Well buddy, I aint Christian. If you look into the Qur'an it has religious AND scientific facts aswell. It has more information than the Bible and Torah and is IMPOSSIBLE to be written by MEN, I have proof supporting this sentence. I like science myself, but to deny god because of science is plain idiotness. ''Because God said so'' is also a sentence I myself dont like. We are given minds and free will to understand the Universe, but to judge a Creator, we have no such power. I see more than you
@ArselAcar Do yourself and your religion the honor of calling it faith, don't say its based in science, you wont get away with it. Its faith friend, just like all the other religions out there.. oh no wait, of the thousands of religions that exist, yours is the only true one right? Give your head a shake, think critically, not just about what you have been brainwashed into believing. If god exists, why not give us some clear evidence...
@ArselAcar there is as much science in your religion as their is in saying the grand canyon was carved with noah's flood. don't sit here and try to pull that shit, you sound like a dumbass calling faith science.. Thats like calling the bible historically fact. there is NO evidence that moses wandered the desert for 40 years, there is NO evidence that jews were slaves in eqypt. You believe this stuff cause u were told since childhood its true. Your parents did u a great dis-service.
BTW There are better videos that show the name of Allah on the world map, this one its hard to really see. Oh and those here that support Richard Dawkins, research Evolution better, it does not exist. Mutations are %99 harmful and %1 uneffective, but lets say evolution did exist, are you saying we Humans are a deformation of primates? Hm, funny, I dont see monkeys ruling the world. And if you're an Atheist, answer me this, why ONLY US? Out of billions of creatures, why us? Coincidence? :)
@ArselAcar opposable thumbs, an enlarged frontal lobe, the discovery that trees started to grow where the old shit hole was!evolution is proven so many ways, in every aspect of life.(not just human) Religion says creation is true because a book written by people 2000 years ago who knew nothing of microbiology says it was. when they find a hole in something, they study to find it, religion just says "god does it" how unsatisfactory is that answer.. the truth is so beautiful, but you cant see it.
We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?
wait wait wait... are u saying god or allah is responsible for the continental shifts? are u saying "god" wrote a message to people via the continents? I hate ignorant gullible people, don't be stupid.
@mstounsi the last revelation was a bunch of bull, jesus isnt coming back, he only got to perform miracles because he carved gods name in his hand, and he never did on the cross, his dear freidns snuck him some food.
anyways, your missing my poiint, ARAMAIC IS NEW COMPARED TO OTHERS.
hebrew was an example, but if you want to go older then hebrew, summarian text bitch, it dates back to 14,000 years ago.of course its not that old, god made it look that old, like he gave the universe history.
-Some say the state of Israel is the messiah.. lots of Jews don't believe in it, i do neither.. war never stopped since this state was established, ... yeah there were wars before
-If something is written on the globe by the will of God, wouldn't be more logical that it's in the language of people who can understand it? the language of a reveation? why should it be in the oldest language? i mean i understand your point, but i'm looking for its sense..
@shoshanish No worry, i noticed it since the start, but thought you did.. Aramaic was the language of Jesus, yet he's from prophet David's bloodline.. almost nobody speaks this language anymore... just some few in syria apparently..
sorry if i got you bored, but it was nice exchanging with you.
@mstounsi there is no sense in this, don't be stupid.
1. God doesn't exist.
2. If there were a god (which there isn't) it wouldn't communicate with humans.
3. There is no god!
4. Come on guys, there are thousands of religions in the world, what makes all of them wrong and your right?
5. This asshole just took paint program and drew lines on the globe, I could do that too but my lines would look like a big pair of titties and me suckin em.
ok you don't believe in god that is your choice, but do you believe in mathmetics ? explain to me how is it possible all matter in the universe started, in mathmetics you cant say it just appeared or it was always there, everything must come from somewhere, in numbers what can you do to make the number 0 (nothing) to something, you cant, only other solution is, it is created... there is no other solution, same goes with life, life can never start and evolve from somthing lifeless
@tecellos It is estimated (by people much smarter than you) that there are a billion billion planets in the universe. estimated that the chance of a planet being in what is referred to as the goldilocks zone in which water is liquid, and the sun isn't too hot ect is 1 in a billion. you wanna talk math? what are the chances that we are the only group?? what are the chances that "the creator" has made contact with humans. what are the chances that a jewish minx couldn't tell a lie??your gullible
first of all 1 out of a billion realtively habitable planets is bulls..., it could just be 1000x times more or less, the technology to indicate this is very poor. The god of the jews is the same as the moslims. I just say nothing happens out of itself, nothing can create itself and that is the proof there is a being much bigger than ourselfs and if you want to call him hela, god or allah it doesnt matter, but he is there
@tecellos Well that number came from Richard Dawkins, a much much smarter person than you or I. So do you pray to your creator?? Has he walked on earth too?? Do you really think there is an all knowing presence in the universe? Son, you need a good hitchslapping!
how do you kow that he is smarter than me ? do you know me ? your so adored Richard made his calculation on the info at hand a.t.m. and what i am saying you that info is by far too summier to make a decent calculation you know why ? becouse we eartlings have just took a few groundsamples of the easiest planet avaible to us. The only place expet earth we
sat foot on our own moon (wich is also discutable by many), so how can this richard make that calculation and say it is accurat
@tecellos I think it safe to assume that Richard Dawkins, an evolutionary professor at Oxford is smarter then someone arguing on youtube. Thats just an overview argument. Now because he is an educator at the most highly regarded schools in Europe, I think it safe to assume he has access to knowledge and resources that you could not possibly speculate. You know those early samples of the first humanoids, They would let him take them home for the weekend.Comparing yourself to Richard Dawkins.LOL
that he gives leassons in Oxford doesnt change the fact that his assumptions are based on very thin materials, on top of that 500 years ago the best schools on world teached that earth was flat becouse also for the reason that they had not the capability to see what was really the case, this guys theory is just assumption on materials he got and what he got is almost nothing, just some halfass pictures, my source is on the otherhand is from an allknowing omnipotent being
@tecellos So he has evidence, and urs is made up?? HAHAHAHA!!! So he shows you physical evidence for things, and you say its 3000 years old, we dont need study, we know it all. You sound like a puttz, but thanks for trying, you make me feel much smarter when you say stuff like that.
btw, did you knew that we on earth with al the knowledge and technology we have at the moment don't know the exact combination of metal mictures in earths core, we even don't know for sure it is fluid metal that is rotating, we just presume it becouse rotating metal creates magnetic fields like earth has, but on the other hand we believers know for sure that this is the case becouse it is written in detail in our holy book already for 1500 years
@tecellos and how did they know what's in the middle of the earth??? Oh..... God told them.. thats evidence enough for me. LOL I hope you see the truth someday and stop waisting your life praying to the invisible man in the sky.
what i actually find interesting is, that god says in the holy book '' I have build the skies in 7 layers'', if we count our atmosfhere as 1, our solar system as 2, the milkyway galaxy as 3, universum where the milkyway galaxy is in as 4, must mean there are also 3 other layers, why i am saying this is modern technoly thinks that our universum is the end, there is nothing beyond
@tecellos so u say there is 7 layers and identify 4?? great argument! and its science that Identified those "layers" not ur fucking book. stop trying to read something into nothing.. thats why davinci's "codes" are always wrong. dude, you cant mix religion with science, it doesnt meld. 1 is based on provable theories, the other is total fucking bullshit. Call it faith, keep prayin to nobody, and stay the fuck out of my science room!
the faith u describe is blind faith like christianities dark ages, ours on the other hand encourages sience and I looooove sience, want to hear every theory and all kind of varieties, but it is true that most scientific discoveries are made by non believers, but this still doesn't mean that our religion wants to keep its folowers stupid, if that was the case i never would support it
@tecellos your faith encourages martyrs to kill themselves in the name of god. Why would a god, a great creator of everything on earth, want 1 of his creatures to destroy the other?? In the end there will be a rapture and global destruction anyway right? So why does god (having just created them) want another species he created to destroy them?? All faiths say they have science on their side, but science says there is NO SUPERNATURAL!! NONE!!! you say "There is.. Want proof?? Read OUR bible."
no absolutely not, the only reason we are allowed to kill a human being is when there is no other way to protect your own life, your families life, your country and your property, killing is 1 of the biggest sins. This goes so far that it is even better that if a thief enters your house and there is no choice 1 of you has to die, it is better to die yourself to give the sinner the chance to find the right path. god created mankind to test them.
@BoggsDiamond ok tell me, if i blow up a japanese building and say i did for the blue whales, does this make me a animal lover ? same goes for terrorist, it is not important what you say but what you do, our believe sais do not harm anything alive, this goes for nature, animals and espescially for humans, if it really said kill any unbeliever and you will go to heaven, why would 1,5 billion muslims suffer awhole life instead of just kill any unbeliever u see ? i see thousands every day...
no muslim support terrorsit attacks neither does it help us a bit, what good did blowing up the twin towers did good to real muslims worldwide tell me just 1.. you cant, USA invaded almost half muslim reagons, killed millions of our brothers.... we dont support terrorist and we never will
@tecellos however, the terrorists were "muslim extremists" were they not?? Were they not following orders in the koran to be martyrs and they will live forever in paradise with the prophets?? Tell me that's not what the Koran was telling these guys? Just cause you don't act on your beliefs doesn't make it a better person, it makes you a non-believer, I applaud them for having the faith that they do, I just wish they could see thru the bullshit and see that all religions(2k+) are probably wrong.
how do you come to the conclusion that sience sais there is no supernatural power ? if you believe in the chaos theory than you i understand your opinion but it is just a theory it is not proven. n
@tecellos because people have been trying to prove it for years, and no such luck. There is a labratory somewhere in the states that offers 1 million dollars to anyone who can reproduce anything supernatural what so ever. send one of ur faith healers over the bud! 1 little modicom of proof, give me 1 example to prove god exists, and is the god you worship.
