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  • Don't forget the Webley MK1V .38!

  • HOW MUCH DOES A HIGH-QUALITY GUN LIKE THIS ONE COST?

  • Pretty Bad ass if i do say so myself, but i think i'm going to create a force field myself since All I Like is Peace and i dont want people die. I am with god.

  • will a .38 S&W put a man down with a couple shots Center of Mass? 146 grain bullets must be deadly.

  • on my opnion, its the most beautiful revolver ever

  • can this gun support high calibre rounds.

  • Hi.  Thanks for the reply. Visualfoxy1

  • Hi. The HOLSTER at the beginning would this fit a Webley of 1919

    Looks the same size as one in my picture

    visual foxy1 (alison) ...........

  • @Visualfoxy1 It would fit a .38 caliber Webley or Enfield revolver - but not a .455 caliber revolver. There were a couple .38 caliber models available in 1919 but the most common were .455.

  • sounds a little underpowered for a military sidearm i think the british should have sticked with the webley 455 just my opinion though

  • @electrichand1234 The loading this gun was designed for, ".38/200", is hard to come by these days, so he was most likely using the less potent but more common ".38s&w". It has a lighter bullet.

  • @UnusualTastes I actually shoot .38/200 handloads in my British .38's. .38 S&W works just fine but doesn't hit point of aim due to the lighter bullet.

    In truth the actual cartridge approved for service use was the .380 Revolver Mark IIz - which used a 180gr jacketed bullet. The .38-200 never actually saw wartime service due to concerns about Hague Convention violations.

  • @DrakeGmbH I'm curious, how many grains of powder and of what brand do you reload with? Do you know the fps? Thanks.

  • @UnusualTastes I can't seem to find my notes anymore. I didn't load the .38/200 myself as I have no reloading equipment - I handed off the brass to a fellow who reloaded them with 200gr 0.360" cast lead bullets. Velocity is around 650 fps.

  • @electrichand1234 I agree, but they wanted to get the soldiers to become better marksmen faster, so that meant getting a gun that had less reciol, my dads got a Mk.6, love it, the action is so smooth, the only problem is that the timing is WAY off

  • @penguinbubby1 The Prideaux loaders for .38 Webleys will fit, if you can find one. Loaders for a Colt Detective Special or Police Positive will work.

  • Why would you want a revolver to be double action only if it didn't have to be?

  • @Makingnewnamesisdumb Because it simplified training. Previously soldiers were taught marksmanship in both single action and double action. To streamline the training and to keep soldiers from using slow fire aimed shots, exposing themselves to enemy fire, the revolvers were converted to double action only.

  • @Makingnewnamesisdumb The Enfield was issued to tank crews in an open holster & complaints were made that the hammer spur caught on the inside of the tank whilst exiting in a hurry. To counter this they produced a hammerless model with a double action lock only & many were ratro modified later. a fully functional Enfield with a hammer spur is quite rare.

  • @taffwob I always found the official explanation amusing. Even with the 'tanker' holster I've got, the hammer spur is well below the mouth of the holster. If anything were to catch inside a tank it would be the grip! I believe it had a lot more to do with the new pistol instruction in WWII which aimed to avoid aimed single action shots and instead fire double action shots rapidly 'from the hip' at short range. Taking off the hammer spur encouraged that.

  • I've shot a Webley before and it just didn't do anything for me. It had mediocre accuracy and the ammo is expensive. It had a pretty nice trigger though.

  • That was a pretty quick reload.

  • Top break revolvers are epic.

  • Does single action improve accuracy or something?

  • @whowantsabighug Yes, by a large margin. The trigger pull is far shorter and lighter so it's much easier to keep the sights aligned as you pull the trigger. Heavy double action pulls tend to push the muzzle from the intended point of aim as you pull the trigger. Practice can help remedy this but a single action shot will always have a lighter trigger pull than a double action shot from the same gun.

  • what is with the wind? you live in the texas panhandle or something?

  • @coletheanimator It was hitting the camera's microphone at just the right angle a few times. It didn't seem that bad until I downloaded the video from the camera - by then it was too late to go take new footage and I just went with it.

  • Your collection is great. Thanks for posting these vids!.

  • I don't image there are any modern speed loaders compatible with this gun, are there? The Prideaux device was only ever made in .455, right?

  • @UnusualTastes Prideaux Loaders were made in .455 Webley as well as .380 Revolver (the British government's name for their .38 S&W loads). I've seen a few in .38 but the .455 loaders seem to be more common.

    As for modern loaders - ones made for S&W K-frames or Colt D-frames will fit the .38 Enfield No2 MkI and Webley Mark IV revolvers quite well.

