Fairtax Radio Advertisement / PSA - Radio Question

[NavyBeer]

Do a little test - go tell 500 nursing home patients, or 500 cancer victims, that you are going to put the highest sales tax on earth - on every cent of their medical care.

See how that goes. That's just 500 -- now imagine 3 million irate cancer patients etc.

No exceptions - none. No matter how poor or rich or dead they must pay

Thats why you will never even have a hearing - the idea is goofy as hell, its insane nonsense

[sshepard94]

@NavyBeer

Go back to 1912 and tell everyone that you're going to have income taxes that consume up to 50% or more of a person's income before they get to save $1 for themselves or buy medical care. Tell them that living frugally won't save them on taxes and that if they move away to try and escape the IRS will claim ownership over their labor for up to 10 years post.

Tell everybody that they are a slave to a government who claims first right to their work.

The idea is nuts!

[NavyBeer]

Shep -- my idea? My idea is a flat tax on all income with no deductions. That my idea.

I mean tax ALL income the same as we tax income from work.

Farce Tax is pure bullshit -- you have been fooled moron It sounds great -- but they know its all bullshit, which is why they arent even having hearings in 12 years, why corporations and retailers are against it.

they forgot to tell you suckers its bullshit

[sshepard94]

@NavyBeer

flat tax still requires filing, doesn't tax adjust exports, still grants government a higher claim on your life than you yourself have, still allows for taxes on inflation gains, still can create taxes on unrealized "phantom income" ... Flat Tax is third on my reform list, Fair Tax is #2, replacing the income tax with nothing is #1.

[NavyBeer]

Intellectual this moron. Try to grasp this. Fairtax is a bunch of crap - it's a hoax. Its own leaders know it's a hoax.

Oh sure - you COULD have a federal sales tax to replace all others. Right. But it would be 90% according to real studies -- not 23. Got that.

90%. Why? Because the 23% pretends you can tax the governent and poor people and cancer patients, and all rent. Nonsense.

This is showin in Joint Committee for Taxation Report on Fairtax in 2005.

[sshepard94]

The government already taxes the incomes of poor people and cancer patients. They are taxed before they ever get their paycheck and then they pay all of the embedded corporate taxes at every stage of production to get their treatment.

That, in addition to government intrusion in the health care industry and markets which effectively doubles the cost on everyone, resulting in double the cost for health insurance as well.

Sorry, show me your better idea or shut up.

[NavyBeer]

Sshephard you gullible idiot - you re like the Bernie Madoff client, even AFTER someone shows you his "investments" were a bunch of shit.

No dumb fuck -- Nursing home patients dont fucking pay taxes now idiot. They usuallly are too fucking sick to get a paycheck moron.

You fucks better try telling renters, the sick, nursing home patients about this tax

Oh wait - you fucking dont DARE to tell them -- thats why you avoid hearings under oath like the plague.

[sshepard94]

@NavyBeer

Nursing home patients are often living off of their or their families savings, which is generally tax deferred in 401ks, IRAs or other vehicles. OR, they receive government benefits which are generally indexed for cost for living.

And again, eliminating the income tax levy at all stages of providing service to those people will reduce the overall cost.

Everyone pays taxes out of their paycheck before buying things. This gives them choices instead of just being robbed.

[FairTaxIndiana]

I see NavyBeer has broken out another one of his aliases. Where are your other aliases, bullship detector,farce tax etc? You are well known all through out the internet for your great job of going around and harassing fairtaxers on message boards and youtube with your lies and insults. Must be an exciting life ya got there bud?

[sshepard94]

I wanna know what anti-tax reform lobbying firm FarceTax works for to employ such hyperbolic scare tactics so far removed from an intellectually honest evaluation of all economic consequences of the FairTax.

[NavyBeer]

shep -- someone ought to wake you dumb asses up - your goofy Fairtax is a farce.

Fact is dumb ass, real studies have shown a sales tax to replace all federal taxes WOULD BE 90% or more. Got that retard - 90% or more.

Fairtax lies to you retards by saying it would be 23%. They know that's bullshit and they arent even trying to get hearings under oath - in 13 years!

Whats that tell you -- 100 sponsors, 13 years, and NO FUCKING HEARINGS under oath?? Means its bullshit moron.

