LOL You guys cracked me up. When do you sleep?? Seriously though, this is what all kids need. 2 parents who love, care for, and cherish them. Moms, Dad's whatever..at the end of the day, it's love and devotion that matter, and there is plenty of that in this family. Huge hugs, all of you.
With Foster-adoption, you get what you're given. They were never allocated girls. When they were offered boys, they said "We wanna be parents, we'll take the first children you offer us!"
Racism, Homophobia? Seriously All I Gotta Say Is What There Doing Is The Right Thing, What There Doing Is Soo Wonderful, This Video Made My Day[: - Keep Rocking You Guys.!
NOW IM PISSED OFF REALLY 2 WHITE FAGS RAISING BLACK CHILDREN FUCK NO IF SLAVERY WASN'T ENOUGH, THIS IS WHY AMERICA IS FUCKED UP I CAN'T EVEN WATCH IT. OH HE'S A REVEREND NO HE ISN'T GOD LOOKS UPON HOMOSEXUALITY AS AN ABOMINATION. SATAN IS A HOMO AND THIS PROVES SATAN HAS DEFILED THE CHURCH. THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL WHY DO THEY HAVE ALL BOYS?? JUST TO MOLEST THEIR BODIES AND THEIR MINDS THERE SHOULD BE A LAW AGAINST THIS BULLSHIT. IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD NOT 2 GAY HOMOS SMFH ON THIS ONE
He's a Unitarian Universalist reverend. Not all U.Us believe in God. U.Us aren't even a Christian denomination. Its a completely different religion focused on peace and tolerance- something you know nothing about.
They only have boys because thats what the State gave them.
But you're a troll- I'm only answering for the benefit of other readers.
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Obvious appeal to pity fallacy in the title, using a loaded term "homophobia", sad violin music just begging you to feel empathy and forget all logic.
Well, until people stop marginalising us like you do, maybe we feel like we need a little pro-queer propaganda.
You could stop all this "propaganda" by supporting gay people in society- unless you're against us, in which case, we need to work harder. There's nothing wrong with us.
Zietsch, Verweij, Bailey, Wright, and Martin (2009) Genetic Epidemiology department Queensland Institute of Medical Research in Australia
The researchers found that scores on both Neuroticism and Psychoticism scales significantly elevated in nonheterosexuals compared with heterosexuals, indicating greater vulnerability to neurotic and psychotic disorders
Research has demonstrated considerable risks to children exposed to the homosexual lifestyle. Violence between homosexual partners is two to three times more common than among married heterosexual couples. Island and P. Letellier, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence (New York: Haworth Press, 1991), p. 14.
Health Implications Associated With Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999), p. 79.
Life expectancy for a 20 year old gay or bisexual man is 8 to 20 years less than all men. The authors estimate that " nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently age 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday." Source: Hogg. RS., Strathdee, SA., Craib, KJP., O'Shaughnessy, MV., Montainer, JSG., Schechter, MT., " Modeling the impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 26, No. 3, 1997, pp. 657-61
Walter Schumm knows what he's about to do is unpopular: publish a study arguing that gay parents are more likely to raise gay children than straight parents. But the Kansas State University family studies professor has a detailed analysis that past almost aggressively ideological researchers never had.
I love this family. I think having nontraditional parents, who are different is more effective in transracial adoption b/c when parents are different, and bahave agaisnt the norm then they are more equipped to develop their children. They are an effective model of coping with lifes challenges while building their lives. B/c traditional parents focus more on making their children more traditional to suite others, rather than developing to cope with being who they are inspite of others views.
Oh,GOD BLESS you two wonderful men! You clearly have beautiful souls & have a passion for doing the right thing for kids who,sadly,would probably have remained in the system till they were turfed out at 18! Whatever the detractors & hate-filled homophobes may say you have very likely improved the lives of these sons of yours beyond all recognition.Again,GOD BLESS you both an your adorable sons!
So because they adopted Black kids they are against racism, now, lol. And since they are gay they are against homophobia, wow. The homosexuals and homo lovers just get more and more desperate and start making less and less sense by the day.
i think what you 2 are doing is great. I do not see many people (straight or gay) stepping up to the plate and going to the State office to adopt or foster anyone or well at that 5 of them from the state. So who cares what other people say you are doing something great and they will be successful once they reach adulthood. And possibly they might even adopt or foster someone.
@candygirl050792 I think you forgot something else: a brain. Did it ever occur to you that they don't pick and choose adopted kids based on gender like you would?
People who oppose gay adoption don't understand that these so called at risk kids that they would pass over are taken by gay couples and given a loving home with parents who will appreciate them as they are and let them blossom. With straight parents, you can have an accident and that's it--not so w gay parents. I say let's keep fighting for gay adoption rights because the children suffer when we don't allow them to be placed in loving homes
You both have my upmost Admiration, Acceptance and Love. If more people raised their children with the your values the world could so much brighter. God Bless you Greg, Stillman, Arthur, Dionte, Javonte, Allen and David Stewart- White
First of all I praise you two gentlemen for taking these five boys out of our failing foster system, and raising them with all the love and support the any child deserves. I am in full support of same-sex marriage and adoption, and I believe that everyone deserves the right to love and be loved. It shows in these boys eyes, words and zest for life and in yours(Stillman and Greg) how good parents you two are.
First of all I praise you two gentlemen for taking these five boys out of our failing foster system, and raising them with all the love and support the any child deserves. I am in full support of same-sex marriage and adoption, and I believe that everyone deserves the right to love and be loved. It shows in these boys eyes, words and zest for life and in yours(Stillman and Greg) how good parents you two are.
@VelaToNorma7 Niggers have such stupid names...Javonte and Dionte
ok u r soo dam ignorant how da hell u be thinkin when white boys be named Dick and girls named jus crazy off da wall shit n u had to much nerves to call em niggas wat type of name is fukin vela VELA OH REALY GET AU FUKIN LIFE
In the American foster care system, older black male children often don't get adopted as often as other children. So I'm glad that these two men were willing to see past all the stereotypes and see children who needed good parents and a loving home.
@ladyunebarton its hard to adopt no matter what and even harder for a gay couple. you take what you can get. some people are able to look past color and just feel love.
@ladyunebarton They didn't choose- they accepted the children that were referred to them. It turns out that the babies allll the other people didn't want were at-risk children (only David was a baby when adopted. The rest were all older).
So, its not a matter of "why did they choose black babies" but rather- "why were these kids left for so long without homes, why didn't anyone else love them like Greg and Stillman?"
I applaud the gentleman in this film for their ability to not only preach love but to act on it. It saddens me, however, that they have overcome one discrimination only to face another. It is now okay for gay men to adopt but not okay to adopt outside their color because they couldn't possible understand discrimination? To even suggest that they have not suffered themselves and that whites in general harbor supremacy belies a deep ignorance and hatred of its own caliber.
