Money buys manhood for Mormon in mixed-orientation marriage? (Part 1)

[davees67]

wow - it amazes me how easily people accept a transgendered person's desire to go through sexual re-assignment surgery, but god forbid a guy wanting to go straight if he feels gay doesn'r suit him? who in the f ---k are you to judge? 

[spaghettimonsterman1]

this is so sad and homophobic. these people really do need to come to terms with who they are! gay only 'doesnt work' when others discriminate like this

[se1muscle]

I'm a black male, open-mindedly sexual individual and loving it. Why should I label my sexuality because society wants me to? Bollocks to that!

[Svperstarr]

This is so sad. I am a straight ex-mormon, I can't imagine why any of these guys would chose a religion over happiness.

[brighteyes26100]

Wow, I feel very sorry for all of those men.

[revemupman]

Umm... If you want to turn a gay man straight. The last thing I would do is bond him up with other men who have the same desires as the next man. I would hire hookers and turn that sausage fest into a real masculine party.

[mneunbamboon]

12 (sorry for the randomness), what a waste of money. 13, these women and children don't deserve this. 2:26 is really hot. 14, Preston's natural instincts didn't view this as a struggle, what he learned from his parents caused him to. 15, they're not showing up as being truthful in their lives by denying who they truly are. 16, being born gay they woulda been gay even as kids. Many kids discover they're gay at age 4-5. Truama can't influence your biology. Most gay people had healthy childhood

[mneunbamboon]

8, I luv all the gay hugging; each hug crosses the line from straight to gay, lmfao..also how their so close to eachother living-space-wise. 9, I feel really sorry for these guys. All theyre doing is harming themselves. The denial process must be humongous daily struggle. Their wasting away their lives. If they try the celibacy thing, there's not gonna b no afterlife nor a god tht will reward them w/ straightness. 10, not 1 of those men is straight. 11, David Matheson should lose his liscence

[mneunbamboon]

...to help the client "..actively cope with social prejudices against homosexuality, successfully resolve issues associated with and resulting from internal conflicts, and actively lead a happy and satisfying life." along with dealing with discrimination and bullying, and find a role in the gay community, and deeal with stereotypes. Nothing else.

[mneunbamboon]

6, sexual orientation is in no way relevant to gender role stereotypes. Behavoirs, mannerisms, actions; genetic appearance, clothes worn, interests or personality--- do not have anything to do with sexuality. You can change how masculine or feminine you are but your sexual orientation will always be the same. 7, repartive or conversion therapies have been said to be unsafe, innefective, harmful and traumatizing by credible organizations such as the APA. The therapists job is to help the client..

[mneunbamboon]

This is very, very saddening and sickening. First off no sexual orientation, simply, is biological and genetic, therefore unchangeable. You cannot change your genes. 2nd off, homosexuality has been observed in nearly every spiecies on the planet. 3, there is no logic in calling it unnatural, wrong, nor disgusting. It is a healthy, natural, normal aspect of sexuality. 4, you cannot fix something that is not broken. 5, all major mental and physical health organizations agree w/ these statements.

[spaghettimonsterman1]

@mneunbamboon when i was a mormon in utah i knew a kid named Drew, and in third grade he played with barbie dolls and went shopping and painted his toes...he was my only friend. he was a true friend.

he was always gay even before we knew what gay was.

but his mormon parents and family disowned him as he got older.

thats what mormonism does. it breaks up families and discriminates

[steerpike66]

Other, better men that Christ formulated moral philosophy centuries before Jesus was born to be exploited by propagandists like Saint Paul.

Buddha proved that you don't need God to achieve enlightenment. Aristotle proved that you don't need God to be good and to live a moral life.

And science opened the window to the skies and revealed the truth that those men knew thousands upon thousands of years ago: there is nobody out there watching us: there is only nature. Morality lies within alone.

[steerpike66]

And again. there is no God,and, if there is, why does he kill a child every thirty second through starvation or disease? Why does he murder thousands of innocent with earthquakes and tsunamis? Why does he value the lives of the wicked more than the lives of innocent children?

No, ther is no God. Your conception of God is too small, too narrow and too childish to encompass the vast chaos of an infinite cosmos of which we are but the tiniest and most insignificant part.

[steerpike66]

There is no God who cares about your sexuality, what you eat, wear or say.

None.

The idea is infantile.

[Aldeniszen]

@steerpike66 Neigh, GOD loves you and everything about you. He cares at all times what you do, wear or say. Sexual sins are special, since they are the only sins that are not merely external, but also internal. All others are external.

[steerpike66]

We know know that our sun is only one of a hundred billion stars in this galaxy. And that galaxy is just one of hundreds of millions of galaxies in the known universe. And the whole oh human civilisation, from cro-magnon man to the Ancient Sumerians to Abraham to the Romans to The Renaissance to the Industrial Revolution to now and foreward to the future which will most probably contain our ultimate end and the silence that will follow all our works is just a moment in the life of the universe.

[steerpike66]

God is just a away of dealing with the realisation of that insignificance. A vain hope of eternity for a tiny species that doesn't have the mental strength for its own short lifespan, let alone a mind that can encompass the infininte. If I have a God, it is the cosmos revealed by science: huge beyond comprehension, implacable, uncaring, strange and as impersonal as magnetism, gravity, quarks.

