who gives a dam if its painless, did they care about their victims? i was stabbed 3 times for nothing and left for dead, i dont care about these people . start a chain and dig your own grave and the next one in line,use the dirt from his hole to cover the one before him.
@Scipiz0a If you mean the death penalty series, I have been having a lot of trouble with my computer, and at the moment I don't have a webcam. I will be back, however. I intend to do one on the comparison of cost between executing a prisoner and keeping him for life. A lot of people will be surprised at the statistics on that one.
@Scipiz0a I just tried to play this, and I see that it stops a little less than 8 mnutes in. I have no idea why. I can't get it to go past that point.
I'm curious, why don't they simply anesthetize the people in exactly the same way they do it in hospitals before and during operations? That should be completely painless, shouldn't it? People are operated on a daily basis, and the cases where something goes wrong and people gain consciousness during operations seem to be miniscule. Where's the catch?
@QuintusSecundus The catch seems to be that death penalty proponents generally think executions SHOULD be terrifying and painful. That is the primary reason that no state has adopted nor, to my knowledge, even proposed the use of nitrogen hypoxia, which is utterly painless, absolutely certain, and causes even a sense of euphoria preceding death.
Is that really it? Don't they always claim that they're looking for the best methods to do it? I mean that would be an explanation, but it seems kind of counter productive if they really support the death penalty, as they give people who want to completely abolish it good arguments.
@QuintusSecundus It does seem counter to their goal, doesn't it. But there is no state that is unaware of that option, and, as far as I know, none has taken steps to use nitrogen.
Here in Sweden we have a description of impractical people as "having the thumb in the middle of the hand", and it appears to me that it would be a fair description of some of the execution teams around the US. I am a death penalty proponent because death is the only cure for psychopathy - which I'm sure is the case with the wast majority of the death-men. I don't believe that the death penalty is a deterrent because of the fact that all psychopaths believe that they are smarter than anyone else
The death penalty is sickening. I don't see how execution (AKA official murder) is legal, and how people consider it "justice". Killing someone for killing is wrong. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind. Great video and I hope that lethal injection, as well as other forms of execution, are outlawed.
It's nice to see that someone with an opinion has done an excellent amount of homework. I agree with you that the prospect of lethal injection is murder, however, I believe the use of capital punishment, including the death penalty, deters criminals from committing crime. People like me, who believe the application of the death penalty should be in place, focus on preventing crime, and not the consequences. It has nothing to do with not caring for humanity.
@unitedstatesdale You are blocked from my channel hereafter. I don't care if you disagree with me about the death penalty, or anything else for that matter. Opinions are welcome here. But I do not tolerate the "n" word, nor people who use it.
@Largo64 Hats off to you for (while still encouraching dialogue and our right to free speech) removing hate-mongers. Also, cheers to your comment (in another video) about only the dead being consistent. It takes class and wisdom for one to allow one's worldview to evolve.
@BishopNo Before someone points it out (as someone did in the video where I said it), I neglected to attribute the quote (or paraphrase, because I didn't look it up and quote directly) that the only truly consistent people are the dead. Aldus Huxley said it, or at least wrote it down first. That assumes that he didn't hear it sometime in his past and state it among the ideas in which he believed. People will pick, even though we all imbibe ideas from others. I stated it as a belief, not a quote.
@Largo64 I understood it as a belief. So that we're all clear, then: hats off to Huxley, and, again, hats off to you for repeating it (without claiming it as your own).
OK so you happily bang on about how wrong capital punishment is, how about you blabber on about how the vitim (the true victim) had his head stoved in , how his brains left his body at 2000 feet per second with a handgun bullet, how g]many times the person was stabbed and left to die....in agony. Save your tears for the true victim.
You miss the point entirely, which is, stated yet again, that venting our public anger or desire for revenge is not justice, but it does bring all of us who assent to it down to the level of him we kill. It is bad for everyone.
@autopilotflight And so we, too, become murderers? How is THAT just? There are many MANY ways we can cause great suffering to an evil creature without becoming that which we abhor. True suffering doesn't need to be physical. It can be emotional and psychological. We could make a convicted killer languish in agony for the entirety of his natural life without ever having to stoop to his level and compromise our own morality by coating our hands with his blood.
The execution of Stanley "Tookie" Williams describes the phrase "in cold blood" about as well as anything can. Please read the last link I just added in the information box. Williams co-founded the Crips, a violent Los Angeles Gang. While in prison he renounced violence, and wrote books to help kids do the same. He was nominated 5 times for the Nobel Peace Prize. But his plea for a commuted sentence was met with a stony denial by Gov. Arnold Shwarzenegger. Guess that'll teach him.
I think that are some good trials that match up to the death penalty although i am not for it at ALL. Like the time when a man name Chuck/Chucky something was executed although he had little reason of dying like that. He was a gangster that killed most of 6 ppl, but he then quit the gang and wrote children/teen books on why not to do so. i think he learned his lesson.
@kaykayeem I think you mean Stanley "Tookie" Williams. He was a Los Angeles gang leader who, while he did try to atone for his own crimes, refused to help police end the careers of other gang members. He was executed in San Quenton, seemingly more out of spite than anything else. Whatever his good works, the authorities felt his thumb in their eye.
Most states use more than 2 g of Sodium Thiopental, that's enough to put the condemned in a chemical coma, far beyond that drugs typical use in surgeries. Ohio now uses only Sodium Thiopental, they use a whopping 5 g!
I guess that is why the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the constitutionality of lethal injection, because its painless.
The only area for error to occur is with the 'needle work,' which Ohio has also solved by allowing for intramuscular injections if the IV sites go awry.
@1stLtDavis Thanks for the info I didn't have. Of course, all of my videos on the subject are here because I am against the death penalty however it is administered. I've given reasons in other videos, but I will try to cover the topic better in a future vid. I was a supporter of the DP not that long ago. I've changed my mind, and I wanted to say why.
Oh yeah that's cool. I am just glad you didn't make up crap like so many opponents do and say, 'Oh, well life in prison is so much harder...' etc. etc.
Obviously that claim is a lie, otherwise the vast majority of death row inmates would not spend damn near 10 years appealing their death sentence in hopes of getting commuted to LWOP.
My boyfirned is against the death penalty, whereas I am not. It's hard to say, "we shouldn't use leathal injection, because it may not be peaceful & painless", when you counter w/what might me the horrible way a victim may have died. But, just to be "humane", maybe we should go back to a "for sure" method: point-blank 50 calibur to the back of the skull.
What about the innocent people killed? ( Yes, courts make mistakes) What about the effects on people who are hired kill other people all day? And most importantly, what does it even accomplish?
@bigboy45454545 The point was not that they didn't know the cause of death, but that they called it by the same name as if a murder had occurred. The ME could as easily have written, death by execution.
Morphine causes a great many people to projectile vomit, so instead they use a saline solution at a drip rate of what is called a keep vein open (KVO) then they use a combination of sedatives to slow down the mental awareness of the condemned and then a massive does of potassium chloride to cause a heart attack... funny thing is the sedative could cause a person to die due to the skeletal muscles to become paralyzed and cause death by suffocation.
No it's pretty horrible. Have you ever had a drink "go down the wrong pipe"? Or suck water into your lungs while swimming? Or have some one stand on your back as you lay on your chest? It's a pretty horrible way to go...
I can't say that I'd feel completely easy about someone feeling euphoria as a form of punishment. But I guess I'll have to wait till you make the next video to expound upon the method. Though I still feel as of right now that putting a person to sleep is the most humane way to do it. Namely by them having passed out before they lose the ability to breathe.
Michael Portillo,a former British politician,made a documentary ("How to kill a human being")in which he searches for the ultimate humane method.Having dismissed all currently available ones,he arrived at inducing a state of hypoxia,a condition whereby the victim gradually loses all mental functions(thereby reducing and finally eliminating the stress of being put to death) before unconsciousness and finally death occurs.Of course, the death penalty still has no place in any civilised democracy
I myself haven't been any saint when it comes to beliefs on how certain people should be punished. But I've mellowed over time by comparing it to such things the harvesting of animals. I wouldn't want a mink to be skinned alive, so I figured humans deserved equal rights in that regard. I even went a step further once in my beliefs for supporting a victim's right to harvest a trophy from the assailant. But that's a blatant vigilante style action. Continued...
