U should check Henin Topspin forehand slowmotion they have like EXACT same focus on the ball pretty amazing the forehand is much more similar to the one of Henin then the backhand:))
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Actually, it's a biomechanical matter; you want to keep looking at the ball and then to your contact point and keep focus on this until your motion is completed. Your head can throw you off balance if you do not keep your eyes there and you may loose focus onto the matter of the game - the yellow ball.
Freeze frame at 0:18. He's a rare player who looks straight at contact point, but it's not the idea of looking there.
@jingwah You must have impressive hand-eye coordination! I have tried it on occassions but I can't seem to hit consistently with it - though admittedly it feels AWESOME when it connects :)
You can see how fast his arm accelerates just a few seconds just before the racket contacts the ball. An interesting pointer to any people practicing tennis, as the fast acceleration allows the arm to travel up towards the shoulder faster, and thus creating a much more dangerous top-spin.
One of the reasons why his follow through looks different from other players is that he is using an Eastern (some call it semi-Western) grip while simultaneously hitting more of a "windshield wiper" motion.
You end up with a hybrid between the two: not quite as "windshield wiper" as many of the pro players these days such as Djokovic, and not quite as much straight follow through as the classic forehand a la Sampras.
Yes, but it also means you got hell of a problem off high balls. If you're athletic and have flexible joints, if you pay attention to having a very good technic, it can be done.
However, if you are like many people, even people in very good shape and very good at many sports, if you don't have this ease with jumping and stretching yourself, it will be hard to hit well off high balls.
I must agree that if you can do it, it can hardly get more aggressive.
There are many many many very tiny details this player makes you have to pay attention to in order to get all those different forhand swings right with that classical grip and that modern spin...
It is not necessarily the ideal for every player.
Yes, too many details that go into this shot to describe in a concise YT comment.
Not many (or no one at all) can copy his FH to achieve the same results, but nonetheless, the values that can be learned from his FH can inspire a whole new generation of tennis players.
There are numerous player on YT alone that already try to apply his form and learn from his example.
I did tried to take his example... It works quite fine, but it took me hundreds and hundreds of strokes and hours of viewing to get an idea of which elements were the key components and what had to be changed in my swing.
I do look like a bit like him, but I do not twist my motion in all ways to be looking like Roger - the best thing you can get out of his forehand is how natural and loose he is. Swing and let it go and you will see someday what is a powerful shot - it will be your stroke.
Exactly. Never try to copy only the look of a stroke. Try to understand how, when, from where the player is generating power. If you can do that and apply it, then your stroke will look like theirs naturally.
I agree "natural and loose" is how anyone should hit, if they are comfortable with their motion. That's another reason people should learn from the principles of other players' power generation-not merely the look.
Try throwing something as far as you can with accuracy you will end up with the same motion as the guys mentioned below. the same principle applies with trying to hit a tennis ball as hard as you can, but with accuracy. There is a reason why all other sports use this method in their throwing or hitting technique. Federer,Nadal,Verdasco,Del Potro, all forehands in the game today who use this technique.
When players serve they begin with a bent arm then straighten out on impact with the ball for added power and accuracy, this is the same method the top guys use but incorporate it in their forehands. All professional throwing and hitting sports use the same method (badminton,baseball,golf,javerlin etc...) they all use the same motion. (bent arm to straighten arm) If these pros use a bent arm when throwing or hitting on impact they will lose some power and accuracy.
Federer uses a straight arm on impact with the ball, the only other pros on tour who use this method of hitting a forehand is Nadal, Verdasco, Del Potro, and these guys hit the forehand with more power and accuracy than most in my epinion.
You don't move the wrist; it's a consquence of your arm moving. You do let it loose behind, but as your arm gets passed a certain angle, it starts going sidways, but your hand must continue forward (newton's first law) until it is dragged laterally. From this moment, it starts whipping.
hes just so unbelievably compact. no extra motion, his body isn't all over the place. There's nothing flashy to his forehand, but again, its so compact, and so concise, that its truly a great shot. its like the brazilians in soccer. They are very good at every basic step that they can pull off amazing moves
It's debatable whether Federer has the best forehand in tennis.
What's unique is 2 things: 1) his head remains still throughout the shot & even after completion of the stroke. This helps consistency & stability. 2) He whips his wrist (switching from the butt of the racket to the head) just before striking, which creates a rubberband effect and increases racket head speed just before contact. The tactic is flexible; u can flatten or put topspin on the ball, depending on racket face closure.
What's even more amazing is his concentration. He watches the ball the whole way through the swing.. I'd say very few do that. Most gage where the ball is going to be then swing. He watches it into the racqet!
@BWpepperr, part of the wrist is immobile. You will notice that the wrist flexion remains the same. However, the motion of the racket swivels along the perpendicular axis of the wrist bend. Picture the hand moving counter-clockwise along the clock face. The wrist remains locked but the range motion is fluid along the perpendicular axis.
