What faked moon landings? They were fucking real. What a fucking puts. You post a video about the hardware that took us there then sugest it could have been a hoax. Are you fucking retarded?
the japanese willing to sacrifice themself for suicide missions, should put them on number 1 position for truly bold and meaningful space exploration!!
@FantasticBob7000 Captain Obvious to the rescue. I did not want this to turn into a debate about the moon landing. Thats why i made it clear in the info section . Why don't think before you hit post? Everything that happened after the rockets is beyond the point. Everything that lead up to the events in question had alot of people working very hard to build these machines. Thats what the series is about appreciation of the many people who dedicate so much time and effort into it .
@yourboycal If that's your idea of Captain Obvious then you've got issues. You turned it into a hoax debate by bringing it up. The people who built the hardware didn't stop their work once the rockets were off the pad. Guys like Thomas J. Kelly and the rest participated in the flight tests (yes, in space) from positions in mission control.
It's damned ridiculous of you to applaud the hard work that went into what you suggest may have been nothing but a hoax. Think about it.
@FantasticBob7000 I have thought about it , and yet you've still missed the whole point of the video. You see even people who deny the moon landings cannot deny the fact of all the work that went into building the rockets? How do we know this ? Well a simple tour to nasa centers will reveal this accomplisment . You just like to put all your eggs in one basket my good man . Nobody can deny the fact of all the work that wen into the missions thats what this video is for :D
@yourboycal Ok I hear ya. I just think the ridiculous hoax theory is given more credibility when serious people bring it up because uneducated people are vulnerable to disinformation. But that's just me. Sorry about my rude internet manners. I would have done the intro differently but this is a great series & I appreciate you posting it.
Governments do lie but other governments love to find those lies and broadcast them to the world. If the Russians, Chinese, etc., can steal high guarded secrets like nuclear weapon designs, they would have discovered any Moon hoax decades ago.
@ImagineHuZhou I dont know if i would call it stealing high guarded secrets , i would call it sold without public knowledge then slap "stolen" to cover there tracks and blame the system. The russians chinese benifit greatly from u.s economy and u.s technology it would be economic suicide to go against mr.powerhouse usa =)
Sending up more vehicles with camera won't prove anything to the hardcore hoaxtards. They'll just say you faked that, too. Like I said, just ignore them.
I assure you with the skeptical critics , sending up a rover would be just the thing needed . You see once we skeptics can confirm the moon landing sites with a rover with a unedited live hd feed , you will see alot of the skeptics will join the argument that we did land on the moon and support the cause even more . You will see many of the hardcore ones also drop in numbers , as then the evidence is truly overwelming =) You can even ask the skeptics to set up the conditions for the rover ;)
@Rob260259 Well there were alot of "hoaxtards" who cried out no weapons of mass destruction long before it was confirmed that there were none. But those people were brushed off as kooks. But once it was confirmed those people werent even acknowledged . They treated it as "opps intelliigence failure" sorry iraq didnt mean to invade illegally . Now if you ask me thats one big boo boo espically on the billion dollar budgets they have
@Rob260259 WMD conspiracy ? is still going im not sure what you mean "last" watergate? that is stil continued . You see those events are only branches of the root of the problem . There just confirmed now thats all , but that doesnt end the conspiracy . Conspiracy theories are not a house of cards you pull one out they all fall =p. You've got alot of negative views against them eh . thats to bad
As far as Apollo concerns, yes. I think moonhoaxers are driven by some kind of mental illness. It is not the need for truth that drives these people, it is ignorance, arrogance and conceit.
@Rob260259 "some kind of mental illness" yes when someone doesnt agree with you point to mental illness thats silly and baseless . There is plenty of motive to want to fake the landings. There is the history of government lies , there is the con man nixon in charge while it happened, there is the 700 boxes of data missing . Im sorry but when you look at all theese "coincidences" it points to a pattern you cant blame them
@Rob260259 Those people are only reputable because they know when to keep there mouths shut and not to worry. It would be carrerr suicide to come out with any information if at all. I can understand that . The proof ? THe movie expelled and theory of evolution shows how dangerous it is to go against the mainstream accepted offical storys. Whats a millions peaices of paper on earth have to do with something thousands of miles away?
what about those two Dutch petrochemists that found out about the fake Moonrock the US Ambassador gave tot the former Dutch PM, as a show-off? Were they killed? Were they bankrupted?
So you think all those scientists are shut up by NASA. Yeah. Sure.
@Rob260259 Well everyone scientists is differnt. Everyone has there own philsoophical views of life and whats truth and not . Everyone has there own set of principals values morals ethics empthy etc. It all depends on who the person is , what hes thinking , and how easily hes influneced by greed , carrer and bribes etc. I dont think nasa shut them up . i woulndt tel em
Ethics, morals and values are inherently subjective. You're fully entitled to your own opinions about them even if they completely differ with mine.
But you are NOT entitled to your own FACTS - and facts are what science is about.
E.g., any personal opinion you (or I) may have about gravity is worthless. Empirical evidence, not opinions, is the foundation of science. Apollo is a documented historical fact and denying Apollo, like denying the Holocaust, is simply incorrect.
That's nonsense. Why is it "career suicide" to publicly claim that the Apollo moon landings were faked or that evolution is false?
Because making such claims in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is to proclaim oneself a crackpot. And the career opportunities for self-proclaimed crackpots in the sciences are limited, and quite properly so.
@ApolloWasReal hehe because if you go against mainstream consences your job is on the line. hey dont take my word for it . Just watch expelled and see how scientists lose there jobs just for bringing it up . You either go with the grain or against it , if you want respect in the community . if you want funding for your research , or a new wing for your college. Nobody is saying anything about false, the point is if you go against the grain there are high chances of losing your job
@ApolloWasReal hehe words like crackpots show me ignorance and arrogrance =) Its the differnt between me and you . One is open minded , one is one track minded . I understand your point of view regarding the "crackpots" but my heart doesnt allow me to close them off like that . I rather everyone work together without the fear of being called a crack pot just because you dont agree or have questions about certain things.
@yourboycal Believe me, "crackpot" is a word I don't use very often. I don't want it to lose its impact.
Open mindedness stops being a positive trait when it causes you to accept utter nonsense unsupported by any evidence. Indeed, mountains of solid evidence flatly contradict the so-called Apollo "hoax theory".
Or, as the saying goes, it's good to be open minded, but not so open minded that your brains fall out.
@ApolloWasReal "Open mindedness stops being a positive trait when it causes you to accept utter nonsense"
Open mindeness means your open to listiening to all the ideas. Open minded means not accepting yet but taking into consideration. As soon as you said accept utter nonsense, you've stepped out of open mind my good man =)
No. Open mindedness doesn't mean "listening to all the ideas" yet again when you've already heard them all countless times; when they're utterly unsupported by the evidence; and when they aren't consistent with the laws of physics or even with themselves.
Take a closer look at these "ideas" and you'll find that they come from a small but noisy band of people who don't let logic and the facts stand in their way. Their claims have been shot down many times but they just don't give up.
People often disagree, but very rarely would I cite mental illness as the reason. It can explain belief in the Apollo 'hoax', but most often the cause is simple ignorance of physics, math and the facts.
Only when someone clings to a delusion, repeatedly rejecting facts and reason, does mental illness becomes a reasonable explanation. Even then, simple dishonest greed (making money on hoax books, DVDs, etc) is still an alternative.
@ApolloWasReal I still listien to other side no matter how whacky it is. Just because i listien to there side does not mean i agree, it means i have an open mind and chose not to dismiss people or label them crack pots. Open minded is very rare , yet many many people site it . hippocrates . Lots of people call them selfs open minded but there actions reveal there deceptoin =)
@ApolloWasReal The problem comes down to who is in on the conspiracy , if its a local gang , or local mafia . or even interneational mafia . the government can step in and take action and find evidence even plant if they wished like we've seen many times over history. Now what happens when that super power government is the one in on the conspiracy ?and there in control of the "evidence" ?
No matter how powerful "they" are, "they" still can't change the laws of physics.
It's curious how the conspiracy theorists imbue NASA with awesome, almost mythological powers to perpetrate the hoax. It seems NASA can do almost anything - except actually land on the moon. Why is that so much more difficult?
@ApolloWasReal Your still going on about the hoax , seems like its struck a nerve with you . Why is it so hard to just keep an open mind about it and wait till 2018 ? untill we can verify it with crystal clear picture? You can debate till your face turns blue =) But the day is coming to verify . Just like the religous people and jesus coming back for there verification . Have patience my good man your jesus for nasa is coming =) lool
Yes, it has struck a nerve with me and many, many others. During Apollo I was a kid in my formative years, and it was one of the things that inspired me to become an engineer. I've been studying it closely since it was current events.
So whenever I encounter a hoaxer, or even someone sympathetic to them, it amazes me just how ignorant they are of physics, math and of the huge amount of freely available Apollo information.
I don't have to "keep an open mind and wait til 2018", thank you.
@ApolloWasReal When i was kid , apollo 13 was my everything in life. I love space i loved everything about the rocket ship , it was the only time i asked my father to go to the movies with me to watch it. Nothing else mattered to be except being an astraunut and going to the moon =D . I love everything about it . Hey you dont have to keep an open mind till 2018 , but no sense wasting life debating something that can be verifed in a few years =p
@ApolloWasReal I believe it ties back to the history of lies from the government. The motives involved in faking a moon landing. The consequences of failing to go to the moon , the shame of the russians beating them to it etc, its not one conspiracy fits all , i assure there are many differnt theories , but we have a nasty habbit of putting conspiracy theorists with other conspiracy theories like holocust, jfk, and bunching them in together as kooks. =p
I don't know what you mean by "putting conspiracy theorists together". There are many silly theories about various documented historical events. Apollo is just one, and probably the best documented.
Belief in one is often associated with belief in many others. That should tell you something about the rationality of those who never seem to meet a conspiracy theory they don't like.
@ApolloWasReal We tend to take a conspiracy theorists and link them to all the others . Thanks to the propaganda , like on the news when someone against the grain comes on they try and make them sound like the same ppl who deny holocust, who deny global warming etc. Now some do link all of them , but i know a few who dont subscribe to many of them and concentrate on just one.