Now as for which punishments I think should be meted out, well that falls back on how I can imagine the pain being. We can either go with an automated system for hanging in which they are guaranteed to not choke while not decapitating them. Or we can go with a different form of lethal injection. We as a society should already know that purified opiates like heroin & morphine. So why not give them a peaceful death with some form of opiate?
@Smaug84 There already exists a method which not only causes no pain or panic, but actually introduces euphoria before death. It is highly unlikely ever to be used precisely BECAUSE it is utterly painless. Most people who believe in the death penalty think it should be painful and frightening. I used to be one of them.
So obviously video footage proven to be undoctored along with physical evidence showing that malice was present should be the ultimate requirement for the DP. There should be ZERO doubt before we're willing to execute another fully sentient being. If there is any doubt while there being a sufficient amount of physical evidence to show malice aforethought then life imprisonment should be used.
First I think our justice system should revolve around reforming the individual, but we live in a realistic society in which certain crimes will always be viewed as being irredeemable. Secondly since I believe we should have such a system then I believe prison space will be at a premium as it is now. As such I'd continue both the DP and life imprisonment, the punishment depending on the quality of evidence so that we minimize the number of innocent deaths/lengthy imprisonment immensely.
I do not understand why they use two injections to end life processes - the muscle relaxant seems like an unecessary step, since the person will lose consciousness within seconds of the heart being stopped. I imagine it is done to reduce any struggling or convulsions, but if the person is conscious when the muscle relaxant takes effect, I would imagine this to be a rather unpleasant feeling of paralysis, including of the ability to breathe.
I consider the death penalty a horrendous act. I do consider it murder. You don't repay an evil act with an evil act. Repaying murder with murder is evil. It's as simple as that.
...Oh, but what do I know? I'm just a bleeding heart liberal.
The parts of the world where they still have the death penalty tend to have the highest rates of violent crimes anyway, it is small wonder the people in these areas find state mandated killing acceptable.
Yes, they are. But just as being poor and uneducated predisposes to violent crime, so it predisposes to the desire for the state to kill those that do it.
I guess I should state that since I'm an avowed naturalist I don't think of humans as being either noble in nature or savage. Nor do I think that society having the death penalty changes our nature in any appreciable way.
The issue though is whether or not we should have the DP, or at least that's what I've gathered. Due to character limits I'll expound upon what parameters I think should be met before execution is even a valid punishment, and I'll detail few ways to go about it humanely.
@truevoiceofsanity I can't feel sorry for Gacey either. As I have said before, not that long ago I was one of those who said there SHOULD be a death penalty and that it should hurt. I have changed my mind. It isn't that I think nobody deserves to suffer. But I think if we administer that suffering, or allow it to be done in our name, we diminish ourselves. Penning them up and keeping them away from the rest of us is enough. I think killing them makes us more like them.
i support fully the death penality, this way our society can disinfect these criminal scrum. only i believe it should be more death choices like, hanging, guillotine, gas chamber, sniper shooter, impalement, torture death etc...other then lethal injection
With the death penalty, if you commit an atrocious act, your life and its meaning are extinguished, otherwise the state allows you to live and seek meaning in life. If life has meaning beyond simply not committing an atrocious act, it is immoral to deprive someone of life for that reason.
@Matur1n It depends on your definition. When the police are investigating murder, their unit is called homicide investigation. Persons are tried for homicide (the killing of a person). I realize that that is the UNLAWFUL killing of a person, but my argument is that killing by the state should be unlawful. It isn't yet in the US. I feel ashamed for my country that it hasn't reached the 21st century yet.
"When the police are investigating murder, their unit is called homicide investigation"
That's because it is only a homicide until they prove it is murder. Their oath makes them try to prove someone isn't guilty as much as they do guilty.
Many killings are legally justified. Like self-defense. Those are still homicides. As are negligently causing a death. But those aren't murder. All murders are homicides, but not all homocides are murders. In fact most aren't.
@Matur1n Point taken. Nevertheless I intend to refer to execution as murder. That's just the way I see it. I believe killing in self defense is justified, also killing in defense of another. But taking a person who is unarmed and defenseless out of a cell, where he already can't hurt the public, marching him to another room where he is coldly deprived of his life is not defending anyone. It is just killing. Just revenge. I cannot believe it benefits society in any way.
I certainly have mixed feelings myself. My point is really that there are several good arguments against the death penalty. You are better off sticking to the good ones. Using an argument like "the death certificate lists execution as a homicide" just sounds stupid to anyone who knows what the word homicide means. Diluting good arguments with weak/bad ones is bad strategy. The best is simply the common example of the triggerman getting life because he pled out & the getaway driver is executed.
I don't think anyone has the right to kill anyone else, even if they think they are doing the 'right' thing. No human being has more right to life than any other. Capital punishment isn't the way to deal with murderers.
I'm not really sure how anyone could be an executioner. It's just a state funded murderer. Imagine telling your kids that's what you did during the day..
@peebzzz in the real world, I think we have to kill people. Wars happen for example.
The person murdered as you say presumeably already killed somebody else.
I'll admit, one can have concerns about poor people or ppl being racially discriminated but the punishment fits the crime as long as somebody is really decisively proven guilty.
@truevoiceofsanity I don't think war's ok either. I want to live in the world where people aren't so threatened by one another they feel the need to kill a person. But I guess the real world isn't one that'll ever be one where humans respect each other.
I want to live in the same world but sadly we don`t IMO. I think the glass is half full. Its not all bad and certainly war should be a last line of defense.
Your from the UK. You look like a nice individual.
Anyway, here in Ottawa, a guy from the UK came here to work aged 25. A 17 year old was bored and was driving by shooting off his gun. Whether he intended to shoot the guy or not, he killed him. The punishment was 2 years manslaight and anger management.
I was once a strong advocate for capital punishment but I've changed my mind. I had many good sounding arguments from the moral to the economic, social cohesion, etc. but in the end my personal motivation was a belief in revenge. That a murderer should in turn be murdered.
Revenge is a very bad motive for anything. It rarely if ever satisfies the desire of the avengers.
There are some individuals who must be segregated from society permanently, murder is not needed for that.
Well said Largo, and I am looking forward to the "painless execution" video. Though I have to say i am against the death penalty, I feel its barbaric and holds us back as a society when we can cheapen the life of human being even if they are the scum of society. If we don't give the respect to basic human rights, especially toward our worst, what makes you think we wont lose it ourselves?
Largo get over it its a time where I do not want to pay the way for rapists and murderers to live in peaceful harmony of jail for the rest of their natural life. as far as i care we could throw them off a cliff to kill them i just don't want them around. get over it ppl die, some are so bad that we kill them as a result of their actions.
D00D, i was in jail for a year it wasnt too bad, cable T.V. three meals a day, oh and i had a gym to lift weights in and run, play B-ball or volley ball what ever. i even played board games and cards. yeah i had it pretty good in jail. it was quite relaxing.
@320iguy What about all the horror stories of gangs, rape, shankings and the like? Not true? The documentaries I've seen make it look like a species of hell.
so b/c cause you have seen a documentary that shows there is an ugly side to life in prison you believe that that goes on everywhere in the prison? and also occurs everyday? well i think you have a convoluted imagination, however i still don't think the death penalty is wrong. I cannot be convinced. most of these "people" are just animals there is no humanity in them what so ever. I mean if you are going to speak out about 'wrongful death' what about euthanasia on cats and dogs
@320iguy I think I posed it as a question. Are things as bad in prison as the media want us to think? Or is that just their kind of "scared straight" treatment for the ignorant public?
As to animal euthanasia, the reason for it should be obvious. If stray animals were not euthanized, their numbers would soon be overwhelming. They would pose a public health and safety problem. Feral dogs and cats in places where they are not well controlled already do.
analysis that statement before you go any further, "Feral dogs and cats in places where they are not well controlled already do." why are the people in jail more then a feral cat or dog? what makes a rapist or a murderer any different then a feral animal they have been proven to be a 'health' risk to society? why should we not feel safe in our own society, why should i have to pay for there life? they do not deserve there life if they have taken a life unjustly.
