@toki1221 JUMONG IS A MYTH, A MAN WHO CAME OUT OF AN EGGSHELL , THE ORIGIN OF GOGUYREO IS CLOUDED.
Only in 2002 did the chinese gov. claim goguyreo as chinese history because of the FEAR OF NORTH KOREA COLLAPSE and the unification of KOREA resulting in MASSIVE BORDER DISPUTES AND SECESSION FROM CHINA by the korean descendents who live in china currently
@TheXplosiveBoy you chinese only claimed goguyreo as chinese in 2002, all other historians of the free world, not you communist bastards agree that goguryeo is EXCLUSIVELY KOREAN in all aspects including all of theere culture and origins from the migration of koreans from the Altaic mts . of siberia.
Even we Mongols know that Goguryeo was once a big country that straddled the Korean Peninsula and Manchuria (You guys had great horse-back fighters too). My grandfather told me Genghis Khan's army was using the bows and arrows from Korea to annihilate European armies in full plate armor (give deep penitration...)
@TurkuTurklamakhan Didn't the Tang rape Goguryeo? Yes... yes... I think they did. "Korea" as we know it ironically wouldn't exist without the Tang, who exiled the non-Koreanic Goguryeo people and took away their elite status, allowing Sillan Koreanic peoples/languages to spread across the peninsula.
Half of the military/political/economic power in Goguryeo belonged to Chinese families anyway. Wang Kon (founder of the Goryeo dynasty) was of Goguryeo Han Chinese descent.
Tang defeated Gorguyeo because of the treachery from Silla who were the same people as Gorguyeo. Even so when Tang tried to annex more of the peninsula they were driven back by the armies of Silla. At any rate, none of your claims about Gorguyeo being Chinese or trying to divert focus to "tungus" people can deny that Gorguyeo defeated Sui. That in Korean history, we defeated a million man army and tragically fell due to trechery. Show me where Wan Kon was Han Chinese.
@TurkuTurklamakhan Silla were not "the same people" as Goguryeo. Chinese records differentiate between the Koreanic rice-farmers of south Korea and the northern proto-Manchu Goguryeo people. The Zizhi Tongjian records that the population of Goguryeo was evenly divided between the Goguryeo, Han, and native Koreanic peoples.
Goguryeo did defeat Sui, but Tang crushed Goguryeo and made the entire of the peninsula it's tributary, which continued for over a thousand years. Ouch.
For a nation as large as China you wouldnt mess with it militarily but Koreans did and when Koreans did they repelled Chinese. I think even today its safe to say Koreans are more dominant over CHinese men in real life. Chinese dont hurt Koreans in reality they are very polite and the women love us so I dont sweat it.
Thanks for the Zizhi Tongjian article. Will read up on it. Eager to read up on history.
Korea never repelled China. First of all, it's well established outside of the Korea that Goguryeo was not a "Korean" kingdom. 2/3 of the Goguryeo population (including the army) consisted of Chinese and the very non-Korean Mohe/Goguryeo ethnic group. Secondly, Korea paid tribute to China for thousands of years, adopted Chinese culture, and sent thousands of virgins to the Chinese emperors and nobles year after year!
Koguryeo is a Korean kingdom and close relative of our Mongols and Jurchen.
Since when Koguryeo history become Chinese history? And you said 2/3 of the Koguryeo population consisted of Chinese? You are crazy! They are Notherners like us. You Chinese people need to stop fabricating your own history. Man~ this is laughable nonsense!!!
In addition, China was disappeared after Mongol invasion (Song was the last dynasty of China) don't make me laugh!
You Chinese people better show some respect to all my Altaic brothers and sisters, in Mongolia, Korea, Turkey, republic of Azerbaijan, Iranian Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan.
@Mongoldai9 adding to your statement. YOU FUCKED UP CHINESE ONLY CLAIMED GOGURYEO AS CHINESE IN 2002, this is fucked up shit . ALL HISTORIANS OF THE FREE WORLD, not the fucked up chinese communists, AGREE THAT GOGURYEO IS EXCLUSIVELY KOREAN
@TurkuTurklamakhan I find it pretty humorous that so many Koreans are so ashamed of their history that they cling onto a lone victory over the Sui dynasty, in a war against China that they ultimately lost completely, with the population of Goguryeo being mostly relocated into China itself, and Korea becoming a tributary for over 1000 years lolz. The fact that the Goguryeo army was at least 2/3 non-Korean makes it all the more amusing.
spare me overseas chinese boy who believes in jewish conspiracies because white people told you so. Ive had my share of chinese losers for a lifetime on you tube. Oh well, I guess one more cant hurt by this stage.