@ApolloWasReal You have to realise , if we get my wish and have those 50+ hd camereas on and we get the whole mission a-z live HD streaming , alot of the denyers you see now will join you because of how self evident it will be then. Sure they will be hardcore deniers, but you must agree the numbers would dramitcally fall =). Alot of the deniers now will join you and help you reason with the hardcore ones ;).
@ApolloWasReal I chose to keep an open mind till then , because its something we can verify and make it so self evident the numbers will drop dramatically. Thats the beauty of things being self evident. Just like i can through an apple in the air and watch it hit the ground. =) Patience my good man.
@ApolloWasReal I am dissapointed in how NASA handled the hoax claims. which fuels the fire even more . If i was director of NASA I would've taken far differnt steps to regain the the trust of the few who disbelieve. To ignore them and call them quacks, gets us no where. We are all human beings , we all bleed and shit , we all have a heart , we all have emotions , just differnt points of view that seperates us . Im tired of it frankly
One can, in 20-20 hindsight, say that NASA should have treated the hoax claims differently. But I can't blame them, after having conducted the most thoroughly documented event in human history, for ignoring the hoaxheads as the crackpots as they are. I can understand their concern for not wanting to dignify the hoax claims with a response.
But our schools have failed to give many ordinary people the critical thinking skills they need to reject hoax BS, and that puts NASA in a tricky spot.
@ApolloWasReal after have conducted the most thoroughly documented event in human history , yes but then they turn around and lose 700+ boxes of data? An accident? Carelessness? or was it just so garbage we didnt even need it ? Things like this fuel the conspiracys . If i was a tax paying american and they lost data on such an important event i would be outraged.
@ApolloWasReal Wouldnt the government call out these hoaxers give them unlimited access to nasa archieves to find there evidence at the very least ? to prove there innocence? Its not like nasa even takes care of there archieves heane the 700+ boxes of apollo lost.? Whats the harm in looking through it so the hoaxers can get some closure? i see no harm?
You sound like you're fairly new to this whole Apollo hoax nonsense. Or at least you haven't been through it all a few times already. An enormous amount of Apollo technical documentation is still readily available; try the NASA Technical Reports Server and you'll be amazed at the level of detail.
Spend a few years studying all that stuff and then come back and tell us we should still listen to the hoaxheads.
@ApolloWasReal No not new , spent lots of hours checking out apollo hoax videos , talked to many about it , debated a few times. Not new at all . Just because i listien to them doesnt mean i have to accept there views i think thats what your confusing my good man. I've heard alot of krazy stories but doesnt mean i have to accept them i just keep it in the back of my mind . and listien either way =)
Spent lots of hours checking hoax videos? Your time would be much better spent reading the actual historical record and maybe re-reading your high school physics textbooks. I would suggest clavius org as an excellent resource for refuting every single hoax claim, most of which are quite old and all of which are solidly refuted.
I've found that hoax claims sometimes motivate people to learn real physics and the real history of Apollo. It's making lemons into lemonade.
@ApolloWasReal Yes i've been to clavius checked them out along with a few other debunking websites. I've spent alot of time on pro apollo and alot of time on anti apollo. These are just two small branches that i research among countless others in omnisciences mostly. and few other branches of life. Im very happy and so greatful of the information im allowed to learn , gives me goosebumps being so lucky to even be able to thanks to the internet
Precisely. As a kid I was always frustrated at having to get everything about Apollo filtered and dumbed down through the news media. But today, NASA has put practically every photograph, movie and document ever written about Apollo on the net, so there's no excuse for anyone to claim ignorance of the facts, or that they should still be "open minded" to the hoaxers. They have ready access to more than enough information to conclude that Apollo was real and the hoaxers are all wet.
@ApolloWasReal They have access to more then enough information to conclude that apollo was real? I would also say the same for the weapons of mass destruction in iraq which never exsisted. Billion dollar intelligence agency just couldnt figure it out ? Was it neglect.? They had plenty of information knowing iraq didnt have it , but they continued anyway. There was all the information there but what happened in the end? It meant nothing because it was a lie all along
You're not making sense. The NASA Technical Reports Server has a huge amount of technical documentation on Apollo. Over many years I've read and understood much of it. I've never had any reason whatsoever to doubt that what was being described did in fact work.
Yes, I'm an engineer. Yes, much of this stuff wouldn't make sense to the uninitiated. But it's still available, and it can be understood by anyone willing to make the effort.
@ApolloWasReal lol technical documentation for the average joe? Your right alot of it wouldnt make sense to just the average guy looking for some truth. If people didnt have jobs , a recession to get through , and childrean to feed im sure they would spend countless hours reserach apollo technical data. ooooooorrrrrr. We can just wait till 2018-2020 for the HD? I dont understand what your issue is with the simple solution? Pictures speak louder then words for the mass public my good man ,
My issue with the "simple solution" is that it won't do any good. The hoaxers are immune to evidence and reason, and they'll reject even a present-day expedition to an Apollo site as a fabrication.
I do strongly believe that NASA should carry the best possible cameras on every space mission, but for a different reason: to give us, the ones paying, the next best experience to actually being there.
@ApolloWasReal lol you have no hope ? you dont trust your fellow man ? I never said they would all be believers , i said the numbers would dramatically fall for the deniers. Do you agree or not? the numbers who dont believe now , will dramatically fall if i have my wish and its HD LIVE STREAMING. ? Yes or no ? Is that obviously not step one for dealing with hoaxers? Bring there numbers down ? =0
The numbers of hoaxers are already quite small. They're a very noisy bunch so it seems like there are more.
I'm much more concerned about people on the sidelines, like you, who aren't True Believers in the hoax theory but who lack the technical knowledge and critical thinking skills to immediately see the hoax theories for the utter nonsense that they are. History is full of examples of harmful delusions spreading from a few nutters to a general population that was otherwise healthy.
@ApolloWasReal For you the evidence is enough , thats fine , but some out there chose to be more skeptical and wait for more evidence. there is absoutley nothing wrong with that . It does not make them quacks, nuts jobs , or kooks. 2018 if nasa doesnt come out with excuses , and actually goes through with the HD camereas you will see the numbers of deniers drop dramatically. Or do you say it wont matter the numbers will stay even?
@ApolloWasReal History is full of examples of harmful delusions - yes and we must learn from them =) . That krazy guy sometimes gets it right and you cant over look that. If you treat all of them as nut jobs and quacks. Its the finest point of narrow closed mind right there. I chose to be neutral and that seems to be an issue with you. Because i understand why they think like that , and i understand why they want more evidence?
@ApolloWasReal "I am skeptical" does not simply equate to "I do not believe". To believe implies there is acknowledgment of the legitimacy of the evidence, and to disbelief implies otherwise.
"Believe" is not a good word choice. I don't "believe" the Apollo missions were real. Rather, I know they were real because of the solid evidence that supports that fact.
@yourboycal I assure you, nothing will happen in 2018 to stop the Apollo hoax conspiracy theories for good. Uninformed, angry people will still be repeating Kaysing's and Rene's claims in 2118.
@ApolloWasReal lol what am i speaking german or something here ? =p I said many times over and over , the number of hoaxers will dramatically fall. the few left who still believe in it will be far lower then where we are today . I made that very clear many times. I never said it would get rid of all of the deniers. I said the numbers will dramatically fall. =p . You'll see alot of deniers might come back to apologize =p
I understand you just fine. I'm just telling you that new proof won't make any difference because the hoaxers simply aren't about evidence and logic, they're about their own egos. My own theory is that they feel so threatened by their inability to understand how Apollo worked and so inferior to the many talented people who made it happen that they are compelled to deny that it even happened.
@ApolloWasReal There are many reasons why people who deny the apollo landings have. Its how they rationlize there beliefs in there head based on the evidence. Its not a house of cards take one out they all fall. Many reasons many passions many philisohpical views . An un-cut HD streaming live shot of the whole mission is more then enough , when they get on the moon and full hd 360 on the sky while there to even further show
@ApolloWasReal The old footage from previous trips were shitty due to lack of tech. yes the 16mm films showed good quality . But nothing like we have today . Today the kids demand HD to take anyting seriously lol , even when i watch youtube videos they demand HD! just like the moon once they get it in there HD they will be on your side helping you deal with the little remaining disbelievers =)
@ApolloWasReal Now when i make the youtube video asking nasa to make ad onation thing for it so theres no excuses this time . You better help spread it . Cuz if 2018 comes and we get no live HD feed. and many camereas or we get "lost data" or "lost transmission" middle of it , then sadly it might even increase the suspicion . or we get on the moon and all the camereas some how break loool
As I keep telling you, I'm all in favor of carrying the best cameras available to keep the taxpayers interested and involved in spaceflight. But I harbor no illusions about the hard-core hoaxers. Facts aren't the issue for them.
And if you're concerned about the general public that doesn't know better, there's no need to wait. You can start educating them RIGHT NOW with the mountains of information that Apollo returned. We don't need more pictures to "prove" what's already proven.
@ApolloWasReal Just like I saw a documentary about how Yuri Gagarin was fake! I mean wtf! everything in the space race Was REAL. also America won by going to the moon multiple times and We won by achieving more, in the end we both won and should work together to get to mars and beyond because with todays economy it's getting harder by one nation...
@TonyFirelli I agree, it would be great if we could get a truly meaningful international space program going that involved actual exploration of other solar system bodies, not just whizzing around the earth in a low orbit.
@ApolloWasReal Check out this video , it sickens me how "elected" leaders can just lie without an atom of shame right to our faces. It distrubs me knowing such things exist in trusted insitutions. Its unaccetable. How can you expect a law obiding public when the law enforcers arent even doing it . lol . We are all products of our enviroment , Public needs good honet role models , can you blame alot of deniers after the history of lies we've been fed?
