Every business is always seeking new customers. You cannot have a business without customers. this is all out of context and lies! We'll be on the Terry Bradshaw Show next month!
The docket website also provides closed cases. I have cited from credible sources such as, court cases, FTC, and other government web sites, objective experts that have nothing to gain or lose from the MLM’s. FHTM reps are biased and will lie and distract researchers from the truth. Despite overwhelming evidence it is still hard to break through all the propaganda and slogans, but I hope my posts will help inform someone that was looking for accurate info.
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm I provided the facts, but as typical you FHTM reps continue to reject the truth. Again, Montana State Auditor received the lettters from Corp companies and they all denied partnership. You have no ethical values with the lies you speak!
@Scottjj08 Yet those same companies you say have no partnerships with FHTM were at our conventions...some we have direct marketing partnerships with, some are third party.
Changed my mind...you're not qualfied to be a fry boy..
@Scottjj08 You have "connections" and "sources". You figure it out. DishTV, Voice Connect, Envy, Xpress Optical....were all at our convention in 2011. What companies DONT we have a relationship with (direct or indirect)?
Scott, I bet you're a telemarketer or one of those "experts" (ie: a blogger with no income)
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm fry on this......credible source for pending class action lawsuit (dockets dot justia dot com) search company’s name, shows all pending or open cases. Wallace et al v. FHTM et al originally filled in California December 22, 2010 case 3:2010cv02641 - moved to Kentucky on April 12, 2011 case # 5:2011cv00127 Presiding Judge Jennifer B Coffman. My source is more credible than your lies!
@Scottjj08 I checked out the class action lawsuit originally filed in California, Wallace et al v. FHTM, and your right "No" judgment, still pending under case # 5:2011cv00127
People take your time and do your research starting off with BBB, then FTC, State Attorney Generals, and class action suite in California. All of these sources are credible and hold merit. They have in-depth knowledge that qualifies them to present the facts. The facts all have a clear message. You can also view lay person’s testimonies like the ones on this video and other media outlets, they are not experts, but if you see a sign that many people are complaining...Red Flag!
@firebeetle99 I trust the complaints and the Gov. action, that you can't make up! "bully people"? Facts are facts, trust them! You reps are no one to trust, full of misleading info!
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
@Scottjj08 LOL and the BBB, and the media... Your a sheeple... Today in American hosted by Terry Bradshaw partnered with FHTM and a FEDERAL JUDGE dismissed the national lawsuit...People get all salty when they are not successful and can't except that the only one responsible for their failure is them.
@Scottjj08 LOL and the BBB, and the media... Your a sheeple... Today in American hosted by Terry Bradshaw partnered with FHTM and a FEDERAL JUDGE dismissed the national lawsuit...People get all salty when they are not successful and can't except that the only one responsible for their failure is them.
@Scottjj08 and while your at it people, make sure you read the ENTIRE California "lawsuit" these people have been changing site names and post false documents or banking that people won't read everything through. If they aren't careful they are going to get sued for slander.
@bledsify Awesome! I know I seen the video where FHTM said the are debt free. They don't say that anymore! LOL The magazine exposure by USA Today is also hilarious. A lot of misleading information, maybe it's not as bad today, but just reading some of the comments made by some of the newbies, makes you wonder if they will ever learn.
It's all a ruse in meetings to get you to sign up. Spend money on products, enrollment fees, meetings, business cost, etc, etc, Like I said, people can keep their friends and money by picking up a part time job working below minimum wage and you still come out ahead than what one could earn in MLM and spend more quality time with family instead of out there recruiting. Looks like come next month it will be even tougher for anyone to make money!
still way too many red flags! FHTM own income disclosure statement still sets the stage on what people can expect on earnings! A smart investor would look to see if there is truly going to be a return on their money by looking at the IDS. When 96% are losing out, that doesn't sound like a sound investment. Most MLMs are this way. Don't take my word for it, just research any companies IDS and you will see 5% or less ever make money in MLM.
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Just one of the two. There is still the pending class action in California, the individual lawsuit, the FTC investigation and the Attorney General investigation. Lawsuits can go either way, but he cases against FHTM in Montana, North Dakota, Texas cost FHTM millions.
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Not! Don't forget ther other Class action lawsuit in California Wallace et al v. FHTM court case: 5:2011cv00127 Updated: July 5, 2011 06:31:21 Presiding Judge: Jennifer B Coffman The individual lawsuit Suzanne Combs vs FHTM court case: 5:2011cv00314 Updated: December 22, 2011 05:33:41 Presiding Judge – Jennifer B Coffman. Friend I'm afraid there are more hurdles in the way.
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Sorry again to disappoint you, I'm not part of any cases, just a messenger to relay the facts so many reps like yourself fabricate. The case went into arbitration for the plantiffs. We shall see what unfolds next. And no, you do not have partnerships with Corp companies. refer to case Montana cease and desist order March 2010 case SEC-2010-12 exibit B through exhibit E. Ouch!
@Scottjj08 Wrong my special needs blogger. THe Class Action Lawsuits were DISMISSED!! Over...no arbitration.. Dismissed...We do have partnerships, directlly or indirectly with the companies we market for... People order a verizon phone thru our wireless shop they get a verizon phone....dish tv? it's real dish tv...billed by dish tv...Sorry......Now supersize those fries..
Too many reps are bandwagoning on false and misleading info, thinking what they heard must be true and spread the same lies over and over again, kind a like the bogus partnerships, and debt free, just to name a few. Prime example Jonathan Brancati in this video repeating what he thought was true, but was not. No corp legal dept checked FHTM out, no partnerships existed. I would be willing to bet if someone records a MLM meeting today and ships it to the FTC, they will see inconsistencies
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
@Scottjj08 We do have direct or indirect partnerships with our companies Scotty. Sorry you and divabikinis lost your argument. FHTM will continue. Now supersize my BigMac, and THATS A DIET COKE DAMMIT!
Then you can never trust anything an MLM rep has to say. They mislead and desist people in order to persuade people to join. Many leaders use false inference to make potential prospects believe something that is simply not true. It's no secret; most all in FHTM 96% lose. You have a better chance of making real money by working part-time anywhere!
Also, if FHTM is so shady, why did the crew of "Today in America w/Terry Bradshaw" seek out the company to do a segment solely on FHTM that will be airing multiple times this Spring? Anyone can file a lawsuit. ANYONE. And just about EVERY large company has faced lawsuits from Verizon to Walmart to just about everyone you can think of but NO ONE considers them scams. Interesting how businesses that operate differently than the norm are so scrutinized.
@MandMBass As it may be, the unethical values is shown time and time again with a clear message. The complaints keep piling up. Why can't FHTM handle the complaints? Why does it take the FTC, Cease and Desist orders, BBB, Attorney Generals and class action lawsuits to resolve a consumers complaint?
I guess these crack reporters left out the all-important fact that FHTM reps don't get paid a CENT by recruiting but rather ONLY by gathering customers. How does every business out there make money? By gathering customers! Is there a perfect company out there anywhere? Of course not! But this is as legit a company as there's ever been. Don't judge a company by the idiocy of a few ignorant, classless reps. Btw, that lawsuit was just dismissed by a Federal judge yesterday. The good guys win again.
@MandMBass BTW do good guys get on the FTC Operation Empty Promise list? You know the list that the "FTC steps up efforts against scams that target financially-strapped consumers!" (FTC For Release: 03/02/2011)
@Scottjj08@Scottjj08@Scottjj08 The Empty Promise list is based on feedback from these consumers who say it didn't work for them. Unfortunately, these consumers are people who didn't follow the systems in place to become successful. The woman interviewed in this video is COMPLETELY wrong in saying you only make money by recruiting. That's absolutely false. And NO ONE I've met in this business has ever said, "spend a couple hundred bucks, make millions." FHTM has never made such claims.
@MandMBass The class action in California is still pending and so is the individual lawsuit along with the FTC investigation and Attorney General investigation.
FHTM is not the authorized dealer, they are only a 3rd party reseller to an authorized dealer. Don’t worry its coming.........T minus and counting….......tick tock tick tock, time is almost up.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
It's always your choice if you want to be successful or a failure and the road to success is right through the dump and most are afraid to travel through it.
I started thinking about the people that are successful. Because is it true if we always look at the people that fail at anything than we would never try anything? Like school if we see think of all the people that failed in school would that motivate you to go to school? Maybe not! But you only think of people that have their degrees and not the ones that dropped out. That's how I had to start thinking when it came to Network Marjeting. I care about the success stories not the failures!