It's this range of motion that provides the whipping action and produces tremendous racket head speed just before and during ball contact.
It's down to his swing technique and follow through. He hits the ball at a higher point and turns his body through it. This causes the elbow to bend naturally follow through much lower than a normal forehand. Look up windshield wiper forehands
I know what they are good man. I use one myself. though I've changed to a straight arm for more power. I know that most pro's use double bend forehand.
No pro players have a formal (conventionnal if you prefer) Windshield wiper. Always a variation to it. Federer is a great example of that, perhaps even the best example.
Look at the swing path and follow-through. Very similar to a Windshield wiper. But, he finishes way higher and uses a more diagonal burshing path than most pros with bent elbows.
A weird, but effective mixture of classical and modern forehands, Federer's FH is a pure beauty.
I agree but if you watch Roddick, then you will see that he has an extreme windshield wiper forehand. For a long time I had roddicks follow through but it was too difficult to control the direction of the ball. It seemed to almost always go straight
No seriously, you're right about the classic forehand blend with modern forehand.
He has the advantage of being able to hit flat effectively with Eastern grip (some say semi-western, I say whatever) but the motion allows him to be able to hit topspin too unlike the straighter stroke of the classical forehand.
What the people think is not valuable, nor a proof of anything in any way. They gat amazed by little and marvel at some styles; most of them doesn't have an idea about what makes a serve efficient...
Consider Sampras' game and the courts he was playing on; you needed to play a passing shot off the return... This kind of enhance many stats.
It helps everything about it because his aggressive game made player cheat a bit on position, get little nearer, etc.
Were you saying Sampras's serve is overrated because the surfaces were faster during the 90's?
Because if that's what you're saying, I disagree. There were significantly faster serves in the 90's than Sampras's, so speed's obviously not why Sampras's serve is uniformly (by both the laymen you discount and experts) considered the best.
Considering consistency, reliability, disguise, accuracy, variety, and especially BIOMECHANICS Sampras's serve is the best.
I explained you how a serve, like Sampras', can look so amazing.
What I tried to explain you is that we cannot consider that his serve was necessarily in direct relation with his serving stats, in a first time, because of his game play and, in a second time, because of the faster surfaces.
I had a problem with your justification because you mentionned "people" and I tried to explain you that an aggressive game help your serve as much as a good serve helps your game.
Oh I see. No. I was only referring to the serve itself, not his entire attacking game (which is phenomenal, but that's a different story).
Like I said his serve is the best not in terms of mph or kmph only but because of:consistency, reliability, disguise, accuracy, variety, and especially BIOMECHANICS.
yodavidnavarro said fed's fh is the best shot in any sport, and I nominated Sampras's serve to be the best shot in tennis.
biomechanically, I would argue that Federer seems quite more relaxed and is surely more energy efficient and I couldsurely speak of Roddick being more explosive.
You're comparing Fed's FH to Pete's serve now? OK.
Yes, Fed's FH is efficient and no one would argue it's not elegant.
But I'd argue service motions in general require far more athleticism than forehands.
And of the more athletic motion, Pete's serve is the most relaxed, efficient, and elegant service motion.
He has the highest spin/speed ratio of any other serve (credit to his efficient power generation and technique) and he did so the most fluidly and relaxed way.
No, I meant Federer's serve. I have to tell you that Federer is certainly more efficient, even on the serve. I do not compare both serves saying that Federer's is better; I was talking of energy efficiency.
And for spin, Roddick's serve has about 100rpm lesser than Pete's, but goes some 5-10mph faster. These are not estimations; here are your numbers:
Pete: 2500rpm/130mph
Roddick: 2400/138mph
The experienced was carried out with 14 serves of each players. All first serves.
Furthermore, w/ the increased popularization of the internet (and YouTube) and pop mass-appeal of today's players, I'd argue the same as what you said of the players in the 90's for today's players:
Namely that people are even MORE apt to "get amazed by" the glitz "style" and hype due to internet sensationalizing and peer pressure to like the popular player.
Recall Sampras wasn't most popular at all-he was regarded as boring & unshowmanly & YET STILL regarded as having the best serve.
Sampras's serve was the most dominant. He cruised on his serve. Very similar technique to Federer but slightly more power and accuracy. Every other shot of Federer's is better than Sampras's.
Sampras' serve was very different, not only to Federer's, but to any other serve.
Sampras's results were more dominant, but simply looking at his biomechanics, his serve was very different. He had amazing flexibility first of all that allowed for greater range of movement and better leverage. He also had much more trunk rotation and the best pronation for racket head speed of all time that produced the highest ratio of spin and pace than any other serve. Studies have been done on it
Don't worry too much about grips. The grip you use should be more dependent on what angle of the racquet face you make contact with and what is comfortable for you.