@BoggsDiamond The world is 5.8billion years old,over 5 million species,that 5 million is 1% of all species to ever exist.50000 years ago was a global warming distaster bringing the number of homosapians in africa down to between 30000-40000. other humanoids died off (neanderthals,homoerectus) humans have been around for 100000 years, killing each other, waring with rival tribes, destroying whole civilizations, then 3000 years ago go decides to step in and end the madness. That's laughable.
with proof you mean something visible i guess, can you see radiation ? but do you believe it is there ? you started believing it when sience able to detect it, but it was always there, same goes for god, about super natural powers, only prophets hqave been given supernatural powers and since mohammed was the last one and died 1500 years ago and the messiah will just return before the end of the humanity i can not say you can wittness those powers
@tecellos lol. dude, ur basically saying "No I have no proof" Im going to take someones 1500 year old word for it. Please think critically, how many religions do you see in this world? they all have messiahs, they all have prophets. Are they all wrong and yours is right? Is that what you are saying? Why is their proof not authentic as yours? Y is their beliefs wrong from yours? what makes your the true word of god? god spoke to other relgions and told them the opposite. is he fucking with you?
no i do not, i also believe in moses and jesus, adam and also more than 1000 other prophets words, the jews corrupted the tora to use it earn more profit, the church corrupted the bile to make the people the curchs slaves, our 1600 year old book is the final update for a sequal that started from the beginning of humanity and for us moses / adam / noah and 1000 more are true holy people
@tecellos or they are lying for recongnition. Humanity began between 100000-275000 years ago, your book, at most 5000, stfu and stop saying your faith is based on science and history.people do not communicate with the creator of the universe, this is funny to me that some people actually think we have... its IMPOSSBILE!
i didn't say our book is based on sience, it shows the path to be a better man and to be a better man you need to learn... and since you believe only things based on proof how come you believe humatiy started 100.000 years ago ? as far as I know the oldest human remains were found were a few thousand years old.
lol, ur right oldest remains are indeed that old, but that does still not change the fact, monotheism started with adam the first human, maybe he lived a million years ago, btw as you noticed history is not my thing, i am interested in knowledge about outerspace and physics
@tecellos you wont find it in a book that is 1600 years old. science is changing every day, what we learn changes every day. to say you get your knowledge about outerspace and physics from a book written by people who didnt know about anything, your blinding youself to the truth.. there was no adam and eve, if their were their bloodline would be so mangled that everyone would have been retarded. those are the things you should not try to learn from scripture.
@tecellos yup, if your god is all knowing, and controlling, and does everything, then yesterday, he chose to have 20000 of the babies born in africa to have AIDS. He chose to let Hitler kill 6 million jews and start a world war. he chose to have spanish flew kill more than half the worlds population. and he chose for a mass majority of the other humans on earth to worship completely different gods.. Strange fella your god is.
well he did not, 1.he said dont have sex before merriage, if we all listened there would be no such thing as aids it as it started it would not spread 2.god gave humanity free will german people chose hitler as their leader and they killed a lot of jews, but jews themselves killed also a lot of palastinians out of the same free will, the same god gave humanity the choice to believe in him so their life can go further in the afterlife, if the people dont want to see it and
if people ignore his chance to see the right path (this life) and they die by sickness or by the hand of a guy like hitler, yes they missed their chance than indeed their live ended in vain, but people who did not get the ability to choose, like childeren and mentally disabled people, they will get in heaven no matter what, but again i am telling i am not a very religous person and not been in the mosk for like 15 years and these are not questions for me
i just wanne know how something can be created out of nothing, like creating life from something lifeless, or matter from nothing, explain me this and i will lay down my believes, i seek knowledge and till now only logical conclusion for me was that nothing can create itself
you honestly believe that a great creator of the universe has had personal interactions with someone or multiple people on the earth? How come back in the times on insane superstition, god made miricle and miricle with witnesses (red sea, noah's flood, staff that turned to a snake) but wont do one in the times of modern science?? Why doesnt he give us a 2nd moon for a day with the word believe scrolled across it? why is no evidence enough for you?
@BoggsDiamond 1. did god interacted with humans ? i believe he did, becouse his masterpiece is not the for us sooo amawzing universe wich is the founa but us humans with the exeptional gift free will, this whole universe is our testing place, the eternal place is heaven and hell, u need to suffer here to earn the eternal heaven. 2 who created the creator ? from what i have read, the rules of physics that count for our universe doesnt count for him, he clearly say i am alone and creator of all
@tecellos watch this video, /user/Mrcartervonriedel#p/c/C22FDB7638CC7214/7/W0eUd2DbAb4
Nobody puts it better than Hitchens.
What the play list from this user, the "Hitchslap" if you can watch it thru without converting, I'll blow myself on youtube, Don't just listen to them, understand him, and think critically about what he says.
but again u avoid my question and answer my question with another question, how can samething create itself, within this universe and the universe itlself, let say : if it is true, the matter of the big bang, where does it come from ?
@tecellos scientists are very close to creating life in a lab by the way, but we dont know for sure. One thing that we do know for sure, was that a bellowing voice and a hand from heaven did it. Oh, and the real god in the whole world is the one you choose to worship.. This is simply put, humiliating for you, and you can't see it. Your saying, "Your science can't explain it, with its textbooks and theories, but ours can in 1 sentence.. God Did It!!" Why can't you then ask "How?"
@tecellos but the point your making, is god created it, case closed, and you claim to know all that god wanted you to do.. You havent seen any of these interactions happen, but you believe that it happened cause an old book says so.. However there are thousands of these old books all over the world claiming completely different things. What is more likely correct? all of them, none of them, or the most unlikely of all sides, the one you choose to occupy.. only 1 of them/
i understand your point, but there also remains of the wonders wich could be proofed of it real happened or not....1. for example; mohammed has split the moon in 2 and reunited again after unbelivers asked him to do it to proof his devine powers, with modern techn ology like echo we can see if th moon is ever been broken in halves....
@tecellos any it hasnt!.. is that enough to prove your god is bullshit? The moon was NEVER split in half, there would be records of it, LOTS OF THEM! there would be multiple accounts from different parts of the world. why would you bring this up, as an argument for your faith?? Do muslims really believe that the moon was split in half?
2. god say that our life, everything we do and choices we make are already written, wich mean there is a lineair timeline, this is exactly the opposite of the quantumphysics what a lot of modern physicians love to use, if they can prove the expistance of quantumphysics it means god was wrong...there also more of these kind of provable things, as you see it is not only god said so, so it must be that way, sience is everything and for me god has it on his side
@tecellos are you joking? Science is not on gods side, they are on complete opposites of the field. Everytime "god" (but obviously not god, more a man that claims he spoke to god.. possibly skitzo, or syphilitic) claims something, science refutes it. Science has proven yours and all the other gods completely non existant, U cant say god has science on his side, cause science is constantly proving god wrong, and explaining what was attributed to god at 1 point. Your making a fool of yourself.
@tecellos Im assuming you didnt watch the playlist.
disapointing, your faith blinds you to the point where you won't even listen to arguments against.You need to ask yourself,"Is there anything I can hear or witness that will make me change my beliefs"If you don't, then you will be unfortunately blind your entire life.If you were to ask me is there anything I can see or hear that would change my mind about there not being a god, the answer is yes, what it is I dont know, but it wont be a book.
on the contrary, i am saying proof the moon has never been broken, the timeline is not lineair or make timetravel possible (even for a split second) or something else that disproves the scientific things in our book and i am sold, i am not talking about impossible things like show me pictures of Jesuses waterwalking machine but things that can be proven wrong in this time with our current technology
@tecellos so what your saying, is your 2k plus year old documents are correct without proof, cause science can't systematically prove that a man didn't walk on water 2000 years ago? you believe what people 2000 years ago are saying over what science today is saying?? What you are saying is that science can't prove what a book written by unintelligent men wrote 1600 years ago isn't true? But they can and they do. Your unwilling to expand your knowledge of the world, you are missing out on so much
@tecellos those of us living in the real world don't say... Here is an improvable theory, its correct unless you can unprove itThey say,"wow, that looks stupid, impossible and down right dumb..Why do you believe that? Its called faith for a reason, if it were at all true, or at all possible, there wouldnt be THOUSANDS of different religions all claiming to know from god, there would be only 1,why cant you see this? I know you were brought up to think its right, but try thinking outside the box
for example in our book it was clearly mentioned that there was an invisble net that seperated salt and fresh water, people thought this is crazy talk, but just a few decades ago Jaques gustou proved this was exactly the case and as far as I know gustou is an unbeliever, than I ask you, how could he who has lived his life in the middle of the desert who never have seen the sea know something that sience would find out more than 1000 years later, btw he was also iliterate
@tecellos OK OK, SERIOUSLY?? are you just fucking with me now? That' complete bullshit, the reason rivers and not salty is because they run downhill into the ocean.. Streams and river are runoff from hills so their water flows from the hills down streams and river to the ocean, water does not flow uphill (gravity) so it doesnt enable the salt water from going up the rivers. Are you serious when you say these things? Sea level is a real thing.
@tecellos are you referring to pycnocline?? if you are, science will explain it much better than you book, and also disprove the claims in the Qur'an... Your not able to do research yourself? google this Fresh water Salt water doesn't mix according to Qur'an- Prof Dawkins in Real time with Bill Maher - and do some honest reading?? Your grasping at straw mate.. Hurry, it appears as though your losing.
explanation by translation is wrong, , arabic is a difficult language and 1 word can mean a lot of things, the point is, even the translation is not accurate how could an illitirate guy in the sahara knows about salt/fresh water mixture ? this is only 1 out of many, many, many things that is explained, how could he know this ? btw, i did not know we were making a match, if this is the case i will stop writing here while i am at work... for me this is just a conversation
@tecellos its called a theory,darwin had one,einstein had another.what happens with theories,they go out and try to prove them,, if they can they are considered knowledge, and we learn more and more about it.if they cant, they throw it out, consider it incorrect. translation has absolutely nothing to do with this. And is it explained? no, you say there is an invisible net around it. That's not an explaination, thats something you say to children cause you dont know the answers!god in a nutshell
@tecellos and you don't call it a debate cause if you call it anything other than a conversation of faith you can't possibly back it up.How are you not dissapointed in the response"Allah did it"how empty is that answer. Why do you close your mind to truth? How can you say gays are immoral but are made in gods image?How can you say you know what gods command is cause he supposedly said it to someone 3k years ago? don't you think that person might have had an agenda?only diff, u see em on tv now
@tecellos you havent explained anything, you have said "look this guy had a theory" didnt say about how he went about proving it... All you said was there was an invisible net that keeps cold fresh water and warmer salt water seperated (only until they reach the same temperature) but you have proved it or explained it, as u have said in a previous message, "many many many things that is explained" please elaborate, give me some valid proof of your supernatural world.
