Its just dishonorable that bjj/gracies Claim that they invented or modified Judo into brazilian gay jitsu. Its disrespectfull to the thousands of Japanese warriors that died, or were badly injured while develping unarmed JuJutsu combat. Kano got the techiniques from 600+ JuJutsus schools and what he presented as Judo was meant to be a sport safe enough for children to practise, thus preserving the essense and soul of JuJutsu and Japan. Thank You O' Sensein Jigoro Kano
This whole "BJJ is Judo" argument is stupid. Yes BJJ came straight from Judo, but the two have since evolved in completely different directions. If your average Judo black belt actually had a good guard game or if your average BJJ black belt could actually throw somebody, you might have a point in saying they are the same style. They no longer are though. As it is now, BJJ purple belts can tap Judo black belts with ease, but at black belt level tournaments BJJ guys are still just pulling guard.
@Ljenkins9000 i dont know what judo your seeing maybe high lite reals but in international judo you can play on the ground look it up here second it depends on the judo school if its olympic judo yes it would have more throws but your average kudokan school you learn ground its part of the program . really? purple belts ? how many purple belts u know it only take like 10 years to be one thats ridiculous when your lower belt judoka can do what purple belts take years to learn
@sonnych69 Yes I understand Judo has a ground game, but due to the rules regarding pins, Judoka usually have a very poor or nonexistent guard game. They're still really good at keeping top position and submitting from their, but yes, a BJJ purple belt will usually sub a Judo black belt. Judo is a little more complete than BJJ though, since they are the masters of throwing. It doesn't take 10 years to get to purple belt. But it does take about as long as it usually takes to get to black in Judo.
@Ljenkins9000 Fedor is a Judo Black Belt. Moronic comment. I am sure certain White belts in Judo could tap out certain BJJ Black Belts. Depends on the match up. Wake up and smell that their the same art, with a different focus.
Yes he is. What the fuck does that have to do with BJJ and Judo being different arts?
"I am sure certain White belts in Judo could tap out certain BJJ Black Belts."
This proves to me you have absolutely no clue about either Judo or BJJ. A Judo white belt has maybe 3 months experience. A BJJ black belt has at least 12 years of experience. What you said would be impossible, unless the Judo white belt is also a BB in BJJ.
@Ljenkins9000 Maybe he is a catch wrestler? The point is people are people and some are great and some are not. I know that BJJ and Judo are the same art with a different focus. period. Judo focuses on throws and positioning. BJJ focuses on newaza. Period. Perhaps I do know nothing. or maybe I have come full circle? Brazillian/Japanese Kodokan Judo=BJJ
@JeffreyJamesLippold "I know that BJJ and Judo are the same art with a different focus. period. Judo focuses on throws and positioning. BJJ focuses on newaza. Period."
Both of those things make them very different styles. They even have completely different rules, different belts, different periods of time it takes to master or be competitive, and even a few different techniques.
And Kodokan Judo (today) is about as different from BJJ as it gets. Kosen Judo, however, is much like BJJ.
@Ljenkins9000 I competed and won Sambo events, does that make me a Sambo Practitioner? Granted their are certain techniques which are specific to the art, but not that many. Same goes for BJJ, and a lot of techniques that were "made up" were 1000 year old techniques. Like what BJJ calls Omaplata is an old technique. Sometimes I invent a move and transition, only to find it in some other system somewhere. There is no new, only re orienting to old techniques. But always think outside the bx
@JeffreyJamesLippold "I competed and won Sambo events, does that make me a Sambo Practitioner?"
Practicing Sambo makes you a Sambo practitioner.
"There is no new, only re orienting to old techniques."
Yes, so I guess you're right, we should be calling BJJ Judo. Wait, but then Judo would be Jujutsu, and Jujutsu would actually be Kung Fu (or something like that). But wait!! That means that there is no Kung Fu either! Everything is Ancient Greek Pankration!
@Ljenkins9000 lol, see what I am saying? It's whatever it becomes. I know bjj masters that are bad ass and I've seen them teach a technique that I showed them. People beg borrow and steal whatever works well with the least amount of effort. But people don't know that it did not originate in BJJ, I am just saying that BJJ Borrows a lot more from other people of other arts than people realize. BUt I agree with you on the style thing in your next paragraph.