@CuriosityRoads dont be asinine. China's history is a series of invasions and occupations by foreign dynasties like the Manchu, Jurchen, Khitan, Mongols, Japanese and a revolving screen door of Western powers
Korean history and Goguryeo is not disputed outside of the CCP's Northeast Project. If you had any sort of education you'd realize Korean scholarship and Western scholarship are in lockstep
And none of that shit is "amusing" it's just history. You sound mad internet rager
why those swamp gooks are using hanzi(chinese scripts). The truth reviews itself that Korea got everything from Chiina. They were a tributary state and were and is a super weak nation .
@GookRatForever chink trolls are everywhere. its probably becuz chinks have massive population and there are just as many chink trolls. korea is quality over quantity. chinks are quantity over quality. thats why theres so many of people like you that are chinese. as forthe "korea was a super weak nation," Han Chinese never attacked Korea and conquered it. everytime han chinese fought koreans, they got their asses raped.
@GookRatForever stop trying to absorb yourself into the strength of other tribes and countries of other minorities. Despite the fact that Chinese had the most population and the "greatest culture," Han Chinese rarely had independent history. You were either raped by Mongols, mercilessly murdered by Koreans, or fucked by Western Turks and internal strife. Han Chinese = waste of space.
Whenever I see people of other countries fighting to protect its culture and history from China, I feel like Im watching the 4th Lord of the Rings movie. The Chink orcs believe their era is coming but the rise of China is like short chinese orgasm that lasts 15 seconds.
@uritan2012 You mean the Sui dynasty invasion? The actual number of Chinese troops in Korea was only fairly small.
Besides, Goguryo didn't use Korean troops anyway, they used northern Tungusic peoples. The Koreans farmed the lands etc but the Tungus warriors did the fighting.
@uritan2012 668 Goguryeo census recorded that approx 1/3 of the population of Goguryeo were Han Chinese, 1/3 were Goguryeo (proto-Manchu) people and 1/3 the native Chosun people. Cheng Da De in the Zi Zhi Tong Jian recalled that approximately half the population of the capital city were Han Chinese who had married local women.
Koguryo IS NOT a nomadic kingdom. It's a agrarian sedentary kingdom. It may have had nomadic roots, but for much of it's history, it was a sedentary civilization with an agrarian base.
i'm japanese and just interested in siberian history without politics between china and korea.
mohe/jurchen/manchurian history = koguryo and balhae
korean history = baekje, shilla and chosun
chinese and korean are trying to steal manchurian history. when japan occupied manchuria, we tried to recover their own history.
toki1221 2 days ago
jumong was manchurian, not korean.
dae jo young was mohe, not korean.
both koguryo and balhae are not korean. korean steal the other history.
toki1221 3 days ago
@toki1221 JUMONG IS A MYTH, A MAN WHO CAME OUT OF AN EGGSHELL , THE ORIGIN OF GOGUYREO IS CLOUDED.
Only in 2002 did the chinese gov. claim goguyreo as chinese history because of the FEAR OF NORTH KOREA COLLAPSE and the unification of KOREA resulting in MASSIVE BORDER DISPUTES AND SECESSION FROM CHINA by the korean descendents who live in china currently
TheXplosiveBoy 2 days ago
@TheXplosiveBoy you chinese only claimed goguyreo as chinese in 2002, all other historians of the free world, not you communist bastards agree that goguryeo is EXCLUSIVELY KOREAN in all aspects including all of theere culture and origins from the migration of koreans from the Altaic mts . of siberia.
TheXplosiveBoy 2 days ago
Even we Mongols know that Goguryeo was once a big country that straddled the Korean Peninsula and Manchuria (You guys had great horse-back fighters too). My grandfather told me Genghis Khan's army was using the bows and arrows from Korea to annihilate European armies in full plate armor (give deep penitration...)
Mongoldai9 1 week ago
Korguyeo defeated Sui. This is simply the history.
