Nice Guys Finish First (5/5) - Richard Dawkins

[SukkaPunch321]

This documentary put me into a really good mood :)

[meadowsirl]

I am so happy i saw this documentary, i wonder what Richard Dawkins thinks of TZM.

[PrincessTS01]

Titt-4-tat vs. Cheats Sounds like what Romney & Bain Capital does.

[koyima]

the wwi thing just shows what retards get power and what they try to do with it. they are obviously not tit for tat and use all the tit for tat people to further their agendas.

[narutokage777]

Go try the tit for tat tactic with the us army but don't forget to dig your grave first..

[timfidotru]

There was the other thing in WWI. The soldiers felt more sympathy for their entrenched opponents, than for their generals and governments.

[PaladinswordSaurfang]

haha the google captions get so many words wrong!

[Bethos1247]

The real thing!

[ScientificExperience]

TURN CAPTIONS ON XP

[moidixmois1]

If anyone is interested, there is a movie called Joyeux Noël (Merry Christmas) which is based on the truce of Christmas 1915.

[infectedsubincision]

very very interesting stuff

[mdgreg]

Note: the General was the Representative of the Bureaucracy, So, Not Interested In Peace, but Selfishly Sought to Get Ahead, By Cynically Using War.

[etetepete]

We've allways been educated the respect between the Central Faction and the Entente.

Even thought I live in a former central country. :p

Especially the respect between France and Germany was shown as a big lesson of this war.

[luffy6666]

Rednecks can't play Tit for Tat!

[nett103]

Tit-for-tat during WW1 killed tens of milliions..it doesnt make complete sense.

[javmango]

@nett103 okay, first thing with this is that tit-for-tat didn't result in tens of millions dead, it did lead to the non-aggression pacts but the killing came after tit-for-tat broke down. non-aggression is good if you don't want to be killed, but if your a general it isn't very good for you. after all you can't win a war by not fighting.

for the soldiers not being killed is the goal and being killed is the loss. generals do well by winning battles and do badly by losing battles and inaction.

[nett103]

So does this program show people that we should automatically co-operate or be automatically selfish??

[javmango]

@nett103 co-operating results in benefit to one's self as well as to others, so the most selfish thing to do is to co-operate as it has the highest net benefit. i would recommend reading "the selfish gene" as this has a very good explanation as to how a selfish set of rules can lead to apparent altruism.

[ohyea8686]

@nett103 it shows that people should automatically co-operate

[flappenstein]

Tit for tat ... I know what a tit is, but whats a tat?

I want a tat, so I can get some tit! =D

[Smeagollum86]

i heard in a situation that the two sides between germany and england put down their weapons and even played a game of football (the real football) with each other on a christmas day

of course they resumed their fighting later on

then came ww2

[bijoukaiba]

I never knew that about vampire bats! How cool!

Haha, the bat at 2:20 had such a cute look on his face. | 3

[gentzelpwns]

Mikhail cooperated... Reagan Defected... >_<

[sportsportsport]

wow, television and other forms of media certainly try and keep this information from us a far distance away. Right then, on to the next subject.

[slaughtz]

None of this matters if you have absolute power. In which case, you would be allowed to cheat anyone without any repercussions. There's no morals involved in this.

[unfad1ng]

@slaughtz

the point is that coopartive behaviour pays off and selfishness isnt always best

[ClearMetalVoltar]

WOW ive never heard nor have been taught in school about game theory! this has changed my life!!! now im going to do research on this! :)

[aakkoin]

@ClearMetalVoltar i understood this test was not about game theory, but about social and behavioral evolution in general. the game theory was invented by the famous john nash. suckas be warned!

[mamolian]

Fantastic :o So many interesting things in this 5 part vid! Cheers for the upload!

[schordan]

wwI tit for tat was heart warming :3

[unfad1ng]

This shows how superior middle ground tactics are.

Be nice but not too nice.

I believe that a middle way is always the best.

[Badhabitsjay]

@unfad1ng It's not be nice but not too nice. It's being nice but not tolerating those that aren't nice to you while also not holding a grudge.

"Nice guys finish last" is actually better described as "Weak guys finish last". You can both be nice while also being strong within yourself and having the respect to not allow people to abuse your niceness, the same way tit for tat does.