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nadal is going to beat federer every time they meet in the french open finals until federer retires, and he will beat federer in all grand slam finals because he lost to nadal since the french open of last year, and federer isnt getting any better or younger, so thats it for him
Federer has probably the best forehand in history enuff said. Nadal just beats him because he abuses his backhand with high balls and he just gets in his head, Federer has lost his belief now but i wish he could just get a god damn coach and stop relying on Mirka. He can beat Nadal man he just needs to convert on his 1235 break points and hit his god damn backhand return.
I know Federer can't get a GOD DAMN break of Nadal's GOD Damn serve. If Federer could just convert on one or two of those GOD DAMN chances, he would win the GOD DAMN match.
first of all its not worse its worst. secondly you're forgetting that federer isnt in his prime and Nadal is. thirdly how can you say his forehand is bad?...His forehand is incredible. I'd like to see your forehand
so if youre saying federer is the most technically flawless player, then whats nadal. hes just better than federer. i mean once federer retires theres really no one in nadals way to beat sampras's record.
Nadal started at a really young age i think 16? thats why he has 6 slams already federer got 6 slams in two years! 3/year with less injuries... wanna know whats going to stop nadal... his KNEES!! got injured against murray last night!
there is no doubt that nadal has a more solid game because of his style of play. however with the heavy toll on nadal's body, it's not certain that federer is going to retire before nadal... if federer so wishes, he can probably win a bunch of major double's titles in his 30's.
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federer sucks under pressure unlike nadal who is never pressured always stays in the moment and never looks back. He's just mentally and physically stronger than federer
Cant be serious. Even under pressure, when Nadal supposedly had this cool mind, it took him 5 sets against someone who was playing poorly. reevaluate ur precious nadal please..
Federer plays precision tennis which leaves him with a small margin of error. Nadal however plays with so much margin because of the spin and angle of his shots. Its in Nadal's nature to be more solid during pressure moments. And what about the 2007 Wimbledon? I guess Federer wasn't under pressure during that final because he won in a cool 5 sets.
Are u serious. He has one the second most amount of Grand Slams under his belt, aswell as multiple records. Don't comment on something u know nothing about.
Ur a fucking idiot. He has been called one of the most technically flawless player in tennis history. He just does not feel comfortable playing Nadal because he attacks his only weakness. Ur a fucking dumbass.
you know who else has the same problem? EVERYBODY...you cant say someone has many flaws in there game just because they have a hard time playing "their" game against nadal...ITS FUCKING RAFAEL NADAL FOR CHRISTS SAKE...against all other players federer is almost flawless...of course, no one player is perfect
come check out my forehnad and maybe give me some advice how to improve it will make my day :)
kostenis 1 month ago
I love federer soo much!!!!!!! I play tennis too and his form is so clean and solid. He is so smooth when he hits the ball and he shows no emotion.
dreamgirlz165 1 month ago
i love his form ! Federer is the best for me ^^
samurinannie 2 months ago
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Elegant, Powerful, Precise, Devastating... Master absolved from the tennis !
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JAKOPRO111 3 months ago
@Wickedman526 forgetting one more no?
Khanhachan409 3 months ago
Elegant, Powerful, Precise, Devastating... Master absolved from the tennis !
Artique2a 4 months ago 3
what's the grip his using? *_* please reply asap i'm going to report about tennis in our P.E.
theElvenfairy 4 months ago
@theElvenfairy
Federer uses a eastern forehand grip for his forehand. I guess that's the grip he is using in this shot in the video.
TheTennisMan11 2 months ago
Look at how still his head is the whole time. It's as if it has been stuck on.
PianoPlayingMonkey 4 months ago 2
You just watched Perfection
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If there was some epic music in the backround this video would be perfect
TheSamRapp 5 months ago
DAT forehand!
waya121 6 months ago
look at the concentration and how he keeps his eyes on the ball.
tai1boy 6 months ago
Living legend
eddyckiwi 6 months ago
The only reason his back hand is considered a weakness is because his forehand is God-like.
yodakaiwi 7 months ago 3
If you pause at the right time, at 0:18 the ball deforms, looked like it sunk into the racquet during the impact :).
ale03000 7 months ago
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@ale03000 of course it did
d1ez3 6 months ago
well, the technique is as good as it get´s, along with the great plow through he get´s on it as well..
extradutyfelt1 8 months ago
They should just delete all forehand slow motion videos and replace them with Roger's.
federerfanguy 9 months ago
Federers forehand is sick!!
Tried copying him as a kid, watch my latest vid and see if you can tell
fedex19912000 10 months ago
once did that and the ball returned to me in to parts
zacharymoonzlight97 10 months ago
Holy crap! Y is his left hand all skinny?!?!
