was you born stupid or did you have to work at it? if a woman was raped, of course she should be able to have an abortion if she wants, but if she just got on her back for the hell of it then its not a choice. she had the CHOICE to stay off her back and keep her legs shut. oh, btw, if its not a baby, she's not pregnant. and if you really think god is pro choice then you truely are braindead. im sure your parents are proud.
@zac030101 Oh that's right, I forgot, women are only baby making machines and should in no way ever have sex for pleasure. Fuck off. How come it's her fault? Why didn't HE keep it in his pants? Or is he not responsible because he is the owner of the mighty, superior penis?
@TheRumkitty wrong, women are life support systems for a pussy. but if they dont open their legs they dont get pregnant. its that simple. and if you are going too, at least have a brain and use procection. just a thought.
@zac030101 No, women are human beings who have sexual urges, just like men. Oh, and proTection doesn't always work, you sexist piece of shit. People have gotten knocked up whilst using condoms AND the pill. Nothing is 100% apart from a hysterectomy. I'll do what I fucking choose to with my body and you keep your nose out of other people's business. I am so sick of hearing how men get a free pass and women get told to "close their legs" it is the most juvenile argument in the world.
@TheRumkitty really? its the most factual argument in the world. like it or not, nothing happens till you open your legs. if your gonna play the game the be willing to pay the price and consenquence. im always amazed by people like you. ya dont have a problem killing a baby, but putting a murderer down, oh we cant have that. btw if its not a baby, your not pregnant. and if you think you have the right to kill a baby then someone has the right to kill you without punishment, right?
@zac030101 No, NOT a factual argument, it takes 2 to tango, so why is the man absolved of blame? Do you know what absolved means? Because your shitty spelling leads me to believe you're a moron. Who said I was against capital punishment? Also, a foetus is NOT a baby. Learn some biology. An 8 week foetus has more in common with a damn tadpole than a child. I have hopes, feelings, fears, thoughts, dreams and people that love me. A foetus cannot even feel pain. That's the difference.
@TheRumkitty yeah it is factual, and my spelling huh. what the hell is a foetus? btw, the man cant do anything till you open you legs honey. good luck being dumber than dogshit.
@zac030101 Lol, it doesn't surprise me that you don't know what a foetus is being so ignorant of biology...and yes foetus is a correct spelling of the word. And a woman can't get pregnant until a MAN flops his dick out. So we come back to it being 50/50. Unless you are arguing that immaculate conception exists, your argument has absolutely no basis in truth. TWO people create a baby, women don't just grow them like we grow our hair, dipshit.
@TheRumkitty a man can pull his dick out all he wants but until you open your legs nothing happens. i mean look hooker, you can whore it up all you want. again, if its not a baby your not pregnant. at least be woman enough to except responsibility of your actions. but, thats too much to ask i guess. il guess we got to put you in the column of shoulda been a blowjob.
@zac030101 You are a moron. Sex takes two people. Two people are responsible. Therefore it's 50/50. Basic biology dictates this. It's not the responsibility of the woman to prevent sex or use contraception, it's the responsibility of both. Only little boys refuse to admit responsibility for their action. I think you mean "accept responsibility for your actions". Don't know why I am arguing with such an illiterate retard. When men take responsibility I will too. An acorn is not a tree.
@zac030101 Bottom line, when you can get knocked up you can have a valid opinion on abortion. I do my best to stay not pregnant, but you can bet your sorry ass if I do get pregnant, I'll be aborting it. Thankfully I live in a country where pro-life retards haven't taken over all levels of government, so it's not and will never be an issue where I live.
@TheRumkitty sadly your mother didnt abort an idiot like you. but as you well know, any woman that can kill her own isnt worth shit anyway. oh, let me guess, your against the death penalty too. maybe you should do us all a favor and abort everytime so you cant pass on the stupid gene.
@zac030101 How sad that you need to resort to insults because your argument isn't worth shit. And no, you'd be wrong (as always) about my opinions on the death penalty. I've figured it out, you never get any. You hate women so much, you clearly want to take it up the ass from guys, which is fine, except none of them want to be with you.
@zac030101 I am not the one with the spelling and grammar of a dyslexic four year old. Pretty sure you're the stupid one, and a stupid person with no argument, no less.
cont. Mama cow: Even veternarians have the sensibility to try to save both. In fact if this case were to arise in animals, they'd probably try to save the one with the best chance of survival; in early stages, the mother, because neither can survive without the mother, but I wouldn't guarantee their response in later stages. Abortion is most often done with the purpose of eliminating a living thing, not saving one.
Then there would be less of a contradiction, no? The fact that we eat them is the only justification I can see for killing animals. Circle of life and what not. "gotta steal to eat, gotta eat to live, tell you all about it when I got the time" -Aladdin. Unborn children are killed because the mother isn't ready for a child. She was unprepared. Or the less than 1% trouble cases you choicers focus on that could clearly be exempted by a judge. cont.
Respond to this video... Do you not think out your stupid nonsense before you type and post it.
Onision always speaks of circumstance. If you are on the verge of death (preg-o birth failure or veggie starving) you go against what you believe for your life.
@sovietkomrades At 6 months the baby can live on its own, it is a real person because without the help of the mother it can survie. That is why it is concedered murder. Most people do NOT kill the baby after 6 months. Mostly even befor it can feel pain,have lungs, or have a brain. It's the MOTHERS choice on what she wants to do with her body. if you dontt like it then don't get an abortion when you get knocked up.
@Keysteeze I'm vegan and pro-choice. Really all because we are people and we have the CHOICE to do whatever we want with out bodys. But I don't think having an abortion because someone made you or making you give up the baby under someone elses chocie is not cool.
Whats hipocrititical is judging others. I am personally a pro life vegan. I would always discourage a choice that envolves the murder of both animal or human. But in the end , I do not judge a meat eater or a abortionist. I love all sentient beings. Nobodys perfect.
Humans/fetuses are animals too. Are you really vegetarian if you support killing a specific animal, even if you don't plan on eating it? I'm vegetarian and pro-life.
Oh I like the people who are pro-choice and against execution. So its not ok to kill a murderer but it is ok to kill an innocent child. I just blew your mind.
@john17972 In my honest opinion and from the research I heard of, it's a but longer than that. Up until the 6th month, the fetus can't feel pain, I've heard. I also don't believe it can think until either the 8th-9th month or a bit after birth. But I don't know much about mental developent at the early stages, to be quite honest.
@vgman94 The "six month" statistic is based on medieval logic. I'm pretty sure that as soon as the baby has a nervous system it can feel pain. Besides, it's not about the pain argument anyway, it's about the fact that you are killing a human. People have had babies prematurely at six months and they have survived. If they were killed in the womb at 6 months, that's ok. But if they are born out of the womb at six months and then murdered, that's illegal? Where is the logic in that one?
@komrade "Fetal awareness of noxious stimuli requires functional thalamocortical connections. Thalamocortical fibers begin appearing between 23 to 30 weeks gestational age, while electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in preterm neonates probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks." -Fetal Pain A Systematic Multidisciplinary Review of the Evidence, 2005, JAMA Rosen et al. This is science, not "logic". Name a person who was born at 6-months and survived.
@vgman94 During the past several decades, neonatal care has improved with advances in medical science, and therefore the limit of viability has moved earlier.[10] As of 2006, the two youngest children to survive premature birth are thought to be James Elgin Gill (born on 20 May 1987 in Ottawa, Canada, at 21 weeks and 5 days gestational age),[11][12] and Amillia Taylor (born on 24 October 2006 in Miami, Florida, at 21 weeks and 6 days gestational age). 20 weeks= approx 5 months
@vgman94 That study isn't 100% accepted, obviously if someone can be born at 23 weeks and survive, they can probably feel pain. learn your facts haha love making killers angry XD
@sovietkomrades I heard of another study (by a pro-lifer, no less) that said the fetus can't feel pain until 13-14 weeks. Possibly 15, but 'm not sure. Either way, it allows for ample time to get an abortion anyway. Also, considier the technology we have now, we could probably save someone at 5 months. This doesn't automatically mean they can feel pain, albeit it doesn't disprove you at all since 6 months is when they start feeling pain. So at 6 months, a fetus could be a person to some experts.