@320iguy Feral dogs and cats are by definition wild and uncontrolled. Persons in prison may still be wild in nature, but they are not free and they are controlled. We do not regard animal lives on the same level as human. You may think that is wrong, but that is a subject for a different video. Make one, and we'll talk about it. Meanwhile, it's one thing to euthanize animals and another to kill people. You are still talking about their "paying" for crimes. That's revenge, not protection.
no, i care not for the people 'wronged' by a murderer or a rapist. however if it were in my area and he was able to walk the streets why would i want that? this isn't a case where a man defended himself, or protected hi family form something horrible, these are gangsta for life people that are worthless to society to begin with, and serial killer/rapist, and even people that could potentially kill some one good or undeserving. no they're just as dangerous if not more so then a feral cat or dog.
i support both the death penalty and abortion but I'm unwilling to know the details of either.
In abortion, the sentience of the baby is important to me. My current data is before 7 months but preferably before 20 weeks.
For death penalty, the current controls in the US disturb me. Circumstantial evidence should not be allowed where execution is the outcome. Pain should be minimal. Muslim method might be fine lol.
Not really. I mean, I want them to be done with proper controls and anything that kills a person will disturb me. A 4 week old fetus without much brain still looks human to me
Most humane way might lol be decapitation if rapid enough but it grosses me out.
I'd like to see the justice reformed tho. I might object to some executions that happen today if due deligence to protect innocent not used
lol, sorry my comment was a little ambiguous, I meant it to mean that it is a good observation. We don't know how many painful executions have been caused due to the callus of prison guards.
@truevoiceofsanity's comment about decapitation: I considered that too at first, but I thought that the person's head remains conscious for another couple seconds before death. Wouldn't they be able to feel pain, since it's the brain that tells a person if they're hurting?
I'd think it would be like "feeling" ghost limbs; the brain isn't connected anymore, but the part of hte brain that "feels" that body part is still fine.
This Universe will hold the executioner responsible for the crimes of those he has executed. Anyone who thinks we are wise enough to punish someone by death is a damn fool who thinks as highly of himself as those who think that the Earth is at the center of the Universe. No one is more ignorant than he who thinks he knows something.
@KasparHauser4 That would help with one problem and create another. In many states there are three complete systems for lethal drugs, only one of which is actually delivering the killing drugs. That's so that individuals pushing the plunger don't know for sure who killed the convict. If it was always the same people, they would be like executioners of old, either hiding themselves or being reviled by at least part of the public.
anyway, to be fair you should also state in just as much detail the crimes these men committed. I am not saying I disagree with you, but people need to know, it's not black and white, it's a very messy ordeal on both sides of the fence, these men are not exactly innocent victims, not even close.
That being said, I do agree with you, although I don't think the ultimate decision is that cut and dry.
@MeIoco One of the botched executions I left out was that of John Wayne Gacey. I was sure a lot of people would just say, "So what? It should have hurt worse!" The pointis that, while not unusual, many, if not most executions are indeed cruel. I think they are unconstitutional by definition. One SCOTUS agreed with me and abolished the Death Penalty, then another SCOTUS thought it was NOT cruel. What we know for sure is that we are alone among western nations in killing our own citizens.
I do agree with you Largo, I think it's barbaric and inhumane .... I also think that the same phrase largely describes the human race. We are just beginning to mature, not quite adolescent. In-short - it's allot like slapping a child across the face while telling them it's bad to hit.
@MeIoco That's a good simile. The human race has come a long way from its infancy, but it is still in its youth and has much growing and maturing to do. I don't say that as a "mature" one myself. I'm only physically mature, but need ripening like everyone else.
@MeIoco As to the timing, I did a quick capture and it cut me off in mid-word at 9:59. Ten minutes is max unless you are grandfathered in as a director. I came in too late to get that status.
@MeIoco I have a few videos that are slightly over ten minutes. Those are ones I did on iMovie and uploaded to YouTube. But my iMovie isn't working well now (too little memory left) and YouTube's quick capture just cut me off in the middle of a word at 9:59. I have no control over the upper end of the time.
I heard a case from france after a man was decapitated by the guillotine. A docter grabed the head before it hit the basket...3 times in a row when the docter said the condemed man's name...the eyes in the severd head glanced up and made eye contact
There was a werewolf movie from the 1980s or so that mentioned that when people were guillotined, the executioner would hold up the head so the crowd could see the person moving his mouth as if to scream. Later, a werewolf bit a guy's head off so they could show his head on the ground moving his mouth.
@defect530 A large enough dose can kill outright. But the doses administered to people are calculated for everything going like clockwork. If it takes too long, people suffer. Unfortunately it often takes too long, because technicians aren't adequately trained to do the job without screwing up. And because it's "bad guys" they're killing, perhaps they aren't concerned to do a better job.
Innocent men have been executed, only to be later found completely innocent with DNA evidence. Until we can 100 percent ensure that no one is wrongly executed, we can not chance it - or that makes the state itself guilty of first degree murder.
@onlywhenprovoked This has been my biggest objection to the death penalty. Too often people are convicted because investigators and DAs wanted to clear their cases, and cared less about the truth than a swift verdict.
That reminds me of the Ace Attorney series of games for Nintendo DS.
The ruthless prosecutor Miles Edgeworth does anything to preserve his perfect record. But he later re-evaluates his purpose and begins cooperating with defense attorneys to discover the truth of each case.
Well when I see on the news of young men torturing and murdering children . All I can think of is these cowards need to feel pain and suffering. Fuck forgiveness and civility. Brutalize the bastards publicly.
@mcgaugh57 The death penalty has never been a deterrent, for the reason that most homicides are done in passion and without reflection, and people who do plan to commit murder don't expect to get caught.
Gladiatorial combat! That'll make them think twice...
Seriously, look into the psychology of aggression, and you will see that it is passion, that often leads to homicide. Passion is often devoid of the logic and reason that would constrain someone from committing a terrible crime.
Another point, what good is it to kill them for killing someone else? Blood for blood? Eye for an eye? Need I say more?
You really did not say anything. For instance this man that just raped then killed a 5 year old girl. You see no need to make an example of this piece of trash ? Hang the scum up and start dismembering him publicly. I know it will deter a lot of others from doing it.
The problem is that the more gruesome the murder, the more likely the jury desires to mete out justice, and the more likely it is that an innocent person will be convicted.
Using the state and the law as a weapon to satisfy your anger and lust for revenge is no better than any other killer who thinks he has a justifiable reason to murder someone.
@mcgaugh57 A person who rapes and kills a child is a pedophile. Such a person is mentally ill, and will not be deterred by punishment, however gruesome it may be. Like the calculating murderer, this person doesn't expect to get caught.
Once he is caught, killing him is no more than revenge. It does nothing to bring back his victim.
Then so be it. Since we both know there is no God to exact revenge that leaves it to us. And I'm not so convinced that a horrible death would not deter sex offenders.
How many innocent people are you willing to have tortured to death every year to try to deter a sex offender? Would you be willing to die that way for a crime you did not commit? Would you feel OK if your son was tortured to death for a crime he didn't do?
The death penalty would deter people from parking illegally in a handicap spot, but it doesn't mean we should institute it.
Jump to the simple side of it. How many innocent people now with the way things are done do you think get convicted ? That is not an issue. Stopping people from committing these horrific crimes should be the issue. Concerning ourselves that these people might feel some pain is pathetic. It should hurt
@bulbinking not true. If it were, there would be no executions performed.
Execution of innocents is a concern. People watching the execution including families of the victims is wrong.
Circumstantial evidence or any violation of procedure shuld not be allowed; e.g, a Canadian executed in Georgia was denied access to his family during trial.