  • my granddad carried one of these through New Guinea towards the end of WWII...after he died the person looking after it tossed it in the ocean, I was devastated!!! are they hard to find in the US? my granddad was in the Australian infantry.

  • @wolfie83 Models with an intact hammer comb and single action notch are a bit hard to find in the US but the double action only models are pretty widespread.

    Keep an eye out on the auction sites like Gunbroker and Auction Arms or Simpson Ltd if you're trying to pick one up.

  • @DrakeGmbH thanks mate, i'll give those sites a look over...would like one to mount and frame with an image of my granddad during the war and then another to use. Whats the barrel condition like on yours? i'm guessing a lot will be surplus from the war so wouldn't have seen much use until after.

  • Now, this may seem like a stupid question but I was wondering, is it possible to flip up the barrel and actually have the cylinder close shut and lock in place, ready to fire without a possible safety hazard?

    I don't plan on actually doing this just a question I had in mind involving the Enfield ever since I've seen this technique practiced in film and gaming.

  • @Kmannnn You mean latch the barrel with the hammer cocked? Yes, it's possible, but damage will occur to the cylinder bolt and pawl if you do it repeatedly. The manuals I have state specifically to never latch the barrel with the hammer cocked. Since they're all double action anyhow, you just need to pull the trigger to rotate the cylinder and fire the next round.

  • is it an airsoft gun?

  • @Anthonysokw It certainly is NOT an airsoft gun. It was made in 1937 and fires .38 S&W cartridges. None of my videos portray airsoft guns, though the question keeps coming up.

  • Did any British officers use the .455 Webley in WW2?

  • @majorporpoise Some did, but I can't find information about whether private-purchase revolvers were still permitted during WWII or if only some units or branches received them. I know there were .455 holsters for the RAF.

    One of my Mark VI's has the name an address of an RAC officer who died in the invasion of Italy engraved on the backstrap. It bears gov't proofs but no sold-out-of-service stamps. So this was a private purchase .455 used in WW2.

    I also have 1942-dated .455 MkVI ammunition.

  • @DrakeGmbH I think the British Government stopped the private purchasing of handguns in the 1930's, but I don't know if that applied to Officers.

    I remember the WW1 stock M1911's in .455 Webley were still in extensive use in WW2 for RAF & British paratroopers.

  • I have a question: Just how are the shells ejected? Is it simply the centrifugal force or is the a discharger in the drum? By the way, pretty gun.

  • The extractor raises from the cylinder face as the revolver is hinged open. The extractor assembly is spring-loaded, once the extractor lever clears its stop the extractor resets and snaps back down - ready for loading.

    Take a look at the second Webley Mark VI & Prideaux Device video I uploaded, you can see this system with a bit more detail..

  • Thanks man.

  • @kiwdulbf no it isn t i have one and it is a "piece" that goes up when u put the barrel down and it makes the casings exit from the barrel (cylindre)

    sorry for the bad explanation i m french

  • @stealth4dead That piece is called the extractor, as I explained. It's pushed away from the cylinder by the extractor lever as the barrel is hinged open.

  • @DrakeGmbH yes thx i wanted the words cauz i m french i can explain it perfect in french but not in english i just wanted to explain to "kiwdulbf"

  • Beautiful old revolver. I hope to own one someday. Either a MKIV Webley or this. Just curious; would you trust your life with .38S&W? Hypothetically of course. I hear different arguments for and against it's proposed "stopping power". Some compare it to .32ACP or .380ACP. Where would you place it among modern calibers? Thanks, I love all the videos.

  • The intended load of a 200gr soft lead blunt-nosed bullet wasn't a slouch and performed a bit better than a .380 ACP due to the very heavy slug.

    The jacketed 180gr bullet eventually adopted by the Commonwealth for these revolvers didn't fare as well.

    For the off-the-shelf .38 S&W, I wouldn't want to have to rely on it to stop a determined attacker - but any gun is better than no gun in an emergency. 146gr's moving at a bit over 650fps isn't a real powerhouse.

  • The Webley MK 4 .38 was mean't to replace the older Webley but the government took the plans to Enfield who created this and the Enfield double action was the tankers pistol and it lost the hammer to stop it catching on things :)

    I have a Webley .38 Mk 4 :D

    Btw you have a lovely collection :)

  • When holstered in the open top 'Tanker' holster, I find the holster completely covers the hammer spur - the grip protrudes far further and would be the main part snagging on tank internals.

    It's hard to say why the revolvers were ordered to be converted to double action only.