I'm pro choice and also a vegetarian. What I do with my body is my choice, I personally would not have an abortion and I choose to not eat meat because I don't see the point in killing an animal when I live very happily on a vegetarian diet. However if another woman decides that abortion is what is best for her that's her choice, just as someone eating meat it their choice.
Is it the babies fault it's mother got raped? The innocent infant that hasn't seen it's mommy yet? Hasn't had love? And warmth in it's mothers arms? Would the child not help it's mother in hard times?Can a baby alone stop it's mothers rape before it is conceived? Killing your own child? You won't kill a cow for food? But you will kill an infant before it can take it's first breath? Doesn't the baby have a good chance of being raped itself?Isn't that like killing a bird Simply for wanting to fly?
If it's going to make here go on welfare....you are so ignorant, well, then maybe she/he shouldn't be spreading their legs and @#$%$# if they are not going to use birth control, or take responsibility for a human life if she gets pregnant. It's E-Z for you to say these things.....YOUR ALIVE......what about the helpless, choiceless baby?
"If it's going to make her go on welfare"...that's your reason killing a baby is worth it? "If it has the face of the person who raped her"...Hey, here is an answer for you, Give the baby up for adoption. That is the only right choice there is. Use morallity when thinking of abortion. It is wrong to kill a baby for any reason. Just give it up for adoption. I had a friend who was raped, she had the baby, and she is 12 now and beautifull.
You are a moron... It is hypocrisy because you support them being killed. Is it okay for a woman to kill a newborn baby if she is getting poor? Hmm? You pro-choice vegetarians are concerned with other species before your own. What pathetic cunts.
@NewVinland "it okay for a woman to kill a newborn baby if she is getting poor?"
This is the shittiest argument ever. Clearly NO ONE is advocating killing an infant. But a fetus is not an infant, therefore aborting a fetus is not the same as killing a baby that has already been born. Any person with half a brain can understand that.
I'm a pro choice vegan. I find it wrong to eat eggs, and at the same time believe it's right to have the choice to an abortion. First of all, I wouldn't eat eggs primarily because they do not belong to me. It's the chickens. What right do I have to eat a chickens egg? I think a person should take all measurements to not have to have an abortion. But if they feel its necessary. They should. Because it's growing in THEIR BODY. It's coming out their vagina. It's their right as a person.
@OhhhhCanada here is a novel idea...DONT HAVE SEX IF YOU ARE NT READY TO HAVE A CHILD! with the exception of rape pregnancy is 100% avoidable!!!!!!!!!
There is no contradiction with being a prochoice vegetarian. A cow is not a parasite inside an unwilling person's body, it is an individual being sustaining it's own life independently. A fetus is inside a person, using their body to sustain it's life, if the sustaining party is unwilling then they have the right to remove the fetus.
However being a prolife meat eater is a contradiction, a cow being just as alive as a fetus should have a right to life.
@Jessaymae I think calling a fetus a parasite is a bit of an exaggeration don't you think? I mean, a fetus would never have the potential of killing a woman. That is why a parasite is bad in the first place. Plus a parasite will never grow into a human being. Just asking, if a fetus is not a human being and if we have a right to kill it, does that mean we can eat it? Just asking.
@br006DL There are three types of relationships classified, symbiotic, where one organism is helped and the other is unharmed or helped in any way, mutualism, where both organisms benefit, and parasitism, where one organism is helped and the other is harmed. I guess you've never heard of the extreme dangers of pregnancy birth, such as preeclampsia. Have you ever seen a pregnant woman run a mile? No? Because the fetus inside her is DRAINING HER. So physically YES it is a parasite.
@usaf317 Who died and made you lord of all that the light touches? What gives you the right to say that the entire species of cow was put on this planet for the sole purpose of we higher primates mass force breeding them to murder to consume the flesh off their carcasses? You meat eaters are repulsive gluttonous repugnant pigs you know that?
And who the hell put you in charge of people's sex lives? And what's the difference between a consensual sex fetus and a rape fetus? THEY ARE BOTH "ALIVE"
@Jessaymae cows are here for us to eat. ...ont want to eat meat? then dont ...but dont tel the rest of us we have to stop eating meat. and its not murder. i never said that a " a rape fetus" (as you put it) was any less alive then a fetus that was created from consensual sex. i said that pregnancy is 100 % avoidable other than rape...i said nothing about the child created. abortion is murder...humans are more important than any animal.
@usaf317 Abortion isn't murder. A fetus is a parasite being that has no right to be inside of an independent being that doesn't want it there. However, killing an independent being that is sufficiently supporting it's own life for whatever purpose (and that includes eating it's flesh) is murder.
@Jessaymae Fuck there are so many things wrong with that last statement. Are you going to sell this shit off to the Lions in the savannahs who kill to feed? Us killing animals to feed off them is not murder, it's fucking NATURE. If you don't want independent beings that are sufficiently supporting their own life to get killed by others of the same sort, then stop eating altogether you silly girl. Unless you're the kinda vegan that eats only grains, that is simply mindblowingly stupid.
@Jessaymae Wow, "meat eaters", "gluttonous repugnant pigs". Well, let me say you vegans are dumbfuck, self-righteous assholes that seem to have found a holy grail in "saving earth" by not eating any meat. It's a law of nature that the strong eat the weak. If you find it hard to conceive that us humans are omnivores, then why not just abandon all form of clothing and go live in the forest like a good old animal? Survival of the fittest is also all about this.
@Jessaymae Also, to be honest, if you don't like the concept of cows getting mass-murdered for the sole purpose of feeding millions of human beings, then I'm not sure how you put up with the idea of mass-murderering poor little plants to feed you with. They're still "alive" like you say it. I mean, the way you put it, anything that is alive should not be "murdered". Anyways, a "murder" in our society is when someone gets killed. In this case, we humans feed off cows because they taste good.
@Jessaymae There is not a SINGLE conceivable advantage not existent with eating meat that vegans get over us "MEAT EATERS". You make it sound like meat eaters are a variety of human beings much lower than vegans. They're not, they're just people with tastes beyond "This is healthy" and "This is not healthy".
@Jessaymae There you go again calling it "eating flesh of a murdered animal". Let me tell you, we don't only eat its flesh. We eat the whole thing. And yeah, keep calling it murder. Like we should feel guilty for finding animals appetizing.
@Jessaymae I have to say that if vegans come up with the excuse that eating meat is simply nasty, I'll be laughing my ass all the way to hell with a t-bone in my mouth. Because if I ever wanted to go vegan, I'd do it for health reason, not just because meat looks icky.
@Jessaymae One more thing. "Not eating flesh of a murdered animal". So if an animal dies of old age or a sickness, you'd be willing to eat it? Is that what you're saying? If an animal died of natural causes, that would suddenly make meat-eating GOOD? I'm laughing too hard over this.
@SimonSezNo Um, yes. Fucking duh? I am not opposed to others eating flesh if the animal did die of natural causes. I actually even support hunting, you know why? Because that's an actual example of the food chain. I also support animal testing, I recognize that lower mammals are not equal to humans.
HOWEVER I became a vegetarian because of the meat industry here in the first world, mass producing animals just so they can be killed takes a huge toll on our environment, and is repulsive to boot.
@Jessaymae It takes a huge toll on our environment? Where do you get that from? Vegan speeches? I mean let's see here... The pollution from industrial slaughterhouses versus chemical factories? You say that hunting down animals is natural opposed to breeding them so that we can feed off them. An example of the food chain... how is us breeding them to kill them not an example of the food chain? We are stronger, therefore we kill them to feed. We are also smart, so we breed them to have more.
