Mr Hitchens does not regard a fallen human condition and he categorizes with a presuppostion that all religon is wrong based on the humans who take righteousness out of context. He has not read enough Scripture to develop a opinion that is divine enough to call God a liar. He is just a man. very sad
He "does not regard a fallen human condition". Huh? Do you mean he disagrees (as do I) with the warped christian idea that we are created sick, needing to be cured? What kind of sick fuck is this god who would deliberately create human beings in a state of being "bad", and then blame them for it, and demand abject contrition from them for "sin" for which they are not even responsible. It's impossible to believe an omnipotent god wouldn't have better things to do with his time than that
...ESP. if you consider what he supposedly does with the ones who refuse to be "sorry" for the "sin" for which they aren't responsible. Even trying to visualize such a being, I can only think of some infinitely warped and sadistic child who had incredible power without any of the responsibility that should come with it, and was prepared to do and did such utterly MONSTROUS things. Such a god is inconceivable to anyone who still has a mind in their heads that actually functions.
@leisulin ... longsuffering, goodness, and all of the Character of God himself but the only was we can obtain this in by accepting who He is in His totality. Adam and Eve were limited for the greater good of what was to come in Christ.. This is the only reason why we had a divine hope of Glory today. Now you and I and everyone we know can witness the risen Savior of Mankind alive in HIs Word and unite with HIm on the day He has set forth in the near future. Live by faith my friend...
@leisulin God made everything good. He saw what He had made and called it good yet we as human beings are not God and we chose to disobey Him and since He is Holy and Righteous He had all right to condem Adam and Eve to hell yet He gave them Grace and Mercy and a token of what was to come as God Himself in the form of a man who died in Adam's ( Includes all of us) place to give us His Righetousness to be partakers in authentic love, joy, peace, patience....
I'm arguing with a programmed automaton so this is probably futile to say, but all I can do is reply with the words of Matt Dillahunty, who said it well (this will take two comments-worth of space): [Your god] created this system knowing ahead of time what was gonna happen, knowing that people would sin and fall away, and he thinks that it's just to punish one person for the sins of another, ...
....that the sins of the father should carry on to the son, that we are all responsible for original sin. Those are all immoral principles. Then what he does is he comes out and says "hmmm I've created this situation where I've turned everybody into sinners" so he sacrifices himself to himself to act as a loophole for a rule that he made himself, instead of just forgiving. It's an absolutely absurd and obscene and immoral philosophy.
The bottom line is: if you are still able to USE your brain (which I fear is not the case), you will see that this stuff you've been believing is obviously NONSENSE. What's more, it's nonsense that no moral person could possibly stand behind or support, i.e. IF such a creature existed and had all those properties you apparently believe in, it ("he" is too generous) would be a monster of galactic proportions. You'd need a 98773626949923776266378 point font with which to write "MONSTER".
@leisulin .... not by sight, not by circumstances, not by mere experiences, and not by emotions.. Live by faith... I encourage you faith in Christ can see thru death and all other man made distictions and or acknowledgements.
I don't know for how many words I've heard Mr. Hitchens speak over the last 5 years, but I'd guess that 80% of them were well received. There was something he said that was most desappointing. When asked if he had it to do over would he still smoke and consume alcohol he said, "Yes." I don't believe that. I think it was an act of rebelion. It wasn't an answer based on logic, but one based on false pride in my opinion.
@controversialbook Did you ever consider that a man who recognizes his one life on Earth should be about quality over quantity? I love drinking and smoking too!
Dear ol' Christopher (meaning 'of Christ), ought to change his name to, 'of Lucis', Lucipher, seeing as he prefers Milton's Hell, Hell, of course, God's place of punishment created for Lucifer and those fallen angels.
Christopher is so stupid he cannot recognise that the Hebrew scriptures, which contain instruction for his people, the Jews, are not for him. He is far too wicked to see their worth.
Mr Hitchens speaks out of malice against something he hates, ie instruction by God
Wait a second, we're following an editor of a FASHION MAGAZINE. Whoa, I had no idea, um does everyone know this?! R we totally screwed or is there someone else? VANITY FAIR editor telling us what to believe, this is actually pretty embarassing! Can anyone help me out wrapping my head around this.
@timjdong You may want to reconsider your assessment of "Vanity Fair." It's more than just a fashion magazine in the same way that "Playboy" is more than a men's magazine. Among other things, both are known for their relatively high literary quality. Regardless, Hitchens is not just a writer for "Vanity Fair," but also for "Slate," "The Atlantic," and many other journals and magazines. In fact, he's not just a writer; he's also taught at a number of institutions, including The New School.
@writersblock26 Comparing 'Playboy' to 'Vanity Fair' is a wonderful comparison, thanks for that!!! I'll have to check out his writings in the Slate & THe Atlantic - though . . . would prefer my hero stuck to those & other more respectable publications. Best wishes
@timjdong You're welcome. I have to admit that I would probably read Hitchens even if he wrote only for for "Cosmo"- I just learn so much about history and language from his writing.
The man has my respect as he is honest, and as he does not know God and has no experience of Him he honestly nails his colours to the mast and steams ahead.
His understanding of what Christians have is sadly completely up the creek. He even things followers of the Catholic religion are something to do with God! He should know that that religion has been utterly debunked by Christians for centuries. However......well done for your honesty Christopher. I pray you don't suffer pain as you go
In truth, the sun does not care if you live or die. It doesn't care if you have money. It doesn't care if you use sunscreen 2 or 30. It doesn't care if you get sunburn. It doesn't care if you die in the Gobi desert of dehydration. It doesn't care. It doesn't care about us. It doesn't care if we're cold. It doesn't care if we have light to read by. It doesn't care about money. It doesn't care about pefection. It doesn't care about life after death or eternity.
Charlemagne spread religion by force. Is that godly?
Without stealing children to make them soldiers, there would be no god. Without tithing as tax-free money there would be no god.
God would die without money.
All gods are based on the solar sun as the eternal light that shines down upon us. It won't be eternal though. Not unless billions of years is eternal. It's going to shine for a long time, I'll say that much. The sun doesn't care about wealth like so-called gods do.
Sky daddy worship is simply delusional behaviour, practiced by folks who have been brainwashed by the 'herd' of fellow brainwashed culture around them. The prognosis for escaping this delusion is heavily based on the level of conviction in the delusion and the openness the person has in allowing info that contradicts the delusion(reality). It's very sad that, in this day and age, we are still witnessing this brainwashing. Let's just consider it child abuse in the highest form.