[sshepard94]

The TRUTH is that a congressional committee made up their own consumption tax with numerous exclusions and concluded that the tax would need to be 68% (this was NOT the FairTax).

More importantly, none of them were shocked at how high that figure was and figured out that government is too big and intrusive.

It is assumed at this point that NavyBeer and FarceTax are the same person or are closely affiliated.

[NavyBeer]

Shep -- did you read the JCT report -- yes, it says FAIR TAX.

You are right though -- it did say there would be exemptions -- because guess what, there HAS TO be. You cant fucking get cancer victims who are broke to pay 100,000 in sales tax you fucking idiot.

Fairtax pretends everyone will pay all these fucking high taxes. Bullshit retard.

They CANT.

You can't fucking GET 30 billion in sales taxes from sales of new homes dumb fuck - cause people will stop buying new homes

[sshepard94]

@NavyBeer

Smart people are able to make their point without resorting to crass, uneducated language every other word.

It is clear that this NavyBeer buffoon has no grasp of how the FairTax works or the all of the beneficial economic ripples that would result. The great thing about the Internet, everyone can equally show off how bright or how stupid they are.

[NavyBeer]

BRAND new my ass.

Its on cancer surgery dumb ass. Ever get USED cancer surgery? Used drugs?

HOw about rent dumb ass-- ever see used rent? All that would be taxed. You dumb asses would scream bloody murder when you found out the truth -- thats why they have NO intention of passing it or even letting it have hearings under oath.

Just this slick shit nonsense of con job double talk. They know its bullshit. They know you gullibble morons would revolt if you knew the truth.

[sshepard94]

Wellll, you already have money (15.3% + the income tax [up to 35%]) taken out BEFORE paying for those bills. Cost of medical care would come down considerably with government and embedded taxes out of the way. I dunno, FairTaxy opponents generally can only see one Chess move ahead instead of seeing ALL of the positive ripples that would emanate.

[FarceTax]

Do you have ANY idea why they have had NO hearings under oath in 13 years? Because its hox, a farce -- its as phone as that kid in the ballon a few weeks back.

And the leaders know it. No hearings under oath in 13 years? Why?

Because they know its BULLSHIT

[FarceTax]

Untaxes the poor my ass.

Everyone has to pay the HIGHEST sales taxes on earth - -NO exceptions for poor or old. 

So if you get cancer and have 50,000 in sales tax on your operations - you hve to pay tht.

Also -- its a tax on rent, on car insurance, on food, on everything, rich or poor.

[sshepard94]

You already pay the taxes BEFORE you even get your paycheck. You want you're whole paycheck, then you decide or do you want the government just extracting the money by threat of force before you go buy stuff. You're engaging in hyperbolic discussion without regard for the facts or logic.

[NavyBeer]

sshep nonsense -- first idiot, you DONT keep your whole paycheck. I told you - Boortaz and others "clarified" that shit/

For their math to "work" you ALL - EVERYONE -- will have to "donate" what you used to pay in taxes to your employer.

And THEN pay the worlds highest sales tax - on rent, utilities, food, car insurance.

ITs a hoax -- they know its total bullshit - you are being conned. They are NOT trying to pass it. Its literallly a hoax, and they know it.

[sshepard94]

Clarified how? The law doesn't affect state taxes, just Federal. Explain it, don't just make claims you can't back up.

What "donate" issue are you talking about? That's stupid. Are you talking about the employer option to transfer to individuals the 7.6% in employer paid FICA? EXPLAIN yourself.

World's highest sales tax on only BRAND NEW goods and services vs. 50% in income taxes or the world's (2nd) highest corporate tax rate?

You need to back yourself up with facts rather than just lie.

[NavyBeer]

Boortz wrote a long article in Free Republic after he was busted by reporters for his goof pretent math .

He said in the article that the EMPLOYER has to keep the money you used to pay in taxes for prices to "drop" Your EMPLOYER gets to decide what to do with that money -- not you. "your employer will have some decisions to make".

For prices to go down - the employer will have to KEEP that money and lower prices. Funny thats not in the bill or his other BS.

They know its all BS.

[sshepard94]

That's not true. Your just talking about the FICA portion that they already contribute "on your behalf" and that doesn't account for the full impact of costs dropping. There is the corporate income taxes all the way through production as well as the massive compliance costs.

You're misunderstanding the impact of what was said.