@Jessaymae You seem to despise what's practical. Let's pretend that if we release all of these pigs in nature and all of those cows for us to hunt... They're still gonna die by getting something thrust into their craniums. Either a bullet or a drill. Pick your poison, guys!
@SimonSezNo - Ideally those animals wouldn't exist. No, I do not believe that releasing them back into a wild population would fix the problem that you gluttons have created.
All "food" animals should JUST be a wild population. It's a hell of a lot less disgusting. It's not the way that they are murdered that gets to me personally it's the way they are treated for a lifetime. Mother taken away, raised in fecal matter, screaming, disgusting stuff really. You meat eaters are really bad people.
@SimonSezNo ...that'd be kinda hard with a bullet , cause cow skulls are hard as rock ...maybe a real tough o' slug ll' crack it but ...even then it might take an anti-armor round
@Jessaymae Finally, this sort of thing is OLD FUCKING NEWS. Humans have been breeding animals since the dawn of age. Okay, I guess mass-breeding them can seem cruel and completely "inhuman", although it's a perfectly human thing to do... You became a vegan because of this? You dislike what other humans do to animals, so you decided to stop eating meat? What the hell kind of reason is that? It's like if you were to stop drinking water because it is held in artificial bassins.
@SimonSezNo It's inhumane you retard not "inhuman". Obviously it is a "human" thing to do since humans are doing it.
Eventually human beings evolve, since the dawn of time we have also had human slaves, but do we now in first world countries? Well why the fuck not? We have been doing it since the dawn of time and since neanderthals are such great goddamn character references why don't we?
And it actually DOES make sense to not eat meat when you don't agree with how it was acquired.
There is no contradiction with being pro-choice and vegetarian. However if one was to be pro-choice and vegan that would be amusing. That individual would presumably have an ethical objection to eating a chicken egg, but would not have an objection to destroying a human fetus. This would leave some people scratching their heads.
@Keysteeze As a pro-choicer w/ a nearly vegan diet I disagree. I have no moral objections to eating eggs b/c they have the potential to hatch into chickens. I don't eat them b/c 1) I don't like them, and 2) most eggs are retrieved from farms that have what I consider unethical practices. I suppose I'd be okay w/ free-range eggs although I wouldn't eat them. Just my opinion.
@Keysteeze Very logical assumption. But if one were Vegan, it could be also to allieviate stress from the animals who are force-fed chemicals and artificial growth hormones. A Vegan who is pro choice may just care for the parent animals, not really give a **** about the egg.
@Keysteeze But there's a difference to destroying a fetus to save a life and eating a fetus. Also, it's not just the fetus that vegans object too, it's the way the egg is obtained.
Wrong. The eggs you buy in the grocery store are not fertilized... they have no chicken fetus in them. I have a friend who is a pro-choice vegan (I am a pro-choice vegetarian, btw), and the reason people are vegans has nothing to do with animal fetuses. People are vegans for the same reasons people are vegetarians; it has to do with the treatment of animals in factory farms, and the suffering those animals endure, whether it be laying hens or dairy cows.
@Keysteeze people that are vegan are vegan simply because they don't want to eat animals or any animal biproducts. eggs that they sell at the store are unfertilized and have no similarities to a fetus. It's actually most similar to a woman's period when she releases her own egg.
It has nothing to do with eating a possible baby animal, it has to do with eating an animal bi-product that they are against.
@Keysteeze Theres no contradiction in being vegan and pro-choice. I haven't ever heard one vegan say they refuse eggs because of cruelty towards eggs. Vegans don't eat eggs because to make those eggs chickens are crammed into cages with no where to move and forced to lay eggs for people to eat like machines instead of living beings. Baby male chicks are killed because they can't lay eggs therefore are of "no use" to humans. Milk is the same.
@Keysteeze Cows are raped artificially to become pregnant, in order for them to produce milk like machines, then they have their children ripped away from them and killed (veil), which is very distressing for them as it would be any mother. They too are crammed into small areas. This is no different than human female oppression. Ironically it is the same greedy male dominated system that oppresses animals also oppressing humans.
why is abortion such a big problem? why do people want to be in other people's lives. if i decide to have a child or have a abortion, it does not affect you in anyway. i had an abortion and i was not raped, i was just stupid, and sleeped with a stupid man and there was no way i was about to have a child at 17. so i had an abortion, but i do not understand how people who are pro life could stand outside the clinic and say curel words to me, and these are ppl who love God, i think not.
@TheNanakDev lol i did use a condom, i dont know if it broke or if it fell off but i still came up pregnant. im on birth contol now so i cant get pregnant but if my birth control ever did fail, i would be at the abortion clinic fast. I have at least $500 saved up just in case, i get pregnant, so i can pay for my abortion.
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It's an issue of the woman knowing what's best for her. She has the best knowledge of what her current situation is mental, physical, financial. Self determination is the basis of freedom. The state never knows what's best for the individual!
40 Million people have been wiped of the face of this planet since Roe v Wade, all you people who think you take the moral high ground when your pro-choice, you are no better then slave owners and Nazis. Im not talcking about rape, insets, or to save the mother from death. as for welfare, try arguing murder is justified for economic reasons in a Court of law you wont get far.
@johnnybloom22 I agree with you to some degree because there are women out there who are too lazy to buy condoms, the pill or other types of contraception and abuse the women's right to choose. I only think abortion should be used as a last resort like in cases of rape and/or incest for the reason's Onision stated in this video and for other reasons too.
Are you stupid? Less than .01% of abortions are to save the mothers life, or because of rape or incest. So yes i see a glaring contradiction. You supposedly hold all life sacred, but condone killing a fetus because you don't want the momma on welfare? What a joke.
And for the idiots that say its not a life, well the fetus can fell pain just like you precious animals. And here's a clue, if you left it ALONE it will become a "life".
@XxlolcakezxX Actually, according to The Physical and Psycho-Social effects of Abortion on Women: A Report by the Commission of Inquiry into the Operation and Consequences of The Abortion Act, June 1994...Between 1967 and 1990, only 151 abortions had been carried out to save the mother's life, a figure amounting to 0.004% of all abortions.
@bosesucks At the stage that a fetus is killed in, it's no more intelligent, no more sentient, no more human that say, a large wood beetle. Just because it has human DNA doesn't make it human.
@VRocks a human foetus is in every sense human refer to any medical medical journal. I think your trying to say is a foetus isn't a person and life doesn't begin at conception. while you believe its not a human life, you can never know that its not.
picture two guys it the woods hunting deer, there's a rustle they cant see what made it but one of them raises his rifle... the other guy say's what if it's a human? but he shoots it any way, he assumes its not ... who's behaving ethically here?
@an0m0nus TERRIBLE analogy. I questioned even dignifying it with a response.. DNA doesn't make someone human, again. Not sentient enough to be given the same rights as a fully developed, self-aware, intelligent and aspiring human.
@Virginityrocks well it clearly its human that might, perhaps, might not grant the rights granted to developed human or make it "a" human but it is human (as a plural).
just like blood cells aren't a person to be given the same rights as a person but their human just like any other cell from any human on earth.
to me life begins at conception but you don't have to think that to accept that at any stage of development those cells are human.
@Virginityrocks Wow, how ignorant are you? You can legally abort a fetus that has a 95%+ chance of surviving outside the womb, but I guess that "fetus" that could live on it's own is about as worthy as a large wood beetle. LOL, Ignoramus.
And I have to add one other thing that proves you are not only contradicting yourself but proving yourself to be a very ignorant person. How can you or anyone judge the face of a new born? That new person did not choose a face, so how can you say anyone has the moral authority, even the mother, to deny the right of that newborn's life based on a pety resemblence to the rapist. Shame on you Onision. Oh and by the way, Hitler was a vegetarian...and no he didn't eat human fetuses lol!