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
But I understand you Scottjj08 most people do confuse Network Marketing with pyramid schemes it's was all programmed in many people mind's in the 70's I use to be like you thinking it was a scam too but then I started focusing on the success stories instead of the negativity bandwagoon asking myself what if this is real. What convinced me is that my friend from 5 years ago freaken lazy bum living with his gf parents. I watched him work hard and become very successful and seen others quit.
@larry2299 FHTM income disclosure statement sheds a more truthful light on the success people are having. It's pitiful for the almost everyone! So what are you in FHTM a regional, a manager?
@larry2299 Facts outweight the propaganda stories. The FTC investigation called Operation Empty Promises is fact! The North Carolina and Kentucky Attorney General Investigation is fact! The companies own income disclosure statement is without a doubt a pitiful fact! The two pending class action lawsuits are facts! The BBB number of complaints nad Government action is fact! I now these facts sound negative, but it's factual unbiased information from credible sources.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
@Scottjj08 where is your creditable source? Oh that's right... The BBB that gives people F ratings for not paying them... Don't believe me? 60 minutes did a special on it...youtube it...
@firebeetle99 face it facts are facts and reliable credible information. Who cares the rating is, Did you comprehend what I said? The complaints and the Gov. actions are real!
@firebeetle99 Comprehend Attornery General North Carolina investigation, the BBB complaints and Gov. Actions, The 2 pending lawsuits, which one is class action, comprehend the FTC Operation Empty Promises. It's all unbiased credible information received from too many misled consumers. D&B report, what do you have that can prove otherwise? Your word? What a upline leader told you?
@Scottjj08 where is your creditable source? Oh that's right... The BBB that gives people F ratings for not paying them... Don't believe me? 60 minutes did a special on it...youtube it...
people that buy lottery tickets and then you will understand why most fail in Network Marketing. You can't start a business and expect to make a profit in three day's! Ask any business owner and they will tell you it took about 5 years to make a profit after they invested $400,000 to start a business. And to start a business that cost $299 that's a joke! $299 for a business? Omg I Love Network MArketing!
You can't crys about not making money if you have a business and you don't go out and work for it. Too many people believe they can get wealthy for doing nothing. That's why so many people in America rush to the store to pick up a lottery ticket when the jack pot amount is showed on the news. People want a quick buck for nothing without putting in the work and if you go start a business with that kind of thinking you right most people will fail. Go to a corner store and count the number of ...
If you ever studied you know that cases pending means that the prosecution is looking for real evidence.All that is going on is that people are crying about having to pay money to start a business and crying about not making money.If you start a business and never open the doors or promote your business.Any business minded person will know they won't make any money.A Lawyer would jump on any case.Hell a lawer defended a man against a couple he kidnapped for not helping him evade police.
@ Scottjj08 so by telling us the cases are pending you just prove that these cases are not going no where in court and that they are soon to be dismissed because the prosecution don't have crap to go one!
@larry2299 I'm not proving anything; the cases are still pending a hearing by each judge listed on the cases. Why put a spin on the facts? When has there been a class action lawsuit case closed in a year or less? Most sensible, ethical people know class action lawsuits can take years to be settled. And yes people contact the FTC and Attorney Generals they are credible sources and will give you knowledgeable information about their investigation on FHTM.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
@Scottjj08 so that you know. When a case is pending that means the prosecution has no real evidence meaning that the prosecution can't prove that it's a scam. It's like people blaming McDonalds for making the eat their burgers everyday and getting fat!
WCNC in Charlotte, NC reported May 26 & July 15, 2010 on a few high profile people in FHTM Barbara McKay and Donna Lewis. Are they still in FHTM? Just curious? I know WCNC debunked other high profile people invovlement in FHTM "former Charlotte Mayor Pat McCrory, who said he'd "never heard of it. I have absolutely no connection." Also listed but denying involvement in FHTM -- NASCAR legend Geoff Bodine, who said, "I'm not involved. Someone signed me up. They're trying to use my name."" ??
I will tell you the biggest scam. The biggest scam is when you let people talk you out of an opportunity than can make you a lot of money in the long run. Most people fail to notice that toxic dream stealers are often dress in sheep clothing and pretending they are doing you a favor but the truth is they are wolves in sheep clothing going around the world talking people out of everything that they can.
@Scottjj08 Keep your OWS give me free money without working for it or it's a scam or greed thinking going and you guys will spend your life time accomplishing nothing.
@larry2299 You are one to speak given the position you are in. It’s a mere fact most reps in FHTM are losing money! I don’t have to be involved to know this, its public information. 28.15% made nothing in a given year! Three different sources came to the same conclusion that when you include the 28.15% with the lower two levels, you have 96% making on average $115 per month. Now figure in the costs to enroll, monthly product purchases, and the cost of running a business. Many are going broke.
You people are like the OWS always want to play the victim role but don't want to go out to do what it takes to make money. If you guys want to call companies like Mary Kay, Avon, Tupperware and every other Network MArketing company a scam then you guys might as well keep on trying. Network Marketing been around for 100 years and when people like you guys take them to court you guys always lose. It's like at some point you guys have to open your mind and understand that this is a real business
@larry2299 "when people like you guys take them to court you guys always lose." Please name a case where people lose in court with FHTM? The cases I show are still pending, which are two class action lawsuits one filed in California on December 22, 2010 and one filed in Kentucky on September 2, 2010 . Then an individual lawsuit made by Suzanne Combs originally filed in Texas June 16, 2011 then moved to Kentucky on September 29, 2011
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Nice try! refer to the Montana C&D 2010, If she was invovled into something else, she was doing both. Her rep website was active until 2010. Give specifices!
Anyone checking fhtmscamnews should review the bottom of the page which says.....(The views expressed are not those of this website. This site is an aggregation of news stories compiled from major media sources including print, television and US Court files. It DOES NOT contain any self published content or commentary.) So really it's not biased, it's just factual information relayed for due-diligence....how you interpret it is entirely up to the reader.
Might be a good time to refresh the North Carolina ongoing A.G. investigation.... Here it is: N.C. Attorney General spokeswoman Noelle Talley said investigators are asking that anyone who has dealt with Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing to file a consumer complaint, either by calling 1-877-5-NO-SCAM or by filling out the complaint form at......ncdoj gov The investigation has been going on for over a year an just recently they invovled the FTC hence Operation Empty Promises.
By the way. Instead of listening to the fools talk about FTC calling these companies a scam why not call them yourself to ask the full details instead of listening to some trolls on youtube.
All I have to say is. Good luck to you guys. Hey if all you can do is talk people out of making great money and people are foolish enough to listen than you guys goals are following through. but all I have to say is that life must suck for you!
I went to see this meeting last week. A friend of mine was excited to share with me something he got invovled with. He didn't want to say what it was. I was wary of why he couldn't explain it, now I know why. When reps like Jonathan Brancati is caught lying to reporters on national tv it reminds me all to well why it's a pyramid schemes. The video exposes how many American companies have written to regulators to make clear they do not have a partnership or any direct relationship with FHTM.
You know for the past 10years this company made claims in presentations that they were debt free. There is a site, fhtmscamnews, that has the proof revealing they was not debt free at all. How about reps desperately trying to deceive potential recruits by saying FHTM has the highest rating with D&B (3A1 rating) and is growing faster than Microsoft. Again facts prove it to be all lies. Why did such a prominent leader, like Jim and Betty leave FHTM? Didn't Donna Lewis leave also?
@bwells40 The fhtmscamnews proof isn't proof at all. Jim and Betty have been in 6 MLM's since they left FHTM....would you like to know why they "left?"
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Tells us why Jim and Betty left! After all these are two people that you would find many reps spout off as notable people. Not that it matters, but I'm sure many would like to know why they left. It appears it happened shortly after Montana C&D. fhtmscamnews is biased, but it presents vetted reviewed sources. I trust links on that site which leads you to the FTC, Operation Emtpy Promises, N.C. Attorney General, lawyers, Texas A.G., the recent news on Herbalife & DSA.
@bwells40 Betty Miles left in late 2007 LONG BEFORE any of this started.
fhtmscamnews and fhtmclassaction.in has mostly innacurate or fake news reports.
sure fhtm made mistakes, but theyve been corrected. i am more confident for our future than I am about any of these "experts" who claim FHTM's demise.
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Where do you get your facts that Betty and Jim (form Sec. of State) left FHTM in 2007? "LONG BEFORE any of this started." I can point out several sources that beg to differ.
@bwells40 don't mind him, he lied about FTC and class action lawsuits. He has nothing of value or credible to say. What kind of rep throws a tantrum calling people stupid? It may seem common, but it just shows the ethics of their nature. He is trying to make faulty logic with earnings report to a income disclosure statement where FHTM clearly indicates 28.15% earn nothing.