@ApolloWasReal If you allow two criminals to go without being charged for war crimes , why would you want to charge nasa with lying to the public? When one could rat out the other ? Thats why it strikes a nerve with alot of people. If you can so easily let a confirmed lie go without punishmed , why would you care about apollo? Why would the government expose it self? they wouldnt. it would be national shame
What are you talking about? I believe Bush, Cheney et al are genuine war criminals who should be investigated and prosecuted.
Apollo-era NASA, on the other hand, was a large number of dedicated, hard working and talented people who accomplished exactly what they set out to do: landing men on the moon and returning them to the earth. Although the original motive was simply to beat the Russians, they made big contributions to science and technology. Why should I prosecute them? They're heroes.
@ApolloWasReal Well prosecuting people will be dealt with IF and after it is discovered that apollo was a hoax. No need to talk about who is to be accountable now , when we havnt even passed the verification stage yet. Those things comes after. As of right now those men are hero's heance this series i posted up on my page dedicated a thank you to all those great men and women . =) I know the hard work it takes
You're not making sense. You say it's a shame so many people think Apollo was a hoax. Then you insist on additional proof, saying it's not verified. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.
The Apollo missions are among the best documented events in human history. Everyone accepts this but a small noisy band who allege a hoax for reasons not completely understood. Additional photography won't shut them up. The best we can do is explain the existing record for those who will listen.
@ApolloWasReal If its just a small noisy band then why are you getting so worked up over it ? Just dismiss them and go on your merry little way =) But for me i understand why they think its a hoax , i can see there point of view this is what empthy is . I dont see them as kooks or nuts , i see them as human beings with differnt points of views . You dont need to get so worked up about it if its just a small fraction of the people my good man =)
@ApolloWasReal This is why i stay neutral , the governmetns history of CONFIRMED lies, i wouldnt believe them if they told me this was an apple. i would ask for a lab analysis lol. The hoaxers sure some of there claims are out of this world but i can understand how they reach those conclusions. There is limited logic in debating what happened back then when the verification is only years away =D
WMD in Iraq is a red herring. Yes, there's plenty of reason to believe that Bush/Cheney manufactured those claims to justify a pre-existing desire to invade Iraq. That's probably a real conspiracy that should be blown wide open.
But it has nothing to do with Apollo, for which huge amounts of evidence is available to the public for independent study, analysis and verification. The Iraq "intel", on the other hand, was never published.
@ApolloWasReal There was no iraq intel to publish. All there findings and the un securiuty council and other agencies all concluded there was no weapons. If all the reports point to no weapons yet they look the american public in the eye and just lie staright out , whats that tell you about the integrity of government? Tell me why are they pardoned by obama? why not charge these men for war crimes? with apollo we had who as president at the time ?
You're quite right, I think it's a travesty that Bush & Cheney haven't been prosecuted for war crimes, including waging aggressive war.
But again, that has absolutely nothing to do with Apollo. We have far more to go on than merely a statement by the President that the missions were real. We have a huge amount of photography and science data. We have the people who did it. We have the technical documentation for their machinery and systems. It's the best documented event in history.
@ApolloWasReal It goes to show you when there is a "motive" how easily the government can just lie to the people. Then after its confirmed they lie instead of being punished they get a library named after them lol. Another example is Wall Street and there collapse . many economists predicted this would happen long long before it did . But of course they were dismissed with there warnings of the future lol. Nobody cares for truth my good man
@ApolloWasReal The government gave us plenty of illustrations pictures statements about iraq's weapons, but there were people who cried out conspiracy they dont have it , long before . But they got dismissed as kooks, turns out they were right all along . Scurvey was another example of ignorance . there were plenty who cried vitimen c but they let so many die because they refuse to accept it as somethign that simple . many more examples =p
@ApolloWasReal I'lll telll you one thing. I couldnt live with my self if i preached something to people , then it turns out i was dead wrong. I couldn't mislead people like that . I would feel so bad , so ashamed , so dissapointed . Thats why i stay neutral till i know without a shadow of a doubt. This and many other issues i chose neutrality , its the calosophy way =)
Hey, we certainly agree on the badness of spreading incorrect information. And that's what I find so inexplicable about the hoaxers; their need for attention seems to trump all.
However, I have no reasonable doubt that the Apollo missions were completely genuine and absolutely no problem taking that position publicly.
For all I know my brain is sitting in a vat, connected to a computer that simulates the universe for me. That's about as likely as Apollo being fake. It's a chance I'll take.
@ApolloWasReal brain sitting in a vat connected to a computer that simulates the universe for me. Man i wish it was like that i would asked to be unplugged. I dont like this earth with the humans that infest it today . Everyone fighting each other , everyone lying to each other , everyone in it for self intrest , so much greed corruption , misinformation , deception , opression , that if any other species comes to earth first time they would be disgusted as i would too
@ApolloWasReal Ignoring the hoaxers , ignoring there claims , calling them quacks , crying 2+2 = 5 mentality will get us no where , It will keep us divided , it will keep us seperated , it will keep us , us vs them. Its stupid , silly , and as intelligent humans we should not act childish about this . There are many things i would do if i was president to address these hoax claims . To ignore them fuels the fire.
@ApolloWasReal But it doesnt matter , we can sit here argue the logistics of it back and forth till our faces turn blue. The point is we are going back 2018-2020 and this time we will demand the HD 50+ camereas , the public will even donate money so nasa has ZERO excuses this timei for lost data , crappy pictures , blurry video , no stars from moon etc.. No more excuses that feed the conspiracy theorists. 2018 will be the end or start :o
@yourboycal I'd love to see us go back to the moon again, this time with HDTV and high resolution digital still cameras. But if the mountains of Apollo documentation weren't enough to convince the deniers that we've been there, then neither will this.
@ApolloWasReal Hey dont worry buddy , if i get my wish and we have 50+ hd tv camereas , on the space shuttle , with live streaming. I will work night and day to convince the deniers =) Because i need to verify it for my self first before i go preaching it you know. 2018 if i get my wish and all those cameres. i'll be more excited the a fat kid in a candy store. Then finally we can all be proud together =)
@Rob260259 "it is ignorance , arrogance and conceit"
Yes but for both sides. Your looking at the byproduct of a bigger problem . Which is information . Misinformation disinformation is the only barrier seperating reason and understanding. I can understand both sides of the argument and why they reach those conclusions.
Many issues of ethics and values have arguments on both sides. Even when I strongly prefer one I can often still appreciate the other.
This isn't one of them. When one person says 2+2=4 and another says 2+2=5, only someone trying to hide their ignorance of math will say that each side has a point. When it comes to facts rather than personal values, absolute truth and falsity do exist.
And the facts are all on the side of Apollo having been completely genuine.
@Rob260259 When you actually sit down look at the confirmed lies of the u.s government through history , you cant really blame people for being skeptical when they come out and tell us oh we went to the moon =p . Its like oh yea ? i'd love to buy an island from you lol. Truth is the confirmed lies of the u.s government would make me be ashamed to call my self american. espically if america is nothing but deception sold as democracy
Yes, I can't blame people. But the Moonlandings only were presented by a government. But they were confirmed and acknowledged by thousands of engineers, scientists, geochemists, physicists, geologists, astronomers and astronauts from across the globe. The evidence of Apollo has been in the public domain for more than 40 years now.
@Rob260259 Well 2018-2020 we are returning to the moon. this time we will demand HD camereas LIVE FEED online for the world to see and save the mission on there pc's. Unlike nasa which confirms 700 + boxes of lost data. Shame so many careless people work there and lose such important data. If it was lost on purpose or accident who cares. My focus is on 2018 with HD camereas every inch of that ship. I will personally donate money to help fund for extra camereas
Why do you think HD cameras on the moon will resolve the issue for the hoaxers? Apollo returned thousands of 70mm Hasselblad images with much better resolution than HDTV (1920x1080). They did it when Photoshop didn't exist. Yet the hoaxheads wave their hands and scream "fake!" Why wouldn't they do the same for HDTV?
You could take them there and they'd claim you planted the experience in their brains a la "Total Recall". There's no satisfying a deluded, irrational person.
@ApolloWasReal Because of the generation gap. Alot of deniers werent even born at that time =) They werent even there , so naturally they will dismiss the video/picture back then espically if they dont believe it happened. They want to see it for there own eyes, they dont want the 100's of excuses nasa gives for the shitty quality. Its that simple. No more excuses 2018. 50+ HD camereas with LIVE streaming so everyone can watch on there pc. You will see the numbers of deniers dramatically drop,
Well, World War II ended before I was born, but I don't claim that the holocaust was a hoax, for example. The historical record is too overwhelming.
I think the real cause of Apollo denial is the failure of our educational system not only to teach science and math, but also critical thinking -- how to apply what you learn in school to the real world.
As I said, we already have excellent photographic documentation of Apollo. Some people will continue to reject everything.
@ApolloWasReal The pictures /video for apollo are not excellent , please dont exaggerate . The 16mm was good quality but far from HD. Im not sure you understand what i mean by HD quality , you should google imax space station to see the quality i would like for the moon mission . The crisp clean picture. I want a camerea for every possible angle , light , surface, filter, distance, color etc.
@ApolloWasReal Events that happen on earth are much easier to verify then events that happen many thousands of miles away . I can ask uncle bob about ww2 , or aunt jamine about it , or even that old guy down the street , or the vetrans . But how many of those same people went to the moon ? How many of them just got there information from the usual sources? Its one thing to live through it , its another to hear about it
@ApolloWasReal Why wouldnt they do the same for HDTV? Because this time it will be live. this time it will be streaming . This time no nasa filters . This time every angle of that ship will have cameras with differnt angels , to see every inch of space while the mission happens all the way to the moon. If nasa can do that i assure the numbers of hoaxers will dramatically fall. Its that simple. Seeing is believing. espically in HD ;)
@ApolloWasReal Hey you should subscribe im gonna make a video to plea with nasa to open up a public donation account so we can donate money for all those HD camereas. i really want no excuses from nasa as to why they didnt have all the cameras set up thsi time =*(. I really wanna bring the hoaxers and the believers together, this is the only way to droppen the numbers. but i need nasa's help . So when i make the video please help spread <3
Sure, by all means be skeptical of the US government. Indeed there's plenty of reason to be. I sure am. Remember that Vietnam and Watergate also happened around the time of Apollo.