HUGE contradiction. Onision says that the only way vegetarians would be hypocrites is IF they ate human fetuses. Then he nonchalantly goes on to lump justifications for abortion based on social issues such as rape and welfare and compares those seperate issues to the ultimatum of saving a woman's life...or a cow's? Well Onision, vegetarians don't eat human fetuses, or cows for that matter, and guess what, cows aren't on welfare or get raped either. However vegetarians do rape and are on welfare
If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. If you need an abortion, have one. Not that hard, is it? P.S. No guy should be Pro-Life unless they have crapped out a brick or pissed out a tennis ball. That's almost what giving birth feels like. Once you do that, and you know the pain women go through, you can tell them that they have to have the baby. until then, please, Pro-Life guys, STFU!
@jewNasianproductions If we criminalized abortions, you can bet there would be a lot more babies up for adoption than there are infertile couples out there. So I guess for your plan to work, we'd have to have mandatory adoptions. Can we call you personally next time a woman has a baby she doesn't want? If you believe in it so strongly, YOU raise the kid until he/she turns 18.
So what your saying is I can kill my baby if I no longer what to deal with decisions I MADE? Rape is a different story granted! but when you are sleeping with someone and choose not to use birth control I don't see abortion as a VALID solution because "Oh NO, Imma have to grow up and act like a fucking adult!" there is adoption and then you could actually take responsibility for your actions! HEY THERE'S AN IDEA! RESPONSIBILITY!
@BKIPRODUCTIONS Mothers Body, Mothers Choice. It don't really matter what anyone else wants, it's what the Mother wants. If she doesn't want that Fetus in her body anymore then she has every right to get it out.
some vegetarians do eat eggs. (Ovo Lacto). There IS a contradiction when you're talking about VEGANS. 99% of them are pro choice, yet don't want anyone to eat eggs. That's the very epitomy of hypocritical.
@jjrants Why is that hypocritical? The eggs you buy in the supermarket aren't "baby chickens." You do know that right? What most vegans are against is the enslaving of the chickens, living a life as a product, being mistreated in the name of humans having eggs.
@deadpanrookie 1) no shit they aren't fertilized. 2) Bullshit. Vegans would STILL bitch about eating eggs if it were from a single chicken with an entire acre. One vegan actually commented that "it might emotionally upset the chicken", when farmers use golf balls half the time to induce laying eggs.
It doesn't change the fact that most vegans ARE pro choice, and an aborted embryo or fetus IS a fertilized egg. The chicken example doesn't even have to be used to prove how hypocritical they are.
@jjrants when then why did you pick that example to use? i don't think most vegans are pro-choice. i'd say it's probably 50-50 on the subject. i am opposed to the factory farming industry but i am pro-choice. but if a woman had as many abortions as possible and she not only aborted the fetus, but somehow tortured and mistreated it all the way up until the abortion, and the more abortions she had, the more money she made. then yeah, I'd be against that. just wanted to make the comparison fair.
this guy is gayer than aids
yarfness69 5 days ago
I didn't understand one thing that you just said..... :/
Swedengirl4 1 month ago
YES
MtthwSmmns 2 months ago
VEGETARIANS THUMBS UP!!
willowslade 2 months ago 4
@zac030101 I beleive the way you talk when you aren't stupid is "were you"
emmahzification 2 months ago
@emmahzification You should really start spelling words correctly and ending sentences with periods when trying to prove somebody wrong.
mrvideogamevideos 2 weeks ago in playlist Vegetarianism
was you born stupid or did you have to work at it? if a woman was raped, of course she should be able to have an abortion if she wants, but if she just got on her back for the hell of it then its not a choice. she had the CHOICE to stay off her back and keep her legs shut. oh, btw, if its not a baby, she's not pregnant. and if you really think god is pro choice then you truely are braindead. im sure your parents are proud.
zac030101 2 months ago
@zac030101 Oh that's right, I forgot, women are only baby making machines and should in no way ever have sex for pleasure. Fuck off. How come it's her fault? Why didn't HE keep it in his pants? Or is he not responsible because he is the owner of the mighty, superior penis?
TheRumkitty 5 days ago
@TheRumkitty wrong, women are life support systems for a pussy. but if they dont open their legs they dont get pregnant. its that simple. and if you are going too, at least have a brain and use procection. just a thought.
zac030101 5 days ago
@zac030101 No, women are human beings who have sexual urges, just like men. Oh, and proTection doesn't always work, you sexist piece of shit. People have gotten knocked up whilst using condoms AND the pill. Nothing is 100% apart from a hysterectomy. I'll do what I fucking choose to with my body and you keep your nose out of other people's business. I am so sick of hearing how men get a free pass and women get told to "close their legs" it is the most juvenile argument in the world.
TheRumkitty 5 days ago
@TheRumkitty really? its the most factual argument in the world. like it or not, nothing happens till you open your legs. if your gonna play the game the be willing to pay the price and consenquence. im always amazed by people like you. ya dont have a problem killing a baby, but putting a murderer down, oh we cant have that. btw if its not a baby, your not pregnant. and if you think you have the right to kill a baby then someone has the right to kill you without punishment, right?
zac030101 3 days ago
@zac030101 No, NOT a factual argument, it takes 2 to tango, so why is the man absolved of blame? Do you know what absolved means? Because your shitty spelling leads me to believe you're a moron. Who said I was against capital punishment? Also, a foetus is NOT a baby. Learn some biology. An 8 week foetus has more in common with a damn tadpole than a child. I have hopes, feelings, fears, thoughts, dreams and people that love me. A foetus cannot even feel pain. That's the difference.
TheRumkitty 3 days ago
@TheRumkitty yeah it is factual, and my spelling huh. what the hell is a foetus? btw, the man cant do anything till you open you legs honey. good luck being dumber than dogshit.
zac030101 3 days ago
@zac030101 Lol, it doesn't surprise me that you don't know what a foetus is being so ignorant of biology...and yes foetus is a correct spelling of the word. And a woman can't get pregnant until a MAN flops his dick out. So we come back to it being 50/50. Unless you are arguing that immaculate conception exists, your argument has absolutely no basis in truth. TWO people create a baby, women don't just grow them like we grow our hair, dipshit.
TheRumkitty 3 days ago
@TheRumkitty a man can pull his dick out all he wants but until you open your legs nothing happens. i mean look hooker, you can whore it up all you want. again, if its not a baby your not pregnant. at least be woman enough to except responsibility of your actions. but, thats too much to ask i guess. il guess we got to put you in the column of shoulda been a blowjob.
zac030101 1 day ago
@zac030101 You are a moron. Sex takes two people. Two people are responsible. Therefore it's 50/50. Basic biology dictates this. It's not the responsibility of the woman to prevent sex or use contraception, it's the responsibility of both. Only little boys refuse to admit responsibility for their action. I think you mean "accept responsibility for your actions". Don't know why I am arguing with such an illiterate retard. When men take responsibility I will too. An acorn is not a tree.
TheRumkitty 1 day ago
@zac030101 I'm guessing from your attitude you've never had a fucking blowjob. Who would want to fuck you??? Except another misogynist male maybe.
TheRumkitty 1 day ago
@zac030101 Bottom line, when you can get knocked up you can have a valid opinion on abortion. I do my best to stay not pregnant, but you can bet your sorry ass if I do get pregnant, I'll be aborting it. Thankfully I live in a country where pro-life retards haven't taken over all levels of government, so it's not and will never be an issue where I live.
TheRumkitty 1 day ago
@TheRumkitty sadly your mother didnt abort an idiot like you. but as you well know, any woman that can kill her own isnt worth shit anyway. oh, let me guess, your against the death penalty too. maybe you should do us all a favor and abort everytime so you cant pass on the stupid gene.
zac030101 23 hours ago
@zac030101 How sad that you need to resort to insults because your argument isn't worth shit. And no, you'd be wrong (as always) about my opinions on the death penalty. I've figured it out, you never get any. You hate women so much, you clearly want to take it up the ass from guys, which is fine, except none of them want to be with you.