I admire him, respect him, and really hope he's wrong (about there being a purpose, direction, and meaning to the universe.) Hitch is a brilliant thinker, and I love his ability to use logic to make an irrefutable argument. I especially love his talent for irking Fox News. Religion should not be used to justify governent actions, decisions, or beliefs. I'm a Catholic, but hearing that Hitch is a victim of God's wrath because of his throat cancer disgusts me.
@Mxlsptlk What kind of God removes the main voice of protest against his arguments? If an argument is valid, then it can withstand another argument. What would be the harm in having a descenting voice?
@Mxlsptlk His affliction got totally nothing to do with your faith. He smoked and drank for years, think that might have something to do with it. People like you make me sick, he's fighting for your mind you stupid cow, and all you can do is disgust yourself with your perverted ideas of what god is doing to him? I admire your courage for presenting your point of view, though not as innocent as I imagine you would like it to seem. Your the problem!!! Arrest The Pope Now!!!
You can reduce this all you want. It doesn't matter how intelligent you are.. NONE of your questions will be answered until you use faith. Faith is built into the process of finding & understanding God. The first part of understanding is "this only works with faith" Its the master ingredient. The challenge is to try it...
@ubertuberx5 The real challenge is to take a biology degree and actually do some evolutionary research and find out how stupid you used to be. Happened to me.
Faith is no doubt built into the process of finding god, because finding god requires belief without justification, i.e. faith. And if you use faith to "answer" ALL of your questions as you suggest, you're gonna be as ignorant afterward as you were when you started, for clearly the "answers" will have absolutely no justification either. Such "answers" will be utterly meaningless. The real challenge is to dumb yourself down to the point where you'll actually believe those answers.
God is just as real as happiness, joy, faith, gratitude, forgiveness, etc... because this is the God of the bible. It clearly says God is Love and he lives in the hearts of man. To think he is anything else is Idolatry. So how can you say Love does not exist? Likewise the "devil" is fear, hate, doubt, etc.. these also exists in the world? So I have to wonder what your argument is?
@ubertuberx5 Indifference to the Jews' suffering allowed 6 million to be killed; that and a narcissistic psychosis, and Hitler told the Germans he was doing god's work when he was killing all those Jews to make room for his super race of christian white people.
"Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, this also means freedom FROM RELEGION. You don't think freedom from religion is implied in that statement. Then you must be a right wing conservative christian from the dark ages. Now can you bother someone else.
The Palestinian Authority and Jordan earlier this week arrested two Palestinians suspected of selling a house in Hebron Jews.
One of the suspects is being held in Jordan, and the other in the West Bank town of Jericho. Palestinian laws call for a death sentence for anyone found guilty of selling land to Jews.
uhh to answer the hosts question.. Why would you want to comment on a subject you don't in " ..
Well Uhh.. I don't know .. maybe it's because it effects almost everyth around you? No matter what you believe it's there .. in your face, hovering over laws etc? DUH>
Now look it up Hitchens has cancer, I guess he will find out soon enough if God exist or not. Oh, if he doesn't exist then he won't know either since you all believe life ends at death.
What Hitchens never addresses is that countries that are predominantly Christian general speaking tend to be the countries with the most freedoms? at least from my perspective. There doesn't seem to be a lot of freedom in countries that are officially atheist. China N. Korea, Cuba, and the former Soviets weren't really known for freedoms or human rights. I also see a pattern with communism. Why aren't atheist flocking to these places? They could live in a Christian free society.
@syggelekokIe CONT...... Stalin was hated by his own people he sent millions of them to their death but I do see a pattern with Communism and atheism. I sent encyclopedia article about non Communist atheist societies also and they didn't deem to be bastions of freedom.
My father and grandparents grew up in the Soviet Union and I have a decent knowledge of Russian history and politics. I know many citizens hated Stalin. Fear was a major factor during his reign, but he also employed ridiculous propaganda, such as novels which painted himself and Lenin as infallible, god-like heroes of the revolution, which children were forced to read at school and many believed. In fact there is still a large group of Russians today who worship Stalin like a god due to this.
@syggelekokIe "Just watch video of the masses of citizens at Kim Il-sung's funeral who do believe it."
What will watching a propaganda video prove? Where is this video? Were they all questioned or did all these people make a statement. Did it appear on state sponsored television. Know offense but I think your pissing in the wind. I don't find your arguments very convincing with the exception that atheism may lead to hero worship, however I seriously doubt you have any evidence, who knows?
@benthemiester YouTube search: "Kim Il Sung Dies." These people have been brainwashed since childhood to believe the magical being crap, just like the religious.
Why don't you find my argument convincing? I have been providing you facts. Officially secular America, the Czech stats, "atheist" North Korea's employment of supernatural fairy tales - all fact. The only information I used that has no black and white evidence was the Stalin god/hero part, and yet that's the only part you bought.
@syggelekokIe I said officially atheist states. I even mailed examples of non Communist atheist societies. You don't seem to understand the difference between states that are officially atheist and that outlaw religion, and secular states that allow freedom of choice. Please read a dictionary or an encyclopedia. If you don't have access to one or don't know how to find one on line, let me know and I will try to help you.
@benthemiester@benthemiester Thank you so much for copying and pasting Wikipedia articles and sending them to me. Clearly you are so much smarter than I. Let me be clear. I understand fully. You misunderstand why I cited examples of "atheist" AND secular countries.
1) In your original comment you said that Hitchens ignores the fact that predominantly Christian countries are the countries with the most freedoms. I countered that with the example of a nation like the Czech Republic.
@benthemiester 2) Then you citied "officially atheist" countries (China N. Korea, Cuba, and the former Soviets) and stated they do not provide freedoms. I ADDRESSED THIS STATE ATHEISM SPECIFICALLY when I countered that with specific evidence that the North Korean government uses "supernatural" propaganda and is therefore not atheist.
@benthemiester I brought up the fact that America is OFFICIALLY SECULAR to address your question of why don't atheists flock to communist (or "official atheist") states. It is important to note that because America is secular it therefore has no official religious basis and thus with regards to this asking why don't non-believer Americans flock to North Korea is like asking why don't all Christian Americans flock to Vatican City? My question is just as valid with this logic.
@benthemiester 4) Then you argued that America is not secular, which is wrong and why I replied that it is a fact that America is secular. I was not addressing state atheism, I was merely correcting you.