But distrust has to give way to facts supported by mountains of evidence. And Apollo is an admittedly unusual case of the US government actually doing something positive even if it was for the wrong reasons.
I cant ignore them , they are human beings , with there own views , they have thoughts and free expression. Landing on the moon is such a big deal for man kind , how can we actually go living life with many many doubters not just a few but many. We have to clear it up once and for all for them . We could do this 30 years ago , but the next trip untill 2018-2020? lool? Surley the technology is much more advanced and easier now? Why so long to return when theres possiblitiy of water?
It's all about BUDGET. Thirty years ago we had no internet and we had less hoaxheaded conspiracy theorists. Today, with a little Google, anyone can be an engineer, scientist, detective, journalist, photographer, aerodynamicsspecialist, you name it. At least, that is what they think. They think they are like heroes and 'truthfinders'.
@Rob260259 Well you could also argue , that 30 years ago with no internet. The only way to get information was 1)news b)parents c)friends d) school. Very limited and if you were to spread a lie it wouldnt be to hard to control those medias of information. Thanks to the internet it adds e) which allows everyone to connect share information instantly. There pros and cons both side
Well, you could also argue, that today we are in the waning years of a new millenium and the information undertow is staggering. From Google to Twitter and all between. 16-29 year-olds who have no reference for the pre-Internet surf and search their 'truth' with the longest time spent on a site being the length of a Germaine Dupree song.
@Rob260259 Atleast there learning about history thanks to the internet. Atleast there taking intrest even if its in conspiracy theories , truth is a matter of preception . Evidence is a matter of the observer . Would you rather every one shut up and accept the government version without questioning it ? This is hitlers germany ? I welcome open minds, i welcome people who want to learn and reserach . Or should i shut up and continue to believe iraqs weapons of mass destruction?
If something happened 10 years ago, it's ancient history. If it's 40 years, it's the Stone Age. Much has changed, some things stay the same. The only thing that's really changed is the speed at which we can all say Fuck You to one another!
@Rob260259 We should learn from the mistakes of history , we should thrive on the achievments. if there are skeptical people we should address there claims and concerns not dismiss them as kooks. Everyone can be happy if we stop the "im smart your stupid stfu " mentality . or the " i reserached it , its fake" also mentality both sides have there negatives , we need to filter out the bad and filter in the good of both sides
Moonhoax conspiracists are bad, very bad. They are insulting 400,000 dedicated workers that took part in Apollo. The moonlandings were the result of damn good engineering and a lot, a very lot of courage.
@Rob260259 "They are insulting 400,00 dedicated workers that took part" Yes i agree , thats why i had this video put up as a thank you to those people. Which is even more reason that there should be atleast 50 HD camereas this time. so the world can verify without a shadow of a doubt. No more grainy pics , no more lost boxes , no more sun reflects this , no more stars missing etc. Just truth simple HD pics
@Rob260259 "You can ask for 100 HD camera's ; the real hoaxhead will stick to his faith"
I know you were going to say this , thats why i made it clear. There will be little deniers left after the 2018 mission. The deniers who convert would fight on your side and deal with those little ones left. After 2018 and all that online hd streaming of the mission you will understand what i mean =)
@Rob260259 There is no point arguing it now. we will just wait till 2018-2020 and all our questions will be taken care of with the super HD quality live feed we will get :D to see the whole trip a-z . The evidence will then speak for it self ;)
@Rob260259 Yes nice talking to you aswell . It breaks my heart that we have so many people who dont believe it . We should all be proud of such an amazing achievment together. If i was government i would do everything in my power to earn the publics trust back. I cant wait till 2018 for the return trip :D I really hope we have all those cameras so the world can watch and experince together online in HD. Where it will leave no shadow of a doubt in everyones hearts :D
@Rob260259 Im gonna make a video that if NASA needs extra funding for those 50 HD camereas and online feed,. That they should make a donation account and i know thousands of people will donate money just to have these special camereas just so there is ZERO excuses this time. Zero videos lost , because this time it will be ONLINE LIVE FEED> That anyone in the world can log into and watch it LIVE> Every second
@Rob260259 I assure you alot of people who deny moon landing now will turn humble when that happens. You will see alot of people who deny it will now accept it as self evident. You will see alot of the deniers start to be believers and actually go and debate the little few who will be left deniers. You will see more people be happy and patriotic about the moon landings =) Just time my friend this will all be dealt with
@Rob260259 The moon landings we should all be proud of together. Given the history of confirmed lies the government has given us + corrupt nixon in charge while it happen you cant blame some americans to be skeptical. 2018 will clear all that up :D when we get to see the moon landing from a-z all live on HD cameras where the world can see , so it leaves zero doubt that we went =) and even confirming the previous ones!
Why would you even acknowledge the hoaxtards by mentioning a fake in the description? This video is lost on any moron who think the landings were fake, they are useless fucktards of no consequence.
The only hoaxer I met in real life I did punch. It was worth the 3 days in jail. The look on his face... the moment reality sat in that, the truth hurts, and my fist hurts even more. These people don't live in the world of reality. I find that 5 or 6 right crosses to the face snaps them right back too it.
Thats real nice , cant beat someone with reason and logic so you use violence , great role model you are , For some reason i dont wish there were more people like you . The guy you did punch in the face i hope he forgives you and your ignorance . Conspiracy theorys need facts to make a theory , just like theory of evolution both theorys , because one guy took the time to look into it , while you spoke out your ass gives you no right to use violence you ape =p
@yourboycal It isn't about that at all. I feel, why should I waste my time?
You can go ahead and debate them if you want, but I was blessed with a 6'1" 230lb body, and I intend to put it to good use. If debating and logic were going to work, they wouldn't buy into that hoax shit anyway.
You're just a thug, no better than any hoaxtard. If you don't like to argue, walk away like an adult. Punching someone instead of presenting facts only gives them more credibility.
@RCAvhstape Really? I guess that makes Buzz Aldrin a simple thug then, since he gave one a sock to the jaw. At some point it's better just to get your point across quickly, and fist in the face is just as effective as any fact to such low intelligence. It's not shameful to take the conversation to their level for them. It's all some can understand.
Using violence for someone expressing there views tsk tsk . Is this hitlers germany? =p I pray to god your not around any kids , your not stable for society , you cant handle a little critisim , you mask your pain with violence sad really but hey whatever floats your boat =p
Because the government has a history of confirmed lies. I can point them out if you wish , we've been lied to over and over and over and over again , all the lies the government has accumilated over the centurys is enough to make there creadiblity shit =p I dont blame people for thinking its faked , all the motives are there for a faked landing, its just good to keep an open mind . Governments care about continuity of government not whats truth or lies =)
Yes, the government lies a lot, I agree. But lying about a moon landing and keeping it secret for four decades is harder than just building a rocket and flying to the moon. Any engineer who does the math can tell you that with enough money, this was totally credible. And NASA had unlimited money in the 60s. And of course, if NASA had faked this, the USSR would have blown the whistle, since it was obvious that the radio signals from Neil Armstrong were coming from the Sea of Tranquility.
Just one way to end this once and for all , is to send up a rover up there with a HD camerea that the whole world can see live, the whole trip to the moon the whole landing of the rover ,a nd the driving around to differnt landing cites to see all the equipment left , that would put er all to sleep :p now alot of americans belive it was faked surley this would justify the cost , once and for all , like this should be a great milestone for humanity and shouldnt be cloudy like it is now
The question of IF we got to the moon is NOT up in the air. There is overwhelming evidence that we put 12 men on the moon before the Apollo mission was scrubbed. Reflectors positioned on the lunar surface, moon rock brought back, photo and film, telemetry data, radar, radio, eyewitness accounts. Enemies watched us do it. People died doing it.
did i not make it very clear in the comments this isnt about if we went or not , this is for all the hard work and dedication put forth by men and women , its an appreciation video for them ,, and you had to start up the moon talks lol , you know sometimes u can leave the hate in the closet , and its okay to come together and appreciate something together =) open up !
yourlocalboy, if it was faked, doesn't that at the very least "take all of the edge off" the whole thing?
4:33: "Verner Von Braun wasn't famous for being a bigwig rocket scientist nor his association with Adolf Hitler, nor for his cockiness, but for simply being on TV.
its an appreciation video for all the hard work, the testing , the lives lost , the sweat pored , all to least in our minds try to get to the moon , if we got there or not is still up in there air , but for the events leading up to it ,, it must be appreciated =)
fake we never went to the moon
bushbasher46 1 month ago
What faked moon landings? They were fucking real. What a fucking puts. You post a video about the hardware that took us there then sugest it could have been a hoax. Are you fucking retarded?
Polybun 8 months ago in playlist Space - Apollo
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@Polybun ur the retard fool we never went to the moon
bushbasher46 1 month ago
the japanese willing to sacrifice themself for suicide missions, should put them on number 1 position for truly bold and meaningful space exploration!!
BuddhaMaster84 1 year ago
@yourboycal Dude you just posted a video series on how the moon hardware was designed and built, yet you decide to suggest it was all a hoax anyway?
What the hell is wrong with you?
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago 16
@FantasticBob7000 Captain Obvious to the rescue. I did not want this to turn into a debate about the moon landing. Thats why i made it clear in the info section . Why don't think before you hit post? Everything that happened after the rockets is beyond the point. Everything that lead up to the events in question had alot of people working very hard to build these machines. Thats what the series is about appreciation of the many people who dedicate so much time and effort into it .
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal If that's your idea of Captain Obvious then you've got issues. You turned it into a hoax debate by bringing it up. The people who built the hardware didn't stop their work once the rockets were off the pad. Guys like Thomas J. Kelly and the rest participated in the flight tests (yes, in space) from positions in mission control.
