PSA Hunger and Poverty of U.S.

[487shawn]

i an an ex canadian soldier and i am so tired of poverty around the world, this shit has to end!! tell me how one person deserves 56 billion a year!! that was the income of the richest man in the world 56 billion a year for one person! if they don't clue in soon this will all end in bloodshed!

[workergirls]

Money goes to foreign wars while millions live in poverty...

These pictures aren't from thousands of miles away...

but from our own backyards...

United States of America,

and its system called capitalism; the system of modern slavery.

[Tomaldinho9]

@workergirls maybe if those ppl would have worked hard in school they wouldn't be slaves.

[workergirls]

@Tomaldinho9 are you telling me ! hey listen I know lots of retarded rich bastard who even has no any idea about socialism and capitalism, they cannot even write and read his own language properly but they are not slave in fact they live in super luxuries. and tell you what, its not easy to focus on lessons for a poor kid. how they can be so successful in their school while they are struggling by the poverty, think about it. most of the poor kids can't even feed properly never mind studying hard

[Tomaldinho9]

@workergirls I came from a poor family in the slums of Milan. I worked hard to get A's in school and now I go to college in the United States. So it IS possible.

[jawsfan24]

@Tomaldinho9 The education system in the USA is set up to fail."No child left behind "programm is one of them,otherwise how do you explain that a student with 4 Fs can graduate ??? Only one thing,on avarege one year off school cost ab $10,000 dol per student,so how can they repeat the class ??? You have NO students repiding year unless on specificly parent request and what parent will do it to its child with the bulling going on in schools ?

[Tomaldinho9]

@jawsfan24 Maybe if the kids weren't stupid then they could pass.

[jawsfan24]

@Tomaldinho9 OK,therefore most of kids in the USA are stupid !! According to stastistics 50 % high school students drop out the school after first year.Education is polistics and money, not the student.Stupid and sensless programs are created just to get the money from the gov ,and they do not work ,but hey , someone pocketed thousand of dollars ! Do not think that the gov cares about the poor kids to be educated,it is the bigest BS !

[Tomaldinho9]

@jawsfan24 that's why you have to take initiative in educating yourself in school. That is one thing the government can never provide: motivation to lazy pieces of shit who are destined to become poor failures.

[jawsfan24]

@Tomaldinho9 There are many factors that provide success,parents,community,scho­ol ,system,the whole army of it. Commend like yours can make one stronger or can make them feel the worse and retread.I assume you have an education,you are the lucky one.Therefore, respect others like you want to be respected !!!!

[jungian9111]

Lets just quit accusing and start looking at "all" others with worth...

[moseseseseses]

This nation is headed into such a state of poverty that this will open up the door in the future for communism to come here and take over, and the people will be glad to have it, thanks to our mindless politicians who take our wealth and tax money and send it to other countries when they are in need, and turn our people out into the streets to beg. Your traitorous trash representatives in Washington are living the life of ease on your taxes, and helping others before you.

[smp236520]

hey am being sponsed by a goat herder in africa. lets contact Bono 2 c if he can ask china to do a concert 4 the us/uk "FEED THE WEST" stop the wars stop the aid and concentrate on our own countries. stop immagration unless they av the money 2 support themself.

[ComradeFlorian28]

Unemployment in the US is soaring; by contrast Socialist countries were the only ones to succeed in eliminating the scourge of unemployment.

[hrenee9]

damn vincentlnhearts, u're angry. chill out.

everybody has their own opinons and ur the one that posted the video that anybody can comment on. its an open-forum kinda thing.

have a good day so u can get over ur self

[VincentInHearts]

Hey how can you tell me I'm angry when I said that 10 months ago. I hate communists because they obviously don't know how to actually execute the guidelines of what communism is.

Equality, co-operation, that kind of thing...

But instead we get dictators... unfairness towards minorities, lack of effort or motivation to work, lazy people, failure.

Communism was a great idea. I was one so in love with it that I wanted to go move to some commi country, but I read books and studied history. haha

[ComradeFlorian]

In order to uplift the poor we must do away with the bourgeoisie!

[VincentInHearts]

Shut up you stupid HIPPIE COMMUNIST!

[marxistule]

Did you know?

American economy has fewer regulatons than other countries in the ndustrialized world, yet the American health care system is WORSE than that of other industrialized countries. All international organizations admit it.