@bulbinking In the time in the US when summary executions by hanging were common, not only were there murders, but people risked hanging to steel a steer or a horse. Those crimes were punishable by death, but that didn't curtail them at all.
while that may or may not be true you cant honestly believe that the prospect of capitol punishment for crime had no effect on the actions of would be criminals
@bulbinking I do, indeed "honestly believe" that capital punishment has NO effect on the actions of would be criminals. I have cited examples of pickpockets picking pockets in crowds watching the execution of a pickpocket. I have also pointed out that persons actually planning a murder don't expect to be caught, while most other violent crimes are spur of the moment. No thought is given to possible punishment. Capital punishment only adds to the pile of bodies. It doesn't shrink it.
"How many innocent people now with the way things are done do you think get convicted?"
139 have been *proven* innocent (after being found gulilty beyond reasonable doubt and sentenced to death) since 1973. Nearly 1 in 4 errors were police and prosecutor misconduct or bias by the judge or jury. It takes a great deal of effort to get a person off death row, and most aren't afforded that. There are probably many more innocents awaiting execution and you want to torture them, too?
That was then this is now. With forensics being allowed in court it is much less likely to have a false conviction. We are way to easy on hasdcore criminals. We lock them up where they kill guards and other cons. Just eliminate the garbage and be done with it.
Forensics is another wrong answer. 19% of the errors were police and prosecutor misconduct. 37% were inept defense lawyers. A local kid was held for a year for the murder of his twin brother. Forensics said they found his bloody palm print in the house. Turns out it was his dead brother's bloody palm print below the kid's palm print in his own house. It took a year for the forensics team to realize that two different palm prints were found, not one.
There are two factors in a deterrent, the risk and the hazard.
Risk is the chance the hazard will occur, hazard is the punishment itself.
I have no doubt that torturing terrorists will deter them, but that doesn't mean we should do it. Should we take part in what you propose we're just as bad, if not worse than them.
I don't want to see any Cops killed. I don't want to hear about 5 year old girls raped and killed. The punishment should fit the crime. You torture and rape you get tortured and raped.
@thefakeyeti that is frequently getting them killed anyway.
I don't believe prison's should be unsafe. That's a cop out like putting prison's of war in Cuba and continuing to critisize the later for human rights abuses.
who gives a dam if its painless, did they care about their victims? i was stabbed 3 times for nothing and left for dead, i dont care about these people . start a chain and dig your own grave and the next one in line,use the dirt from his hole to cover the one before him.
thegigimiller 2 months ago
wheres the res of your vids?
Scipiz0a 5 months ago
@Scipiz0a If you mean the death penalty series, I have been having a lot of trouble with my computer, and at the moment I don't have a webcam. I will be back, however. I intend to do one on the comparison of cost between executing a prisoner and keeping him for life. A lot of people will be surprised at the statistics on that one.
Largo64 5 months ago
@Scipiz0a I just tried to play this, and I see that it stops a little less than 8 mnutes in. I have no idea why. I can't get it to go past that point.
Largo64 5 months ago
sir i aplaud your knowledge of capital punishment
DESERTRANGER7 7 months ago
I'm curious, why don't they simply anesthetize the people in exactly the same way they do it in hospitals before and during operations? That should be completely painless, shouldn't it? People are operated on a daily basis, and the cases where something goes wrong and people gain consciousness during operations seem to be miniscule. Where's the catch?
QuintusSecundus 1 year ago
@QuintusSecundus The catch seems to be that death penalty proponents generally think executions SHOULD be terrifying and painful. That is the primary reason that no state has adopted nor, to my knowledge, even proposed the use of nitrogen hypoxia, which is utterly painless, absolutely certain, and causes even a sense of euphoria preceding death.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64
Is that really it? Don't they always claim that they're looking for the best methods to do it? I mean that would be an explanation, but it seems kind of counter productive if they really support the death penalty, as they give people who want to completely abolish it good arguments.
QuintusSecundus 1 year ago
@QuintusSecundus It does seem counter to their goal, doesn't it. But there is no state that is unaware of that option, and, as far as I know, none has taken steps to use nitrogen.
Largo64 1 year ago
@QuintusSecundus b/c thats the job of the 1st drug the other 2 drugs are whats actually killng the condemned
gamer3able 11 months ago
I'm not entirely sold that its painless. The more I hear and read about this type of execution, the more I start to become against it.
Grimfaith87 1 year ago
Here in Sweden we have a description of impractical people as "having the thumb in the middle of the hand", and it appears to me that it would be a fair description of some of the execution teams around the US. I am a death penalty proponent because death is the only cure for psychopathy - which I'm sure is the case with the wast majority of the death-men. I don't believe that the death penalty is a deterrent because of the fact that all psychopaths believe that they are smarter than anyone else
doomdayjudge 1 year ago
The death penalty is sickening. I don't see how execution (AKA official murder) is legal, and how people consider it "justice". Killing someone for killing is wrong. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind. Great video and I hope that lethal injection, as well as other forms of execution, are outlawed.
xrickXjamesx 1 year ago
You're are a smart man.
fredjustsucks 1 year ago
tell that to the real victems!
mohawkynot 1 year ago
It's nice to see that someone with an opinion has done an excellent amount of homework. I agree with you that the prospect of lethal injection is murder, however, I believe the use of capital punishment, including the death penalty, deters criminals from committing crime. People like me, who believe the application of the death penalty should be in place, focus on preventing crime, and not the consequences. It has nothing to do with not caring for humanity.
kmcfarlin 1 year ago
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unitedstatesdale 2 years ago
@unitedstatesdale You are blocked from my channel hereafter. I don't care if you disagree with me about the death penalty, or anything else for that matter. Opinions are welcome here. But I do not tolerate the "n" word, nor people who use it.
Largo64 2 years ago
@Largo64 thanks for that Largo
vaddoff 1 year ago
@Largo64
VampiresBiteHard666 1 year ago
@Largo64 Hats off to you for (while still encouraching dialogue and our right to free speech) removing hate-mongers. Also, cheers to your comment (in another video) about only the dead being consistent. It takes class and wisdom for one to allow one's worldview to evolve.
BishopNo 1 year ago
@BishopNo Before someone points it out (as someone did in the video where I said it), I neglected to attribute the quote (or paraphrase, because I didn't look it up and quote directly) that the only truly consistent people are the dead. Aldus Huxley said it, or at least wrote it down first. That assumes that he didn't hear it sometime in his past and state it among the ideas in which he believed. People will pick, even though we all imbibe ideas from others. I stated it as a belief, not a quote.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 I understood it as a belief. So that we're all clear, then: hats off to Huxley, and, again, hats off to you for repeating it (without claiming it as your own).
BishopNo 1 year ago
Thanks Largo64 for your very informative contributions to YouTube!
Popperite 2 years ago
who is the executioner? random people?
likitty20 2 years ago
OK so you happily bang on about how wrong capital punishment is, how about you blabber on about how the vitim (the true victim) had his head stoved in , how his brains left his body at 2000 feet per second with a handgun bullet, how g]many times the person was stabbed and left to die....in agony. Save your tears for the true victim.
autopilotflight 2 years ago
You miss the point entirely, which is, stated yet again, that venting our public anger or desire for revenge is not justice, but it does bring all of us who assent to it down to the level of him we kill. It is bad for everyone.
Largo64 2 years ago
ohhhh that eggtimer !!!!!
zeb120 2 years ago
@autopilotflight And so we, too, become murderers? How is THAT just? There are many MANY ways we can cause great suffering to an evil creature without becoming that which we abhor. True suffering doesn't need to be physical. It can be emotional and psychological. We could make a convicted killer languish in agony for the entirety of his natural life without ever having to stoop to his level and compromise our own morality by coating our hands with his blood.
Synwolf85 1 year ago
The execution of Stanley "Tookie" Williams describes the phrase "in cold blood" about as well as anything can. Please read the last link I just added in the information box. Williams co-founded the Crips, a violent Los Angeles Gang. While in prison he renounced violence, and wrote books to help kids do the same. He was nominated 5 times for the Nobel Peace Prize. But his plea for a commuted sentence was met with a stony denial by Gov. Arnold Shwarzenegger. Guess that'll teach him.