TheMRFrozenWaffle 10 months ago
Federer é fodelão!
exor287 10 months ago
Why does he allways hit topspin ???
maatonne 10 months ago
federer doesnt come to the ball ... the ball comes to him
MrInception12 1 year ago 10
if there is a perfect style , that is it
EisaiRompa 1 year ago
you can see the biomechnical chain perfectly...
hypercarbon 1 year ago
Optimumtennis . net for free roger federer forehand analysis
optimumtennis 1 year ago
Just... wow.. perfect, nothing said
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Rafa Nadal is so classy. true king. Nadal LOVE :)
federerbestcIass 1 year ago
@federerbestcIass Did u say Rafa!?!?
Balugavic 11 months ago
well....we all must admit that it is just like our tennis classes told us to do....fuck...
joka2103 1 year ago
search "John Reed Tennis" for more great tips and examples from kids
jrock0516 1 year ago
Just perfect!
DjBeher 1 year ago
Federer's forehand and Nadal's forehand are complete opposites.
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I can't stop laughing. Hitler upset with Federer and Nadal lol.
/watch?v=SeMcyamz-g8
OreoCookieOreo 1 year ago
The peak of genius is here; AO2007 was one of the greatest single tournament performances ever.
Ledwix 1 year ago
This video will get removed because our Mortal eyes aren't good enough for this.
cryps1 1 year ago
perfection.
caesoxfan04 1 year ago
My forehand is better
JazzMitrich 1 year ago
U should check Henin Topspin forehand slowmotion they have like EXACT same focus on the ball pretty amazing the forehand is much more similar to the one of Henin then the backhand:))
janjan55555 1 year ago
his eyes never leave the ball until it contacts the racquet. he's so composed and focused...
rayn888 1 year ago
@rayn888
Yes. And he never looks up until the racket is almost behind his head.
sdk58 1 year ago
his left hand is like a twig.....
WuIzMe 1 year ago
sick
14roddick 1 year ago
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2knowfun2 1 year ago
I think he uses an eastern grip--not semi western.
jaspermatty 1 year ago
is Federer semi- western???
and wow! he has so much confidence dat he doesnt even look at the ball after hitting it! hahaha
16888ocean 1 year ago
@16888ocean
Actually, it's a biomechanical matter; you want to keep looking at the ball and then to your contact point and keep focus on this until your motion is completed. Your head can throw you off balance if you do not keep your eyes there and you may loose focus onto the matter of the game - the yellow ball.
Freeze frame at 0:18. He's a rare player who looks straight at contact point, but it's not the idea of looking there.
GueorguiJoukov 1 year ago
i love his form and i use it to
jingwah 1 year ago 10
@jingwah You must have impressive hand-eye coordination! I have tried it on occassions but I can't seem to hit consistently with it - though admittedly it feels AWESOME when it connects :)
bluebill0124 3 weeks ago
You can see how fast his arm accelerates just a few seconds just before the racket contacts the ball. An interesting pointer to any people practicing tennis, as the fast acceleration allows the arm to travel up towards the shoulder faster, and thus creating a much more dangerous top-spin.
cooldra1 1 year ago
its called he knows his timing unlike u-_-
crazypaul97 1 year ago
im talkin to coldra1
crazypaul97 1 year ago
Seemes so epic.
cyanrazorCel 1 year ago 3
does anyone have any tips for my forehand on my videos?
shotyboy 1 year ago
its too perfect!!! im blinded!!
tennisofhoyoungwon 2 years ago 58
@tennisofhoyoungwon no your just gey -_-
jingwah 1 year ago
One of the reasons why his follow through looks different from other players is that he is using an Eastern (some call it semi-Western) grip while simultaneously hitting more of a "windshield wiper" motion.
You end up with a hybrid between the two: not quite as "windshield wiper" as many of the pro players these days such as Djokovic, and not quite as much straight follow through as the classic forehand a la Sampras.
You get the best of both worlds.
miltyu97 2 years ago 2
people dont call the eastern grip a semi-western
they are 2 different grips
utkarsh12 2 years ago
OK.
miltyu97 2 years ago
Yes, but it also means you got hell of a problem off high balls. If you're athletic and have flexible joints, if you pay attention to having a very good technic, it can be done.
However, if you are like many people, even people in very good shape and very good at many sports, if you don't have this ease with jumping and stretching yourself, it will be hard to hit well off high balls.
I must agree that if you can do it, it can hardly get more aggressive.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
There are many many many very tiny details this player makes you have to pay attention to in order to get all those different forhand swings right with that classical grip and that modern spin...
It is not necessarily the ideal for every player.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
Yes, too many details that go into this shot to describe in a concise YT comment.
