Dante s Inferno Heresy Trailer HD

[TekkenElite]

I honestly wan't to see the Sequel. This game was so freakin good, people compare to GOW thats ok but the Choice we get to damn or absolve the souls was pretty cool (kinda like InFamous' Karma system though but still). The story and the concept was so damn compelling.

I wanna see where they go from the 9 circles of hell.

[TropicalTendencies]

Please make the sequel already ! Couldn't stop playing that game...love it so much.

[013jared]

that is one fucked up game but in the end it is just one sick detailed game with a lot of serious topics

[Rockpolitik89]

Don't need long-preaching-comments here. This is a fucking game. JUST a FUCKING game.

[Hazard551]

wht the hell is with the long comments?

[behemuth]

bleh, the christian mythology is so boring... probably my least favorite mythology. Mean, the characters are so bland... there is few aspects to say god or satan, basically you can count on satan being evil and god being good. *yaaawn* and what else is there? just "demons and angels" ... yeah... wow, thats a lot of variety.

Greek, Norse, Slavic.. all superior mythologies.

[Wolverineskilletfan]

@behemuth I do agree with part of your statement, in that I enjoy reading other mythologys, especially greek. But I don't believe christianity to be mythology, I believe it to be true

[behemuth]

@Wolverineskilletfan well thats sad, it is still just another mythology. if you believe it or not, it is still not any different. i could patronize you and go "well thats super!" but i won't. it is a mythology by definition, and you believe in it. if you can't accept that without that affecting your beliefs, then you should consider thinking it through again.

just saying.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth So what do you believe? That material things that produce themselves in front of us are to be more believed than that of religions; for instance what science produces as its sole proof of everything around us? Where did science come from? I know the name and the practice may have been developed by man, but how did man acquire such knowledge? How does man justify what is real and myth? How would man, in all of his/her arrogance prove to anyone that there is not a higher power?

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 you should not make an argument against science if you do not even know what science is. science is not about proving anything, but about trying to make logical assertions about the world around us (hypothesis) and try our very best to disprove it. if it is disproven, then it was false, and we try again. we make no claims to know anything, because for us to know if we are right or not, we would have to know the answer. and if we did, why bother looking? religion just asserts its

[archangel8323]

@behemuth :) well you do have me mistaken, I am not some evangelist that knows just the Good Book and thats it haha. I do have a good understanding of science as well. Your right it isn't just about proving, but about understanding things that occur in our world and in the universe for as far as we can see of it. I do not go so far to say that science is without it's own faults. Religion and its correctness as far as the bible goes is just as historical for the most part as how you know

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 correct based of tradition and accounts from its forbears.. you have a "how arrogant is man" attitude, which is harmful and dangerous. what do you think spurred the dark ages? if not man saying "this is blasfemous, you should die, you should die" until no one knew anything worthwhile and europe was left in religious darkness. to be awakened by what is now thought of as western thinking (greek texts) nabbed from the islam provinces who had preserved it. man knows nothing, but

[archangel8323]

@behemuth what an atom is made up of on the granted knowledge from science's forebearers. There are three parts to understanding the bible. Allegorically, philosophically, and contextually, but that is not important as to the discussion. Man is arrogant or is history wrong? Do you stand to justify by saying that man isn't arrogant when Kings and Queens thought they possessed some divine nature from God to rule their lands. OR how nobles too thought they possessed the same power and how no

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 through the scientific method, we can know what is not true, and narrow down what must therefore be true. for you to discredit this is moronic. unless i have you mistaken. and there is no room for a god in science. god is meta science. it is not provable or disprovable. thus we should not concern ourself if it is true or false. no more than we can disprove someone saying that pixies made the world and reside beyond the veil of time. how arrogant is man to say this is not so

[archangel8323]

@behemuth no one, but them could have noblity unless it was in their blood? I would think that is pretty arrogant. Lets take this little tid-bit to today's thinking. What about the radical Muslims that kill in the name of Allah? Is that not man's arrogance? Surely you must see some angry God bringing his benevolent hand down on us and force us to say that we fight and die in God's name. No that is a leader telling his troops his crazed thoughts inspired by ambition and greed.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth Arrogance of man is something that shouldn't be avoided nor should it be ignored in any way. History proves that even in science when we all thought the world was flat and that everything revolved around our world for the most part. We've conquered lands because we believed that it was our responsiblity to do so. Hell, even two chemists thought they found cold fusion back in 1989 and told the world before they did any back up checks. Arrogance may not totally play a role there but

[archangel8323]

@behemuth I'm sure it was involved. As to science, the method states that is something works through a trial long enough it is accepted as plausible. This is understandable and undeniable; of course i was never really against science, but against those that think it is the only idea when so many have come before it and continue to sprout forth after it. Scientist refer to them as fallacies and psuedo-science. I am not saying that they are science, but maybe just an offshoot....