That's the point here. People need to realise it.

[unfad1ng]

@Badhabitsjay

i agree

[mrfrankincense]

@Badhabitsjay Haven't they evolved to instinctively think ita dn that is why we have such altruistic people such as any member of a society.

[blogheads]

And the Monty Python used the phrase "IN 1945, PEACE BROKE OUT''

[uiuiuiseraph]

This is soooo interesting! :O

[MissLadyDoolittle]

The phrase "disease of peace" makes me weep. Let the whole world be infected!

[Acecrack]

@MissLadyDoolittle "Disease of peace". Now that's a pandemic I'd like to see spread.

[kantastisk]

thank you for posting these vids! there are quite a few I haven't seen before. where on earth did you get them? are you an age-old dawkins-fan?

[hardinmichael1981]

"sorry for that blasted mortar old chap!"

"s'all roit!"

jajajaja

[Yep147]

This is one of the best shows I've ever seen.  Thanks, dc, for posting.

[ashleylovesdaddy]

Anita was a bitch in that last video. It's paused right now. I'm gonna smoke and then get back to this little jewel of a video. Cheers to dawkinschannel for this post.

[Huddiethegreat]

Imagine that, the soldiers of ww1refusing to fight a silly war for their fat governments

[tirsden]

The WWI stuff is awesome, I have never heard that before. Too bad the generals had to screw it up. And I find it highly ironic the cooperation on the battlefield was nowhere mentioned in my high school education... but then it was right-wing fundamentalist homeschooling. x_x

[GOGOGO29]

awesome! enjoyed it..and an honourable mention to the spelling police of youtube for completely missing ones point and just highlighting their mistakes.

[jazzx251]

... it should be "one's point" not "ones point".

[GOGOGO29]

thanx...i mean thanks..i'll write it down.

[IcedPhoenix666]

@jazzx251 There is a comma between "one's point" and "not".

[cagv818]

goddamn brilliant!!!!

[FlickerEdge]

Fascinating documentary.

[everl4stb]

just look at those sweet computer animations. they dont make em' like that anymore.

[jazzx251]

When this came out - the hottest game in the arcade was Bubble Bobble!

Curiously, two players could either co-operate by helping each other defeat the enemies, or selfishly take all the powerups leaving their partner defenceless.

[HeartBlade89]

He got the reason why tit for tat occured in WWI wrong but the premise is the same.

Rather than a mutual view of life, the soldiers realized that they would never be able to defeat the opposing side due to the nature of trench warfare where gains were on one side were quickly reclaimed.

[8DX]

Yeah I guess that was the state of affairs. But within that frame the soldiers began thinking as Dawkins describes:

a sniper would think:

"if I shoot that bloke, his mate might nail me next time. I don't want that so I'll shoot that bird off the tree. "

But if his own friend had been shot he'd think: "They got my mate, I'll get one of their's, that'll show 'em."

Individuals in a war where there is a stalemate will be thinking about their own survival.

I guess.

[datalal624]

The part about WWI was quite fascinating. I never knew tit-for-tat behaviour would have happened between Allied and Axis lines!

Thanks for posting!

[Ocean1788]

WW1 was not fort between allied and axis. It was Allied(entente) and central powers.

[datalal624]

Oh right, sorry! Confused the WW2 terms there, I did. :-p

[quonundrumm]

Fought.

[adraim69]

lol that's the wrong world war. But we knew what you meant ;)

[simplic10]

Not only that. According to a book by (I think) Michael Ignatieff, about the history of warfare, it was extremely common in WWI to shoot to miss, even when in a situation in which you could be killed by the other guy. Only (I seem to recall) something like 1 in 10 shots in that war were actually attempts to kill.

[1aaronaaron1]

@datalal624 yeah me neither history teachers should have talked about it to make class more interesting!

[1rken1nfantry]

@datalal624 what he forget to mention (and is quite funny to read about) is how the Allied line raided and stole presents from the Axis and quickly ended the peace.

[freeballs7]

thankyou dawkinschannel for posting this!

[tohobbes]

Thank you for posting this!

[thewizardofqz]

very intriguing, thank you for posting this up.

[BlizBob]

Very interesting. Thank you.

[ChesspiecefaceOO]

Great, might never see that otherwise. Thanks very much.