It's damned ridiculous of you to applaud the hard work that went into what you suggest may have been nothing but a hoax. Think about it.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago 6
@FantasticBob7000 I have thought about it , and yet you've still missed the whole point of the video. You see even people who deny the moon landings cannot deny the fact of all the work that went into building the rockets? How do we know this ? Well a simple tour to nasa centers will reveal this accomplisment . You just like to put all your eggs in one basket my good man . Nobody can deny the fact of all the work that wen into the missions thats what this video is for :D
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal Ok I hear ya. I just think the ridiculous hoax theory is given more credibility when serious people bring it up because uneducated people are vulnerable to disinformation. But that's just me. Sorry about my rude internet manners. I would have done the intro differently but this is a great series & I appreciate you posting it.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago 5
@FantasticBob7000 :D np pal thank you for the kind words.
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal well you did say ¨weather you believe the moon landings or not is up to you¨
this is not a matter of fate its about hard evidence and facts
nNorthWestern 1 month ago
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if he suggests it was a hoax, he is fully right.
It was a hoax, absolutely no doubt.
The computer of Apollo is completely delirious, insane, a total joke.
hunchbacked 4 months ago
Wernher von Braun only changed his mind because he was afraid of losing a big argument before NASA administration to a nobody.
ijunkie 1 year ago
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The Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio. The evidence is crushing. Here's a link to a partial summary of it.
3W's (dot) brainsturbator (dot) com/forums/viewthread/1335/
(check link for gaps)
Also, do a YouTube search on "MarsFaker".
FatFreddy88 1 year ago
It's been really nice talking to you. So unless you have any more bright words of wisdom, have a nice day.
Rob260259 1 year ago
Governments do lie but other governments love to find those lies and broadcast them to the world. If the Russians, Chinese, etc., can steal high guarded secrets like nuclear weapon designs, they would have discovered any Moon hoax decades ago.
ImagineHuZhou 1 year ago
@ImagineHuZhou I dont know if i would call it stealing high guarded secrets , i would call it sold without public knowledge then slap "stolen" to cover there tracks and blame the system. The russians chinese benifit greatly from u.s economy and u.s technology it would be economic suicide to go against mr.powerhouse usa =)
yourboycal 1 year ago
Sending up more vehicles with camera won't prove anything to the hardcore hoaxtards. They'll just say you faked that, too. Like I said, just ignore them.
RCAvhstape 1 year ago
I assure you with the skeptical critics , sending up a rover would be just the thing needed . You see once we skeptics can confirm the moon landing sites with a rover with a unedited live hd feed , you will see alot of the skeptics will join the argument that we did land on the moon and support the cause even more . You will see many of the hardcore ones also drop in numbers , as then the evidence is truly overwelming =) You can even ask the skeptics to set up the conditions for the rover ;)
yourboycal 1 year ago
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Most of the hoaxheads will shout "fake!" even when standing on the Moon, next to a descent stage of the LM.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 Well there were alot of "hoaxtards" who cried out no weapons of mass destruction long before it was confirmed that there were none. But those people were brushed off as kooks. But once it was confirmed those people werent even acknowledged . They treated it as "opps intelliigence failure" sorry iraq didnt mean to invade illegally . Now if you ask me thats one big boo boo espically on the billion dollar budgets they have
yourboycal 1 year ago
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And tell me, how long did that WMD 'conspiracy' last? How long lasted the Watergate 'conspiracy'? How long lasted the 'Lewinsky-conspiracy'?
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 WMD conspiracy ? is still going im not sure what you mean "last" watergate? that is stil continued . You see those events are only branches of the root of the problem . There just confirmed now thats all , but that doesnt end the conspiracy . Conspiracy theories are not a house of cards you pull one out they all fall =p. You've got alot of negative views against them eh . thats to bad
yourboycal 1 year ago
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"You've got alot of negative views against them"
As far as Apollo concerns, yes. I think moonhoaxers are driven by some kind of mental illness. It is not the need for truth that drives these people, it is ignorance, arrogance and conceit.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 "some kind of mental illness" yes when someone doesnt agree with you point to mental illness thats silly and baseless . There is plenty of motive to want to fake the landings. There is the history of government lies , there is the con man nixon in charge while it happened, there is the 700 boxes of data missing . Im sorry but when you look at all theese "coincidences" it points to a pattern you cant blame them
yourboycal 1 year ago
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That is all? Please provide us with some names of reputable scientists or Phd engineers that support this ridiculous claim of a moonhoax.
There are millions of documented pages on the Apollo program in many, many archives.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 Those people are only reputable because they know when to keep there mouths shut and not to worry. It would be carrerr suicide to come out with any information if at all. I can understand that . The proof ? THe movie expelled and theory of evolution shows how dangerous it is to go against the mainstream accepted offical storys. Whats a millions peaices of paper on earth have to do with something thousands of miles away?
yourboycal 1 year ago
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"career suicide"..?
what about those two Dutch petrochemists that found out about the fake Moonrock the US Ambassador gave tot the former Dutch PM, as a show-off? Were they killed? Were they bankrupted?
So you think all those scientists are shut up by NASA. Yeah. Sure.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 Well everyone scientists is differnt. Everyone has there own philsoophical views of life and whats truth and not . Everyone has there own set of principals values morals ethics empthy etc. It all depends on who the person is , what hes thinking , and how easily hes influneced by greed , carrer and bribes etc. I dont think nasa shut them up . i woulndt tel em
yourboycal 1 year ago
Ethics, morals and values are inherently subjective. You're fully entitled to your own opinions about them even if they completely differ with mine.
But you are NOT entitled to your own FACTS - and facts are what science is about.
E.g., any personal opinion you (or I) may have about gravity is worthless. Empirical evidence, not opinions, is the foundation of science. Apollo is a documented historical fact and denying Apollo, like denying the Holocaust, is simply incorrect.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
That's nonsense. Why is it "career suicide" to publicly claim that the Apollo moon landings were faked or that evolution is false?
Because making such claims in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is to proclaim oneself a crackpot. And the career opportunities for self-proclaimed crackpots in the sciences are limited, and quite properly so.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal hehe because if you go against mainstream consences your job is on the line. hey dont take my word for it . Just watch expelled and see how scientists lose there jobs just for bringing it up . You either go with the grain or against it , if you want respect in the community . if you want funding for your research , or a new wing for your college. Nobody is saying anything about false, the point is if you go against the grain there are high chances of losing your job
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal hehe words like crackpots show me ignorance and arrogrance =) Its the differnt between me and you . One is open minded , one is one track minded . I understand your point of view regarding the "crackpots" but my heart doesnt allow me to close them off like that . I rather everyone work together without the fear of being called a crack pot just because you dont agree or have questions about certain things.
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal Believe me, "crackpot" is a word I don't use very often. I don't want it to lose its impact.
Open mindedness stops being a positive trait when it causes you to accept utter nonsense unsupported by any evidence. Indeed, mountains of solid evidence flatly contradict the so-called Apollo "hoax theory".
Or, as the saying goes, it's good to be open minded, but not so open minded that your brains fall out.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal "Open mindedness stops being a positive trait when it causes you to accept utter nonsense"
Open mindeness means your open to listiening to all the ideas. Open minded means not accepting yet but taking into consideration. As soon as you said accept utter nonsense, you've stepped out of open mind my good man =)
yourboycal 1 year ago
No. Open mindedness doesn't mean "listening to all the ideas" yet again when you've already heard them all countless times; when they're utterly unsupported by the evidence; and when they aren't consistent with the laws of physics or even with themselves.
Take a closer look at these "ideas" and you'll find that they come from a small but noisy band of people who don't let logic and the facts stand in their way. Their claims have been shot down many times but they just don't give up.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
People often disagree, but very rarely would I cite mental illness as the reason. It can explain belief in the Apollo 'hoax', but most often the cause is simple ignorance of physics, math and the facts.
Only when someone clings to a delusion, repeatedly rejecting facts and reason, does mental illness becomes a reasonable explanation. Even then, simple dishonest greed (making money on hoax books, DVDs, etc) is still an alternative.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal I still listien to other side no matter how whacky it is. Just because i listien to there side does not mean i agree, it means i have an open mind and chose not to dismiss people or label them crack pots. Open minded is very rare , yet many many people site it . hippocrates . Lots of people call them selfs open minded but there actions reveal there deceptoin =)
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal The problem comes down to who is in on the conspiracy , if its a local gang , or local mafia . or even interneational mafia . the government can step in and take action and find evidence even plant if they wished like we've seen many times over history. Now what happens when that super power government is the one in on the conspiracy ?and there in control of the "evidence" ?
yourboycal 1 year ago
No matter how powerful "they" are, "they" still can't change the laws of physics.
It's curious how the conspiracy theorists imbue NASA with awesome, almost mythological powers to perpetrate the hoax. It seems NASA can do almost anything - except actually land on the moon. Why is that so much more difficult?
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Your still going on about the hoax , seems like its struck a nerve with you . Why is it so hard to just keep an open mind about it and wait till 2018 ? untill we can verify it with crystal clear picture? You can debate till your face turns blue =) But the day is coming to verify . Just like the religous people and jesus coming back for there verification . Have patience my good man your jesus for nasa is coming =) lool
yourboycal 1 year ago
Yes, it has struck a nerve with me and many, many others. During Apollo I was a kid in my formative years, and it was one of the things that inspired me to become an engineer. I've been studying it closely since it was current events.
So whenever I encounter a hoaxer, or even someone sympathetic to them, it amazes me just how ignorant they are of physics, math and of the huge amount of freely available Apollo information.
I don't have to "keep an open mind and wait til 2018", thank you.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal When i was kid , apollo 13 was my everything in life. I love space i loved everything about the rocket ship , it was the only time i asked my father to go to the movies with me to watch it. Nothing else mattered to be except being an astraunut and going to the moon =D . I love everything about it . Hey you dont have to keep an open mind till 2018 , but no sense wasting life debating something that can be verifed in a few years =p
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal I believe it ties back to the history of lies from the government. The motives involved in faking a moon landing. The consequences of failing to go to the moon , the shame of the russians beating them to it etc, its not one conspiracy fits all , i assure there are many differnt theories , but we have a nasty habbit of putting conspiracy theorists with other conspiracy theories like holocust, jfk, and bunching them in together as kooks. =p
yourboycal 1 year ago
I don't know what you mean by "putting conspiracy theorists together". There are many silly theories about various documented historical events. Apollo is just one, and probably the best documented.