Not many (or no one at all) can copy his FH to achieve the same results, but nonetheless, the values that can be learned from his FH can inspire a whole new generation of tennis players.
There are numerous player on YT alone that already try to apply his form and learn from his example.
miltyu97 2 years ago
I did tried to take his example... It works quite fine, but it took me hundreds and hundreds of strokes and hours of viewing to get an idea of which elements were the key components and what had to be changed in my swing.
I do look like a bit like him, but I do not twist my motion in all ways to be looking like Roger - the best thing you can get out of his forehand is how natural and loose he is. Swing and let it go and you will see someday what is a powerful shot - it will be your stroke.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
Exactly. Never try to copy only the look of a stroke. Try to understand how, when, from where the player is generating power. If you can do that and apply it, then your stroke will look like theirs naturally.
I agree "natural and loose" is how anyone should hit, if they are comfortable with their motion. That's another reason people should learn from the principles of other players' power generation-not merely the look.
miltyu97 2 years ago
The simplest way for me (so far) to describe Fed's forehand power generation principles:
Use short backswing,
Use TRUNK to DRAG arm,
Use toes (either is fine depending if closed or open stance) as pivot or COUNTERPOINT,
Totally STOP trunk to transfer energy to arm,
Accelerate arm and wrist late just before contact to ball,
Make contact with ball way in front of body,
Keep eye glued to ball and contact point,
Follow through.
miltyu97 2 years ago
go go go..!!!!
aidzter03 2 years ago
Try throwing something as far as you can with accuracy you will end up with the same motion as the guys mentioned below. the same principle applies with trying to hit a tennis ball as hard as you can, but with accuracy. There is a reason why all other sports use this method in their throwing or hitting technique. Federer,Nadal,Verdasco,Del Potro, all forehands in the game today who use this technique.
monkeybloke 2 years ago
When players serve they begin with a bent arm then straighten out on impact with the ball for added power and accuracy, this is the same method the top guys use but incorporate it in their forehands. All professional throwing and hitting sports use the same method (badminton,baseball,golf,javerlin etc...) they all use the same motion. (bent arm to straighten arm) If these pros use a bent arm when throwing or hitting on impact they will lose some power and accuracy.
monkeybloke 2 years ago
Federer uses a straight arm on impact with the ball, the only other pros on tour who use this method of hitting a forehand is Nadal, Verdasco, Del Potro, and these guys hit the forehand with more power and accuracy than most in my epinion.
monkeybloke 2 years ago 2
ya but you have to snap youre wrist right b4 contact
mariojackfoo 2 years ago
You don't move the wrist; it's a consquence of your arm moving. You do let it loose behind, but as your arm gets passed a certain angle, it starts going sidways, but your hand must continue forward (newton's first law) until it is dragged laterally. From this moment, it starts whipping.
But, it's not a direct movement.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
@GueorguiJoukov you lead with ure hip into the shot and then let ure arm drag back
mariojackfoo 1 year ago
he's very skinny is his arms!
this must help his acceleration when hitting the ball...he is very "wristy"
AlphaDraconis7 2 years ago
Federer should patent his strokes!
tim818 2 years ago 60
Doesnt matter. No ones good enough to copy that!
picothedog77 2 years ago 5
@tim818 haha nah no one is good enough to copy it
picothedog77 1 year ago
@tim818 lol how many major have you won?
MrTennisMenace 1 year ago
@tim818
there's no need to patent his strokes.
no one else can do it
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@tim818 you don't need to patent something that can't be copied
JoesPlayPen 4 months ago 3
PERFECT! Only one question; how can the absorb the shock if it's vibrating like crazy?
andrevega12345 2 years ago
at that speed you cant feel/notice the vibration.
sameemas2 2 years ago
Well you can, but unless you hit it off center it feels "correct"
ReSmartedMAN 2 years ago 2
game,set and match.roger federer
!!!!
spooky0834 2 years ago
wow
VUKASKO96 2 years ago
perfect!
pacoraz 2 years ago
hes just so unbelievably compact. no extra motion, his body isn't all over the place. There's nothing flashy to his forehand, but again, its so compact, and so concise, that its truly a great shot. its like the brazilians in soccer. They are very good at every basic step that they can pull off amazing moves
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GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
It's debatable whether Federer has the best forehand in tennis.
What's unique is 2 things: 1) his head remains still throughout the shot & even after completion of the stroke. This helps consistency & stability. 2) He whips his wrist (switching from the butt of the racket to the head) just before striking, which creates a rubberband effect and increases racket head speed just before contact. The tactic is flexible; u can flatten or put topspin on the ball, depending on racket face closure.
dparad22 2 years ago 3
What's even more amazing is his concentration. He watches the ball the whole way through the swing.. I'd say very few do that. Most gage where the ball is going to be then swing. He watches it into the racqet!
lockgiants 2 years ago 2
Sampras, best forehand ever, so flat but unbelievably accurate. Agassi, best returner ever.
jordanshah 2 years ago
Sampras best running forehand ever. But I'd have to say Federer gets the title of best standing forehand ever.
