I don't see how anybody would think this is a bias video. I'm a big time Laker fan and I agree with everything above
Kobe simply works too hard to get his points. For every tough off balance fade he hits, he'll miss 3 or 4. Who cares if he can make tougher shots than MJ? I'd take great shot selection any day of the week over that.
You want proof of why this video isn't bias? Just check out their shooting %
People just see the highlights, and think all MJ did was drive and dunk, drive and dunk.. but MJ was more of a jump shooter than people'll ever know... if they actually watch the games, half of MJ's points came off mid range jumpers... usually catch and shoot jumpers
His dunks and layups were usually in transition, off a cut, give and go, etc. MJ did have his iso drives, but he did so on 1 or 2 dribbles, you'll rarely see Jordan take more than a 4 or 5 dribbles on a dribble drive
Great video... another problem with Kobe in the triangle is that he posts up too high.. MJ would post up on the block, while Kobe would occasionally get pushed out to the wing.
One thing I loved about MJ that people don't point out is that he's not a ball stopper.. like AI, Melo, Kobe, etc. MJ was a team guy... yea he shot and scored a lot, but he's not going to stag the offense
MJ was a master at moving without the ball, in my opinion rivaled only by Reggie Miller
honestly.. out of all the games they played... I'm sure I can pick out things that Kobe did (according to you) WRONG, in MJ's career... and things MJ did amazingly!! in Kobe's career...
you can't just handpick games to prove your point...
What Coach Nick is saying is right. Kobe gets a lot of his points going out of the offense. If you watched both players you would know.
MJ never had to go away from the triangle to get his 30 points.. really all MJ did was catch shoot, catch fade away, post, and the occasional drive and dunk/layup... no fancy shit whatsoever
You need evidence? Jordan's 49.7% shooting compared to 45.3% by Kobe
Kobe is the greatest for now... but he never got competition from players like Wilkin or Joe Dumars or Drexler or Reggie Miller or Barkley and other talented player from the 90s... NBA isn't as entertaining as MJs era.
It's funny to me how people always try to prove that MJ is better than Kobe. And use it to come to the conclusoin that Kobe is not that good. PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME, WHO ELSE CAN BE COMPARED TO MJ? Kobe is the greatest in his era. hands down!
BTW, I think the biggest problem of Kobe is he holding the ball for too long, and he makes decision too slow, thats why others STOP moving and wait.
Thats definitely not good, especially when u hav some talented teammates.
For example,
Michael's USG% is around 33-34 when he won the title, yes, its high. (The highest year is 86-87, 38.3, since he didn't hav much help from his teammates so he did everything.)
But the USG% for Kobe recently (2010-12) is 35.1 and 37.8.... after you hav big guys in your paint, for WHAT??
and the high USG% doesn't reflect on his Win Shares too, that means Kobe not really helping his team to win when he holding the ball for that long and do ISO.
so..in my mind Kobe is still one of the best scorer in NBA, but it still far away from Michael....
its fun to watch this video, but the only thing I wanna say is instead of playing triangle offense, Lakers sometimes looks more like they're playing just inside-out....
yeah sure kobe still has a lot to prove .. but ofcourse mj fans will always be "right" over kobe fans.. sad but thats reality. kobe fans can never win
I like Kobe bryant and I have great respect for him, but what I hate about this generation of basketball is that people look at the greatest players in the game with the most points scored in each game. Nothing about how many steals, blocks, assists, they have and only the points. Michael Jordan is better because he was great in everything, passing, stealing, scoring, blocking. Michael jordan was good on offense and defense. So Michael is the better in my opinion.
your kidding right? i agree michael jordan is better. but to pull out the worst of kobes and best of jordan is totally incorrect. if u were to pull out the whole game there many plays kobe moves the ball around. stop kissing jordans ass and watch basketball and learn more about the game. your video only displays what YOU wanna show. not the things behind it.
What Coach Nick is saying is right. Kobe gets a lot of his points going out of the offense. If you watched both players you would know.
MJ never had to go away from the triangle to get his 30 points.. really all MJ did was catch shoot, catch fade away, post, and the occasional drive and dunk/layup... no fancy shit whatsoever
You need evidence? Jordan's 49.7% shooting compared to 45.3% by Kobe
I dont know why Kobetards say Kobe is the closest player to MJ, or even better, when Kobe isn't even better than many other Greats like Duncan or Shaq.
Look I'm a huge Kobe fan, I think by far he is the best player in the league right now even at 33. Durant, Lebron, Wade aren't even in his league. I am not a huge Mike fan, maybe cause I grew up a knick fan. But this isn't fair, Mike is the best ever to play the game period.
Man this guy is obviously bias , he says Kobe takes a bad shot but then Mike shoots the same shot even more difficult and he calls it a nice fade away shot.
Pau and Odom didn't achieve anything individually before everything came together. Gasol is a nice second options you can have but he has a major weakness: soft. Odom is the same. He gets pushed around a lot. Bynum has been a no-show in the playoffs the last 3 years. It might not be his fault because he always gets injured before the playoffs.
He had Fisher who was arguably the worst starting PG in the league in years that he won.When was the last time a championship had a worst starter in any position? Yes, he does hit the big shot when it counts but it doesn't make up for the 46 minutes of poor play.
"Kobe Bryant continues to kill it in a league that has become increasingly STACKED over the last decade or two"
Hey moron this era's had more 20 win, sub .500 teams than ANY era in history! Not to mention MORE rule changes that FAVORS perimeter players so spare us U moron!
Take your ignorant ass back to playing with your toys kiddo...
The reason why Kobe isn't as good as MJ, he tries too hard to create his shot. Instead of constantly passing down to the post with Pau and Bynum. When you have 7-footers as effective down low as the Lakers do, you must pass down there more often than anything else. Instead, Kobe will much rather take the post himself, or settle for a pull- up 3.
this video was a waste of ur time cus mj is better, no one with a straight mind would say otherwise. the only reason kobe comes in this discussion is cus the rest of the field is too shitty to come close to mj.
All 1 has to do is look at their career offensive #s regarding the reg season & playoffs (especially the finals), to see that's CERTAINLY NOT true on ANY level..
And when U factor in how much more efficient MJ was at scoring than him, it REALLY makes your comment sound that much more ABSURD...SMH
Sorry..Pip & Rodman (who only played 3 seasons in CHI) were the ONLY HOFmers he had.
Kobe's only played 3 seasons without a fellow All Star. MJ played 9 seasons without one. He also has 0 seasons winning a title w/o a fellow All Star. MJ has 2!
CHI record in the 2 yrs prior to MJ's arrival was 55-109. LA's record in the 2 yrs prior to kobe's arrival was 101-63.
Kobe's played with 8 different guys that avg'd in double figures at various times during the pre-title/title seasons
@blackadam06 Are you forgetting about a guy named Scotie Pipppen? Was only named one of the 50 greatest players to play the game. So I'm sorry 9 seasons without an all star. Pippen was and all NBA team 3 times. Arguably the best all around player to ever play. His 10 NBA All-Defensive honors and 8 NBA All-Defensive First Team honors are one shy of the NBA record. A hall of famer himself. Mike never won without Scotie. Kobe has won without Shaq.
"Are you forgetting about a guy named Scotie Pipppen?"
No.. Try actually reading my comment.
"Kobe has won without Shaq"
No..he won with ANOTHER All Star center, so don't try & shoot that bullsh*t to me.
B4 Gasol's arrival, LA was 29-16 and LOSERS of 4 of their last 6 games. After his arrival they go 28-9 down the stretch and make 3 STRAIGHT finals (winning 2 of 'em)!!
Not to mention Gasol LED LA in PLAYOFF PER, Win Shares & Ortg vs Top 10 Defenses during those title runs LOL!!
@blackadam06 Wait you're not seriously implying that Pau is better to have than Scottie right? Yes he was another all star but he isn't Shaq, no where near as dominant. Look I agree Mike is better , the best. But you're making it seem like he won it all by himself which he clearly didn't. His team was clearly better than Kob'es even with Shaq.
@blackadam06 Guy's like me ? No I would never down play anything Pau has done. i think he's excellent top 5 PF right now. I blame his struggles now on the trade talks. My point is they say well Kobe won titles with Shaq and hasn't without him. Then he wins 2 without Shaq, so they say he wouldn't win if he didn't have Pau. Of course he wouldn't, who wins alone? Every one who won championships has had help.
@MrKobeClutchBryant Jordan suffered a broken foot and missed 3/4 of the season and still played effectively when he came back. The Bulls is one of the few teams that won NBA titles without an allstar center. Jordan had Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley. Kobe had Shaq, Bynum and Gasol. Kobe had the better centers.
@godzilla1077 I just read bleacher reports "Jordan vs Kobe" and they agree with me. Kobe is the better scorer, perimeter player, passer and ball handler but before he's considered better than Jordan he needs to have a few more great years, 1-2 more titles and retire at a peak of his game. I'm not even a Kobe fan, i'm merely not blinded by biased opinions
@MrKobeClutchBryant You do realize that Kobe saved his best for the worst. A lot of Kobe's high scoring games where against teams that were .500 or below where as Jordan played his best against the best. Not to mention Kobe has taken more shots and missed more shots than MJ. So explain how Kobe is better scorer than MJ since Kobe scored the most points in his career against subpar to really bad teams. MJ scored his highest points against the best.