Belief in one is often associated with belief in many others. That should tell you something about the rationality of those who never seem to meet a conspiracy theory they don't like.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago 5
@ApolloWasReal We tend to take a conspiracy theorists and link them to all the others . Thanks to the propaganda , like on the news when someone against the grain comes on they try and make them sound like the same ppl who deny holocust, who deny global warming etc. Now some do link all of them , but i know a few who dont subscribe to many of them and concentrate on just one.
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal You have to realise , if we get my wish and have those 50+ hd camereas on and we get the whole mission a-z live HD streaming , alot of the denyers you see now will join you because of how self evident it will be then. Sure they will be hardcore deniers, but you must agree the numbers would dramitcally fall =). Alot of the deniers now will join you and help you reason with the hardcore ones ;).
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal I chose to keep an open mind till then , because its something we can verify and make it so self evident the numbers will drop dramatically. Thats the beauty of things being self evident. Just like i can through an apple in the air and watch it hit the ground. =) Patience my good man.
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal I am dissapointed in how NASA handled the hoax claims. which fuels the fire even more . If i was director of NASA I would've taken far differnt steps to regain the the trust of the few who disbelieve. To ignore them and call them quacks, gets us no where. We are all human beings , we all bleed and shit , we all have a heart , we all have emotions , just differnt points of view that seperates us . Im tired of it frankly
yourboycal 1 year ago
One can, in 20-20 hindsight, say that NASA should have treated the hoax claims differently. But I can't blame them, after having conducted the most thoroughly documented event in human history, for ignoring the hoaxheads as the crackpots as they are. I can understand their concern for not wanting to dignify the hoax claims with a response.
But our schools have failed to give many ordinary people the critical thinking skills they need to reject hoax BS, and that puts NASA in a tricky spot.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal after have conducted the most thoroughly documented event in human history , yes but then they turn around and lose 700+ boxes of data? An accident? Carelessness? or was it just so garbage we didnt even need it ? Things like this fuel the conspiracys . If i was a tax paying american and they lost data on such an important event i would be outraged.
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Wouldnt the government call out these hoaxers give them unlimited access to nasa archieves to find there evidence at the very least ? to prove there innocence? Its not like nasa even takes care of there archieves heane the 700+ boxes of apollo lost.? Whats the harm in looking through it so the hoaxers can get some closure? i see no harm?
yourboycal 1 year ago
You sound like you're fairly new to this whole Apollo hoax nonsense. Or at least you haven't been through it all a few times already. An enormous amount of Apollo technical documentation is still readily available; try the NASA Technical Reports Server and you'll be amazed at the level of detail.
Spend a few years studying all that stuff and then come back and tell us we should still listen to the hoaxheads.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal No not new , spent lots of hours checking out apollo hoax videos , talked to many about it , debated a few times. Not new at all . Just because i listien to them doesnt mean i have to accept there views i think thats what your confusing my good man. I've heard alot of krazy stories but doesnt mean i have to accept them i just keep it in the back of my mind . and listien either way =)
yourboycal 1 year ago
Spent lots of hours checking hoax videos? Your time would be much better spent reading the actual historical record and maybe re-reading your high school physics textbooks. I would suggest clavius org as an excellent resource for refuting every single hoax claim, most of which are quite old and all of which are solidly refuted.
I've found that hoax claims sometimes motivate people to learn real physics and the real history of Apollo. It's making lemons into lemonade.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Yes i've been to clavius checked them out along with a few other debunking websites. I've spent alot of time on pro apollo and alot of time on anti apollo. These are just two small branches that i research among countless others in omnisciences mostly. and few other branches of life. Im very happy and so greatful of the information im allowed to learn , gives me goosebumps being so lucky to even be able to thanks to the internet
yourboycal 1 year ago
Precisely. As a kid I was always frustrated at having to get everything about Apollo filtered and dumbed down through the news media. But today, NASA has put practically every photograph, movie and document ever written about Apollo on the net, so there's no excuse for anyone to claim ignorance of the facts, or that they should still be "open minded" to the hoaxers. They have ready access to more than enough information to conclude that Apollo was real and the hoaxers are all wet.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal They have access to more then enough information to conclude that apollo was real? I would also say the same for the weapons of mass destruction in iraq which never exsisted. Billion dollar intelligence agency just couldnt figure it out ? Was it neglect.? They had plenty of information knowing iraq didnt have it , but they continued anyway. There was all the information there but what happened in the end? It meant nothing because it was a lie all along
yourboycal 1 year ago
You're not making sense. The NASA Technical Reports Server has a huge amount of technical documentation on Apollo. Over many years I've read and understood much of it. I've never had any reason whatsoever to doubt that what was being described did in fact work.
Yes, I'm an engineer. Yes, much of this stuff wouldn't make sense to the uninitiated. But it's still available, and it can be understood by anyone willing to make the effort.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal lol technical documentation for the average joe? Your right alot of it wouldnt make sense to just the average guy looking for some truth. If people didnt have jobs , a recession to get through , and childrean to feed im sure they would spend countless hours reserach apollo technical data. ooooooorrrrrr. We can just wait till 2018-2020 for the HD? I dont understand what your issue is with the simple solution? Pictures speak louder then words for the mass public my good man ,
yourboycal 1 year ago
My issue with the "simple solution" is that it won't do any good. The hoaxers are immune to evidence and reason, and they'll reject even a present-day expedition to an Apollo site as a fabrication.
I do strongly believe that NASA should carry the best possible cameras on every space mission, but for a different reason: to give us, the ones paying, the next best experience to actually being there.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal lol you have no hope ? you dont trust your fellow man ? I never said they would all be believers , i said the numbers would dramatically fall for the deniers. Do you agree or not? the numbers who dont believe now , will dramatically fall if i have my wish and its HD LIVE STREAMING. ? Yes or no ? Is that obviously not step one for dealing with hoaxers? Bring there numbers down ? =0
yourboycal 1 year ago
The numbers of hoaxers are already quite small. They're a very noisy bunch so it seems like there are more.
I'm much more concerned about people on the sidelines, like you, who aren't True Believers in the hoax theory but who lack the technical knowledge and critical thinking skills to immediately see the hoax theories for the utter nonsense that they are. History is full of examples of harmful delusions spreading from a few nutters to a general population that was otherwise healthy.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal But look who was in charge while it happened.?
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal For you the evidence is enough , thats fine , but some out there chose to be more skeptical and wait for more evidence. there is absoutley nothing wrong with that . It does not make them quacks, nuts jobs , or kooks. 2018 if nasa doesnt come out with excuses , and actually goes through with the HD camereas you will see the numbers of deniers drop dramatically. Or do you say it wont matter the numbers will stay even?
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal History is full of examples of harmful delusions - yes and we must learn from them =) . That krazy guy sometimes gets it right and you cant over look that. If you treat all of them as nut jobs and quacks. Its the finest point of narrow closed mind right there. I chose to be neutral and that seems to be an issue with you. Because i understand why they think like that , and i understand why they want more evidence?
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal "I am skeptical" does not simply equate to "I do not believe". To believe implies there is acknowledgment of the legitimacy of the evidence, and to disbelief implies otherwise.
yourboycal 1 year ago
"Believe" is not a good word choice. I don't "believe" the Apollo missions were real. Rather, I know they were real because of the solid evidence that supports that fact.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal 2018 =) will be one conspiracy down 100 to go ? =p
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal I assure you, nothing will happen in 2018 to stop the Apollo hoax conspiracy theories for good. Uninformed, angry people will still be repeating Kaysing's and Rene's claims in 2118.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago 2
@ApolloWasReal lol what am i speaking german or something here ? =p I said many times over and over , the number of hoaxers will dramatically fall. the few left who still believe in it will be far lower then where we are today . I made that very clear many times. I never said it would get rid of all of the deniers. I said the numbers will dramatically fall. =p . You'll see alot of deniers might come back to apologize =p
yourboycal 1 year ago
I understand you just fine. I'm just telling you that new proof won't make any difference because the hoaxers simply aren't about evidence and logic, they're about their own egos. My own theory is that they feel so threatened by their inability to understand how Apollo worked and so inferior to the many talented people who made it happen that they are compelled to deny that it even happened.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago 10
@ApolloWasReal There are many reasons why people who deny the apollo landings have. Its how they rationlize there beliefs in there head based on the evidence. Its not a house of cards take one out they all fall. Many reasons many passions many philisohpical views . An un-cut HD streaming live shot of the whole mission is more then enough , when they get on the moon and full hd 360 on the sky while there to even further show
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal The old footage from previous trips were shitty due to lack of tech. yes the 16mm films showed good quality . But nothing like we have today . Today the kids demand HD to take anyting seriously lol , even when i watch youtube videos they demand HD! just like the moon once they get it in there HD they will be on your side helping you deal with the little remaining disbelievers =)
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Now when i make the youtube video asking nasa to make ad onation thing for it so theres no excuses this time . You better help spread it . Cuz if 2018 comes and we get no live HD feed. and many camereas or we get "lost data" or "lost transmission" middle of it , then sadly it might even increase the suspicion . or we get on the moon and all the camereas some how break loool
yourboycal 1 year ago
As I keep telling you, I'm all in favor of carrying the best cameras available to keep the taxpayers interested and involved in spaceflight. But I harbor no illusions about the hard-core hoaxers. Facts aren't the issue for them.
And if you're concerned about the general public that doesn't know better, there's no need to wait. You can start educating them RIGHT NOW with the mountains of information that Apollo returned. We don't need more pictures to "prove" what's already proven.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago 2
@ApolloWasReal Just like I saw a documentary about how Yuri Gagarin was fake! I mean wtf! everything in the space race Was REAL. also America won by going to the moon multiple times and We won by achieving more, in the end we both won and should work together to get to mars and beyond because with todays economy it's getting harder by one nation...