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm "28.15% earn nothing because they do nothing," doubtful, if so, I'm sure all those reps achieved the required 3 customer points to "at the least" generate the recruiting check. At that time, that is all it took to get paid on up the pyramid, then move on to new blood.
I just watched a video on youtube on Allconnect Inc.. The CEO, Mark Miller & KY Governor was speaking about the grand opening of the new call center. This is the same facility that handles calls for Dish Network customers, AT&T, DirectTV, TWC and Verizon customers. They mention nothing about FHTM. This building is no where close to FHTM suite headquarters. So why didn't Dish build a call center next to FHTM? Is this not exclusive to FHTM? Nope! Its has nothing to do with FHTM.
@Scottjj08 I was also told about how Dish Network built a call center next to FHTM to handle the calls. That is amazing how that is not true and that Allconnect Inc. built a call center miles away in Lexington. Why be misleading and distort the facts? I'm making sure to spread the word to my friends and family to keep away from this scheme.
@Scottjj08 thx! I was reading your other post on how it wasn't Dish Network that build a call center in Lexington but a company called Allconnect and that it wasn't for FHTM customers, it was for Dish, Verizon, AT&T, etc customers. That was interesting.
@bwells40 Anytime...... the Alloconnect even has videos on youtube celebrating the grand opening of the new call center to handle the calls for Dish, AT&T and so on.
FHTM has no high-margin products to benefit an adequate residual income. many companies pay up to 45% commissions, while FHTM pays .50% to 1%. Sure it makes since to be your own customer, but isn't MLM about selling? If all you do is garage qualify yourself, then how are you following the FTC guideline on customer acquisitions. How are you growing a real business? Recruiting? Afterall you only have to have so many customer points then your done with customers. That isn't real business.
What do successful people and unsuccessful people have in common? They both hate to do what it takes to be successful. Successful people just do them anyway. --Darren Hardy
@larry2299 Why is that most all the IDS you look at for an MLM company only 1-5% are making money, while 95% of those are going broke? Why would companies like FHTM not include the numbers where reps earned nothing into the configuration of earnings? As bad as they are, it just doesn't make sense? Anyone can make heads from tails looking at an IDS, and know working part-time earning below minimum wage you will make more. You spend more time recruiting, so why not save time working partime?
@Scottjj08 Because all MLM's use active reps. So does McDonalds when they report on revenue and earnings...they dont report on closed locations do they?
"Spend a few hundred bucks make millions well that's the sell pitch" Funny how lottery does this but people don't call lottery a scam but when it comes to working hards to have a chance to make lots of money all of a sudden it's a scam? We live in America and as I see it most people want hand outs and don't want to work. Most Americans think gambling for a chance to earn millions is fine but when you have to work hard selling products then they lable it a scam. Funny how people mindset is.
@larry2299 I think MLM reps are too lazy to bother trying to make an honest living doing an honest day’s labor. Why can’t you stay on the topic of FHTM? Is it because you recognize the clear signs and can only try to defend it by changing the subject? Why is that FHTM hides the 30% that made nothing and the months reps earned nothing fomr their IDS?
@larry2299 What is funny is how reps think they own a business & claim to know how businesses operates just because they paid a small investment. They use the same propaganda B.S. when they spew disinformation and for that reason they present no ethical value in what they propagate. They make unfounded claims from what they were told. It might have sounded good at a meeting or training, but the reality is these people are susceptible and vulnerable to the first thing that sounds good to them.
@divabikinis Don't it make since to be your own customer? First of all you save money second of all why should you give business to your compitition? It's like owning a car dealership and going across the steet to by a car from your competitor. Why not use ride in the cars from your own dealership? So don't you think most business owners use their own products? I'm sure they do!
@divabikinis I'm galde you mentioned affliate marketing! What most people don't know is the same products FHTM offers you can sell the stuff at no cost through affiliated markting program, like Ocenture, Simplexity Protection for Living, Digital Landing, just to name a few. You see Ocenture offers a pre-package program that anyone can do, just like FHTM. They offer Road Side assistance, IT Please, FunVantage, Identashield, Health Plan. You can make more on sales as well.
I still can't get over a comment made about how reps think Dish built a headquarters by FHTM to handle the flood of calls, when in fact Dish spent nearly $7 million to open a 32,000-square-foot in-bound sales and customer support center on the Coldstream Research Campus in northern part of Lexington, that handles calls for AT&T, Dish Network, DirecTV, TWC and Verizon. Allconnect Inc is building the call center 15 mins North from FHTM HQ. Research and the truth is revealed.
@larry2299 And the customer issue is what sparked Belgium to label Herbalife a pyramid scheme. The same fate can hold true for many MLMs in America if regulators and courts learn from this, which seems that is the direction the FTC is heading. If you are the customer, which we know from the Montana C&D order, then what are you really doing, recruiting. Then when that reps leaves, so does that customer. Corp America is not so bad after all! In fact I know I''l get paid, I know I
@larry2299 won't have to swindle friends and family. I know I'll have benefits and a retirement. I know I'll have co-works who enjoy what they are doing. I know I'll spend more time with my family. I know I have earned it ethically! I know I won't have to defend who I work for every time someone wants to research. I know my friends and family won't try to dodge me.
Avoid the facts? How many people don't make it to the NBA? Is the NBA a scam? how about college? During the freshman year class rooms are packed but how many finish college and graduate with degree? So college is a scam too?
@larry2299 Avoiding the facts by redirecting the issue with a far fetched comparison. How come FHTM doesn't include the 30% in their IDS and the months reps earned nothing? Even though the number are still bad as they are, just imagine if those numbers were included. Why is that FHTM is the only MLM on the FTC list called Operation Empty Promises? Why has there been so many complaints in the past two years? Why is FHTM using the same lawyers that run ACNs legal dept?
But it's like this most people hate how corprate CEO and company owners miss treat employees by giving them lower pay and shipping jobs over seas. But when solution comes out to help people make CEO kind of money than it's a scam? And you want to shut it down after people work their buts off to be free from corprate greed. Call me crazy but it's like having the cure for aids (Corprate America) and people voting against the cure.
@larry2299 Wow you have really been made to think Corp America is bad, even though you represent them when trying to sell their services or products. If is more rare today for companies to miss treat employees. Many companies are hiring and there are not enough educated people in America to fill them so they have to bring in people from other countries. You really have no clue of the business world today, your mentality in the 1990s and for a good reason. Most the leaders in FHTM
@larry2299 started out around that time so they was spewing their B.S. then. They haven't learned anything new to say so all the newbies are getting fed nonsense. Look at your business model...true pyramid in design. You will never pass any of the leaders at top. You have a Corp business owner who can suddenly can you or change the comp plan to make you earn less. They have already been forced to make changes after Montana, N.D. and now Texas.
Consumers need to be made aware of peoples ignorance and fallacy. Just because you paid to be a sales rep doesn't mean you are business smart. Know the facts! Research credible sources like BBB, FTC, State Attorney Generals, and class action lawyers. All of these sources are credible and experts that qualifies them to present the facts. Don't fall for the brainwashed scare tactics or babble examples. It expresses the unethical behavior reps convey.
In Network MArketing basically what you are doing is selling franchises like selling a McDonalds stores and the products you sell like the hamburgers. You will get a small piece of that sell. Network Marketing is an awesome concept if you look at it with an open mind and see it was created out of need because corprate companies don't pay fairly.
MLLM's are NOT like buying a "franchise" or they would be subjected to the FTC rules on "business opportunities" and you actually would OWN something. You are very miss-informed.
Network MArketing is for those that hate Corprate jobs and the greed because. Remember all the company bail outs? And after the bail outs companies gave many CEO and top managers millions in bonuses and employees got the same pay? Well Netork Marketing is the answer to many of those that are tired of working hard at a job while there CEO's giving themselves big bonuses for doing nothing.
@larry2299 You are comparing bail out companies to a thousands of Corp America business. You make a claim for all for the few. Your fallacy has no substance.
@larry2299 MLM is another form of a barely legal ponzi/pyrmaid scheme. Most fail! Most will lose money! The statics are put out by the companies themselves. Look up the Income Disclosure Statements for most MLM companies. I believe a blogger on scam dot com had a good one put together. When I looked at them, they where a lot like FHTM's where 95% are going broke while maybe one percent make all the money. Why do you keep avoiding the facts? I present them, I don't make this up.
Network Marketing was put together to counter Corprate because the founders of Amway seen that the employees where not able to move up the corprate pyramid(i.e job) because the management kept most of the money. Network Marketing is a level playing field for those that want to make CEO kind of income. Not for one person but all have a chance. And yes people do quite in Network Marketing. Tell me anything people don't quite in! but there are people that started dirt poor and are doing very well.