It's not that France or Germany are socialist, They are just as capitalists as the US, yet they throw a little bit more scraps to the workers- and it shows- their poor are healthier than American poor!

[marxistule]

Toyota

Ford and GM during the 1980's

Two FINE examples of companies PROPPED UP BY THE STATE

ALL American tycoons of the XIX century- fine examples of tycoons SHIELDED by the state against foreign competition.

Laksmi Mittal

Enron

Carlos Slim(wealthier than Gates)

Three FINE examples of state connected tycoons.

Capitalism- INHERENTLY STATIST.

[FletchforFreedom]

Even if most of your examples weren't nonsensical, they would represent a tiny fraction of American business. Give it up, man, no one with any maturity or education is going to fall for such intellectually bankrupt nonsense. You follow a failed religion and simply ignore facts you don't like. It's pathetic.

[FletchforFreedom]

I've really gotta go. My time is better spent correcting the errors of those who have cogent arguments to make in defense of government intervention (socialism). You are no longer worth the effort as no one could possibly read your comments and not see your failure to score so much as a single point.

Adieu.

[marxistule]

According to your definition. But its a SKEWED definition. STATE CAPITALISM, thats what we have in the REAL world. There is NO SUCH THING as capitalism without intervention. You are the one who lives in denial!

[bobtassoni]

Of course there is such a thing as capitalism without intervention. It exists about every time you go to a store & buy something. The customer sees more advantage in acquiring what the store has than in keeping the money asked for, & the store sees more benefit in aquiring the customer's money than in keeping the item sought, & so a peaceful exchange takes place. Intervention is needed only if someone wants to take by force.

[marxistule]

THAT type of capitalism does indeed exist, but it is NOT DOMINANT. What is dominant n the REAL world is a capitalism that is INHERENTLY STATIST, a capitalism in which ALL major players have the state on their side. This is what I call REAL capitalism.

Those capitalists without state connections do not make it to the top except perhaps as very rare exceptions which CONFIRM the general rule.

[VincentInHearts]

Stop typing in caps lock dumbass.

STOP IT! IT'S ANNOYING! SEE! I'M PISSING YOU OFF AREN'T I?

[VincentInHearts]

shut up.

[VincentInHearts]

No one cares about you anyway. You're stupid. Stop acting like you're some Professor of economic systems and grammar. Get the hell off of my video dumbass. And go back to France.

[marxistule]

According to your "skewed" definiton, America should be "SOCIALIST", since all American giants emerged at a period of HEAVY PROTECTIONISM.

[FletchforFreedom]

Protectionism in the US is bad ... but PALES to insignificance in comparison to more Marxist/socialist countries. Nevertheless, the statement that "all American giants emerged at a period of HEAVY PROTECTIONISM" is as factually WRONG (and incredibly stupid) as your other assertions. I wish all Marxists were as smart as you.  It would have been eradicated in about a week.

[marxistule]

Go check Wikipedia.

Standard Oil emerged at a period of HEAVY PROTECTIONISM. XIX-century United States were ONE OF THE MOST PROTECTIONIST countries on Earth.

And American carmakers were propped up by the state in the '1980's. There's no way you can deny it. American giants LOVE protectionism.

Capitalism is NHERENTL STATIST.

[FletchforFreedom]

Once again you prove your aversion to facts. YOU go check Wikipedia (which says neither "protectionist" nor "protectionism" in its entries on Standard Oil or Rockefeller because the rise of the company had nothing to do with it. I have never denied that the US has protectionist policies. I have merely pointed out the (obvious) fact that protectionism in more socialist countries has been unioformly GREATER (which destroys your silly argument).

[marxistule]

So you admit that America at that time was protectionist, but you DENY that it was protectionism that BENEFITTED American businesses! What a hypocrite! Whats next? Are you going to deny that protectionism shields companies from foreign competition!

Get real, man! Stop being silly!

[marxistule]

Check Wikipedia for "Protectionism". That entry DEALS ALMOST ENTIRELY with the AMERICAN economy- at precisely the time when Carnegie, Morgan, Vanderbilt and Standrard Oil arose.

Whats the purpose of protectionism?

SHILEDING domestic (ie American) businesses from greedy foreign locusts (British ones, in our case).

Simple as that.

[NyCxDhAliWaLxJaTtI]

most things in wikipedia is fake and made up by ppl anyone can change things on tht site

GOD BLESS AMERICA theres ups and downs for every country no country is perfect so ppl stop hating

AMERICA is the BEST COUNTRY in the WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[marxistule]

Rockefeller did business with the state.