Largo64 2 years ago
I think that are some good trials that match up to the death penalty although i am not for it at ALL. Like the time when a man name Chuck/Chucky something was executed although he had little reason of dying like that. He was a gangster that killed most of 6 ppl, but he then quit the gang and wrote children/teen books on why not to do so. i think he learned his lesson.
good vid
kaykayeem 2 years ago
@kaykayeem I think you mean Stanley "Tookie" Williams. He was a Los Angeles gang leader who, while he did try to atone for his own crimes, refused to help police end the careers of other gang members. He was executed in San Quenton, seemingly more out of spite than anything else. Whatever his good works, the authorities felt his thumb in their eye.
Largo64 2 years ago
Most states use more than 2 g of Sodium Thiopental, that's enough to put the condemned in a chemical coma, far beyond that drugs typical use in surgeries. Ohio now uses only Sodium Thiopental, they use a whopping 5 g!
I guess that is why the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the constitutionality of lethal injection, because its painless.
The only area for error to occur is with the 'needle work,' which Ohio has also solved by allowing for intramuscular injections if the IV sites go awry.
1stLtDavis 2 years ago
@1stLtDavis Thanks for the info I didn't have. Of course, all of my videos on the subject are here because I am against the death penalty however it is administered. I've given reasons in other videos, but I will try to cover the topic better in a future vid. I was a supporter of the DP not that long ago. I've changed my mind, and I wanted to say why.
Largo64 2 years ago
Oh yeah that's cool. I am just glad you didn't make up crap like so many opponents do and say, 'Oh, well life in prison is so much harder...' etc. etc.
Obviously that claim is a lie, otherwise the vast majority of death row inmates would not spend damn near 10 years appealing their death sentence in hopes of getting commuted to LWOP.
1stLtDavis 2 years ago
you look like my grandpa
Paralyzer 2 years ago
@Paralyzer No doubt I'm old enough to be SOMEBODY's grandpa. But I don't think I ever met your grandma!
Largo64 2 years ago
What year is this?
OLTEK1 2 years ago
@OLTEK1 2009
kaykayeem 2 years ago
Thanks, I thought we might be in the dark ages.
OLTEK1 2 years ago
The death penalty is a crap form of punishment. It would be far more harsh to be given life in prison.
BipedalHumanoid 2 years ago
My boyfirned is against the death penalty, whereas I am not. It's hard to say, "we shouldn't use leathal injection, because it may not be peaceful & painless", when you counter w/what might me the horrible way a victim may have died. But, just to be "humane", maybe we should go back to a "for sure" method: point-blank 50 calibur to the back of the skull.
My apologies to anyone offended...
ShortbusMooner 2 years ago
What about the innocent people killed? ( Yes, courts make mistakes) What about the effects on people who are hired kill other people all day? And most importantly, what does it even accomplish?
PrplPplEatr 2 years ago
why kill someone when you can have free workers? i like the idea of forced labor, give something back to the society.
dsego84 2 years ago
The Death Penalty is called a homicide, but in addition to that......an autopsy is always preformed. You failed to mention this fact.
Like they didn't know what killed the person.
bigboy45454545 2 years ago
@bigboy45454545 The point was not that they didn't know the cause of death, but that they called it by the same name as if a murder had occurred. The ME could as easily have written, death by execution.
Largo64 2 years ago
a bullet between the eyes is painless, quick, and cheap.
KonanXIX 2 years ago
"Capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders, to which no criminal's deed, however calculated can be compared." - Albert Camus
dogblessamerica 2 years ago
Why do they bother with three injections anyway? Wouldn't painless death be easier with a bucket of morphine?
JohnTraviss 2 years ago
Morphine causes a great many people to projectile vomit, so instead they use a saline solution at a drip rate of what is called a keep vein open (KVO) then they use a combination of sedatives to slow down the mental awareness of the condemned and then a massive does of potassium chloride to cause a heart attack... funny thing is the sedative could cause a person to die due to the skeletal muscles to become paralyzed and cause death by suffocation.
mynameisbobtoo 2 years ago
But, is it painless suffocation?
JohnTraviss 2 years ago
No it's pretty horrible. Have you ever had a drink "go down the wrong pipe"? Or suck water into your lungs while swimming? Or have some one stand on your back as you lay on your chest? It's a pretty horrible way to go...
mynameisbobtoo 2 years ago
I can't say that I'd feel completely easy about someone feeling euphoria as a form of punishment. But I guess I'll have to wait till you make the next video to expound upon the method. Though I still feel as of right now that putting a person to sleep is the most humane way to do it. Namely by them having passed out before they lose the ability to breathe.
Smaug84 2 years ago
Michael Portillo,a former British politician,made a documentary ("How to kill a human being")in which he searches for the ultimate humane method.Having dismissed all currently available ones,he arrived at inducing a state of hypoxia,a condition whereby the victim gradually loses all mental functions(thereby reducing and finally eliminating the stress of being put to death) before unconsciousness and finally death occurs.Of course, the death penalty still has no place in any civilised democracy
mdfd 2 years ago
@Largo
I myself haven't been any saint when it comes to beliefs on how certain people should be punished. But I've mellowed over time by comparing it to such things the harvesting of animals. I wouldn't want a mink to be skinned alive, so I figured humans deserved equal rights in that regard. I even went a step further once in my beliefs for supporting a victim's right to harvest a trophy from the assailant. But that's a blatant vigilante style action. Continued...
Smaug84 2 years ago
Now as for which punishments I think should be meted out, well that falls back on how I can imagine the pain being. We can either go with an automated system for hanging in which they are guaranteed to not choke while not decapitating them. Or we can go with a different form of lethal injection. We as a society should already know that purified opiates like heroin & morphine. So why not give them a peaceful death with some form of opiate?
Smaug84 2 years ago
@Smaug84 There already exists a method which not only causes no pain or panic, but actually introduces euphoria before death. It is highly unlikely ever to be used precisely BECAUSE it is utterly painless. Most people who believe in the death penalty think it should be painful and frightening. I used to be one of them.
Largo64 2 years ago
So obviously video footage proven to be undoctored along with physical evidence showing that malice was present should be the ultimate requirement for the DP. There should be ZERO doubt before we're willing to execute another fully sentient being. If there is any doubt while there being a sufficient amount of physical evidence to show malice aforethought then life imprisonment should be used.
Smaug84 2 years ago
First I think our justice system should revolve around reforming the individual, but we live in a realistic society in which certain crimes will always be viewed as being irredeemable. Secondly since I believe we should have such a system then I believe prison space will be at a premium as it is now. As such I'd continue both the DP and life imprisonment, the punishment depending on the quality of evidence so that we minimize the number of innocent deaths/lengthy imprisonment immensely.
Smaug84 2 years ago
I do not understand why they use two injections to end life processes - the muscle relaxant seems like an unecessary step, since the person will lose consciousness within seconds of the heart being stopped. I imagine it is done to reduce any struggling or convulsions, but if the person is conscious when the muscle relaxant takes effect, I would imagine this to be a rather unpleasant feeling of paralysis, including of the ability to breathe.
ChrisJMoor 2 years ago
It makes me sick that we still kill each other.
I consider the death penalty a horrendous act. I do consider it murder. You don't repay an evil act with an evil act. Repaying murder with murder is evil. It's as simple as that.
...Oh, but what do I know? I'm just a bleeding heart liberal.
nathanforst 2 years ago
The parts of the world where they still have the death penalty tend to have the highest rates of violent crimes anyway, it is small wonder the people in these areas find state mandated killing acceptable.
ChrisJMoor 2 years ago
I suspect that violent crimes are tied more to socioeconomic conditions then a murderer being executed.
Smaug84 2 years ago
Yes, they are. But just as being poor and uneducated predisposes to violent crime, so it predisposes to the desire for the state to kill those that do it.
ChrisJMoor 2 years ago
I guess I should state that since I'm an avowed naturalist I don't think of humans as being either noble in nature or savage. Nor do I think that society having the death penalty changes our nature in any appreciable way.
The issue though is whether or not we should have the DP, or at least that's what I've gathered. Due to character limits I'll expound upon what parameters I think should be met before execution is even a valid punishment, and I'll detail few ways to go about it humanely.