@larry2299 The corp America comparison is a fallacy taught many brainwashing cult leaders. There is a clear distinction between Corporations and MLM. In a normal company, all employees make money, some more, some less. But they all make money. And the people at the bottom aren’t paying the people at the top. Everyone works, and everyone gets paid based on the “value” of the job which both the employer and employee agree to in the form of wages and benefits.
@larry2299 . In a multi-level marketing structure, most of the people do not make any money. They are not getting paid for their efforts. They are “paying to play.” There are a handful of highly compensated people at the top making huge money, a slightly larger handful of people who are making a living wage, a much larger handful who are not making enough to survive on much less provide even a respectable part-time income, and the vast majority are losing money.
But oh wait, people also spend thousands of dollars to go to college basically paying for a job by getting a degree. And after spending all that money on school all they give you is a receipt. That's all what a college degree is, it's a reciept and then you are not even sure if you will get a job after paying for college. Once you get a job you work in the Corprate pyramid where the CEO makes all the money you bring into the company.
Oh well, it's your life bro. Live your life as you want it. But it's funny how you can't see the bigger scam is Corprate America where the CEO makes all the money at the top where as the employees at the bottom get the change. Draw out your company structure and lets see if you make more money that the CEO that is at the top with the managers in the middle. Draw it out and you will see a job is in the shape of a Pyramid.
People take your time to do your research starting off with BBB, then Federal Trade Commissions, State Attorney Generals, and class action lawyers. All of these sources are credible and hold merit. They have in-depth knowledge that qualifies them to present the facts. The facts all have a clear message. You can also view lay persons testimonies on videos like this and other media outlets, they are not experts, but if you see a sign that many people are complaining...well then Red Flag!
@Scottjj08 "People take your time to do your research starting off with BBB, then Federal Trade Commissions, State Attorney Generals, and class action lawyers. All of these sources are credible and hold merit. They have in-depth knowledge that qualifies them to present the facts. The facts all have a clear message. You can also view lay persons testimonies on vids like this and other media outlets, they are not experts, but if you see a sign that many people are complaining" Thanks!
I learned one thing while dealing with people. People always look for the negitive side of things and always look for reason to talk themselves out of doing something that could benefit them. I hear this saying from a wealthy man "If you buy into broke people advice you will have a broke persons lifestyle" Anyone reading this, you don't have to do Network Marketing. But ask yourself. Are you rich yet? And if not? ask why...
@larry2299 I'm sorry if facts that expose the company may sound negative, but facts are facts and they come from credible reliable sources that with years of experience. They know what their talking about. Look up the Operation Empty Promises by the FTC and the two pending class action lawsuits, the individual lawsuit and the North Carolina A.G. and media. Again all reliable and credible sources that expose how bad it is.
@larry2299 The BBB also gives the company a D+ and flashes an alert on their reliability report which points the recent settlement with Texas A.G. investigation on allegations that FHTM was operating like a pyramid scheme. FHTM was forced to settle for 1.5 million. BBB, FTC, State Attorney Generals, and class action lawyers are all credible sources that have in-depth knowledge that qualifies them on the facts they provide. Too many red flags!
to buy a $299 business it's a scam? okay lets see lottery tickets compare to Network Marketing. I will pick Network Marketing all day long! And no I will not tell you the company I work with! Anyone that listens to you deserves to be broke!
Scottjj08 So when a person work to become successful making lots of money it's a scam? but playing the lottery is not? The same people that call Network Marketing a scam are the same people that are more than happy to spend all their money to play lottery tickets. There are people that come to my friend store that buys $50 or more in lottery tickets wasting there money but many people say that's okay. The more you play the better chance to win. But if you spend that same mney to buy a business.
@larry2299 Larry it’s obvious you are with FHTM and have been diluted to the mlm cult mentality. You make no sense to reality. All one has to do is look at FHTM income disclosure statement and see that if someone working a part time job earning below minimum wage, they will still make more than 95% of those in FHTM. Notice when you look at the IDS FHTM does not include the 30% than earned nothing and the months reps earned nothing. Why? Dishonest?
@larry2299 Show us that people are making money! FHTM IDS shows only half of one percent are making the money and most of those reps came from another company or got in at the beginning. The pyramid is already established, you will only make those at the top that much richer. Someone going to college for four years can do better than these folks. Heck I just seen a kid out of high school go to North Dakota to work the oil boom going on up there and in two years he is making 150,000 a year.
Now N.C. attorney general has an ongoing investigation after receiving over 25 complaints. Why are so many people complaining? They can't all be wrong? People can't help it if they was mislead thinking it was something that it's not and when they go state their complaint to an A.G. or the BBB then reps like Larry says "People are lazy wanting something for nothing." BBB received around 25 complaints this past year, N.C. over 25, Texas, received lots. FHTM had to pay 1mill to Texas A.G.
Same as ACN.
liliodine 1 week ago 2
This has been flagged as spam show
Every business is always seeking new customers. You cannot have a business without customers. this is all out of context and lies! We'll be on the Terry Bradshaw Show next month!
liagarden 1 week ago
The docket website also provides closed cases. I have cited from credible sources such as, court cases, FTC, and other government web sites, objective experts that have nothing to gain or lose from the MLM’s. FHTM reps are biased and will lie and distract researchers from the truth. Despite overwhelming evidence it is still hard to break through all the propaganda and slogans, but I hope my posts will help inform someone that was looking for accurate info.
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 18
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 The phrase accurate info will never be associated with you scottj08.
jerrymarcellorilteam 5 days ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Class Action lawsuits are over...sorry ScottJ08. GET BACK ON THE FRIES MACHINE NOW DAMMIT!
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 2 weeks ago
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Hey snark, you lie so much that you don't even know your lying.
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 No lies mouthbreeder. Class Action lawsuit dismissed.
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 2 weeks ago
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm I provided the facts, but as typical you FHTM reps continue to reject the truth. Again, Montana State Auditor received the lettters from Corp companies and they all denied partnership. You have no ethical values with the lies you speak!
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 7
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 Yet those same companies you say have no partnerships with FHTM were at our conventions...some we have direct marketing partnerships with, some are third party.
Changed my mind...you're not qualfied to be a fry boy..
Whitney Houstons dead...you're alive Damn.
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 2 weeks ago
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Point them out! Back up your claims!
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 Today in America Hosted by Terry Bradshaw PARTNERED with FHTM ..... Google it...
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 You have "connections" and "sources". You figure it out. DishTV, Voice Connect, Envy, Xpress Optical....were all at our convention in 2011. What companies DONT we have a relationship with (direct or indirect)?
Scott, I bet you're a telemarketer or one of those "experts" (ie: a blogger with no income)
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 1 week ago
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm fry on this......credible source for pending class action lawsuit (dockets dot justia dot com) search company’s name, shows all pending or open cases. Wallace et al v. FHTM et al originally filled in California December 22, 2010 case 3:2010cv02641 - moved to Kentucky on April 12, 2011 case # 5:2011cv00127 Presiding Judge Jennifer B Coffman. My source is more credible than your lies!
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 11
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 LOL What part of FEDERAL JUDGE DISMISSED do you not understand...
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
Comment removed
divabikinis 2 weeks ago
@Scottjj08 I checked out the class action lawsuit originally filed in California, Wallace et al v. FHTM, and your right "No" judgment, still pending under case # 5:2011cv00127
bledsify 4 days ago 8
People take your time and do your research starting off with BBB, then FTC, State Attorney Generals, and class action suite in California. All of these sources are credible and hold merit. They have in-depth knowledge that qualifies them to present the facts. The facts all have a clear message. You can also view lay person’s testimonies like the ones on this video and other media outlets, they are not experts, but if you see a sign that many people are complaining...Red Flag!
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 4
@Scottjj08 So you are saying people should trust the BBB that bully people into PAYING for ratings...
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
@firebeetle99 I trust the complaints and the Gov. action, that you can't make up! "bully people"? Facts are facts, trust them! You reps are no one to trust, full of misleading info!
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
@Scottjj08 LOL and the BBB, and the media... Your a sheeple... Today in American hosted by Terry Bradshaw partnered with FHTM and a FEDERAL JUDGE dismissed the national lawsuit...People get all salty when they are not successful and can't except that the only one responsible for their failure is them.
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
@Scottjj08 LOL and the BBB, and the media... Your a sheeple... Today in American hosted by Terry Bradshaw partnered with FHTM and a FEDERAL JUDGE dismissed the national lawsuit...People get all salty when they are not successful and can't except that the only one responsible for their failure is them.
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 and while your at it people, make sure you read the ENTIRE California "lawsuit" these people have been changing site names and post false documents or banking that people won't read everything through. If they aren't careful they are going to get sued for slander.