dude neither do i want to explain, i just say prove any ''fact'' from the qu'ran wrong, any thing that is provable with modern sience and i'll believe, i am just showing you in wich way, the net thing is already discussed a million times and it is there (offcourse it is not a net to fish with, but in a way to explain it to billion of muslims from the 7th century worldwide also people who never even saw the sea it is a great explanation)
@tecellos its my facts that are correct, yours that are wrong.. I'll say prove god exists, shouldnt be too hard since he talks with your leaders all the time, so just prove it. saying someone had a theory doesnt prove god exists, just give 1 piece of evidence, and dont say "he created us" cause there is thousands of gods claiming that... just prove there is an afterlife, just prove, there is an inaudiable god somewhere, just prove any thing you take a faith as true, and u will convert me.
if there was a stamp under the world ''made by god'' we wouldnt call believes faith, not everything needs visible evidence to prove that it exist, we cant see wind, but we know it is there, we know it becouse we see its results, and that something cant create itself something must have created all this and from my understanding most logical is that god created it to test us if we are waerthy for his paradise
@tecellos THAT'S INSANE LOGIC.. You don't know this paradise exists, and you can't prove it. Wind can seen quiet easily. look up at the clouds, also tornado is just an extreme amount of wind. That's crazy 1 line crap... says in 1 line in the bible that god hates gays. It's a pretty solid belief structure in most religions to hate gays.. what about your? how do you feel about homosexuals? what does the ko'ran say? doesn't it say homosexual men should be executed?
nope you cant see wind, wind itself is invisible, wind is energy, but you can see its effects like you said moving clouds, the same goes for god, you cant see him but you can see his creation. No i, neither my believe sais we should execute homosexuals, homosexuality is considered as a sickness and should be treated (mentally) it is not normal.
@tecellos On Earth Allah sat down mountains (the Arab verb is said to in reality mean “drop down” – like in dropping an anchor –(16/15 – 21/31 - 41/10). But for one thing mountains are never set – or dropped – down; they grow up. For another thing mountains do not stabilize Earth – on the contrary it is an imbalance in the crust of the Earth. For the third thing mountains do not hinder the Earth shaking – on the contrary the making of mountains is connected to earth-quakes..
yes mountains are created by moving of the plates, moving of the plates is discribed in the koran, you should read the whole text and not only 1 line, this is exactly what bin laden does also, he sais in koran sais kill all unbelievers, while if you read the whole text it sais that about the unbelievers who signed peace with the prohet and wanted to ambush him, only those unbelievers must all been killed, not an employee in a building doing his work or a guy in a train
@tecellos And everything is subject to the night and day that follow their orbit (f.ex. 36/40). But science tells that day and night are fixed and have no orbits – the reason for the changes only is that the Earth spins around in the light from the sun.
@tecellos The Earth also is filled up of plants and animals – everything created in pairs (43/12, 51/49). But there are both plants and animals that only exist in female – right up to some lizards and some fishes. And when you come to one-celled beings, few if any have 2 sexes. And one-celled “beings” by far are the most numerous both in types and in numbers. Any god had known.
@tecellos To the early Muslims, this surah gave the divine answer as to why darkness fell when the sun set in the West. They assumed that the sun, like the moon, was the size perceived by the human eye, about the size of a basketball. Darkness came when with a mighty hissing roar it went down under the dark waters of a pond. They boldly and proudly proclaimed that this marvelous answer proved that the Qur'an was indeed the Word of God.
@tecellos The reader must ask himself if he is prepared to believe and to defend the Qur'an in this passage. Either the sun sets in a pond or it doesn't. It is either one way or the other. There can be no middle ground, no compromise, no evading the issue. If you agree with us that the sun is shining on the other side of the earth and thus it does not go down into murky water, then you must also agree with us that the Qur'an contains scientific errors.
look at the world ending predictions what ive send you, it is written that before the end the sun will start coming up from the west instead of the east, wich clearly means it comes up from east till than
@tecellos This is what I dont understand about religion... why does every single religion hope and pray for the end of the world, where the goats and the sheep are seperated.. It's funny that you beleive all this based on a book of prophesy, (filled with inaccuracys.which I have demonstrated).. Its like listening to those idiots who "decode davinci" your wrong.. the world isn't going to end, and there is no afterlife.. You need proof if your going to claim this.
lol... our book doesnt fantasies about a gruseme end of the world, it is a happy ending actually, actually this life is a suffering, he book is about how a man can live a decent, usefull, knowing life... and about canada ahahhaahah, i live in the netherlands and all my friends colleages all the girlfriends i had were all unbelievers i can clearly say that everyone i have spoken longer than 5 minutes for many years were all unbelievers, ur canada theory has obviously flaws
@tecellos ours is flawed? we believe that if you cant prove that there is an supernatural, cant at all demostrate it, then its probable that it doesnt exist, and your believing in a 2000 year old fairy tail.
you should see it like this : i believe in a greater power above our knowing, we humans when we look in the skies are like ants looking up to us, as they have no way to understand our capabilities neither do our limited minds understand beyond our skies, we are just limited, there is nothing wrong with that, about the flaw i meant that you though i would change my way of thinking if i lived in a werstern country wich is already the case
@tecellos What I meant by the western world, Is I have had hundreds of these conversations, with people from all over the world, they are all convinced in their convictions, however they all hold glaringly different beliefs (all of which were told to prophets by god) All of these people made money from these "revelations" What makes you more right or more wrong than a Christian, or a Roman Catholic, or a jew? They are all equal glimpses of the untrue.
christianity is been corrupted by the church, since the text were only avaible to the church they have changed it to make people slaves of the church, same goes for judaism, things they couldnt change like the 10 commandmends ( since these are easy to remember) they kept these the same and the 10 commandmends are still valid by islam, islam is not a new religion it is the believe of adam, noah, abraham, moses, jesus, mohammed and 1000 + other prohets
@tecellos islam is a plagerisim of christianity and judiasm.Your preaching the same crap from a different toilet. If you read anything about evolution from a non-religious text then you would know what your saying is insane logic.This has to be a joke. you claim your book is based in science then toss out evolution?Come on.. are yo joking with me? EVOLUTION IS A PROVEN FACT!!!! You can sit here and say your invisible paradise is real without proof, evolution hands u buckets full of it. and no?
dude i graduaded highschool with a 9 for biology i know more than most people about evolution, i am no expert but i know alot, it is based on darwins natural selection theory, i dont understand that you believe in darwins theory wich has wholes bigger than helix nebula eye and you come with ''i need prove of everything'' crap, but if you insist on discussing the evoltion THEORY i am ready for it, as i told earlier who loses more when he is wrong about the paradise ?
@tecellos you lose more,you waste the time you have in your real life praying to nobody, and hoping you die so you can go to paradise. Did you really say there are big holes in evolution then say you know your god is the one true god. Go ahead, elaborate on your evolution holes.I hope your evolution readings werent written by Harun Yahya.If that is your evolution, come to the prosperous parts of the world,and look at what religion cant hide! You've been lied to your whole life, break the code
nope, didnt go to a mosk in like 20 years, i only say 5-20 x a day a 5 secons prayer "" allah is my god and muhammed is his prophet'' , i do this while i am driving, when i am pissed and wanne rip someones head and when i am seeing unjustice done on tv or internet to other muslims, well i may be the worst muslim ever but even the worst muslim is better than the best unbeliever if you see it from entrance to heaven perspective
@tecellos earlier we talked about the quran and how you said if i could prove 1 scientific claim that was wrong in the quoran you would be converted. since if its gods voice in the pages he couldnt possibly be wrong right? But I have you several incidents, and although you try to laugh em off or explain out of context what they are "trying" to say you really didnt convince me. What about all those mistakes in the quran? good mistakes in the qoran and see what comes up. do some non-bias reading
scientific claim ? do you mean the port to heaven under the river, wich i never heard before and cant call it in the slightest sience. the mountain thing ? none of these has something to do with sience and i hear it for the 1st time from you. Come with measurable things, like disproving liniar time line, creating life, balance of materials humans are made of, recreating a being with free will (even mechancal).. he forget that even clone a human without a soal
why i think there is only 1 god ? easy 1, first becouse he sais he is, second what would happen if there would be more than one, there would be disagreement, jelousy, fights etc etc,, the possiblity that there is no one is much more realistic than there is more than one,.... ok think about the following , god says: work hard on for your life on earth as if you would never die and work hard for afterlife if you would die tomorrow, this sentence cant be anything else than divine
@tecellos but he didnt say he was, someone else said he talked to god, and god told him this??? as I wrong? your god never spoke to anyone besides muhammad right? and a few other prohpets that you never met??? is there a chance they were lying for some notoriety? there is billions to be made thru religion.. don't you even consider the option that they were lying to profit from believers who want answers to questions that they couldn't answer back then?? isn't it possible?
prophets gave all their belongings away and they helped their people to sirvive, Noah build an arc and saved all living beings, moses saved jews from the faraoh, mohammed fought many battles against oppressing uinbelivers who had professional armies won them all and lost only 1 tooth, jesus will kill the antichrist
@tecellos see the thing is... there is absolutely no proof that jews wandered the desert for 40 years, or that noah gathers 10 million animals, put em in a boat, and sailed around the world for 40 days while no animals ate anything, this is non-sense. the fact that you believe this stuff really happened makes the educated laugh out loud. There is no evidence to support ANY of your claims!
dude i have watched the guy you mentioned, he is a half jew and full gay, not that i am against 1 of those but if i wanted his opnion I would visit one of his shows, i rather like to talk about things to to every logic thinking person personally, much rather than the mainstream guys.
