROOF!!!!! that oswald did not do it i did a research on it and found some disturbing shit!!!!!
phatty2dope 5 days ago
This FBI guy is full of shit. He said Oswald had nothing to do with it. So why did Oswald leave work suddenly after the assasination and go whack a cop on the streets?
morrison1405 1 week ago
@morrison1405 : For the simple reason that he knew the minute it happened what the game was. As he said 'I am just a patsy'. As for shooting Tippet, well there is mystery surrounding that. All the witnesses that saw 2 men with Tippet were ignored, and the timing is all wrong. It is said that Oswald went to the cinema to meet his CIA Handler.
ipolson 1 week ago
@ipolson Oh, I thought maybe Oswald stole a whole box of Fleshlights from the TSD and was running home with them when Tippet caught him so Oswald capped him. So you're saying maybe some other 2 guys stole the box of Fleshlights and shot Tippet when confronted about the stolen merchandise. So what was Oswald meeting with his CIA handler at the cinema for? Probably to watch a porno and try out some new Fleshlights hey?
morrison1405 1 week ago
@morrison1405: Mock if you like. But even some of the people who invented and sold you the 'magic bullet - lone gunman' theory (the WC) doubted its findings later and as more information comes out (like the JEH memo which talks about a replacement patsy if LHO didnt follow instructions and be where he was supposed to be). Even LBJ himself denounced the WC findings, admitting it privately to Walter Kronkite (but warning him not to air it)
ipolson 1 week ago
@ipolson I mock, I mock!!!
morrison1405 5 days ago
If people want to be serious about this, they should drop all the bullshit about the grassy knoll and admit that Oswald was the shooter. It's almost like a deliberate misinformation campaign designed to confuse the public. Oswald fired the shots the killed Kennedy. The real question starts at, "Is it reasonable to conclude that an experienced political assassin by pure chance got a job at the perfect place to shoot the president just 5 weeks before the motorcade drove by?"
eBe4IXcept 2 weeks ago
@eBe4IXcept it's quite obvious to me that the shot that killed jfk came from the front right side of the president and certanly not from the back.i feel sorry for l.h.oswald that so many people today still think he is the shooter but for those still alive in 50 years from now will know the truth about all this and he will then be able to sleep in peace.
frankydoodytoo 2 weeks ago
@eBe4IXcept Ah, are you that naive? He claimed they changed facts he reported, in his official report. He pointed to out right lies found in the official reports. I have read the reports myself. How could you claim this is like a misinformation campaign. That's the dumbest thing I've ever herd, dis info serves a goal or purpose, what purpose would it service to claim he didn't do it? Tell me a logical motive this guy would have for lying about this?
TheGeneralOfWar 1 week ago
@TheGeneralOfWar Are you that naive? This disinformation throws naive morons off the trail of Oswald's co-conspirators. By defining this fantasy scenario, they set conditions of proof which can never be satisfied. That is the purpose, to keep you chasing ghosts while they reap the profits of their foul deed. Oswald did it, and his friends betrayed him. He's a guilty patsy.
eBe4IXcept 1 week ago
@eBe4IXcept I've got this bridge,it connects Manhattan and Brooklyn. I'm retiring so I'll let it go for a steal. Interested?
pranksterguy1 1 week ago
@eBe4IXcept: Why is it then that 4 of the WC members (plus LBJ himself) denounced the WC findings (ie the magic bullet/lone gunman theory) ? As Hoover said, the WC was set up to try and PROVE LHO did it not to investigate the crime. He actually said 'We must convince the American public that it was a lone shooter ie LHO' . Now why would he need to say that ? .
ipolson 1 week ago
This guy says GRASSY KNOLL and he backs it up with an informant who said OFFICE BUILDING! Very silly. Even if Milteer knew what he was talking about, it doesn't mean Oswald didn't do it. "They" used Oswald in the "office building." And he had 11 seconds to take three shots, even more when you consider that the 11 seconds doesn't include his set up time for the first shot. Plus, witnesses saw the gunman shooting from the window. Witnesses in the window directly below heard the bolt and shells.
eBe4IXcept 2 weeks ago
lee harvey also killed a cop that day so he had somthing to do with it .
Sloppyfrog66 2 weeks ago
@Sloppyfrog66 It's amazing what you can get people to believe! My Brooklyn Bridge offer is there for you as well!
pranksterguy1 1 week ago
2 minutes after the assassination Oswald was allegedly on the first floor, leaning against a soda machine, drinking a soda, and when authorities walked in he calmly asked them what all the commotion was about. Even if he was sadistic he would be out of breath from running down stairs at least.
d3ltadrive 2 weeks ago
JUSTICE MUST BE SERVERED
Steph3ns 3 weeks ago
If Oswal had "nothing to do with it" then explain why he left work at the Texas Schoolbook Depository, took a taxi and was found in a movie theater? Did Oswald just decide to bag the afternoon and take in a flick? Please, someone tell me.