@MrKobeClutchBryant No real competition? Kobe struggled against players like Paul Pierce and cries how physical teams get with him. If Kobe played against teams in the 80's or 90's he would average 21ppg. Jordan played against teams that developed "The Jordan Rules" in order to stop or slow down MJ. Jordans era was much tougher and had better shooters and defenders.
@godzilla1077 Even if Kobe had a perfect season, people, because they are bias towards Jordan, and have grown up watching him, will think he is better than Kobe. Its that simple. Once that generation dies out, Jordan will not be considered better than Kobe. Or at least they will be neck to neck in terms of who is the best.
@MrKobeClutchBryant That's a non answer if I ever seen one. I'm here to talk about facts that support why Jordan is better than Kobe. It's not bias when there are sheer facts.
@MrKobeClutchBryant are you retarded? mj played against the toughest competition in his days. shaq was in his prime when he played against mj and it wasn't until after he retired did they start winning championships. san antonio was next on the list to win both of which tim duncan and david robinson. these players won championships after mj retired. todays game is alot easier than mj's era. today's game is alot of hype. the only thing science has improve is advanced the cameras and films.
The game hasn't evolved to the point of disjuncture!
Besides Wilt's a center!
But kobe & MJ play(ed) the SAME position in the same offense.
Kobe's played the MAJORITY of his career under rules that the league ADMITS favors perimeter guys and he STILL can't consistently put up equal or better #s than MJ, so what's that tell ya? LOL!!
@MrKobeClutchBryant dude -> how many turnovers does kobe get per game. if he was a better perimeter player his fg% would be higher. if he was a better scorer he would be scoring alot more points on lot less shooting and his shot selection would be better. passer? -> lol how often does he pass?? did you watch the video?
Bleacher reports are written by "fans", not sports analysts.
Secondly, show me the link to this "report" that says kobe's a better scorer, perimeter player, passer & ball handler.
Lets see it..
Like everything else you've posted on here, it's just a damn lie because if ANY of that were actually true, it would be reflected in his on-court production like it is for everyone else, yet it NEVER is LOL!!
Makes me sick how a lot of you only value scoring. Sure, maybe Kobe will have more points by the end of his career but MJ is better all across the board as an overall basketball player. When has Kobe ever scored 50% of his FG attempts? Yeah, efficiency counts too.
This is retarded. Sorry. First of all, I could get a bunch of clips of Jordan dribbling and shooting the ball and Kobe feeding it to Pau and say that MJ kept on not facilitating. This is why I hate these videos, they're so one sided. I'm not saying Jordan isn't better, but come on. Really
It's AMAZING how many of U dumb kids get on here and are TOO STUPID to realize what the POINT of this video is trying to show.
The video is showcasing "WHY" kobe consistently misses more shots than MJ while playing in the SAME offense that its creator says: "made life easier" for MJ.
I got 2 words for U retard: shot selection
That's what he's pointing out in this video!!
If you're too ignorant to see this then the issue CLEARLY lies with U, and not in the video itself...SMH
because when mj takes control and go one on one, mj can sustain momentum while shooting effectively at 50 percent. kobe can't. when Chi lose, its because his team is shooting poorly. When Lakers lose, its because kobe is shooting poorly. Dudes not even the best on the damn team, its Paul Gasol
@TurboD16z6 LOL Gasol the best on the team. You mean the guy who got dominated in the playoffs by Dirk and Landry and the same guy the Lakers are trying to package in any trade they can get. I would have prefer you say Bynum at least that would have been arguable. And Kobe has shot poorly this year but to say it's all his fault they lose is ignorant when they have arguably the worst bench and starting PG in the league. And it wouldn't hurt to get a true backup SG for Kobe either.
The thing I hate about Kobe is his poor decision making. He always takes a low percentage shot but they usually go in but still his shot selection is terrible.
I'm a Kobe fan and I got to say I like your breakdown on Jordan vs Kobe way better than Bruce Blitz and his biased breakdown's on Kobe.I like both players and I think Kobe's the closest thing to Jordan in today's NBA in terms of his style of play but this video pretty much shows what sets them apart which is efficiency, IQ, statistics, and accolades.
You also say that MJ did the same iso stuff Kobe is doing, earlier in his carreer. If you look at MJ's numbers in the late 80s you can also see that MJ was at least much more efficient with it!
Hey, you could approach the MJ vs Kobe question whole differenty by comparing each part of their skillsets with one another, and going into detail on who is the better scorer, rebounder, passer (which you already show in this video), ball handler, one-on-one defender, athlete... (All in each of their prime)
I think it would also be pretty clear who gets the edge on such a comparrison! How about doing such a video? Maybe with Lebron vs MJ too?
@OakMeesiri ofcourse he is not better than rose and lebron today, he is fcking 33 yrs old and has 16 seasons in the grueling nba, while lechoke is 27 and has 9 seasons. if u wanna use facts in ur argument then at least don't twist them.
@OakMeesiri You give all the credit to one player? Jordan did lead his team to a 72 win season but he had an amazing supporting cast. Kobe in place of Jordan on that team would have done equal or better. Its so funny how idiots put Jordan over Kobe without thinking about how much the game has changed. Kobe plays in a league 10x more talented than the league Jordan played in.
@OakMeesiri first of all ur not a kobe fan, so don't fool anyone with that, its clear ur a lebron and mj fan. and u don't know true basketball either cus if u did u would know that kobe had more seasons that mj at age 33 cus kobe came out of high school, and the difference between a season in college and nba is the difference between a lifting a rock and lifting a house. ill finish with the next sentence that summarizes it the best: kobe will never be mj, just like lebron will never be kobe.
KB had more seasons at age 33 than Jordan, it's mean he play in NBA more than MJ but why he could not success like MJ and his stat also? and I believe he could not do 3 champ in next 3 years consecutive. Sorry you are collect only 50%, I am MJ fan but not LB fan. I like Kobe8 style Strong, Fast, Creative but when he turn to 24, he imitate MJ style and I never comment he could be MJ or not but i said when anybody told Kobe are better than MJ, It's ridiculous.
@OakMeesiri i couldn't understand a thing of what u wrote lol, whr u from? cus if u speak another language better then try that.
well if ur an mj fan then why are u arguing with me cus i said before that mj is far better than kobe. the only reason ppl compare kobe to mj is because of all the other players he is the best one.
Sorry for my poor language, I don't want to argue with u about MJ but sorry this vid is about MJ and Kobe. Am I right?
And I said, KB does not better than Lebron or Rose today, (Please accepting the true)
But you had send a message to comment about Kobe ages so I reply to u. How could he better than MJ? because MJ can chase many trophies and rings when he was 33yrs. Am i right?
and stop saying lebron is better when u claim ur not a lebron fan. today kobe is still better than lebron skill wise, even rose but athletically they are better than him cus of his age (pls accept the truth and stop riding lebrons dick secretly lol).
@OakMeesiri You obviously don't know much about basketball. Darant won the MVP and where is Kobe? Oh I'm sorry he was to busy scoring 28 points and becoming the all time leader in points surpassing who? Mike,.
@OakMeesiri hahaha ur nuts, u muslim piece of shit.
1 if shaq won those 3 rings then pippin and rodman won those 6 rings for ur buttboy jordan so good luck using that reason u moron. no one in the history of basketball ever won a ring alone, THEY ALL HAD HELP.
2 kobe is best player after jordan, accept it and move on.
3 no ur mom took care of that LOL
4 yes, i saw how kobe shot 20 points IN LECHOCKES face.
5 if u accept facts then also accept that kobe is best.
@thisnamealsotaken The difference is that Shaq was the leader of that 3-peat Lakers team, while Kobe played sidekick. Why else do you think Shaq won 3 Finals MVPs during the 3-peat? MJ, like Shaq, was the leader of all his 6 champs since he won 6 Finals MVPs. Do you know that MJ's playoff PPG is 33.4 and he has the highest PPG average in the NBA Finals than any player in history? When Bulls were in the playoffs, MJ carried the flag every fucking time. You cannot say the same for Kobe.
Haha now I know ur absolutely idiot gal who always feel good after look down somebody, pity gal
1. I never said MJ can win alone but u forget something? KB HAS good teammate too Gasol Bynum etc, he is captain but he cannot lead them to win. Now it's proved some moron gal not understand basketball.
2. Yes ur correct no argument
3. Please ask your parent to give u an education of decorum course.
@thisnamealsotaken I believe Kobe will win another title and tie Mike. Maybe not this year or maybe they make some sort of deal. But he will win another, he wants it way to much. No other player in the league wants to win as much.
4:39 love it. Leadership "calm down let's regroup". That's an intangible. Either you have it innately or you don't. And Michael sure did! That's one of the most determining factors that separates him from today's superstars.
bballbreakdown I'm 5 7 and I can do some crazy dunks. Honestly, anyone can do it, just workout the right way. I personally used the program at "50inchvertical [dot] com" but any workout could be followed if you know they generate results
This is one of the worse compare and contrast videos—of any subjects—I have ever seen.