Smaug84 2 years ago
@truevoiceofsanity I can't feel sorry for Gacey either. As I have said before, not that long ago I was one of those who said there SHOULD be a death penalty and that it should hurt. I have changed my mind. It isn't that I think nobody deserves to suffer. But I think if we administer that suffering, or allow it to be done in our name, we diminish ourselves. Penning them up and keeping them away from the rest of us is enough. I think killing them makes us more like them.
Largo64 2 years ago
"I think killing them makes us more like them"
Probably true. Odd thing is, for all my talk, I couldn't pull the trigger so to speak.
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
well you are all sick in the head.....the `state` should never have the right to kill some one!
barakameek 2 years ago
i support fully the death penality, this way our society can disinfect these criminal scrum. only i believe it should be more death choices like, hanging, guillotine, gas chamber, sniper shooter, impalement, torture death etc...other then lethal injection
NOVAGIRL666 2 years ago
but you assume that those carrying out the killing would be uncorruptable? who would you trust with that kind of power?
TehCybernerd 2 years ago
With the death penalty, if you commit an atrocious act, your life and its meaning are extinguished, otherwise the state allows you to live and seek meaning in life. If life has meaning beyond simply not committing an atrocious act, it is immoral to deprive someone of life for that reason.
8WholeThing 2 years ago
Murder and homocide aren't the same thing.
Matur1n 2 years ago
@Matur1n It depends on your definition. When the police are investigating murder, their unit is called homicide investigation. Persons are tried for homicide (the killing of a person). I realize that that is the UNLAWFUL killing of a person, but my argument is that killing by the state should be unlawful. It isn't yet in the US. I feel ashamed for my country that it hasn't reached the 21st century yet.
Largo64 2 years ago
"When the police are investigating murder, their unit is called homicide investigation"
That's because it is only a homicide until they prove it is murder. Their oath makes them try to prove someone isn't guilty as much as they do guilty.
Many killings are legally justified. Like self-defense. Those are still homicides. As are negligently causing a death. But those aren't murder. All murders are homicides, but not all homocides are murders. In fact most aren't.
Matur1n 2 years ago
@Matur1n Point taken. Nevertheless I intend to refer to execution as murder. That's just the way I see it. I believe killing in self defense is justified, also killing in defense of another. But taking a person who is unarmed and defenseless out of a cell, where he already can't hurt the public, marching him to another room where he is coldly deprived of his life is not defending anyone. It is just killing. Just revenge. I cannot believe it benefits society in any way.
Largo64 2 years ago
I certainly have mixed feelings myself. My point is really that there are several good arguments against the death penalty. You are better off sticking to the good ones. Using an argument like "the death certificate lists execution as a homicide" just sounds stupid to anyone who knows what the word homicide means. Diluting good arguments with weak/bad ones is bad strategy. The best is simply the common example of the triggerman getting life because he pled out & the getaway driver is executed.
Matur1n 2 years ago
I don't think anyone has the right to kill anyone else, even if they think they are doing the 'right' thing. No human being has more right to life than any other. Capital punishment isn't the way to deal with murderers.
I'm not really sure how anyone could be an executioner. It's just a state funded murderer. Imagine telling your kids that's what you did during the day..
peebzzz 2 years ago
@peebzzz in the real world, I think we have to kill people. Wars happen for example.
The person murdered as you say presumeably already killed somebody else.
I'll admit, one can have concerns about poor people or ppl being racially discriminated but the punishment fits the crime as long as somebody is really decisively proven guilty.
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
@truevoiceofsanity I don't think war's ok either. I want to live in the world where people aren't so threatened by one another they feel the need to kill a person. But I guess the real world isn't one that'll ever be one where humans respect each other.
peebzzz 2 years ago
I want to live in the same world but sadly we don`t IMO. I think the glass is half full. Its not all bad and certainly war should be a last line of defense.
Your from the UK. You look like a nice individual.
Anyway, here in Ottawa, a guy from the UK came here to work aged 25. A 17 year old was bored and was driving by shooting off his gun. Whether he intended to shoot the guy or not, he killed him. The punishment was 2 years manslaight and anger management.
25 years old. :(.
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
(This is one of my "pussy liberal opinons")
But I just wish there were a way to rehabilitate murderours, rapists, child molesters etc etc..
It is of my belief that most of them have SOME sort of disorder.. or under lining problem..
And if we had a way to rehabilitate someone that worked 100% of the time..
I would feel 100% safe, completely FREEING them..
(Problem is, for a 100% method, it probably would cross the line of brainwashing. Creating controversy!)
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
I can't imagine how a so-called civilized country can still apply the 'death penalty'.
Rettequetette 2 years ago
why kill them when they can rot in jail my opinion that is all death is to nice when they can stay in jail for life
afropagangirl11223 2 years ago
I was once a strong advocate for capital punishment but I've changed my mind. I had many good sounding arguments from the moral to the economic, social cohesion, etc. but in the end my personal motivation was a belief in revenge. That a murderer should in turn be murdered.
Revenge is a very bad motive for anything. It rarely if ever satisfies the desire of the avengers.
There are some individuals who must be segregated from society permanently, murder is not needed for that.
macnutz 2 years ago
Well said Largo, and I am looking forward to the "painless execution" video. Though I have to say i am against the death penalty, I feel its barbaric and holds us back as a society when we can cheapen the life of human being even if they are the scum of society. If we don't give the respect to basic human rights, especially toward our worst, what makes you think we wont lose it ourselves?
thequantumflux 2 years ago
Largo get over it its a time where I do not want to pay the way for rapists and murderers to live in peaceful harmony of jail for the rest of their natural life. as far as i care we could throw them off a cliff to kill them i just don't want them around. get over it ppl die, some are so bad that we kill them as a result of their actions.
haven't you ever heard of karma?
320iguy 2 years ago
Ah, magic. I agree. That makes it alright.
Fjarhultian 2 years ago
D00D magic has nothing to do with it. Karma is just another way of saying ht e universe is a balanced environment, so go fuck your self.
BTW i was saving those Karma 'chips' just for you.
320iguy 2 years ago
OK, sorry. Universal super magic. Got it.
Fjarhultian 2 years ago
"haven't you ever heard of karma?"
Yes, it's a word used to make retribution seem more justifiable.
naphra2 2 years ago
no what goes around comes around.
320iguy 2 years ago
"live in peaceful harmony of jail"
It's hard to take the comment seriously when you use the words "Peaceful" and "harmony" to describe JAIL.
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
D00D, i was in jail for a year it wasnt too bad, cable T.V. three meals a day, oh and i had a gym to lift weights in and run, play B-ball or volley ball what ever. i even played board games and cards. yeah i had it pretty good in jail. it was quite relaxing.
320iguy 2 years ago
@320iguy What about all the horror stories of gangs, rape, shankings and the like? Not true? The documentaries I've seen make it look like a species of hell.
Largo64 2 years ago
so b/c cause you have seen a documentary that shows there is an ugly side to life in prison you believe that that goes on everywhere in the prison? and also occurs everyday? well i think you have a convoluted imagination, however i still don't think the death penalty is wrong. I cannot be convinced. most of these "people" are just animals there is no humanity in them what so ever. I mean if you are going to speak out about 'wrongful death' what about euthanasia on cats and dogs
320iguy 2 years ago
@320iguy I think I posed it as a question. Are things as bad in prison as the media want us to think? Or is that just their kind of "scared straight" treatment for the ignorant public?
As to animal euthanasia, the reason for it should be obvious. If stray animals were not euthanized, their numbers would soon be overwhelming. They would pose a public health and safety problem. Feral dogs and cats in places where they are not well controlled already do.
Largo64 2 years ago
analysis that statement before you go any further, "Feral dogs and cats in places where they are not well controlled already do." why are the people in jail more then a feral cat or dog? what makes a rapist or a murderer any different then a feral animal they have been proven to be a 'health' risk to society? why should we not feel safe in our own society, why should i have to pay for there life? they do not deserve there life if they have taken a life unjustly.