Korguyeo annihilated the over 1 million man army and bankrupted it's treasury.
THIS! IS! KOREAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
TurkuTurklamakhan 1 month ago
@TurkuTurklamakhan Didn't the Tang rape Goguryeo? Yes... yes... I think they did. "Korea" as we know it ironically wouldn't exist without the Tang, who exiled the non-Koreanic Goguryeo people and took away their elite status, allowing Sillan Koreanic peoples/languages to spread across the peninsula.
Half of the military/political/economic power in Goguryeo belonged to Chinese families anyway. Wang Kon (founder of the Goryeo dynasty) was of Goguryeo Han Chinese descent.
CuriosityRoads 1 month ago
@CuriosityRoads
Tang defeated Gorguyeo because of the treachery from Silla who were the same people as Gorguyeo. Even so when Tang tried to annex more of the peninsula they were driven back by the armies of Silla. At any rate, none of your claims about Gorguyeo being Chinese or trying to divert focus to "tungus" people can deny that Gorguyeo defeated Sui. That in Korean history, we defeated a million man army and tragically fell due to trechery. Show me where Wan Kon was Han Chinese.
TurkuTurklamakhan 1 month ago
@TurkuTurklamakhan Silla were not "the same people" as Goguryeo. Chinese records differentiate between the Koreanic rice-farmers of south Korea and the northern proto-Manchu Goguryeo people. The Zizhi Tongjian records that the population of Goguryeo was evenly divided between the Goguryeo, Han, and native Koreanic peoples.
Goguryeo did defeat Sui, but Tang crushed Goguryeo and made the entire of the peninsula it's tributary, which continued for over a thousand years. Ouch.
CuriosityRoads 1 month ago
@CuriosityRoads
For a nation as large as China you wouldnt mess with it militarily but Koreans did and when Koreans did they repelled Chinese. I think even today its safe to say Koreans are more dominant over CHinese men in real life. Chinese dont hurt Koreans in reality they are very polite and the women love us so I dont sweat it.
Thanks for the Zizhi Tongjian article. Will read up on it. Eager to read up on history.
TurkuTurklamakhan 1 month ago
@TurkuTurklamakhan Who said I was Chinese? Lolz.
Korea never repelled China. First of all, it's well established outside of the Korea that Goguryeo was not a "Korean" kingdom. 2/3 of the Goguryeo population (including the army) consisted of Chinese and the very non-Korean Mohe/Goguryeo ethnic group. Secondly, Korea paid tribute to China for thousands of years, adopted Chinese culture, and sent thousands of virgins to the Chinese emperors and nobles year after year!
CuriosityRoads 1 month ago
Koguryeo is a Korean kingdom and close relative of our Mongols and Jurchen.
Since when Koguryeo history become Chinese history? And you said 2/3 of the Koguryeo population consisted of Chinese? You are crazy! They are Notherners like us. You Chinese people need to stop fabricating your own history. Man~ this is laughable nonsense!!!
In addition, China was disappeared after Mongol invasion (Song was the last dynasty of China) don't make me laugh!
Mongoldai9 2 weeks ago
You Chinese people better show some respect to all my Altaic brothers and sisters, in Mongolia, Korea, Turkey, republic of Azerbaijan, Iranian Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan.
Mongoldai9 2 weeks ago
@Mongoldai9 Koguryo was more like manchu-korean
Askar9992 2 weeks ago
@Mongoldai9 adding to your statement. YOU FUCKED UP CHINESE ONLY CLAIMED GOGURYEO AS CHINESE IN 2002, this is fucked up shit . ALL HISTORIANS OF THE FREE WORLD, not the fucked up chinese communists, AGREE THAT GOGURYEO IS EXCLUSIVELY KOREAN
TheXplosiveBoy 2 days ago
@TurkuTurklamakhan I find it pretty humorous that so many Koreans are so ashamed of their history that they cling onto a lone victory over the Sui dynasty, in a war against China that they ultimately lost completely, with the population of Goguryeo being mostly relocated into China itself, and Korea becoming a tributary for over 1000 years lolz. The fact that the Goguryeo army was at least 2/3 non-Korean makes it all the more amusing.