TonyFirelli 1 year ago
@TonyFirelli I agree, it would be great if we could get a truly meaningful international space program going that involved actual exploration of other solar system bodies, not just whizzing around the earth in a low orbit.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal couldnt agree more
TheFluffyDuck 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Check out this video , it sickens me how "elected" leaders can just lie without an atom of shame right to our faces. It distrubs me knowing such things exist in trusted insitutions. Its unaccetable. How can you expect a law obiding public when the law enforcers arent even doing it . lol . We are all products of our enviroment , Public needs good honet role models , can you blame alot of deniers after the history of lies we've been fed?
/watch?v=gMStCHtUNeY
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal If you allow two criminals to go without being charged for war crimes , why would you want to charge nasa with lying to the public? When one could rat out the other ? Thats why it strikes a nerve with alot of people. If you can so easily let a confirmed lie go without punishmed , why would you care about apollo? Why would the government expose it self? they wouldnt. it would be national shame
yourboycal 1 year ago
What are you talking about? I believe Bush, Cheney et al are genuine war criminals who should be investigated and prosecuted.
Apollo-era NASA, on the other hand, was a large number of dedicated, hard working and talented people who accomplished exactly what they set out to do: landing men on the moon and returning them to the earth. Although the original motive was simply to beat the Russians, they made big contributions to science and technology. Why should I prosecute them? They're heroes.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Well prosecuting people will be dealt with IF and after it is discovered that apollo was a hoax. No need to talk about who is to be accountable now , when we havnt even passed the verification stage yet. Those things comes after. As of right now those men are hero's heance this series i posted up on my page dedicated a thank you to all those great men and women . =) I know the hard work it takes
yourboycal 1 year ago
You're not making sense. You say it's a shame so many people think Apollo was a hoax. Then you insist on additional proof, saying it's not verified. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.
The Apollo missions are among the best documented events in human history. Everyone accepts this but a small noisy band who allege a hoax for reasons not completely understood. Additional photography won't shut them up. The best we can do is explain the existing record for those who will listen.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal If its just a small noisy band then why are you getting so worked up over it ? Just dismiss them and go on your merry little way =) But for me i understand why they think its a hoax , i can see there point of view this is what empthy is . I dont see them as kooks or nuts , i see them as human beings with differnt points of views . You dont need to get so worked up about it if its just a small fraction of the people my good man =)
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal This is why i stay neutral , the governmetns history of CONFIRMED lies, i wouldnt believe them if they told me this was an apple. i would ask for a lab analysis lol. The hoaxers sure some of there claims are out of this world but i can understand how they reach those conclusions. There is limited logic in debating what happened back then when the verification is only years away =D
yourboycal 1 year ago
WMD in Iraq is a red herring. Yes, there's plenty of reason to believe that Bush/Cheney manufactured those claims to justify a pre-existing desire to invade Iraq. That's probably a real conspiracy that should be blown wide open.
But it has nothing to do with Apollo, for which huge amounts of evidence is available to the public for independent study, analysis and verification. The Iraq "intel", on the other hand, was never published.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal There was no iraq intel to publish. All there findings and the un securiuty council and other agencies all concluded there was no weapons. If all the reports point to no weapons yet they look the american public in the eye and just lie staright out , whats that tell you about the integrity of government? Tell me why are they pardoned by obama? why not charge these men for war crimes? with apollo we had who as president at the time ?
yourboycal 1 year ago
You're quite right, I think it's a travesty that Bush & Cheney haven't been prosecuted for war crimes, including waging aggressive war.
But again, that has absolutely nothing to do with Apollo. We have far more to go on than merely a statement by the President that the missions were real. We have a huge amount of photography and science data. We have the people who did it. We have the technical documentation for their machinery and systems. It's the best documented event in history.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal It goes to show you when there is a "motive" how easily the government can just lie to the people. Then after its confirmed they lie instead of being punished they get a library named after them lol. Another example is Wall Street and there collapse . many economists predicted this would happen long long before it did . But of course they were dismissed with there warnings of the future lol. Nobody cares for truth my good man
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal The government gave us plenty of illustrations pictures statements about iraq's weapons, but there were people who cried out conspiracy they dont have it , long before . But they got dismissed as kooks, turns out they were right all along . Scurvey was another example of ignorance . there were plenty who cried vitimen c but they let so many die because they refuse to accept it as somethign that simple . many more examples =p
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal I'lll telll you one thing. I couldnt live with my self if i preached something to people , then it turns out i was dead wrong. I couldn't mislead people like that . I would feel so bad , so ashamed , so dissapointed . Thats why i stay neutral till i know without a shadow of a doubt. This and many other issues i chose neutrality , its the calosophy way =)
yourboycal 1 year ago
Hey, we certainly agree on the badness of spreading incorrect information. And that's what I find so inexplicable about the hoaxers; their need for attention seems to trump all.
However, I have no reasonable doubt that the Apollo missions were completely genuine and absolutely no problem taking that position publicly.
For all I know my brain is sitting in a vat, connected to a computer that simulates the universe for me. That's about as likely as Apollo being fake. It's a chance I'll take.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal brain sitting in a vat connected to a computer that simulates the universe for me. Man i wish it was like that i would asked to be unplugged. I dont like this earth with the humans that infest it today . Everyone fighting each other , everyone lying to each other , everyone in it for self intrest , so much greed corruption , misinformation , deception , opression , that if any other species comes to earth first time they would be disgusted as i would too
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Ignoring the hoaxers , ignoring there claims , calling them quacks , crying 2+2 = 5 mentality will get us no where , It will keep us divided , it will keep us seperated , it will keep us , us vs them. Its stupid , silly , and as intelligent humans we should not act childish about this . There are many things i would do if i was president to address these hoax claims . To ignore them fuels the fire.
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal But it doesnt matter , we can sit here argue the logistics of it back and forth till our faces turn blue. The point is we are going back 2018-2020 and this time we will demand the HD 50+ camereas , the public will even donate money so nasa has ZERO excuses this timei for lost data , crappy pictures , blurry video , no stars from moon etc.. No more excuses that feed the conspiracy theorists. 2018 will be the end or start :o
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal I'd love to see us go back to the moon again, this time with HDTV and high resolution digital still cameras. But if the mountains of Apollo documentation weren't enough to convince the deniers that we've been there, then neither will this.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Hey dont worry buddy , if i get my wish and we have 50+ hd tv camereas , on the space shuttle , with live streaming. I will work night and day to convince the deniers =) Because i need to verify it for my self first before i go preaching it you know. 2018 if i get my wish and all those cameres. i'll be more excited the a fat kid in a candy store. Then finally we can all be proud together =)
yourboycal 1 year ago
@Rob260259 "it is ignorance , arrogance and conceit"
Yes but for both sides. Your looking at the byproduct of a bigger problem . Which is information . Misinformation disinformation is the only barrier seperating reason and understanding. I can understand both sides of the argument and why they reach those conclusions.
yourboycal 1 year ago
Many issues of ethics and values have arguments on both sides. Even when I strongly prefer one I can often still appreciate the other.
This isn't one of them. When one person says 2+2=4 and another says 2+2=5, only someone trying to hide their ignorance of math will say that each side has a point. When it comes to facts rather than personal values, absolute truth and falsity do exist.
And the facts are all on the side of Apollo having been completely genuine.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@Rob260259 When you actually sit down look at the confirmed lies of the u.s government through history , you cant really blame people for being skeptical when they come out and tell us oh we went to the moon =p . Its like oh yea ? i'd love to buy an island from you lol. Truth is the confirmed lies of the u.s government would make me be ashamed to call my self american. espically if america is nothing but deception sold as democracy
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal
Yes, I can't blame people. But the Moonlandings only were presented by a government. But they were confirmed and acknowledged by thousands of engineers, scientists, geochemists, physicists, geologists, astronomers and astronauts from across the globe. The evidence of Apollo has been in the public domain for more than 40 years now.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 Well 2018-2020 we are returning to the moon. this time we will demand HD camereas LIVE FEED online for the world to see and save the mission on there pc's. Unlike nasa which confirms 700 + boxes of lost data. Shame so many careless people work there and lose such important data. If it was lost on purpose or accident who cares. My focus is on 2018 with HD camereas every inch of that ship. I will personally donate money to help fund for extra camereas
yourboycal 1 year ago
Why do you think HD cameras on the moon will resolve the issue for the hoaxers? Apollo returned thousands of 70mm Hasselblad images with much better resolution than HDTV (1920x1080). They did it when Photoshop didn't exist. Yet the hoaxheads wave their hands and scream "fake!" Why wouldn't they do the same for HDTV?
You could take them there and they'd claim you planted the experience in their brains a la "Total Recall". There's no satisfying a deluded, irrational person.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Because of the generation gap. Alot of deniers werent even born at that time =) They werent even there , so naturally they will dismiss the video/picture back then espically if they dont believe it happened. They want to see it for there own eyes, they dont want the 100's of excuses nasa gives for the shitty quality. Its that simple. No more excuses 2018. 50+ HD camereas with LIVE streaming so everyone can watch on there pc. You will see the numbers of deniers dramatically drop,
yourboycal 1 year ago
Well, World War II ended before I was born, but I don't claim that the holocaust was a hoax, for example. The historical record is too overwhelming.
I think the real cause of Apollo denial is the failure of our educational system not only to teach science and math, but also critical thinking -- how to apply what you learn in school to the real world.
As I said, we already have excellent photographic documentation of Apollo. Some people will continue to reject everything.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal The pictures /video for apollo are not excellent , please dont exaggerate . The 16mm was good quality but far from HD. Im not sure you understand what i mean by HD quality , you should google imax space station to see the quality i would like for the moon mission . The crisp clean picture. I want a camerea for every possible angle , light , surface, filter, distance, color etc.