@syggelekokIe I saw some people crying and getting emotional. I saw the same when Princess Di died. When Reagen died we displayed his body for public view for several days. Do you think everyone has to mourn like white people? I didn't here anyone calling him a God. Propaganda sound bites don't prove anything. Is this what you consider scholarly research? Did you see how people reacted when Micheal Jackson died? No one called him God. This is really a weak argument.
@benthemiester It is not relevant if the people believe it. The only fact I need to prove my point is that the official North Korean government issues propaganda that promotes supernatural beliefs and therefore, even though it may call itself an atheist state, it is not.
@syggelekokIe I showed my room mate who was born in N Korea and escaped with his family when he was young your thread, and he started laughing. Your citing government propaganda. No one believes that. If your saying atheism is correlated with Idolatry I have never heard that before...........
@benthemiester This government propaganda is the exact same as religious propaganda. It's NOT atheist propaganda because it promotes the belief and worship of supernatural powers. You are only proving my point. It's just as ridiculous as the magical stories of the Bible and if your roommate indeed escaped from North Korea, obviously he doesn't believe the same crap the most of the people who stayed do. Just watch video of the masses of citizens at Kim Il-sung's funeral who do believe it.
@benthemiester Over 60% of Czechs are atheists/agnostics and they have as many freedoms as any American. And Czechs do NOT approve of Communism at all. Addressing your question: "Why aren't atheist flocking to these places? They could live in a Christian free society." Please remember that The United States is officially secular. Why don't Christians flock to an officially Christian nation, like Vatican City or Costa Rica? They could live in an "atheism free" society.
@syggelekokIe I also sent article that corrects your math about Czechs. it is only 30 percent atheist. The US is not an officially atheist country and a prayer is recited every morning in Congress. Our currency has the words In God We trust. Our declaration speaks of us as being endowed by our creator. The fact that in spite of a secular Constitution we still have great freedoms, actually makes my point for me.
@benthemiester From your article: "According to the 2001 census, 59% of the country is agnostic, atheist or non-believer" Also 8.8% of the population was unspecified in this *old* census and atheism/agnosticism has grown since then.
The US is officially secular. It is a fact.
"The fact that in spite of a secular Constitution we still have great freedoms, actually makes my point for me." No, it proves my point.
@benthemiester Why would I leave the country of my birth, rather than fight for the rights that the constitution guarantees me as a U.S. citizen. I HOLD THIS TRUTH TO BE SELF-EVIDENT: FREEDOM OF RELEGION ALSO MEANS FREEDOM FROM RELEGION. How dare you suggest that I or anyone who does not beleive the popular mythos of the day, go somewhere else to pursue the freedom guaranteed by our constitution. Why don't you relocate to never-never land if you are so fond of a beleif in fairy tales.
@RobNLynchburgVA If your speaking of love it or leave it. Then I agree, I don't believe in that concept either. I was speaking of people like Hitchen who choose to migrate on there own free will and I was making the point that atheist like him are not flocking to countries that are officially atheist. Hitchen understands that even in a country dominated by a Christian majority that we cherish freedom and liberty enough to support a secular Constitution, but this does not mean an atheist one.
@RobNLynchburgVA "I HOLD THIS TRUTH TO BE SELF-EVIDENT: FREEDOM OF RELEGION ALSO MEANS FREEDOM FROM RELEGION" Can you please cite in what document your quoting.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"
Source Declaration of independence.
The Constitution is a separate document. if your speaking of the first amendment. if your going to fight for your rights u should know the difference.
@benthemiester I am not quoting from any document. It is a personal quote from my heart. Do you not know things, just because they are true to yourself. And freedom of relegion is universally considered to be freedom from relegion. I don't feel the need for others to believe what I believe. I just don't want to feel like others are forcing their beliefs on me. I don't know why that is such a hard concept to grasp. This is the last discourse I will have with you. PEACE
@RobNLynchburgVA "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" Source Constitution of The United States
Can you please show me where it say's freedom from religion?
Hitch DOES believe in (GOD) -Ye, that's my opinion only,,...(even if this god is just an equation) it's just religion he rails on as it is THEE cause of most of the wars. The Mussolini's of the world were horrible, but their atheism is only incindental...blah da da,..let Hitch talk...not me.
@mstachife Hi. Was I not too clear...Oh, you are a Jesus person. Well, I think it's good if it makes you happy. I must point to the obvious, you are well out of your element...and by the way, I DO believe. Just religion is what I must deal with b/c I am living among you...Expand yourself. I know it is scary at times,...me too. All of us.
@charliesechos Hitchens doesn't believe in God. Have you listened to the man?
Why would you assert Hitchens' thoughts, and then say 'let hitchen talk, not me'.....what is your point then? You're disproving your own point in the same paragraph.
@Raherin It' just like if you were talking with someone and you are trying to explain to a 3rd person, and it dawns on you, "what am (I) doing trying to explain it? Let the person who's the master, (at a given subject) in this case CH do the talking." So, while I can see your observation, I (thought) it was self-explanatory. Also, the "Hitch does believe in god" IS just my opinion, but based on so many years of watching him, and my own personal feelings.
as I said GOD is most likely an equation. Also, no, no jesus type god. That is just humans trying to make sense of things and then it's co-op'd from rulers to keep people in (order)...how-ever they see fit.
[ Unbelief and Its Consequences ] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
@BrightLight57 ..Do you not know that an Atheist or anyone who isn't a Christan doesn't believe in the Bible? Spouting off verses from it is not convincing anyone, it only makes you look like a moron.
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
Faith is the belief without psychical evidence. I hope that your religious belief is based on actual evidence, and not faith. ("Miracles" and subjective evidence shouldn't be a reason either :). )
"As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom."
-Shall I start quoting scripture from the Vedas next? I know what the Bible says. I've read it, that's my point. Stop parroting scripture when you are unable to formulate an actual argument of your own.
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
Do not be quick with your mouth, do not be hasty in your heart to utter anything before God. God is in heaven and you are on earth, so let your words be few.
@mstachife - Exactly. It's like a Muslim quoting scriptures from the Qur'an when debating a Christian. It means NOTHING to the Christian because he completely dismisses the Qur'an as a blasphemous, ridiculous, absurd piece of fiction written by misguided ignorant men in the desert.
That's EXACTLY how atheists see the Christian argument based on the scriptures from their own holy fairy tale books.
@BrightLight57 I'm always surprised how religious people quote their holy books when they have no idea what to say. Please bright forward a sound argument and discuss it...quoting scripture, which to many are JUST books, provides no advancement to your cause.