@tecellos Hilarious, because someone makes a good point its discredited because hes in the mainstream media. You ignore logic and disregard reason.Its people like you who contribute to the murder of millions, and the burden of religion evident. You sit here and argue that evolution isn't true because we cant find a link between the 25th and 27th different hominids in sequential order. You want fossil evidence we give it.. we want any physical evidence. What do you give us? an old stupid book
@tecellos I don't have to prove it didn't, it's an illogical miracle.. If you claim the absurd is true, you need to provide the proof... Its not proof that Jesus rose from the dead because they have an empty tomb. Thats proof of an empty tomb.. Do you understand?
i can understand you do not believe in god, but trying to convince me of the evolution bullshit is an insult on my intelligence, i know my english is bad and (it is my 3rd language) it is difficult for me to explain what i think but evolution is really bullshit
@tecellos in response to the private message (pls stop inboxing me) I think you are foolish to believe that jesus and the antichrist have super powers, and will be coming in the next 60 years. . Its a shame that there is no after life, because you won't be able to understand how wrong you are. Why do you need someone to tell you how to live your life?Why would god tell you to hack off the end of your penis, or cut off the clitoris of women?What moral god would want that?
circumsizing man is a hygiene thing, but cutting clitoris is forbidden by our religion , dude i sent you pm becouse of the shitty max letter cap here, to be honost i started talking to you becouse i thought maybe there is something interesting about the way your thinking but there is not, i wouldnt mind we stop this no where going discussion, i respect your opinion but there is nothing there i didnt hear before
@tecellos circumcision is not a hygiene thing, it is to decrease sensitivity, and to repress basic insticts, at least in the religious way. your way.. if you hear this all the time how can u still believe? the thing is, your taking the side of an argument that you have claimed has a basis in science, however, all science EVER has said that your beliefs are in things that cannot exist. cannot even be domonstrated.. It frustrates me that you can believe so blindly with such damning evidence b4 u.
circumsizing is a hygene thing, have you never heard that there are people who get infected by bad hygene and their extra skin gets removed surgically ?, couldnt this been avoided by regular good cleaning, yes in most cases offcourse, but our religion is for everyone in the world and some people do not have water resources like you and i do or they dont have the money (homeless etc), by sircumsizing you avoid this medical problem
well... that is a good question, if i am wrong i will loose nothing, i already did everything in my life till now what i also would do if i was an unbeliever, but if you are wrong you will loose eternal entrance to paradise, after all i have seen and heared i doubt i will ever change my believes, i will stop believing if there is prove there is no god, for example if a human can create a being with own will, or prove chaos theory etc etc
@tecellos you need to read some stuff about evolution. About how we got to where we are. Do you understand how humans evolved from humanoid creatures? or do you beleive evolution is real except when it comes to humans? Do you understand the amount of time we are talking about, from single celled organisms. Im curious why you believe stories handed down centuries by the most illiterate, superstitious people in the uncivilized world?
i have read too much about evolution and i can clearly say it is just crap, i will give a few examples why i come to that conclusion 1. if evolution was true every being would want to perfect itselff and maximise its survivelabity, if this was true why would a being evolve in a rabbit ? or another herbivore ? 2. why didnt we evolve eyes that can see the whole light spectrum ? we cant see shit in dark, our hearing is is very limited etc etc, i have a lot others aswell
about your single cell theory, dude tell me, is in biology possible to create life from a NEVER lived tissue ? or in physics or mathmetics change the number 0 into a positive number even in the theoraticly bases ? i can tell you the answer is no, you cant make the number 0 whatever you do into a positive number, this is not possible, not in a million years neither 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999 years
@tecellos y are you talking about numbers? lets talk about science? what physical proof do you have that evolution is wrong? what physical proof do you have the your god exists? (dont say your writings, if god is everywhere doing everything why can't he pop by ANYWHERE to say hi? and that he exists? your just supposed to believe based on no proof? you ask these questions, but why is saying "god did it" enough for you? do you know the term "explaining the rainbow"
if evolution was right everything would be based on luck, survival of the fittest (natural selection), tell me why any creature bother to be a herbiphore, instead of being a helpless rabbit why didnt there genes evolved in real protection like fangs, is offence not best defence ? why are we humans the only creatures who can think instead of automised reactions (instict), a fish grow legs and lungs and than gets sane ? does this sounds logical ?
dude ok, time does not make impossible things possible. As an example, a computer was programmed in an attempt to arrive at the simple 26-letter alphabet. After 35,000,000,000,000 (35 trillion) attempts it has only arrived at 14 letters correctly. What are the odds that a simple single cell organism could evolve given the complexity of more than 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations all in the correct places? tell me ?
@tecellos There are billions upon billions upon trillions of stars!
It would be improbable to have only 1 planet, there has to be life on other planets. HAS TO BE.. You know what, if there is intelligent life, I bet they have gods too.. You believe in 1 of thousands of gods. Every person on this planet who worships believes theirs is the 1 true god. You want to talk numbers, what are the chances that you are right? Then figure the chances that any are right.. Your on the side on non-reason. GL
about sience, i am a very strong believer in order instead of chaos theory (incuding evolution), everything is made with a purpose, bugs are machines to sustain macro biology, animals to provide food (herbiphores) - carnivores to keep the stock healthy, plants to sustain us air, etc etc. everything on earth has the sole purpose to serve humantiy, even the angles
@tecellos right at the top of that your trying to say that the quote was not wrong.. (the 2 by 2) but its blatently wrong.as for the rest of that, its completely stupid. all of those things are either happening/have happened/ or happened with more frequency many many many years ago... Who do you want the end of the world.... just answer this.. what if your wrong? what if what you think happens after you die is wrong?? if we were having this discussion in canada, you would be telling me of christ
@tecellos Quran 31: 29 Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.
Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course.
Quran 47: 4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….
Quran 2: 191 And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
Quran 8: 65 O Apostle ! rouse the believers to the fight of….unbelievers.
this is exactly what i mean, if you read the whole paragraph it is obvious that this is about the unbelievers who broke the treaty with the prophet and tried to ambush him, only those who were on their way to kill the muslims must be killed... think for yourself if we kill all unbelievers now, we take away their possiblity to convert later and the quaran clearly sais that every unbeliever has the right to turn to the right path just before his / her last breath
@tecellos well Im a non-believer... I think your religion is garbage, the same as all the others... Does your book say Im fine? or that you should kill all non-believers?
@tecellos Quran 9: 29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith(Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.
Quran 9: 5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….
@BoggsDiamond what i ask you is actually the same thing god asks us, learn sience and challenge his facts, ''say to me there and there in quaran it is said .... and i can prove you it is this...'' and what i am saying you is that from what i have seen it is a very logical explanation to many questions what cant be answered with modern technoly and i find it very likely to be true.... prove me it is not...
@tecellos and the argument Im making is that god didnt say that to you, Im saying you have taken philosophy and turned it into religion. Im saying god hasnt talked to people, and told them what to think, Im saying millions have followed other relgiions preached by "god" that say completely contraditorial things, Just prove beyond a reasonable doubt god exists, you cant, that's the point. u say god says all this and that, but you cant even prove there is a god, thats 1 big damn hole in your story
@tecellos Your not even arguing your points,your throwing out strawmans,then retreating from them. show some conviction in your preachings. argue for your beliefs, dont just say they are mine cause I believe in em, back that shit up. Dont say its right cause god said so, cause you can't possibly prove god spoke to man, you cant possibly prove god exists,you cant possibly prove he intervened.You believe in 1 out of 2000 gods, what makes your correct and all the others wrong? have some conviction!
@tecellos that is faith wrapped up in a bow you retard! You don't know it for sure, because you can't prove it! Your taking someones word for it... faith!
@randomguyalwayshere I'll tell u I know a ton more than you do about religion, and magnitudes more about why its all bullshit. Im not sure which religion you are a member of, but I can assure you you are wrong. the world is 6 billion years old, but god stepped in to guide us at most 3000 years ago?? come man man, how gullible can you possibly be??
@randomguyalwayshere I think Islam,(like all religions)is philosophy gone bad.I think the religion is a form of hate, and I think it its just a plagiarism of Judaism. I believe that martyrs do not go to paradise and are greeted by virgins, I believe that their remains fester in piles where ever they land, and what effect their blowing themselves up has is only helping to bring negative feels towards the people who peacefully worship. But since they r all the same.its wrong and a waste of time
@randomguyalwayshere so for me to see and learn reality, I need to believe in a non real world???? hmmm, sounds like conflicting statements. Your the wrong one friend. If you genuinely believe that the creator of the entire universe (remember the closest star is 4.3 light years away) has interacted with humans you are a gullible twit. think about that statement.. then think that he aparently has done it thousands of times all over the world, as recently as 1822 in upstate new york. its hokum
I've read the Byble...there's nothing there tha mentions any religion...
12ze34 2 months ago
Well buddy, I aint Christian. If you look into the Qur'an it has religious AND scientific facts aswell. It has more information than the Bible and Torah and is IMPOSSIBLE to be written by MEN, I have proof supporting this sentence. I like science myself, but to deny god because of science is plain idiotness. ''Because God said so'' is also a sentence I myself dont like. We are given minds and free will to understand the Universe, but to judge a Creator, we have no such power. I see more than you
ArselAcar 8 months ago
@ArselAcar Do yourself and your religion the honor of calling it faith, don't say its based in science, you wont get away with it. Its faith friend, just like all the other religions out there.. oh no wait, of the thousands of religions that exist, yours is the only true one right? Give your head a shake, think critically, not just about what you have been brainwashed into believing. If god exists, why not give us some clear evidence...
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@ArselAcar there is as much science in your religion as their is in saying the grand canyon was carved with noah's flood. don't sit here and try to pull that shit, you sound like a dumbass calling faith science.. Thats like calling the bible historically fact. there is NO evidence that moses wandered the desert for 40 years, there is NO evidence that jews were slaves in eqypt. You believe this stuff cause u were told since childhood its true. Your parents did u a great dis-service.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
BTW There are better videos that show the name of Allah on the world map, this one its hard to really see. Oh and those here that support Richard Dawkins, research Evolution better, it does not exist. Mutations are %99 harmful and %1 uneffective, but lets say evolution did exist, are you saying we Humans are a deformation of primates? Hm, funny, I dont see monkeys ruling the world. And if you're an Atheist, answer me this, why ONLY US? Out of billions of creatures, why us? Coincidence? :)
ArselAcar 8 months ago
@ArselAcar opposable thumbs, an enlarged frontal lobe, the discovery that trees started to grow where the old shit hole was!evolution is proven so many ways, in every aspect of life.(not just human) Religion says creation is true because a book written by people 2000 years ago who knew nothing of microbiology says it was. when they find a hole in something, they study to find it, religion just says "god does it" how unsatisfactory is that answer.. the truth is so beautiful, but you cant see it.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?