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 Good advice!
I'm going to share this again.....
Debt Free - A big fat lie!
Partnerships - HAHA thanks to Montana another big fat lie!
Income claims - thanks to FHTM's IDS, only a fraction of 1% are making money!
D&B 3A1 rating - Nope!
Cover of unheard Magazines - paid for advertising - Thanks USA Today
Oprah - never happened!
Terry Bradshaw spot will be aired 19 times between now and Christmas. Never happened!
bledsify 2 weeks ago 8
@bledsify Awesome! I know I seen the video where FHTM said the are debt free. They don't say that anymore! LOL The magazine exposure by USA Today is also hilarious. A lot of misleading information, maybe it's not as bad today, but just reading some of the comments made by some of the newbies, makes you wonder if they will ever learn.
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 8
This has been flagged as spam show
Today in America Hosted by Terry Bradshaw partners with FHTM
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
FHTM Victory in Federal Court - Federal Judge Dismisses Nationwide Lawsuit
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
It's all a ruse in meetings to get you to sign up. Spend money on products, enrollment fees, meetings, business cost, etc, etc, Like I said, people can keep their friends and money by picking up a part time job working below minimum wage and you still come out ahead than what one could earn in MLM and spend more quality time with family instead of out there recruiting. Looks like come next month it will be even tougher for anyone to make money!
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 4
still way too many red flags! FHTM own income disclosure statement still sets the stage on what people can expect on earnings! A smart investor would look to see if there is truly going to be a return on their money by looking at the IDS. When 96% are losing out, that doesn't sound like a sound investment. Most MLMs are this way. Don't take my word for it, just research any companies IDS and you will see 5% or less ever make money in MLM.
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 6
This comment has received too many negative votes show
FHTM Class Action Lawsuit was dismissed yesterday. Sorry people, but FHTM won.
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 2 weeks ago
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Just one of the two. There is still the pending class action in California, the individual lawsuit, the FTC investigation and the Attorney General investigation. Lawsuits can go either way, but he cases against FHTM in Montana, North Dakota, Texas cost FHTM millions.
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
@Scottjj08 WRONG ANSWER MCFLY! It's over.....FHTM wins. YOU lose
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 2 weeks ago
Comment removed
divabikinis 2 weeks ago 7
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Not! Don't forget ther other Class action lawsuit in California Wallace et al v. FHTM court case: 5:2011cv00127 Updated: July 5, 2011 06:31:21 Presiding Judge: Jennifer B Coffman The individual lawsuit Suzanne Combs vs FHTM court case: 5:2011cv00314 Updated: December 22, 2011 05:33:41 Presiding Judge – Jennifer B Coffman. Friend I'm afraid there are more hurdles in the way.
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 11
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 FHTM Victory in Federal Court - Federal Judge Dismisses Nationwide Lawsuit
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Sorry again to disappoint you, I'm not part of any cases, just a messenger to relay the facts so many reps like yourself fabricate. The case went into arbitration for the plantiffs. We shall see what unfolds next. And no, you do not have partnerships with Corp companies. refer to case Montana cease and desist order March 2010 case SEC-2010-12 exibit B through exhibit E. Ouch!
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 11
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 Today in America Hosted by Terry Bradshaw partners with FHTM
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 Wrong my special needs blogger. THe Class Action Lawsuits were DISMISSED!! Over...no arbitration.. Dismissed...We do have partnerships, directlly or indirectly with the companies we market for... People order a verizon phone thru our wireless shop they get a verizon phone....dish tv? it's real dish tv...billed by dish tv...Sorry......Now supersize those fries..
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 2 weeks ago
Too many reps are bandwagoning on false and misleading info, thinking what they heard must be true and spread the same lies over and over again, kind a like the bogus partnerships, and debt free, just to name a few. Prime example Jonathan Brancati in this video repeating what he thought was true, but was not. No corp legal dept checked FHTM out, no partnerships existed. I would be willing to bet if someone records a MLM meeting today and ships it to the FTC, they will see inconsistencies
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 6
This comment has received too many negative votes show
@Scottjj08 We do have direct or indirect partnerships with our companies Scotty. Sorry you and divabikinis lost your argument. FHTM will continue. Now supersize my BigMac, and THATS A DIET COKE DAMMIT!
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 2 weeks ago
Then you can never trust anything an MLM rep has to say. They mislead and desist people in order to persuade people to join. Many leaders use false inference to make potential prospects believe something that is simply not true. It's no secret; most all in FHTM 96% lose. You have a better chance of making real money by working part-time anywhere!
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 3
Comment removed
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 3
Also, if FHTM is so shady, why did the crew of "Today in America w/Terry Bradshaw" seek out the company to do a segment solely on FHTM that will be airing multiple times this Spring? Anyone can file a lawsuit. ANYONE. And just about EVERY large company has faced lawsuits from Verizon to Walmart to just about everyone you can think of but NO ONE considers them scams. Interesting how businesses that operate differently than the norm are so scrutinized.
MandMBass 2 weeks ago
@MandMBass As it may be, the unethical values is shown time and time again with a clear message. The complaints keep piling up. Why can't FHTM handle the complaints? Why does it take the FTC, Cease and Desist orders, BBB, Attorney Generals and class action lawsuits to resolve a consumers complaint?
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 3
This has been flagged as spam show
I guess these crack reporters left out the all-important fact that FHTM reps don't get paid a CENT by recruiting but rather ONLY by gathering customers. How does every business out there make money? By gathering customers! Is there a perfect company out there anywhere? Of course not! But this is as legit a company as there's ever been. Don't judge a company by the idiocy of a few ignorant, classless reps. Btw, that lawsuit was just dismissed by a Federal judge yesterday. The good guys win again.
MandMBass 2 weeks ago
Comment removed
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago
@MandMBass BTW do good guys get on the FTC Operation Empty Promise list? You know the list that the "FTC steps up efforts against scams that target financially-strapped consumers!" (FTC For Release: 03/02/2011)
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 2
@Scottjj08 @Scottjj08 @Scottjj08 The Empty Promise list is based on feedback from these consumers who say it didn't work for them. Unfortunately, these consumers are people who didn't follow the systems in place to become successful. The woman interviewed in this video is COMPLETELY wrong in saying you only make money by recruiting. That's absolutely false. And NO ONE I've met in this business has ever said, "spend a couple hundred bucks, make millions." FHTM has never made such claims.
MandMBass 2 weeks ago
@MandMBass The class action in California is still pending and so is the individual lawsuit along with the FTC investigation and Attorney General investigation.
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 2
@Scottjj08 Actually, you can read the official release I was referring to at FHTM's corporate site (fhtm.net) under the "About FHTM" tab, "Newsroom."
MandMBass 2 weeks ago
FHTM is not the authorized dealer, they are only a 3rd party reseller to an authorized dealer. Don’t worry its coming.........T minus and counting….......tick tock tick tock, time is almost up.
bledsify 3 weeks ago 41
This has been flagged as spam show
@bledsify Yeah, you keep thinking that. Class Action dismissed. See ya. Say Hi to DivaBikinis for me.
jerrymarcellorilteam 5 days ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
It's always your choice if you want to be successful or a failure and the road to success is right through the dump and most are afraid to travel through it.
larry2299 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I started thinking about the people that are successful. Because is it true if we always look at the people that fail at anything than we would never try anything? Like school if we see think of all the people that failed in school would that motivate you to go to school? Maybe not! But you only think of people that have their degrees and not the ones that dropped out. That's how I had to start thinking when it came to Network Marjeting. I care about the success stories not the failures!
larry2299 3 weeks ago
Comment removed
larry2299 3 weeks ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
But I understand you Scottjj08 most people do confuse Network Marketing with pyramid schemes it's was all programmed in many people mind's in the 70's I use to be like you thinking it was a scam too but then I started focusing on the success stories instead of the negativity bandwagoon asking myself what if this is real. What convinced me is that my friend from 5 years ago freaken lazy bum living with his gf parents. I watched him work hard and become very successful and seen others quit.
larry2299 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@larry2299 FHTM income disclosure statement sheds a more truthful light on the success people are having. It's pitiful for the almost everyone! So what are you in FHTM a regional, a manager?
Scottjj08 3 weeks ago
@larry2299 Facts outweight the propaganda stories. The FTC investigation called Operation Empty Promises is fact! The North Carolina and Kentucky Attorney General Investigation is fact! The companies own income disclosure statement is without a doubt a pitiful fact! The two pending class action lawsuits are facts! The BBB number of complaints nad Government action is fact! I now these facts sound negative, but it's factual unbiased information from credible sources.