[ Warning Against Antichrists ] Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
@BrightLight57 I think maybe instead of " blessed " stupid , mug , gullible , cannon fodder , fool. Not one of jesuses good days .Jesus might have said some good things but this was not one of them
It is a little odd that when Cartervon asks for proof you keep quoting old greek books of heresay that have been poorly translated, selected and edited by people with agendas. I just re-read Cartervon's comments and he definitely asked for proof.
For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
@BrightLight57 You'll quote the New Testament without batting an eyelash as to how Zeus feels about your belief in a false theology. What will you say to Zeus' face upon your death?
I have to say that Hitchen's gambit "name me a moral action..." really falls down under its own definition.
The answer is obviously: say a prayer for someone. Hitchens wouldn't consider that moral but a religious person would, and we end up back to where we should be with morals - relativism, not absolutism.
Both Hitchens and the staunched theist seem to be absolute about morals - but that isn't the truth.
@SalSanMar3 No, he said an action OR statement made! Anyway - a prayer is an action! Try to pray without changing your state! That's also why it's a VERB!
@SalSanMar3 They did already! But Hitchens didn't accept that as a moral action. A believer does consider it a moral action. In other words Hitchens assumes his definition is the correct one!
@SalSanMar3 It happened at least twice - against Dr. Turek and that nice Christian guy he toured America with debating (I forget his name but you'll find him somewhere). I also seem to remember Dinesh D'Souza (sp) coming up with the same argument and even I think Al Sharpton!
RIP Hitch :(
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ashburnhouse 3 months ago
Mr Hitchens does not regard a fallen human condition and he categorizes with a presuppostion that all religon is wrong based on the humans who take righteousness out of context. He has not read enough Scripture to develop a opinion that is divine enough to call God a liar. He is just a man. very sad
JLITE08 3 months ago
@JLITE08
He "does not regard a fallen human condition". Huh? Do you mean he disagrees (as do I) with the warped christian idea that we are created sick, needing to be cured? What kind of sick fuck is this god who would deliberately create human beings in a state of being "bad", and then blame them for it, and demand abject contrition from them for "sin" for which they are not even responsible. It's impossible to believe an omnipotent god wouldn't have better things to do with his time than that
leisulin 3 months ago
@leisulin
...ESP. if you consider what he supposedly does with the ones who refuse to be "sorry" for the "sin" for which they aren't responsible. Even trying to visualize such a being, I can only think of some infinitely warped and sadistic child who had incredible power without any of the responsibility that should come with it, and was prepared to do and did such utterly MONSTROUS things. Such a god is inconceivable to anyone who still has a mind in their heads that actually functions.
leisulin 3 months ago
@leisulin ... longsuffering, goodness, and all of the Character of God himself but the only was we can obtain this in by accepting who He is in His totality. Adam and Eve were limited for the greater good of what was to come in Christ.. This is the only reason why we had a divine hope of Glory today. Now you and I and everyone we know can witness the risen Savior of Mankind alive in HIs Word and unite with HIm on the day He has set forth in the near future. Live by faith my friend...
JLITE08 3 months ago
@leisulin God made everything good. He saw what He had made and called it good yet we as human beings are not God and we chose to disobey Him and since He is Holy and Righteous He had all right to condem Adam and Eve to hell yet He gave them Grace and Mercy and a token of what was to come as God Himself in the form of a man who died in Adam's ( Includes all of us) place to give us His Righetousness to be partakers in authentic love, joy, peace, patience....
JLITE08 3 months ago
@JLITE08
I'm arguing with a programmed automaton so this is probably futile to say, but all I can do is reply with the words of Matt Dillahunty, who said it well (this will take two comments-worth of space): [Your god] created this system knowing ahead of time what was gonna happen, knowing that people would sin and fall away, and he thinks that it's just to punish one person for the sins of another, ...
leisulin 3 months ago
@JLITE
....that the sins of the father should carry on to the son, that we are all responsible for original sin. Those are all immoral principles. Then what he does is he comes out and says "hmmm I've created this situation where I've turned everybody into sinners" so he sacrifices himself to himself to act as a loophole for a rule that he made himself, instead of just forgiving. It's an absolutely absurd and obscene and immoral philosophy.
leisulin 3 months ago
@JLITE
The bottom line is: if you are still able to USE your brain (which I fear is not the case), you will see that this stuff you've been believing is obviously NONSENSE. What's more, it's nonsense that no moral person could possibly stand behind or support, i.e. IF such a creature existed and had all those properties you apparently believe in, it ("he" is too generous) would be a monster of galactic proportions. You'd need a 98773626949923776266378 point font with which to write "MONSTER".
leisulin 3 months ago
@leisulin .... not by sight, not by circumstances, not by mere experiences, and not by emotions.. Live by faith... I encourage you faith in Christ can see thru death and all other man made distictions and or acknowledgements.
JLITE08 3 months ago
See Hitchens lose in debate at Shockawenow . n e t
shockofgod 5 months ago
I don't know for how many words I've heard Mr. Hitchens speak over the last 5 years, but I'd guess that 80% of them were well received. There was something he said that was most desappointing. When asked if he had it to do over would he still smoke and consume alcohol he said, "Yes." I don't believe that. I think it was an act of rebelion. It wasn't an answer based on logic, but one based on false pride in my opinion.
controversialbook 6 months ago
@controversialbook Did you ever consider that a man who recognizes his one life on Earth should be about quality over quantity? I love drinking and smoking too!
beatonm198 4 months ago
I don't know hitchens health condition atm. haven't heard much about it. they say that no news is good news. so I hope he's doing better now
SteveDutchy 9 months ago
Dear ol' Christopher (meaning 'of Christ), ought to change his name to, 'of Lucis', Lucipher, seeing as he prefers Milton's Hell, Hell, of course, God's place of punishment created for Lucifer and those fallen angels.
Christopher is so stupid he cannot recognise that the Hebrew scriptures, which contain instruction for his people, the Jews, are not for him. He is far too wicked to see their worth.
