Ken Kesey on Saddam Hussein and the first Iraqi War

[yenjey]

Thx for everything Ken. I think otherwise. Lol.

[yenjey]

ooops.

[MichaelBallack91]

Why is it that the hippies seem to know more than the general public, yet ironically enough it's the hippies that are mocked and looked down upon by the general public? It's obvious Saddam and Osama were both part of a scheme developed by the United States themselves, not some outside terrorist threat! And guess what? Gaddafi is next...

[47docrock]

as of a couple of days ago Leon Panetta,other US operatives, and military interrogators who were involved with prisoners during that time all, I repeat, ALL refuted water-boarding led to Osama. They explained that the time line alone made it impossible.Of course Fox news and the Cheneys jumped on one thing and twisted it. Hey don't let evidence and facts get in the way of your beliefs man! When I first heard Panetta's initial statement I knew he would have to correct himself. Fox ignored that

[mrjericho5701]

Recent info which originally came from "Water-Boarding" under BUSH led to the courier found in Iraq which led us to Osama,.....interesting!,....

[47docrock]

@mrjericho5701 AND already proven totally and absolutely untrue. if you watch real news organizATIONS occasionally you should know that by now,May17th. When the Cheneys pontificate something, you should have a good clue that it isn't factual. when someone is wrong and wrong again why does a news outlet treat them like some authority?

[mrjericho5701]

@47docrock CIA also said Water-Boarding and other technics used by BUSH Aministration helped get Osama,....but just like always,..comes down to who you want to believe,.....

[tdworak]

Great artists make horrible politicians. Kesey is a great artist.

[ThePatriotinPA]

@zozoworld you are the exact reason i dont like hippies but i like people like kesey.

". . . sometimes you need to open up a bit and let go"

how bout youve got to stand for something, or you will fall for anything.

stupid faggot loving hippies, oh ya sexual freedom (just a reason to be a whore), blah blah blah. shut the fuck up already

[CosChrono]

@ThePatriotinPA Who says being a whore is wrong? Does that idea come from your conscience, or was it placed there by cultural conditioning? In a world where contraceptives are available, is the prohibition against being a whore still relevant? There are many arguments you could make for chastity, but the words "whore" and "faggot" are just angry barks, empty of all but connotative arguments; "Don't be a faggot or a whore; we won't like you" in other words, but you could just as easily accept it.

[blastingcaps]

@CosChrono Well some people still have what is called morals. I for one think homosexuality is disgusting and "wrong" in the sense that other humans are not produced that way. HOWEVER, I dont give a shit if other people want to do that kind of thing. As far as whores go, there are different kinds. A person who says they love u than fucks your friend is a terrible whore, because they misrepresented who they were. All in all, if i want to call somebody a whore or a faggot, its a personal judgment.

[CosChrono]

@blastingcaps Homosexuality exists throughout the animal kingdom, so it's not unnatural, and when you say "other humans are not produced that way", the same could be said of heterosexuals from the point of view of a homosexual. The idea of sexual freedom is that people don't misrepresent themselves. They agree to be part of a group that believes love is sometimes not exclusive.

[CosChrono]

@blastingcaps Of course you can call someone a whore or a faggot, and tell them to "shut the fuck up", but don't be surprised when they are offended; in fact, it would seem to be exactly what you wanted. You're insulting people who aren't harming anyone and just trying to be happy by being honest about what they feel and believe. It's a shame traditional morality seems increasingly to forget lessons about being good to each other, and instead makes declarations of who should be hated.

[xxxXGuNzXxxx]

Kesey has always been a genius.

[pureevilfnord]

I LOVE Kesey, but why is there always some stupid Deadhead waiting to throw a Dead lyric quote out? I want to hear a wise man talk, not some hippie looking to impress his hero.

[alextheskaterdude07]

@pureevilfnord You're so right

[tommyarmour986]

A) I'm sitting and B) Unmitigated tolerance is most often the puffery of pedestrian minds and undisciplined souls. Better men than Timothy Leary, Ken Kesey and Alistair Crowley managed to change the world without drugs and the awful tradeoffs that come with it.

[CosChrono]

@tommyarmour986 I suppose in your opinion Jesus had a pedestrian mind when he said to "love your enemies"? What you forget is that Kesey wanted people to move beyond acid and live having moved through the door in the wall, to act without drugs. Perhaps they were undisciplined, but the Pranksters stood for that freedom America claims to love dearly, spreading ideas of real liberation from the cultural games that contain us. In other words, being undisciplined is a compliment.

[tommyarmour986]

The Beat Generation has produced some of the most illiterate, pedestrian intellects to ever be given serious academic consideration. Listen to guys like Kesey and Ginsberg ramble, then listen to to any Charles Manson rant. Its as if anything...anything is really deep if you say it with enough fervor or passion. The Beat writers are a fart in the elevator of literary history. William Burroughs was a immature poof who shot his overbearing "beard", Joan Vollmer, like a craven coward.