[Qur'an, Surat Fussilat, 53. Ayet]
ArselAcar 8 months ago
wait wait wait... are u saying god or allah is responsible for the continental shifts? are u saying "god" wrote a message to people via the continents? I hate ignorant gullible people, don't be stupid.
Elvis never did no drugs.
damien28173 10 months ago 4
Get this shit off the internet ffs.
MrJondread 11 months ago
@MrJondread truth disturbs, doesn't it?
mstounsi 11 months ago
dude, the little lines you drew look nothing like those aramiac letters/words/whatever
also, aramaic isnt the oldest language so how the fuck can it be gods language?
ANSWER it cant dumbass.
hebrew is hundreds of years older.
shoshanish 1 year ago
@shoshanish hebrew and arabic are sister languages, dear "cousin"
mstounsi 11 months ago
@mstounsi yeah, but hebrew is still older.
and there a thousands more that are older then hebrew, like the odlest ext known to earth, Sumerian texts.
shoshanish 11 months ago
@shoshanish
The last revelation was in Arabic.
The Almighty is Alive, Doesn't He dear cousin?
mstounsi 11 months ago
@mstounsi the last revelation was a bunch of bull, jesus isnt coming back, he only got to perform miracles because he carved gods name in his hand, and he never did on the cross, his dear freidns snuck him some food.
anyways, your missing my poiint, ARAMAIC IS NEW COMPARED TO OTHERS.
hebrew was an example, but if you want to go older then hebrew, summarian text bitch, it dates back to 14,000 years ago.of course its not that old, god made it look that old, like he gave the universe history.
shoshanish 11 months ago
@shoshanish
Who is the Messiah from prophet David's offspring prophetised in the old testament according to you?
mstounsi 11 months ago
@mstounsi he hasnt come yet.
simple as that, every generation has its possible messiah, according to the jews.
but my point is still there, aramaic isnt the oldest language.
shoshanish 11 months ago
@shoshanish
-Some say the state of Israel is the messiah.. lots of Jews don't believe in it, i do neither.. war never stopped since this state was established, ... yeah there were wars before
-If something is written on the globe by the will of God, wouldn't be more logical that it's in the language of people who can understand it? the language of a reveation? why should it be in the oldest language? i mean i understand your point, but i'm looking for its sense..
mstounsi 11 months ago
@mstounsi i just niticed something, i said araMaic, and you said araBic.
they are different.
but anyways, we have both made our points, and i say we just end this convosation, its boring and right now i dont care anymore.
shoshanish 11 months ago
@shoshanish No worry, i noticed it since the start, but thought you did.. Aramaic was the language of Jesus, yet he's from prophet David's bloodline.. almost nobody speaks this language anymore... just some few in syria apparently..
sorry if i got you bored, but it was nice exchanging with you.
mstounsi 11 months ago
@mstounsi there is no sense in this, don't be stupid.
1. God doesn't exist.
2. If there were a god (which there isn't) it wouldn't communicate with humans.
3. There is no god!
4. Come on guys, there are thousands of religions in the world, what makes all of them wrong and your right?
5. This asshole just took paint program and drew lines on the globe, I could do that too but my lines would look like a big pair of titties and me suckin em.
damien28173 10 months ago
@damien28173
ok you don't believe in god that is your choice, but do you believe in mathmetics ? explain to me how is it possible all matter in the universe started, in mathmetics you cant say it just appeared or it was always there, everything must come from somewhere, in numbers what can you do to make the number 0 (nothing) to something, you cant, only other solution is, it is created... there is no other solution, same goes with life, life can never start and evolve from somthing lifeless
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos so a jewish carpenter did it?
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@tecellos It is estimated (by people much smarter than you) that there are a billion billion planets in the universe. estimated that the chance of a planet being in what is referred to as the goldilocks zone in which water is liquid, and the sun isn't too hot ect is 1 in a billion. you wanna talk math? what are the chances that we are the only group?? what are the chances that "the creator" has made contact with humans. what are the chances that a jewish minx couldn't tell a lie??your gullible
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
first of all 1 out of a billion realtively habitable planets is bulls..., it could just be 1000x times more or less, the technology to indicate this is very poor. The god of the jews is the same as the moslims. I just say nothing happens out of itself, nothing can create itself and that is the proof there is a being much bigger than ourselfs and if you want to call him hela, god or allah it doesnt matter, but he is there
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos Well that number came from Richard Dawkins, a much much smarter person than you or I. So do you pray to your creator?? Has he walked on earth too?? Do you really think there is an all knowing presence in the universe? Son, you need a good hitchslapping!
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
how do you kow that he is smarter than me ? do you know me ? your so adored Richard made his calculation on the info at hand a.t.m. and what i am saying you that info is by far too summier to make a decent calculation you know why ? becouse we eartlings have just took a few groundsamples of the easiest planet avaible to us. The only place expet earth we
sat foot on our own moon (wich is also discutable by many), so how can this richard make that calculation and say it is accurat
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos I think it safe to assume that Richard Dawkins, an evolutionary professor at Oxford is smarter then someone arguing on youtube. Thats just an overview argument. Now because he is an educator at the most highly regarded schools in Europe, I think it safe to assume he has access to knowledge and resources that you could not possibly speculate. You know those early samples of the first humanoids, They would let him take them home for the weekend.Comparing yourself to Richard Dawkins.LOL
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
that he gives leassons in Oxford doesnt change the fact that his assumptions are based on very thin materials, on top of that 500 years ago the best schools on world teached that earth was flat becouse also for the reason that they had not the capability to see what was really the case, this guys theory is just assumption on materials he got and what he got is almost nothing, just some halfass pictures, my source is on the otherhand is from an allknowing omnipotent being
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos So he has evidence, and urs is made up?? HAHAHAHA!!! So he shows you physical evidence for things, and you say its 3000 years old, we dont need study, we know it all. You sound like a puttz, but thanks for trying, you make me feel much smarter when you say stuff like that.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
btw, did you knew that we on earth with al the knowledge and technology we have at the moment don't know the exact combination of metal mictures in earths core, we even don't know for sure it is fluid metal that is rotating, we just presume it becouse rotating metal creates magnetic fields like earth has, but on the other hand we believers know for sure that this is the case becouse it is written in detail in our holy book already for 1500 years
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos and how did they know what's in the middle of the earth??? Oh..... God told them.. thats evidence enough for me. LOL I hope you see the truth someday and stop waisting your life praying to the invisible man in the sky.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
what i actually find interesting is, that god says in the holy book '' I have build the skies in 7 layers'', if we count our atmosfhere as 1, our solar system as 2, the milkyway galaxy as 3, universum where the milkyway galaxy is in as 4, must mean there are also 3 other layers, why i am saying this is modern technoly thinks that our universum is the end, there is nothing beyond
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos so u say there is 7 layers and identify 4?? great argument! and its science that Identified those "layers" not ur fucking book. stop trying to read something into nothing.. thats why davinci's "codes" are always wrong. dude, you cant mix religion with science, it doesnt meld. 1 is based on provable theories, the other is total fucking bullshit. Call it faith, keep prayin to nobody, and stay the fuck out of my science room!
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
the faith u describe is blind faith like christianities dark ages, ours on the other hand encourages sience and I looooove sience, want to hear every theory and all kind of varieties, but it is true that most scientific discoveries are made by non believers, but this still doesn't mean that our religion wants to keep its folowers stupid, if that was the case i never would support it
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos your faith encourages martyrs to kill themselves in the name of god. Why would a god, a great creator of everything on earth, want 1 of his creatures to destroy the other?? In the end there will be a rapture and global destruction anyway right? So why does god (having just created them) want another species he created to destroy them?? All faiths say they have science on their side, but science says there is NO SUPERNATURAL!! NONE!!! you say "There is.. Want proof?? Read OUR bible."
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago 2
@BoggsDiamond
no absolutely not, the only reason we are allowed to kill a human being is when there is no other way to protect your own life, your families life, your country and your property, killing is 1 of the biggest sins. This goes so far that it is even better that if a thief enters your house and there is no choice 1 of you has to die, it is better to die yourself to give the sinner the chance to find the right path. god created mankind to test them.
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos so democracy fails, get in the planes? come on, how can u honestly say that??? the guys in the plane?? were they islamic??
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond ok tell me, if i blow up a japanese building and say i did for the blue whales, does this make me a animal lover ? same goes for terrorist, it is not important what you say but what you do, our believe sais do not harm anything alive, this goes for nature, animals and espescially for humans, if it really said kill any unbeliever and you will go to heaven, why would 1,5 billion muslims suffer awhole life instead of just kill any unbeliever u see ? i see thousands every day...
tecellos 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
no muslim support terrorsit attacks neither does it help us a bit, what good did blowing up the twin towers did good to real muslims worldwide tell me just 1.. you cant, USA invaded almost half muslim reagons, killed millions of our brothers.... we dont support terrorist and we never will
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos however, the terrorists were "muslim extremists" were they not?? Were they not following orders in the koran to be martyrs and they will live forever in paradise with the prophets?? Tell me that's not what the Koran was telling these guys? Just cause you don't act on your beliefs doesn't make it a better person, it makes you a non-believer, I applaud them for having the faith that they do, I just wish they could see thru the bullshit and see that all religions(2k+) are probably wrong.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
how do you come to the conclusion that sience sais there is no supernatural power ? if you believe in the chaos theory than you i understand your opinion but it is just a theory it is not proven. n
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos because people have been trying to prove it for years, and no such luck. There is a labratory somewhere in the states that offers 1 million dollars to anyone who can reproduce anything supernatural what so ever. send one of ur faith healers over the bud! 1 little modicom of proof, give me 1 example to prove god exists, and is the god you worship.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond The world is 5.8billion years old,over 5 million species,that 5 million is 1% of all species to ever exist.50000 years ago was a global warming distaster bringing the number of homosapians in africa down to between 30000-40000. other humanoids died off (neanderthals,homoerectus) humans have been around for 100000 years, killing each other, waring with rival tribes, destroying whole civilizations, then 3000 years ago go decides to step in and end the madness. That's laughable.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond this number is 180000 years ago for disaster, sry
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
with proof you mean something visible i guess, can you see radiation ? but do you believe it is there ? you started believing it when sience able to detect it, but it was always there, same goes for god, about super natural powers, only prophets hqave been given supernatural powers and since mohammed was the last one and died 1500 years ago and the messiah will just return before the end of the humanity i can not say you can wittness those powers
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos lol. dude, ur basically saying "No I have no proof" Im going to take someones 1500 year old word for it. Please think critically, how many religions do you see in this world? they all have messiahs, they all have prophets. Are they all wrong and yours is right? Is that what you are saying? Why is their proof not authentic as yours? Y is their beliefs wrong from yours? what makes your the true word of god? god spoke to other relgions and told them the opposite. is he fucking with you?