Mr Hitchens speaks out of malice against something he hates, ie instruction by God
MandoMohan 9 months ago
@MandoMohan I'm pretty sure Lucifer means "bringer of light." It's from the same root as "Lucy."
msmwkc 4 months ago
Hitchens and Ghomeshi (the Toronto-based interviewer) are both gifted in their respective fields. This is a nice find.
countingmx 9 months ago
Wait a second, we're following an editor of a FASHION MAGAZINE. Whoa, I had no idea, um does everyone know this?! R we totally screwed or is there someone else? VANITY FAIR editor telling us what to believe, this is actually pretty embarassing! Can anyone help me out wrapping my head around this.
timjdong 10 months ago
@timjdong You may want to reconsider your assessment of "Vanity Fair." It's more than just a fashion magazine in the same way that "Playboy" is more than a men's magazine. Among other things, both are known for their relatively high literary quality. Regardless, Hitchens is not just a writer for "Vanity Fair," but also for "Slate," "The Atlantic," and many other journals and magazines. In fact, he's not just a writer; he's also taught at a number of institutions, including The New School.
writersblock26 10 months ago
@writersblock26 Comparing 'Playboy' to 'Vanity Fair' is a wonderful comparison, thanks for that!!! I'll have to check out his writings in the Slate & THe Atlantic - though . . . would prefer my hero stuck to those & other more respectable publications. Best wishes
timjdong 10 months ago 2
@timjdong You're welcome. I have to admit that I would probably read Hitchens even if he wrote only for for "Cosmo"- I just learn so much about history and language from his writing.
writersblock26 10 months ago
Looks like the Christians are steering clear of this channel, and for good reason.
They have no arguments to refute Mr. Hitchens.
Dogma fails miserably.
gjsterp 10 months ago
One of the best Hitchens interviews I've seen. He really knows what he's talking about
Pullmanfan7 11 months ago
The man has my respect as he is honest, and as he does not know God and has no experience of Him he honestly nails his colours to the mast and steams ahead.
His understanding of what Christians have is sadly completely up the creek. He even things followers of the Catholic religion are something to do with God! He should know that that religion has been utterly debunked by Christians for centuries. However......well done for your honesty Christopher. I pray you don't suffer pain as you go
BroJustin 11 months ago
@BroJustin
Like it or not, Catholicism is a form of christianity, one of the hundreds of forms of it.
leisulin 3 months ago
I'm asked to follow the ideas of people who were lost for 40 years.
No can do.
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago 11
"Desert morality" that's a good assessment. I love it. Very accurate.
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago
The sun is a horrid father but it's a great sun.
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago
The sun is the basis of all gods.
In truth, the sun does not care if you live or die. It doesn't care if you have money. It doesn't care if you use sunscreen 2 or 30. It doesn't care if you get sunburn. It doesn't care if you die in the Gobi desert of dehydration. It doesn't care. It doesn't care about us. It doesn't care if we're cold. It doesn't care if we have light to read by. It doesn't care about money. It doesn't care about pefection. It doesn't care about life after death or eternity.
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago 2
Charlemagne spread religion by force. Is that godly?
Without stealing children to make them soldiers, there would be no god. Without tithing as tax-free money there would be no god.
God would die without money.
All gods are based on the solar sun as the eternal light that shines down upon us. It won't be eternal though. Not unless billions of years is eternal. It's going to shine for a long time, I'll say that much. The sun doesn't care about wealth like so-called gods do.
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago 2
Much better introduction to the video than that same quote : )
thepigofhappiness 1 year ago
Sky daddy worship is simply delusional behaviour, practiced by folks who have been brainwashed by the 'herd' of fellow brainwashed culture around them. The prognosis for escaping this delusion is heavily based on the level of conviction in the delusion and the openness the person has in allowing info that contradicts the delusion(reality). It's very sad that, in this day and age, we are still witnessing this brainwashing. Let's just consider it child abuse in the highest form.
saxmanchiro 1 year ago
I admire him, respect him, and really hope he's wrong (about there being a purpose, direction, and meaning to the universe.) Hitch is a brilliant thinker, and I love his ability to use logic to make an irrefutable argument. I especially love his talent for irking Fox News. Religion should not be used to justify governent actions, decisions, or beliefs. I'm a Catholic, but hearing that Hitch is a victim of God's wrath because of his throat cancer disgusts me.
Mxlsptlk 1 year ago
@Mxlsptlk What kind of God removes the main voice of protest against his arguments? If an argument is valid, then it can withstand another argument. What would be the harm in having a descenting voice?
Mxlsptlk 1 year ago
@Mxlsptlk His affliction got totally nothing to do with your faith. He smoked and drank for years, think that might have something to do with it. People like you make me sick, he's fighting for your mind you stupid cow, and all you can do is disgust yourself with your perverted ideas of what god is doing to him? I admire your courage for presenting your point of view, though not as innocent as I imagine you would like it to seem. Your the problem!!! Arrest The Pope Now!!!
Pitfytr 1 year ago
@luyben12 - You mean one of the many antiCHRISTIANS. There's a difference.
The anti-Christ is one of the fictional antagonist characters in the Christian Bronze Age mythology, as all fairy tales need a hero and a bad guy.
Silly rabbit. Christ is for kids..
morpheusxnyc 1 year ago
I can only hope Hitch gets 80 years, we need him to occasionally inject some sanity into a completely fucked up world. Get better soon Mr.Hitchens!
invisiblebears 1 year ago 43
@invisiblebears Well good sir, we are screwed now
pimpinspartan 2 weeks ago
@Lizzardpeople eh.. obviously Love hates sodomy. Yet Love loves the person.
ubertuberx5 1 year ago
@Lizzardpeople I agree. Your concept of god is wretched. My concept of God is not a deity. My God is Love.
ubertuberx5 1 year ago
the interviewer is a moron or worst still a mormon
tomuscranius 1 year ago
You can reduce this all you want. It doesn't matter how intelligent you are.. NONE of your questions will be answered until you use faith. Faith is built into the process of finding & understanding God. The first part of understanding is "this only works with faith" Its the master ingredient. The challenge is to try it...
ubertuberx5 1 year ago
@ubertuberx5 The real challenge is to take a biology degree and actually do some evolutionary research and find out how stupid you used to be. Happened to me.
ileto042 1 year ago
@ubertuberx5
Faith is no doubt built into the process of finding god, because finding god requires belief without justification, i.e. faith. And if you use faith to "answer" ALL of your questions as you suggest, you're gonna be as ignorant afterward as you were when you started, for clearly the "answers" will have absolutely no justification either. Such "answers" will be utterly meaningless. The real challenge is to dumb yourself down to the point where you'll actually believe those answers.
leisulin 3 months ago
God is just as real as happiness, joy, faith, gratitude, forgiveness, etc... because this is the God of the bible. It clearly says God is Love and he lives in the hearts of man. To think he is anything else is Idolatry. So how can you say Love does not exist? Likewise the "devil" is fear, hate, doubt, etc.. these also exists in the world? So I have to wonder what your argument is?
ubertuberx5 1 year ago
@ubertuberx5 Love is love. Hate is hate. Nothing more.