It is easier for some whites to deny the existence of institutional racism/white supremacy and the damage it has caused and continues to cause, as evidence of the comments and thumbs downs. Ignoring this problem will not solve anything. In fact, it makes matters worse. I could not agree more with Eric Holders comment that Americans are cowards when it comes to confronting race and racism.
I agree. There is a book out now called "The Hidden Brain" it discusses the biological effects of racism. I don't like to see white supremacist of any religion with African children because it's a self esteem booster for THEM not the children. The system of adoption has ingrained in it the system of white supremacy/thought. Many Africans are being turned away in order to keep the illusion that whites are better at raising their kids. No one brings up economic privilege.
"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot in things racial, we have always been, and we, I believe, continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," -Eric Holder, U.S. Attorney General
Isn't whats important that these kids are being raised in a loving and supportive environment? They could have been left in the gutter. Race is an important issue, but these parents are doing a great job. Love is more important that color.
It is interesting how SOME white gay/lesbian people can shout about how they experience discrimination and unfair judgement, but they can judge and discriminate against Black males. Unless you have lived and tried to achieve success while living in the skin of Black person, don't judge. White gays do not have the ablity or the right to compair their experinces to being born with Black skin. America is still extremely racist.
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These agencies fouse of snatching Black children form their familes and adoptiong to white people. Institutional racism is used to achieve the covert agenda of white, often gay and pro-gay social workers.
please show me some cases of this type of behavior. i am appaled by such things happening. i know white people try to infiltrate the lives of others and have done alot to thwart the movement of other cultures. how should we solve that and what do you think should be done to educate and bring these children into safe and nurturing homes? By the way, I love the name Isis. Just beautiful!
A Black father who is a recovering addict who has children with women who is still addicted. He has 11years of being clean a sober, and has custody of four of his five children. CPS took his youngest child, because he lost his home due to foreclosure. Instead of helping the father locate suitable housing, while he was living in temporary housing with his other children, they took his youngest child andnplaced the child up for adoption.
This Black father said he felt he was being penalized for being homeless. I agree, because this is typical when white social workers deal with Black parents who have limited resources. On the other hand, I have seen whites who are addicted and using drugs who are allowed to keep their children, and they are give chance after chance to get their acts together.
didgedude1: There are whites who refuse to accept that Blacks must deal with navigating a society where institutional white supremacy
/racism negatively impacts every Black person, even the most powerful man in the world. Yes, even President Barack Obama has to fight institutional racism! Many whites would like to believe racism is calling a Black person nigger. Racism is denying people access to opportunities that allow them the same quality of life as whites. Statistics do not lie!
Blame white supremacist social system that fosters institutional racism. Most of our social problems are rooted in this white supremacist system, which is perpetuated by white male patriarch. Placing these children in homes that are not culturally matched or sensative to their needs is not a solution to the problem.
I agree with you, totally and I am a white man. Racism still exists even if it is blanketed by media, a black president, etc. It is hard to place them in a culturaly diverse home when there are so many kids out there and so little parents, let alone stable ones that will nurture and take proper care of these children. A friend of mine was adopted by someone of his background who told him little of his roots and origins but more about the evils of the social system. What can we do??
Not even a white person with the best intentions can teach a Black child how to successfully fight racism without violence. Whites are still in denial about the existence of racism, and some are so ignorant that they believe it is associated with the word nigger. Racism is a system or operations that denies Blacks and other people of color access to opportunities that will offer equal quality of like. Statistics do not lie. Read the statistics, education, health, justice, employment, etc.
Violence deosn't solve violence. It is a cycle. If black people "destroy" their racist agressors then the cycle of racism, hatred, and violence will persist. That being said, white people who continue to preach hate, ignorance, and violence towards black will only create the same back. There has to be another way or we will never experience peace and understanding. History, religion, politics, and media must embrace black TRUE black culture and it's original roots and stop focusing on violence!
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These guys have no concept of what these children will face, and it appears that they do not care. All they care about is being able to tell folks that they are parents and have some children to call them daddy.
How about what they already faced before someone was good enbough to give them a PERMANENT HOME and not send 'em back like puppies.
If you watch the film, in the first 20 minutes it's revealed it was not their idea. They took these kids because there was a need. They had been in and out of homes up to 14 times each, No other parents even came close to the job these men are doing.
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This is not about homophobia. These Black boys will not learn how to be men and navigate the world as Black men, because they are being raised by two white gay males. They are not being raised by people who have a concept of what reality is for Black people, let alone Black males. What has been done to these children is criminal.
Who else would take them in? No one else would want them and they would be raised through the system which definitely won't teach them a positive reality for black people. If I was adopted by a black family, I would be raised differently. That's not criminal, it's circumstantial. There are no apparent differences in children who are raised in a gay home vs. a straight home. Children show no higher tendency to be gay than a straight home nor do they lose their sense of roots. I think it is...
I know for a fact that the Department of Social Services/Family and Children Services does not provide or offer Black preants/families the supportive services that could help parents who are at-risk of losing their children to keep them, and they make little effort to place these chidlren with Black familes. Instead, these agencies fouse of snatching Black children form their familes and adoptiong to white people.
Institutional racism is used to achieve the covert agenda of white, often gay and pro-gay social workers. Institutioanl racism is pracitced in every American institution, education, health care, social services, etc.
Important to teach black children about their ancestry, culture, and teach them to trace back their family tree/origins in order to understand their true culture better. These parents should surround them with other black kids who are diverse such that they can create and learn their own culture. I wish the answer was easier but if we didn't have gay adoption, many kids would be left in the system, poor, homeless, and without the basic necessities of life.
didgedude1: These children need to learn the skills necessary to navigate and survive in a society were they will face harsh discrimination, prison, and possible death, because of the color of their skin. These children need to learn how to interact with people in this racist society who intend to hurt them and, if possible destroy them. They must learn these skills, if they are to succeed in the face of racist teachers, doctors, laywers, police, judges, classmates, neighbors, etc.
Yeah, how dare this white couple push and shove its way past the undoubtedly mile-long line of selfless African American men clamoring to adopt those boys!
Are you serious? Those have to be some of the most idiotic sentences I have ever read. You seem to be suggesting that only black men and women be allowed to adopt black children. Well, I guess following your logic, only white men and women should be allowed to adopt white children. It's honestly a ridiculous argument given the amount o children who stay in foster care and age out of the system, because no one adopts them. Please educate yourself on the system before you post again.
Smartass8504: You are not smart or educated. I know a great deal about the social services "system" and the institutional racism "system." It is not simplistic, as you would like to believe. There would not be so many Black children in this "system," if not for insitutional racism that has victimized their parents and forparents. It is no help to start a fire in my house because you don't like the color, and then give me a cardboard box as a replacement.
I never claimed that the system /is was simplistic, so please refrain from putting words into my mouth. I am quite aware of how things work in the social services system and your claim of racism as an excuse for almost everything has little factual backing and does not hide the fact that what you previously claimed (Black people should raise black children), is based on nothing but sheer ignorance of the system itself...and is in turn reverse racism.