320iguy 2 years ago
@320iguy Feral dogs and cats are by definition wild and uncontrolled. Persons in prison may still be wild in nature, but they are not free and they are controlled. We do not regard animal lives on the same level as human. You may think that is wrong, but that is a subject for a different video. Make one, and we'll talk about it. Meanwhile, it's one thing to euthanize animals and another to kill people. You are still talking about their "paying" for crimes. That's revenge, not protection.
Largo64 2 years ago
no, i care not for the people 'wronged' by a murderer or a rapist. however if it were in my area and he was able to walk the streets why would i want that? this isn't a case where a man defended himself, or protected hi family form something horrible, these are gangsta for life people that are worthless to society to begin with, and serial killer/rapist, and even people that could potentially kill some one good or undeserving. no they're just as dangerous if not more so then a feral cat or dog.
320iguy 2 years ago
i support both the death penalty and abortion but I'm unwilling to know the details of either.
In abortion, the sentience of the baby is important to me. My current data is before 7 months but preferably before 20 weeks.
For death penalty, the current controls in the US disturb me. Circumstantial evidence should not be allowed where execution is the outcome. Pain should be minimal. Muslim method might be fine lol.
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
"But I', unwilling to know the details of either"
So you are basing your decisions on incomplete information..
i want to hear about EVERY abortion that wen't wrong, and EVERY death penality that went wrong..
THEN I will feel confident enough to say
I am anti death penalty, but pro choice.
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Not really. I mean, I want them to be done with proper controls and anything that kills a person will disturb me. A 4 week old fetus without much brain still looks human to me
Most humane way might lol be decapitation if rapid enough but it grosses me out.
I'd like to see the justice reformed tho. I might object to some executions that happen today if due deligence to protect innocent not used
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
Time ran out? NOOOOO!
TheD0ded0de 2 years ago
lol, sorry my comment was a little ambiguous, I meant it to mean that it is a good observation. We don't know how many painful executions have been caused due to the callus of prison guards.
SuperAtheistBrothers 2 years ago
I'm curious to hear about the method that is completely painless and nobody uses...
Dhesyca 2 years ago
@Dhesyca Think deep sea diving.
Largo64 2 years ago
I dunno, Larry. Being eaten by squids seems painful to me.
8WholeThing 2 years ago
decapitation by a high powered rapid knife should be completely painless.
if its high powered enough, it shouldnt go wrong
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
@truevoiceofsanity's comment about decapitation: I considered that too at first, but I thought that the person's head remains conscious for another couple seconds before death. Wouldn't they be able to feel pain, since it's the brain that tells a person if they're hurting?
I'd think it would be like "feeling" ghost limbs; the brain isn't connected anymore, but the part of hte brain that "feels" that body part is still fine.
Dhesyca 2 years ago
This Universe will hold the executioner responsible for the crimes of those he has executed. Anyone who thinks we are wise enough to punish someone by death is a damn fool who thinks as highly of himself as those who think that the Earth is at the center of the Universe. No one is more ignorant than he who thinks he knows something.
FCKEVRY1 2 years ago
"No one is more ignorant than he who thinks he knows something."
Are you sure?
8WholeThing 2 years ago
Not at all.
FCKEVRY1 2 years ago
The universe won't do a damned thing to the executioners..
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
I guess we'll just have to wait and see, huh? I hope you're wrong.
FCKEVRY1 2 years ago
Lethal Injection is suppose to be easier on the ones doing the killing not the ones being killed. Is the painless form of execution the Guillotine?
maciolek1980 2 years ago
Personaly, I think the best, least complicated method of execution is to just be shot in the head multiple times by a firing squad.
DavidBoettger 2 years ago
Why couldn't we have a tiny pool of medically trained anesthesiologist/executioners that go from state to state performing all the executions?
Another way would be to shoot them full of morphine then shoot them in the head or decapitate them in a guillotine.
KasparHauser4 2 years ago
@KasparHauser4 That would help with one problem and create another. In many states there are three complete systems for lethal drugs, only one of which is actually delivering the killing drugs. That's so that individuals pushing the plunger don't know for sure who killed the convict. If it was always the same people, they would be like executioners of old, either hiding themselves or being reviled by at least part of the public.
Largo64 2 years ago
You could do that with an electronic system. ;)
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
Largo you can go till 10:59, you know that right?
anyway, to be fair you should also state in just as much detail the crimes these men committed. I am not saying I disagree with you, but people need to know, it's not black and white, it's a very messy ordeal on both sides of the fence, these men are not exactly innocent victims, not even close.
That being said, I do agree with you, although I don't think the ultimate decision is that cut and dry.
MeIoco 2 years ago
@MeIoco One of the botched executions I left out was that of John Wayne Gacey. I was sure a lot of people would just say, "So what? It should have hurt worse!" The pointis that, while not unusual, many, if not most executions are indeed cruel. I think they are unconstitutional by definition. One SCOTUS agreed with me and abolished the Death Penalty, then another SCOTUS thought it was NOT cruel. What we know for sure is that we are alone among western nations in killing our own citizens.
Largo64 2 years ago
I do agree with you Largo, I think it's barbaric and inhumane .... I also think that the same phrase largely describes the human race. We are just beginning to mature, not quite adolescent. In-short - it's allot like slapping a child across the face while telling them it's bad to hit.
MeIoco 2 years ago
@MeIoco That's a good simile. The human race has come a long way from its infancy, but it is still in its youth and has much growing and maturing to do. I don't say that as a "mature" one myself. I'm only physically mature, but need ripening like everyone else.
Largo64 2 years ago
@MeIoco As to the timing, I did a quick capture and it cut me off in mid-word at 9:59. Ten minutes is max unless you are grandfathered in as a director. I came in too late to get that status.
Largo64 2 years ago
no really you can go just short of 11 minutes, look at my videos, I'm not a director ...
anyway, thanks for the video. great stuff!
MeIoco 2 years ago
@MeIoco I have a few videos that are slightly over ten minutes. Those are ones I did on iMovie and uploaded to YouTube. But my iMovie isn't working well now (too little memory left) and YouTube's quick capture just cut me off in the middle of a word at 9:59. I have no control over the upper end of the time.
Largo64 2 years ago
Who would know? If the lethal chemicals were successful, no one's the wiser.
SuperAtheistBrothers 2 years ago
Is the painless execution method decapitation, by any chance?
nihilusmaster 2 years ago
I heard a case from france after a man was decapitated by the guillotine. A docter grabed the head before it hit the basket...3 times in a row when the docter said the condemed man's name...the eyes in the severd head glanced up and made eye contact
mnewf2002 2 years ago
There was a werewolf movie from the 1980s or so that mentioned that when people were guillotined, the executioner would hold up the head so the crowd could see the person moving his mouth as if to scream. Later, a werewolf bit a guy's head off so they could show his head on the ground moving his mouth.
8WholeThing 2 years ago
seems to me the problem is the person administering the drugs. not the drugs them selves.
defect530 2 years ago
@defect530 Largely true.
Largo64 2 years ago
i used to work for the humane society. we used sodium pentathol 1 cc for 10 lbs.
the animals usually were dead in less than 30 sec. no sign of pain.
defect530 2 years ago
@defect530 A large enough dose can kill outright. But the doses administered to people are calculated for everything going like clockwork. If it takes too long, people suffer. Unfortunately it often takes too long, because technicians aren't adequately trained to do the job without screwing up. And because it's "bad guys" they're killing, perhaps they aren't concerned to do a better job.
Largo64 2 years ago
Wow Larry, this sounds worse then that Electric chair.
ITs all so gastly.
MrRobHere 2 years ago
Innocent men have been executed, only to be later found completely innocent with DNA evidence. Until we can 100 percent ensure that no one is wrongly executed, we can not chance it - or that makes the state itself guilty of first degree murder.
onlywhenprovoked 2 years ago
@onlywhenprovoked This has been my biggest objection to the death penalty. Too often people are convicted because investigators and DAs wanted to clear their cases, and cared less about the truth than a swift verdict.
Largo64 2 years ago
That reminds me of the Ace Attorney series of games for Nintendo DS.
The ruthless prosecutor Miles Edgeworth does anything to preserve his perfect record. But he later re-evaluates his purpose and begins cooperating with defense attorneys to discover the truth of each case.