Agassi best standing return ever. I'd have to say Federer is better returning at full stretch.
miltyu97 2 years ago
His wrist looks immobile, can you elaborate more on this?I've been researching pronation a lot and it's interesting.
BWpepperr 2 years ago
@BWpepperr, part of the wrist is immobile. You will notice that the wrist flexion remains the same. However, the motion of the racket swivels along the perpendicular axis of the wrist bend. Picture the hand moving counter-clockwise along the clock face. The wrist remains locked but the range motion is fluid along the perpendicular axis.
It's this range of motion that provides the whipping action and produces tremendous racket head speed just before and during ball contact.
dparad22 2 years ago
@dparad22 - so does that mean federer accelerates his racket faster than others before contact to get the "whip" motion?
BWpepperr 2 years ago
@BWpepperr - yes. Federer's acceleration is faster than most, making his forehand one of the best.
dparad22 2 years ago
It's down to his swing technique and follow through. He hits the ball at a higher point and turns his body through it. This causes the elbow to bend naturally follow through much lower than a normal forehand. Look up windshield wiper forehands
ah156 2 years ago
I know what they are good man. I use one myself. though I've changed to a straight arm for more power. I know that most pro's use double bend forehand.
BWpepperr 2 years ago
If Federer does it, why would it be bad?
No pro players have a formal (conventionnal if you prefer) Windshield wiper. Always a variation to it. Federer is a great example of that, perhaps even the best example.
Look at the swing path and follow-through. Very similar to a Windshield wiper. But, he finishes way higher and uses a more diagonal burshing path than most pros with bent elbows.
A weird, but effective mixture of classical and modern forehands, Federer's FH is a pure beauty.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago 3
I agree but if you watch Roddick, then you will see that he has an extreme windshield wiper forehand. For a long time I had roddicks follow through but it was too difficult to control the direction of the ball. It seemed to almost always go straight
sdn14 2 years ago
If Federer does it, it's probably not that bad.
No seriously, you're right about the classic forehand blend with modern forehand.
He has the advantage of being able to hit flat effectively with Eastern grip (some say semi-western, I say whatever) but the motion allows him to be able to hit topspin too unlike the straighter stroke of the classical forehand.
Best of both worlds.
miltyu97 2 years ago
Federer's forehand is undoubtly the best shot ever played by any sportman in any sport!
yodavidnavarro 2 years ago 2
I like Laver's backhand the most - pure beauty and power.
mrbobevans 2 years ago 2
Kilger's 106mph slap shot in Leaf's camp in 2006 wasn't bad too! ALthough he didn't acomplished anything, he got a solid there!
Raymond Bourque has legendary accuracy and that's how A defensemen hit 411 goals in career!
Nolan Ryan's fastball was quite a thing to see too.
But, I have to give him the best shot in tennis and he surely overtake any other player i nany other sport at anytime when it comes to gracefulness.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
Sampras serve.
Need I say more?
There a good reason why when people think serve, people automatically think Sampras.
miltyu97 2 years ago
@miltyu97
What the people think is not valuable, nor a proof of anything in any way. They gat amazed by little and marvel at some styles; most of them doesn't have an idea about what makes a serve efficient...
Consider Sampras' game and the courts he was playing on; you needed to play a passing shot off the return... This kind of enhance many stats.
It helps everything about it because his aggressive game made player cheat a bit on position, get little nearer, etc.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
I'm sorry I missed your point.
Were you saying Sampras's serve is overrated because the surfaces were faster during the 90's?
Because if that's what you're saying, I disagree. There were significantly faster serves in the 90's than Sampras's, so speed's obviously not why Sampras's serve is uniformly (by both the laymen you discount and experts) considered the best.
Considering consistency, reliability, disguise, accuracy, variety, and especially BIOMECHANICS Sampras's serve is the best.
miltyu97 2 years ago
I explained you how a serve, like Sampras', can look so amazing.
What I tried to explain you is that we cannot consider that his serve was necessarily in direct relation with his serving stats, in a first time, because of his game play and, in a second time, because of the faster surfaces.
I had a problem with your justification because you mentionned "people" and I tried to explain you that an aggressive game help your serve as much as a good serve helps your game.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
Oh I see. No. I was only referring to the serve itself, not his entire attacking game (which is phenomenal, but that's a different story).
Like I said his serve is the best not in terms of mph or kmph only but because of:consistency, reliability, disguise, accuracy, variety, and especially BIOMECHANICS.
yodavidnavarro said fed's fh is the best shot in any sport, and I nominated Sampras's serve to be the best shot in tennis.
miltyu97 2 years ago
biomechanically, I would argue that Federer seems quite more relaxed and is surely more energy efficient and I couldsurely speak of Roddick being more explosive.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
You're comparing Fed's FH to Pete's serve now? OK.