"I am just saying that BJJ Borrows a lot more from other people"
That's not true, as no martial art in existence has original techniques. The Gracies called it Jiu-Jitsu because that's what it was (since the name "Judo" had not been invented yet). No BJJ person has ever claimed to be doing something original invented by the Gracies or themselves or whoever.
@JeffreyJamesLippold A style differentiates itself not just by techniques, but by the STYLE that it's fighters use when fighting. A Judoka's "style" is to use throws and some submissions and locks. A BJJ player's style is to be really good at all areas of ground fighting. A Boxer's "style" is to use punches, bobbing and weaving, and the footwork found in Boxing. Never mind that other arts also use punches. Boxing is obviously still Boxing, and not Kung Fu or Karate or whatever. Making sense yet?
@JeffreyJamesLippold "Wake up and smell that their the same art, with a different focus."
That makes them not the same art. Practitioners of one have a vastly different style from practitioners of the other. This makes it a different style. Idk why people have such a hard time understanding that Judo and BJJ are different arts. Even people like you will explain exactly how they are different, and then at the end of the paragraph say "but they are the same art, wake up moron".
@Ljenkins9000 The problem with pulling guard, is you can't spike them in these competitions, which I am sure any Judoka would love to do, it gives them a huge disadvantage. This has nothing to do with me, but your comment. I have never found a BJJ purple belt that could tap me out "with ease". I cross train with them all the time, but is not my "Style". Just think the comment is sterotypical. That's all.
Common knowledge that Kodokan judo was built upon older jujutsu schools. However, rolling around on the ground applying joint locks and strangles and is something that was developed as judo progressed. Samurai were not rolling around on the battlefield. Mitsuyo Maeda was a judoka and BJJ is built upon pre-war judo. If you research, you'll find no old ryu of jujutsu using extensive ground work, but you'll find that it was common place in the early days of judo as demonstrated here.
Why isn't there any striking involved in brazilian jiu jitsu tournaments? The complete form inclusive of grappling and striking comes from sport jiu jitsu.
About teaching Judo without Judogi, it is for a simple reason. I teach in a poor country where its difficult to get Jodogi for everyone, specially in the first classes the people do not want to spend money on the outfit. Or some times they just can't. So you just have to teach people not wearing Judogi.
Since Judo was a amalgamation of judo and aiki-jutsu , why wouldnt he be able to teach judo without judogi ? And Even though Gracie added techniques from other arts, Judo and jujutsu both have strikes in thier most basic forms. Atemi-waza. Goshin " self defense techniques ".
sorry to call you wrong guys- but you can't get any more "Judo" than Mifune. This is pure Judo. What you see at the Olympics is sport judo or "Koka-Jitsu" since it's a game where you win by exploiting the rules. This video is what Judo really looks like.
@menomies well... there are a lot of old-timers that would say that Judo now isn't Judo. Even the katas have been changed since Kano's time. And, with the recent change to the rules, well - let's just say, Judo ain't what it used to be.
@menomies - There are plenty. It usually goes by the name of "Kosen Judo" but yes, those dojos that practice using those rules are no where near as widespread as olympic judo rule dojos
@KBaringer3 i completely agree with you! this is pure judo. The problem is that judo has become very competitive sport for the last years and these techniques are not used anymore in sport competition as ne waza almost does not exist anymore. Good judo schools and teachers around the world, are still teaching all this techniques by fortune and many people nowadays think that all these movements are only from jj but they are also judo movements! sorry for my bad english! greetings from argentina
@fatal1tty its judo pre the olympics,im sure jap jitsu had many of these moves but the early judo masters improved and added variations.You wont see this stuff in judo now outside kosen schools in japan.
@billysue2 you'd see these moves in traditional judo schools all over the world. You will see this moves in Sambo schools and you will see these moves in BJJ schools. I guess it depends on the school.
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This wasn´t and is not the "Judo" that was synthetized by Meister Jigoro Kano! This is just a part of the many ryu's of the ancient Jiu-Jitsu, that was prohibited by the Japan government at the arrival of the westerns on this country. Thanks to Meister Mitsuo Maeda and the Gracie Family, we can nowdays enjoy some fragmentations of these ancient, beautiful and efective fighting techniques!
