Is Leadership Team Development (LTD) a Scam?

[piped600]

if you're reading this and are a part of amway at any level, get out now. you can make more money selling oranges. look at the statistics of sucessful people in amway. less than a half a percent make 6 figures. fact. get out now. fuck your upline.

[rickybobby11593]

@stoam he is referring to the fact the he will be retiring from his 9-5 and working for himself and i'm sorry but what is your income talking down on a 19 year old making 48k a year and owning his own business?

[KRYPTONITECEO]

You guys should really read the article before posting

The answer to the question “Is the LTD business a scam” is a resounding no. The LTD business team provides an educational backbone that has resulted in proven success for LTD/Amway Global businesses. They offer training materials and events at a reasonable price, and the information provided typically is of good quality.

[chrismcoaching]

I read the article the gentleman wrote and he stated very well that Amway and LTD is NOT a scam so stop putting up reckless comments and at least do your research! Best wishes with the soon-to-be leaders and thank you for the article Coach.... C.M.

[TheAbrissi]

bro everything these people say sound like a freaking cult, they repeat what they hear like its the word of god, then slap god in the middle. A gang will love you as a family, but turn around and fuck your ass up and leave you in a box. They can mentor and care for you as family but in all i honestly think its bullshit and brain washing. I know a cult when i see one cause i fell into one like a fucking idiot and not again, not again...

[TheGo0gie]

@TheAbrissi do you know the definition of a cult? "a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion"

..wouldn't that make a football team a "cult"? A fundraising foundation a "cult"? I don't know about you, but if you want to call people who are going to make me happy, and make MY LIFE better by giving me financial freedom with some work into it, then god damn I guess i'm in a cult.

[casey69schofield]

Have you done all research form sponsorships to the guarantee on all Amway's produces!

No company guarantee all there produces for 6 months no question's asked and may I ask have you been a IBO let me share a word with you Ubuntu (means being human) LTD teaches that I am human plus I wont to be free!!!!

[tank9105]

ha! I joined amways ltd team a year ago and you call 4000 dollars a month a scam pssh you guys need to understand that the effort we put in pays off i just got back two hours ago from the Louisville expo im living the dream and plan on retiring at the age of 22 im 19 ive grown my business exponentially if your interestend in hearing my point of view give me a call and we'll talk you guys that doubt just gave up, didnt put in the effort or time, I feel sorry for you, I support my self livng proof

[3DChris82]

@tank9105 AWESOME!!!!!!!!! I was there too. The Victors were AMAZING!!!!!

[tank9105]

@3DChris82 it was absolutely awesome i was the first one on the floor sunday thanking god that i was given this opportunity people who gave up will never know what life can bring them with a little effort and they absolutely were!! tobay and mia ayers were great too so youthful and full of life plus toby was awesome mocking mia the hole time haha

[CoachByExample]

@tank9105 again, for the non readers, go back, read the article, and then come back and let's talk.

[Stoam]

@tank9105 So you make 4000 dollars a month, thats 48,000 a year. Not too bad, but do you REALLY think you'll be retiring at the age of 22? Idiot.

[rickybobby11593]

@tank9105 thank you man! finally someone that relizes the effort is what you get back! if it is such a scam how do you suggest that amway and ltd are growing in this horrible economy? and that there are new platinums and diamonds being broken in at new record paces each year?!!? I just started my business and already got my first check and am gaining from joining ltd! If it were not for this business I would not know my true potential and have the great friends i have today!

[hnican]

Larry Winters is a fat pig. I wonder if he paid his millions that he owes in back taxes yet?

[CoachByExample]

@dougvigliano Guess you're another one who didn't read the article, now did you? It's ok, I understand the mentality. Amway's a great business, I hope you have what it takes to make it .

[the2989]

explain the difference? anybody can write whatever they want here without anybody in real life knowing who actually wrote it. would you take financial advice from writing on the bathroom stall at the nearest 7-Eleven? or would you take that kind of advice from someone who's actually making money?

[CoachByExample]

@the2989 explain the difference between a scam and not a scam? Sure, as soon as you go read the blog post this video is promoting, and then we can have an intelligent conversation.

[the2989]

Your room is baller status! How can I make your kind of money?

[CoachByExample]

@the2989 I guess you're talking about the room I recorded the video in?

[Carolinaboy425]

I'm not here to tell people whether they are wrong or right. But I am a part of LTD and just stumbled upon this. The fact is any business venture has start up costs, in all honesty, 160 bucks to get linked with Amway and 50 to get linked up to an education system is a cheap investment, and you have a 6month money back guarantee. Yes there are lists made, but at the end of the day you are an IBO, you entreprenu the education is simply there to guide you in leadership and has a proven track record

[Carolinaboy425]

@Carolinaboy425 (continued)... And as any business, business evolves. What Amway and LTD was 6 months ago is drastically different now. April 2009, all of the products costs were reduced and with that the value (PV) and profit margins were cut. Some organizations have struggled while LTD has grown 33%, why? Because LTD has decided to sell quality products at the more competitive prices and without sponsoring people, new IBOs are cashing in 3-4 hundred bucks in their first check. Just my input

[CoachByExample]

@Carolinaboy425 great input, did you read the article that accompanies the video?

[Carolinaboy425]

@CoachByExample Sorry just saw this... yeah I read the article. I mean the QI is really a dead practice, hardly anyone does an original QI. The QI Philosophy remains though, filter people out of your business rather then in. The idea is to work with people that want an opportunity. And yes attitude always trump technique.. because someone who is looking for opportunity is looking, doesn't matter how you say it. Technique is something you can learn by just doing and adjusting.