United Fruit did business with the state.

Lakshmi Mittal did business with Tony Blair (state official)

Enron did business with the state.

Toyota was propped up by the state.

Ford and GM were propped up by the state.

Wake up, pal! We live in the world of STATE CAPITALISM!

Pure business-owners get gobbled up by STATE-CONNECTED guys like Enron,Rockefeller, Laksmi Mittal etc.

[marxistule]

Lakshmi Mittal did business with Tony Blair. You cant deny it. He was a state capitalist, and yet he was (and still is) VERY SUCCESSFUL. He was (and still is) able to buy up smaller capitalists who dont do business with Tony Blair or Gordon Brown?

I'm asking you- WHAT does this prove???))))))

[marxistule]

Russian and Indian oligarchs with STRONG ties to the state have been known to OUTCOMPETE US firms and even to BUY THEM UP. Japanese and French firms likewise. And it seems that US firms are no longer at the forefront of making aquisitions.

[marxistule]

If capitalism is not statist and protectionist, how come all the major players on the international market have ties to the state? How come the WEALTHIEST tycoons on Earth are those that have been known to do business with the state? Do we live in a capitalist world or not? And if not, why are you defending a non-capitalist system for allegedly making Westerners and Japanese so better off???)))))))))))))))

[FletchforFreedom]

Simple. Outside of your waroed imagination, THEY DON'T. The wealthiest "tycoons" on earth (outside of the dicatatorial - sometimes socialist - state tycoons of oil rich companies) may offer products that the state buys but overwhelmingly DO NOT have "ties" to the state. Bill Gates, for example, was penalized by the state for not giving in to it.

[marxistule]

Wrong again.

1. Russian oligarchs ALL have ties to the state- and I;m not talking about "state tycoons" of state companies.

2. Carlos Slim- wealthiest man on Earth (wealthier than Bill Gates). Heavily colluded with the state- and still does.

3. Mukesh Ambani- also wealthier than Bill Gates.

4. Lakshmi Mittal- did business with Tony Blair.

5. ALL American, West European and Japanese tycoons- since they benefit from protectionism that shields them from foreign competitors.

[FletchforFreedom]

Russian oligarchs are an example of socialism in actual practice (as opposed to the unoptainable theoretical fiction). Your continued factual inaccuracies (such as the purported ties to the state of Slim merely undermine your (absurd) position.

[marxistule]

Russian oligarchs are a fine exemple of CAPITALISM. Without the support of the state they would have been gobbled up by Western oligarchs.

[FletchforFreedom]

Russian oligarchs are exactly what have emerged in each and every ostensible attempt to impelment socialism. It says nothing about capitalsim and everything about the inherent failures of such an obviously impossible utopian system.

[marxistule]

Russian oligarchs are EXACTLY what has emerged after socialism WAS DISMANTLED.

[marxistule]

There are TWO CLASSES of capitalists.

Class A capitalists that hate the state and won't collude with it against other capitalists.

Class B capitalists LOVE to do business with the sate.

You only problem is that Class A capitalists DO NOT EXIST. They are so wondeful, but you dont seem able to locate them. You only hear of them when they go BANKRUPT.

See, FletchforFreedom, you should apologize to us for taking desfinitons out of the thin air.

[FletchforFreedom]

My definition of capitalism is the one in common use in the real world (not the one that exists in your imagination and involves classes A & B). Likewise my definition of socialism is consistent with the real world and as I have demonstrated an ability to state actual facts (such as the US having the wealthiest "poor" in the world) and you have repeated obvious falsehoods (about starvation and leprosy), my assessment of the real world is inherently more credible.

[marxistule]

1. Your definition of capitalism is NOT rooted in the real world, since all major players today have TIES WITH THE STATE, and all capitlaist powers are PROTECTIONISTS.

2. America DOES have starving people, as well as people who earn WELL BELOW the minimum wage.

3. The realtive prosperity of Western workers is due to the SUPEREXPLOITATION of workers in poorer countries by Western forms- see Gap in India and British firms in Bangladesh.

[FletchforFreedom]

Your definition of capitalism is NOT rooted in the real world because the overwhelming majority of businesses are NOT tied to the state and are, in fact, limited by state intervention in the form of minimum wage laws (I guess because unemployment isn't high enough), tariffs and punitive taxation.