TheRumkitty 20 hours ago
@TheRumkitty was you born stupid or did you have to work at it?
zac030101 18 hours ago
@zac030101 I am not the one with the spelling and grammar of a dyslexic four year old. Pretty sure you're the stupid one, and a stupid person with no argument, no less.
TheRumkitty 17 hours ago
@zac030101 Also, you, you're, your. Look up the difference. Because your illiteracy makes you look really stupid.
TheRumkitty 20 hours ago
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animalabusinglosers5 2 months ago
cont. Mama cow: Even veternarians have the sensibility to try to save both. In fact if this case were to arise in animals, they'd probably try to save the one with the best chance of survival; in early stages, the mother, because neither can survive without the mother, but I wouldn't guarantee their response in later stages. Abortion is most often done with the purpose of eliminating a living thing, not saving one.
fizzingwhizbeee 2 months ago
"if they eat human fetuses"
Then there would be less of a contradiction, no? The fact that we eat them is the only justification I can see for killing animals. Circle of life and what not. "gotta steal to eat, gotta eat to live, tell you all about it when I got the time" -Aladdin. Unborn children are killed because the mother isn't ready for a child. She was unprepared. Or the less than 1% trouble cases you choicers focus on that could clearly be exempted by a judge. cont.
fizzingwhizbeee 2 months ago
Not watching your videos anymore because you are "pro-choice." I'm a real vegan. I care about all life.
Mdmoisell 3 months ago in playlist Vegetarianism
of course Onision is pro-death., It's, "trendy", plus he don't want to pay for no damn kid.
rickster348 3 months ago
@rickster348 Did you listen to anything he said in this video?
Nat4Brendan 3 months ago
He made a valid point.
LatinoHeatMexico 3 months ago
i support abortion
i support eating meat
so im no hypocrite my conscience is clear
kilkolio 4 months ago
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Respond to this video... Do you not think out your stupid nonsense before you type and post it.
Onision always speaks of circumstance. If you are on the verge of death (preg-o birth failure or veggie starving) you go against what you believe for your life.
chriStopHerSoto 4 months ago
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chriStopHerSoto 4 months ago
this is retarded. peta people r freaks...
yarfness69 4 months ago
@yarfness69
It's only retarded because you know you're wrong hahahahaha!
chriStopHerSoto 4 months ago
@chriStopHerSoto yeah, thats why i disagree, because i know i am wrong.. good logic botard. Fuckin dumbass
yarfness69 2 months ago
rape. what a fool. i hate democrats
aqueenowlbee 5 months ago
@msanimalliberation
cows are raped in the wild...
MattHXIV 5 months ago
theres only hypocracy if the vegan has a problem with people who arent vegan
MattHXIV 5 months ago
im pro choice and vegetarian! :)
geNevaxgummybeArs 5 months ago in playlist Vegetarianism
@sovietkomrades At 6 months the baby can live on its own, it is a real person because without the help of the mother it can survie. That is why it is concedered murder. Most people do NOT kill the baby after 6 months. Mostly even befor it can feel pain,have lungs, or have a brain. It's the MOTHERS choice on what she wants to do with her body. if you dontt like it then don't get an abortion when you get knocked up.
oOToStopANightmareOo 5 months ago
@Keysteeze I'm vegan and pro-choice. Really all because we are people and we have the CHOICE to do whatever we want with out bodys. But I don't think having an abortion because someone made you or making you give up the baby under someone elses chocie is not cool.
oOToStopANightmareOo 5 months ago
Whats hipocrititical is judging others. I am personally a pro life vegan. I would always discourage a choice that envolves the murder of both animal or human. But in the end , I do not judge a meat eater or a abortionist. I love all sentient beings. Nobodys perfect.
ACEN111 6 months ago
Humans/fetuses are animals too. Are you really vegetarian if you support killing a specific animal, even if you don't plan on eating it? I'm vegetarian and pro-life.
TheTechnoPrincess 6 months ago
most abortions are not for those reasons...
MattHXIV 6 months ago
yes
ChromeFlames0 6 months ago
this fucking silly and hilariousger they r fight to get right ....hahahhahaha
bkksugarsyrup 7 months ago
"I don't see a contradiction anywhere in this video, do you?"
I was expecting him to hold up some Starburst. Hahaha.
Chris73194 7 months ago
@Chris73194 Vegetarians don't eat starbursts :3
ThisIsScottsMusic 7 months ago
@ThisIsScottsMusic Oh. Haha. Thank you for educating me. :P
Chris73194 7 months ago
@ThisIsScottsMusic So true!
xso61673 2 months ago
I'm vegetarian and very much pro choice so thank you for this.
icedevil0289 7 months ago
I personally see a correlation between a diety choice and a social issue.
zharlow5301 7 months ago 10
Killing babies is bad!
BlueRivaly 8 months ago
Hell yeah.
SkyyBloo6666 8 months ago
Oh I like the people who are pro-choice and against execution. So its not ok to kill a murderer but it is ok to kill an innocent child. I just blew your mind.
ryancicocki 8 months ago
im a vegetarian&pro choice too (:
letsloveearth 9 months ago
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john17972 9 months ago
@john17972 In my honest opinion and from the research I heard of, it's a but longer than that. Up until the 6th month, the fetus can't feel pain, I've heard. I also don't believe it can think until either the 8th-9th month or a bit after birth. But I don't know much about mental developent at the early stages, to be quite honest.
vgman94 8 months ago
@vgman94 The "six month" statistic is based on medieval logic. I'm pretty sure that as soon as the baby has a nervous system it can feel pain. Besides, it's not about the pain argument anyway, it's about the fact that you are killing a human. People have had babies prematurely at six months and they have survived. If they were killed in the womb at 6 months, that's ok. But if they are born out of the womb at six months and then murdered, that's illegal? Where is the logic in that one?
sovietkomrades 8 months ago
@komrade "Fetal awareness of noxious stimuli requires functional thalamocortical connections. Thalamocortical fibers begin appearing between 23 to 30 weeks gestational age, while electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in preterm neonates probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks." -Fetal Pain A Systematic Multidisciplinary Review of the Evidence, 2005, JAMA Rosen et al. This is science, not "logic". Name a person who was born at 6-months and survived.
vgman94 8 months ago
@vgman94 During the past several decades, neonatal care has improved with advances in medical science, and therefore the limit of viability has moved earlier.[10] As of 2006, the two youngest children to survive premature birth are thought to be James Elgin Gill (born on 20 May 1987 in Ottawa, Canada, at 21 weeks and 5 days gestational age),[11][12] and Amillia Taylor (born on 24 October 2006 in Miami, Florida, at 21 weeks and 6 days gestational age). 20 weeks= approx 5 months
sovietkomrades 8 months ago
@vgman94 That study isn't 100% accepted, obviously if someone can be born at 23 weeks and survive, they can probably feel pain. learn your facts haha love making killers angry XD
sovietkomrades 8 months ago
@sovietkomrades I heard of another study (by a pro-lifer, no less) that said the fetus can't feel pain until 13-14 weeks. Possibly 15, but 'm not sure. Either way, it allows for ample time to get an abortion anyway. Also, considier the technology we have now, we could probably save someone at 5 months. This doesn't automatically mean they can feel pain, albeit it doesn't disprove you at all since 6 months is when they start feeling pain. So at 6 months, a fetus could be a person to some experts.
vgman94 8 months ago
baby shot in head = fetus ripped apart with machine. it may not be a baby just yet but it would have been so what the fuck
yummyumms96 9 months ago
I'm pro choice and also a vegetarian. What I do with my body is my choice, I personally would not have an abortion and I choose to not eat meat because I don't see the point in killing an animal when I live very happily on a vegetarian diet. However if another woman decides that abortion is what is best for her that's her choice, just as someone eating meat it their choice.
bubbsyg 9 months ago
@bubbsyg The baby isn't part of your body...
sovietkomrades 8 months ago
Is it the babies fault it's mother got raped? The innocent infant that hasn't seen it's mommy yet? Hasn't had love? And warmth in it's mothers arms? Would the child not help it's mother in hard times?Can a baby alone stop it's mothers rape before it is conceived? Killing your own child? You won't kill a cow for food? But you will kill an infant before it can take it's first breath? Doesn't the baby have a good chance of being raped itself?Isn't that like killing a bird Simply for wanting to fly?