Maeda was a judoka. He was a newasa specialist (so-called "kosen" judo). With all respect to the Gracies and bjj, it is a direct subspecies of Kano's Jujitsu aka Judo.
If you're confused about the Gracies' use of "jitsu" rather than "do", it's simply because at the time Maeda taught Gracie, judo was still ofeten called Kano Ryu Jujitsu.
@JohnColt BJJ = Basically Japanese Judo. duh. Sold old rope as new. Get rid of the "Japanese-ness" (and all the discipline and humility that comes with that) and you can market it to western knuckleheads who would never step foot in a dojo.
Find Yukio Tani's "Game of Jiu jutsu" written in 1906, etc. Tsunetane Oda, Hirata, etc. etc. BJJ is old Judo taught to Brazilians by a Japanese.
I got this from my Judo Coach to dub to DVD from VHS. The original copy was on film that he recorded with his VHS camcorder... But- I believe some of the related vids associated with this video are from the same documentary and they are much better quality. I'll post some more clips from this documentary for you all though.
The gracies are a bunch of jokes. Judo/jiu jitsu legends such as Gene Lebell, John Saylor and Gokor Chivichyan were experts in ground and stand up, but never fabricated lies that they invented new moves. These legends do not receive the recognition they deserve by the grappling and mma community.
PLEASE ! SOMEONE CAN SAY ME WHAT IS WRITTEN ON 1:20 ?
DEATHBLOG666 3 weeks ago
..and this is what the gracies learned back in the days...now the call it bjj,,,
bangermccrusher 2 months ago
Judo alway win! OSS
judorican973 2 months ago
Its just dishonorable that bjj/gracies Claim that they invented or modified Judo into brazilian gay jitsu. Its disrespectfull to the thousands of Japanese warriors that died, or were badly injured while develping unarmed JuJutsu combat. Kano got the techiniques from 600+ JuJutsus schools and what he presented as Judo was meant to be a sport safe enough for children to practise, thus preserving the essense and soul of JuJutsu and Japan. Thank You O' Sensein Jigoro Kano
franciscoreatas11 3 months ago
I wonder what belt would Mifune be if he started BJJ if he were alive today.
Oneshot112 4 months ago
@Oneshot112 Grand Master and then some...
G0dspelronin 4 months ago
jigoro kano
r4ll3x 5 months ago
1:46 Can anyone answer the phone, please!! HAHAHA
charlesrmday 7 months ago 2
This whole "BJJ is Judo" argument is stupid. Yes BJJ came straight from Judo, but the two have since evolved in completely different directions. If your average Judo black belt actually had a good guard game or if your average BJJ black belt could actually throw somebody, you might have a point in saying they are the same style. They no longer are though. As it is now, BJJ purple belts can tap Judo black belts with ease, but at black belt level tournaments BJJ guys are still just pulling guard.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 i dont know what judo your seeing maybe high lite reals but in international judo you can play on the ground look it up here second it depends on the judo school if its olympic judo yes it would have more throws but your average kudokan school you learn ground its part of the program . really? purple belts ? how many purple belts u know it only take like 10 years to be one thats ridiculous when your lower belt judoka can do what purple belts take years to learn
sonnych69 9 months ago
@sonnych69 Yes I understand Judo has a ground game, but due to the rules regarding pins, Judoka usually have a very poor or nonexistent guard game. They're still really good at keeping top position and submitting from their, but yes, a BJJ purple belt will usually sub a Judo black belt. Judo is a little more complete than BJJ though, since they are the masters of throwing. It doesn't take 10 years to get to purple belt. But it does take about as long as it usually takes to get to black in Judo.
Ljenkins9000 9 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 Fedor is a Judo Black Belt. Moronic comment. I am sure certain White belts in Judo could tap out certain BJJ Black Belts. Depends on the match up. Wake up and smell that their the same art, with a different focus.
JeffreyJamesLippold 9 months ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold "Fedor is a Judo Black Belt. Moronic comment."
Yes he is. What the fuck does that have to do with BJJ and Judo being different arts?