[marxistule]

But the MAJOR players MOST DEFINITELY are tied to the state.

In the REAL world you dont have too many chances of getting rich without having at least SOME murky ties with the state.

Yes, there are a lot of unconnected businesses, but in more than 99% of cases they dont make it to the top.

[FletchforFreedom]

"But the MAJOR players MOST DEFINITELY are tied to the state."

Repeating such complete idiocy doesn't magically make it less stupid. In the real world, people improve their lot in life without relying on the state EVERY DAY. It is the norm.

[marxistule]

What a dope you are!!! OF COURSE they don't have to rely on the state EVERY DAY. But you CANNOT DENY that they SOMETIMES do business with the state. ALL of them. Enron is just the tip of the iceberg.

[FletchforFreedom]

OF COURSE I didn't mean that they didn't rely on the state "every day". I mean there are enterprises that are successful EVERY DAY without reliance upon the state AT ALL - OBVIOUSLY. What a dope you are!!!!

Enron is the exception that proves the rule. It represents duch a tiny fraction of Americna business as to be inconsequential in a discussion such as this.

[marxistule]

Enron its just the TIP of the iceberg.

Enterprise that do not have ties to the state ma be successful FOR A WHILE, then they get gobbled up by state-connected Tycoons.

United Fruit

Enron

Standrard Oil (in its heyday, but also today)

Toyota (Japan used to be hyperprotectionist)

Renault (France STILL IS very protectionist).

Nice examples.

[FletchforFreedom]

Standard Oil actually continually lowered prices for consumers as it provided more and better products. Again, there is little point in arguing with a Marxist so obviously incapable of basic research, actual historical understanding, reliabnce upon commonly accepted definitions and actual, provable facts.  Feel free to wallow in your ignorance. I'm done with you.

[marxistule]

Standard Oil doesnt do business with American state? Or with other state? Are they pure capitalists or state capitalists?

Was Rockefeller a pure angel who never bribed state officials?

[FletchforFreedom]

I missed this other monumentally stupid assertion. Of course, Standard Oil "did business" with the state. Only a complete moron considers the state acting as an independent buyer the same thing as "having ties" to the state.  And no evidence exists of Rockeffeller bribing anyone. In fact, he was one of the greatest philanthropists in American history. Your stances are imbecilic.

[marxistule]

Standard Oil emerged at a period when America was HEAVILY PROTECTIONIST, so it's safe to say it was BECAUSE OF STATE BACKING that it grew so big.

In fact, protectionism helps the capitalists EVEN MORE than free trade- look at America, Germany, France, Japan. Free trade only benefits you when you are ALREADY big.

Capitalism is inherently statist.

[FletchforFreedom]

The US flatly DOES not have people starving due to poverty. Your assertion is factual wrong in its entirety. The starvation incidence in the US (less than 1 person in a million) is due to child abuse, the removal of feeding tubes, and self denial either due to addiction, anorexia or similar mental illness. It is NOT the result of poverty. Any assertion to the contrary is either ignorance or a blad faced lie.

[marxistule]

Yeah, nd there are no poor immigrants earning 700$ a month, while toiling in the fields for 14-15 hours a day! NONE!

And there are no Western firms paying starvation wages in the Third World! No such thing in nature! All these allegations must be the work of wicked Marxists seeking to brainwash the masses!

[FletchforFreedom]

None? No. Though there aren't nearly as many in the US as in other far more socialistic countries where the standard of living is far lower. That is why immigrants are so eager to come here - to get the benefits they cannot get in less capitalistic countries.

[FletchforFreedom]

Frankly, I didn;t believe there was anyone on this planet so stupid as to believe the myth that the prosperity of the capitalism West (which is, because it ONLY can be the result of successful DOMESTIC economies is the result of plunder from the third world. In fact, the presence of capitalist firms in th third worls has raised the standard of living there despite the prevalence of socialist governments.

[marxistule]

Please read Friedrich Engels's masterpiece- "The condition of English working class" and see for yourselves how "better off" English workers in the XIX-century became compared with those who remained in the countryside!

Nowadays the world suffers from a dearth of good books. Ignorance is the best ally of greedy employers. It's up to us, Marxists to shed a little bit of light on some issues.

[FletchforFreedom]

THAT fiction was discredited long before some of Marx's nonsenense. In fact, the conditions of the working class in England stagnated during the period of mercantilism and improved steadily and dramatically with the division of labor all the way until the present day.