Baldgol4 3 weeks ago
@Baldgol4 It's all a waste of time here because there are a million details and not enough space. A few books are needed. Not just for Oswald but for everything. Nothing is what it seems. There's a good chance Oswald was instructed to meet his "handler which was part of setting him up.
mrfester42 3 weeks ago
@Baldgol4 Oswalds own words " im just a patsy" indicates that he was involved. otherwise he would have said something along the lines of "this is just a big mistake", or "a case of mistaken identity". but at which level he was involved is of course unknown.
i dont think he was involved in the shooting. i think the shooters were from out of town, perhaps even out of country.
CT2507 2 weeks ago
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Next.
RAREpicture 3 weeks ago
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Oswald clearly committed the crime all by himself.
TheShel10 3 weeks ago
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Oswald clearly committed the crime all by himself.
TheShel10 3 weeks ago
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Oswald clearly committed the crime all by himself.
TheShel10 3 weeks ago
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Oswald clearly committed the crime all by himself.
TheShel10 3 weeks ago
Oswald clearly committed the crime all by himself.
TheShel10 3 weeks ago
RON PAUL 2012
mckheu 3 weeks ago 7
@mckheu; hey i don't know if i'm wrong here but i did research on Ron Paul's dad and I think he was a Mason. and that would be Ron Paul would be too right???
cyberbink 3 weeks ago
@cyberbink
Not all Freemason's are Bad people.
Many people are mason's , not all are in creepy sadistic hoarding groups.
Currently its important to check out wich people are mason's AND rich
Those are the ones that are doing some hoarding.
mckheu 2 weeks ago
@mckheu; i'm not saying they are bad people i was just pointing out the fact that i read Ron Paul's dad was. I for one hope that he is as true as he sounds; cause if he is even 75% of what he talks that's good enough for me; and i don't know why the rest of the nation doesn't vote this guy in; i mean the government won't like him because he's all about small government; but i think he's pretty great; that's just my opinion though. what do you think?
cyberbink 2 weeks ago
@cyberbink
I think The next 8 years are gonna be Revolutionairy
out of necessity.
Then when its all fixed , people are gonna get dumb again.
And fuck it up in repeat Style every 180-200 years.
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Like it has been , like it will be , as it is.
mckheu 2 weeks ago
@mckheu Lower level masons are deceived, higher ups are pure evil and have been desensitized into worshiping lucifer.
d3ltadrive 2 weeks ago
Army Intelligence Officer James Powell was found inside the TSBD building just after the shooting.After identifying himself to Dallas Police he was allowed to leave.
Oswald must have been james bond to pull off those impossible shots and then escape with Army Intelligence in the buidling.
themeaningoflife38 4 weeks ago
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DjangoLevee 4 weeks ago
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DjangoLevee 4 weeks ago
You can hear the entire conversation between Miltter and Somerset in the BBC Production called The Men Who Killed Kennedy. It was even aired on The History Channel in the late 80's. Hoover had sex and money blackmail evidence on just about everyone in Washington and Hollywood. He had Marilyn Monroe's house completely bugged from top to bottom. The bug were later found when they re-roofed the house.
TakeBackAmerica2012 1 month ago
I've heard at least five shots.
Boelcke1919 1 month ago
Thank you for the truth. This is WAY MORE than our government ever gave us. We pay for this gov't and they lie to us.
Boelcke1919 1 month ago
But I heard 3 shots.
eBe4IXcept 1 month ago
Israeli Mossad & CIA Killed JFK.
JFK opposed Nukes for Israel, tried to introduce interest free money, and tried to deescalate 'Nam.
With him dead, all 3 of these policies were reversed by Zionist LBJ.
Michael Collins Piper wrote a bestselling book indicting Israel called Final Judgment, and it was banned in America.
Zapruder (Jew) 'caught' the film and Jack 'Ruby' Rubenstein (Jew) was the patsy..
StSimonMartyr 1 month ago
11 shots-idiot!
MrKtd1 1 month ago
No.....Alex mason did
ninjaboi1593 1 month ago 2
There probably was a shooter in the TSBD and in the Records Building next to the TSBD as well as the knoll. Remember the Mark Lane movie "Executive Action?" Triangulated fire. The late expert Penn Jones said there were as many as nine shots fired. Why so many shooters and why the close up knoll? The plotters had to make sure, 100%, that JFK was not going to survive the attack. For if JFK had only been wounded he would still be in power and would have uncovered the culprits. Hanging them!
Humes53 1 month ago 2
WOW!!! Imagine that the U.S. Government covered something up!!! SAY IT IS NOT SO!!!
greymoose1000 1 month ago
How many BHOs to a JFK?
I'd say about 50, maybe 60.
emtom1966 1 month ago
Hahaha Lamb of God in the background at the start, great stuff xD
GhostsNSt00f 1 month ago
Only one thing. wrong with Don Adam's interview: he contradicts himself. First he said JFK was shot from the front, but then he implicates Milteer who said it would be done from an office building. So which is it?