Fjarhultian 2 years ago
excellent video!
let's hope the next one won't be too many months away!
gregapage 2 years ago
Why does it need to be painless ? It should be brutal and bloody. Like the end of Braveheart then it may be a deterrent.
mcgaugh57 2 years ago
that's a very typical point of view.
for the 15th century, homer.
floydstinkyboy 2 years ago
Well when I see on the news of young men torturing and murdering children . All I can think of is these cowards need to feel pain and suffering. Fuck forgiveness and civility. Brutalize the bastards publicly.
mcgaugh57 2 years ago
@mcgaugh57 The death penalty has never been a deterrent, for the reason that most homicides are done in passion and without reflection, and people who do plan to commit murder don't expect to get caught.
Largo64 2 years ago
If we made a public display of the pain and suffering they will go through. I bet it would deter a lot of crime.
mcgaugh57 2 years ago
Gladiatorial combat! That'll make them think twice...
Seriously, look into the psychology of aggression, and you will see that it is passion, that often leads to homicide. Passion is often devoid of the logic and reason that would constrain someone from committing a terrible crime.
Another point, what good is it to kill them for killing someone else? Blood for blood? Eye for an eye? Need I say more?
SuperAtheistBrothers 2 years ago
You really did not say anything. For instance this man that just raped then killed a 5 year old girl. You see no need to make an example of this piece of trash ? Hang the scum up and start dismembering him publicly. I know it will deter a lot of others from doing it.
mcgaugh57 2 years ago
The problem is that the more gruesome the murder, the more likely the jury desires to mete out justice, and the more likely it is that an innocent person will be convicted.
Using the state and the law as a weapon to satisfy your anger and lust for revenge is no better than any other killer who thinks he has a justifiable reason to murder someone.
8WholeThing 2 years ago
In a system that mcgaugh mentioned..
I htink the jury may over think it..
And it may increase the numbers of people found innocent..
How many people can say "Guility" knowing the potentially innocent, but KNOWINGLY human..
Will be tortured to death?
I know I couldn't
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
@mcgaugh57 A person who rapes and kills a child is a pedophile. Such a person is mentally ill, and will not be deterred by punishment, however gruesome it may be. Like the calculating murderer, this person doesn't expect to get caught.
Once he is caught, killing him is no more than revenge. It does nothing to bring back his victim.
Largo64 2 years ago
Then so be it. Since we both know there is no God to exact revenge that leaves it to us. And I'm not so convinced that a horrible death would not deter sex offenders.
mcgaugh57 2 years ago
How many innocent people are you willing to have tortured to death every year to try to deter a sex offender? Would you be willing to die that way for a crime you did not commit? Would you feel OK if your son was tortured to death for a crime he didn't do?
The death penalty would deter people from parking illegally in a handicap spot, but it doesn't mean we should institute it.
8WholeThing 2 years ago
Jump to the simple side of it. How many innocent people now with the way things are done do you think get convicted ? That is not an issue. Stopping people from committing these horrific crimes should be the issue. Concerning ourselves that these people might feel some pain is pathetic. It should hurt
mcgaugh57 2 years ago
I can assure you that people used to stay on there toes and not commit murder when the penalty was almost a guaranteed 6 foot drop with a sudden stop
bulbinking 2 years ago
No doubt, this crying about the poor bastards feeling some pain is pathetic.
mcgaugh57 2 years ago
@bulbinking not true. If it were, there would be no executions performed.
Execution of innocents is a concern. People watching the execution including families of the victims is wrong.
Circumstantial evidence or any violation of procedure shuld not be allowed; e.g, a Canadian executed in Georgia was denied access to his family during trial.
Book innocent man by grisham disturbing
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
Yes, there were no murders when the death penalty method was hanging.
Fjarhultian 2 years ago
@bulbinking In the time in the US when summary executions by hanging were common, not only were there murders, but people risked hanging to steel a steer or a horse. Those crimes were punishable by death, but that didn't curtail them at all.
Largo64 2 years ago
while that may or may not be true you cant honestly believe that the prospect of capitol punishment for crime had no effect on the actions of would be criminals
bulbinking 2 years ago
@bulbinking I do, indeed "honestly believe" that capital punishment has NO effect on the actions of would be criminals. I have cited examples of pickpockets picking pockets in crowds watching the execution of a pickpocket. I have also pointed out that persons actually planning a murder don't expect to be caught, while most other violent crimes are spur of the moment. No thought is given to possible punishment. Capital punishment only adds to the pile of bodies. It doesn't shrink it.
Largo64 2 years ago
"How many innocent people now with the way things are done do you think get convicted?"
139 have been *proven* innocent (after being found gulilty beyond reasonable doubt and sentenced to death) since 1973. Nearly 1 in 4 errors were police and prosecutor misconduct or bias by the judge or jury. It takes a great deal of effort to get a person off death row, and most aren't afforded that. There are probably many more innocents awaiting execution and you want to torture them, too?
8WholeThing 2 years ago
That was then this is now. With forensics being allowed in court it is much less likely to have a false conviction. We are way to easy on hasdcore criminals. We lock them up where they kill guards and other cons. Just eliminate the garbage and be done with it.
mcgaugh57 2 years ago
Forensics is another wrong answer. 19% of the errors were police and prosecutor misconduct. 37% were inept defense lawyers. A local kid was held for a year for the murder of his twin brother. Forensics said they found his bloody palm print in the house. Turns out it was his dead brother's bloody palm print below the kid's palm print in his own house. It took a year for the forensics team to realize that two different palm prints were found, not one.
It could happen to you, too.
8WholeThing 2 years ago
Changes nothing, punishment is not severe enough.
mcgaugh57 2 years ago
"Then so be it. Since we both know there is no God to exact revenge that leaves it to us.
Most people don't like the idea of needless pain..
Why do we need ANYONE god or ourself to fill in this mcgaugh57 created gap?
heres another q for you..
Is it morally right, to torture someone because they did some heinous act, if the perptuator believes he did NOTHING wrong?
So all that would be crossing his mind while he is being TOTURED is "Why.. why.. why.. why are they doing this to me?
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
@thefakeyeti yes, its "morally right".
Why not?
The essense of our morality is empathy partly. ;).
Why is it wrong? What's immoral about actions having consequences?
It would only be immoral, if he were innocent. IMO.
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
You jumped in the middle of another discussion..
Mcgaugh57 was saying we should TORTURE people who commit heinous actions..
TORTURING them has no justifcation..
Putting to them painlessly to death, MAY not be needless..
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Because there has to be a an example set to put so much fear of consequences that even the most evil think before they rape and murder children.
mcgaugh57 2 years ago
There are two factors in a deterrent, the risk and the hazard.
Risk is the chance the hazard will occur, hazard is the punishment itself.
I have no doubt that torturing terrorists will deter them, but that doesn't mean we should do it. Should we take part in what you propose we're just as bad, if not worse than them.
SirPwn4lot 2 years ago
If they ever have a job "dismembering" murderours..
Will you be willing to send in your application?
If you are, I say you are just as big of a sick sadist fuck as the murderours themselves!
Just you have some sick sadistic excuse to do it!
Does the idea of hearing ANY human being yelling out in pain give you some sort of arousal?
(There would be public outrage over this, and you know it)
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
How many cops do you want to see killed?
If I MURDERED someone, and I knew the punishment was going to be really HARSH..
I will go down with a FIGHT.
Even if i were innocent, the fear inside of me just might make me go suicide by cop, after killing a couple.
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
I don't want to see any Cops killed. I don't want to hear about 5 year old girls raped and killed. The punishment should fit the crime. You torture and rape you get tortured and raped.
mcgaugh57 2 years ago
"You torture and rape you get tortured and raped."
So, throw them in prison, where they will be tortured and raped.. For LIFE
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
@thefakeyeti that is frequently getting them killed anyway.
I don't believe prison's should be unsafe. That's a cop out like putting prison's of war in Cuba and continuing to critisize the later for human rights abuses.
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
That is a cop out. Why house ,feed and clothe these people who have proven all they are good for is