Tiffanyjlc 1 year ago
@Tiffanyjlc which one of those motivated Hitler to kill 6 million people?
ubertuberx5 1 year ago
@ubertuberx5 Indifference to the Jews' suffering allowed 6 million to be killed; that and a narcissistic psychosis, and Hitler told the Germans he was doing god's work when he was killing all those Jews to make room for his super race of christian white people.
Jbear9 1 year ago
how can anyone argue with this man - this great man of great rational thinking
johnykoop 1 year ago
"Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, this also means freedom FROM RELEGION. You don't think freedom from religion is implied in that statement. Then you must be a right wing conservative christian from the dark ages. Now can you bother someone else.
RobNLynchburgVA 1 year ago
Is it just me or does Hitch appear to have a halo behind him at times?
SpellboundSolution 1 year ago
First time I've seen Hitchens appear sober. Always great either way
agent1180 1 year ago
Shhh, it's quiet in here.
MarxIzalias 1 year ago
The Palestinian Authority and Jordan earlier this week arrested two Palestinians suspected of selling a house in Hebron Jews.
One of the suspects is being held in Jordan, and the other in the West Bank town of Jericho. Palestinian laws call for a death sentence for anyone found guilty of selling land to Jews.
Rockwellbabe2 1 year ago
uhh to answer the hosts question.. Why would you want to comment on a subject you don't in " ..
Well Uhh.. I don't know .. maybe it's because it effects almost everyth around you? No matter what you believe it's there .. in your face, hovering over laws etc? DUH>
morbashlurog 1 year ago
@morbashlurog was suppose to 'believe in' , not jsut in.. ( first sentence of question example)
morbashlurog 1 year ago
@morbashlurog good response might be = if religion didn't reach out passed its realm, I wouldn't have any problem man.
morbashlurog 1 year ago
@morbashlurog ..... " trouble is , it doesn't stop at its borders .. it keep going and going .. like cancer. "
morbashlurog 1 year ago
Touchdown Jesus struck by lightning and burned to the ground, Sweet! Youtubers, look it up, great video of it burning.
MrSueVeneer 1 year ago
@MrSueVeneer
Now look it up Hitchens has cancer, I guess he will find out soon enough if God exist or not. Oh, if he doesn't exist then he won't know either since you all believe life ends at death.
eccoodamo 1 year ago
@eccoodamo Que?
MrSueVeneer 1 year ago
@eccoodamo The light is there if you open your eyes, come out of the darkness young man.
MrSueVeneer 1 year ago
Christopher Hitchens is brilliant !
dame1beso 1 year ago
What Hitchens never addresses is that countries that are predominantly Christian general speaking tend to be the countries with the most freedoms? at least from my perspective. There doesn't seem to be a lot of freedom in countries that are officially atheist. China N. Korea, Cuba, and the former Soviets weren't really known for freedoms or human rights. I also see a pattern with communism. Why aren't atheist flocking to these places? They could live in a Christian free society.
benthemiester 1 year ago
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syggelekokIe 1 year ago 3
@syggelekokIe CONT...... Stalin was hated by his own people he sent millions of them to their death but I do see a pattern with Communism and atheism. I sent encyclopedia article about non Communist atheist societies also and they didn't deem to be bastions of freedom.
benthemiester 1 year ago
My father and grandparents grew up in the Soviet Union and I have a decent knowledge of Russian history and politics. I know many citizens hated Stalin. Fear was a major factor during his reign, but he also employed ridiculous propaganda, such as novels which painted himself and Lenin as infallible, god-like heroes of the revolution, which children were forced to read at school and many believed. In fact there is still a large group of Russians today who worship Stalin like a god due to this.
syggelekokIe 1 year ago
@syggelekokIe "Just watch video of the masses of citizens at Kim Il-sung's funeral who do believe it."
What will watching a propaganda video prove? Where is this video? Were they all questioned or did all these people make a statement. Did it appear on state sponsored television. Know offense but I think your pissing in the wind. I don't find your arguments very convincing with the exception that atheism may lead to hero worship, however I seriously doubt you have any evidence, who knows?
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester YouTube search: "Kim Il Sung Dies." These people have been brainwashed since childhood to believe the magical being crap, just like the religious.
Why don't you find my argument convincing? I have been providing you facts. Officially secular America, the Czech stats, "atheist" North Korea's employment of supernatural fairy tales - all fact. The only information I used that has no black and white evidence was the Stalin god/hero part, and yet that's the only part you bought.
syggelekokIe 1 year ago
@syggelekokIe I said officially atheist states. I even mailed examples of non Communist atheist societies. You don't seem to understand the difference between states that are officially atheist and that outlaw religion, and secular states that allow freedom of choice. Please read a dictionary or an encyclopedia. If you don't have access to one or don't know how to find one on line, let me know and I will try to help you.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester @benthemiester Thank you so much for copying and pasting Wikipedia articles and sending them to me. Clearly you are so much smarter than I. Let me be clear. I understand fully. You misunderstand why I cited examples of "atheist" AND secular countries.
1) In your original comment you said that Hitchens ignores the fact that predominantly Christian countries are the countries with the most freedoms. I countered that with the example of a nation like the Czech Republic.
syggelekokIe 1 year ago
@benthemiester 2) Then you citied "officially atheist" countries (China N. Korea, Cuba, and the former Soviets) and stated they do not provide freedoms. I ADDRESSED THIS STATE ATHEISM SPECIFICALLY when I countered that with specific evidence that the North Korean government uses "supernatural" propaganda and is therefore not atheist.
syggelekokIe 1 year ago
@benthemiester I brought up the fact that America is OFFICIALLY SECULAR to address your question of why don't atheists flock to communist (or "official atheist") states. It is important to note that because America is secular it therefore has no official religious basis and thus with regards to this asking why don't non-believer Americans flock to North Korea is like asking why don't all Christian Americans flock to Vatican City? My question is just as valid with this logic.
syggelekokIe 1 year ago
@benthemiester 4) Then you argued that America is not secular, which is wrong and why I replied that it is a fact that America is secular. I was not addressing state atheism, I was merely correcting you.
syggelekokIe 1 year ago
@syggelekokIe I saw some people crying and getting emotional. I saw the same when Princess Di died. When Reagen died we displayed his body for public view for several days. Do you think everyone has to mourn like white people? I didn't here anyone calling him a God. Propaganda sound bites don't prove anything. Is this what you consider scholarly research? Did you see how people reacted when Micheal Jackson died? No one called him God. This is really a weak argument.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester It is not relevant if the people believe it. The only fact I need to prove my point is that the official North Korean government issues propaganda that promotes supernatural beliefs and therefore, even though it may call itself an atheist state, it is not.
syggelekokIe 1 year ago
@syggelekokIe I showed my room mate who was born in N Korea and escaped with his family when he was young your thread, and he started laughing. Your citing government propaganda. No one believes that. If your saying atheism is correlated with Idolatry I have never heard that before...........