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 13
This comment has received too many negative votes show
@Scottjj08 where is your creditable source? Oh that's right... The BBB that gives people F ratings for not paying them... Don't believe me? 60 minutes did a special on it...youtube it...
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
@firebeetle99 face it facts are facts and reliable credible information. Who cares the rating is, Did you comprehend what I said? The complaints and the Gov. actions are real!
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 4
@Scottjj08 I comprehend that you think a FEDERAL JUDGE is not part of the government...
You still have not said WHERE your CREDIBLE information comes from...
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
@firebeetle99 What a dope!
Tammyflavor 2 weeks ago
@firebeetle99 Comprehend Attornery General North Carolina investigation, the BBB complaints and Gov. Actions, The 2 pending lawsuits, which one is class action, comprehend the FTC Operation Empty Promises. It's all unbiased credible information received from too many misled consumers. D&B report, what do you have that can prove otherwise? Your word? What a upline leader told you?
Scottjj08 2 weeks ago 6
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 where is your creditable source? Oh that's right... The BBB that gives people F ratings for not paying them... Don't believe me? 60 minutes did a special on it...youtube it...
firebeetle99 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
people that buy lottery tickets and then you will understand why most fail in Network Marketing. You can't start a business and expect to make a profit in three day's! Ask any business owner and they will tell you it took about 5 years to make a profit after they invested $400,000 to start a business. And to start a business that cost $299 that's a joke! $299 for a business? Omg I Love Network MArketing!
larry2299 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
You can't crys about not making money if you have a business and you don't go out and work for it. Too many people believe they can get wealthy for doing nothing. That's why so many people in America rush to the store to pick up a lottery ticket when the jack pot amount is showed on the news. People want a quick buck for nothing without putting in the work and if you go start a business with that kind of thinking you right most people will fail. Go to a corner store and count the number of ...
larry2299 3 weeks ago
Comment removed
larry2299 3 weeks ago
Comment removed
larry2299 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
If you ever studied you know that cases pending means that the prosecution is looking for real evidence.All that is going on is that people are crying about having to pay money to start a business and crying about not making money.If you start a business and never open the doors or promote your business.Any business minded person will know they won't make any money.A Lawyer would jump on any case.Hell a lawer defended a man against a couple he kidnapped for not helping him evade police.
larry2299 3 weeks ago
Comment removed
larry2299 3 weeks ago
@ Scottjj08 so by telling us the cases are pending you just prove that these cases are not going no where in court and that they are soon to be dismissed because the prosecution don't have crap to go one!
larry2299 3 weeks ago
@larry2299 I'm not proving anything; the cases are still pending a hearing by each judge listed on the cases. Why put a spin on the facts? When has there been a class action lawsuit case closed in a year or less? Most sensible, ethical people know class action lawsuits can take years to be settled. And yes people contact the FTC and Attorney Generals they are credible sources and will give you knowledgeable information about their investigation on FHTM.
Scottjj08 3 weeks ago 8
People use your brain. Contact FTC or an Atternry general department if you want true un bias facts!
larry2299 3 weeks ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
@Scottjj08 so that you know. When a case is pending that means the prosecution has no real evidence meaning that the prosecution can't prove that it's a scam. It's like people blaming McDonalds for making the eat their burgers everyday and getting fat!
larry2299 3 weeks ago
WCNC in Charlotte, NC reported May 26 & July 15, 2010 on a few high profile people in FHTM Barbara McKay and Donna Lewis. Are they still in FHTM? Just curious? I know WCNC debunked other high profile people invovlement in FHTM "former Charlotte Mayor Pat McCrory, who said he'd "never heard of it. I have absolutely no connection." Also listed but denying involvement in FHTM -- NASCAR legend Geoff Bodine, who said, "I'm not involved. Someone signed me up. They're trying to use my name."" ??
Scottjj08 3 weeks ago 9
This has been flagged as spam show
I will tell you the biggest scam. The biggest scam is when you let people talk you out of an opportunity than can make you a lot of money in the long run. Most people fail to notice that toxic dream stealers are often dress in sheep clothing and pretending they are doing you a favor but the truth is they are wolves in sheep clothing going around the world talking people out of everything that they can.
larry2299 3 weeks ago
Comment removed
larry2299 3 weeks ago
Comment removed
larry2299 3 weeks ago
@Scottjj08 Keep your OWS give me free money without working for it or it's a scam or greed thinking going and you guys will spend your life time accomplishing nothing.
larry2299 3 weeks ago
@larry2299 You are one to speak given the position you are in. It’s a mere fact most reps in FHTM are losing money! I don’t have to be involved to know this, its public information. 28.15% made nothing in a given year! Three different sources came to the same conclusion that when you include the 28.15% with the lower two levels, you have 96% making on average $115 per month. Now figure in the costs to enroll, monthly product purchases, and the cost of running a business. Many are going broke.
Scottjj08 3 weeks ago 9
You people are like the OWS always want to play the victim role but don't want to go out to do what it takes to make money. If you guys want to call companies like Mary Kay, Avon, Tupperware and every other Network MArketing company a scam then you guys might as well keep on trying. Network Marketing been around for 100 years and when people like you guys take them to court you guys always lose. It's like at some point you guys have to open your mind and understand that this is a real business
larry2299 3 weeks ago
@larry2299 "when people like you guys take them to court you guys always lose." Please name a case where people lose in court with FHTM? The cases I show are still pending, which are two class action lawsuits one filed in California on December 22, 2010 and one filed in Kentucky on September 2, 2010 . Then an individual lawsuit made by Suzanne Combs originally filed in Texas June 16, 2011 then moved to Kentucky on September 29, 2011
bwells40 3 weeks ago 10
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Nice try! refer to the Montana C&D 2010, If she was invovled into something else, she was doing both. Her rep website was active until 2010. Give specifices!
bwells40 3 weeks ago 4
Comment removed
divabikinis 3 weeks ago
Comment removed
divabikinis 3 weeks ago
Anyone checking fhtmscamnews should review the bottom of the page which says.....(The views expressed are not those of this website. This site is an aggregation of news stories compiled from major media sources including print, television and US Court files. It DOES NOT contain any self published content or commentary.) So really it's not biased, it's just factual information relayed for due-diligence....how you interpret it is entirely up to the reader.
bwells40 3 weeks ago 5
@bwells40 Yes it does contain self published and doctored news. Mostly inaccurate too.
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 3 weeks ago
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm point out what you see as inaccurate instead of making assumptions.
bwells40 3 weeks ago 2
Might be a good time to refresh the North Carolina ongoing A.G. investigation.... Here it is: N.C. Attorney General spokeswoman Noelle Talley said investigators are asking that anyone who has dealt with Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing to file a consumer complaint, either by calling 1-877-5-NO-SCAM or by filling out the complaint form at......ncdoj gov The investigation has been going on for over a year an just recently they invovled the FTC hence Operation Empty Promises.
bledsify 4 weeks ago 26
This has been flagged as spam show
By the way. Instead of listening to the fools talk about FTC calling these companies a scam why not call them yourself to ask the full details instead of listening to some trolls on youtube.
larry2299 4 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
All I have to say is. Good luck to you guys. Hey if all you can do is talk people out of making great money and people are foolish enough to listen than you guys goals are following through. but all I have to say is that life must suck for you!
larry2299 4 weeks ago
Comment removed
larry2299 4 weeks ago
I went to see this meeting last week. A friend of mine was excited to share with me something he got invovled with. He didn't want to say what it was. I was wary of why he couldn't explain it, now I know why. When reps like Jonathan Brancati is caught lying to reporters on national tv it reminds me all to well why it's a pyramid schemes. The video exposes how many American companies have written to regulators to make clear they do not have a partnership or any direct relationship with FHTM.
neoparagear 4 weeks ago 48
You know for the past 10years this company made claims in presentations that they were debt free. There is a site, fhtmscamnews, that has the proof revealing they was not debt free at all. How about reps desperately trying to deceive potential recruits by saying FHTM has the highest rating with D&B (3A1 rating) and is growing faster than Microsoft. Again facts prove it to be all lies. Why did such a prominent leader, like Jim and Betty leave FHTM? Didn't Donna Lewis leave also?
bwells40 4 weeks ago 39
@bwells40 The fhtmscamnews proof isn't proof at all. Jim and Betty have been in 6 MLM's since they left FHTM....would you like to know why they "left?"