And just to clarify(so no one thinks I am a Kobe fanboy) I believe MJ is indeed better than Kobe.
My problem with this video is that it is extremely biased. The guy shows shots that kobe missed vs shots that MJ made. I am sorry, but the comparisons are all flawed. Eventhough I think MJ is better, I can go ahead and make a compilation of Kobe's make vs MJ's miss and claim that Kobe is better.
Apparently you're about as DUMB as these ignorant ass kobe fans on here, if you've failed to comprehend what the point of this video is, which apparently is the case here.
It's NOT about highlighting kobe's misses to make MJ look better dumb ass!
The POINT of the video is to show "WHY" he consistently misses more than MJ in an offense, that its creator says "made life easier" for MJ!!
You just showed how much you know about basketball, nothing! It's not about jordan making the shots and kobe missing them, it's about how they set up the offense, run it and make plays. Missing the shot doesn't make a play bad, it just didn't go in.
"it's about how they set up the offense, run it and make plays"
Oh really?
Now you've just shown how much U know about MJ's role with CHI vs kobe's with LA: nothing!
"I [never] asked Michael to be a [playmaker]. That's the [greatest player] that I've [ever had], that I could consider the greatest player in the game, and I [never] asked him to be a [playmaker] in those terms."
-- Phil Jackson: "Love Triangle: Michael, Phil and Kobe"; ESPN Page 2 Feb 12, 2002
True that, i mistook you for a kobe fan. Now that i look at my comment, it looks like i'm actually defending bryant, which isn't supposed to be the case.
How can it be when 17.4% of his career shots are from the 3pt line?!!
MJ didn't over rely on the 3ptr to score like kobe does, nor does kobe drive as much as MJ did in his earlier days. He's also not as effective on the blocks or moving w/o the ball, something that both Phil & Tex Winter consistently pointed out.
Kobe consistently settles for low % shots, rendering him less effective as MJ.
That's not hating kiddo..these are just the facts..
for me its just the matter of what works for you for your present skill. kobe was facilitating like michael when they won 3 consecutive championships. and over facilitated like lebron when they lost to pistons in 2003. you see kobe adjusted over the years, ive watched him all throughout his career and for me he is a legend.
@blackadam06 last 3 years as a bull grant avg'ed 9.4 reb ,9.9 reb and 11.00 with atleast 14 points each year so thats basically whT gasol does now he basically avg'ed a double double so hush
This is only part of it .. there is more to it .. I like Kobe alot but MJ is DEFINITLEY the better player .. POINT BLANK .. And this is coming from a guy who thinks kobe is the best currently .. He's the closest thing to MJ I've ever seen but not close enough ..
Awesome breakdown Coach Nick. Kobetard fans..fail to recognize this. They think by kobe passing the ball to the bigs...that he's doing his job and let the bigs go to work. Good point in him being passive. 8+ years with Phil...still kobe hasn't learn. Plain and simple -- Altho he's an all time great-- he is polarizing even to his team.
This is too biased, if you are going to make comparisons atleast show both flaws and accomplishments. Of course anyone who sees this will think jordan is better because you only show his goods, and only kobes bads
@blackadam06 dude i have a 3.2 gpa and major in psychology u really not gonna pull what ur tryin to becuz 1 i proved my point 2 if i recall YOU threw that brandon marshall tantrum on your second comment sayin i was dumb and a stupid kid and all this other shit when 1. neva meet me 2. u didnt no my age 3.u didnt no i attend college and have the gpa i have so plz stop insulting ya self by trying to reverse shit
It is definitely true that Kobe's triangle has been affected by the zone. There's no doubt about that, and simply calling people who point that out uninformed youth is just logical fallacy.
It is also unfair to compare Jordan's title run highlights against one of Kobe's worst playoff performances vs. Dallas. Kobe ran the triangle to perfection during the 2010 Finals against the Celtics, and that would have made for a much better comparison.
@gqiq it is definitely true that it has become much easier to score due to hand checking being disallowed. Just like it's true that your mother is a worthless whore who should be shot for giving birth to such a retard
Also, clear bias in this video, your comparison of Kobe's shot (2:08) and Jordan's shot (2:15) ridiculous. You call Kobe's shot "very tough", then Jordan takes the EXACT same shot (actually, from about 4-5 feet farther) and you call it a good play.
Once again, Kobe and Jordan do the same exact thing (3:04 for Kobe) (3:33 for Jordan), but you call Kobe's play bad and Jordan's good. Also, Gasol is an excellent spot up shooter for a big-man. That is a great shot.
So, you take a couple of games (the Kobe games are from when the Lakers were as dysfunctional as they have ever been with him, seriously, they had a problem last year) and a couple of games from when the Bulls were in the prime. Just a couple of games out of THOUSANDS, and you think this is good evidence?
I'm not supporting Kobe. Only an idiot would say he is better than the clear GOAT in Michael Jordan. But, cmon, you could at least get some better stuff than this.
“Last season, Jordan had to [overcome] the harassment of [zone traps] and [double & triple teaming] to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game”
– Sam Goldpaper: “Challenges for Jordan: New League Rule and New Role”; NY Times, Nov 4, 1987
NEWSFLASH KIDDO: zone principles have been in the NBA LOONG B4 kobe & U ignorant Y2K kids came along!
It's amazing just how incredibly uninformed & CLUELESS your generation is about MJ, as well as the history of the game..SMH
What you've seen from 2001-present isn't even a REAL zone, because the defensive 3-sec rule prevents it from being one. That ALONE keeps the Bigs from camping out in the lanes (like they could in MJ's era), thus making it EASIER to drive to the hole!
No zone defense would "consistently" be effective against a good/great passing & shooting team, as the championship Bulls consistently PROVED.
U kids today are seriously uninformed and don't know ANYTHING about the game...SMH
@PesoMediaMovement FACT: NO HANDCHECKING.. NO BIGS CAMPING IN THE LANE.. HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SAY THAT KOBE IS HAVING MORE TROUBLE.. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT BASKETBALL IS.. GO PRACTICE!
@blackadam06 umm grant ??? whT was he oh ok dude shut up u goin in circles right now and it actually becoming funny ur a jordan dick rider come on ur better then this
Funny how U can levy these insults about my alleged "stupidity", but can't invalidate 1 thing I've said..
Now I KNOW you're just some dumb kid, because whenever U morons run out of excuses & know that U can't invalidate what the other guy is saying, U lash out in some juvenile temper tantrum.
It's just a childish attempt at distracting others from noticing that U
A) can't prove what U say. And
B) to make the other guy back down from further exposing U
And for the record kiddo, Horace Grant made his "offensive" living by floating to the open areas and making 10-15 ft JUMP SHOTS, after the center or MJ was doubled teamed.
He was NOT a "traditional" back to basket, post up scorer like traditional PF's like Dale & Antonio Davis, Oakley etc..
Yes he was listed as a PF, but he made his living shooting jumpers...
"this comin from the idiot that said mj neva had a low post player"
Now your b*tch ass is just lying to save face...SMH
I NEVER said that!
I said that he's only had 1 season where his post player (center) avg'd in double figures, and that's TRUE (Longley in '98).
And don't give me that bullsh*t about Toni Kukoc because he WAS NOT a post player. Granted he was listed as their PF and was 6'10, but he played on the perimeter because that's what his skilled set revolved around.
@blackadam06 jordan has also come out b4 nd said kobe is a top ten all time then a few years later said he prob number W so my point is hop of mj nuts and give respect where its due
"jordan has also come out b4 nd said kobe is a top ten all time"
Are U just dumb?
No one's disputing that he's an All Time Top 10 player, nor is it an evaluation of him that's based on his own merit.
This is a damn comparison, so what part of this don't U get?!!
The nature of a comparison is to highlight & contrast the differences between 2 or more players, to determine who consistently was/is better, so therefore someone's gonna come up short!
@blackadam06 u do realize mj himself has thrown ya whole arguement out the door cuz he himself has constantly come out and said kobe best in the nba and just recently came out and said no player in history deserves to be compared to him BUT KOBE so umm u defending someone that aint even on ya side lmao stupid ppl these days
1st of all U goddamn idiot, what does MJ saying kobe's the best in the NBA have to do with the comparison between them?
Secondly, if your dumb ass had actually listened to the interview and the context in which he was saying kobe's earned the comparison, he was ONLY referring to kobe's work ethic and efforts spent, not on their respective skill levels U dumb f*ck...SMH
Pointing out the flaws of anyone past their prime against a prime Michael isn't hard. Especially when everyone and their mother kisses MJ's ass incessantly. Not knocking Mike, I just think it's annoying how no one even lets the conversation develop into a debate. Everyone either instinctually rags on Kobe, sucks up to Michael, or both. Neither to be seen here.
Great breakdown regardless, Coach. An unbiased comparison unlike some other Chicagoan YouTuber I know...
@241Opportunist Agreed. No offense to any true Jordan fans, but I think some people just ride Jordan's nuts because they know him as the greatest of all time and not because they actually watched him play and saw how great he was.
And here I thought I was the only sane person to ever mention the two in the same breath. Jordan diehards are just rabid with their defense of this guy sometimes. It's ridiculous AND annoying.
"everyone and their mother kisses MJ's ass incessantly"
See..comments like that are WHY longtime fans break out the facts to validate our position on the matter.