I also find it funny, that you think you know enough about me from one Youtube post to assume that I am "not smart or educated". That says a lot about you and your character.
Nothing like some generalized reverse racism to attempt to prove your weak points. Generalizations are not going to help whatever point you think you have.
Smartass8504: You do not even know what racism/white supremacy is. When you learn what racism/white supremacy is and how it operates and impacts the lives of people of color, then you will be qualified to discuss this issue with me. You are now on MUTE, fool!
Spare me. You have cried racism in almost every post, only to turn around and attempt to lump all "whites" together and in a negative light. Instead of being a hypocrite, why don't you actually post a constructive argument, void of such ignorant, generalizing statements.
And...did you honestly just end a post by calling me a "fool"? Really? How childish.
It sucks to have the weakness of your own arguments called out, doesn't it?
Seriously, there are plenty of same-sex couples and hetero infertile couples, who want to be responsible parents. But the reality is that there is this selfish fantasy of wanting an ideal healthy newborn, while there are tons of "at risk" kids, where their biological parents were addicted to drugs. Same-sex couples have a tendency to adopt kids who are not wanted from so called "traditional families." I say God bless Stillman& Greg for doing a wonderful thing :)
This seems like a wonderful documentary! I'm all for gay adoption. Same-sex couples like those two good men are actually making a selfless contribution to the world. There are over a half million kids in the US foster care system, thanks to the failures of neglectful breeders. If anything, gay adoption seems to be a viable solution to the dysfunctional state of heterosexual over breeding lol!
What theses men are doing is wonderful! Its a shame that our society is so fearful of what they don't understand. Those children now have a loving home with two parents.
The fact is, 5 kids who were labelled as "at risk" found a home, parents and stability- even though life had its hardship, they're the better for their experience. They are the new generation of tolerance.
interesting how idiots here blame the gay parents for what the stupid homophobic people of our society does to their children, instead of blaming the attacker, they blame the victims? the victims are the gay parents and their children, the attackers and the ones doing wrong are the heterosexuals and homophobics and racists insulting them idiots!
sorry my english isn't the best one, my native language is spanish, oh fuck now blame the bilingual too
this november 2009, 19 minutes of "preachers sons" will be on the public television show "in the life". google "in the life" to find out what time it on in your area. enjoy.
I look up to you two (the guys in the video). You seem like good parents and it also seems like you don't let others' hate really affect you. Also, adopting 5 boys of color from the foster system. You have my unending admiration. I hope to be able to follow in your footsteps someday.
They do not give a damn about the survival of Black children. All they care about is money and their own personal satisfaction. This is a crime, and any attempt to justify this is a crime. Black children are not guinea pigs to be used for whites to perform their social experiments. Where is our outrage?
@Exposed2468 No, if they were using the children they wouldn't invest so much time and energy into caring for them, you can see they are very well mannered and happy and as theyr come from troubled homes they will have had a lot of stuff to deal with, fostering and adoption children who are not newborns are very hard, u have so much extra baggage to deal with, its best they are with loving parents rather than feeling forgotten and unwanted in a carehome. Get over urself.
thegreatcrates: If they really cared about these children and their future, they would be ashamed. These people do not gave a damn about this children. People of color who are disadvantaged are always exploited by those who foster insitutional racism.
California, San Francisco included, is known for its covert racism. These children may receive some acceptance, because they have white adoptive parents. However, the white male patriarchal society marginalizes Black males and females. Hence, Black children, disproportionately, make up the largest of foster children.
Who will teach these children how to navigate a racist society, where their very lives depend on their skills in this area? Who will teach these children what they need to know, as males of color?
dis is da worst thing i eva seen how could dey do dat 2 dem kids i feel like crying 4 dem their life is gonna b so messed up n confused they gonna need so much counseling 4 da rest of their life u heard dey said they get teased evday omg how can youll do dis 2 these poor kids
ATTN ALL YOUNG WOMEN:Save your comments.Nobody cares what you think about this one.Unless you've got a dick & a male ego,your opinion is of no value on this issue.
These people are members of the same faith tradition as me. I see them as Church-fellows. I have just as much a right to express my support to them as you seem to do pulling them down.
The kids are fine, by the way. All growing up into strong young men.
Knock it off.The OVERWHELMING majority of religious ppl (Especially Christian) believe that homosexuality is an abomination & that gays will burn in hell...
...I've yet to find ONE video of teenage kids or adults.There arent any video responses in defense of gay adoption by ppl who were actually raised by 2 dads...
Bottom line.I'm sure I speak for at least 98% of all straight men when I say that no straight man wants to live in a house with 2 gay men,especially not be raised by them...
..But I'd bet you anything that by the age of reason,say 12 or 13,most guys would prefer to stay in foster care & wait for a normal couple.Guaranteed.Dont believe me??Ask any straight guy you know.Hell,ask a teenage boy.
"raised away from bigoted attitudes" How you gonna manage that??Seclude them from the world?You do realize how bigoted most ppl are right??Especially kids...
All I ask is that we allow gay people to adopt the kids who need homes, and accept that they make great parents. Ignore the idiocy of bigots and show the kids that there is nothing wrong with having gay parents.
And that is does not effect a straight person's masculinity to associate with gay men, as you seem to suggest.
If you think that is the case, then you are misinformed about homosexuality.
In which case you need to research and talk to more gay people, rather than assume most straight men don't want to engage with gay people on a close level.
So you think homosexuality sucks away masculinity from striaght people?
I socialise frequently with both gay and straight guys, closely. They're my everyday friends. They sure beg to differ from you. They live together, go surfing, play video games, all the normal stuff friends do.
You need to understand something.I personally am not bigoted towards gay ppl.I just recognize that most ppl are.And I dont think that kids should be subjected to that bigotry...
Then why don't you get out there are support gay affirmation, rather than just say "Its not gonna change, lets just keep the kids in group homes forever" when there are perfectly good parents out there for them?
If the view of homosexuality is changed, the bigotry will start to ebb
Then if bigotry concerns you, why not stop kids from being adopted by liberal christians? Or members of minority groups? You can't avoid bigotry. Kids need to be raised to be stronger than the bigotry, not hidden from it.
Its the kids who are exposed to chicken pox that don't suffer from it in the long run. Leave it to adulthood, and it gets very severe.
Society doesn't change in one go. Its gradual. And until then, kids will face bigotry no matter who they are. Its part of life. So lets give these parentless kids a family.
It shouldn't be controversial. Thats the issue. But ppl like you make it controversial. Its just dads and their kids. Nothing more. Move along.
But you can't let it go, you think you're doing the kids a favour!
You must be the first non-homophobic bigot I've ever met. Thats not something to take pride in.
No its not. Some don't, but not all. My closest friends are comprised of gay and straight guys. The straight guys don't care who raises kids. In fact, I've told one of them about you and he says "Get a life".
He loves his gay friends like brothers. Something you can't seem to understand.
You're deluding yourself if you think your actions demonstrate open-mindedness.