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester This government propaganda is the exact same as religious propaganda. It's NOT atheist propaganda because it promotes the belief and worship of supernatural powers. You are only proving my point. It's just as ridiculous as the magical stories of the Bible and if your roommate indeed escaped from North Korea, obviously he doesn't believe the same crap the most of the people who stayed do. Just watch video of the masses of citizens at Kim Il-sung's funeral who do believe it.
syggelekokIe 1 year ago
@benthemiester Over 60% of Czechs are atheists/agnostics and they have as many freedoms as any American. And Czechs do NOT approve of Communism at all. Addressing your question: "Why aren't atheist flocking to these places? They could live in a Christian free society." Please remember that The United States is officially secular. Why don't Christians flock to an officially Christian nation, like Vatican City or Costa Rica? They could live in an "atheism free" society.
syggelekokIe 1 year ago 48
@syggelekokIe I also sent article that corrects your math about Czechs. it is only 30 percent atheist. The US is not an officially atheist country and a prayer is recited every morning in Congress. Our currency has the words In God We trust. Our declaration speaks of us as being endowed by our creator. The fact that in spite of a secular Constitution we still have great freedoms, actually makes my point for me.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester From your article: "According to the 2001 census, 59% of the country is agnostic, atheist or non-believer" Also 8.8% of the population was unspecified in this *old* census and atheism/agnosticism has grown since then.
The US is officially secular. It is a fact.
"The fact that in spite of a secular Constitution we still have great freedoms, actually makes my point for me." No, it proves my point.
syggelekokIe 1 year ago
@syggelekokIe NOOOOOOO no Costa Rica T.T
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syggelekokIe 1 year ago
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benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester Why would I leave the country of my birth, rather than fight for the rights that the constitution guarantees me as a U.S. citizen. I HOLD THIS TRUTH TO BE SELF-EVIDENT: FREEDOM OF RELEGION ALSO MEANS FREEDOM FROM RELEGION. How dare you suggest that I or anyone who does not beleive the popular mythos of the day, go somewhere else to pursue the freedom guaranteed by our constitution. Why don't you relocate to never-never land if you are so fond of a beleif in fairy tales.
RobNLynchburgVA 1 year ago
@RobNLynchburgVA If your speaking of love it or leave it. Then I agree, I don't believe in that concept either. I was speaking of people like Hitchen who choose to migrate on there own free will and I was making the point that atheist like him are not flocking to countries that are officially atheist. Hitchen understands that even in a country dominated by a Christian majority that we cherish freedom and liberty enough to support a secular Constitution, but this does not mean an atheist one.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@RobNLynchburgVA "I HOLD THIS TRUTH TO BE SELF-EVIDENT: FREEDOM OF RELEGION ALSO MEANS FREEDOM FROM RELEGION" Can you please cite in what document your quoting.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"
Source Declaration of independence.
The Constitution is a separate document. if your speaking of the first amendment. if your going to fight for your rights u should know the difference.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester I am not quoting from any document. It is a personal quote from my heart. Do you not know things, just because they are true to yourself. And freedom of relegion is universally considered to be freedom from relegion. I don't feel the need for others to believe what I believe. I just don't want to feel like others are forcing their beliefs on me. I don't know why that is such a hard concept to grasp. This is the last discourse I will have with you. PEACE
RobNLynchburgVA 1 year ago
@RobNLynchburgVA "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" Source Constitution of The United States
Can you please show me where it say's freedom from religion?
benthemiester 1 year ago
whats up with the audio? can't hear a thing. Fix it.
brunobabashay1 1 year ago
Hitchens, great and clear as ever
DrKroenen2000 1 year ago
Hitch DOES believe in (GOD) -Ye, that's my opinion only,,...(even if this god is just an equation) it's just religion he rails on as it is THEE cause of most of the wars. The Mussolini's of the world were horrible, but their atheism is only incindental...blah da da,..let Hitch talk...not me.
charliesechos 1 year ago
@charliesechos ....?
mstachife 1 year ago
@mstachife Hi. Was I not too clear...Oh, you are a Jesus person. Well, I think it's good if it makes you happy. I must point to the obvious, you are well out of your element...and by the way, I DO believe. Just religion is what I must deal with b/c I am living among you...Expand yourself. I know it is scary at times,...me too. All of us.
charliesechos 1 year ago
@charliesechos ......?
mstachife 1 year ago
@charliesechos Hitchens doesn't believe in God. Have you listened to the man?
Why would you assert Hitchens' thoughts, and then say 'let hitchen talk, not me'.....what is your point then? You're disproving your own point in the same paragraph.
Raherin 1 year ago
@Raherin It' just like if you were talking with someone and you are trying to explain to a 3rd person, and it dawns on you, "what am (I) doing trying to explain it? Let the person who's the master, (at a given subject) in this case CH do the talking." So, while I can see your observation, I (thought) it was self-explanatory. Also, the "Hitch does believe in god" IS just my opinion, but based on so many years of watching him, and my own personal feelings.
charliesechos 1 year ago
@charliesechos Ah okay, thanks for clearing that up. Although, I'd have to say I completely disagree with your thinking Hitchens believes in God.
Hitchens is a skeptic, and a skeptic does not believe in any God, at least until proper evidence is put forth.
Are you talking about Spinoza's God? Or a loving God, like Jesus God? Or something else?
Raherin 1 year ago
@Raherin
as I said GOD is most likely an equation. Also, no, no jesus type god. That is just humans trying to make sense of things and then it's co-op'd from rulers to keep people in (order)...how-ever they see fit.
charliesechos 1 year ago
@charliesechos Ahh okay. Thanks! I see what ya mean. :]
Raherin 1 year ago
I love your confidence :)
Gilbertestabillo 1 year ago
Jian Ghomeshi is a slimy little tapeworm of a man.
ashburnhouse 1 year ago
It's kind of hard to hear Hitchens in this one. Anyone else having this issue?
rowenagoldfarb 1 year ago
Is there a signed copy of a Christopher Hitchen's book for sale somewhere?