[junkerdunk]

its a scam. I was invited to listen from my room mate who vouched for them and for me but I was unable to get any amount of product or sale without being 'licensed' which cost me a couple hundred bucks. Needless to say I didnt give them anything. The part where you only get commission once you sell x dollars is a red flag as is the sign up fees.

[CoachByExample]

@junkerdunk I understand your concern, but the fact that you have to put money up to start a business doesn't make it a scam. The fact that your business setup was referred to as a "license" is pretty scammy though. You cannot start a business anywhere without some investment of time, money, effort and energy, so why not just call it that? The Amway pay plan is one of the less profitable in network marketing for a brand new person.

[jonnyspringfield]

@junkerdunk I've been in outside sales for years and the fact that you must hit a certain "quota" before you earn your commission is a standard in the majority of sales roles. Simply good business practice on the corporate end and also incentifying to the individual to work to hit their goals. As for start up costs from what I understand it is a business venture of sorts. Also a good business practice to require any 1099 to take responsibility for them to filter out the wrong people for the role

[the2989]

@junkerdunk hmm, guy who saw the plan but didn't get in says LTD is a scam. That's called CREDIBILITY, folks! The bathroom wall of the internet tells no lies!

[junkerdunk]

bathroom wall of the internet? I thought that's what 4chan was, not youtube.

[djdeejay81]

I wouldn't say it's a scam, but I would say they have cult like tenancies. I believe they would get less flack if they would be more honest in their approach, recruit real talent and encourage team members to develop sound business skills and marketing strategies. I also believe they would receive less flack if their primary focus would be retail customer satisfaction. I doubt that would change anytime soon because LTD thrives on the profits of their educational system: that's their meal ticket.

[CoachByExample]

@djdeejay81 The approach is the main problem, you hit the nail on the head, great answer! It boils right down to marketing. The unfortunate thing is, they do have some great people on their team, but they're not very open to new marketing ides or suggestions. They're also somewhat limited by the rules and regs from Amway corporate, but I agree with you.

[the2989]

@djdeejay81 haha, wrong answer buddy, 300PV personal circle is the new standard (with many, many IBOs going far beyond 500PV personal circle). When else could have anyone been able to go Silver with just 25 people or less? Everybody is making money, and if you're not in on it, you're missing out.

[CoachByExample]

@TennesseeSaint

1-I agree with your first point, opportunity is abundant.

2-Not only are you incorrect about my level of succes, but you clearly didn't read the blog post.

3-Taking advice from the person who pays your bills(You) has you in the position you currently find yourself (broke). But if you weren't interested in what I had to say, why click on the video in the first place?

4-Referencing Jesus doesn't make you sound smarter, if your reference doesn't make any sense.

[MisterJVish]

yo i just attened this seminar today, they have all been blunt about exactly how this income is achieved. and they later told us that they require an investment of 200 dollars and then it goes on n on... but it all seems so shady because they want to be so quick into details of what is required of you, but they always never get around to actually telling you what exactly they do to earn this income

[CoachByExample]

@MisterJVish-thanks for the response. I can tell you how you're going to be taught to market your business, if you decide to pursue this opportunity.

1-Make a huge list of everyone you know and have contact information for

2-Contact them and book a meeting for a QI, or send them to your website for an online QI

3-Three foot rule-talk to anyone who comes near you about your business

This is one of the fundamental disagreements I have with LTD, and why I market my new business differently.

[trabrzy03]

@CoachByExample We never taught tht method from cd's or stage some ppl in the organization took tht approach on themselves and it is a bit brow beating and the britt worldwide organization usually is involved and that is y they grow so much slower than LTD because they r not genuinely caring ppl in their approach.

[CoachByExample]

@trabrzy03 don't say never, I'm very familiar with what BWW and LTD have taught from stage and CD. Things may be different now, but friends and family and cold contacting was the primary thing being taught from stage in the past, no one in LTD was using the internet or any other type of direct marketing.

[the2989]

@MisterJVish So uh, you making any money yet? Your youtube comment is 5 months old, you could be a new Silver by now if you wanted to be.

[dougvigliano]

@the2989 BAM!!! Some people will just never learn, Amway is the biggest thing since sliced bread!! These scrubs need to get on board or go home

[RocstarRagpicker]

Not one of you KNOW what you're talking about.

[CoachByExample]

@RocstarRagpicker -I don't think they don't know what they're talking about, but I do think it's hard to be objective in a situation where emotion is tied in. Their personal experiences have led them to believe that to be true, and perception is reality. At the same time that I have a pretty positive view of the LTD team, for example, I also realize that there are people in any business who do bad things, and cast the whole organization in a negative light.

[tripthelitefantastic]

Is it a scam? No.

Is it a sham? Yes.

Is it AmWay? YES  Is it worth it? NOT A CHANCE IN HELL!!!

[trabrzy03]

@tripthelitefantastic why is it a sham because u decided to not listen to the opportunity or did u get in and it didnt work? Did it not work because u quit, because quitters never make money, or did it not work because u thot it was a get rich quick deal n didnt wanna put in any legit effort? or did you not listen to the opportunity because somebody else told u it was a scam? if thts it then what makes somebody's bad decision have any effect on u making the right decision.

[CoachByExample]

LOL, thanks for the reply Gustav. What is it that makes LTD a scam, in your opinion?

[Me109G10Gustav]

short answer, yes!