ADAMSIXTIES 1 month ago
@ADAMSIXTIES jfk being shot from from the window is the official story.thats what he meant.
heapssicay 1 month ago
Just put your paws up, Swazi.
'cause you were born this way.
emtom1966 1 month ago
I bet Swazi himself has a perfect 50/50 record in the activity that jacobj5 refers to.
Something we can all agree on.
emtom1966 1 month ago
Oswald's USMC shooting record is available at: Anderson Exhibit 1.
The USMC considered Oswald is a poor shot. His last qualified shooting was on 6 May 59, and was the bare minimum score.
jacobji5 1 month ago
@jacobji5 And how does your shooting record read?
I have had bad days. and very good days where I have placed three 30.06 bullets into a .25 ct quarter at 100 yards. Over all, his record was very good.
michaelpilot1000 1 month ago
@michaelpilot1000 overall his record was very poor. I go by the record, not your make believe bs. Furthermore, the FBI is on record for lying about witness testimonies. And the doctors at parkland all agree it was a frontal shot on the head.
jacobji5 1 month ago
@jacobji5 They all agreed it was a frontal shot to the throat. They described the head as "badly damaged". They didn't or couldn't say where the head shot came from. But the throat wound was regarded as a wound of entry.
66ott7 1 month ago
@66ott7 They couldn't say it. But, the driver did shoot his .45. Several witnesses saw Greer shoot and reported it. It was a rifle shot to the throat, and the .45 to the head. Greer worked for the CIA, even though he got his SS check. Just like so many media liars.
Next time you see the Z film, the disinformation "sun glare" only last as long as Greer wiping it out and putting it back to his holster. Anyway, the Z film is a proven altered fraud.
jacobji5 1 month ago
@jacobji5 The driver being a shooter is the most ridiculous theory ever to come out of the assassination. You can clearly see both his hands in front of him. Don't you think people wpuld have seen that? Are you mental? Ramblings of a mad man.
66ott7 1 month ago
@66ott7 Mary Moorman - said Greer was shooting. Thought he was shooting back at an assassin. SOURCE: WC Report.
Jean Hill - said she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, but Sen. Arlen Spector would change the subject. Not called by the WC.
Austin P. Miller - was asked by Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." SOURCE: WC Report & NY Times.
Numerous cops, SS, civilians who wanted JFK dead, or threatened to shut up.
jacobji5 1 month ago
@66ott7 Hugh Betzner – “I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped”. “I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car”. “I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car”. SOURCE: DPD statement, 22 Nov 63. Not called by the WC.
College journalism student Cheryl McKinnon, who also heard shots from the knoll.
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jacobji5 1 month ago
@jacobji5 ASS FUCK MY TITS
Drybones195 1 month ago
In response to the govt stooges such as BlueWolfe; the LHO official lie only works if you suspend the laws of physics, eject logic and deny your own eyes (even witgh the highly doctored Z footage). JFK was in a turkey shoot and died from shots from the front. LHO was the first designated stooge. The Warren commission followed. And the stooges continue to this day.
emtom1966 1 month ago
@emtom1966 Thankyou, you are 100% CORRECT with your comments. BlueWolfe is an idiot. The shooter in the book depository was not LHO, he was from the same mob that were hiding behind the picket fence at the grassy knoll. The Warren commission report is a joke and a disgrace.
TheEgertak 1 month ago
Oswald killed JFK.
He acted alone and there is no proof that says otherwise.
As for this video, well, 11 shots?
WTH?
Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen.
Just like 9/11.
It is all BS.
George Vreeland Hill
GeorgeVreelandHill 1 month ago
@GeorgeVreelandHill How much did the FBI pay you to say that?
smikesmike05 1 month ago
Mac Wallace's fingerprint proves LBJ Killed J.F.Kennedy. Because LBJ was Mac Wallace's boss.
Kawanya37 1 month ago
The Turni 6.5 Italian Carcano used by Oswald to murder the President was, and is, a reliable and efficient killing machine in the hands of an average shooter. It was well suited for the circumstances in Dallas as a medium range sniper weapon. Conspiracy Theorists have made their case that everyone in Dallas except Oswald took a shot at Kennedy that day; however the physical evidence places him at that moment in time with the means to execute. Where is the "evidence" to the contrary ???
BlueWolfe38 1 month ago
@BlueWolfe38 Oswald wasn't an average shooter, either. He earned the rank of sharp shooter in the Marines.
Swazi4 1 month ago
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TheLensSolution 1 month ago
@Swazi4 Oswald couldn't make those shots - that has been proven many times. His military buddies say he was an average shot, and expert marksman haven't even been able to duplicate what he supposedly did. Btw, look up the video here where Gov. Jesse Ventura (who was a Navy Seal and expert shot) demonstrates how Oswald couldn't have made the shots.