Anytime the facts & evidence contradicts (and invalidates) your uninformed, fanboy rhetoric about current players, as it relates to MJ or any other legend, the 1st thing U silly ass Y2K kids wanna scream is: "you're biased"..SMH
And for what?
Just to keep from acknowledging the TRUTH of the matter?
U guys are the ones who keep making the comparison. You're also the one's who'll make the most ignorant, uninformed and just FLAT OUT FALSE claims about MJ or his era, just to make a more favorable comparison for kobe.
But then when knowledgable fans respond with the facts of the matter, then y'all start crying like bitches and claiming that someone's "hating" or being "biased"..SMH
If the facts about how he DOESN'T stack up to MJ bothers U so much, then U should either:
A) educate yourself on the matter B4 posting, or
B) take it up with kobe
Because when it comes to explaining "why" his individual resume & on-court production is consistently inferior to MJ's (especially in the playoffs), we're not the one's who made up or brought any of that stuff into fruition...he did!!
Seriously? Two comments rehashing the same point? Typing in leet? Are you 40 or fucking 14?
When have I EVER made a Kobe-Michael comparison? Or can you not fucking read? Ex-players FROM YOUR ERA are making these comparisons, not me. Are you calling the very players you're talking about stupid and ill-informed? Point made.
@blackadam06 oh u talkin bout when kobe was hated on for shootin so much and to prove haters lik u wrong he stop shootin and omg la lost to phonix by lik 20+ nd what ppl say welp cant blame kobe he to 6 hoots and passed and la still lost face dude u proof sucks cuz as i recall if u wanna throw that srat up ok like i said NO JORDAN ALL OF 94 ND WHERE THE BULLS GO ? AR DEEP IN THE PLAYOFFS WITH NO MJ OK THEN NOW STFU U OLD IDIOT
I don't see how anybody would think this is a bias video. I'm a big time Laker fan and I agree with everything above
Kobe simply works too hard to get his points. For every tough off balance fade he hits, he'll miss 3 or 4. Who cares if he can make tougher shots than MJ? I'd take great shot selection any day of the week over that.
You want proof of why this video isn't bias? Just check out their shooting %
Kobe 45.4%
Jordan 49.7
Ouch
oneman9121 1 day ago 2
People just see the highlights, and think all MJ did was drive and dunk, drive and dunk.. but MJ was more of a jump shooter than people'll ever know... if they actually watch the games, half of MJ's points came off mid range jumpers... usually catch and shoot jumpers
His dunks and layups were usually in transition, off a cut, give and go, etc. MJ did have his iso drives, but he did so on 1 or 2 dribbles, you'll rarely see Jordan take more than a 4 or 5 dribbles on a dribble drive
oneman91 2 days ago
Great video... another problem with Kobe in the triangle is that he posts up too high.. MJ would post up on the block, while Kobe would occasionally get pushed out to the wing.
One thing I loved about MJ that people don't point out is that he's not a ball stopper.. like AI, Melo, Kobe, etc. MJ was a team guy... yea he shot and scored a lot, but he's not going to stag the offense
MJ was a master at moving without the ball, in my opinion rivaled only by Reggie Miller
oneman91 2 days ago
what a lot of crap you have here...
honestly.. out of all the games they played... I'm sure I can pick out things that Kobe did (according to you) WRONG, in MJ's career... and things MJ did amazingly!! in Kobe's career...
you can't just handpick games to prove your point...
useless video!!!
stimpackuk 2 days ago
@stimpackuk
What Coach Nick is saying is right. Kobe gets a lot of his points going out of the offense. If you watched both players you would know.
MJ never had to go away from the triangle to get his 30 points.. really all MJ did was catch shoot, catch fade away, post, and the occasional drive and dunk/layup... no fancy shit whatsoever
You need evidence? Jordan's 49.7% shooting compared to 45.3% by Kobe
oneman91 2 days ago
Kobe is the greatest for now... but he never got competition from players like Wilkin or Joe Dumars or Drexler or Reggie Miller or Barkley and other talented player from the 90s... NBA isn't as entertaining as MJs era.
TheSuicidalDilemma 3 days ago
@TheSuicidalDilemma The other stars like miller, barkley didnt have another star on there team like jordan did
zoomkobe24 3 days ago
It's funny to me how people always try to prove that MJ is better than Kobe. And use it to come to the conclusoin that Kobe is not that good. PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME, WHO ELSE CAN BE COMPARED TO MJ? Kobe is the greatest in his era. hands down!
aalluubbaa 3 days ago
BTW, I think the biggest problem of Kobe is he holding the ball for too long, and he makes decision too slow, thats why others STOP moving and wait.
Thats definitely not good, especially when u hav some talented teammates.
For example,
Michael's USG% is around 33-34 when he won the title, yes, its high. (The highest year is 86-87, 38.3, since he didn't hav much help from his teammates so he did everything.)
ooplus1985 3 days ago
@ooplus1985
But the USG% for Kobe recently (2010-12) is 35.1 and 37.8.... after you hav big guys in your paint, for WHAT??
and the high USG% doesn't reflect on his Win Shares too, that means Kobe not really helping his team to win when he holding the ball for that long and do ISO.
so..in my mind Kobe is still one of the best scorer in NBA, but it still far away from Michael....
ooplus1985 3 days ago
its fun to watch this video, but the only thing I wanna say is instead of playing triangle offense, Lakers sometimes looks more like they're playing just inside-out....
but MJ is better than Kobe anyway!
ooplus1985 3 days ago
yeah sure kobe still has a lot to prove .. but ofcourse mj fans will always be "right" over kobe fans.. sad but thats reality. kobe fans can never win
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sefjoseph1 6 days ago
kobe bryant is gay
blasikin22 6 days ago
I like Kobe bryant and I have great respect for him, but what I hate about this generation of basketball is that people look at the greatest players in the game with the most points scored in each game. Nothing about how many steals, blocks, assists, they have and only the points. Michael Jordan is better because he was great in everything, passing, stealing, scoring, blocking. Michael jordan was good on offense and defense. So Michael is the better in my opinion.
DrHypeBeast 6 days ago
your kidding right? i agree michael jordan is better. but to pull out the worst of kobes and best of jordan is totally incorrect. if u were to pull out the whole game there many plays kobe moves the ball around. stop kissing jordans ass and watch basketball and learn more about the game. your video only displays what YOU wanna show. not the things behind it.
pothoyman 6 days ago
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@pothoyman
What Coach Nick is saying is right. Kobe gets a lot of his points going out of the offense. If you watched both players you would know.
MJ never had to go away from the triangle to get his 30 points.. really all MJ did was catch shoot, catch fade away, post, and the occasional drive and dunk/layup... no fancy shit whatsoever
You need evidence? Jordan's 49.7% shooting compared to 45.3% by Kobe
oneman91 2 days ago
I dont know why Kobetards say Kobe is the closest player to MJ, or even better, when Kobe isn't even better than many other Greats like Duncan or Shaq.
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if there was any doubt about the difference between mj & kobe, this video clearly shows the gap...good job...
vicokwaro 1 week ago
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vicokwaro 1 week ago
you're an idiot
mp816 1 week ago
Look I'm a huge Kobe fan, I think by far he is the best player in the league right now even at 33. Durant, Lebron, Wade aren't even in his league. I am not a huge Mike fan, maybe cause I grew up a knick fan. But this isn't fair, Mike is the best ever to play the game period.
hennylo68 1 week ago
Man this guy is obviously bias , he says Kobe takes a bad shot but then Mike shoots the same shot even more difficult and he calls it a nice fade away shot.
hennylo68 1 week ago
Pau and Odom didn't achieve anything individually before everything came together. Gasol is a nice second options you can have but he has a major weakness: soft. Odom is the same. He gets pushed around a lot. Bynum has been a no-show in the playoffs the last 3 years. It might not be his fault because he always gets injured before the playoffs.
MrKobeClutchBryant 1 week ago
@MrKobeClutchBryant lol
crayrayc 1 week ago
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MrKobeClutchBryant 1 week ago
He had Fisher who was arguably the worst starting PG in the league in years that he won.When was the last time a championship had a worst starter in any position? Yes, he does hit the big shot when it counts but it doesn't make up for the 46 minutes of poor play.
MrKobeClutchBryant 1 week ago
@MrKobeClutchBryant i thought kobetards were extinct by now.. guess not
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@barrelroll92253
"he (MJ) didnt play in a league of today's level"
23ppg 4apg 4rpg <-- 39-40 yrs old MJ (2002-03)
25ppg 4apg 5rpg <-- kobe's career avg.
"Kobe Bryant continues to kill it in a league that has become increasingly STACKED over the last decade or two"
Hey moron this era's had more 20 win, sub .500 teams than ANY era in history! Not to mention MORE rule changes that FAVORS perimeter players so spare us U moron!
Take your ignorant ass back to playing with your toys kiddo...
blackadam06 1 week ago
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blackadam06 1 week ago
The reason why Kobe isn't as good as MJ, he tries too hard to create his shot. Instead of constantly passing down to the post with Pau and Bynum. When you have 7-footers as effective down low as the Lakers do, you must pass down there more often than anything else. Instead, Kobe will much rather take the post himself, or settle for a pull- up 3.