You're not right either. There is no right. Just case by case scenarios. Kids need parents. It shouldn't matter whether or not they're gay, straight, bi or asexual.
..since it is a reality,I dont wear blue in a Blood neighborhood.See what I mean?I'm open minded to the possibility & greatness of peace & aware of the reality of violence & ignorance at the same.
@thegreatcrates Easy. There aren't many. Why? Gay adoption is fairly recent.
For the far and few adults and older teens, I have only come into contact with kids who are like any other. They have grievances, they have things that bother them. But they also love their lives and love their family.
Just because the comment has not been seen by you, does not mean it has not been made.
For the last time,if you're not a straight man,you're opinion means nothin here.You're opinion is as worthless here as a man's incite on rape or PMS or child birth...
..And that goes 2x for cutesy cuddly white girls.If you like Lisa Frank & teddy bears,you dont get to talk.And gay guys really have no say in the matter.Conflict of interest.
Yeh.You may appreciate your doc's medical knowledge,but I'm sure you wouldnt appreciate some guy tellin you how well he'd handle the pain of cramps or childbirth.
Bigot??How?I haven't said anything derogatory about homosexuals at all.I just dont think that kids should be put in a situation that will make them the target of bigotry.
Definition of bigotry: One who so strongly believes that their belief is correct, going so far as to deliberately isnult, offend or push their idea sunwaveringly on others.
The way you talk about Straight men not wanting to associate with gay men on more than a superficial level speaks loudly enough about how you think of this matter.
The way to end bigotry is to make ppl recognise these as valid families, not stop them from happening.
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i would rather grow up in da system dan 2 b raised by gay ppl dats sick wat r da gonna teach dem well my parents are gay so i guess im gay 2 5 6 7 yr old kids minds are like sponges
Absolutely wondrful. Bravo!!!
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NuLaifMusic 1 month ago
Hmmm let me guess he also takes the kids to sex shops and leave the doors to his bedroom open at night when they have raging anul sex. GROSS! PUKE!
jmoonsuede 2 months ago
LOL You guys cracked me up. When do you sleep?? Seriously though, this is what all kids need. 2 parents who love, care for, and cherish them. Moms, Dad's whatever..at the end of the day, it's love and devotion that matter, and there is plenty of that in this family. Huge hugs, all of you.
navybluenora1975 3 months ago
Why no daughters :<
DeviousToster 3 months ago
@DeviousToster
With Foster-adoption, you get what you're given. They were never allocated girls. When they were offered boys, they said "We wanna be parents, we'll take the first children you offer us!"
Treemeadow 2 months ago
gentlemen, you are both great examples and i think what your doing is wonderful for these children.
SuperSmiles82 4 months ago
I was going to post a comment about how they should move to San Francisco. Then they did. Yay! No one even notices here.
MissingSirius 4 months ago
Lucky boys to have a second chance with these two wonderful men.
045594270 4 months ago
Racism, Homophobia? Seriously All I Gotta Say Is What There Doing Is The Right Thing, What There Doing Is Soo Wonderful, This Video Made My Day[: - Keep Rocking You Guys.!
DoodlesBaker 6 months ago
Someone needs to tell those kids that they will dealing with racism for the rest of their LIFE and moving to San Francisco wont make it any better.
demarcomixon 6 months ago
Will one of you homophobes give me the verse in the bible that says god doesn't like homosexuals/lesbians/bisexuals?
Have any of you EVER thought of any thing for your self do you have any of your own values?
U probaly dont have half a brain and if the church told you to beat your self to death with a bible u probaly couldnt do it quick enough.
P.S i think you guys are great parents ignore these imbaciles.
cooldude3366 9 months ago
@cooldude3366 Leviticus 18:22 is often cited. However, I think it only meant to condemn men being used as sexual slaves.
105Mittens 8 months ago
NOW IM PISSED OFF REALLY 2 WHITE FAGS RAISING BLACK CHILDREN FUCK NO IF SLAVERY WASN'T ENOUGH, THIS IS WHY AMERICA IS FUCKED UP I CAN'T EVEN WATCH IT. OH HE'S A REVEREND NO HE ISN'T GOD LOOKS UPON HOMOSEXUALITY AS AN ABOMINATION. SATAN IS A HOMO AND THIS PROVES SATAN HAS DEFILED THE CHURCH. THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL WHY DO THEY HAVE ALL BOYS?? JUST TO MOLEST THEIR BODIES AND THEIR MINDS THERE SHOULD BE A LAW AGAINST THIS BULLSHIT. IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD NOT 2 GAY HOMOS SMFH ON THIS ONE
jstunna4900 10 months ago
@jstunna4900
He's a Unitarian Universalist reverend. Not all U.Us believe in God. U.Us aren't even a Christian denomination. Its a completely different religion focused on peace and tolerance- something you know nothing about.
They only have boys because thats what the State gave them.
But you're a troll- I'm only answering for the benefit of other readers.
Treemeadow 10 months ago
@Treemeadow I don't care anymore about these worldly sins my prize will come when i enter my Fathers Kingdom God bless you and yeah :)
jstunna4900 10 months ago
@jstunna4900 - You really are trash, aren't you?
Jaxelo 9 months ago 4
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MIJVI 8 months ago
Obvious appeal to pity fallacy in the title, using a loaded term "homophobia", sad violin music just begging you to feel empathy and forget all logic.
This video wreaks of homosexual propaganda.
ChiT0wnLegend 10 months ago
Well, until people stop marginalising us like you do, maybe we feel like we need a little pro-queer propaganda.
You could stop all this "propaganda" by supporting gay people in society- unless you're against us, in which case, we need to work harder. There's nothing wrong with us.
Treemeadow 10 months ago
Zietsch, Verweij, Bailey, Wright, and Martin (2009) Genetic Epidemiology department Queensland Institute of Medical Research in Australia
The researchers found that scores on both Neuroticism and Psychoticism scales significantly elevated in nonheterosexuals compared with heterosexuals, indicating greater vulnerability to neurotic and psychotic disorders
ChiT0wnLegend 10 months ago
Research has demonstrated considerable risks to children exposed to the homosexual lifestyle. Violence between homosexual partners is two to three times more common than among married heterosexual couples. Island and P. Letellier, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence (New York: Haworth Press, 1991), p. 14.
Health Implications Associated With Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999), p. 79.
ChiT0wnLegend 10 months ago
Yet I have personally worked with so many children from same-sex parented families.
I work with them- you only have secondary sources.