TheLensSolution 1 month ago
@TheLensSolution He wasn't a SEAL, no matter how many times he says it. He was part of UDT.
Also, how do you explain Oswald's marksman books from the Marines? From well past the distance he was from Kennedy, with an iron site M1, he would hit a target 48/50, and again 49/50. If he was such an average shooter, why did he get the rank of sharp shooter in the Marines?
And finally, yeah, marksmen have duplicated the shot. It's on youtube.
Swazi4 1 month ago
@Swazi4 There are no books on Oswald's shooting. There is no 48 49/50 crap. By the way, do you and bluewolfe always have homo sex in his moms basement? Which one of you boys licks the shit hole?
jacobji5 1 month ago
@jacobji5 Good come back. Blindly deny everything then make a slur. You fit in well with most conspiracy theorists. And yeah, Oswald's marksman books exist.
Swazi4 1 month ago
@Swazi4 prove the 48-49/50 book exist. You can't do it. The real shooting record is already on the web. Continue sucking your boyfriend.
jacobji5 1 month ago
@Swazi4 UDT & SEALS are basically interchangeable. Stop distracting from the main issue. The point is that many people, Jesse Ventura being one of them, couldn't replicate the shots Oswald supposedly did. Ventura qualified as an expert marksman. If you have more shooting experience than he does, I'm open to seeing you post your own video demonstration.
TheLensSolution 1 month ago
@TheLensSolution again Lens, watch the doco the lost bullet. Have you watched it yet?.
The original time frame in which to shoot the President with that bolt action rifle was incorrect! it was more like 11 sec. Please watch it and then comment. PLEASE.
eastpross 1 month ago
@eastpross I may look at it, but if it's just going to be another 'Oswald did it alone' theory, there's not much point. Do you realize the whole debate about bullets is just a distraction? There is overwhelming evidence of a conspiracy in every other aspect of the case. So the endless debate about bullets doesn't go anywhere. Douglas Horne, of the Assassination Records Review Board has published a book showing the government altered the Zapruder film and JFK's body. It was not Oswald.
TheLensSolution 1 month ago
@TheLensSolution Perhaps you can give me some links or something to suggest your point/ id be happy to look at it. lead me to the overwhelming evidence and ill do my part too. sound good? i may agree with you in the end, but from what ive seen so far, not yet.
Respectfully. ;) I must remind you, you have an argument with someone here on the fact of the bullets couldnt be shot by Ventura! You WILL find the doco somewhat compelling.
eastpross 1 month ago
I have viewed numerous videos of dirty windows in Dealey Plaza and mystery blobs behind the picket fence. Overwhelmingly the evidence gathered by the Dallas Police, the FBI, and the Warren Commission leads me to conclude that Lee Harvey Oswald did in fact murder President Kennedy. While Legions of Conspiracy Lunatics continue to insist that this could not be the case, at my age, I am relatively certain that I will not be able to wait another 50 years for them to produce ANY evidence of the same.
BlueWolfe38 1 month ago
@BlueWolfe38 The 'evidence' as you refer to it was manipulated, destroyed, burned in fires (eg. autopsy notes) or taken away and never seen again. The Warren Commission violated all basic laws of criminal procedure and the chain of evidence. What they did would never hold up in court. It would be dismissed by a judge or jury, just as happens every day in courtrooms all over the world. J. Edgar Hoover even admitted in a transcript they had virtually no case against Oswald.
TheLensSolution 1 month ago
More PROOF of shots from the FRONT- Google search the statement of Parkland ER Nurse Patricia Hutton. As soon as JFK arrived at Parkland she held a bandage on the rear of JFK's head.She saw TWO entrance wounds in the FRONT of JFK's head and huge EXIT wound in the REAR. For some reason her statement was Classified "TOP SECRET" for decades.
themeaningoflife38 2 months ago
im sorry if you have over TWENTY EXPERT MARKSMEN who took the same EXACT SHOTS from the Texas book Depository and or of equal value in length height & width of the TBD and ALL FAILED....somebody else did it....theres just nothing else to it but that
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watch the doco "the lost bullet". It proves that it was indeed possible for oswald to fire those shots and how much longer it took to fire them than first realised. Oh well, we all love a conspiracy, but not in this case it would seem. The only conspiracy that could be drawn is why Oswald killed him anyway.
eastpross 2 months ago
@eastpross Conspiracies do exist, and they happen all the time. When you say "we all love a conspiracy" you make it sound like it's just something that happens in the movies. Julius Caesar, Abraham Lincoln and many other famous men have been assassinated in conspiracies, and so was JFK.