[archangel8323]

@behemuth More importantly I was curious where you stand; not trying to be a mocker or poke fun with some snide attitude. You should still consider some of the things that I've said about arrogance. Yes it is dangerous, but it is not just dangerous in the hands of some fanatical tyrant bent on forcibly spreading religion. It is sad to say that Religions like mine are far too misunderstood and brushed aside so easily because of that & its past. And it isnt even to be blamed. man IS arrogant...

[archangel8323]

@behemuth for refusing to think otherwise so quickly. So I think we should try to understand what cannot be explained readily and focus on that when we have time. Besides like you said before, when we religious folk (in all of our fears) put science to death for a time, the same is being attempted today for religion. Now since we know from our past that two wrongs don't make a right. How can you explain why those that be are attempting a stubbon fools plight?

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 I never argued that man cannot be arrogant.. that would be quite a feat.. but what people did and meant in the religious dark ages, or what muslims do in the name of their god, cannot and should not be equal to the arrogance that some root in conservative 80 year old neuroscientist. What i reacted to was the notion that man is somehow arrogant to think they can find answers, or try to find answers where god is not a part of the equation. which is = to the dark ages. cont.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth Oh I do believe that any man's ignorance or arrogance toward their thinking should be equal to another man's. It is the actions and the course at which their arrogance or their ignorance takes them that is unequal. Like the representatives of christianity in the past. Their actions prove far more evil and ignorant than that of some guy who happens to be gay and falsified evidence to prove that the gay gene could be found in the brain size of cadavers in males and females true story.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 But that researcher were not necessarily arrogant, it is a mistake that many researchers do, they don't look to disprove their thesis, but rather to prove it. But that goes against science. you can prove it on a million different occations, but disprove it once and it is false. this is why science has such strict peer reviews. But a 14th century aristocrat who, backed up by religious writings claimed that males were superior to women, or that white > black, just by convenience ->

[archangel8323]

@behemuth It wasn’t a mistake it was blatant. His name is Simon LeVay. I won’t bother you with details, but you can look him up. I will say that soon after his Hypothalamus Study was published it was discredited and taken from a quote from him after this happened:“if I didn’t find anything, I would give up a scientific career altogether.” A lot of scientists at this point probably wish he had because his research was biased and corrupt everything that science shouldn‘t be.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 But this happens to a lot of scientists, though not all have such a hot pot subject though... they have invested a great deal of time, effort and money, they are blinded by a consuming wish to prove their theory. so they seek to prove it instead of trying to disprove it. once this happens they are no longer scientists though. they are blinded by faith in something dear to them, like religious people. so in putting this man up to despots of the middle ages you are correct, but.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 this man were never a scientist to begin with, his methods were not scientific, thus he were not a scientist, and therefore, should not go under the term, or under the cloak of science.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth Thus, the same argument could be made of those who twist lies into Christianity. For if, the act in the same nature as a person claiming to be a scientist would; by conducting, what they think is science outside the norms of how science is meant to be understood. That person is not a scientist as well as the Christian who is not acting under the same premise of what a Christian should be.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 Except all the cults that base themselves off the bible, none of them are wrong in what the bible says, but uses it as a medium to gain authority and power. This is far more common and destructive than a biased man claiming to be conducting science.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth So what your saying that without religion there would be no war? Without religion there would be no strife? Without religion assholes would stop beating their wives and homosexuals would still not be descriminated against? Without religion a man won't kill to take what he wants? Without religion tyrants won't oppress their people? If we could wipe the slate clean and the memories of man tethered to religion man would not be violent, sadistic, evil, corrupt?