IWasBornStupid 9 months ago
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IWasBornStupid 9 months ago
If it's going to make here go on welfare....you are so ignorant, well, then maybe she/he shouldn't be spreading their legs and @#$%$# if they are not going to use birth control, or take responsibility for a human life if she gets pregnant. It's E-Z for you to say these things.....YOUR ALIVE......what about the helpless, choiceless baby?
habitualstudios 9 months ago
"If it's going to make her go on welfare"...that's your reason killing a baby is worth it? "If it has the face of the person who raped her"...Hey, here is an answer for you, Give the baby up for adoption. That is the only right choice there is. Use morallity when thinking of abortion. It is wrong to kill a baby for any reason. Just give it up for adoption. I had a friend who was raped, she had the baby, and she is 12 now and beautifull.
habitualstudios 9 months ago
You are a moron... It is hypocrisy because you support them being killed. Is it okay for a woman to kill a newborn baby if she is getting poor? Hmm? You pro-choice vegetarians are concerned with other species before your own. What pathetic cunts.
NewVinland 10 months ago
@NewVinland "it okay for a woman to kill a newborn baby if she is getting poor?"
This is the shittiest argument ever. Clearly NO ONE is advocating killing an infant. But a fetus is not an infant, therefore aborting a fetus is not the same as killing a baby that has already been born. Any person with half a brain can understand that.
Next argument genius?
niknik2203 9 months ago
Get a haircut.
hironeden 10 months ago
pro-choice VEGitarian or pro-choice VAGitarian.........i put it this to you sir :)
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
@usaf317 I actually don't have sex for that very reason.
OhhhhCanada 1 year ago
I'm a pro choice vegan. I find it wrong to eat eggs, and at the same time believe it's right to have the choice to an abortion. First of all, I wouldn't eat eggs primarily because they do not belong to me. It's the chickens. What right do I have to eat a chickens egg? I think a person should take all measurements to not have to have an abortion. But if they feel its necessary. They should. Because it's growing in THEIR BODY. It's coming out their vagina. It's their right as a person.
OhhhhCanada 1 year ago
@OhhhhCanada here is a novel idea...DONT HAVE SEX IF YOU ARE NT READY TO HAVE A CHILD! with the exception of rape pregnancy is 100% avoidable!!!!!!!!!
usaf317 1 year ago
I agree with everything Onision has ever said in any of his videos. He is just awesome!
niveksteehs100 1 year ago
There is no contradiction with being a prochoice vegetarian. A cow is not a parasite inside an unwilling person's body, it is an individual being sustaining it's own life independently. A fetus is inside a person, using their body to sustain it's life, if the sustaining party is unwilling then they have the right to remove the fetus.
However being a prolife meat eater is a contradiction, a cow being just as alive as a fetus should have a right to life.
Jessaymae 1 year ago
@Jessaymae I think calling a fetus a parasite is a bit of an exaggeration don't you think? I mean, a fetus would never have the potential of killing a woman. That is why a parasite is bad in the first place. Plus a parasite will never grow into a human being. Just asking, if a fetus is not a human being and if we have a right to kill it, does that mean we can eat it? Just asking.
br006DL 1 year ago
@br006DL There are three types of relationships classified, symbiotic, where one organism is helped and the other is unharmed or helped in any way, mutualism, where both organisms benefit, and parasitism, where one organism is helped and the other is harmed. I guess you've never heard of the extreme dangers of pregnancy birth, such as preeclampsia. Have you ever seen a pregnant woman run a mile? No? Because the fetus inside her is DRAINING HER. So physically YES it is a parasite.
Jessaymae 1 year ago
@Jessaymae No, I actually haven't. Thanks for the info.
br006DL 1 year ago
@Jessaymae unless you are raped then pregnancy is 100 % avoidable...so if you have sex then you must want a child! the stork doesnt bring babies.
cows were put here for us to eat.
usaf317 1 year ago
@usaf317 Who died and made you lord of all that the light touches? What gives you the right to say that the entire species of cow was put on this planet for the sole purpose of we higher primates mass force breeding them to murder to consume the flesh off their carcasses? You meat eaters are repulsive gluttonous repugnant pigs you know that?
And who the hell put you in charge of people's sex lives? And what's the difference between a consensual sex fetus and a rape fetus? THEY ARE BOTH "ALIVE"
Jessaymae 1 year ago
@Jessaymae cows are here for us to eat. ...ont want to eat meat? then dont ...but dont tel the rest of us we have to stop eating meat. and its not murder. i never said that a " a rape fetus" (as you put it) was any less alive then a fetus that was created from consensual sex. i said that pregnancy is 100 % avoidable other than rape...i said nothing about the child created. abortion is murder...humans are more important than any animal.
usaf317 1 year ago
@usaf317 Abortion isn't murder. A fetus is a parasite being that has no right to be inside of an independent being that doesn't want it there. However, killing an independent being that is sufficiently supporting it's own life for whatever purpose (and that includes eating it's flesh) is murder.
Jessaymae 1 year ago
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@Jessaymae it is clear that you are a moron.
i have to go now. ...its time to eat a tasty cow for lunch.
usaf317 1 year ago
@Jessaymae Fuck there are so many things wrong with that last statement. Are you going to sell this shit off to the Lions in the savannahs who kill to feed? Us killing animals to feed off them is not murder, it's fucking NATURE. If you don't want independent beings that are sufficiently supporting their own life to get killed by others of the same sort, then stop eating altogether you silly girl. Unless you're the kinda vegan that eats only grains, that is simply mindblowingly stupid.
SimonSezNo 11 months ago
@Jessaymae Wow, "meat eaters", "gluttonous repugnant pigs". Well, let me say you vegans are dumbfuck, self-righteous assholes that seem to have found a holy grail in "saving earth" by not eating any meat. It's a law of nature that the strong eat the weak. If you find it hard to conceive that us humans are omnivores, then why not just abandon all form of clothing and go live in the forest like a good old animal? Survival of the fittest is also all about this.
SimonSezNo 11 months ago
@Jessaymae Also, to be honest, if you don't like the concept of cows getting mass-murdered for the sole purpose of feeding millions of human beings, then I'm not sure how you put up with the idea of mass-murderering poor little plants to feed you with. They're still "alive" like you say it. I mean, the way you put it, anything that is alive should not be "murdered". Anyways, a "murder" in our society is when someone gets killed. In this case, we humans feed off cows because they taste good.
SimonSezNo 11 months ago
@Jessaymae There is not a SINGLE conceivable advantage not existent with eating meat that vegans get over us "MEAT EATERS". You make it sound like meat eaters are a variety of human beings much lower than vegans. They're not, they're just people with tastes beyond "This is healthy" and "This is not healthy".
SimonSezNo 11 months ago
@SimonSezNo You make it sound like we vegetarians are eating out of pure health reasons, not just "not eating flesh of a murdered animal".
Jessaymae 11 months ago
@Jessaymae There you go again calling it "eating flesh of a murdered animal". Let me tell you, we don't only eat its flesh. We eat the whole thing. And yeah, keep calling it murder. Like we should feel guilty for finding animals appetizing.
SimonSezNo 11 months ago
@Jessaymae I have to say that if vegans come up with the excuse that eating meat is simply nasty, I'll be laughing my ass all the way to hell with a t-bone in my mouth. Because if I ever wanted to go vegan, I'd do it for health reason, not just because meat looks icky.
SimonSezNo 11 months ago
@Jessaymae One more thing. "Not eating flesh of a murdered animal". So if an animal dies of old age or a sickness, you'd be willing to eat it? Is that what you're saying? If an animal died of natural causes, that would suddenly make meat-eating GOOD? I'm laughing too hard over this.