[marxistule]

Please read Engels more carefully. Otherwise I'll have to hit you with some quotes, and I dont think you're going to like it.

[FletchforFreedom]

Feel free. I've read his nonsense as well. It is a-historical drivel.

[marxistule]

The very essence of capitalism is the accumulation of wealth in private hands- through the exploitation of wage labour. The presence of tycoons is the MAIN feature of capitalism. If you have tycoons in one country, this means that that country is CAPITALIST. By this criterion, Nazi Germany was CAPITALIST. The tycoons did very well- therefore it was a CAPITALIST countries.

[FletchforFreedom]

The very essence of capitalism is the voluntary exchange of goods and services (including labor) by free individuals in an open marketplace. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the presence of "tycoons". Clearly, the problem is that you haven't a clue what the concepts you are discussing actually mean.

[marxistule]

You're talking about a "pure" capitalism, without state interference, that has only one major flaw- it DOES NOT EXIST in the real world. Your definition is taken out of thin air, I dare say.

[FletchforFreedom]

I'm talking about the actual in use definition of a REAL WORLD phenomenon. It is no accident that the greater (albeit not complete) implementation of capitalism has rasied the stadard of living even for the poor by a huge margin over examples of the greater (albeit not complete) implementation of socialism.

History, economics, basic definitions, simple reality ... they are all against you.

[marxistule]

Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

It is a well known fact that workers actually became WORSE OFF during the Industrial Revolution, and their standard of living only began to improve when Western capitalists started to SUPEREXPLOIT workers in the Third World.

But what can I say? Your "theory" is so impervious to facts that it's very hard to refute it. Since you do not live in the real world, I find it very hard to refute what you say.

[marxistule]

Greedy capitalists are worse than pigs!

[FletchforFreedom]

Yeah, they're just awful. Just think how bad they would be if they were as bad as ignorant communists.

[marxistule]

I meant to say that there should be at least several hundred of THOUSANDS who cant afford to buy food at all.

[FletchforFreedom]

Correcting your grammar and spelling doesn't make your facts any les completely inaccurate or your reasoning (sic) less fl;atly absurd.

[marxistule]

"any les"-What the fuck does it mean???

You're the one who should check your spelling, you dumb marginalist!

Nazism, Nazi Zionism and Marginalism

(pseudoeconomics) are the THREE GREAT EVILS of our time.

[FletchforFreedom]

Actually, your reading skills are still awful (I didn't misspell "any less", nor did I criticize youir spelling; rather it was your reasoning (sic) skills that are lacking. BTW, as competent people have known for more than half a century, Naziism is merely a form of socialism, Nazi Zionism is a figment of the imagination of blithering idiots, and marginalism isn't an ideology, it's an explanation of observable phenomena.

[marxistule]

Nazism is THOROUGHLY CAPITALIST ideology.

If Nazism was Socialist, then how come in Nazi Germany the tycoons were so rich?

Conclusion- you're AS DUMB AS HELL!!!

[FletchforFreedom]

As, again, has benn KNOWN for decades, Naziism (like all forms of soccialism) involved economic control by the state, which set prices, production and labor quotas, enforced slave labor and determined who one could by from and how much. That socialists haven't gotten the word is not a failure on MY part.

[marxistule]

The state DID impose economic regulations in Nazi Germany, BUT they were regulations that BENEFITTED capitalits. The tycoons got richer than ever. We all know that Socialist states do not alow the tycoons to thrive.

[FletchforFreedom]

Nazism merely retained the LANGUAGE of capitalism, thus it is an example of socialism with a thin veneer of capitalist terminology. That "tycoons" retained wealth is no more than the same retention of wealth experienced in other implementations of socialism - i.e., the nomenklatura of Soviet Russia.

[marxistule]

Nope, it retained the VERY ESSENCE of capitalism, that is PRIVATE OWNERSHIP over the means of production.

State control of economy is NOT the main feaure of Socialism. The main feature of Socialism is the ELIMINATION OF EXPLOITATION, as every educated person knows.

And YES the state officials can also be capitalists if they get rich at the expense of workers. See Gazprom for more details.

[FletchforFreedom]

Of course, those with a grasp of ACTUAL history know that Nazism DID NOT retain private ownership of the means of production as the state exercised all control over the use disposition and employment of that capital. Capitalism is the FREE market; "state capitalism" is an oxymoron.