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 I'm saying religion gave evil men power and justification, and still do to this day. these people have and always will be around... question is if they would have had such a easy time getting their perverted ideals and practices enforced upon others if they did or do not have religion. i say that if we did not have religion these people would be much less visible and powerful. There would be strife for sure, they are still there after all, but far less of it.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth And I agree with you for the most part; unfortunately religion is used as a weapon, but that doesn't mean that if it were gone man would not find another weapon to use either philosophically or physically. Yes, war is wrong, but necessary to some extent. Just like science, it is an amazing study with what we can do with it, but no one will destroy it because of how a few people use it for in the wrong light.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 Its not a 'few people' the history of discrimination and racism were written in religious ink.. religion was the foundation on which these horrible people found their footing. the bible gave them black on white justification, and in some cases even tales of events that supported their views. And it continues to this day... where as today we have cultural differences and biases, which in turn beget from religion of the medieval times.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth Even though for the sake of humanity that would seem like an easier life, I highly doubt all of those things would come to pass. Bad people would find something else to justify their deeds and then you would be blaming something else and then when that gone and they find something else maybe ::gasp:: OH NOES! science in extreme perverted since and then you would be without science because for the sake of the greater good science would have to be disbanded.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 bad people do not use religion to justify their deeds.. they use it to force others to act in accordance to their wills. No religious despot ever had to justify themselves. the presumption were made by the loyal followers that he was in the right since he was their link to god in life.

Science could not be used for this, despots could borrow Darwinian theories and apply them in their social network, but if there is one thing the 20'th century taught us, it is that such

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 political systems do not last, they cause a great bit of damage, but the people feel no obligation to follow the system and might revolt or disband it once the despot is dead. this is NOT the case if the people are indoctrinated in the despots religion. Take stalin for instance, he put himself in the position the russian people knew from the tsars, and used the same methods of control and power as the tsars. and it worked. people even liked the despot.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth Then where would we be? I mean I would rather say that science would be next because its the scientist who gets a governement contract and makes weapons of war and its the scientist who aiding in developing bio-chemical weapons; cause you seem to know this better than me that even if they aren't acting as true scientists they still use the method and the still conduct experiments and they still test to see if it works otherwise it wouldn't and it wouldnt be science.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 wars are bad for sure... just that the sad truth is, the human species thrive and evolve in wars. we always have and i bet we always will. But modern science currently steer war towards a war of attrition. my technology is better than yours, don't attack me. we have similar power, if we fight this will not end well. we won't fight. We have better tech than you, your army was disabled with 1/10 the casualties of a medieval conflict.

It is a good thing war tech gets better.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 Bio chemical weapons are not developed for war anymore. they are already developed and currently are being manufactured for use by people who could hardly be called scientists. Science is not closed, it is open, the scientific community does not have secrets. governments do however.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth That's neither here nor there though right? Religious people cause wars which in turn makes the poor scientists become forced to make those weapons right? I guess people WILL do anything to point the finger in the opposite direction. And I'm not saying that what people do with religion in this sense are right; they are wrong on an extreme moral level. The problem is that you wouldn't know a real christian if one of them tapped your shoulder.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 a real christian? says who? according to one of the thousands of interpretations of the bible? we do not even have a good idea if jesus was the jesus of the gospels. jesus is kinda like soktrates in that sense. what did jesus preach? the trust may forever be lost. whatever he did preach however, is that a real christian is, i suppose. assuming the bible is correct, then which interpretation is correct? no one knows, who's to say your idea is more correct that that of another?

[archangel8323]

@behemuth In my honost opinion, a good christian is someone who strives to follow the teachings of Christ, worships during the week as prescribed, strives daily to avoid the 7 deadly sins, and follows the 10 commandments to the best of their ability. This is the complication though: it is hard to do all of these things daily and people tend to make mistakes; which is why sins are forgivable. It is not to say that this is an excuse, but we as Christians are obiligated to help each other out >>

[archangel8323]

@behemuth (sorry for the double post) >> and we strive to be tolerable. This is not to explain the actions of those who have used "religion as a gun" of sorts; no those men were truely evil and I would die by fire saying that if I lived back then like I am sure many have. This is no excuse for the priest that molests a child nor a nun who beats a child abusively because the wench doesn't like child to begin with.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 And yet, for every one of you, there are a conservative catholic with views on child raising that would cause your gut to wrench in disgust. There are good people that follow religion, but thats not because religion is good, it is because these good people were brought up to believe in Christianity. You have a working inner moral code that allows you to read it in a way that seams beneficial to western views. others who read the same texts might kill their own mother if she does

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 not follow the good book to the letter. The devil is in the details no?