SimonSezNo 11 months ago
@SimonSezNo Um, yes. Fucking duh? I am not opposed to others eating flesh if the animal did die of natural causes. I actually even support hunting, you know why? Because that's an actual example of the food chain. I also support animal testing, I recognize that lower mammals are not equal to humans.
HOWEVER I became a vegetarian because of the meat industry here in the first world, mass producing animals just so they can be killed takes a huge toll on our environment, and is repulsive to boot.
Jessaymae 11 months ago
@Jessaymae It takes a huge toll on our environment? Where do you get that from? Vegan speeches? I mean let's see here... The pollution from industrial slaughterhouses versus chemical factories? You say that hunting down animals is natural opposed to breeding them so that we can feed off them. An example of the food chain... how is us breeding them to kill them not an example of the food chain? We are stronger, therefore we kill them to feed. We are also smart, so we breed them to have more.
SimonSezNo 11 months ago
@Jessaymae You seem to despise what's practical. Let's pretend that if we release all of these pigs in nature and all of those cows for us to hunt... They're still gonna die by getting something thrust into their craniums. Either a bullet or a drill. Pick your poison, guys!
SimonSezNo 11 months ago
@SimonSezNo - Ideally those animals wouldn't exist. No, I do not believe that releasing them back into a wild population would fix the problem that you gluttons have created.
All "food" animals should JUST be a wild population. It's a hell of a lot less disgusting. It's not the way that they are murdered that gets to me personally it's the way they are treated for a lifetime. Mother taken away, raised in fecal matter, screaming, disgusting stuff really. You meat eaters are really bad people.
Jessaymae 11 months ago
@SimonSezNo ...that'd be kinda hard with a bullet , cause cow skulls are hard as rock ...maybe a real tough o' slug ll' crack it but ...even then it might take an anti-armor round
weare1in6billion 10 months ago
@Jessaymae Finally, this sort of thing is OLD FUCKING NEWS. Humans have been breeding animals since the dawn of age. Okay, I guess mass-breeding them can seem cruel and completely "inhuman", although it's a perfectly human thing to do... You became a vegan because of this? You dislike what other humans do to animals, so you decided to stop eating meat? What the hell kind of reason is that? It's like if you were to stop drinking water because it is held in artificial bassins.
SimonSezNo 11 months ago
@SimonSezNo It's inhumane you retard not "inhuman". Obviously it is a "human" thing to do since humans are doing it.
Eventually human beings evolve, since the dawn of time we have also had human slaves, but do we now in first world countries? Well why the fuck not? We have been doing it since the dawn of time and since neanderthals are such great goddamn character references why don't we?
And it actually DOES make sense to not eat meat when you don't agree with how it was acquired.
Jessaymae 11 months ago
This guy is retarded.
jamesmattking1 1 year ago
@jamesmattking1 It's the lack of meat that causes retardism.
A0Refrigerator 1 year ago
More simply put, many of us vegetarians/vegans are against suffering. It's not right to inflict suffering on another.
This simple fact explains why many anti-veg arguments are silly.
whackowitch 1 year ago
paradox
gangstanikes 1 year ago
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gangstanikes 1 year ago
Save the mum? But veal is so much more tender...
humancondition28 1 year ago
@humancondition28 wow that is sick and twisted.
Karshidoo 1 year ago
@humancondition28 Monster
oysteinre 1 year ago
@oysteinre provoking veggies/onision fans is fun :)
humancondition28 1 year ago
@humancondition28 rofl
micegogrr 1 year ago
@humancondition28 i don't even know what to say to you. That is sick. SICK.
maddieisawesome21 1 year ago
There is no contradiction with being pro-choice and vegetarian. However if one was to be pro-choice and vegan that would be amusing. That individual would presumably have an ethical objection to eating a chicken egg, but would not have an objection to destroying a human fetus. This would leave some people scratching their heads.
Keysteeze 1 year ago 20
@Keysteeze As a pro-choicer w/ a nearly vegan diet I disagree. I have no moral objections to eating eggs b/c they have the potential to hatch into chickens. I don't eat them b/c 1) I don't like them, and 2) most eggs are retrieved from farms that have what I consider unethical practices. I suppose I'd be okay w/ free-range eggs although I wouldn't eat them. Just my opinion.
MassLiberal1 1 year ago
@Keysteeze Very logical assumption. But if one were Vegan, it could be also to allieviate stress from the animals who are force-fed chemicals and artificial growth hormones. A Vegan who is pro choice may just care for the parent animals, not really give a **** about the egg.
vgman94 8 months ago
@Keysteeze But there's a difference to destroying a fetus to save a life and eating a fetus. Also, it's not just the fetus that vegans object too, it's the way the egg is obtained.
shellshocknine 8 months ago
@Keysteeze
Wrong. The eggs you buy in the grocery store are not fertilized... they have no chicken fetus in them. I have a friend who is a pro-choice vegan (I am a pro-choice vegetarian, btw), and the reason people are vegans has nothing to do with animal fetuses. People are vegans for the same reasons people are vegetarians; it has to do with the treatment of animals in factory farms, and the suffering those animals endure, whether it be laying hens or dairy cows.
swimmer24100 7 months ago
@Keysteeze people that are vegan are vegan simply because they don't want to eat animals or any animal biproducts. eggs that they sell at the store are unfertilized and have no similarities to a fetus. It's actually most similar to a woman's period when she releases her own egg.
It has nothing to do with eating a possible baby animal, it has to do with eating an animal bi-product that they are against.
vegans will not drink milk for the same reason.
so being a vegan and pro-choice is also fine.
skinandbonesx 7 months ago
@Keysteeze Theres no contradiction in being vegan and pro-choice. I haven't ever heard one vegan say they refuse eggs because of cruelty towards eggs. Vegans don't eat eggs because to make those eggs chickens are crammed into cages with no where to move and forced to lay eggs for people to eat like machines instead of living beings. Baby male chicks are killed because they can't lay eggs therefore are of "no use" to humans. Milk is the same.
MsAnimalLiberation 5 months ago
@Keysteeze Cows are raped artificially to become pregnant, in order for them to produce milk like machines, then they have their children ripped away from them and killed (veil), which is very distressing for them as it would be any mother. They too are crammed into small areas. This is no different than human female oppression. Ironically it is the same greedy male dominated system that oppresses animals also oppressing humans.
MsAnimalLiberation 5 months ago
why is abortion such a big problem? why do people want to be in other people's lives. if i decide to have a child or have a abortion, it does not affect you in anyway. i had an abortion and i was not raped, i was just stupid, and sleeped with a stupid man and there was no way i was about to have a child at 17. so i had an abortion, but i do not understand how people who are pro life could stand outside the clinic and say curel words to me, and these are ppl who love God, i think not.
keyki421 1 year ago
@keyki421 uhhhh, we do have condoms. Ever think of those?
TheNanakDev 1 year ago
@TheNanakDev lol i did use a condom, i dont know if it broke or if it fell off but i still came up pregnant. im on birth contol now so i cant get pregnant but if my birth control ever did fail, i would be at the abortion clinic fast. I have at least $500 saved up just in case, i get pregnant, so i can pay for my abortion.
keyki421 1 year ago
@keyki421 Oh, if you used a condom the abortion is ok. Then again, I don't mind abortions.
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IFYOUREPLYYOUL0SE 1 year ago
@keyki421
You're right, it's not the ones who love God who say this to you, because the bible tells them not to.
If it's a Christian badmouthing you for this action, they are going against God.