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 3 weeks ago
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Tells us why Jim and Betty left! After all these are two people that you would find many reps spout off as notable people. Not that it matters, but I'm sure many would like to know why they left. It appears it happened shortly after Montana C&D. fhtmscamnews is biased, but it presents vetted reviewed sources. I trust links on that site which leads you to the FTC, Operation Emtpy Promises, N.C. Attorney General, lawyers, Texas A.G., the recent news on Herbalife & DSA.
bwells40 3 weeks ago 2
@bwells40 Betty Miles left in late 2007 LONG BEFORE any of this started.
fhtmscamnews and fhtmclassaction.in has mostly innacurate or fake news reports.
sure fhtm made mistakes, but theyve been corrected. i am more confident for our future than I am about any of these "experts" who claim FHTM's demise.
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 3 weeks ago
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm Where do you get your facts that Betty and Jim (form Sec. of State) left FHTM in 2007? "LONG BEFORE any of this started." I can point out several sources that beg to differ.
bwells40 3 weeks ago 5
@bwells40 Jim and Betty left in 2007? I like to see the facts on that one as well. LOL
Scottjj08 3 weeks ago 2
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm You say "has mostly innacurate or fake news." and I say POINT THEM OUT!
bwells40 3 weeks ago
@bwells40 don't mind him, he lied about FTC and class action lawsuits. He has nothing of value or credible to say. What kind of rep throws a tantrum calling people stupid? It may seem common, but it just shows the ethics of their nature. He is trying to make faulty logic with earnings report to a income disclosure statement where FHTM clearly indicates 28.15% earn nothing.
Scottjj08 3 weeks ago
@Scottjj08 28.15% earn nothing because they do nothing.
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 3 weeks ago
@jerrymarcellormcfhtm "28.15% earn nothing because they do nothing," doubtful, if so, I'm sure all those reps achieved the required 3 customer points to "at the least" generate the recruiting check. At that time, that is all it took to get paid on up the pyramid, then move on to new blood.
Scottjj08 3 weeks ago 7
I just watched a video on youtube on Allconnect Inc.. The CEO, Mark Miller & KY Governor was speaking about the grand opening of the new call center. This is the same facility that handles calls for Dish Network customers, AT&T, DirectTV, TWC and Verizon customers. They mention nothing about FHTM. This building is no where close to FHTM suite headquarters. So why didn't Dish build a call center next to FHTM? Is this not exclusive to FHTM? Nope! Its has nothing to do with FHTM.
Scottjj08 4 weeks ago 22
@Scottjj08 I was also told about how Dish Network built a call center next to FHTM to handle the calls. That is amazing how that is not true and that Allconnect Inc. built a call center miles away in Lexington. Why be misleading and distort the facts? I'm making sure to spread the word to my friends and family to keep away from this scheme.
neoparagear 4 weeks ago 9
@Scottjj08 thx! I was reading your other post on how it wasn't Dish Network that build a call center in Lexington but a company called Allconnect and that it wasn't for FHTM customers, it was for Dish, Verizon, AT&T, etc customers. That was interesting.
bwells40 3 weeks ago 2
@bwells40 Anytime...... the Alloconnect even has videos on youtube celebrating the grand opening of the new call center to handle the calls for Dish, AT&T and so on.
Scottjj08 3 weeks ago
FHTM has no high-margin products to benefit an adequate residual income. many companies pay up to 45% commissions, while FHTM pays .50% to 1%. Sure it makes since to be your own customer, but isn't MLM about selling? If all you do is garage qualify yourself, then how are you following the FTC guideline on customer acquisitions. How are you growing a real business? Recruiting? Afterall you only have to have so many customer points then your done with customers. That isn't real business.
Scottjj08 4 weeks ago 9
@Scottjj08 FHTM pays way more than .50 to 1%.. Shee's you are so stupid.. you comment and dont even have the entire comp plan in front of you.
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 3 weeks ago
What do successful people and unsuccessful people have in common? They both hate to do what it takes to be successful. Successful people just do them anyway. --Darren Hardy
larry2299 4 weeks ago
@larry2299 Why is that most all the IDS you look at for an MLM company only 1-5% are making money, while 95% of those are going broke? Why would companies like FHTM not include the numbers where reps earned nothing into the configuration of earnings? As bad as they are, it just doesn't make sense? Anyone can make heads from tails looking at an IDS, and know working part-time earning below minimum wage you will make more. You spend more time recruiting, so why not save time working partime?
Scottjj08 4 weeks ago 7
@Scottjj08 Because all MLM's use active reps. So does McDonalds when they report on revenue and earnings...they dont report on closed locations do they?
jerrymarcellormcfhtm 3 weeks ago
"Spend a few hundred bucks make millions well that's the sell pitch" Funny how lottery does this but people don't call lottery a scam but when it comes to working hards to have a chance to make lots of money all of a sudden it's a scam? We live in America and as I see it most people want hand outs and don't want to work. Most Americans think gambling for a chance to earn millions is fine but when you have to work hard selling products then they lable it a scam. Funny how people mindset is.
larry2299 4 weeks ago
@larry2299 I think MLM reps are too lazy to bother trying to make an honest living doing an honest day’s labor. Why can’t you stay on the topic of FHTM? Is it because you recognize the clear signs and can only try to defend it by changing the subject? Why is that FHTM hides the 30% that made nothing and the months reps earned nothing fomr their IDS?
Scottjj08 4 weeks ago 8
@larry2299 What is funny is how reps think they own a business & claim to know how businesses operates just because they paid a small investment. They use the same propaganda B.S. when they spew disinformation and for that reason they present no ethical value in what they propagate. They make unfounded claims from what they were told. It might have sounded good at a meeting or training, but the reality is these people are susceptible and vulnerable to the first thing that sounds good to them.
Scottjj08 4 weeks ago 7
@divabikinis Don't it make since to be your own customer? First of all you save money second of all why should you give business to your compitition? It's like owning a car dealership and going across the steet to by a car from your competitor. Why not use ride in the cars from your own dealership? So don't you think most business owners use their own products? I'm sure they do!
larry2299 4 weeks ago
Comment removed
divabikinis 4 weeks ago
@divabikinis I'm galde you mentioned affliate marketing! What most people don't know is the same products FHTM offers you can sell the stuff at no cost through affiliated markting program, like Ocenture, Simplexity Protection for Living, Digital Landing, just to name a few. You see Ocenture offers a pre-package program that anyone can do, just like FHTM. They offer Road Side assistance, IT Please, FunVantage, Identashield, Health Plan. You can make more on sales as well.
Scottjj08 4 weeks ago 6
This has been flagged as spam show
I still can't get over a comment made about how reps think Dish built a headquarters by FHTM to handle the flood of calls, when in fact Dish spent nearly $7 million to open a 32,000-square-foot in-bound sales and customer support center on the Coldstream Research Campus in northern part of Lexington, that handles calls for AT&T, Dish Network, DirecTV, TWC and Verizon. Allconnect Inc is building the call center 15 mins North from FHTM HQ. Research and the truth is revealed.
Scottjj08 1 month ago 4
@Scottjj08 Meant to say "Alloconnect Inc" spent $7 million.........
Scottjj08 1 month ago
If you don't get customers you make no money. The business is simple as that!
larry2299 1 month ago
@larry2299 And the customer issue is what sparked Belgium to label Herbalife a pyramid scheme. The same fate can hold true for many MLMs in America if regulators and courts learn from this, which seems that is the direction the FTC is heading. If you are the customer, which we know from the Montana C&D order, then what are you really doing, recruiting. Then when that reps leaves, so does that customer. Corp America is not so bad after all! In fact I know I''l get paid, I know I
Scottjj08 1 month ago 6
@larry2299 won't have to swindle friends and family. I know I'll have benefits and a retirement. I know I'll have co-works who enjoy what they are doing. I know I'll spend more time with my family. I know I have earned it ethically! I know I won't have to defend who I work for every time someone wants to research. I know my friends and family won't try to dodge me.
Scottjj08 1 month ago 5
Comment removed
larry2299 1 month ago
Avoid the facts? How many people don't make it to the NBA? Is the NBA a scam? how about college? During the freshman year class rooms are packed but how many finish college and graduate with degree? So college is a scam too?
larry2299 1 month ago
@larry2299 Avoiding the facts by redirecting the issue with a far fetched comparison. How come FHTM doesn't include the 30% in their IDS and the months reps earned nothing? Even though the number are still bad as they are, just imagine if those numbers were included. Why is that FHTM is the only MLM on the FTC list called Operation Empty Promises? Why has there been so many complaints in the past two years? Why is FHTM using the same lawyers that run ACNs legal dept?