Treemeadow 10 months ago
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL AND HETEROSEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS
A. Levels of promiscuity
B. Physical health
C. Mental health
D. Life span
E. Definition of "monogamy"
ChiT0wnLegend 10 months ago
OXFORD UNIVERSITY:
Life expectancy for a 20 year old gay or bisexual man is 8 to 20 years less than all men. The authors estimate that " nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently age 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday." Source: Hogg. RS., Strathdee, SA., Craib, KJP., O'Shaughnessy, MV., Montainer, JSG., Schechter, MT., " Modeling the impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 26, No. 3, 1997, pp. 657-61
ChiT0wnLegend 10 months ago
Study: Gay Parents More Likely to Have Gay Kids
Oct 17, 2010 – 4:14 PM
Walter Schumm knows what he's about to do is unpopular: publish a study arguing that gay parents are more likely to raise gay children than straight parents. But the Kansas State University family studies professor has a detailed analysis that past almost aggressively ideological researchers never had.
aolnews com/2010/10/17/study-gay-parents-more-likely-to-have-gay-kids
ChiT0wnLegend 10 months ago
@ChiT0wnLegend most studies show that what he says is in fact incorrect
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ChiT0wnLegend 10 months ago
I love this family. I think having nontraditional parents, who are different is more effective in transracial adoption b/c when parents are different, and bahave agaisnt the norm then they are more equipped to develop their children. They are an effective model of coping with lifes challenges while building their lives. B/c traditional parents focus more on making their children more traditional to suite others, rather than developing to cope with being who they are inspite of others views.
alecniles 10 months ago
Haha! What a real cute family! the boys are adorable!
lukewarmism 11 months ago
you are amazing parents according to me
kelseycowen 11 months ago
disgusting homos, have they no shame?!?
KenzoTenma90 1 year ago
@KenzoTenma90 yeah how dare they give those 5 children a loving home, the nerve
mermaidsareppl2 1 year ago
Oh,GOD BLESS you two wonderful men! You clearly have beautiful souls & have a passion for doing the right thing for kids who,sadly,would probably have remained in the system till they were turfed out at 18! Whatever the detractors & hate-filled homophobes may say you have very likely improved the lives of these sons of yours beyond all recognition.Again,GOD BLESS you both an your adorable sons!
popazz1 1 year ago
You sure move a lot. What kind of minister are you?
steffyb528 1 year ago
se ve que los niños son demasiadooooo tremendos!!! jajaja
noorasl18 1 year ago
thank you for posting this.
vaselinemermaid 1 year ago
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So because they adopted Black kids they are against racism, now, lol. And since they are gay they are against homophobia, wow. The homosexuals and homo lovers just get more and more desperate and start making less and less sense by the day.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
i think what you 2 are doing is great. I do not see many people (straight or gay) stepping up to the plate and going to the State office to adopt or foster anyone or well at that 5 of them from the state. So who cares what other people say you are doing something great and they will be successful once they reach adulthood. And possibly they might even adopt or foster someone.
ChicagoMusic 1 year ago 2
5 boys... seriously?no girls.. oh yeah its because there gay and don't like girls. i forgot
candygirl050792 1 year ago
@candygirl050792 that is beyond rude.
ChicagoMusic 1 year ago
Gooooosh, how old are u?
go and get informations, befor u talk shit like dat.
LeyLaInLove 1 year ago
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@candygirl050792 why do you want to hurt folks who are trying to make this a better world ?
silentfades 1 year ago
@candygirl050792 wtf are u saying....... que imbecil mujer eres!
noorasl18 1 year ago
@candygirl050792 How clever was that? (NOT very)
sareenagreen2010 1 year ago
@candygirl050792 I think you forgot something else: a brain. Did it ever occur to you that they don't pick and choose adopted kids based on gender like you would?
o0ohahahao0o 11 months ago
People who oppose gay adoption don't understand that these so called at risk kids that they would pass over are taken by gay couples and given a loving home with parents who will appreciate them as they are and let them blossom. With straight parents, you can have an accident and that's it--not so w gay parents. I say let's keep fighting for gay adoption rights because the children suffer when we don't allow them to be placed in loving homes
vidhead85 1 year ago 3
its good that you have somes kids if you only have the patience and the love inconditialy , bravo!
jeannote5 1 year ago
You both have my upmost Admiration, Acceptance and Love. If more people raised their children with the your values the world could so much brighter. God Bless you Greg, Stillman, Arthur, Dionte, Javonte, Allen and David Stewart- White
AmorMartinez2 1 year ago
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First of all I praise you two gentlemen for taking these five boys out of our failing foster system, and raising them with all the love and support the any child deserves. I am in full support of same-sex marriage and adoption, and I believe that everyone deserves the right to love and be loved. It shows in these boys eyes, words and zest for life and in yours(Stillman and Greg) how good parents you two are.
AmorMartinez2 1 year ago
First of all I praise you two gentlemen for taking these five boys out of our failing foster system, and raising them with all the love and support the any child deserves. I am in full support of same-sex marriage and adoption, and I believe that everyone deserves the right to love and be loved. It shows in these boys eyes, words and zest for life and in yours(Stillman and Greg) how good parents you two are.
AmorMartinez2 1 year ago
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Niggers have such stupid names...Javonte and Dionte?
VelaToNorma7 1 year ago
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@VelaToNorma7 Niggers have such stupid names...Javonte and Dionte
ok u r soo dam ignorant how da hell u be thinkin when white boys be named Dick and girls named jus crazy off da wall shit n u had to much nerves to call em niggas wat type of name is fukin vela VELA OH REALY GET AU FUKIN LIFE
twepy123 1 year ago
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Kids, all they need is love!!!!
phubbie 1 year ago
In the American foster care system, older black male children often don't get adopted as often as other children. So I'm glad that these two men were willing to see past all the stereotypes and see children who needed good parents and a loving home.
yummieyummie123 1 year ago 2
im sure they are better with these guys than off in some shitty institution ready to be dumped on the streets at 18
OlderG0ds 1 year ago
god bless them, this is truly warming!!!
sillybilly551 1 year ago
"I know how to open it chubby guy" lool, kids do come out with funny things...
sweetbutdaring 1 year ago
I commend any couple who adopt 5 boys. That is one challenging lifestyle as parents.
DCan1245 1 year ago 2
It does not matter they are gay parents, but why did they chose black babys? Thats just weird...
ladyunebarton 1 year ago
@ladyunebarton its hard to adopt no matter what and even harder for a gay couple. you take what you can get. some people are able to look past color and just feel love.
k2theC2thejo 1 year ago 2
@ladyunebarton They didn't choose- they accepted the children that were referred to them. It turns out that the babies allll the other people didn't want were at-risk children (only David was a baby when adopted. The rest were all older).
So, its not a matter of "why did they choose black babies" but rather- "why were these kids left for so long without homes, why didn't anyone else love them like Greg and Stillman?"
Treemeadow 1 year ago
I applaud the gentleman in this film for their ability to not only preach love but to act on it. It saddens me, however, that they have overcome one discrimination only to face another. It is now okay for gay men to adopt but not okay to adopt outside their color because they couldn't possible understand discrimination? To even suggest that they have not suffered themselves and that whites in general harbor supremacy belies a deep ignorance and hatred of its own caliber.
thatgirlmoon 1 year ago 11
heartwarming.