"I am sure certain White belts in Judo could tap out certain BJJ Black Belts."
This proves to me you have absolutely no clue about either Judo or BJJ. A Judo white belt has maybe 3 months experience. A BJJ black belt has at least 12 years of experience. What you said would be impossible, unless the Judo white belt is also a BB in BJJ.
Ljenkins9000 8 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 Maybe he is a catch wrestler? The point is people are people and some are great and some are not. I know that BJJ and Judo are the same art with a different focus. period. Judo focuses on throws and positioning. BJJ focuses on newaza. Period. Perhaps I do know nothing. or maybe I have come full circle? Brazillian/Japanese Kodokan Judo=BJJ
JeffreyJamesLippold 8 months ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold "I know that BJJ and Judo are the same art with a different focus. period. Judo focuses on throws and positioning. BJJ focuses on newaza. Period."
Both of those things make them very different styles. They even have completely different rules, different belts, different periods of time it takes to master or be competitive, and even a few different techniques.
And Kodokan Judo (today) is about as different from BJJ as it gets. Kosen Judo, however, is much like BJJ.
Ljenkins9000 8 months ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold Oh and Fedor is primarily a Sambo practitioner. He even still competes in it.
Ljenkins9000 8 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 I competed and won Sambo events, does that make me a Sambo Practitioner? Granted their are certain techniques which are specific to the art, but not that many. Same goes for BJJ, and a lot of techniques that were "made up" were 1000 year old techniques. Like what BJJ calls Omaplata is an old technique. Sometimes I invent a move and transition, only to find it in some other system somewhere. There is no new, only re orienting to old techniques. But always think outside the bx
JeffreyJamesLippold 8 months ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold "I competed and won Sambo events, does that make me a Sambo Practitioner?"
Practicing Sambo makes you a Sambo practitioner.
"There is no new, only re orienting to old techniques."
Yes, so I guess you're right, we should be calling BJJ Judo. Wait, but then Judo would be Jujutsu, and Jujutsu would actually be Kung Fu (or something like that). But wait!! That means that there is no Kung Fu either! Everything is Ancient Greek Pankration!
Yeah, see how stupid that is?
Ljenkins9000 8 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 lol, see what I am saying? It's whatever it becomes. I know bjj masters that are bad ass and I've seen them teach a technique that I showed them. People beg borrow and steal whatever works well with the least amount of effort. But people don't know that it did not originate in BJJ, I am just saying that BJJ Borrows a lot more from other people of other arts than people realize. BUt I agree with you on the style thing in your next paragraph.
JeffreyJamesLippold 8 months ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold "But people don't know that it did not originate in BJJ"
No, everybody knows this.
"I am just saying that BJJ Borrows a lot more from other people"
That's not true, as no martial art in existence has original techniques. The Gracies called it Jiu-Jitsu because that's what it was (since the name "Judo" had not been invented yet). No BJJ person has ever claimed to be doing something original invented by the Gracies or themselves or whoever.
Ljenkins9000 8 months ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold A style differentiates itself not just by techniques, but by the STYLE that it's fighters use when fighting. A Judoka's "style" is to use throws and some submissions and locks. A BJJ player's style is to be really good at all areas of ground fighting. A Boxer's "style" is to use punches, bobbing and weaving, and the footwork found in Boxing. Never mind that other arts also use punches. Boxing is obviously still Boxing, and not Kung Fu or Karate or whatever. Making sense yet?
Ljenkins9000 8 months ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold "Wake up and smell that their the same art, with a different focus."
That makes them not the same art. Practitioners of one have a vastly different style from practitioners of the other. This makes it a different style. Idk why people have such a hard time understanding that Judo and BJJ are different arts. Even people like you will explain exactly how they are different, and then at the end of the paragraph say "but they are the same art, wake up moron".
You're stupid.
Ljenkins9000 8 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 The problem with pulling guard, is you can't spike them in these competitions, which I am sure any Judoka would love to do, it gives them a huge disadvantage. This has nothing to do with me, but your comment. I have never found a BJJ purple belt that could tap me out "with ease". I cross train with them all the time, but is not my "Style". Just think the comment is sterotypical. That's all.