Scottjj08 1 month ago 8
But it's like this most people hate how corprate CEO and company owners miss treat employees by giving them lower pay and shipping jobs over seas. But when solution comes out to help people make CEO kind of money than it's a scam? And you want to shut it down after people work their buts off to be free from corprate greed. Call me crazy but it's like having the cure for aids (Corprate America) and people voting against the cure.
larry2299 1 month ago
@larry2299 Wow you have really been made to think Corp America is bad, even though you represent them when trying to sell their services or products. If is more rare today for companies to miss treat employees. Many companies are hiring and there are not enough educated people in America to fill them so they have to bring in people from other countries. You really have no clue of the business world today, your mentality in the 1990s and for a good reason. Most the leaders in FHTM
Scottjj08 1 month ago 4
@larry2299 started out around that time so they was spewing their B.S. then. They haven't learned anything new to say so all the newbies are getting fed nonsense. Look at your business model...true pyramid in design. You will never pass any of the leaders at top. You have a Corp business owner who can suddenly can you or change the comp plan to make you earn less. They have already been forced to make changes after Montana, N.D. and now Texas.
Scottjj08 1 month ago 6
Comment removed
divabikinis 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Consumers need to be made aware of peoples ignorance and fallacy. Just because you paid to be a sales rep doesn't mean you are business smart. Know the facts! Research credible sources like BBB, FTC, State Attorney Generals, and class action lawyers. All of these sources are credible and experts that qualifies them to present the facts. Don't fall for the brainwashed scare tactics or babble examples. It expresses the unethical behavior reps convey.
Scottjj08 1 month ago 4
In Network MArketing basically what you are doing is selling franchises like selling a McDonalds stores and the products you sell like the hamburgers. You will get a small piece of that sell. Network Marketing is an awesome concept if you look at it with an open mind and see it was created out of need because corprate companies don't pay fairly.
larry2299 1 month ago
@larry2299
MLLM's are NOT like buying a "franchise" or they would be subjected to the FTC rules on "business opportunities" and you actually would OWN something. You are very miss-informed.
divabikinis 1 month ago 7
Network MArketing is for those that hate Corprate jobs and the greed because. Remember all the company bail outs? And after the bail outs companies gave many CEO and top managers millions in bonuses and employees got the same pay? Well Netork Marketing is the answer to many of those that are tired of working hard at a job while there CEO's giving themselves big bonuses for doing nothing.
larry2299 1 month ago
@larry2299 You are comparing bail out companies to a thousands of Corp America business. You make a claim for all for the few. Your fallacy has no substance.
Scottjj08 1 month ago
@larry2299 MLM is another form of a barely legal ponzi/pyrmaid scheme. Most fail! Most will lose money! The statics are put out by the companies themselves. Look up the Income Disclosure Statements for most MLM companies. I believe a blogger on scam dot com had a good one put together. When I looked at them, they where a lot like FHTM's where 95% are going broke while maybe one percent make all the money. Why do you keep avoiding the facts? I present them, I don't make this up.
Scottjj08 1 month ago 5
Comment removed
divabikinis 1 month ago
Network Marketing was put together to counter Corprate because the founders of Amway seen that the employees where not able to move up the corprate pyramid(i.e job) because the management kept most of the money. Network Marketing is a level playing field for those that want to make CEO kind of income. Not for one person but all have a chance. And yes people do quite in Network Marketing. Tell me anything people don't quite in! but there are people that started dirt poor and are doing very well.
larry2299 1 month ago
@larry2299 The corp America comparison is a fallacy taught many brainwashing cult leaders. There is a clear distinction between Corporations and MLM. In a normal company, all employees make money, some more, some less. But they all make money. And the people at the bottom aren’t paying the people at the top. Everyone works, and everyone gets paid based on the “value” of the job which both the employer and employee agree to in the form of wages and benefits.
Scottjj08 1 month ago 4
@larry2299 . In a multi-level marketing structure, most of the people do not make any money. They are not getting paid for their efforts. They are “paying to play.” There are a handful of highly compensated people at the top making huge money, a slightly larger handful of people who are making a living wage, a much larger handful who are not making enough to survive on much less provide even a respectable part-time income, and the vast majority are losing money.
Scottjj08 1 month ago 7
But oh wait, people also spend thousands of dollars to go to college basically paying for a job by getting a degree. And after spending all that money on school all they give you is a receipt. That's all what a college degree is, it's a reciept and then you are not even sure if you will get a job after paying for college. Once you get a job you work in the Corprate pyramid where the CEO makes all the money you bring into the company.
larry2299 1 month ago
Oh well, it's your life bro. Live your life as you want it. But it's funny how you can't see the bigger scam is Corprate America where the CEO makes all the money at the top where as the employees at the bottom get the change. Draw out your company structure and lets see if you make more money that the CEO that is at the top with the managers in the middle. Draw it out and you will see a job is in the shape of a Pyramid.
larry2299 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
People take your time to do your research starting off with BBB, then Federal Trade Commissions, State Attorney Generals, and class action lawyers. All of these sources are credible and hold merit. They have in-depth knowledge that qualifies them to present the facts. The facts all have a clear message. You can also view lay persons testimonies on videos like this and other media outlets, they are not experts, but if you see a sign that many people are complaining...well then Red Flag!
Scottjj08 1 month ago 5
This has been flagged as spam show
@Scottjj08 "People take your time to do your research starting off with BBB, then Federal Trade Commissions, State Attorney Generals, and class action lawyers. All of these sources are credible and hold merit. They have in-depth knowledge that qualifies them to present the facts. The facts all have a clear message. You can also view lay persons testimonies on vids like this and other media outlets, they are not experts, but if you see a sign that many people are complaining" Thanks!
neoparagear 4 weeks ago 6
Comment removed
Scottjj08 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. ~ Dale Carnegie
larry2299 1 month ago
Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. ~ Dale Carnegie
larry2299 1 month ago
@larry2299 get lost and get out there and do what you do best, scam people!
Phoenixjen95 1 month ago
@larry2299 "There's a sucker born every minute" P.T. Barnum
Scottjj08 1 month ago
I learned one thing while dealing with people. People always look for the negitive side of things and always look for reason to talk themselves out of doing something that could benefit them. I hear this saying from a wealthy man "If you buy into broke people advice you will have a broke persons lifestyle" Anyone reading this, you don't have to do Network Marketing. But ask yourself. Are you rich yet? And if not? ask why...
larry2299 1 month ago
@larry2299 I'm sorry if facts that expose the company may sound negative, but facts are facts and they come from credible reliable sources that with years of experience. They know what their talking about. Look up the Operation Empty Promises by the FTC and the two pending class action lawsuits, the individual lawsuit and the North Carolina A.G. and media. Again all reliable and credible sources that expose how bad it is.
Scottjj08 1 month ago 3
@larry2299 The BBB also gives the company a D+ and flashes an alert on their reliability report which points the recent settlement with Texas A.G. investigation on allegations that FHTM was operating like a pyramid scheme. FHTM was forced to settle for 1.5 million. BBB, FTC, State Attorney Generals, and class action lawyers are all credible sources that have in-depth knowledge that qualifies them on the facts they provide. Too many red flags!
Scottjj08 1 month ago 4
to buy a $299 business it's a scam? okay lets see lottery tickets compare to Network Marketing. I will pick Network Marketing all day long! And no I will not tell you the company I work with! Anyone that listens to you deserves to be broke!
larry2299 1 month ago
Scottjj08 So when a person work to become successful making lots of money it's a scam? but playing the lottery is not? The same people that call Network Marketing a scam are the same people that are more than happy to spend all their money to play lottery tickets. There are people that come to my friend store that buys $50 or more in lottery tickets wasting there money but many people say that's okay. The more you play the better chance to win. But if you spend that same mney to buy a business.
larry2299 1 month ago
@larry2299 Larry it’s obvious you are with FHTM and have been diluted to the mlm cult mentality. You make no sense to reality. All one has to do is look at FHTM income disclosure statement and see that if someone working a part time job earning below minimum wage, they will still make more than 95% of those in FHTM. Notice when you look at the IDS FHTM does not include the 30% than earned nothing and the months reps earned nothing. Why? Dishonest?
Scottjj08 1 month ago
@larry2299 Show us that people are making money! FHTM IDS shows only half of one percent are making the money and most of those reps came from another company or got in at the beginning. The pyramid is already established, you will only make those at the top that much richer. Someone going to college for four years can do better than these folks. Heck I just seen a kid out of high school go to North Dakota to work the oil boom going on up there and in two years he is making 150,000 a year.
Scottjj08 1 month ago 3
Comment removed
divabikinis 1 month ago
Now N.C. attorney general has an ongoing investigation after receiving over 25 complaints. Why are so many people complaining? They can't all be wrong? People can't help it if they was mislead thinking it was something that it's not and when they go state their complaint to an A.G. or the BBB then reps like Larry says "People are lazy wanting something for nothing." BBB received around 25 complaints this past year, N.C. over 25, Texas, received lots. FHTM had to pay 1mill to Texas A.G.
Scottjj08 1 month ago