[Zozoworld]

The Beats were a group of people who had the guts to step out of the mold of centuries-old literary structure. It was a generation that shattered the squeaky clean "Leave It to Beaver" obligations of complacent post-war America. They personified the coming modern culture, accepting all faiths, races, and sexual orientations. They are AMERICA. You can't deny their place in our history. They still speak to people. Academia gets stuffy . . . sometimes you need to open up a bit and let go.

[jboritzki]

Pot is harmless huh? lol, This guy can't stay on the subject and makes no sense. Smoke another one dude!

[shinybald36]

i don't believe we are on a war economy, although, the whole saddam hussein problem was, fueled by american foreign policy blunders, the enemy of are enemy isn't an automatic friend, see the former soviet union, china ect... real problem with foreign policy is who is worthy of support.

[fossnoff1]

whatever helps to stimulate the brain.

[brainoyo]

Don't do acid. Seriously. I used to be in the scene, but now I realize that it's just a bunch of self-indugent people escaping reality. Take that energy and do something good for the world instead. What a waste.

[shlempnar]

no you're totally right.

there's a very fine line out there.

[crackmunch]

your a dumb ass. Maybe YOU were self-indulgent. There are plenty of people who take their experiences to other greater things.

Where do you think the whole Eco movement came from? Apple computers? the internet?? all based on psychedelics or ideas born of it. Those that are self-indulgent escapists will move on. Not fair to make a blanket statement like that

[bpcoakley]

Yeah, there are a lot of people who "indulge" in things for the wrong reasons, but that's no reason to discredit the amazing things that certain chemicals have done for humanity or to tell someone not to try something..."being in the scene" is one thing. Exploring the possibilities is another.

[Marxinator]

@crackmunch I agree. Drugs can hurt people, but they can also do a lot of good, and just because one person's experience was bad doesn't mean that all experiences of that sort are bad.

[tommyarmour986]

Sit down junior, you can make the same claim of peas and carrots. Every great idea of the 20th century came from someone who ate their peas and carrots. So whois to say that psychedelics aren't really the brainchild of a wicked sweet pottasium vegetable rush?

[crackmunch]

If you only knew.... I suppose peas and carrots could have produced a Jimi Hendrix. I suppose modern psychology could have been explored with fucking cheeseburgers. I suppose The whole environmental and social movements could have spawned from enlightenment gained from buffalo wings.

[gary7999]

@crackmunch I agree.Self-indulgence also means staying in the middle east for the sake of one state sponsored terrorist in Israel.

[mcttotal]

not necessarily old sport - you were just hanging out with a bunch of self-indulgent people escaping reality.... and it took you a while to realize it...

[caprisun3484]

Colin Wilson wrote the Outsider

[chessout]

When he ask them if they've heard of Colin Wilson, they say yes, and refer to The Outsiders. The Outsiders was written by Susan Eloise Hinton. Just wanted to throw that out there. I love Ken Kesey as a person, as an author, as a revolutionary, as an artist, as a social commentator, etc...

[bryanswagerty]

Colin Wilson wrote The Outsider.

[chessout]

Thank You bryanswagerty! I'm am now very interested in this book The Outsider!

[bryanswagerty]

I've never read it, but if it's anything like The Mind Parasites then I would guess it's crap. But, as they say, you should never judge a book by its cover.

[kiherlaly]

I thought Colin was the protagonist. I read that book 6 years ago and remember nothing.

[RobGoth100]

Take some more acid Ken

[photofu]

wow excellent...thanx...

[truegangsteroflove]

Every time I have heard Ken Kesey speak, the thing that has impressed me most is the deep space he comes from. He's not just mouthing words, not exercising his ego, but speaking from the soul, from a place of clarity, sincerity, and certainty.

[PnkRckPrncssLM]

i love the man, and SAGN is one of my favorite novels, but honestly, is there even a loose connection between the book he is talking about and saddam? What is he talking about? Oh, and "Sailor Song" sucked bigtime.

[rosalort]

Sailor Song sucked...but it had Shoola and the Sea Lion!!!

[sharegrace]

May Jesus Christ bless the sould of Ken Kesy and also all his family. May the Blessed Mother and Arch Angel Michael come to his aid as well as his intentions.

[merryberry1234]

I wrote Ken Kesey a letter one time, and he wrote back!!! A very cool guy by anyone's standards.

RIP

[mazzolajewellery]

yay for ken kesey - a very cool dude

[yocsmotel]

O.K. kids, pay attention--he's talking about the FIRST Gulf War. Essentially, he's saying that the U.S. got Hussein to INVADE Kuwait. FAR-OUT, Man. Kesey in his prime though was unbelievable--SOMETIMES A GREAT NOTION is one of the best novels I ever read.

[TheAlchemist78]

Interesting ...