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
no i do not, i also believe in moses and jesus, adam and also more than 1000 other prophets words, the jews corrupted the tora to use it earn more profit, the church corrupted the bile to make the people the curchs slaves, our 1600 year old book is the final update for a sequal that started from the beginning of humanity and for us moses / adam / noah and 1000 more are true holy people
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos or they are lying for recongnition. Humanity began between 100000-275000 years ago, your book, at most 5000, stfu and stop saying your faith is based on science and history.people do not communicate with the creator of the universe, this is funny to me that some people actually think we have... its IMPOSSBILE!
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
i didn't say our book is based on sience, it shows the path to be a better man and to be a better man you need to learn... and since you believe only things based on proof how come you believe humatiy started 100.000 years ago ? as far as I know the oldest human remains were found were a few thousand years old.
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos this is a joke right?
case in point! thanks for playing.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
lol, ur right oldest remains are indeed that old, but that does still not change the fact, monotheism started with adam the first human, maybe he lived a million years ago, btw as you noticed history is not my thing, i am interested in knowledge about outerspace and physics
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos you wont find it in a book that is 1600 years old. science is changing every day, what we learn changes every day. to say you get your knowledge about outerspace and physics from a book written by people who didnt know about anything, your blinding youself to the truth.. there was no adam and eve, if their were their bloodline would be so mangled that everyone would have been retarded. those are the things you should not try to learn from scripture.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@tecellos if monotheism exists, then yesterday your god took some time out of his day to go to africa, and give aids to 20 000 babies.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
dude, you have some kinky badass fantasies
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos yup, if your god is all knowing, and controlling, and does everything, then yesterday, he chose to have 20000 of the babies born in africa to have AIDS. He chose to let Hitler kill 6 million jews and start a world war. he chose to have spanish flew kill more than half the worlds population. and he chose for a mass majority of the other humans on earth to worship completely different gods.. Strange fella your god is.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
well he did not, 1.he said dont have sex before merriage, if we all listened there would be no such thing as aids it as it started it would not spread 2.god gave humanity free will german people chose hitler as their leader and they killed a lot of jews, but jews themselves killed also a lot of palastinians out of the same free will, the same god gave humanity the choice to believe in him so their life can go further in the afterlife, if the people dont want to see it and
tecellos 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
if people ignore his chance to see the right path (this life) and they die by sickness or by the hand of a guy like hitler, yes they missed their chance than indeed their live ended in vain, but people who did not get the ability to choose, like childeren and mentally disabled people, they will get in heaven no matter what, but again i am telling i am not a very religous person and not been in the mosk for like 15 years and these are not questions for me
tecellos 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
i just wanne know how something can be created out of nothing, like creating life from something lifeless, or matter from nothing, explain me this and i will lay down my believes, i seek knowledge and till now only logical conclusion for me was that nothing can create itself
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos so what created your creator?
you honestly believe that a great creator of the universe has had personal interactions with someone or multiple people on the earth? How come back in the times on insane superstition, god made miricle and miricle with witnesses (red sea, noah's flood, staff that turned to a snake) but wont do one in the times of modern science?? Why doesnt he give us a 2nd moon for a day with the word believe scrolled across it? why is no evidence enough for you?
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond 1. did god interacted with humans ? i believe he did, becouse his masterpiece is not the for us sooo amawzing universe wich is the founa but us humans with the exeptional gift free will, this whole universe is our testing place, the eternal place is heaven and hell, u need to suffer here to earn the eternal heaven. 2 who created the creator ? from what i have read, the rules of physics that count for our universe doesnt count for him, he clearly say i am alone and creator of all
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos watch this video, /user/Mrcartervonriedel#p/c/C22FDB7638CC7214/7/W0eUd2DbAb4
Nobody puts it better than Hitchens.
What the play list from this user, the "Hitchslap" if you can watch it thru without converting, I'll blow myself on youtube, Don't just listen to them, understand him, and think critically about what he says.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
but again u avoid my question and answer my question with another question, how can samething create itself, within this universe and the universe itlself, let say : if it is true, the matter of the big bang, where does it come from ?
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos scientists are very close to creating life in a lab by the way, but we dont know for sure. One thing that we do know for sure, was that a bellowing voice and a hand from heaven did it. Oh, and the real god in the whole world is the one you choose to worship.. This is simply put, humiliating for you, and you can't see it. Your saying, "Your science can't explain it, with its textbooks and theories, but ours can in 1 sentence.. God Did It!!" Why can't you then ask "How?"
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
dude, the point was, at least where we started, can something create itself, forget the who found or when he found the oldest humanoind dig
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos but the point your making, is god created it, case closed, and you claim to know all that god wanted you to do.. You havent seen any of these interactions happen, but you believe that it happened cause an old book says so.. However there are thousands of these old books all over the world claiming completely different things. What is more likely correct? all of them, none of them, or the most unlikely of all sides, the one you choose to occupy.. only 1 of them/
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
i understand your point, but there also remains of the wonders wich could be proofed of it real happened or not....1. for example; mohammed has split the moon in 2 and reunited again after unbelivers asked him to do it to proof his devine powers, with modern techn ology like echo we can see if th moon is ever been broken in halves....
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos any it hasnt!.. is that enough to prove your god is bullshit? The moon was NEVER split in half, there would be records of it, LOTS OF THEM! there would be multiple accounts from different parts of the world. why would you bring this up, as an argument for your faith?? Do muslims really believe that the moon was split in half?
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
2. god say that our life, everything we do and choices we make are already written, wich mean there is a lineair timeline, this is exactly the opposite of the quantumphysics what a lot of modern physicians love to use, if they can prove the expistance of quantumphysics it means god was wrong...there also more of these kind of provable things, as you see it is not only god said so, so it must be that way, sience is everything and for me god has it on his side
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos are you joking? Science is not on gods side, they are on complete opposites of the field. Everytime "god" (but obviously not god, more a man that claims he spoke to god.. possibly skitzo, or syphilitic) claims something, science refutes it. Science has proven yours and all the other gods completely non existant, U cant say god has science on his side, cause science is constantly proving god wrong, and explaining what was attributed to god at 1 point. Your making a fool of yourself.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@tecellos Im assuming you didnt watch the playlist.
disapointing, your faith blinds you to the point where you won't even listen to arguments against.You need to ask yourself,"Is there anything I can hear or witness that will make me change my beliefs"If you don't, then you will be unfortunately blind your entire life.If you were to ask me is there anything I can see or hear that would change my mind about there not being a god, the answer is yes, what it is I dont know, but it wont be a book.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
on the contrary, i am saying proof the moon has never been broken, the timeline is not lineair or make timetravel possible (even for a split second) or something else that disproves the scientific things in our book and i am sold, i am not talking about impossible things like show me pictures of Jesuses waterwalking machine but things that can be proven wrong in this time with our current technology
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos so what your saying, is your 2k plus year old documents are correct without proof, cause science can't systematically prove that a man didn't walk on water 2000 years ago? you believe what people 2000 years ago are saying over what science today is saying?? What you are saying is that science can't prove what a book written by unintelligent men wrote 1600 years ago isn't true? But they can and they do. Your unwilling to expand your knowledge of the world, you are missing out on so much
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@tecellos those of us living in the real world don't say... Here is an improvable theory, its correct unless you can unprove itThey say,"wow, that looks stupid, impossible and down right dumb..Why do you believe that? Its called faith for a reason, if it were at all true, or at all possible, there wouldnt be THOUSANDS of different religions all claiming to know from god, there would be only 1,why cant you see this? I know you were brought up to think its right, but try thinking outside the box
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
for example in our book it was clearly mentioned that there was an invisble net that seperated salt and fresh water, people thought this is crazy talk, but just a few decades ago Jaques gustou proved this was exactly the case and as far as I know gustou is an unbeliever, than I ask you, how could he who has lived his life in the middle of the desert who never have seen the sea know something that sience would find out more than 1000 years later, btw he was also iliterate
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos OK OK, SERIOUSLY?? are you just fucking with me now? That' complete bullshit, the reason rivers and not salty is because they run downhill into the ocean.. Streams and river are runoff from hills so their water flows from the hills down streams and river to the ocean, water does not flow uphill (gravity) so it doesnt enable the salt water from going up the rivers. Are you serious when you say these things? Sea level is a real thing.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@tecellos are you referring to pycnocline?? if you are, science will explain it much better than you book, and also disprove the claims in the Qur'an... Your not able to do research yourself? google this Fresh water Salt water doesn't mix according to Qur'an- Prof Dawkins in Real time with Bill Maher - and do some honest reading?? Your grasping at straw mate.. Hurry, it appears as though your losing.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
explanation by translation is wrong, , arabic is a difficult language and 1 word can mean a lot of things, the point is, even the translation is not accurate how could an illitirate guy in the sahara knows about salt/fresh water mixture ? this is only 1 out of many, many, many things that is explained, how could he know this ? btw, i did not know we were making a match, if this is the case i will stop writing here while i am at work... for me this is just a conversation
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos its called a theory,darwin had one,einstein had another.what happens with theories,they go out and try to prove them,, if they can they are considered knowledge, and we learn more and more about it.if they cant, they throw it out, consider it incorrect. translation has absolutely nothing to do with this. And is it explained? no, you say there is an invisible net around it. That's not an explaination, thats something you say to children cause you dont know the answers!god in a nutshell
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@tecellos and you don't call it a debate cause if you call it anything other than a conversation of faith you can't possibly back it up.How are you not dissapointed in the response"Allah did it"how empty is that answer. Why do you close your mind to truth? How can you say gays are immoral but are made in gods image?How can you say you know what gods command is cause he supposedly said it to someone 3k years ago? don't you think that person might have had an agenda?only diff, u see em on tv now
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@tecellos you havent explained anything, you have said "look this guy had a theory" didnt say about how he went about proving it... All you said was there was an invisible net that keeps cold fresh water and warmer salt water seperated (only until they reach the same temperature) but you have proved it or explained it, as u have said in a previous message, "many many many things that is explained" please elaborate, give me some valid proof of your supernatural world.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
dude neither do i want to explain, i just say prove any ''fact'' from the qu'ran wrong, any thing that is provable with modern sience and i'll believe, i am just showing you in wich way, the net thing is already discussed a million times and it is there (offcourse it is not a net to fish with, but in a way to explain it to billion of muslims from the 7th century worldwide also people who never even saw the sea it is a great explanation)
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos its my facts that are correct, yours that are wrong.. I'll say prove god exists, shouldnt be too hard since he talks with your leaders all the time, so just prove it. saying someone had a theory doesnt prove god exists, just give 1 piece of evidence, and dont say "he created us" cause there is thousands of gods claiming that... just prove there is an afterlife, just prove, there is an inaudiable god somewhere, just prove any thing you take a faith as true, and u will convert me.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
if there was a stamp under the world ''made by god'' we wouldnt call believes faith, not everything needs visible evidence to prove that it exist, we cant see wind, but we know it is there, we know it becouse we see its results, and that something cant create itself something must have created all this and from my understanding most logical is that god created it to test us if we are waerthy for his paradise
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos THAT'S INSANE LOGIC.. You don't know this paradise exists, and you can't prove it. Wind can seen quiet easily. look up at the clouds, also tornado is just an extreme amount of wind. That's crazy 1 line crap... says in 1 line in the bible that god hates gays. It's a pretty solid belief structure in most religions to hate gays.. what about your? how do you feel about homosexuals? what does the ko'ran say? doesn't it say homosexual men should be executed?