And your God cares about anal sex?

Pathetic.

[steerpike66]

there's virtually nothing in the Bible that mentions homosexuality and NOTHING that appiles to modern gay relationships. these men are worrying for nothing. You can be gay and happy, be in love, live in peace, grow old together and have a family. Thes men are just torturing themselves and, in the end, lying to women who they will torture as well and end up making miserble.

I feel so sorry for the women that these closet cases will eventually marry, betray and will probably end up abandoning.

[Aldeniszen]

@steerpike66 What is this virtually crap? Either it did, or it didn't, and it did. Please see gotquestions. (add) org/gay-Christian.html. You can virtually do any sin and be happy, but it is hollow and will not be real peace. It is comfortability in order to keep you thinking you are happy in sin and to keep you away from GOD. It is not a real family if it is gay, and these people will probably have stronger relationships then most having overcome such great adversity.

[steerpike66]

@Aldeniszen Well then there are sins in the Bibel that you are committing, sins of geed, materialism an sloth, that we are all guilty of. Gibe all you possessions to the poor? Live in ease and luxury whilst the wretched of the Earth live in misery and die in poverty while you do nothing? Do you even pierce your ears, wear tattoos, support illegal wars, eat shellfish or wear mised fibers?

All sins all serious and all as evil as homosexuality or worse.

[Aldeniszen]

@steerpike66 Oh, and one more thing, using modern as an excuse to do anything against HIS commandments is just that, an excuse. Well, I didn't want to lie, murder, steal, but it's been a few thousand years and everyone was doing it. Yea, that's the ticket... to hell.

[ThrowedOffInk]

you know, if people will just stop giving a shit on what you want, then that alone will make this a better place, give in to what you want in life, you dont need some school to tell you what you want in life. this is 100% bull shit

[nohohongs]

this... this is just sad.

[xGothimox]

I guarantee they have sex at that camp.

[journey7210]

The message is not a message of hate. Men living with unwanted homosexuality and seeking change have become the minority. It seems more and more hate is being given to us from the gay activist for seeking change. The gay community has been demanding acceptance and equality for themselves, but seems unwilling to give that same respect to us. People can Change has helped me and other men in so many ways. I just wish we could all accept one another and live peaceably.

[Cleverconveyence]

@journey7210 Maybe not of hate, but of lies. "Therapy" such as this has been conclusively proven to not work/be psychologically harmful.

[Aldeniszen]

@Cleverconveyence That seems to be a lie. Ask Preston.

[Cleverconveyence]

@Aldeniszen Preston is lying to himself.

[steerpike66]

@journey7210 Offering a change that is not biologlcally possible is wrong and is selling false hope. The only 'hope' for homosexuals is a life of repression. It's called the closet and it's HELL.

[Aldeniszen]

@steerpike66 The only hope is the closet and it is hell? Do you hear yourself? The only hope is love, and love is understanding. That is what they are trying to get here, instead you mock them and do not show them love, but hate. You are filled with your own demons.

[journey7210]

I attended the Journey into Manhood weekend and it was the most helpful thing I've done on my journey. They never claim to cure homosexuality over night, or on the weekend retreat. I never wanted to be gay and knew I wasn’t born gay, but didn't know how to change. They gave me the tools to begin my journey. I am now happier, content, and more at peace with myself. I learned to be more authentic, and gain greater insight about myself and others.

[MacToronto]

wait I saw this movie! It was called Brokeback Mountain!

[MacToronto]

Study after study has shown how this is harmful and over 95% of these guys eventually fully come out...time for people to accept themselves and stop the mind f*cking!

[HenhousetheRed]

That money could have gone towards a vacation. Or some really nice clothing.

Instead, it went into the pockets of the Mormon assholes. Scamity scam scam!

[steerpike66]

Find someone who has a hole in them. A feeling of inadequacy. If they don't have one, MAKE ONE. All men feel that they could be more manly. Gay men are easy; they've internalized so much doubt about their masculinity over the years that they will be pretty much desperate. Closet-cases are the easiest, particularly religious ones. they think that GOD hates them too and they've probably been rejected by their fathers. The hole is HUGE. offer to fill it. With bullshit and empty promises. JACKPOT!

[Aldeniszen]

@steerpike66 God loves everyone, always. Anyone who thinks otherwise has had the devil steer their thoughts somehow. However, he does not like sin, and there is nothing wrong with getting wise council to avoid sinning. Sin is difficult to overcome sometimes, and why we must help each other.

[steerpike66]

@Aldeniszen Did you just say the Devil hate sin?

Cause grammatically, that's what you just said.

[Aldeniszen]

@steerpike66 Mtter of fact, if you watch the video, he even tells Preston, can you allow yourself not to hate these feeling, ala hate himself? The greatest trick Satan ever pulled was guilt. If you hate yourself you do not love yourself. If you don't love yourself, you can't truly love others.

[SuperContinuum]

What a crock. Just another way to steal money from the hands of the poor souls who have been warped by religion and society into thinking that gay is bad.