What is the cause of good in religion? is it religion that teaches man to be good? or is it that good people sometimes get brought up in a religious family? People are not born alike, some are born with a good moral sense, some born a psychopath. be it good or evil, you would do good or evil regardless of the religion you follow. the issue is not in lack of individual good but utility for evil.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth this is to say that a person willing to repent and i truely sorry for what they have done we muct tolerate them; and even a lot times when they do not feel it is necessary to do such things. Even people who commit murder whether they find God in prison or they shortly after their conviction they still can get forgiveness if they feel that a belief in God will make them rest easier at night. And even Christians tend to stray from or doubt their faith. Having faith in this world is a>>

[archangel8323]

@behemuth >>hard thing to keep up with on a daily basis. Especially when we witness all that we have talked about here. So this what I think a real Christian is. It is something that I try to do everyday, but I am not always successful. But I don't see myself holier than thou; i'm just another person in this world. But I will say that I have utter disdain with those that do see themselves as "holier than thou" and find more entertainment from knocking them down a peg or two just to keep them

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 well... if everyone were like you religion would be naught but an force for good, eccentric but still good. unfortunately, this is not the case : (

As long as someone is different from someone else, be it looks, statue, worth of intellect, physical or mental merits or simply possessions... then evil men will emerge, and they will use whatever tool they see most potent. and we have established by now that religion happens to be the weapon of choice for large scale damage.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth grounded. To remind them that there are more people in this world than they are and they all deserve God's favor if they are willing to put to it and to remind them that no one is perfect and that a humble nature is more rewarded than a prideful one; even in this world. Jesus described, unto people he interacted, with parables and in each one they had some character flaw that emulated what the person he was talking to had. The point of it was to shock them into realizing the error >>

[archangel8323]

@behemuth >> of their ways. He pissed a lot of people off obviously from what the story depicts, but thats only because those noble like people weren't used to being treated that way. So even then nobles in the heirarchy of the Jewish religion were openly treated as such and proven wrong of how they thought people should be treated and how they were wrong when they used some of the religious sanctuaries as shops or flea markets.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth All you can see in the religion is whats wrong with it; you cannot see what GOOD moral people strive to do with it and that's sad. This whole time I've trying to relay what christians are supposed to do and all you've told me is the same old junk you have put down which in turn makes me repeat myself. Yes the people in the past in religion have done wrong things yes there are those who do wrong today. Those that be lied about "following religion to the T" that obvious because -->

[archangel8323]

@behemuth >> look what came from it. Sometimes Man will be arrogant with or without religion. Man will fight wars because its the land they want; not to please God or some other deity. Or its power; to be the one who rules the world. Take Gangis Khan for instance whether he was religious or not he didn't kill for some benevolent being. No he and his men killed for the glory because he wanted to rule the world. Do you not think that absent of religion men like that would not come along?

[archangel8323]

@behemuth More importantly, do you not think that men like him havent come along and only have used religion to disguise their true intentions? Do you really think that ALL of the warlords solely fought because they thought it would please some god? well, maybe the romans and greeks with their deities before Christ...The point is that your this world without religion will never happen; unfortunate for you. So you can quip and bicker all you like, but it wont change anything deal with it.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 thats exactly my point... religion does not cause strife, it gives people credibility, a voice, power to forth their evil viewpoints and agendas. Religion is a gun. it can be used to save lives.. but also to end lives or threaten others to follow your whims. it is power in the hands of man. Problem being that man will use that gun for selfish reasons more often than not... it would be best to get rid of it, but boy don't people love their guns`?

(i'm not an anti war/guns loon tho

[archangel8323]

@behemuth This however, does not conclude that religion is bad, but goes back to my original argument: religion should not be responsible for the actions of man outside the law of God. And if you are to think that religion is bad so too should you agree that science is bad too because of the few bad apples in their basket.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 Thats only if you believe in god.. those of us who do not, like me and everyone who do not identify themselves as christians, see christianity as work of man and man's desire for control and authority/power can be catalyzed through christianity. Tv evangelicals for instance.. use their religion to amass personal wealth and authority. oh and there is more than a few bad apples in religion's basket. not something that can be easily excused.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 That is true arrogance. to think that you know something based off nothing. to assert without deduction. which happens to be a hallmark of christianity, even more so going of history.