[marxistule]

Free market does not exist. State capitalism is the only capitalism that you will ever have. In virtually all countries the capitalists have ties to the state, in one form of another. Your "libertarian" brand of "pure" capitalism is SCORNED even by the capitalists themselves- except when it comes to fooling the masses with your stupid new gospel of "divorcing" the state from the economy. Ha-ha!

[FletchforFreedom]

"Free market does not exist."

HAHAHAHA!!! Does your mommy know that you're using the computer?!?! The free market exists all over the place. Unlike (the entirely mythical concept of) socialism, the free market does NOT have to be society-wide. It exists wherever individuals freely exchange.

[marxistule]

The market does exist, but the big capitalists, in league with the state, have been known to restrict it. Yet, there is a market, but it is not a 100% free market, and certainly not a fair one.

PROTECTIONIST capitalism is what you have in the REAL world, and not the "market capitalism" you delude yoourself with. Capitalism is INHERENTLY PROTECTIONIST, and there's no way you can deny it.

[FletchforFreedom]

Once some businessmen become "in league" with the state (albeit it happens with FAR less frequently than the collusion of self described socialists/comunists and the state), their activities cease, by definition, to be capitalist. [Marxists are not entitled to retain their own (warped) personal definition of "capitalism" at odd's with everyone else's.

[marxistule]

What "definiton"?

You definition is NOT rooted in the real world.

STATE-CONNECTED CAPITALISTS, thats what you have in the REAL WORLD. Your "state-hating" capitalists DO NOT EXIST. You speak of things that DO NOT EXIST in the REAL world.

[FletchforFreedom]

Again, you wouldn't know the "real world" if it's molars were shredding your pants bottoms.

Socialism DOES NOT exist in the real world - CANNOT exist in the real world and its advocacy in the ral world has lead to nothing but greater misery, oppression and death.

[FletchforFreedom]

It's actually about as difficult to deny as it is to deny that the bottom of the ocean is dry. It's absurd on its face. If anything, socialism (which is by its very nature autarkic (even in theory) is inherently protectionist. But then, why should I care how YOU (who believes that starvation and leprosy are rampant in the US - LOL!) describe the "real world"?

[marxistule]

Nope, it's CAPITALISM that is inherently protectionist, because I assume you agree that you live in a CAPITALIST country. Otherwise, you would be seen as contradicting yourself- saying that Americans live well because of capitalism, and then that America must be socialist, since it's protectionist.

[FletchforFreedom]

The US is a predominantly capitalist country with some tragic socialist elements including protectionist agriculture policies, a welfare state and a failing social security system. It is the GREATER adoption of capitalism that accounts for the GREATER prosperity of the American people. MY stance is completely consistent with reality.

[marxistule]

It is the GREATER exploitation of Third World by greedy US capitalists that accounts for the RELATIVE prosperity of SOME Americans. Companies like Gap that SUPEREXPLOIT workers in India and Bangladesh, companies like United Fruit in Guatemala etc. IT IS IMPERIALISM that makes American workers RELATIVELLY better off than others.

[FletchforFreedom]

Is it your desire to expose your own stupidity to any and all who visit? The "exploitation of the third world" nonsense is simple immaturaty gone wild. It is the last refuge of the foolish. EVERY economy succeeds or fails based on its domestic success. The international component of the American economy is so small in compatison that your claims are flatly impossible - as any rational person can follow/

[marxistule]

The international component of the American economy is HUGE. Nearly all major players in America exploit workers in poorer countries- India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, China, Honduras- you name it. This is why the can AFFORD to pay higher wages to American workers (except for illegals, who are treated like slaves).

[FletchforFreedom]

Just in case some poor soul is stupid enough to fall for your drivel, as anyone can check, the 2006 Statistical Abstract of the United States shows GDP for 2004 (in 2000 dollars) at $11.735 trillion. International activity represents less than a tenth of economic activity and the impact is represented by the difference between GDP and GNP (Gross National Product) at $11.779 trillion. (0.37%). Facts to Marxists - like holy water to vampires.

[marxistule]

Yes, but that international activity is the source of HUGE profits, which are just suffiecinet to BRIBE most American workers. Face it: ALL major players in the US employ people in poorer countries- Gap does it, Ford does it, GM does it- and they still have to lay off American workers! Despite all the bribes!