Naah182 1 year ago 3
Beautiful family... Lol at the typical sibling fighting
petalovespongy 2 years ago 10
Where can I find this movie?
erick1alan 2 years ago 2
It is easier for some whites to deny the existence of institutional racism/white supremacy and the damage it has caused and continues to cause, as evidence of the comments and thumbs downs. Ignoring this problem will not solve anything. In fact, it makes matters worse. I could not agree more with Eric Holders comment that Americans are cowards when it comes to confronting race and racism.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
I agree. There is a book out now called "The Hidden Brain" it discusses the biological effects of racism. I don't like to see white supremacist of any religion with African children because it's a self esteem booster for THEM not the children. The system of adoption has ingrained in it the system of white supremacy/thought. Many Africans are being turned away in order to keep the illusion that whites are better at raising their kids. No one brings up economic privilege.
TruthHurtzAllDaTime 2 years ago
"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot in things racial, we have always been, and we, I believe, continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," -Eric Holder, U.S. Attorney General
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
Isn't whats important that these kids are being raised in a loving and supportive environment? They could have been left in the gutter. Race is an important issue, but these parents are doing a great job. Love is more important that color.
pcsassy03 2 years ago 5
Racism/white supremacy is a system.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
It is interesting how SOME white gay/lesbian people can shout about how they experience discrimination and unfair judgement, but they can judge and discriminate against Black males. Unless you have lived and tried to achieve success while living in the skin of Black person, don't judge. White gays do not have the ablity or the right to compair their experinces to being born with Black skin. America is still extremely racist.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
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These agencies fouse of snatching Black children form their familes and adoptiong to white people. Institutional racism is used to achieve the covert agenda of white, often gay and pro-gay social workers.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
please show me some cases of this type of behavior. i am appaled by such things happening. i know white people try to infiltrate the lives of others and have done alot to thwart the movement of other cultures. how should we solve that and what do you think should be done to educate and bring these children into safe and nurturing homes? By the way, I love the name Isis. Just beautiful!
didgedude1 2 years ago
A Black father who is a recovering addict who has children with women who is still addicted. He has 11years of being clean a sober, and has custody of four of his five children. CPS took his youngest child, because he lost his home due to foreclosure. Instead of helping the father locate suitable housing, while he was living in temporary housing with his other children, they took his youngest child andnplaced the child up for adoption.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
This Black father said he felt he was being penalized for being homeless. I agree, because this is typical when white social workers deal with Black parents who have limited resources. On the other hand, I have seen whites who are addicted and using drugs who are allowed to keep their children, and they are give chance after chance to get their acts together.
RACE ALWAYS MATTERS!
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
didgedude1: There are whites who refuse to accept that Blacks must deal with navigating a society where institutional white supremacy
/racism negatively impacts every Black person, even the most powerful man in the world. Yes, even President Barack Obama has to fight institutional racism! Many whites would like to believe racism is calling a Black person nigger. Racism is denying people access to opportunities that allow them the same quality of life as whites. Statistics do not lie!
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
didgedude1: Thank you for the complement. I love the name, and I am a queen.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
it's people like you keeping racism alive
weekendwarrior032134 2 years ago
Blame white supremacist social system that fosters institutional racism. Most of our social problems are rooted in this white supremacist system, which is perpetuated by white male patriarch. Placing these children in homes that are not culturally matched or sensative to their needs is not a solution to the problem.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
I agree with you, totally and I am a white man. Racism still exists even if it is blanketed by media, a black president, etc. It is hard to place them in a culturaly diverse home when there are so many kids out there and so little parents, let alone stable ones that will nurture and take proper care of these children. A friend of mine was adopted by someone of his background who told him little of his roots and origins but more about the evils of the social system. What can we do??
didgedude1 2 years ago
Not even a white person with the best intentions can teach a Black child how to successfully fight racism without violence. Whites are still in denial about the existence of racism, and some are so ignorant that they believe it is associated with the word nigger. Racism is a system or operations that denies Blacks and other people of color access to opportunities that will offer equal quality of like. Statistics do not lie. Read the statistics, education, health, justice, employment, etc.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
Violence deosn't solve violence. It is a cycle. If black people "destroy" their racist agressors then the cycle of racism, hatred, and violence will persist. That being said, white people who continue to preach hate, ignorance, and violence towards black will only create the same back. There has to be another way or we will never experience peace and understanding. History, religion, politics, and media must embrace black TRUE black culture and it's original roots and stop focusing on violence!
didgedude1 2 years ago
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These guys have no concept of what these children will face, and it appears that they do not care. All they care about is being able to tell folks that they are parents and have some children to call them daddy.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
LOL @ "what these children will face."
How about what they already faced before someone was good enbough to give them a PERMANENT HOME and not send 'em back like puppies.
If you watch the film, in the first 20 minutes it's revealed it was not their idea. They took these kids because there was a need. They had been in and out of homes up to 14 times each, No other parents even came close to the job these men are doing.
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isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
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This is not about homophobia. These Black boys will not learn how to be men and navigate the world as Black men, because they are being raised by two white gay males. They are not being raised by people who have a concept of what reality is for Black people, let alone Black males. What has been done to these children is criminal.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
Agreed.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
Who else would take them in? No one else would want them and they would be raised through the system which definitely won't teach them a positive reality for black people. If I was adopted by a black family, I would be raised differently. That's not criminal, it's circumstantial. There are no apparent differences in children who are raised in a gay home vs. a straight home. Children show no higher tendency to be gay than a straight home nor do they lose their sense of roots. I think it is...
didgedude1 2 years ago
I know for a fact that the Department of Social Services/Family and Children Services does not provide or offer Black preants/families the supportive services that could help parents who are at-risk of losing their children to keep them, and they make little effort to place these chidlren with Black familes. Instead, these agencies fouse of snatching Black children form their familes and adoptiong to white people.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
Institutional racism is used to achieve the covert agenda of white, often gay and pro-gay social workers. Institutioanl racism is pracitced in every American institution, education, health care, social services, etc.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
Important to teach black children about their ancestry, culture, and teach them to trace back their family tree/origins in order to understand their true culture better. These parents should surround them with other black kids who are diverse such that they can create and learn their own culture. I wish the answer was easier but if we didn't have gay adoption, many kids would be left in the system, poor, homeless, and without the basic necessities of life.
didgedude1 2 years ago
didgedude1: These children need to learn the skills necessary to navigate and survive in a society were they will face harsh discrimination, prison, and possible death, because of the color of their skin. These children need to learn how to interact with people in this racist society who intend to hurt them and, if possible destroy them. They must learn these skills, if they are to succeed in the face of racist teachers, doctors, laywers, police, judges, classmates, neighbors, etc.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
Yeah, how dare this white couple push and shove its way past the undoubtedly mile-long line of selfless African American men clamoring to adopt those boys!
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isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
Are you serious? Those have to be some of the most idiotic sentences I have ever read. You seem to be suggesting that only black men and women be allowed to adopt black children. Well, I guess following your logic, only white men and women should be allowed to adopt white children. It's honestly a ridiculous argument given the amount o children who stay in foster care and age out of the system, because no one adopts them. Please educate yourself on the system before you post again.