CuriosityRoads 1 month ago
@CuriosityRoads
spare me overseas chinese boy who believes in jewish conspiracies because white people told you so. Ive had my share of chinese losers for a lifetime on you tube. Oh well, I guess one more cant hurt by this stage.
TurkuTurklamakhan 1 month ago
@CuriosityRoads dont be asinine. China's history is a series of invasions and occupations by foreign dynasties like the Manchu, Jurchen, Khitan, Mongols, Japanese and a revolving screen door of Western powers
Korean history and Goguryeo is not disputed outside of the CCP's Northeast Project. If you had any sort of education you'd realize Korean scholarship and Western scholarship are in lockstep
And none of that shit is "amusing" it's just history. You sound mad internet rager
shalom1948hellyeah 3 weeks ago
@CuriosityRoads
Anyway I didnt watch this with sound or till the end. Now I realise why Chinese are on here.
Peace.
TurkuTurklamakhan 1 month ago
恵慈 was a monk from Koguryo who was a teacher of Japanese legend politician 聖徳太子 and let him to fight against Sui 隋.
toki1221 6 months ago
why those swamp gooks are using hanzi(chinese scripts). The truth reviews itself that Korea got everything from Chiina. They were a tributary state and were and is a super weak nation .
GookRatForever 7 months ago
@GookRatForever chink trolls are everywhere. its probably becuz chinks have massive population and there are just as many chink trolls. korea is quality over quantity. chinks are quantity over quality. thats why theres so many of people like you that are chinese. as forthe "korea was a super weak nation," Han Chinese never attacked Korea and conquered it. everytime han chinese fought koreans, they got their asses raped.
HeavenSojiro92 6 months ago
@GookRatForever stop trying to absorb yourself into the strength of other tribes and countries of other minorities. Despite the fact that Chinese had the most population and the "greatest culture," Han Chinese rarely had independent history. You were either raped by Mongols, mercilessly murdered by Koreans, or fucked by Western Turks and internal strife. Han Chinese = waste of space.
HeavenSojiro92 6 months ago
@HeavenSojiro92 Korea was a Chinese tributary state throughout history. Get over it, dude...
CuriosityRoads 2 months ago
Whenever I see people of other countries fighting to protect its culture and history from China, I feel like Im watching the 4th Lord of the Rings movie. The Chink orcs believe their era is coming but the rise of China is like short chinese orgasm that lasts 15 seconds.
Go back to where you came from, you foul chink.
HeavenSojiro92 6 months ago
@GookRatForever Then what makes China, it couldn't even take over a tributary state in the end.
chosonnom 6 months ago
@GookRatForever Melamine milk poisoning chink.... u gotta understand Sui Chinese got raped by Koguryo.
jxtsful 5 months ago
@jxtsful also Tang
rlatndnsxo 5 months ago
@jxtsful Tang crushed Koguryo though.
CuriosityRoads 2 months ago
@CuriosityRoads
goguryo crushed all chinese warriors (about 300.000) with just 20.000 warrriors!
this is a really great strategy of war.
hahaha
uritan2012 1 month ago
@uritan2012 You mean the Sui dynasty invasion? The actual number of Chinese troops in Korea was only fairly small.
Besides, Goguryo didn't use Korean troops anyway, they used northern Tungusic peoples. The Koreans farmed the lands etc but the Tungus warriors did the fighting.
CuriosityRoads 1 month ago
@CuriosityRoads don't distort the real history, you seem like the japs, stop lying!
history must be telling by the truth, this so difficult for you chineses?
uritan2012 1 month ago
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@uritan2012 668 Goguryeo census recorded that approx 1/3 of the population of Goguryeo were Han Chinese, 1/3 were Goguryeo (proto-Manchu) people and 1/3 the native Chosun people. Cheng Da De in the Zi Zhi Tong Jian recalled that approximately half the population of the capital city were Han Chinese who had married local women.
U mad?
CuriosityRoads 1 month ago
@GookRatForever
maybe korea was a weak nation in the 18/19 centuries,
but today we are very strong nation, don't be fool, we koreans
now are better than chinese in all aspects.
uritan2012 1 month ago
Koguryo IS NOT a nomadic kingdom. It's a agrarian sedentary kingdom. It may have had nomadic roots, but for much of it's history, it was a sedentary civilization with an agrarian base.
wangkon936 8 months ago