C52Panthers 1 week ago
this video was a waste of ur time cus mj is better, no one with a straight mind would say otherwise. the only reason kobe comes in this discussion is cus the rest of the field is too shitty to come close to mj.
thisnamealsotaken 1 week ago
Mike is better. But I say Kobe was a bit more dangerous offensively
UniqUeCrosS 1 week ago
@UniqUeCrosS
"I say Kobe was a bit more dangerous offensively"
When, where & how?
All 1 has to do is look at their career offensive #s regarding the reg season & playoffs (especially the finals), to see that's CERTAINLY NOT true on ANY level..
And when U factor in how much more efficient MJ was at scoring than him, it REALLY makes your comment sound that much more ABSURD...SMH
blackadam06 1 week ago
There is no comparison. And how dare you compare anyone to MJ? If you don't know who's better then you don't know basketball.
ewack77 1 week ago
kobe is now trying to initial another trade.
hardcoremofo 1 week ago
THIS VID IS SUPER BIASED KOBE IS AS GOOD AS JORDAN IF NOT BETTER
MrKobeClutchBryant 1 week ago
@MrKobeClutchBryant
"KOBE IS AS GOOD AS JORDAN IF NOT BETTER"
Yeah...when it comes to consistently missing more shots & turning over the ball LOL!!
blackadam06 1 week ago
@blackadam06 MJ - 7 Hall of Fame teammates during his championships.
Kobe - 1 Hall of Fame teammate, Shaq, during his championships.
There's a difference in being great and also surrounded by an excellent team and being excellent and making your team great.
MJ will never be able to say he did that.
MrKobeClutchBryant 1 week ago
@MrKobeClutchBryant
Sorry..Pip & Rodman (who only played 3 seasons in CHI) were the ONLY HOFmers he had.
Kobe's only played 3 seasons without a fellow All Star. MJ played 9 seasons without one. He also has 0 seasons winning a title w/o a fellow All Star. MJ has 2!
CHI record in the 2 yrs prior to MJ's arrival was 55-109. LA's record in the 2 yrs prior to kobe's arrival was 101-63.
Kobe's played with 8 different guys that avg'd in double figures at various times during the pre-title/title seasons
blackadam06 1 week ago
@blackadam06 Are you forgetting about a guy named Scotie Pipppen? Was only named one of the 50 greatest players to play the game. So I'm sorry 9 seasons without an all star. Pippen was and all NBA team 3 times. Arguably the best all around player to ever play. His 10 NBA All-Defensive honors and 8 NBA All-Defensive First Team honors are one shy of the NBA record. A hall of famer himself. Mike never won without Scotie. Kobe has won without Shaq.
hennylo68 1 week ago
@hennylo68
"Are you forgetting about a guy named Scotie Pipppen?"
No.. Try actually reading my comment.
"Kobe has won without Shaq"
No..he won with ANOTHER All Star center, so don't try & shoot that bullsh*t to me.
B4 Gasol's arrival, LA was 29-16 and LOSERS of 4 of their last 6 games. After his arrival they go 28-9 down the stretch and make 3 STRAIGHT finals (winning 2 of 'em)!!
Not to mention Gasol LED LA in PLAYOFF PER, Win Shares & Ortg vs Top 10 Defenses during those title runs LOL!!
blackadam06 1 week ago
@blackadam06 Wait you're not seriously implying that Pau is better to have than Scottie right? Yes he was another all star but he isn't Shaq, no where near as dominant. Look I agree Mike is better , the best. But you're making it seem like he won it all by himself which he clearly didn't. His team was clearly better than Kob'es even with Shaq.
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blackadam06 1 week ago
@hennylo68
"you're not seriously implying that Pau is better to have than Scottie right?"
No, but guys like U often downplay Pau's talents just to build up kobe.
Win Shares reflect the # of wins one's responsible for his team.
PER accounts for "good" overall contribution (pts, asts, rebs, blks, stls, FG%) towards team productivity.
Guess who's led LA in BOTH, as well as Ortg vs Top 10 defenses in the reg season, playoffs & finals since '09?
Pau!!
Pippen NEVER did that during ANY season with MJ..
blackadam06 1 week ago
@blackadam06 Guy's like me ? No I would never down play anything Pau has done. i think he's excellent top 5 PF right now. I blame his struggles now on the trade talks. My point is they say well Kobe won titles with Shaq and hasn't without him. Then he wins 2 without Shaq, so they say he wouldn't win if he didn't have Pau. Of course he wouldn't, who wins alone? Every one who won championships has had help.
hennylo68 1 week ago
@MrKobeClutchBryant Jordan suffered a broken foot and missed 3/4 of the season and still played effectively when he came back. The Bulls is one of the few teams that won NBA titles without an allstar center. Jordan had Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley. Kobe had Shaq, Bynum and Gasol. Kobe had the better centers.
godzilla1077 1 week ago
@godzilla1077 I just read bleacher reports "Jordan vs Kobe" and they agree with me. Kobe is the better scorer, perimeter player, passer and ball handler but before he's considered better than Jordan he needs to have a few more great years, 1-2 more titles and retire at a peak of his game. I'm not even a Kobe fan, i'm merely not blinded by biased opinions
MrKobeClutchBryant 1 week ago
@MrKobeClutchBryant You do realize that Kobe saved his best for the worst. A lot of Kobe's high scoring games where against teams that were .500 or below where as Jordan played his best against the best. Not to mention Kobe has taken more shots and missed more shots than MJ. So explain how Kobe is better scorer than MJ since Kobe scored the most points in his career against subpar to really bad teams. MJ scored his highest points against the best.
godzilla1077 1 week ago
@godzilla1077 You all forget something important..
The game is evolving. Why not compare wilt with MJ, then? Wilt has almost all the records, why? cuz the game was totally different!
If MJ would play these days he would be harldly above average.
Think about how science takes foot in Basketball, how they support the stars today. Jordan had no real competiton those days.
This whole thing about MJ is better is like saying 50years ago a mercedes was faster than a MClaren cuz that won more champ.
MrKobeClutchBryant 1 week ago
@MrKobeClutchBryant No real competition? Kobe struggled against players like Paul Pierce and cries how physical teams get with him. If Kobe played against teams in the 80's or 90's he would average 21ppg. Jordan played against teams that developed "The Jordan Rules" in order to stop or slow down MJ. Jordans era was much tougher and had better shooters and defenders.
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@godzilla1077 Even if Kobe had a perfect season, people, because they are bias towards Jordan, and have grown up watching him, will think he is better than Kobe. Its that simple. Once that generation dies out, Jordan will not be considered better than Kobe. Or at least they will be neck to neck in terms of who is the best.
MrKobeClutchBryant 1 week ago
@MrKobeClutchBryant That's a non answer if I ever seen one. I'm here to talk about facts that support why Jordan is better than Kobe. It's not bias when there are sheer facts.
godzilla1077 1 week ago
@MrKobeClutchBryant are you retarded? mj played against the toughest competition in his days. shaq was in his prime when he played against mj and it wasn't until after he retired did they start winning championships. san antonio was next on the list to win both of which tim duncan and david robinson. these players won championships after mj retired. todays game is alot easier than mj's era. today's game is alot of hype. the only thing science has improve is advanced the cameras and films.
crayrayc 1 week ago
@MrKobeClutchBryant
The game hasn't evolved to the point of disjuncture!
Besides Wilt's a center!
But kobe & MJ play(ed) the SAME position in the same offense.
Kobe's played the MAJORITY of his career under rules that the league ADMITS favors perimeter guys and he STILL can't consistently put up equal or better #s than MJ, so what's that tell ya? LOL!!
23ppg 4apg 4rpg <-- 39-40 yr old Wizard MJ
25ppg 4apg 5rpg <-- kobe's career avg
Prime MJ under these rules = 40ppg easily LOL!!
blackadam06 1 week ago 10
@MrKobeClutchBryant dude -> how many turnovers does kobe get per game. if he was a better perimeter player his fg% would be higher. if he was a better scorer he would be scoring alot more points on lot less shooting and his shot selection would be better. passer? -> lol how often does he pass?? did you watch the video?
crayrayc 1 week ago
@crayrayc Jordan's supporting cast was so much better. Gasoft was a shitty player compared to HOFers like Pippen or Rodman
MrKobeClutchBryant 1 week ago
@MrKobeClutchBryant
Bleacher reports are written by "fans", not sports analysts.
Secondly, show me the link to this "report" that says kobe's a better scorer, perimeter player, passer & ball handler.
Lets see it..
Like everything else you've posted on here, it's just a damn lie because if ANY of that were actually true, it would be reflected in his on-court production like it is for everyone else, yet it NEVER is LOL!!
Man get outta here with that bullsh*t...
blackadam06 1 week ago
Makes me sick how a lot of you only value scoring. Sure, maybe Kobe will have more points by the end of his career but MJ is better all across the board as an overall basketball player. When has Kobe ever scored 50% of his FG attempts? Yeah, efficiency counts too.
TrueHeroUnderGod89 1 week ago
untill kobe become the best player on the his own damn team, then we will talk.