Yes, Fed's FH is efficient and no one would argue it's not elegant.
But I'd argue service motions in general require far more athleticism than forehands.
And of the more athletic motion, Pete's serve is the most relaxed, efficient, and elegant service motion.
He has the highest spin/speed ratio of any other serve (credit to his efficient power generation and technique) and he did so the most fluidly and relaxed way.
miltyu97 2 years ago
No, I meant Federer's serve. I have to tell you that Federer is certainly more efficient, even on the serve. I do not compare both serves saying that Federer's is better; I was talking of energy efficiency.
And for spin, Roddick's serve has about 100rpm lesser than Pete's, but goes some 5-10mph faster. These are not estimations; here are your numbers:
Pete: 2500rpm/130mph
Roddick: 2400/138mph
The experienced was carried out with 14 serves of each players. All first serves.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
Pete: 2500rpm/130mph
Roddick: 2400/138mph:
Yeah that's the study I was talking about too-which shows Pete has higher spin/speed ratio.
Pete's serve is definitely more energy efficient than Rog's.
Due to increased flexibility, Pete gets better leverage angles.
Due to better technique, he gets more energy transfer from the trunk to the arm which...
Facilitates more pronation of the arm and gives him both faster serves and higher spin.
miltyu97 2 years ago
Furthermore, w/ the increased popularization of the internet (and YouTube) and pop mass-appeal of today's players, I'd argue the same as what you said of the players in the 90's for today's players:
Namely that people are even MORE apt to "get amazed by" the glitz "style" and hype due to internet sensationalizing and peer pressure to like the popular player.
Recall Sampras wasn't most popular at all-he was regarded as boring & unshowmanly & YET STILL regarded as having the best serve.
miltyu97 2 years ago
Sampras's serve was the most dominant. He cruised on his serve. Very similar technique to Federer but slightly more power and accuracy. Every other shot of Federer's is better than Sampras's.
Snaurt 2 years ago 2
I'm sorry.
Sampras' serve was very different, not only to Federer's, but to any other serve.
Sampras's results were more dominant, but simply looking at his biomechanics, his serve was very different. He had amazing flexibility first of all that allowed for greater range of movement and better leverage. He also had much more trunk rotation and the best pronation for racket head speed of all time that produced the highest ratio of spin and pace than any other serve. Studies have been done on it
miltyu97 1 year ago
that was a top spin
eltano343 2 years ago
I do love watching his beautiful forehands, very unique and very artistic.
suthiloka 2 years ago 3
the beauty of tennis ............
PChomosapienssapiens 2 years ago
also The Best of tennis xD
Gorosu 2 years ago
look at how at 0:13-16, his raquet actually deforms.
Coolfunster 2 years ago
Optical illusion + fast movement = 'deformation'
Federer's the greatest... EVER!
MCMBPR 2 years ago
well spotted.
19rey93 2 years ago
nop..it's eastern..watch carefully at his heel pad which located at 3rd pebble of the tennis grip it's a Eastern for sure
MapleDynasty 2 years ago 4
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semi western.
RockyPeeters008 2 years ago
pebble LMAO its bevel
polipoli7 2 years ago 2
Don't worry too much about grips. The grip you use should be more dependent on what angle of the racquet face you make contact with and what is comfortable for you.
666devil6662136 2 years ago 2
Is Federer hitting a windshield wiper forehand?
Zozim57 2 years ago
Yes
VideoUnrelated 2 years ago
that's semi western grip.
Pandemic2 2 years ago
pure tennis.
lazios 2 years ago
フェデラーのこのスイング。とにかくキレイですよね。テニスの経験のない人が見てもフォームがキレイに見えます。
This federers forehand・・. Its simply "beautiful", isn't it? Even a person with no experience in tennis feels it's beauty.
GREED1SLAND 2 years ago 6
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tingap13 2 years ago
bisakol amf
polipoli7 2 years ago
is he doing a windshield wiper forehand?
jcopelandd 2 years ago
yes
VideoUnrelated 2 years ago
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Federer's forehand is shit. Nicholas Kiefers is the best followed by Nickolay Davydenko.
lilhu93 2 years ago
nice shot
NikeTennisBoy 2 years ago
Mutating elbow at 0.25s :S
ZzFactorzZ 2 years ago 2
yeah ouch
deafy321 2 years ago
Federology = Study of Federer's tennis strokes/serves.
uniquehand 2 years ago 7
Federal = Everything Federer everywhere.