TheLensSolution 2 months ago
@TheLensSolution Excellent point. Everything Government is not a conspiracy. But this is. A more connected example is south east Asia. Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers. Nixon and Watergate etc. Norman Mailer described the Kennedy assassination best by saying its an "incredible morass. The over all gets lost in non-sense debates. There are few rhetorical questions in this rabbit hole. Thought many are so mislead as to feel they ask them. Alice In Wonderland ;)
NOC1TIME 2 months ago
Explain the head shot of JFK taking apart half his brains!There had to be two shooters.....case closed!
ole714 2 months ago
@ole714 2 shooters who hit the head at almost the exact same second
job1866 2 months ago
what else is new.
Aldebaron9 2 months ago
the original agent Mulder
MegaLink117 2 months ago
another high school trick beavis, it won't do ya any good. yer not goin anywhere.Your behavior is infantile and yer actions are predictable. Join the humane race. Have a good look at the big picture and deal with it.
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
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jonnydupe07 2 months ago
I heard the government did it because the president would not go for the Vietnam war.
Vegheadsrock 2 months ago
we just have 2 wait til 2020 for some new footage to come out. then we will know.
ChristianHolloway7 2 months ago
Search YT 'Proof the FBI LIED in their JFK Assassination Reports'. Says all you need to know
ipolson 2 months ago
Those times are close enough & still fit in Oswalds known locations. Watches can be off a few minutes & so can witness time guestimates. Even ignoring the exact timing, Oswald tried to shoot the arresting officer at Dallas theater. How many gunslingers were in that vicinity that afternoon? We know for sure of one that just happened to also be near the JFK shooting 45 minutes earlier? Are you implying Ruby shoot Tippit? Ruby is too tall, fat & old to match eyewitness descriptions of killer.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY Aquilla Clemmons gave a description of one of the two men she witnessed that matches rather closely to Ruby. The other man was tall and was wearing a white shirt. Bernard Haire,witnessed a man in a white pullover shirt taken out of the back of the Texas Theater. Police records say that Lee was arrested in the balcony of the theater and on it goes.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 It doesn’t matter what floor he was arrested on. The key issues are: 1-That Oswald was at the theater at all (only 45 minutes after JFK shooting). 2-He entered without a ticket (in the middle of the movie). 3-He had a gun on him. 4-He tried to shoot the arresting officer. 5-A cop was shot less than 15 minutes earlier ½ mile away. 1-4 he did on his own, no one set him up. Even if there were no witnesses to Tippit murder, O is still incriminated because of 2-4.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY Exactly...and they had the receipt with his alias name used to get the rifle...the rifle at the crime scene with the 3 shell casings and his palm print on rifle and index prints on the box used to support rifle...case closed.
clev9980 2 months ago
@KVASEY That's a lot of ground to cover. Anyway Julia Postal in one interview broke down crying when asked if Lee did purchase a ticket. Another time she was not sure. Finally, she says no? Lee did buy some popcorn and tried to talk to some girl who disappeared out of history. But as I am a Conspiracy Theorist let's talk conspiracy. Let's say Lee was at the theater to meet his contact who was going to get him out of town. He had been dropped off earlier and knew nothing of Tippits .
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@KVASEY death, he was sure not going far on his own with 13 dollars and change in his pockets. Yeah, you seen this movie before. LOL
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
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@KVASEY ConspiracyDog, I don’t mean to ignore your latest posts, but I’m travelling this week and then I’ll be inundated with Christmas related activities, so I won’t have much free time for a while. Regards.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 Testimony needs to be weighed properly. Is it central to a key issue or peripheral? How certain is the witness of each particular point? (General information is normally reliable, specifics are frequently wrong.) How reliable is the witness? A mishmash of suspicious sounding tidbits, no matter how many, adds up to nothing if it has no weight. And don't just throw these things out there. Make a point! Then explain how that point supports a conclusion and singular theory.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY That"s a lot of big words to ask which witnesses do you believe and which one's do you not.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 You determine what to believe by using sound judgment to weight evidence using those principles. Don’t be guided by preconceptions. i.e. From top post in this forum: “its the same with all theses major events in america the government makes up a lie and the majority of people believe them” That’s the mindset people bring to this subject. If WC had said Oswald was innocent and true shooter got away; Current CTers would instead be saying WC were morons for that conclusion.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY How you ever noticed that there are so many could-have's in this case. Especially in the time line. Like, "we timed it with a stop watch and he could-have got down the stairs, he could-have walked that mile if we add a little time here." And, "we had a group of shooters with the same type of rifle replicate the shot and if you discount the times the weapon jammed some of them did it so Lee could-have."
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 I'm not quite sure what your point is regarding "could-have's". Is there a problem with performing test to determine if something is pausible or not?
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY Of course there is no problem with performing tests.Thats not the point/question. The problem is with couldhave, shouldhave, wouldhave.