JeffreyJamesLippold 6 months ago
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@JeffreyJamesLippold "Just think the comment is sterotypical. That's all."
It's a generalization, yes. Of course someone like Karo Parisyan wouldn't get subbed by a random BJJ purple belt, but in general, most Judo BBs do.
It's as stereotypical as saying that a Boxer has better punches than a Muay Thai fighter.
Ljenkins9000 6 months ago
Awesome I knew almost every move , the counters were intresting
yanezbjj 1 year ago
amazing
fellowmercenary 1 year ago
O.G.
stevemarce1988 1 year ago
Common knowledge that Kodokan judo was built upon older jujutsu schools. However, rolling around on the ground applying joint locks and strangles and is something that was developed as judo progressed. Samurai were not rolling around on the battlefield. Mitsuyo Maeda was a judoka and BJJ is built upon pre-war judo. If you research, you'll find no old ryu of jujutsu using extensive ground work, but you'll find that it was common place in the early days of judo as demonstrated here.
bryjitsu 1 year ago
great technique
mmajunkie1000 2 years ago
Why isn't there any striking involved in brazilian jiu jitsu tournaments? The complete form inclusive of grappling and striking comes from sport jiu jitsu.
moelicious416 2 years ago
@moelicious416
probably something similar to the reason why muay thai or kickboxing doesent have submission holds or wrestling.
menomies 1 year ago
About teaching Judo without Judogi, it is for a simple reason. I teach in a poor country where its difficult to get Jodogi for everyone, specially in the first classes the people do not want to spend money on the outfit. Or some times they just can't. So you just have to teach people not wearing Judogi.
kappanisan 2 years ago
kappansian , you asked if he he taught without a judogi was he sure it was still judo. 5 posts down.
scdefion 2 years ago
Since Judo was a amalgamation of judo and aiki-jutsu , why wouldnt he be able to teach judo without judogi ? And Even though Gracie added techniques from other arts, Judo and jujutsu both have strikes in thier most basic forms. Atemi-waza. Goshin " self defense techniques ".
scdefion 2 years ago
Mifune was the best!! Domo!
remo3d 2 years ago
I teach some time Judo basics without Judogi, and its not that bad.
kappanisan 2 years ago
The juji escape at 2:45 is just beyond awesome. Too smooth!
7eventhSamurai 2 years ago
There are no greater Judoka than Mifune.
Thrawn3333 2 years ago 4
三船のとっつあんは良い物遺して逝きおった
サムライ魂しかと見届けた
koitaman 3 years ago
My favorite time of judo is newasa, I love this video keep posting more!
mikey4u1984 3 years ago
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yes, I agree, it seemed to me that this is not pure judo its more of jiujitsu old techniques from shinto ryu and other schools..
it is amazing, love the escapes.. wanna see the instructional like this in a better quality to learn
fatal1tty 3 years ago
sorry to call you wrong guys- but you can't get any more "Judo" than Mifune. This is pure Judo. What you see at the Olympics is sport judo or "Koka-Jitsu" since it's a game where you win by exploiting the rules. This video is what Judo really looks like.
KBaringer3 3 years ago 26
You summed up the true art of judo. The IJF should have sub-divisions for olympic judo and "Mifune" judo.
moelicious416 2 years ago 2
@KBaringer3 Agreed 100%! Can't get more "PURE" Judo than one of Kano's original students! :-)
GJJFan 1 year ago
@KBaringer3
So no one really these days practices "real, pure judo"? Because this looks awfully much like bjj.
menomies 1 year ago
@menomies well... there are a lot of old-timers that would say that Judo now isn't Judo. Even the katas have been changed since Kano's time. And, with the recent change to the rules, well - let's just say, Judo ain't what it used to be.
KBaringer3 1 year ago
@menomies - There are plenty. It usually goes by the name of "Kosen Judo" but yes, those dojos that practice using those rules are no where near as widespread as olympic judo rule dojos
spamllpitdept 1 year ago
@menomies No you've got it backwards. BJJ looks awfully much like real judo.
newazagod 1 year ago
@menomies you do know that bjj is based on judo and not jiu-jitsu right?
strychninecologne 11 months ago
@menomies
The reason why this looks awfully much like bjj is that bjj stands for Basically Japanese Judo.