[FletchforFreedom]

Your posts are so hilariously stupid, they're hard to resist. The investment of capital in other countries not only increases BOTH employment and wage rates there (so much for exploitation) but creates MORE and HIGHER PAYING jobs in the US (ditto). It's why unemployment in the US is so much lower (about half) than in socialist countries. And, while profitable, that it would be enough to explain the FAR greater prosperity in the US is obviously impossible.

[marxistule]

Thats exactly what I've been arguing- US firms SUPEREXPLOIT workers in poorer countries, pays them STARVATION WAGES, and this is why they can AFFORD to pay higher wages to their "own" American workers. But STILL they have to make layoffs. Why? Because of competition from other rival multinationals.

[FletchforFreedom]

The argument is stupid. Not only aren't they "starvation" wages, they are more than would otherwise be available. The process BENEFITS workers around the globe. Socialism increases unemployment and underemployment while REDUCING everyone's standard of living. Brilliant!

[marxistule]

STILL, Bangladeshi workers who toil in Gap factories are WORSE OFF than those left in the countryside. The most dreadful poverty in Bangladesh you will find in industrial areas, and not in the countryside.

[FletchforFreedom]

God, you're a moron. The statement that Standard Oil emerged due to protectionism is factually wrong. The statement that Bangladeshi workers are worse off because of the industrialization is factually wrong. Stiop treating the voices in your head as reliable sources. They are only making you look more idiotic (if that's possible at this point).

[marxistule]

US was HEAVILY PROTECTIONIST at that time.

And please DONT claim that the US robber barons of that age never bribed anyone. They would just laugh at you.

[marxistule]

11.779 trillion$-nice sum! Just enough to BRIBE a lot of American workers. And yet, despite all these bribes, they still have to make layoffs, and unemployment is still rising! What a disgrace to the world these US capitalists are!

[marxistule]

Capitalism is the ACCUMULATION OF WEALTH in private hands, through the exploitation of wage labour. Greedy factory owners (or state appointed directors) GETTING RICH AT THE EXPENSE OF THEIR EMPLOYEES- that is capitalism.

[FletchforFreedom]

All you are doing now is demonstrating stupidity. Under capitalism, workers are able to freely exchnage their labor in the marketplace either directly for themselves or in exchange for a voluntarily agreed upon wage. This makes both the empoyer AND THE EMPLOYEE materially better off (and has raised living standards for the worker exponentially.

[FletchforFreedom]

The labor theory of value has been LOBNG debunked. The idiocy that employees are victims and that "profit is exploitation" is so completely contrary to the real world (particularly when socialism has made the lives of workers universally WORSE OFF), that only the deliberately ignorant fall for such monumental stupidity.

[FletchforFreedom]

And in exactly which incarnation of APPLIED socialism/Marxism/communism has an "elimination of exploitation" ever taken place? We are discussing real world applications, not long debunked theories that are so contrary to basic human nature as to be ridiculous.

[marxistule]

Nazism was a capitalist ideology with a socialist facade. The rhetoric was socialist in some respects, but behind the scene the tycoons got bigger than ever.

[FletchforFreedom]

You seem to get some bizarre pleasure out of demonstrating such an abysmal lack of knowledge about history, current conditions in the US, economics, and, not to put too fine a point on it, basic reality.

Oh, that's right. You're a Marxist. Denying reality is your stock in trade...

[marxistule]

Greed is bad!!!

[marxistule]

Greedy capitalists are worse than pigs!

[TrueCommunist]

You just gave me an idea:

What is the diffrence between capitalist and leech? Leech knows when to stop!

[marxistule]

100% Correct!!!

Greedy capitalists are defintely WORSE than leeches!

[FletchforFreedom]

Well, that is about as close to reasoned argument that Marxists/ciommunists (whose theories have been long debunked and whose practices have been universal failures) ever get.

Bravo!

[iron5stp]

Lumpens are not the driving force of a revolution.

[marxistule]

Lumpens belong to the proletariat- at least most of them do.

[marxistule]

Down with the dark rule of greedy capitalists!

Long live the working class and the socialist revolution!

Long live Marxism- the light of the world!

[EUamerican]

America's poor are the most forgotten poor on the planet. Most responsible governments around the world take care of their poor, or try to do something about poverty in their nations. America willfully and criminally neglects its own poor, especially children.

What makes this utterly criminal and irresponsible is that America is supposedly the "richest nation on Earth."

[dantej32]

The USA has the FATTEST poor people in the world.

[marxistule]

It doesnt look like that.