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@KVASEY I am an old dog and I just got into this about a year ago while watching a clip of the Zapruder Film. I have a fair knowledge of shooting and I immediately determined that the head shot was a subsonic hollow point, from the front. As for the WC, one can tell they had a predetermined objective from the people they did not make "shinning stars" or even talk to. And this case does get deep.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 Thanks for injecting some truth into this discussion, some common sense. The WC believers aren't seeing the wool being pulled over their eyes, they just don't want to believe this could happen,and I don't blame them. WC just didn't take testimony from certain folks who had info that they didn't want on record.I appreciate that you have knowledge of shooting, I don't but even as a novice it's kind of obvious to see the nature and effect of that shot.
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@jonnydupe07 Thank you so much. It's good to meet a fellow traveler on The Dark Side. I have a video on my channel where I shoot a milk jug with a .357, it's uncanny, at least to me, how much the result resembles the Zapruder film.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@jonnydupe07 Injecting truth and common sense? People don’t believe in a lone-gunman because WC says so. Assuming this, as CTers so often do, demonstrates a lack of common sense on their part. Believing that dozens of people were willingly recruited into Presidential assassination and no one blew the whistle also demonstrates a lack of common sense.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY Excuse me but I have already addressed this point to some extent,read the previous posts. Nobody is saying that dozens of people were willingly recruited into Presidential assassination. People in high places often understand the situation and what needs to be done, especially if they are of the same mindset. It's a subtle concept,unlike your aggressive probes. The folks in the WC knew what was at stake,like a Ref in a big game. They don't throw games but they know how to influence it.
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 And the pertinent testimony and other records will be locked/sealed away for x amount of years.Yes this case does get deep. I certainly don't understand all of the angles and I am not interested in the overall number of different theories or their seeming contradictions, I just wan the truth to prevail. LHO did not act alone. So many political and other overtones make it difficult to really see it all clearly, for everyone!
Regards
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 Front shot: 1) Stabalized super slowmotion Z-film shows forward movement first. 2) Z313 show that streak of blood going upward and forward. 3) It seems that a shot from the fence would have had to hit Jackie too. 4)The target has a lot of left to right movement if shooting from the fence & leaves little time to take aim. 5) The fence is a terrible snipers nest due to a lack of seclusion. 6)Moveback backward was neuro-muscular reflex just like neck shot caused arms to go up.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY • Clint Hill, the Secret Service Agent who was sheltering the President with his body on the way to the hospital, described "The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car." This was a shot from the front with a big, slow, hollow point. Hate to be graphic but it makes a little hole going in and a big hole coming out. It also transfers a tremendous amount of energy to the target. Just what we see in the film.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 …continued7) We look back at the assassination’s success and may forget that success wasn’t a sure thing. If their was a mastermind, I think he’d want a high probability of success. Shooting at a moving target from a distance could fail. It’s much better to shoot up close like Lincoln & RFK or shoot from a distance at a standing target like MLK, when JFK was at airport or Trade Mart. Oswald didn’t have the luxury of choosing another time & place.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 I agree with the WC’s lone gunman conclusion, but not because they say so. People should and do come to their own conclusions, but they shouldn’t automatically reject the WC conclusion just because it was a “government” report. If WC had predetermined objection were they “in on it”. The WC included some “big people”, so I refer back to my argument about the Conspiracy problem of recruiting so many big people willing to commit such an act.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY But the WC refused to call Styles or Garner, refused to do any time trials and in effect treated Victoria like dirt. Easy to see why. If Victoria's testimony is accepted the case against Lee Oswald falls apart.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 Forget the WC. Nobody's conclusion is based on some commissions conclusion. But, even if you have a list of criticisms of it as long as your arm, you still may come to the same conclusion. Forget JFK for a minute. If you're on jury and 1 witness contracts the testimony of 3 other witnesses, what are you going to do?
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY I understand, but in this case Victoria did not contradict anyone. She contradicted an unproven assumption, That Lee did the shooting from the 6'th floor. And almost 50 years later it remains to be proven. Jesse Curry said, "We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did. Nobody's yet been able to put him in the building with a gun in his hand." They treated her badly because they had to.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@KVASEY I think they had a predetermined objective to rubber stamp the FBI report and avoid any conspiracy at all costs. Victoria Adams is the girl on the stairs. Victoria left her office within seconds of the assassination and immediately went down the back stairs. Her coworker, Sandra Styles was with her and Mrs. Garner who I think was their boss corroborated her story.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@KVASEY Not according to Acquilla Clemons
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@jonnydupe07 Why would Ruby kill Tippit?
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY Why would Ruby kill Oswald?
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
Obviously, if someone was ask to participate they would know they risked being killed if they declined. So, no one in the CIA or FBI was smart enough to temporarily feign willingness, reach safety and then blow the whistle thus saving JFK and themselves? No one would be dumb enough to say 'Kill JFK? No, thanks. See ya later. Good luck with that." Also, what about the big players...they were all willing? Otherwise, what high ranking person was murdered in the period preceding 11/22?
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY Whacking high ranking people is another problem altogether much to telling almost a give away! Each individual group in this case knew their role, part, and what they had to do. They almost had to be willing. Everybody understood the consequences of the truth going public. Including Ruby.