Smartass8504 2 years ago
Smartass8504: You are not smart or educated. I know a great deal about the social services "system" and the institutional racism "system." It is not simplistic, as you would like to believe. There would not be so many Black children in this "system," if not for insitutional racism that has victimized their parents and forparents. It is no help to start a fire in my house because you don't like the color, and then give me a cardboard box as a replacement.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
I never claimed that the system /is was simplistic, so please refrain from putting words into my mouth. I am quite aware of how things work in the social services system and your claim of racism as an excuse for almost everything has little factual backing and does not hide the fact that what you previously claimed (Black people should raise black children), is based on nothing but sheer ignorance of the system itself...and is in turn reverse racism.
Smartass8504 2 years ago
I also find it funny, that you think you know enough about me from one Youtube post to assume that I am "not smart or educated". That says a lot about you and your character.
Smartass8504 2 years ago
In general, white people think they know what is best for other groups. They know what is best for the entire world!
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
Nothing like some generalized reverse racism to attempt to prove your weak points. Generalizations are not going to help whatever point you think you have.
Smartass8504 2 years ago
Smartass8504: You do not even know what racism/white supremacy is. When you learn what racism/white supremacy is and how it operates and impacts the lives of people of color, then you will be qualified to discuss this issue with me. You are now on MUTE, fool!
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
Spare me. You have cried racism in almost every post, only to turn around and attempt to lump all "whites" together and in a negative light. Instead of being a hypocrite, why don't you actually post a constructive argument, void of such ignorant, generalizing statements.
And...did you honestly just end a post by calling me a "fool"? Really? How childish.
It sucks to have the weakness of your own arguments called out, doesn't it?
Smartass8504 2 years ago
MUTE!
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
I just bumped into this on the web. I will show this to everyone I know whether they like it or not- especially those who are homophobic.
God bless these gentlemen.
dwemmy 2 years ago 2
Seriously, there are plenty of same-sex couples and hetero infertile couples, who want to be responsible parents. But the reality is that there is this selfish fantasy of wanting an ideal healthy newborn, while there are tons of "at risk" kids, where their biological parents were addicted to drugs. Same-sex couples have a tendency to adopt kids who are not wanted from so called "traditional families." I say God bless Stillman& Greg for doing a wonderful thing :)
BIGPUSSYCAT99 2 years ago 34
This seems like a wonderful documentary! I'm all for gay adoption. Same-sex couples like those two good men are actually making a selfless contribution to the world. There are over a half million kids in the US foster care system, thanks to the failures of neglectful breeders. If anything, gay adoption seems to be a viable solution to the dysfunctional state of heterosexual over breeding lol!
BIGPUSSYCAT99 2 years ago 8
this nice
Fatushka 2 years ago
is the film not going to be completed. the website says it was supposed to be done in '07. i'd really like to see it. :[
jmallen62691 2 years ago
What theses men are doing is wonderful! Its a shame that our society is so fearful of what they don't understand. Those children now have a loving home with two parents.
Boudiga 2 years ago
People always miss the issue.
The fact is, 5 kids who were labelled as "at risk" found a home, parents and stability- even though life had its hardship, they're the better for their experience. They are the new generation of tolerance.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
interesting how idiots here blame the gay parents for what the stupid homophobic people of our society does to their children, instead of blaming the attacker, they blame the victims? the victims are the gay parents and their children, the attackers and the ones doing wrong are the heterosexuals and homophobics and racists insulting them idiots!
sorry my english isn't the best one, my native language is spanish, oh fuck now blame the bilingual too
LatinDelicious 2 years ago
hey everybody,
this november 2009, 19 minutes of "preachers sons" will be on the public television show "in the life". google "in the life" to find out what time it on in your area. enjoy.
pops415 2 years ago
I look up to you two (the guys in the video). You seem like good parents and it also seems like you don't let others' hate really affect you. Also, adopting 5 boys of color from the foster system. You have my unending admiration. I hope to be able to follow in your footsteps someday.
ridiculoususernamesh 2 years ago 16
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This is not okay!
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
Hell yeah Isis.Tell the truth & shame the devil.This aint cool at all.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
thegreatcrates,
They do not give a damn about the survival of Black children. All they care about is money and their own personal satisfaction. This is a crime, and any attempt to justify this is a crime. Black children are not guinea pigs to be used for whites to perform their social experiments. Where is our outrage?
Exposed2468 2 years ago
Exposed2468,
I agree with you. Let the truth be told.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
@Exposed2468 No, if they were using the children they wouldn't invest so much time and energy into caring for them, you can see they are very well mannered and happy and as theyr come from troubled homes they will have had a lot of stuff to deal with, fostering and adoption children who are not newborns are very hard, u have so much extra baggage to deal with, its best they are with loving parents rather than feeling forgotten and unwanted in a carehome. Get over urself.
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isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
thegreatcrates: If they really cared about these children and their future, they would be ashamed. These people do not gave a damn about this children. People of color who are disadvantaged are always exploited by those who foster insitutional racism.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
California, San Francisco included, is known for its covert racism. These children may receive some acceptance, because they have white adoptive parents. However, the white male patriarchal society marginalizes Black males and females. Hence, Black children, disproportionately, make up the largest of foster children.
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
I wonder how easy it would be for two black males to adopt five little white boys?
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago 5
Who will teach these children how to navigate a racist society, where their very lives depend on their skills in this area? Who will teach these children what they need to know, as males of color?
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
Why can't we focus on correcting the problems that creat foster child (children without parents)?
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
dis is da worst thing i eva seen how could dey do dat 2 dem kids i feel like crying 4 dem their life is gonna b so messed up n confused they gonna need so much counseling 4 da rest of their life u heard dey said they get teased evday omg how can youll do dis 2 these poor kids
mcdreamyy1 2 years ago
ATTN ALL YOUNG WOMEN:Save your comments.Nobody cares what you think about this one.Unless you've got a dick & a male ego,your opinion is of no value on this issue.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
Uh, how so?
These people are members of the same faith tradition as me. I see them as Church-fellows. I have just as much a right to express my support to them as you seem to do pulling them down.
The kids are fine, by the way. All growing up into strong young men.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
Knock it off.The OVERWHELMING majority of religious ppl (Especially Christian) believe that homosexuality is an abomination & that gays will burn in hell...
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
If you'll notice,all of these videos are of grade school kids too young to know whats goin on and made by the gay parents...
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
...I've yet to find ONE video of teenage kids or adults.There arent any video responses in defense of gay adoption by ppl who were actually raised by 2 dads...
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
...I've yet to even find a comment by someone who was raised by gay parents.Ask yourself - Why do you think that is??
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
Bottom line.I'm sure I speak for at least 98% of all straight men when I say that no straight man wants to live in a house with 2 gay men,especially not be raised by them...
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
...Of course at the age of 5 or so,anybody would choose the nice guys with the house fulla toys and barnyard animals over foster care.Sure.....