Rayvekj 10 months ago
@menomies other way around.
aikikoto 2 weeks ago
@KBaringer3 i completely agree with you! this is pure judo. The problem is that judo has become very competitive sport for the last years and these techniques are not used anymore in sport competition as ne waza almost does not exist anymore. Good judo schools and teachers around the world, are still teaching all this techniques by fortune and many people nowadays think that all these movements are only from jj but they are also judo movements! sorry for my bad english! greetings from argentina
johnsalchijohn 1 year ago
@fatal1tty its judo pre the olympics,im sure jap jitsu had many of these moves but the early judo masters improved and added variations.You wont see this stuff in judo now outside kosen schools in japan.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 you'd see these moves in traditional judo schools all over the world. You will see this moves in Sambo schools and you will see these moves in BJJ schools. I guess it depends on the school.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
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This wasn´t and is not the "Judo" that was synthetized by Meister Jigoro Kano! This is just a part of the many ryu's of the ancient Jiu-Jitsu, that was prohibited by the Japan government at the arrival of the westerns on this country. Thanks to Meister Mitsuo Maeda and the Gracie Family, we can nowdays enjoy some fragmentations of these ancient, beautiful and efective fighting techniques!
bjjwinti 3 years ago
Maeda was a judoka. He was a newasa specialist (so-called "kosen" judo). With all respect to the Gracies and bjj, it is a direct subspecies of Kano's Jujitsu aka Judo.
If you're confused about the Gracies' use of "jitsu" rather than "do", it's simply because at the time Maeda taught Gracie, judo was still ofeten called Kano Ryu Jujitsu.
Cheers.
JohnColt 3 years ago 20
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pedroiranzo 2 years ago
@JohnColt BJJ = Basically Japanese Judo. duh. Sold old rope as new. Get rid of the "Japanese-ness" (and all the discipline and humility that comes with that) and you can market it to western knuckleheads who would never step foot in a dojo.
Find Yukio Tani's "Game of Jiu jutsu" written in 1906, etc. Tsunetane Oda, Hirata, etc. etc. BJJ is old Judo taught to Brazilians by a Japanese.
shinjukool 5 months ago 2
also, this video stars Kyuzo Mifune, Judo legend and direct student of Kano.
Look him up on Wikipedia!
Cheers.
JohnColt 3 years ago 2
That it's true, if you don't see that... you are wrong Judoka
lettererere 3 years ago
he could do a kansetsu with almost of his body
nismotaku 3 years ago
Very cool video - love that boston crab rollover - won't see much of that in modern Judo.
EpicurusThirteen 3 years ago
This video is so nice. Could you tell me how I can get this whole video?
shimomaruko 3 years ago
I got this from my Judo Coach to dub to DVD from VHS. The original copy was on film that he recorded with his VHS camcorder... But- I believe some of the related vids associated with this video are from the same documentary and they are much better quality. I'll post some more clips from this documentary for you all though.
KBaringer3 3 years ago
Amazing techniques, a true treasure.
WarriorBoy 3 years ago
I love this vid because it is proof that the Gracies did not invent the triangle as they claim.
thor7600 3 years ago 6
I don't know if the Gracies really claim to have invented any of these. Although I will grant they can be very boastful.
EpicurusThirteen 3 years ago 3
The gracies are a bunch of jokes. Judo/jiu jitsu legends such as Gene Lebell, John Saylor and Gokor Chivichyan were experts in ground and stand up, but never fabricated lies that they invented new moves. These legends do not receive the recognition they deserve by the grappling and mma community.
moelicious416 2 years ago 9
You have had your ears tuned in.
keep it that way-you get a thumbs up
judopathoftruth 2 years ago
can any send the original to me?He was so good...
docteuralndnk2 3 years ago
excelente....
braianrobson 3 years ago
Beautiful stuff. Wow.
marcopolo2001 3 years ago
Beautiful newaza, just beautiful. No wonder he was dubbed the "god of judo".
barrettokarate 3 years ago 3
Pure Judo newaza with Master Mifune
jimmcom 3 years ago 3
when was this video made? i mean the original?cool one!
coutureslamsyou 4 years ago