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
The Limo driver did the kill shot & Treasury were either threatened or blackmailed by major shareholders of the US Fed in paedophilia scams illegally run by CIA as were Dallas & Texas state police.
Linden Alabama was where Bush himself was first got (Blackmailed) & only a 100% Congressional Amnesty will save the US & the world as the cycle of amoral stupidity in the light of the ever increasing spiral of political blackmail is destroying what's left of the US soul as well as it's constitution.
spacelizardlaw 2 months ago
oh boy! i'm no expert on the subject but this is some frightening stuff. They actually conspired and killed that man. Sad.
charms71 2 months ago
Mr. John Adams, appears to be exposing TRUE Facts. ----- For the 'inside-inside' TRUE Facts, suggest you view, "Greatest Video Ever" on YouTube of the murders of JFK, MLK, Etc. at: youtube.com/watch?v=RJR3azgge_Y
PreacherDoc1 2 months ago
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Oswald had nothing to do with it"? Yeah. That's why brought disappearing curtain rods to work, fled the scene immediately, went home to change jackets and get .38, entered a movie theater without buying a ticket, tried to shot the arresting officer and was defiant when interrogated.
Sure, a military trained shooter is going to kill the President, then try to avoid the authorities BY KILLING A COP? NO WAY JOSE
leochoquette 2 months ago
"Oswald had nothing to do with it"? Yeah. That's why brought disappearing curtain rods to work, fled the scene immediately, went home to change jackets and get .38, entered a movie theater without buying a ticket, tried to shot the arresting officer and was defiant when interrogated.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY the curtain rods were a fabrication that was ONLY ratifies by WC 'witnesses'; he didn't 'flee' - but walked out as per instruction from his controller (probably E. Howard Hunt); his .38 revolver wouldn't have ejected the shells at Tippit's murder scene; how do we know how 'defiant' he was when interrogated? THEY TOOK NO NOTES !!
You've got nothin'
reefergladness 2 months ago
@reefergladness What evidence is there to discredit Buell Frazier's testimony? On the contrary he was initially grilled for being a possible co-conspirator. LHO was told to leave minutes after the shooting by probably somebody?? Roy Truly was the one that noticed LHO was missing. Why would anyone at SBD tell anyone else to leave?
KVASEY 2 months ago
@reefergladness I didn’t say anything about Tippit but now that you mention it... Oswald returned home at 1pm. Tippit was shot around 1:15 Oswald was seen entering Texas Theater 1:30. It’s about ½ mile from boarding house to Tippit murder site and another ½ mile to theater. Oswald entered theater mid-movie, no ticket & tried to shoot arresting officer.
KVASEY 2 months ago
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@KVASEY You can't convict someone on this alone. But it's certainly prima facie evidence against him. If Oswald had nothing to do with JFK assassination or Tippit murder, he sure had a bad case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time with guilty written all over his face.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY Buell Frazier was a star witness for the WC - about half a dozen employees @ the TSBD saw O in the morning and none saw him with curtain rods - lo and behold - none of them were called for testimony whilst Frazier and people like Ruth Paine dominated procedings...
There's a myriad of people (upwards of 100) who submitted info, or offered to testify at the Commission. Including Jack Ruby for Heaven's sake!!
they were ignored or in some cases - their statements were straight forged !
reefergladness 2 months ago 3
@reefergladness I’m sure Oswald hid the gun within minutes of arriving before others saw him. Naturally, he wouldn’t parade around with it all morning. Lack of additional witnesses to the package doesn’t justify dismissing Frazier’s testimony. What is your opinion…2 shooters but Oswald wasn’t one of them? His own brother believes he did it. That should speak volumes.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY Maybe but it did he do it alone? It doesn't speak to that at all.
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@reefergladness The WC was not an infallible group of people with unlimited resources and unlimited time. I’ve made errors big and small; none of them intentionally or nefarious. How could so many people be recruited into assassination coverup; with none declining & whistleblowing to avert the act? The number required bends credulity.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY by killing those wjo don't tow the line..
see Lee Bowyers etc
reefergladness 2 months ago
@KVASEY They sure weren't an infallible group of people... I agree.But the crime of the century? They have resources for that! and plenty of time, it's what they do, it's their job. No to mention all the witness' they excluded, I'm sure they saved some money(resources) there. And nefarious, maybe not. People in high places sometimes understand what needs to be done, without specific orders.All of those people knew what was at stake. A lie that big just couldn't get out. They all knew it.
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@jonnydupe07 There’s nothing they could have done that would have satisfied CTers. They’re research couldn’t have gone on ad infinitum. You’re assuming that they believed that the public would believe whatever they said. Calling them corrupt is one thing, but naïve? What was at stake? What could get out? Most people believed in conspiracy from day 1, it was already out.