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
..But I'd bet you anything that by the age of reason,say 12 or 13,most guys would prefer to stay in foster care & wait for a normal couple.Guaranteed.Dont believe me??Ask any straight guy you know.Hell,ask a teenage boy.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
By the time a child has been raised away from bigoted attitudes like yours, they will love their parents for who they are.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
"raised away from bigoted attitudes" How you gonna manage that??Seclude them from the world?You do realize how bigoted most ppl are right??Especially kids...
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
No, I mean lets just allow them to live their lives, and raise them up to be stronger than you give them credit.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
Ok.For 1.You are doin exactly what you accuse me of.Insulting,offending & pushin your ideas unwaveringly.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
As if you didn't do it first.
All I ask is that we allow gay people to adopt the kids who need homes, and accept that they make great parents. Ignore the idiocy of bigots and show the kids that there is nothing wrong with having gay parents.
And that is does not effect a straight person's masculinity to associate with gay men, as you seem to suggest.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
If you think that is the case, then you are misinformed about homosexuality.
In which case you need to research and talk to more gay people, rather than assume most straight men don't want to engage with gay people on a close level.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
No.If you dont think that is the case you dont know much about male heterosexuality or are lyin to serve your own purposes..
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
So you think homosexuality sucks away masculinity from striaght people?
I socialise frequently with both gay and straight guys, closely. They're my everyday friends. They sure beg to differ from you. They live together, go surfing, play video games, all the normal stuff friends do.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
"homosexuality sucks away masculinity from striaght" Who said that??
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
You seem to suggest that by straight guys not wanting to associate with gay guys, they have something to lose by doing so.
Whats the most important thing to men? masculinity.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
You need to understand something.I personally am not bigoted towards gay ppl.I just recognize that most ppl are.And I dont think that kids should be subjected to that bigotry...
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
Then why don't you get out there are support gay affirmation, rather than just say "Its not gonna change, lets just keep the kids in group homes forever" when there are perfectly good parents out there for them?
If the view of homosexuality is changed, the bigotry will start to ebb
Treemeadow 2 years ago
...I'm 26 and have known guys from every walk of life & can tell you that most of us are very homophobic.Kinda just goes with the territory.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
Thats the loser attitude. You only think that way because society tells you to.
I say that society needs to be changed.
So, you admit that you are homophobic? You are against homosexuals, then?
If not, why don't you help change societies perception of these everyday ppl who just want to help kids?
Do you think homosexuality is wrong?
Treemeadow 2 years ago
I never said I am homophobic.Have nothing against gays.Dont think homosexuality is wrong.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
Then if bigotry concerns you, why not stop kids from being adopted by liberal christians? Or members of minority groups? You can't avoid bigotry. Kids need to be raised to be stronger than the bigotry, not hidden from it.
Its the kids who are exposed to chicken pox that don't suffer from it in the long run. Leave it to adulthood, and it gets very severe.
Treemeadow 2 years ago 5
You're absolutely right.Society needs to change.But like I said before,until it does kids shouldnt be in the middle of this controversial issue.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago 2
Society doesn't change in one go. Its gradual. And until then, kids will face bigotry no matter who they are. Its part of life. So lets give these parentless kids a family.
It shouldn't be controversial. Thats the issue. But ppl like you make it controversial. Its just dads and their kids. Nothing more. Move along.
But you can't let it go, you think you're doing the kids a favour!
You must be the first non-homophobic bigot I've ever met. Thats not something to take pride in.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
3:20 TO 5:05 is exactly why kids shouldn't be adopted by gay people.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
thegreatcrates: Your comment is correct!
isisqueenafrika 2 years ago
I agree- I feel so bad for kids having to suffer b/c of other people's hate...
df61660a 2 years ago 3
df61660:Was that comment for me or Treemeadow?
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
Me saying that straight men dont want to be raised by gay men is not bigotry.Its reality....
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
No its not. Some don't, but not all. My closest friends are comprised of gay and straight guys. The straight guys don't care who raises kids. In fact, I've told one of them about you and he says "Get a life".
He loves his gay friends like brothers. Something you can't seem to understand.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
So you know a couple very open minded ppl.Great.I happen to be one of them.I have gay friends & family myself.Doesnt mean he's right about this.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
You're deluding yourself if you think your actions demonstrate open-mindedness.
You're not right either. There is no right. Just case by case scenarios. Kids need parents. It shouldn't matter whether or not they're gay, straight, bi or asexual.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
I'm deluding myself??Thats rich.Let me give you a scenario.I'm totally opposed to gangbangin.Think its silly & needs to stop.However.....
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
..since it is a reality,I dont wear blue in a Blood neighborhood.See what I mean?I'm open minded to the possibility & greatness of peace & aware of the reality of violence & ignorance at the same.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
and you think that is not a derogatory statement. That Straight men don't want to really recognise the humanity beyond gay people.
NORMAL couple? How is that NOT derogatory? Gay couples are a normal couple.
Your attempt at hiding your anti-homosexual sentiments fall flat.
Bigot. Plain as day.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
@thegreatcrates Easy. There aren't many. Why? Gay adoption is fairly recent.
For the far and few adults and older teens, I have only come into contact with kids who are like any other. They have grievances, they have things that bother them. But they also love their lives and love their family.
Just because the comment has not been seen by you, does not mean it has not been made.
Treemeadow 1 year ago
For the last time,if you're not a straight man,you're opinion means nothin here.You're opinion is as worthless here as a man's incite on rape or PMS or child birth...
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
..And that goes 2x for cutesy cuddly white girls.If you like Lisa Frank & teddy bears,you dont get to talk.And gay guys really have no say in the matter.Conflict of interest.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
I appreciate my MALE doctors opinions on PMS and childbirth. Rape happens to men too, you know.
You're quite bigoted. You're the only one who thinks female opinions don't matter on this issue. No one else minds. You're quite a foolish fellow.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
Yeh.You may appreciate your doc's medical knowledge,but I'm sure you wouldnt appreciate some guy tellin you how well he'd handle the pain of cramps or childbirth.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
I sure do appreciate any advice I can get. Just like I can give advice on a broken leg although I have never experienced it.
You see, the difference between us is this: I am open minded, you are not.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
Bigot??How?I haven't said anything derogatory about homosexuals at all.I just dont think that kids should be put in a situation that will make them the target of bigotry.
thegreatcrates 2 years ago
Definition of bigotry: One who so strongly believes that their belief is correct, going so far as to deliberately isnult, offend or push their idea sunwaveringly on others.
The way you talk about Straight men not wanting to associate with gay men on more than a superficial level speaks loudly enough about how you think of this matter.
The way to end bigotry is to make ppl recognise these as valid families, not stop them from happening.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
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i would rather grow up in da system dan 2 b raised by gay ppl dats sick wat r da gonna teach dem well my parents are gay so i guess im gay 2 5 6 7 yr old kids minds are like sponges
mcdreamyy1 2 years ago