And no, the greek writings were lost because the ones who could read it, and understand it were labeled as heritics. Because after the meting where the bible were cobbled together, anyone who had a different take on the story were banished. driven out. and they took the writings of the greeks with

[archangel8323]

@behemuth As to the bible and the accounts of the roles of man and woman they are clear. A woman married in a holy union with a man is equal to her counter part; though the roles are different. Any man that takes to treating his wife in a controlling nature is disturbing that equality because also The Good Book states:Do unto others as you would have them do unto you (loosely translated).

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 The bible does not teach that men and women are equal. maybe the original gospels told such stories, but the edited and golden standard bible throughout the middle ages did not share such a sentiment. this rose from the whole "eve caused the expulsion from paradise, women are vile temptresses." that was the teachings and practice of Christianity for the brunt of the past 2000 years.

Oh and the bible also says "tho shalt not kill" yet in the same sentence says:

[archangel8323]

@behemuth Yes it is true that men and women under the roof of the church and the religion itself hold differing positions and roles that may give to the illusion of inequality, but in the eyes of God all of man (as being the root word for humanity) is equal and as such is in the bible to stand as a teaching of mutual respect. What you might be getting your information from is the standard of male oppression that has run rampant based off old ideologies of aristocrats in the past; god fearing...

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 you seriously suggesting that the perverted culture of men treating women as cattle, to demonize and punish at their whim... to work them to death and burn them at the stake if they menstruated... was caused, at every instance by men who were sadistic bastards? not that they were brought up in a culture that practiced and rewarded such conduct? Fact of the matter is, that pre christianity, women in norse countries had rights not surpassed until the early mid 20'th century...

[archangel8323]

@behemuth ...or godless. So no it does not have to be a sadistic bastard wearing the cloth of a religion to an ass enough to be oppressive. Pagans and other like nonbelievers can be too.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 "keep the sabbath holy" which were to be enforced by ... killing. hardly coherent but hey..

Oh? does not religious leaders today stir up acts of violence and hate? does not Christianity fight homosexuality vigorously? does not the whole 'sports fan' mentality cause rivalry between religions? it has for as long as religion has existed, and continue to this day. KKK, shia/sunni, muslim brotherhood, mormons vs rest of christianity... so much hate thrown around because of religion.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth Yes one of the 10 commandments (the law of God) does say ‘Thou shalt not kill’ and yes to be more correct the phrase is ‘honor the Sabbath and keep it holy’ which has nothing to do with killing anyone because that would simply be a direct contradiction of the first quoted commandment. Honoring the Sabbath and keeping it holy is to pay homage and respect in prayer and worship (ie. Attending church on Sunday). Nowhere in the bible does it state to kill to keep the Sabbath holy that is>

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 a misnomer? you telling me that NO where in the bible, does it say that is someone worked on the sabbath, he should be stones? even though there is a story about a man who were infact, stones to death because he did a minor chore on the sabbath?

Sin = bad, so homosexuality is therefore bad. all christianity is saying, if you're being liberal is: you're filthy, but repent and pray, never sin again and know you are a filthy sinner, and it's cool. also, men are christianity, they

[behemuth]

Men write the moral laws of christianity, TV evangelicals, the pope... whoever have a large following. if some evangelical could rally 90% of christians, and announce that pedophilia were ok in the good book, then christianity would support it. ofc this is extreme and will never happen... but if it did, then a good protestant christian would eventually sodomize children as an alternative to sex. the moral code in the bible and christianity is NOT static, never was, never will be.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth >a misnomer. Yes the church is avidly against homosexuality because the nature of it is a sin and that is in the bible too. The church is not to condemn and hate the people that commit the sin, but the sin itself is to be avoided under Christian practices throughout our lives. So I see three groups that you report to blame religion for, but I see not why. Those groups are motivated by the acts of men like them and Christians should avoid them as well.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth Violence has been a part of our lives since before structured religions; cave men fighting over women and status in the nomadic tribes for respect should we too blame this on religion when none of them had the intellect to for audible words let alone any solid basis for a religion. If is not enough for you then African tribes that fought for power and control enslaving their own neighboring tribes who lost to their attacks…nope no religion there either.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 cave men, as you call it, also had religions you know... neanderthals, a now extinct sub species of the homo genus, had their own religion, practice and gods. yet they died out. how they must have prayed as the sun set on their heritage... religion has probably been a part of the human species ever since we began to communicate with each other verbally. "why does it thunder?" "well, because of nth'kha'thul' ... or, if you're in middle east 3000BC "yahweh"