    Between my Webley Mark IV and Enfield No2 MkI (with single action hammer) I prefer to shoot the Enfield as it has a nicer fit and finish being a prewar gun and the fatter walnut grips fit my hand better.

  • .38 Special cases can be easily trimmed down to make 38 S&W. Suggest try a couple in your Enfield to see how you get on.

  • I've been saving the brass from Magtech .38 S&W. Since it's still readily available from a few manufacturers I don't think I'll need to start modifying cases just yet.

  • how expensive is .38 S&W?

  • I usually shoot Magtech, I usually pay between $20 and $30 for 50 rounds. As with everything I shoot, ammo used to be cheaper prior to 2008.

  • These are surprisingly cheap for a WW2 pistol, I gotta get me one of these.

  • The DAO models are more common, and thus, less expensive than the single action/double action models like this one. The SA/DA No2 MkI is a much nicer shooter, however.

    Webley Mark IV revolvers are in .38 S&W as well, and don't cost much more than an Enfield No2 MkI* or MkI**. The grips are a bit more comfortable on the Enfield revolvers than the Webley Mark IV, however.

  • Is it accurate? I have heard some negative stuff about this revolvers accurancy, but it might concern only the one that has only double action... Dunno. Thanks for a great vid :)

  • This particular pistol is decently accurate. With Magtech .38 S&W 148gr I get about 1" groups at 15 yards firing in single action. The double action only version (No2 MkI**) the groups are a little larger and erratic due to the heavy trigger pull. With a bit of practice I can get it down to 1.5"-2" groups at 15 yards. The double action only versions weren't intended to be tack-drivers, but to be close-range last-ditch defensive weapons - able to hit a man reliably at 25 yards.

  • Hi fellaws; Got have a little problem. I have an ENFIELD WEBLEY 32 S&W pistol. To unload the gun U have to break open the pistol then the bullets fall out automatically. On mine the bullets fall out but the extractor item stays out. Shouldn't after extracting the empty bullets the extractor resets? Any help on gunsmithing tips would greatly appreciate. I like the pistol but i dont know anything about the ENFIELD WEBLEY & I dont want damage it trying to fix it.

  • Do you have any model information for your pistol? A Mark or Model number would be helpful. If it is a Webley, likely the resetting problem lies in the extractor spring or the extractor lever. I'll send you a message with a few links to diagrams to help you identify these parts.

  • Hey Buddy; There are no MARK #'s just the serial #, other #'s, 44, & CAL 38.

    One thing, you can only shoot it double action. The pistol doesn't have the hammer extension for single action.

    You can;t pull the hammer back for single action shooting. I was told it was an ENFIELD revolver based on the WEBLEY model. Anymore help would greatly appreciate it. I did go to the library & checked out a book called Disasembly of revolvers but cant figure out this extraction problem Thanks bud

  • What you have is an Enfield No2 MkI**, the double action only version of the No2 MkI. The problem may lie in the extractor lever or it may just need a thorough cleaning. I'll put together a video tonight to show you how to remove and install the extractor parts.

  • $400 for an unmodified No2 MkI (with single action) is not a bad price as most had their hammers neutered.

    I'm not certain if the $700 gun you mentioned is a Mark VI (the older, large frame .455 pistol) or a Mark IV (the smaller frame .38 S&W pistol). A Mark IV .38 usually fetches $300-400.

    A Mark VI has a broader price range depending on whether the cylinder has been cut for .45 ACP or not. In original .455 Webley they sell upwards of $500, modified pistols are worth less.

  • I apologize. I was mistaking a Mark VI for a Mark IV and the Mark IV for the pistol in your video.

    I don't know much about Webleys but I sure do want one.

    Thanks for the information, sir.

  • Mistaking an Enfield No2 MkI for a Webley Mark IV is no difficult task. They are so similar Webley & Scott sued the British government to cover their design and production costs for the Mark IV when the gov't rejected their design and instead adopted the Enfield-made revolver.

  • Just a caution to those of us that have .45 ACP converted Webleys***DO NOT fire factory GI spec .45 ACP in these guns as the pressue is 19,000 CUP virtually a proof lead to the Webley. The .455 Webley/Eley is loaded to about 11,000 CUP. The best solution is to DOWNLOAD the .45 ACP or .45 Auto-Rim to about 600-700 fps with lead bullets in the 225-270 grain weight range. This will keep your Webley from excessive wear or catastrophic failure.....I have seen the BAD results with .45 ACP.

  • My local range is selling one of these for $400 and a Mk.IV for $700. (And it's sad they labeled the ammo as .45 LC using black powder loads...)

    Is it even worth these prices?

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