[dantej32]

Our poor get food stamps. Go to south america where they have to sift through garbage to get something to eat. Many places there are not even garbage to eat. They are lean. In many countries in africa and Asia as well.

[marxistule]

You're lying. In fact, there are poor people in your countries (and in other rich countries as well) who STARVE TO DEATH. Some homeless do receive food, but these are exceptions.

[dantej32]

You are the damn liar! Homeless can go to soup kitchens to eat and get food stamps. I know for a FACT that ALL eligible poor people that apply for food stamps get them. NOBODY starves to death that is not their own fault. The USA has the resources so tht NO ONE starves to death. You know NOTHING of the USA or you would not spew the crap that you do.

[marxistule]

You speak of things that only exist on paper.

[FletchforFreedom]

In fact, starvation has been essentially eradicated in the us (excepting extreme child abuse) and the US has, by far, the wealthiest "poor" in the world. Homelessness is NOT the problem that it is portrayed (and overwhelmingly due to substance abuse). And the video is wrong: not even 30,000 children under age 5 die every YEAR, let alone every day (and those deaths have almost nothing to do with poverty).

[marxistule]

You're an idiot and a shameless LIAR.

According to official figures, there are WEELL OVER 30 MILLION Americans who GO HUNGRY because they CANNOT AFFORD to buy the oh-so-cheap American food.

[FletchforFreedom]

You are an idiot and a shameless LIAR. According to official figures JUST over 30 million Americans RISK "hunger" as defined as a single day during which an individual delays a meal for financial reasons (even if it is due to a temporary cash flow problem). Fewer than 300 people (in in a million) die starve in the US including those cases of child abuse and coma victims taen off feeding tubes.

[marxistule]

YOU are the liar here. What official figures say is that well over 30 million people CANNOT AFFORD TO BUY food. Now, if they cant buy enough food, it's a safe bet that there are at least several hybdreds who cant afford to buy food AT ALL.

Keep in mind that there are in US people who earn WELL BELOW the minimum wage, as well as people with NO INCOME AT ALL. Don't tell me that they don't starve. Sure they starve, some of them TO DEATH.

[FletchforFreedom]

YOU are an idiot. Actually, I took the little time it takes to verify the ACTUAL data before responding and you are completely wrong. The definition of "hunger" used in the statistics is right there at the source and bears no resemblance to what you keep saying. The deaths from starvation below 300 (which also includes anorexics) comes firectly from the CDC. Starvation is NOT a problem in the US. Period.

[FletchforFreedom]

In fact, just over 10 million people (4% of the population) ACTUALLY have to delay as much as a single meal (and this figure is from the recession peroiod and has been in steady decline).

[TrueCommunist]

And let us not speak of the toll of the people that die from cold and various almost eradicated 19ct,20ct diseases (lack of proper homes and medical care)!!!

These fact makes us just happy about the great economic prowess of late capitalism!

[marxistule]

You are right once again. The fact that LEPROSY is still rife in some parts of the United States clearly shows that, despite the ruthless exploitation of the Third World, the US elite STILL can not meet the basic needs of its OWN people! What a shame!

In fact, starvation in the US is even MORE shameful than in a poor country like Bangladesh.

[FletchforFreedom]

It is quite clear that you are completely incapable of doing even the most pasic research and would know an ACTUAL fact if it had its incisors permanently embedded in your gluteal muscles.

But then, you ARE a Marxist, so its hardly a surprise.

[FletchforFreedom]

And let's not talk about hobbits and trolls and orcs, as they don't exist in the real world either. Each year 750,000 people contract Hansen's disease (leprosy). Fewer than 100 cases appear in the US and they are all either people who contracted it during foreign travel or thise who came in immediate contact with that group.

[adamsk8well]

i was wondering what is the name of that song on ur vidio

[Dreamer2TV]

The government's not ignoring the poor in America - They are allowing tens of thousands of 3rd world people to enter the USA each and every day! Shipping them by the cargo-plane load from Somolia (sp) and other such places! Soon, the very poor and starving will be the majority, not the minority.

[VincentInHearts]

The reason why we have so many damn poor people is because of all those damn people be shipped in. Why can't they just go to some other country.

[VampiressKarmina]

This is really good. Someone should make a club like this at our school. We do have LiNK (Liberation in North Korea) which I'm joining but we need more than that. I also like how "Runnin'" fits the subject :)

~Tina