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IFYOUREPLYYOUL0SE 1 year ago
It's an issue of the woman knowing what's best for her. She has the best knowledge of what her current situation is mental, physical, financial. Self determination is the basis of freedom. The state never knows what's best for the individual!
jgs1122 1 year ago
40 Million people have been wiped of the face of this planet since Roe v Wade, all you people who think you take the moral high ground when your pro-choice, you are no better then slave owners and Nazis. Im not talcking about rape, insets, or to save the mother from death. as for welfare, try arguing murder is justified for economic reasons in a Court of law you wont get far.
devdoger62 1 year ago
HAHAHAHA - absolutely hilarious -
here's the MO - say quasi stuff - ask whether there are contradictions - to provoke comments -
very clever - others might say AW - [acronym]
CodeMonkeyWithACanon 1 year ago
Using abortion as a form of birth control is wrong
johnnybloom22 1 year ago
@johnnybloom22 I agree with you to some degree because there are women out there who are too lazy to buy condoms, the pill or other types of contraception and abuse the women's right to choose. I only think abortion should be used as a last resort like in cases of rape and/or incest for the reason's Onision stated in this video and for other reasons too.
MedusasLover168 1 year ago
sausage wrapped in bacon on top of steak
ellooo999 1 year ago
@ellooo999 hahahahah that was MEAN
uTubeMakaMeLaugh 1 year ago
Are you stupid? Less than .01% of abortions are to save the mothers life, or because of rape or incest. So yes i see a glaring contradiction. You supposedly hold all life sacred, but condone killing a fetus because you don't want the momma on welfare? What a joke.
And for the idiots that say its not a life, well the fetus can fell pain just like you precious animals. And here's a clue, if you left it ALONE it will become a "life".
bosesucks 1 year ago
@bosesucks where did you get those statistics :)
XxlolcakezxX 1 year ago
@XxlolcakezxX Actually, according to The Physical and Psycho-Social effects of Abortion on Women: A Report by the Commission of Inquiry into the Operation and Consequences of The Abortion Act, June 1994...Between 1967 and 1990, only 151 abortions had been carried out to save the mother's life, a figure amounting to 0.004% of all abortions.
bosesucks 1 year ago
@bosesucks fair enough
XxlolcakezxX 1 year ago
@bosesucks At the stage that a fetus is killed in, it's no more intelligent, no more sentient, no more human that say, a large wood beetle. Just because it has human DNA doesn't make it human.
Virginityrocks 1 year ago
@VRocks a human foetus is in every sense human refer to any medical medical journal. I think your trying to say is a foetus isn't a person and life doesn't begin at conception. while you believe its not a human life, you can never know that its not.
picture two guys it the woods hunting deer, there's a rustle they cant see what made it but one of them raises his rifle... the other guy say's what if it's a human? but he shoots it any way, he assumes its not ... who's behaving ethically here?
an0m0nus 1 year ago
@an0m0nus TERRIBLE analogy. I questioned even dignifying it with a response.. DNA doesn't make someone human, again. Not sentient enough to be given the same rights as a fully developed, self-aware, intelligent and aspiring human.
Virginityrocks 1 year ago
@Virginityrocks well it clearly its human that might, perhaps, might not grant the rights granted to developed human or make it "a" human but it is human (as a plural).
just like blood cells aren't a person to be given the same rights as a person but their human just like any other cell from any human on earth.
to me life begins at conception but you don't have to think that to accept that at any stage of development those cells are human.
Refer to any scientific text seriously
an0m0nus 1 year ago
@Virginityrocks Wow, how ignorant are you? You can legally abort a fetus that has a 95%+ chance of surviving outside the womb, but I guess that "fetus" that could live on it's own is about as worthy as a large wood beetle. LOL, Ignoramus.
bosesucks 1 year ago
@bosesucks 95%? Almost all abortions are done before even the 1st or 2nd trimester. That's less than 1% chance of survival.
Virginityrocks 1 year ago 11
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XN1H1LX 1 year ago
And I have to add one other thing that proves you are not only contradicting yourself but proving yourself to be a very ignorant person. How can you or anyone judge the face of a new born? That new person did not choose a face, so how can you say anyone has the moral authority, even the mother, to deny the right of that newborn's life based on a pety resemblence to the rapist. Shame on you Onision. Oh and by the way, Hitler was a vegetarian...and no he didn't eat human fetuses lol!
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zen699 1 year ago
HUGE contradiction. Onision says that the only way vegetarians would be hypocrites is IF they ate human fetuses. Then he nonchalantly goes on to lump justifications for abortion based on social issues such as rape and welfare and compares those seperate issues to the ultimatum of saving a woman's life...or a cow's? Well Onision, vegetarians don't eat human fetuses, or cows for that matter, and guess what, cows aren't on welfare or get raped either. However vegetarians do rape and are on welfare
zen699 1 year ago
I'm a pro-choice vegetarian too,nice work onision :)
carson27muskrat 1 year ago
@carson27muskrat LOL, you say that like it's a rarity. Most idiot vegetarians are pro-choice.
bosesucks 1 year ago
Interesting, very interesting...
TheRandomCrapSection 1 year ago
Haha. I'm a pro-choice vegetarian. that was great.
KxxKarma 1 year ago
i dont get it. like literally, i dont comprehend what ur saying...i might be stoopeeeed
newportcitybeach 1 year ago
If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. If you need an abortion, have one. Not that hard, is it? P.S. No guy should be Pro-Life unless they have crapped out a brick or pissed out a tennis ball. That's almost what giving birth feels like. Once you do that, and you know the pain women go through, you can tell them that they have to have the baby. until then, please, Pro-Life guys, STFU!
MyManThong 1 year ago
see a contradiction
Theres this thing called adoption, where you can give your baby to another loving family if you dont want it or cant support it.
jewNasianproductions 1 year ago
@jewNasianproductions If we criminalized abortions, you can bet there would be a lot more babies up for adoption than there are infertile couples out there. So I guess for your plan to work, we'd have to have mandatory adoptions. Can we call you personally next time a woman has a baby she doesn't want? If you believe in it so strongly, YOU raise the kid until he/she turns 18.
deadpanrookie 1 year ago
So what your saying is I can kill my baby if I no longer what to deal with decisions I MADE? Rape is a different story granted! but when you are sleeping with someone and choose not to use birth control I don't see abortion as a VALID solution because "Oh NO, Imma have to grow up and act like a fucking adult!" there is adoption and then you could actually take responsibility for your actions! HEY THERE'S AN IDEA! RESPONSIBILITY!
BKIPRODUCTIONS 1 year ago
@BKIPRODUCTIONS Mothers Body, Mothers Choice. It don't really matter what anyone else wants, it's what the Mother wants. If she doesn't want that Fetus in her body anymore then she has every right to get it out.
josephnicholasgallan 1 year ago
some vegetarians do eat eggs. (Ovo Lacto). There IS a contradiction when you're talking about VEGANS. 99% of them are pro choice, yet don't want anyone to eat eggs. That's the very epitomy of hypocritical.
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants Why is that hypocritical? The eggs you buy in the supermarket aren't "baby chickens." You do know that right? What most vegans are against is the enslaving of the chickens, living a life as a product, being mistreated in the name of humans having eggs.
Eggs you buy at the supermarket are unfertilized.
deadpanrookie 1 year ago
@deadpanrookie 1) no shit they aren't fertilized. 2) Bullshit. Vegans would STILL bitch about eating eggs if it were from a single chicken with an entire acre. One vegan actually commented that "it might emotionally upset the chicken", when farmers use golf balls half the time to induce laying eggs.
It doesn't change the fact that most vegans ARE pro choice, and an aborted embryo or fetus IS a fertilized egg. The chicken example doesn't even have to be used to prove how hypocritical they are.
jjrants 1 year ago
@jjrants when then why did you pick that example to use? i don't think most vegans are pro-choice. i'd say it's probably 50-50 on the subject. i am opposed to the factory farming industry but i am pro-choice. but if a woman had as many abortions as possible and she not only aborted the fetus, but somehow tortured and mistreated it all the way up until the abortion, and the more abortions she had, the more money she made. then yeah, I'd be against that. just wanted to make the comparison fair.
deadpanrookie 1 year ago