JJLOB 2 years ago
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nadalogy= study or nadals tennis strokes/serves
yankyank92 2 years ago
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nadal is going to beat federer every time they meet in the french open finals until federer retires, and he will beat federer in all grand slam finals because he lost to nadal since the french open of last year, and federer isnt getting any better or younger, so thats it for him
daigunder35 2 years ago
Nadal = Nasal. (from you that is)
JJLOB 2 years ago
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nadal is better and will have more gs titles than roger.
ljubaa93 2 years ago
Federer has probably the best forehand in history enuff said. Nadal just beats him because he abuses his backhand with high balls and he just gets in his head, Federer has lost his belief now but i wish he could just get a god damn coach and stop relying on Mirka. He can beat Nadal man he just needs to convert on his 1235 break points and hit his god damn backhand return.
aguy296 2 years ago 3
I know Federer can't get a GOD DAMN break of Nadal's GOD Damn serve. If Federer could just convert on one or two of those GOD DAMN chances, he would win the GOD DAMN match.
Glorgig 2 years ago
GODDAMMIT! lol!
geepeeone 2 years ago 3
Our wish has come true... I just read federer got a coach, It's Darren Cahill. This was released on 9th March. He is australian btw.
Team3xtreme 2 years ago
fail. he didn't, didn't even sign. please research your things.
E121C 2 years ago
Your right, I just got a bit excited it was just a 9 day thing or something like that. My bad.
Team3xtreme 2 years ago
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he has the worse forehand in history
daigunder35 2 years ago
first of all its not worse its worst. secondly you're forgetting that federer isnt in his prime and Nadal is. thirdly how can you say his forehand is bad?...His forehand is incredible. I'd like to see your forehand
addioverby 2 years ago 3
Nadal has 6 grand slams and hes only 22 yrs old or was it 21. Federer didnt have as much grand slam wins as nadal did at 22 yrs old.
daigunder35 2 years ago
so if youre saying federer is the most technically flawless player, then whats nadal. hes just better than federer. i mean once federer retires theres really no one in nadals way to beat sampras's record.
daigunder35 2 years ago
dumbass, your arguments are utterly senseless.
uniquehand 2 years ago
Nadal started at a really young age i think 16? thats why he has 6 slams already federer got 6 slams in two years! 3/year with less injuries... wanna know whats going to stop nadal... his KNEES!! got injured against murray last night!
tolendoi123 2 years ago 4
there is no doubt that nadal has a more solid game because of his style of play. however with the heavy toll on nadal's body, it's not certain that federer is going to retire before nadal... if federer so wishes, he can probably win a bunch of major double's titles in his 30's.
yvesmagic 2 years ago
All i can say is that nadal beat him the last three meets they had and 709041 can say that it WAS ALL LUCK if he wants too. thts ur excuse
daigunder35 2 years ago
Federer won 13 grand slams i think he can handle pressure unlike you..
ethanmurao 2 years ago
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federer sucks under pressure unlike nadal who is never pressured always stays in the moment and never looks back. He's just mentally and physically stronger than federer
daigunder35 3 years ago
Cant be serious. Even under pressure, when Nadal supposedly had this cool mind, it took him 5 sets against someone who was playing poorly. reevaluate ur precious nadal please..
709041 3 years ago
rofl yes the guy who has won 13 grand slams sucks under pressure.......
you're a fucking dumbass
cyb0027 3 years ago
Federer plays precision tennis which leaves him with a small margin of error. Nadal however plays with so much margin because of the spin and angle of his shots. Its in Nadal's nature to be more solid during pressure moments. And what about the 2007 Wimbledon? I guess Federer wasn't under pressure during that final because he won in a cool 5 sets.
skyvaulter13 3 years ago
Are u serious. He has one the second most amount of Grand Slams under his belt, aswell as multiple records. Don't comment on something u know nothing about.
lilhu93 2 years ago
he has so many flaws when he faces nadal. he just gets real tight and starts missing
daigunder35 3 years ago
Ur a fucking idiot. He has been called one of the most technically flawless player in tennis history. He just does not feel comfortable playing Nadal because he attacks his only weakness. Ur a fucking dumbass.
lilhu93 2 years ago
there are so many flaws in his game
daigunder35 3 years ago
What, are you kidding me? His technique is flawless.
niclassj 3 years ago 2
His technique is flawless but his ability to perform his flawless technique under pressure (normally against Rafael) is lacking.
Orberen 3 years ago
you know who else has the same problem? EVERYBODY...you cant say someone has many flaws in there game just because they have a hard time playing "their" game against nadal...ITS FUCKING RAFAEL NADAL FOR CHRISTS SAKE...against all other players federer is almost flawless...of course, no one player is perfect
rockerduff1231 3 years ago
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federer can't and won't beat nadal ever again
daigunder35 3 years ago
the sexiest forehand in history
LeGrannySnatcher 3 years ago 2