TurboD16z6 2 weeks ago
@TurboD16z6 no one will talk to u cus u don't know shit.
thisnamealsotaken 1 week ago
@qyxzz great comparison!
psychomajoreflex 2 weeks ago
MJ is an efficient organizer while Cobe is just a good player.
heg143 2 weeks ago
@heg143 HOW IS KOBE NOT AN "efficient organizer"
MrKobeClutchBryant 1 week ago
This is retarded. Sorry. First of all, I could get a bunch of clips of Jordan dribbling and shooting the ball and Kobe feeding it to Pau and say that MJ kept on not facilitating. This is why I hate these videos, they're so one sided. I'm not saying Jordan isn't better, but come on. Really
DaMysteereusMon 2 weeks ago
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@DaMysteereusMon
It's AMAZING how many of U dumb kids get on here and are TOO STUPID to realize what the POINT of this video is trying to show.
The video is showcasing "WHY" kobe consistently misses more shots than MJ while playing in the SAME offense that its creator says: "made life easier" for MJ.
I got 2 words for U retard: shot selection
That's what he's pointing out in this video!!
If you're too ignorant to see this then the issue CLEARLY lies with U, and not in the video itself...SMH
blackadam06 2 weeks ago
@DaMysteereusMon
because when mj takes control and go one on one, mj can sustain momentum while shooting effectively at 50 percent. kobe can't. when Chi lose, its because his team is shooting poorly. When Lakers lose, its because kobe is shooting poorly. Dudes not even the best on the damn team, its Paul Gasol
TurboD16z6 2 weeks ago
@TurboD16z6 LOL Gasol the best on the team. You mean the guy who got dominated in the playoffs by Dirk and Landry and the same guy the Lakers are trying to package in any trade they can get. I would have prefer you say Bynum at least that would have been arguable. And Kobe has shot poorly this year but to say it's all his fault they lose is ignorant when they have arguably the worst bench and starting PG in the league. And it wouldn't hurt to get a true backup SG for Kobe either.
htownborn92 1 week ago
The thing I hate about Kobe is his poor decision making. He always takes a low percentage shot but they usually go in but still his shot selection is terrible.
xXGermszXx 2 weeks ago
I'm a Kobe fan and I got to say I like your breakdown on Jordan vs Kobe way better than Bruce Blitz and his biased breakdown's on Kobe.I like both players and I think Kobe's the closest thing to Jordan in today's NBA in terms of his style of play but this video pretty much shows what sets them apart which is efficiency, IQ, statistics, and accolades.
htownborn92 2 weeks ago
Kobe and Jordan are both great that's all im saying
Tipzyz9 2 weeks ago
everyone knows jordan was the greatest...pointless video
goodmusicforu 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Thank you. At long last, someone who gets why Jordan is better.
axilmar 2 weeks ago
You also say that MJ did the same iso stuff Kobe is doing, earlier in his carreer. If you look at MJ's numbers in the late 80s you can also see that MJ was at least much more efficient with it!
Agen7Smith 2 weeks ago
Hey, you could approach the MJ vs Kobe question whole differenty by comparing each part of their skillsets with one another, and going into detail on who is the better scorer, rebounder, passer (which you already show in this video), ball handler, one-on-one defender, athlete... (All in each of their prime)
I think it would also be pretty clear who gets the edge on such a comparrison! How about doing such a video? Maybe with Lebron vs MJ too?
Agen7Smith 2 weeks ago
Mj was a beast and still the greatest.. so efficient..!
yahshuatwo 2 weeks ago
The truth! The facts..
yahshuatwo 2 weeks ago
Kobe is better than Jordan?
If you still watch NBA today, Kobe is not even better than Rose or Lebron today. It's fact
OakMeesiri 2 weeks ago 12
@OakMeesiri ofcourse he is not better than rose and lebron today, he is fcking 33 yrs old and has 16 seasons in the grueling nba, while lechoke is 27 and has 9 seasons. if u wanna use facts in ur argument then at least don't twist them.
thisnamealsotaken 1 week ago
@thisnamealsotaken
When Jordan 33yrs he can lead bull win 72-10 and NBA champ 3yrs consecutive.
But when Kobe 33yrs, Yea it's fcking 33 yrs and has 16 seasons as you said.
Don't get me wrong, i am one of Kobe fan but when somebody told Kobe better than MJ, they never know the true basketball.
OakMeesiri 1 week ago
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@OakMeesiri You give all the credit to one player? Jordan did lead his team to a 72 win season but he had an amazing supporting cast. Kobe in place of Jordan on that team would have done equal or better. Its so funny how idiots put Jordan over Kobe without thinking about how much the game has changed. Kobe plays in a league 10x more talented than the league Jordan played in.
barrelroll92253 1 week ago
@OakMeesiri first of all ur not a kobe fan, so don't fool anyone with that, its clear ur a lebron and mj fan. and u don't know true basketball either cus if u did u would know that kobe had more seasons that mj at age 33 cus kobe came out of high school, and the difference between a season in college and nba is the difference between a lifting a rock and lifting a house. ill finish with the next sentence that summarizes it the best: kobe will never be mj, just like lebron will never be kobe.
thisnamealsotaken 1 week ago
@thisnamealsotaken
KB had more seasons at age 33 than Jordan, it's mean he play in NBA more than MJ but why he could not success like MJ and his stat also? and I believe he could not do 3 champ in next 3 years consecutive. Sorry you are collect only 50%, I am MJ fan but not LB fan. I like Kobe8 style Strong, Fast, Creative but when he turn to 24, he imitate MJ style and I never comment he could be MJ or not but i said when anybody told Kobe are better than MJ, It's ridiculous.
OakMeesiri 1 week ago
@OakMeesiri i couldn't understand a thing of what u wrote lol, whr u from? cus if u speak another language better then try that.
well if ur an mj fan then why are u arguing with me cus i said before that mj is far better than kobe. the only reason ppl compare kobe to mj is because of all the other players he is the best one.
thisnamealsotaken 1 week ago
@thisnamealsotaken
Sorry for my poor language, I don't want to argue with u about MJ but sorry this vid is about MJ and Kobe. Am I right?
And I said, KB does not better than Lebron or Rose today, (Please accepting the true)
But you had send a message to comment about Kobe ages so I reply to u. How could he better than MJ? because MJ can chase many trophies and rings when he was 33yrs. Am i right?
OakMeesiri 1 week ago
@OakMeesiri i asked u whr are u from?
and stop saying lebron is better when u claim ur not a lebron fan. today kobe is still better than lebron skill wise, even rose but athletically they are better than him cus of his age (pls accept the truth and stop riding lebrons dick secretly lol).
mj has 6 rings, only one more than kobe not many.
learn english and then come argue.
thisnamealsotaken 1 week ago
@thisnamealsotaken
1. Kobe 5 rings? NO it's Shaq 3 rings (2000-2002)
2. Yea Kobe is still better than Lebron and Rose. It was proved on court!
- 25 Dec 11 : Bull 88 Laker 87
- 19 Jan 12 : Heat 98 Laker 87
3. Why r u always talk about Fuck and Dick? Do you have any sex problem? or Lebron dick is your dream?
4. Did you see all star today? KD is MVP where is Kobe? Oh sorry he is too old that is answer from you.
5. I don't care my poor english because it's fact. I accept it and so what?
OakMeesiri 1 week ago
@OakMeesiri You obviously don't know much about basketball. Darant won the MVP and where is Kobe? Oh I'm sorry he was to busy scoring 28 points and becoming the all time leader in points surpassing who? Mike,.
hennylo68 1 week ago
@hennylo68
Congratulation to KB for all time leader in points of ALL STAR ENTERTAINMENT 2012
I hope KB can do more in regular season, not his score but Laker winning record.
I hope KB can lead Gasol, Bynum, Fisher and all good teammate to win 73-9 in 2013, surpass Bull98 too :)
I hope I hope and I hope
Good luck Kobe
OakMeesiri 1 week ago
@OakMeesiri hahaha ur nuts, u muslim piece of shit.
1 if shaq won those 3 rings then pippin and rodman won those 6 rings for ur buttboy jordan so good luck using that reason u moron. no one in the history of basketball ever won a ring alone, THEY ALL HAD HELP.
2 kobe is best player after jordan, accept it and move on.
3 no ur mom took care of that LOL
4 yes, i saw how kobe shot 20 points IN LECHOCKES face.
5 if u accept facts then also accept that kobe is best.
ur blocked, bye osama.
thisnamealsotaken 1 week ago
@thisnamealsotaken The difference is that Shaq was the leader of that 3-peat Lakers team, while Kobe played sidekick. Why else do you think Shaq won 3 Finals MVPs during the 3-peat? MJ, like Shaq, was the leader of all his 6 champs since he won 6 Finals MVPs. Do you know that MJ's playoff PPG is 33.4 and he has the highest PPG average in the NBA Finals than any player in history? When Bulls were in the playoffs, MJ carried the flag every fucking time. You cannot say the same for Kobe.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 week ago
@GunsNRosesbitches
Thank you, this is very good answer :)
I hope kobe fan will understand this too.
OakMeesiri 1 week ago
@thisnamealsotaken
Haha now I know ur absolutely idiot gal who always feel good after look down somebody, pity gal
1. I never said MJ can win alone but u forget something? KB HAS good teammate too Gasol Bynum etc, he is captain but he cannot lead them to win. Now it's proved some moron gal not understand basketball.