[archangel8323]

@behemuth Then again it shouldn’t really matter if religion was a part of a culture or not in times of war and peace, what the history books will tell you is that of the men and women committing heinous acts of violence for advancement in the hierarchy of kingdoms and in competition for senate positions closer to the king’s ear; those were not for religious purposes, but acts of greed and envy.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 You do know that the ones closest to 'the kings ear' for the majority of medieval europe were... people speaking the good word, reporting to the pope. The same popes who were spokesman for god who took monetary value as payment for salvation, issued genocides left and right on peaceful people who had a different take on christianity, people who by modern standards would be considered harmless... This is the acts of men using the man made power mediator; religion.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth As for the treatment of the ethnic groups you still assume the same thought of religion and its supposed racial bias. So again I will repeat in other words: the actions of a person should not fall on to his/her religious background if the society outside of the religion also deems it acceptable. Culture is to blame as to the actions of the person.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 And what of the recent incident of the buffy actor who killed his mother in cold blood because she did not share his exact christian values? such weak minds flock to religion because it gives comfort and meaning. leader says jump, i know what to do, i must jump. leader says hate these people... i hate these people. its an awful thing, and you're right, it is culture. religious culture.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth Weak minds do flock to religion, I’ll give you that or there would not be a reason for this discussion currently. A person who kills in the name God breaks the same commandment as anyone who kills for any reason. It might have been closer to the truth with your statement of the leader making demands to his flock, but that was in a time where 75% of the world could not read or write; I highly doubt that things would be as they were if the numbers of the illiterate were much smaller.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 But illiteracy is still widespread in the world.,.. even in america. We are not immune to this effect, even tho this day. as the widespread bestial cults sweating out of the carcass of religion proves. What of the awful people who blame every horrid event on gay rights in the US? do they not stir up rage, hate and values among people that are considered to be sinful? these people, and the ones like them cause irreparable harm to the world.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 the shit from mythos to logos happened in greece almost 3000 years ago... yet since then, we have gone back to mythos (christianity) and then back to logos again (mechanistic world view and empirical thinkers, Descartes etc.) and in the past 1-2 centuries we have develped the scientific method, which is not a dogma, but a working method towards observable and provable truths. if this is to change without ir reverting to religon, the change will be an improvement in method, not

[archangel8323]

@behemuth While wwe are still stuck on the side subject of the Dark Ages, I will say that the best reason (in my honest opinion) as to why whatever version of science and alchemy was struck down during those time is that because they lacked a convincable voice, power, and money to swing the ideals of the ignorant their way. It had nothing really to do with religion no more than the uniform any pope or religious leader wore back then. It was the agendas of corrupt men and women that fueled...

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 them and went east and settled in what is now the middle east. which in time caused the islamic empire to rise to power, sporting advanced medicine, philosophy which were derived from the teksts of aristotle and plato, math, geometry and legal practice. while europe were left with nothing but fools who at least had a 'coherent' but still a patchwork of holy texts that only holy men could read... the writings of the great minds were used for firewood .. by odins all seeing eye...

[archangel8323]

@behemuth A lot of what the bible depicts (outside of parables, inspirational poems, prayers, songs, contextual information like the commandments, Jesus’ life…etc.) is that it also shows cultural practices; much like what we see today still in the middle east and in some parts of the world. However, nowhere does it state that blacks are devil spawn or unequal at any rate. In fact it teaches us to live in harmony with one another.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 The same text can also be read as an excuse for racial hate and genocide... all depends on what manner of person reads it. Religion does not cause racism. bloated human ego does. what religion does is give power and justification to act out on it. in the middle ages, the same bible were read in such a way that slavery. murder and horrid treatment of other cultures/races were not just fine, but a good deed onto god. we just happen to read it nicer today, who knows in the future.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth ...the campaign against the philosophies and sthe studies of science back then. Anyway, yes we have covered what the scientific method does and I understand that and I do not argue against. My point is that for the advancement of mankind the scientific method will not be the sole answer. Oh yea, your little steam engine to nuclear steam engine point is flawed I think. When you change the characteristics of one part it becomes something different entirely. The steam engine was a...