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Events that happen on earth are much easier to verify then events that happen many thousands of miles away . I can ask uncle bob about ww2 , or aunt jamine about it , or even that old guy down the street , or the vetrans . But how many of those same people went to the moon ? How many of them just got there information from the usual sources? Its one thing to live through it , its another to hear about it
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Why wouldnt they do the same for HDTV? Because this time it will be live. this time it will be streaming . This time no nasa filters . This time every angle of that ship will have cameras with differnt angels , to see every inch of space while the mission happens all the way to the moon. If nasa can do that i assure the numbers of hoaxers will dramatically fall. Its that simple. Seeing is believing. espically in HD ;)
yourboycal 1 year ago
@ApolloWasReal Hey you should subscribe im gonna make a video to plea with nasa to open up a public donation account so we can donate money for all those HD camereas. i really want no excuses from nasa as to why they didnt have all the cameras set up thsi time =*(. I really wanna bring the hoaxers and the believers together, this is the only way to droppen the numbers. but i need nasa's help . So when i make the video please help spread <3
yourboycal 1 year ago
Sure, by all means be skeptical of the US government. Indeed there's plenty of reason to be. I sure am. Remember that Vietnam and Watergate also happened around the time of Apollo.
But distrust has to give way to facts supported by mountains of evidence. And Apollo is an admittedly unusual case of the US government actually doing something positive even if it was for the wrong reasons.
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
I cant ignore them , they are human beings , with there own views , they have thoughts and free expression. Landing on the moon is such a big deal for man kind , how can we actually go living life with many many doubters not just a few but many. We have to clear it up once and for all for them . We could do this 30 years ago , but the next trip untill 2018-2020? lool? Surley the technology is much more advanced and easier now? Why so long to return when theres possiblitiy of water?
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal
It's all about BUDGET. Thirty years ago we had no internet and we had less hoaxheaded conspiracy theorists. Today, with a little Google, anyone can be an engineer, scientist, detective, journalist, photographer, aerodynamicsspecialist, you name it. At least, that is what they think. They think they are like heroes and 'truthfinders'.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 Well you could also argue , that 30 years ago with no internet. The only way to get information was 1)news b)parents c)friends d) school. Very limited and if you were to spread a lie it wouldnt be to hard to control those medias of information. Thanks to the internet it adds e) which allows everyone to connect share information instantly. There pros and cons both side
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal
Well, you could also argue, that today we are in the waning years of a new millenium and the information undertow is staggering. From Google to Twitter and all between. 16-29 year-olds who have no reference for the pre-Internet surf and search their 'truth' with the longest time spent on a site being the length of a Germaine Dupree song.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 Atleast there learning about history thanks to the internet. Atleast there taking intrest even if its in conspiracy theories , truth is a matter of preception . Evidence is a matter of the observer . Would you rather every one shut up and accept the government version without questioning it ? This is hitlers germany ? I welcome open minds, i welcome people who want to learn and reserach . Or should i shut up and continue to believe iraqs weapons of mass destruction?
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal
If something happened 10 years ago, it's ancient history. If it's 40 years, it's the Stone Age. Much has changed, some things stay the same. The only thing that's really changed is the speed at which we can all say Fuck You to one another!
The internet is a blessing. It's a swamp, too.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 We should learn from the mistakes of history , we should thrive on the achievments. if there are skeptical people we should address there claims and concerns not dismiss them as kooks. Everyone can be happy if we stop the "im smart your stupid stfu " mentality . or the " i reserached it , its fake" also mentality both sides have there negatives , we need to filter out the bad and filter in the good of both sides
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal
"we need to filter out thte bad"
Moonhoax conspiracists are bad, very bad. They are insulting 400,000 dedicated workers that took part in Apollo. The moonlandings were the result of damn good engineering and a lot, a very lot of courage.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 "They are insulting 400,00 dedicated workers that took part" Yes i agree , thats why i had this video put up as a thank you to those people. Which is even more reason that there should be atleast 50 HD camereas this time. so the world can verify without a shadow of a doubt. No more grainy pics , no more lost boxes , no more sun reflects this , no more stars missing etc. Just truth simple HD pics
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal
You can ask for 100 HD camera's, the real hoaxhead will stick to his 'faith'.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 "You can ask for 100 HD camera's ; the real hoaxhead will stick to his faith"
I know you were going to say this , thats why i made it clear. There will be little deniers left after the 2018 mission. The deniers who convert would fight on your side and deal with those little ones left. After 2018 and all that online hd streaming of the mission you will understand what i mean =)
yourboycal 1 year ago
@Rob260259 There is no point arguing it now. we will just wait till 2018-2020 and all our questions will be taken care of with the super HD quality live feed we will get :D to see the whole trip a-z . The evidence will then speak for it self ;)
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal
"our questions"
Not mine. I have no doubt.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 Yes nice talking to you aswell . It breaks my heart that we have so many people who dont believe it . We should all be proud of such an amazing achievment together. If i was government i would do everything in my power to earn the publics trust back. I cant wait till 2018 for the return trip :D I really hope we have all those cameras so the world can watch and experince together online in HD. Where it will leave no shadow of a doubt in everyones hearts :D
yourboycal 1 year ago
@Rob260259 Im gonna make a video that if NASA needs extra funding for those 50 HD camereas and online feed,. That they should make a donation account and i know thousands of people will donate money just to have these special camereas just so there is ZERO excuses this time. Zero videos lost , because this time it will be ONLINE LIVE FEED> That anyone in the world can log into and watch it LIVE> Every second
yourboycal 1 year ago
@Rob260259 I assure you alot of people who deny moon landing now will turn humble when that happens. You will see alot of people who deny it will now accept it as self evident. You will see alot of the deniers start to be believers and actually go and debate the little few who will be left deniers. You will see more people be happy and patriotic about the moon landings =) Just time my friend this will all be dealt with
yourboycal 1 year ago
@Rob260259 The moon landings we should all be proud of together. Given the history of confirmed lies the government has given us + corrupt nixon in charge while it happen you cant blame some americans to be skeptical. 2018 will clear all that up :D when we get to see the moon landing from a-z all live on HD cameras where the world can see , so it leaves zero doubt that we went =) and even confirming the previous ones!
yourboycal 1 year ago
Why would you even acknowledge the hoaxtards by mentioning a fake in the description? This video is lost on any moron who think the landings were fake, they are useless fucktards of no consequence.
RCAvhstape 1 year ago
@RCAvhstape That's what I'm saying too.
The only hoaxer I met in real life I did punch. It was worth the 3 days in jail. The look on his face... the moment reality sat in that, the truth hurts, and my fist hurts even more. These people don't live in the world of reality. I find that 5 or 6 right crosses to the face snaps them right back too it.
Polybun 1 year ago
Thats real nice , cant beat someone with reason and logic so you use violence , great role model you are , For some reason i dont wish there were more people like you . The guy you did punch in the face i hope he forgives you and your ignorance . Conspiracy theorys need facts to make a theory , just like theory of evolution both theorys , because one guy took the time to look into it , while you spoke out your ass gives you no right to use violence you ape =p
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal It isn't about that at all. I feel, why should I waste my time?
You can go ahead and debate them if you want, but I was blessed with a 6'1" 230lb body, and I intend to put it to good use. If debating and logic were going to work, they wouldn't buy into that hoax shit anyway.
Polybun 1 year ago
You're just a thug, no better than any hoaxtard. If you don't like to argue, walk away like an adult. Punching someone instead of presenting facts only gives them more credibility.
RCAvhstape 1 year ago
@RCAvhstape Really? I guess that makes Buzz Aldrin a simple thug then, since he gave one a sock to the jaw. At some point it's better just to get your point across quickly, and fist in the face is just as effective as any fact to such low intelligence. It's not shameful to take the conversation to their level for them. It's all some can understand.
Polybun 1 year ago
Using violence for someone expressing there views tsk tsk . Is this hitlers germany? =p I pray to god your not around any kids , your not stable for society , you cant handle a little critisim , you mask your pain with violence sad really but hey whatever floats your boat =p
yourboycal 1 year ago
Because the government has a history of confirmed lies. I can point them out if you wish , we've been lied to over and over and over and over again , all the lies the government has accumilated over the centurys is enough to make there creadiblity shit =p I dont blame people for thinking its faked , all the motives are there for a faked landing, its just good to keep an open mind . Governments care about continuity of government not whats truth or lies =)
yourboycal 1 year ago
Yes, the government lies a lot, I agree. But lying about a moon landing and keeping it secret for four decades is harder than just building a rocket and flying to the moon. Any engineer who does the math can tell you that with enough money, this was totally credible. And NASA had unlimited money in the 60s. And of course, if NASA had faked this, the USSR would have blown the whistle, since it was obvious that the radio signals from Neil Armstrong were coming from the Sea of Tranquility.
RCAvhstape 1 year ago
Just one way to end this once and for all , is to send up a rover up there with a HD camerea that the whole world can see live, the whole trip to the moon the whole landing of the rover ,a nd the driving around to differnt landing cites to see all the equipment left , that would put er all to sleep :p now alot of americans belive it was faked surley this would justify the cost , once and for all , like this should be a great milestone for humanity and shouldnt be cloudy like it is now
yourboycal 1 year ago
The question of IF we got to the moon is NOT up in the air. There is overwhelming evidence that we put 12 men on the moon before the Apollo mission was scrubbed. Reflectors positioned on the lunar surface, moon rock brought back, photo and film, telemetry data, radar, radio, eyewitness accounts. Enemies watched us do it. People died doing it.
Hoaxtards.....
Deke101 2 years ago 2
did i not make it very clear in the comments this isnt about if we went or not , this is for all the hard work and dedication put forth by men and women , its an appreciation video for them ,, and you had to start up the moon talks lol , you know sometimes u can leave the hate in the closet , and its okay to come together and appreciate something together =) open up !
yourboycal 2 years ago
@yourboycal You mentioned it, so it had to be said, now stfu
Polybun 1 year ago
Yes sir! :)
yourboycal 1 year ago
@Deke101 watch?v=tBpFaGUYJbs
ed11561 2 years ago
"Faked moon landings or not ,"
yourlocalboy, if it was faked, doesn't that at the very least "take all of the edge off" the whole thing?
4:33: "Verner Von Braun wasn't famous for being a bigwig rocket scientist nor his association with Adolf Hitler, nor for his cockiness, but for simply being on TV.
SounzNice 2 years ago
its an appreciation video for all the hard work, the testing , the lives lost , the sweat pored , all to least in our minds try to get to the moon , if we got there or not is still up in there air , but for the events leading up to it ,, it must be appreciated =)
yourboycal 2 years ago