2. Yes ur correct no argument
3. Please ask your parent to give u an education of decorum course.
4. Yes Lebron is suck
5. Yes Kobe WAS best.
Finally i am not Muslim,I eat pork :)
OakMeesiri 1 week ago
@thisnamealsotaken I believe Kobe will win another title and tie Mike. Maybe not this year or maybe they make some sort of deal. But he will win another, he wants it way to much. No other player in the league wants to win as much.
hennylo68 1 week ago
michael never lost the final who does that
Michaelmyers123ify 2 weeks ago
no matter what nobody said michael will always be the best ask kobe your damn self
Michaelmyers123ify 2 weeks ago
4:39 love it. Leadership "calm down let's regroup". That's an intangible. Either you have it innately or you don't. And Michael sure did! That's one of the most determining factors that separates him from today's superstars.
rrTale 3 weeks ago 2
that explains the big difference in fg%
jstrong151 3 weeks ago
bballbreakdown I'm 5 7 and I can do some crazy dunks. Honestly, anyone can do it, just workout the right way. I personally used the program at "50inchvertical [dot] com" but any workout could be followed if you know they generate results
meisimeydenxbj 3 weeks ago
This is one of the worse compare and contrast videos—of any subjects—I have ever seen.
And just to clarify(so no one thinks I am a Kobe fanboy) I believe MJ is indeed better than Kobe.
My problem with this video is that it is extremely biased. The guy shows shots that kobe missed vs shots that MJ made. I am sorry, but the comparisons are all flawed. Eventhough I think MJ is better, I can go ahead and make a compilation of Kobe's make vs MJ's miss and claim that Kobe is better.
Stupid.
Zturism 3 weeks ago 2
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blackadam06 3 weeks ago
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@Zturism
Apparently you're about as DUMB as these ignorant ass kobe fans on here, if you've failed to comprehend what the point of this video is, which apparently is the case here.
It's NOT about highlighting kobe's misses to make MJ look better dumb ass!
The POINT of the video is to show "WHY" he consistently misses more than MJ in an offense, that its creator says "made life easier" for MJ!!
I got 2 words kiddo: SHOT SELECTION!!
That's WHAT he's highlighting in this video!!
Get a clue..SMH
blackadam06 3 weeks ago
You just showed how much you know about basketball, nothing! It's not about jordan making the shots and kobe missing them, it's about how they set up the offense, run it and make plays. Missing the shot doesn't make a play bad, it just didn't go in.
GoldenSuperJP 3 weeks ago
@GoldenSuperJP
"it's about how they set up the offense, run it and make plays"
Oh really?
Now you've just shown how much U know about MJ's role with CHI vs kobe's with LA: nothing!
"I [never] asked Michael to be a [playmaker]. That's the [greatest player] that I've [ever had], that I could consider the greatest player in the game, and I [never] asked him to be a [playmaker] in those terms."
-- Phil Jackson: "Love Triangle: Michael, Phil and Kobe"; ESPN Page 2 Feb 12, 2002
Try again..
blackadam06 2 weeks ago
True that, i mistook you for a kobe fan. Now that i look at my comment, it looks like i'm actually defending bryant, which isn't supposed to be the case.
GoldenSuperJP 2 weeks ago
so true!
bigbird1006 3 weeks ago
and kobe knows that
joellpc 4 weeks ago
michael is the besttttttttttttttttttttttttttt than kobe everybody knows that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guwapongguwapo 4 weeks ago
really bro this vid dont prove anythin at all, kobe's game indeed is mike's stop hatin and watch just for the love of the game
kameli3223 4 weeks ago
@kameli3223
Kobe's game IS NOT MJ's.
How can it be when 17.4% of his career shots are from the 3pt line?!!
MJ didn't over rely on the 3ptr to score like kobe does, nor does kobe drive as much as MJ did in his earlier days. He's also not as effective on the blocks or moving w/o the ball, something that both Phil & Tex Winter consistently pointed out.
Kobe consistently settles for low % shots, rendering him less effective as MJ.
That's not hating kiddo..these are just the facts..
blackadam06 3 weeks ago 15
for me its just the matter of what works for you for your present skill. kobe was facilitating like michael when they won 3 consecutive championships. and over facilitated like lebron when they lost to pistons in 2003. you see kobe adjusted over the years, ive watched him all throughout his career and for me he is a legend.
keithplaywitit 4 weeks ago
@keithplaywitit He's definitely a legend. No arguments there.
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@blackadam06 last 3 years as a bull grant avg'ed 9.4 reb ,9.9 reb and 11.00 with atleast 14 points each year so thats basically whT gasol does now he basically avg'ed a double double so hush
Mr3treking 4 weeks ago
@blackadam06 then u clearly smoked usain bolt
Mr3treking 4 weeks ago
this guy is totally right micheal jordan will always be the best!
MrBreakdancer18 4 weeks ago
This is only part of it .. there is more to it .. I like Kobe alot but MJ is DEFINITLEY the better player .. POINT BLANK .. And this is coming from a guy who thinks kobe is the best currently .. He's the closest thing to MJ I've ever seen but not close enough ..
silkysmooth2012 1 month ago
Awesome breakdown Coach Nick. Kobetard fans..fail to recognize this. They think by kobe passing the ball to the bigs...that he's doing his job and let the bigs go to work. Good point in him being passive. 8+ years with Phil...still kobe hasn't learn. Plain and simple -- Altho he's an all time great-- he is polarizing even to his team.
hoovinc 1 month ago
This is too biased, if you are going to make comparisons atleast show both flaws and accomplishments. Of course anyone who sees this will think jordan is better because you only show his goods, and only kobes bads
manwe24 1 month ago
@blackadam06 and ofcourse he would say that u do realize kobe also said b4 " dnt wanna be the next i wanna be the first kobe bryant "
Mr3treking 1 month ago
@blackadam06 and incase u havent notice uve had 3 pl now come at u which means more then just me see ur wrong so just stop u sound dumb
Mr3treking 1 month ago
@Mr3treking
"uve had 3 pl now come at u"
What's your point?
That doesn't make any of U dummies right...
blackadam06 1 month ago
@blackadam06 dude i have a 3.2 gpa and major in psychology u really not gonna pull what ur tryin to becuz 1 i proved my point 2 if i recall YOU threw that brandon marshall tantrum on your second comment sayin i was dumb and a stupid kid and all this other shit when 1. neva meet me 2. u didnt no my age 3.u didnt no i attend college and have the gpa i have so plz stop insulting ya self by trying to reverse shit
Mr3treking 1 month ago
@Mr3treking
"dude i have a 3.2 gpa and major in psychology"
Right....and I beat Usain Bolt in a race yesterday..
"i proved my point"
Because U insist that U did?
Where's the evidence of what U say?
blackadam06 1 month ago
@blackadam06 1 u are really just refusing to accept that jordan had low post players
Mr3treking 1 month ago
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@Mr3treking
"u are really just refusing to accept that jordan had low post players"
Not dominant ones...
U disagree? Prove it...
Lets see U list some of their body of work..
blackadam06 1 month ago
It is definitely true that Kobe's triangle has been affected by the zone. There's no doubt about that, and simply calling people who point that out uninformed youth is just logical fallacy.
It is also unfair to compare Jordan's title run highlights against one of Kobe's worst playoff performances vs. Dallas. Kobe ran the triangle to perfection during the 2010 Finals against the Celtics, and that would have made for a much better comparison.
gqiq 1 month ago
@gqiq it is definitely true that it has become much easier to score due to hand checking being disallowed. Just like it's true that your mother is a worthless whore who should be shot for giving birth to such a retard
kobeisapunkrapist 1 month ago
@gqiq
"It is definitely true that Kobe's triangle has been affected by the zone"
SMH..wow
"You [can’t] just be a [zone team]. That’s just [not going to work] in this league because [teams and players] will adjust."
-- Rick Carlisle: "Buying into concept of zone defense" by Jeff Caplan; Nov 23, 2010
Yet U wonder why I associate words like moron, dumb & ignorant with U obviously young fools on here?
SMH....like I said...wow
blackadam06 1 month ago
agreed. a bit bias in the video.
by the way, you cant compare kobe/lakers's disorganized offense (2011) to a young a healthy jordan/bulls.
EOSONER 1 month ago
Also, clear bias in this video, your comparison of Kobe's shot (2:08) and Jordan's shot (2:15) ridiculous. You call Kobe's shot "very tough", then Jordan takes the EXACT same shot (actually, from about 4-5 feet farther) and you call it a good play.
Once again, Kobe and Jordan do the same exact thing (3:04 for Kobe) (3:33 for Jordan), but you call Kobe's play bad and Jordan's good. Also, Gasol is an excellent spot up shooter for a big-man. That is a great shot.
HaloGruntLover 1 month ago
So, you take a couple of games (the Kobe games are from when the Lakers were as dysfunctional as they have ever been with him, seriously, they had a problem last year) and a couple of games from when the Bulls were in the prime. Just a couple of games out of THOUSANDS, and you think this is good evidence?