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
nope you cant see wind, wind itself is invisible, wind is energy, but you can see its effects like you said moving clouds, the same goes for god, you cant see him but you can see his creation. No i, neither my believe sais we should execute homosexuals, homosexuality is considered as a sickness and should be treated (mentally) it is not normal.
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos On Earth Allah sat down mountains (the Arab verb is said to in reality mean “drop down” – like in dropping an anchor –(16/15 – 21/31 - 41/10). But for one thing mountains are never set – or dropped – down; they grow up. For another thing mountains do not stabilize Earth – on the contrary it is an imbalance in the crust of the Earth. For the third thing mountains do not hinder the Earth shaking – on the contrary the making of mountains is connected to earth-quakes..
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
yes mountains are created by moving of the plates, moving of the plates is discribed in the koran, you should read the whole text and not only 1 line, this is exactly what bin laden does also, he sais in koran sais kill all unbelievers, while if you read the whole text it sais that about the unbelievers who signed peace with the prohet and wanted to ambush him, only those unbelievers must all been killed, not an employee in a building doing his work or a guy in a train
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos And everything is subject to the night and day that follow their orbit (f.ex. 36/40). But science tells that day and night are fixed and have no orbits – the reason for the changes only is that the Earth spins around in the light from the sun.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
i dont understand this, my english not good enough, dont understand orbit of day or night
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos The Earth also is filled up of plants and animals – everything created in pairs (43/12, 51/49). But there are both plants and animals that only exist in female – right up to some lizards and some fishes. And when you come to one-celled beings, few if any have 2 sexes. And one-celled “beings” by far are the most numerous both in types and in numbers. Any god had known.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
everything is a big word, are you sure it sais exactly that ? does it mean every living thing, every mammel, every human ?
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos im quoting from a reputable source.
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@tecellos To the early Muslims, this surah gave the divine answer as to why darkness fell when the sun set in the West. They assumed that the sun, like the moon, was the size perceived by the human eye, about the size of a basketball. Darkness came when with a mighty hissing roar it went down under the dark waters of a pond. They boldly and proudly proclaimed that this marvelous answer proved that the Qur'an was indeed the Word of God.
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
this is not based on anything, neither it is written in the quaran, if you refer to a surah write the whole paragraph
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos The reader must ask himself if he is prepared to believe and to defend the Qur'an in this passage. Either the sun sets in a pond or it doesn't. It is either one way or the other. There can be no middle ground, no compromise, no evading the issue. If you agree with us that the sun is shining on the other side of the earth and thus it does not go down into murky water, then you must also agree with us that the Qur'an contains scientific errors.
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
look at the world ending predictions what ive send you, it is written that before the end the sun will start coming up from the west instead of the east, wich clearly means it comes up from east till than
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos This is what I dont understand about religion... why does every single religion hope and pray for the end of the world, where the goats and the sheep are seperated.. It's funny that you beleive all this based on a book of prophesy, (filled with inaccuracys.which I have demonstrated).. Its like listening to those idiots who "decode davinci" your wrong.. the world isn't going to end, and there is no afterlife.. You need proof if your going to claim this.
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
lol... our book doesnt fantasies about a gruseme end of the world, it is a happy ending actually, actually this life is a suffering, he book is about how a man can live a decent, usefull, knowing life... and about canada ahahhaahah, i live in the netherlands and all my friends colleages all the girlfriends i had were all unbelievers i can clearly say that everyone i have spoken longer than 5 minutes for many years were all unbelievers, ur canada theory has obviously flaws
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos ours is flawed? we believe that if you cant prove that there is an supernatural, cant at all demostrate it, then its probable that it doesnt exist, and your believing in a 2000 year old fairy tail.
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
you should see it like this : i believe in a greater power above our knowing, we humans when we look in the skies are like ants looking up to us, as they have no way to understand our capabilities neither do our limited minds understand beyond our skies, we are just limited, there is nothing wrong with that, about the flaw i meant that you though i would change my way of thinking if i lived in a werstern country wich is already the case
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos What I meant by the western world, Is I have had hundreds of these conversations, with people from all over the world, they are all convinced in their convictions, however they all hold glaringly different beliefs (all of which were told to prophets by god) All of these people made money from these "revelations" What makes you more right or more wrong than a Christian, or a Roman Catholic, or a jew? They are all equal glimpses of the untrue.
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
christianity is been corrupted by the church, since the text were only avaible to the church they have changed it to make people slaves of the church, same goes for judaism, things they couldnt change like the 10 commandmends ( since these are easy to remember) they kept these the same and the 10 commandmends are still valid by islam, islam is not a new religion it is the believe of adam, noah, abraham, moses, jesus, mohammed and 1000 + other prohets
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos islam is a plagerisim of christianity and judiasm.Your preaching the same crap from a different toilet. If you read anything about evolution from a non-religious text then you would know what your saying is insane logic.This has to be a joke. you claim your book is based in science then toss out evolution?Come on.. are yo joking with me? EVOLUTION IS A PROVEN FACT!!!! You can sit here and say your invisible paradise is real without proof, evolution hands u buckets full of it. and no?
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
dude i graduaded highschool with a 9 for biology i know more than most people about evolution, i am no expert but i know alot, it is based on darwins natural selection theory, i dont understand that you believe in darwins theory wich has wholes bigger than helix nebula eye and you come with ''i need prove of everything'' crap, but if you insist on discussing the evoltion THEORY i am ready for it, as i told earlier who loses more when he is wrong about the paradise ?
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos you lose more,you waste the time you have in your real life praying to nobody, and hoping you die so you can go to paradise. Did you really say there are big holes in evolution then say you know your god is the one true god. Go ahead, elaborate on your evolution holes.I hope your evolution readings werent written by Harun Yahya.If that is your evolution, come to the prosperous parts of the world,and look at what religion cant hide! You've been lied to your whole life, break the code
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
nope, didnt go to a mosk in like 20 years, i only say 5-20 x a day a 5 secons prayer "" allah is my god and muhammed is his prophet'' , i do this while i am driving, when i am pissed and wanne rip someones head and when i am seeing unjustice done on tv or internet to other muslims, well i may be the worst muslim ever but even the worst muslim is better than the best unbeliever if you see it from entrance to heaven perspective
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos earlier we talked about the quran and how you said if i could prove 1 scientific claim that was wrong in the quoran you would be converted. since if its gods voice in the pages he couldnt possibly be wrong right? But I have you several incidents, and although you try to laugh em off or explain out of context what they are "trying" to say you really didnt convince me. What about all those mistakes in the quran? good mistakes in the qoran and see what comes up. do some non-bias reading
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
scientific claim ? do you mean the port to heaven under the river, wich i never heard before and cant call it in the slightest sience. the mountain thing ? none of these has something to do with sience and i hear it for the 1st time from you. Come with measurable things, like disproving liniar time line, creating life, balance of materials humans are made of, recreating a being with free will (even mechancal).. he forget that even clone a human without a soal
tecellos 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
why i think there is only 1 god ? easy 1, first becouse he sais he is, second what would happen if there would be more than one, there would be disagreement, jelousy, fights etc etc,, the possiblity that there is no one is much more realistic than there is more than one,.... ok think about the following , god says: work hard on for your life on earth as if you would never die and work hard for afterlife if you would die tomorrow, this sentence cant be anything else than divine
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos but he didnt say he was, someone else said he talked to god, and god told him this??? as I wrong? your god never spoke to anyone besides muhammad right? and a few other prohpets that you never met??? is there a chance they were lying for some notoriety? there is billions to be made thru religion.. don't you even consider the option that they were lying to profit from believers who want answers to questions that they couldn't answer back then?? isn't it possible?
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
prophets gave all their belongings away and they helped their people to sirvive, Noah build an arc and saved all living beings, moses saved jews from the faraoh, mohammed fought many battles against oppressing uinbelivers who had professional armies won them all and lost only 1 tooth, jesus will kill the antichrist
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos see the thing is... there is absolutely no proof that jews wandered the desert for 40 years, or that noah gathers 10 million animals, put em in a boat, and sailed around the world for 40 days while no animals ate anything, this is non-sense. the fact that you believe this stuff really happened makes the educated laugh out loud. There is no evidence to support ANY of your claims!
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
about noahs boat and jews travel proofs, i cant prove it happened niether can you it didnt, thats why i am saying let us keep it by things we can
tecellos 7 months ago
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BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@tecellos
dude i have watched the guy you mentioned, he is a half jew and full gay, not that i am against 1 of those but if i wanted his opnion I would visit one of his shows, i rather like to talk about things to to every logic thinking person personally, much rather than the mainstream guys.