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 No, my point was that the steam engine used water vapor to power machines, nuclear engines do the same, they heat up water through nuclear processes. advantage being that you do not need to shovel coal every 2 seconds. the idea is the same, method were improved. which was my point. no scientist would say that the method is perfect, how could they? do we know what is perfect? no we don't. but it works for now, and if it changes it will bear a similar premise.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 a rewrite like what we have experienced in the past century. the scientific method works. as surely as the steam engine runs on steam. just because we might improve the engine in the future (nuclear powered steam engine) does not mean the steam engine was false, just incomplete. time will tell. As for christianity, jahve, odin and zeus.. there is no room for them in such a well oiled machinery, they are but rust and nostalgia. for the advancement of mankind, they are obsolete.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth complete design and a nuclear design would be something different; or more recently a magnetic design is still completely different though the shell of the machin my represent some nostalgia of its predecessor. So the point, it doesn;t mean that the steam engine was an incomplete process for mode of travel; it was complete and used for some time. Electric and magnetic rail lines are just an evolved form not hinting that the mode of travel is never complete, but ever changing.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 to say that just because methods change, does not mean that science will be replaced by something akin to religion. not unless we regress as a cause of religious uprising. but thats devolution, not evolution. and we should fight that with tooth and nail. and i sorely hope you do not wish for that, as brings us back to the dark ages... we do Not want that to happen again. the modern world does no longer harbor safe havens for the new 'keepers of knowledge' to flee to.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth ...concerned with wanting anyone to join the faith and come to God; it is still ultimately the non-believer’s choice. A Christian should only invite, inform, or warn; nothing more. Religion can change just as society can change. For all you and I know that religion is catching up in the world with modern thanking; with no thanks to the arrogant heretics that called others heretics in the dark ages lol. The only thing that won’t change is the philosophy and the moral code...

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 Thats a load... what do missionaries do? maybe not as frequent and harsh as before, but still today, they force christianity upon the 'pagans' peoples perception of Christianity varies depending on many variables. not to mention the difference in practice of Christianity. And come on now... were the dark age christian heretics? they followed the unaltered original first edition of the bible. if anything, thats as pure a christian as you get. just because late middle age thinkers->

[archangel8323]

@behemuth Every Christian to date has an obligation and a responsibility to see to it that the Word is spoken in the tense it is meant to be portrayed as. Meaning that we are not to promote that we are sadistic rapist hell bent on oppressing women and peoples of differing race or creed; that we are murderous warmongers hell bent on running this world into the ground, pillaging everything in sight and boasting of being the boogie man in the night for small->

[archangel8323]

@behemuth ->children that do not say their prayers…the reason not to promote such ideals is simple: in no way is that a Christians philosophy. Understand what I cam telling you because you should be cautious with your reply. Just because a religious figure deems killing in the name of God just; does not make him right under Christian view. There is no such thing as religious culture in the sense that you’re ->

[archangel8323]

@behemuth ->describing because you are talking about and have been discussing cultural backgrounds of a particular region of which is practiced still and yes they are wrong, but that has nothing to do with religion and you should see that.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 introduced the whole 'bible can be read in many number of ways' which is a thought without backing in religious texts, just pulled it out of their ass, does not mean it is true. bible were thought of as the word of god back then, and were followed literary... worked like a charm too... x)

Oh and christian philosophy has changed... so much, despite the church best efforts not to, over the past centuries. moral code too, it will change again to be sure.

[archangel8323]

@behemuth ...which is God’s law; even when society still might do so.

[behemuth]

@archangel8323 God's law? by law, ancient jews sacrificed virgin women (read any female who were virgin, be they 30 or 3) to god after a conquest, because... god wanted some too.

and to think moral code did not change.. some divine law that is shunned today. Religion is a unethical mess, you pretty much have to turn a deaf ear to bear it at times.

[RayzxNex]

muslim cant play .. poor me

[MrRedwow]

@RayzxNex Play God Of War it's much better!

[malighos]

stupid producers not making it for pc . heck you :))

[dirtyhobosINC]

this game had an awesome story line

[Fallout3GeekGuide]

im christian and i find this game to be pretty good in all truth

[ThomasDemko]

FUCK RELIGION. Just steal their ideas

[1231michael]

ive got a ps3 ive played god of war and dante's inferno and they are nuthing alike one a greek champion fighting for revenge the others a italion crusader fighting for his wife

[AssassinK32]

this is just cheap rip-off of God Of War

[rowecolumbus938211]

The stunts in JC 2 put it apart from almost any other game! In case you have never tried it yet, you absolutely need to go over to JC2DownloadXcom (replace X with . ) and get the 100 % free copy of the game. It's well worth the dl. Believe me, you'll like it!