Poleschs 1 year ago
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Ebuverthebicepcurler 1 year ago
Romans 1:18
[ Unbelief and Its Consequences ] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 ..Do you not know that an Atheist or anyone who isn't a Christan doesn't believe in the Bible? Spouting off verses from it is not convincing anyone, it only makes you look like a moron.
mstachife 1 year ago 31
@mstachife Thank-you an God Bless...:)
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 You are quite welcome. :)
mstachife 1 year ago
@mstachife 2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 Lk 6: 27-38
Judge not, lest you be judged.
mstachife 1 year ago
@mstachife 1 Timothy 5:20
Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God.
mstachife 1 year ago
@mstachife Bingo, now you are getting it...:)
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 I don't think there is a God.
mstachife 1 year ago
@mstachife Matthew 14:31
Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?"
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 Zzz.
Faith is the belief without psychical evidence. I hope that your religious belief is based on actual evidence, and not faith. ("Miracles" and subjective evidence shouldn't be a reason either :). )
mstachife 1 year ago
@mstachife John 20:29
Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 Surah 2 ayahs 6
"As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom."
-Shall I start quoting scripture from the Vedas next? I know what the Bible says. I've read it, that's my point. Stop parroting scripture when you are unable to formulate an actual argument of your own.
mstachife 1 year ago
@mstachife 2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 ...
Aren't you doing exactly what that verse says?
mstachife 1 year ago
@mstachife John 5:43
I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57
..Can you not answer a single question?
mstachife 1 year ago
@mstachife John 14:24 These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57
Then perhaps you can use your own words for a chance? Or do you lack the capability?
mstachife 1 year ago
@mstachife Ecclesiastes 5:2
Do not be quick with your mouth, do not be hasty in your heart to utter anything before God. God is in heaven and you are on earth, so let your words be few.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57
You are a waste of my time. It's been fun though. ^^
mstachife 1 year ago
@mstachife Psalm 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57
A fool quotes passages from a book that everyone has heard, as if we haven't, and as if they will sway us.
SiriusMined 1 year ago
@SiriusMined Psalm 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57
I just replied to a post of your with the SAME verse. Did you think telling me the same verse AGAIN was going to magically change my mind?
Then again, you are a weak-minded idiot that believes in zombie Jesus, so you probably did think so.
Heard it all before. Telling me again isn't going to help.
SiriusMined 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 totally agree, christians don't do good, especially while buggering children or flogging them.
the fool puts the imaginary friend above the real 1
TheLydianRocks 1 year ago
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@SiriusMined Psalm 53:1 The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@mstachife
Most atheists know more about the bible than any christian. So he has the right to spout anything he wants.
HitchensFanatic 1 year ago
@mstachife - Exactly. It's like a Muslim quoting scriptures from the Qur'an when debating a Christian. It means NOTHING to the Christian because he completely dismisses the Qur'an as a blasphemous, ridiculous, absurd piece of fiction written by misguided ignorant men in the desert.
That's EXACTLY how atheists see the Christian argument based on the scriptures from their own holy fairy tale books.
morpheusxnyc 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 I'm always surprised how religious people quote their holy books when they have no idea what to say. Please bright forward a sound argument and discuss it...quoting scripture, which to many are JUST books, provides no advancement to your cause.
matias2309 1 year ago
I'm sorry I just don't get why you're so determined to disqualify yourself from reasoned discussions.
JoolsCaesar 1 year ago
ralmao - I'm too wasted to debating morons check out the way I spelt definition and with.. that crack me up hard...
CartervonRiedel 1 year ago
this guy speaks such a lot of sense
terry4144 1 year ago
1 John 2:18
[ Warning Against Antichrists ] Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 if you have evidence for this produce it...
CartervonRiedel 1 year ago
@CartervonRiedel John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 I think maybe instead of " blessed " stupid , mug , gullible , cannon fodder , fool. Not one of jesuses good days .Jesus might have said some good things but this was not one of them
Radicalindifference 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 I think you missunderstood me I asked for 'proof' not words for which anyone could have wrote... it's retorical mate...
"blessed are those who are not skeptical of god, for the oppostie of skeptical is gullible and we need all the suckers we can get"
jesus
CartervonRiedel 1 year ago
@CartervonRiedel Luke 11:28
But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 do you have some difficultly with the fefinition of proof.
or am I talking to someone whith a very low IQ?
CartervonRiedel 1 year ago
@BrightLight57
It is a little odd that when Cartervon asks for proof you keep quoting old greek books of heresay that have been poorly translated, selected and edited by people with agendas. I just re-read Cartervon's comments and he definitely asked for proof.
JoolsCaesar 1 year ago
@JoolsCaesar # Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 the bible has as much evidence to prove god as marry poppins has to prove flying nanny's -
just cause someone wrote it down doesn't mean squat...
CartervonRiedel 1 year ago
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@CartervonRiedel # Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
BrightLight57 1 year ago
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57 You'll quote the New Testament without batting an eyelash as to how Zeus feels about your belief in a false theology. What will you say to Zeus' face upon your death?
Douche 6:9
omgwtfwhoami 1 year ago
I have to say that Hitchen's gambit "name me a moral action..." really falls down under its own definition.
The answer is obviously: say a prayer for someone. Hitchens wouldn't consider that moral but a religious person would, and we end up back to where we should be with morals - relativism, not absolutism.
Both Hitchens and the staunched theist seem to be absolute about morals - but that isn't the truth.
PatRibsey 1 year ago
@PatRibsey He said action, not a spoken thing. Prayer is "speaking" to someone, therefore not neccesarily constituting action.
SalSanMar3 1 year ago
@SalSanMar3 No, he said an action OR statement made! Anyway - a prayer is an action! Try to pray without changing your state! That's also why it's a VERB!
PatRibsey 1 year ago
@PatRibsey Well then, I hope a debater says that to see his response.
SalSanMar3 1 year ago
@SalSanMar3 They did already! But Hitchens didn't accept that as a moral action. A believer does consider it a moral action. In other words Hitchens assumes his definition is the correct one!
PatRibsey 1 year ago
@PatRibsey Can you link that debate to me? By the by, are you a christian?
SalSanMar3 1 year ago
@SalSanMar3 It happened at least twice - against Dr. Turek and that nice Christian guy he toured America with debating (I forget his name but you'll find him somewhere). I also seem to remember Dinesh D'Souza (sp) coming up with the same argument and even I think Al Sharpton!
No, I'm not a christian
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