I'm not supporting Kobe. Only an idiot would say he is better than the clear GOAT in Michael Jordan. But, cmon, you could at least get some better stuff than this.
HaloGruntLover 1 month ago
@PesoMediaMovement exactly
Mr3treking 1 month ago
All you proved was Kobe hit much harder shots, and how the zone defense makes running set offenses more difficult.
PesoMediaMovement 1 month ago
@PesoMediaMovement
“Last season, Jordan had to [overcome] the harassment of [zone traps] and [double & triple teaming] to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game”
– Sam Goldpaper: “Challenges for Jordan: New League Rule and New Role”; NY Times, Nov 4, 1987
NEWSFLASH KIDDO: zone principles have been in the NBA LOONG B4 kobe & U ignorant Y2K kids came along!
It's amazing just how incredibly uninformed & CLUELESS your generation is about MJ, as well as the history of the game..SMH
blackadam06 1 month ago
@PesoMediaMovement
What you've seen from 2001-present isn't even a REAL zone, because the defensive 3-sec rule prevents it from being one. That ALONE keeps the Bigs from camping out in the lanes (like they could in MJ's era), thus making it EASIER to drive to the hole!
No zone defense would "consistently" be effective against a good/great passing & shooting team, as the championship Bulls consistently PROVED.
U kids today are seriously uninformed and don't know ANYTHING about the game...SMH
blackadam06 1 month ago 2
@blackadam06 Preach dude!!! Tell these kids what they missed!!!
UchihaBlood15 4 weeks ago
@PesoMediaMovement FACT: NO HANDCHECKING.. NO BIGS CAMPING IN THE LANE.. HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SAY THAT KOBE IS HAVING MORE TROUBLE.. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT BASKETBALL IS.. GO PRACTICE!
UchihaBlood15 4 weeks ago
@blackadam06 umm grant ??? whT was he oh ok dude shut up u goin in circles right now and it actually becoming funny ur a jordan dick rider come on ur better then this
Mr3treking 1 month ago
@Mr3treking
Funny how U can levy these insults about my alleged "stupidity", but can't invalidate 1 thing I've said..
Now I KNOW you're just some dumb kid, because whenever U morons run out of excuses & know that U can't invalidate what the other guy is saying, U lash out in some juvenile temper tantrum.
It's just a childish attempt at distracting others from noticing that U
A) can't prove what U say. And
B) to make the other guy back down from further exposing U
blackadam06 1 month ago
@Mr3treking
And for the record kiddo, Horace Grant made his "offensive" living by floating to the open areas and making 10-15 ft JUMP SHOTS, after the center or MJ was doubled teamed.
He was NOT a "traditional" back to basket, post up scorer like traditional PF's like Dale & Antonio Davis, Oakley etc..
Yes he was listed as a PF, but he made his living shooting jumpers...
blackadam06 1 month ago
Can u do Derrick rose/Rajon rondo
Thenewzboyof2000 1 month ago
@blackadam06 facts this comin from the idiot that said mj neva had a low post player fuck outta hea
Mr3treking 1 month ago
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@Mr3treking
"this comin from the idiot that said mj neva had a low post player"
Now your b*tch ass is just lying to save face...SMH
I NEVER said that!
I said that he's only had 1 season where his post player (center) avg'd in double figures, and that's TRUE (Longley in '98).
And don't give me that bullsh*t about Toni Kukoc because he WAS NOT a post player. Granted he was listed as their PF and was 6'10, but he played on the perimeter because that's what his skilled set revolved around.
blackadam06 1 month ago
@blackadam06 jordan has also come out b4 nd said kobe is a top ten all time then a few years later said he prob number W so my point is hop of mj nuts and give respect where its due
Mr3treking 1 month ago
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@Mr3treking
"jordan has also come out b4 nd said kobe is a top ten all time"
Are U just dumb?
No one's disputing that he's an All Time Top 10 player, nor is it an evaluation of him that's based on his own merit.
This is a damn comparison, so what part of this don't U get?!!
The nature of a comparison is to highlight & contrast the differences between 2 or more players, to determine who consistently was/is better, so therefore someone's gonna come up short!
Mr3treking = void of any comprehension
blackadam06 1 month ago
@blackadam06 u do realize mj himself has thrown ya whole arguement out the door cuz he himself has constantly come out and said kobe best in the nba and just recently came out and said no player in history deserves to be compared to him BUT KOBE so umm u defending someone that aint even on ya side lmao stupid ppl these days
Mr3treking 1 month ago
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@Mr3treking
1st of all U goddamn idiot, what does MJ saying kobe's the best in the NBA have to do with the comparison between them?
Secondly, if your dumb ass had actually listened to the interview and the context in which he was saying kobe's earned the comparison, he was ONLY referring to kobe's work ethic and efforts spent, not on their respective skill levels U dumb f*ck...SMH
blackadam06 1 month ago
seriously, anyone who argues that kobe is better than jordan is retarded..
xxbluejay21 1 month ago
That's not a pick and roll at 3:10 that's a pick and pop. Get it right, coach!
MariosLasagna 1 month ago
Pointing out the flaws of anyone past their prime against a prime Michael isn't hard. Especially when everyone and their mother kisses MJ's ass incessantly. Not knocking Mike, I just think it's annoying how no one even lets the conversation develop into a debate. Everyone either instinctually rags on Kobe, sucks up to Michael, or both. Neither to be seen here.
Great breakdown regardless, Coach. An unbiased comparison unlike some other Chicagoan YouTuber I know...
241Opportunist 1 month ago
@241Opportunist Agreed. No offense to any true Jordan fans, but I think some people just ride Jordan's nuts because they know him as the greatest of all time and not because they actually watched him play and saw how great he was.
blacktee31 1 month ago
And here I thought I was the only sane person to ever mention the two in the same breath. Jordan diehards are just rabid with their defense of this guy sometimes. It's ridiculous AND annoying.
241Opportunist 1 month ago
@241Opportunist I agree.
blacktee31 1 month ago
@241Opportunist and so are kobe diehards.
xxbluejay21 1 month ago
@241Opportunist
"everyone and their mother kisses MJ's ass incessantly"
See..comments like that are WHY longtime fans break out the facts to validate our position on the matter.
Anytime the facts & evidence contradicts (and invalidates) your uninformed, fanboy rhetoric about current players, as it relates to MJ or any other legend, the 1st thing U silly ass Y2K kids wanna scream is: "you're biased"..SMH
And for what?
Just to keep from acknowledging the TRUTH of the matter?
Grow up kiddo...SMH
blackadam06 1 month ago
@241Opportunist
U guys are the ones who keep making the comparison. You're also the one's who'll make the most ignorant, uninformed and just FLAT OUT FALSE claims about MJ or his era, just to make a more favorable comparison for kobe.
But then when knowledgable fans respond with the facts of the matter, then y'all start crying like bitches and claiming that someone's "hating" or being "biased"..SMH
blackadam06 1 month ago
@241Opportunist
con't.
If the facts about how he DOESN'T stack up to MJ bothers U so much, then U should either:
A) educate yourself on the matter B4 posting, or
B) take it up with kobe
Because when it comes to explaining "why" his individual resume & on-court production is consistently inferior to MJ's (especially in the playoffs), we're not the one's who made up or brought any of that stuff into fruition...he did!!
blackadam06 1 month ago
Seriously? Two comments rehashing the same point? Typing in leet? Are you 40 or fucking 14?
When have I EVER made a Kobe-Michael comparison? Or can you not fucking read? Ex-players FROM YOUR ERA are making these comparisons, not me. Are you calling the very players you're talking about stupid and ill-informed? Point made.
Swear, you old fucks need reading glasses badly.
241Opportunist 6 days ago
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@241Opportunist
"Are you 40 or fucking 14?"
Neither..
How about yourself...
"Ex-players FROM YOUR ERA are making these comparisons"
That's funny because I always heare 'em say that there's no comparison.
"Are you calling the very players you're talking about stupid and ill-informed?"
No, just dumb fans of his like yourself because it's obvious..
"Swear, you old fucks need reading glasses badly"
And I swear U young idiots SERIOUSLY need some historical perspective on the matter B4 U post..
blackadam06 6 days ago
@blackadam06 oh u talkin bout when kobe was hated on for shootin so much and to prove haters lik u wrong he stop shootin and omg la lost to phonix by lik 20+ nd what ppl say welp cant blame kobe he to 6 hoots and passed and la still lost face dude u proof sucks cuz as i recall if u wanna throw that srat up ok like i said NO JORDAN ALL OF 94 ND WHERE THE BULLS GO ? AR DEEP IN THE PLAYOFFS WITH NO MJ OK THEN NOW STFU U OLD IDIOT
Mr3treking 1 month ago
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blackadam06 1 month ago
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@Mr3treking
Kobe consistently misses more shots in the playoffs than he does in the reg season.
In fact if U total ALL of his reg season & playoff sub 42-48% games, he's been BELOW 40% 1/3 of his career!
Don't even get me started on that or your ass will really be on here crying.
Dumb comments like yours are the reason WHY knowledgable fans "rag on" kobe.
He can thank his dumb ass fan base who NEVER know WTF they're talkin' about (yet are ALWAYS trying to elaborate on this subject) for that.
blackadam06 1 month ago