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos Hilarious, because someone makes a good point its discredited because hes in the mainstream media. You ignore logic and disregard reason.Its people like you who contribute to the murder of millions, and the burden of religion evident. You sit here and argue that evolution isn't true because we cant find a link between the 25th and 27th different hominids in sequential order. You want fossil evidence we give it.. we want any physical evidence. What do you give us? an old stupid book
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@tecellos I don't have to prove it didn't, it's an illogical miracle.. If you claim the absurd is true, you need to provide the proof... Its not proof that Jesus rose from the dead because they have an empty tomb. Thats proof of an empty tomb.. Do you understand?
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago 2
@BoggsDiamond
i can understand you do not believe in god, but trying to convince me of the evolution bullshit is an insult on my intelligence, i know my english is bad and (it is my 3rd language) it is difficult for me to explain what i think but evolution is really bullshit
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos you need to put this in your search bar
The two best points made in Bill Maher's atheist documentary film 'Religulous'
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@tecellos in response to the private message (pls stop inboxing me) I think you are foolish to believe that jesus and the antichrist have super powers, and will be coming in the next 60 years. . Its a shame that there is no after life, because you won't be able to understand how wrong you are. Why do you need someone to tell you how to live your life?Why would god tell you to hack off the end of your penis, or cut off the clitoris of women?What moral god would want that?
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
circumsizing man is a hygiene thing, but cutting clitoris is forbidden by our religion , dude i sent you pm becouse of the shitty max letter cap here, to be honost i started talking to you becouse i thought maybe there is something interesting about the way your thinking but there is not, i wouldnt mind we stop this no where going discussion, i respect your opinion but there is nothing there i didnt hear before
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos circumcision is not a hygiene thing, it is to decrease sensitivity, and to repress basic insticts, at least in the religious way. your way.. if you hear this all the time how can u still believe? the thing is, your taking the side of an argument that you have claimed has a basis in science, however, all science EVER has said that your beliefs are in things that cannot exist. cannot even be domonstrated.. It frustrates me that you can believe so blindly with such damning evidence b4 u.
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
circumsizing is a hygene thing, have you never heard that there are people who get infected by bad hygene and their extra skin gets removed surgically ?, couldnt this been avoided by regular good cleaning, yes in most cases offcourse, but our religion is for everyone in the world and some people do not have water resources like you and i do or they dont have the money (homeless etc), by sircumsizing you avoid this medical problem
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos what if your wrong??? is there anything anyone call tell you or show you that could make you change your beliefs?
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
well... that is a good question, if i am wrong i will loose nothing, i already did everything in my life till now what i also would do if i was an unbeliever, but if you are wrong you will loose eternal entrance to paradise, after all i have seen and heared i doubt i will ever change my believes, i will stop believing if there is prove there is no god, for example if a human can create a being with own will, or prove chaos theory etc etc
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos you need to read some stuff about evolution. About how we got to where we are. Do you understand how humans evolved from humanoid creatures? or do you beleive evolution is real except when it comes to humans? Do you understand the amount of time we are talking about, from single celled organisms. Im curious why you believe stories handed down centuries by the most illiterate, superstitious people in the uncivilized world?
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
i have read too much about evolution and i can clearly say it is just crap, i will give a few examples why i come to that conclusion 1. if evolution was true every being would want to perfect itselff and maximise its survivelabity, if this was true why would a being evolve in a rabbit ? or another herbivore ? 2. why didnt we evolve eyes that can see the whole light spectrum ? we cant see shit in dark, our hearing is is very limited etc etc, i have a lot others aswell
tecellos 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
about your single cell theory, dude tell me, is in biology possible to create life from a NEVER lived tissue ? or in physics or mathmetics change the number 0 into a positive number even in the theoraticly bases ? i can tell you the answer is no, you cant make the number 0 whatever you do into a positive number, this is not possible, not in a million years neither 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999 years
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos y are you talking about numbers? lets talk about science? what physical proof do you have that evolution is wrong? what physical proof do you have the your god exists? (dont say your writings, if god is everywhere doing everything why can't he pop by ANYWHERE to say hi? and that he exists? your just supposed to believe based on no proof? you ask these questions, but why is saying "god did it" enough for you? do you know the term "explaining the rainbow"
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
if evolution was right everything would be based on luck, survival of the fittest (natural selection), tell me why any creature bother to be a herbiphore, instead of being a helpless rabbit why didnt there genes evolved in real protection like fangs, is offence not best defence ? why are we humans the only creatures who can think instead of automised reactions (instict), a fish grow legs and lungs and than gets sane ? does this sounds logical ?
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos saying things like this demonstrates quiet well that you know absolutely nothing about evolution or science
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
dude ok, time does not make impossible things possible. As an example, a computer was programmed in an attempt to arrive at the simple 26-letter alphabet. After 35,000,000,000,000 (35 trillion) attempts it has only arrived at 14 letters correctly. What are the odds that a simple single cell organism could evolve given the complexity of more than 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations all in the correct places? tell me ?
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos There are billions upon billions upon trillions of stars!
It would be improbable to have only 1 planet, there has to be life on other planets. HAS TO BE.. You know what, if there is intelligent life, I bet they have gods too.. You believe in 1 of thousands of gods. Every person on this planet who worships believes theirs is the 1 true god. You want to talk numbers, what are the chances that you are right? Then figure the chances that any are right.. Your on the side on non-reason. GL
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
about sience, i am a very strong believer in order instead of chaos theory (incuding evolution), everything is made with a purpose, bugs are machines to sustain macro biology, animals to provide food (herbiphores) - carnivores to keep the stock healthy, plants to sustain us air, etc etc. everything on earth has the sole purpose to serve humantiy, even the angles
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos right at the top of that your trying to say that the quote was not wrong.. (the 2 by 2) but its blatently wrong.as for the rest of that, its completely stupid. all of those things are either happening/have happened/ or happened with more frequency many many many years ago... Who do you want the end of the world.... just answer this.. what if your wrong? what if what you think happens after you die is wrong?? if we were having this discussion in canada, you would be telling me of christ
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
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@tecellos Quran 31: 29 Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.
Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course.
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@tecellos
Quran 47: 4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….
Quran 2: 191 And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
Quran 8: 65 O Apostle ! rouse the believers to the fight of….unbelievers.
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
this is exactly what i mean, if you read the whole paragraph it is obvious that this is about the unbelievers who broke the treaty with the prophet and tried to ambush him, only those who were on their way to kill the muslims must be killed... think for yourself if we kill all unbelievers now, we take away their possiblity to convert later and the quaran clearly sais that every unbeliever has the right to turn to the right path just before his / her last breath
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos well Im a non-believer... I think your religion is garbage, the same as all the others... Does your book say Im fine? or that you should kill all non-believers?
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@tecellos Quran 9: 29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith(Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.
Quran 9: 5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
On Earth there are rivers. Hadiths tell that 2 of the big ones – the Nile and the Euphrates – start in Heaven/Paradise. Wrong to say the least of it.
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
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@BoggsDiamond
hadiths are not gods word
tecellos 7 months ago
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BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond what i ask you is actually the same thing god asks us, learn sience and challenge his facts, ''say to me there and there in quaran it is said .... and i can prove you it is this...'' and what i am saying you is that from what i have seen it is a very logical explanation to many questions what cant be answered with modern technoly and i find it very likely to be true.... prove me it is not...
tecellos 8 months ago
@tecellos and the argument Im making is that god didnt say that to you, Im saying you have taken philosophy and turned it into religion. Im saying god hasnt talked to people, and told them what to think, Im saying millions have followed other relgiions preached by "god" that say completely contraditorial things, Just prove beyond a reasonable doubt god exists, you cant, that's the point. u say god says all this and that, but you cant even prove there is a god, thats 1 big damn hole in your story
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@tecellos Where did you go?? You kind of just quit our conversation...
You asked for some items where the ko'ran was wrong, i gave u 5 or 6, are you just going to ignore me now?
BoggsDiamond 7 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
hmm, i only saw something about a river from a dubious hadith, it is very busy at work atm, i promiss i'll look into it today and come back to you
tecellos 7 months ago
@tecellos Your not even arguing your points,your throwing out strawmans,then retreating from them. show some conviction in your preachings. argue for your beliefs, dont just say they are mine cause I believe in em, back that shit up. Dont say its right cause god said so, cause you can't possibly prove god spoke to man, you cant possibly prove god exists,you cant possibly prove he intervened.You believe in 1 out of 2000 gods, what makes your correct and all the others wrong? have some conviction!
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@tecellos that is faith wrapped up in a bow you retard! You don't know it for sure, because you can't prove it! Your taking someones word for it... faith!
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@damien28173
The only way to know the truth you have to know everything you can. ;)
i'm sure yo know only shit about history and religion.
randomguyalwayshere 8 months ago
@randomguyalwayshere I'll tell u I know a ton more than you do about religion, and magnitudes more about why its all bullshit. Im not sure which religion you are a member of, but I can assure you you are wrong. the world is 6 billion years old, but god stepped in to guide us at most 3000 years ago?? come man man, how gullible can you possibly be??
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
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randomguyalwayshere 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
judaisme apeared 4000year ago ;)
The Earth is accepted by scientists to be around 4.5 billion years old. ;)
For magnitude you possibly know better than i, cause i don't really now those thing
religion? don't think so you don't even know how much year god stepped in to guide us x)
here's a simple question for u. What is islam and what do you think about it?
randomguyalwayshere 8 months ago
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BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@randomguyalwayshere I think Islam,(like all religions)is philosophy gone bad.I think the religion is a form of hate, and I think it its just a plagiarism of Judaism. I believe that martyrs do not go to paradise and are greeted by virgins, I believe that their remains fester in piles where ever they land, and what effect their blowing themselves up has is only helping to bring negative feels towards the people who peacefully worship. But since they r all the same.its wrong and a waste of time
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago
@BoggsDiamond
Remember this what you think, not the reality.
and what you think can change if you see and learn reality. ;)
randomguyalwayshere 8 months ago
@randomguyalwayshere so for me to see and learn reality, I need to believe in a non real world???? hmmm, sounds like conflicting statements. Your the wrong one friend. If you genuinely believe that the creator of the entire universe (remember the closest star is 4.3 light years away) has interacted with humans you are a gullible twit. think about that statement.. then think that he aparently has done it thousands of times all over the world, as recently as 1822 in upstate new york. its hokum
BoggsDiamond 8 months ago