KVASEY 2 months ago
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jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@KVASEY You mean from day 1..AFTER the mainstream media/WR account.At least thats when I began to have doubts. As far as the WC goes in terms of ad infinitum...why not, that was their job, thats all they had to do. They were created to do just that. I would think that the crime of the century deserved the utmost and careful considerations and certainly comprehensive research.I just think they omitted certain testimony and shaped their investigation and findings to suit their own needs not naïve
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@KVASEY But yes corrupt. I'm not calling them nefarious/evil people I'm just saying that maybe like the Refs in a big game they could influence the outcome. I don't think they were recruited/handpicked or maybe not even briefed. But they knew what was going on and what was at stake and what needed to be done.Consider the consequences of a different outcome! What if a conspiracy had been uncovered? chaos would surely ensue.Maybe the WC were hero's, patriots.
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@KVASEY "How could so many people be recruited into assassination coverup" Indulge me here, for a minute. Lets compare this to an unrelated situation, but with similar undercurrents. The NBA.Every one of us(bb fans) has said at one time that the officials could possibly determine the outcome of a game.No one is saying that they are paid to throw games or told by the league to throw games. That would be a conspiracy, with plenty of folks to blow the whistle. The refs KNOW what to do on their own.
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@jonnydupe07 "How could so many people be recruited into assassination coverup" Not hard, because you would only need a few. A head of the FBI to say, "we have our man no need for any other inquires.' That would help a lot. A president that wants it settled, "for the good of the country." That would help a lot.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 Good point dog....I have actually forgotten some of these things. I can just hear (almost) hehe, lbj saying those words...so convincingly to the masses. I had just quoted kvasey in hopes of pointing these things out. They didn't have to be recruited, they are all on the same team and know what needs to be done.
Cheers
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@jonnydupe07 "Good evening, my fellow Americans:" I can remember it as well. LOL.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@jonnydupe07 As the worlds worst basketball player, I don't watch it. But I'm guessing there's only 4 or 5 refs. That number is small enough that it very possible none would blow the whistle. JFK conspiracy requires a much much larger number, most of which don't have an existing relationship, unlike refs. Refs would get paid big bucks to rig a game, but what's the motivation of all these assassination participants? Naturally, the difference in the severity of the crime weakens this analogy.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY You make a good point,but it's not the number exactly that I'm referring to,it's the mentality/mindset. Because it's not really a conspiracy that the refs would be involved in it's more like a common good for the cause. No one really had to tell them to do it, they understand whats needed. They work for the league.Like the WC they didn't need to be recruited and they understood the severity and the crime and the implications. Actually in my mind they had good sense to avoid the truth.
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@jonnydupe07 Jonny, I don’t mean to ignore your latest posts, but I’m travelling this week and then I’ll be inundated with Christmas related activities, so I won’t have much free time for a while. Regards.
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY I totally understand, thanks for the heads up.Good luck with everything and I'll see ya on the other side.
Cheers
JD
jonnydupe07 2 months ago
@KVASEY The Warren Commission established the time at 1:16 although this contradicted the testimony of witnesses with times like 1:06 and 1:10. And I think the distance is more like a mile. If you look at it on Google Earth you can see just how close it is to Jack Ruby's home.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 WC established time of 1:16 for which event? Also, what is your point regarding Jack Ruby?
KVASEY 2 months ago
@KVASEY 1:16 was the time of the assassination of Officer Tippit and was just pointing out how close Jack lived to where Tippit was killed.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@KVASEY you don't know shit about 11/22/1963,so why waste our time?
nicenonya3 2 months ago
Not often mentioned is the bullet hole in the windshield of JFKs limo. There was a shot from the front too. Justice has yet to be done in this matter.
Barnekkid 3 months ago
LBJ is the REAL Murderer who killed kennedy!
Ladyfox441 3 months ago
its the same with all theses major events in america the government makes up a lie and the majority of people believe them and when someone questions the official story people think they are mad
wombweasel222 3 months ago 5
@wombweasel222 The majority of people believe a lie alright. Polls show that 75-80% of the population believes in JFK conspiracy. You’re not mad, you’re just allowing yourself to be guided by a preconception like the rest of the crowd. Government always lies. WC said lone gunman. Therefore, lone gunman theory is a lie. Case closed, forget the facts, logic & common sense. BTW polls also show the younger you are the more likely you believe in conspiracy. It’s the dumbing-down of America.
KVASEY 2 months ago
He is nuts!!!
MrGuitartramp 3 months ago
Hear hear..........But who hired him? The Warren Commission were a bunch of old men in a cover up for a very high poliical Figure, and no not Nixon
sixnightsaweek 3 months ago 5
Hear hear..........
sixnightsaweek 3 months ago
lol so this guy is tellin me 99.9 percent of witnesses in dealey plaza misheard 11 fuckin gun shots for 3 - 4 gunshots? i believe in some sort of conspiracy but 11 shots? you would think they hire some half way descent shooters. 11 shots but 9 misses guys! lol