[ropkes]

thr idea of this game is really good

[johnnnnification]

this first 1/3 of the game was fantastic, but it just lost its imagination after that, y do i fight prostitute enemies in other circles besides lust!? that's just bad game design

[vnom84]

@johnnnnification

So a hooker cant be a heretic or a traitor? I have always believed they go to the circle of their worst sin.

[ZBlacktt]

This game is so badass! I have loved it to death...... I own GOW3 as well. This game is on the same level and I do not care WHAT those badwagon GOW3 kids say. Both these games are VERY well done. A lead DEV from the GOW camp came over to help make this game. So get over it bandwagon GOW kids.

[mariko2294]

Oh man you are new at this stuff read basic bible of every cod player at CodCheat(dot)com it should brighten your stuff

[movielover19f]

wow guys, defo got to be 1 of the best games ive played, super happy ive managed to test it before its official releace. BetaTestGamers are still offering copies, check 'em out! must play more lol

[videojudge6]

This game looks awesome but horrific at the same time.

[Honorzeal]

Well, it IS about hell. ;D

[Dreamerx47]

wow....gods a complete douchebag

[blckknight117]

OH MY GOD I CAN'T TAKE IT. EVERY SINGLE DANTE'S INFERNO VIDEO. GOD OF WAR GOD OF WAR GOD OF WAR. I DON:T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT GOD OF WAR! *Panting I'm shutting comments off.

[Linux133]

god of war will never stand up against this

[Jander2020]

@Linux133 Excuse me? lmao. Never stand up against this? Wow..You must really be blind. I have played all of the GoW's and this game. This game was okay in the beginning but towards the end it lost its taste, Not to mention it got an overall rating of 7.5 to where GoW3 got an overall of 10. So..Your statement of GoW never standing up to it..is very biased. It kicked this games ass. Im not saying this game is bad..but it did start to suck towards the end. I give it a 6 myself.

[1000022205]

idk about all u other ppl... but I feel like being good in this game

[TheFlareWolf]

Lets just hope that the makers of this game dont go to hell for allowing the player to kill babis with arm-sword XD

[Pyridoxinexx]

god of war for xbox owners, looks sweet

[forbiddenphoenix765]

How can people be debating which game is better when Dante's Inferno isn't even out yet? i'm just sayin give the game time to sell one copy.

[pauletavinih]

i mean.. man it's the fucking HELL!!

[pauletavinih]

people talk bout god of war, but Dante's inferno scenarios are WAAAAY much better.

[GianXiesh]

this is inferior to god of war

[crowveon]

God of war is better...

[RaikariSpirit]

this game barrows a lot of elements from GOW , GOW is the first to introduce all the shit your seeing right now in this game.

[SDBPR]

Prove it

[shanavansmall]

this is like GOD OF WAR BUT BETTER!!!

[jensbuhler]

Wait for GoW III

[SDBPR]

I'm Roman Catholic and I say fuck it, this game is gonna rock and that EA actually did the poem justice. I hope they do a trilogy concerning Purgatorio and Paradiso.

[Mamoru0Hasukage]

Agreed, alot of the discriptions stayed, defently defnetly agree *nod nod*

[chapanese96]

i dont care if the game isnt all based on the book.....its still gonna be great! i really like the graphics to this game also. the only thing that concerns me is that people may give it bad ratings because they think its a 'copy' of god of war, or something like that

[fshg15]

why is everyone so rediculous about these things it looks like a good game. and it is a game dont get so worked up about it. get a life and dont be a troll trash talking every video you see.

[SaucyMcSaucer]

haha the babies

[sickmade18]

fucking christians always have some to bitch about it's just a game die in hell

[paccplayer11]

christians arent bitching so stfu

[sickmade18]

stop bitching lol

[paccplayer11]

LOL

[rob825]

Dude if you fart and don't say exuse me theyll condem you

[eziobg]

nice

[allbn]

the games concept seems very interesting but at the same time really controversial but i guess they really went in depth with the imagery. god of war was probably a major influence and yea its surprising.....EA made it.

[Phillip095]

It's made by EA....

[thewhiteman67]

rlly!!!!!!! i havnet noticed lmfao n y da fuck would make a game lyk dis n e way dont dey do harry potter n sum sports games?