the larger car manufacturers build internal combustion engines and have a vested interest in keeping electric cars OFF the road, add the self-interest of the oil companies and we will never see viable electric cars within 100 years, when the oil runs out we may do
Electric Motors tend to have more torque, and leave gas engines by the way side... although in these early days of transition from gas to electric... the car industry tend to utilize the smallest electric motors to weight ratio of car...robust electrical motors would outpace the fastest (Formula 1 racer)...... since fuel cars are only 20% efficient while electric motors are 90% efficient by comparison.
A SMALL GAS MOTOR RUNNING A GENERATOR , LIKE THIS SYSTEM , SHOULD BE THE NORMAL STANDARD VEHICLE . IT CUTS INTO GAS CONSUMPTION GREATLY , AND I BELIEVE WOULD SOLVE THE NEEDS FOR PETROLEUM , FOR NOW. THE ONLY NEED IT DOESN'T FILL IS THE NORTH AMERICAN NEED FOR BIG POWERFUL VEHICLES .
Awesome! Now just get rid of the engine and hook that generator up to the wheels or a smaller motor... And there you have it... Free, unlimited energy.
@DarkPrince013 look up "law of conservation of energy" to understand why that doesn't work. In a nutshell, generator creates resistance which requires more power output to overcome. That means more power waisted. The reason regenerative braking works well is because we are recapturing energy already used by propelling the vehicle forward. We will always need an outside fuel source to move a vehicle forward, it's only a question of how efficient this outside source is.
I built my first small go-cart type electric car using two rear wheel , identicle motore.worked great untill turning too many corners burned out both motors. neighbor had an old junked golf cart, so he gave it to me and I cut off the front and top, and just attached the drivetrain and excellerator and universal rear drive to it, and it lasted untill i moved to the country, and broke it going over too hearty terrain.
Excellent video. See my channel electric motor new design.It is very original model of electric motor (it has no accelerating coil, special phase-shifting devices and condensers).
The Elica has wheel motors. It's the very best for efficiency.
Motors in the wheels has been around a very, very, long time. Automakers all like to fool the public into beleiving they were the first to do that, or do such and such. That's because they know they are marketing to the technically challenged masses, who will beleive anything.
that is true the idea had been around for a long time. over 100 years actually, in the 1890s it was first patented.
purche even manufactured electric model with wheel motors in 1900.
i personally think its not a great idea to have them on the wheels due to all the bouncing and such it would likely damage them. it would be smarter to just have small drive shafts so that they would be able to take advantage of the cars suspension to dampen any bumps.
More and More Hybrid Electric Cars are being built. Volvo will Lead in the Hybrid Electric revolution. Ford has produced a Fleet of them. Toyota is releasing their Plug-in come 2012. GM has the Chevrolet Volt. Tesla Model S will also be due Summer 2012. Nissan has the LeaF.
@4x4Oldschool Unsprung weight is not a big problem. First, the motors are not that heavy. Second, you don't have to attach them directly to the wheel - you can have a short drive axle between the unsprung motor and the sprung wheel.
If the 'fuel' engine is only there to charge the batteries then why not just put in a small electric generator? Fueled by petrol, but can run for 2 hours, and all it does is charge the batteries! Sounds OK to me.
One could offer the choice to fuel(charge) the car while meter parked. Would this work for low light/sun days? How much would you pay for such a service? Parkades could offer this service too.
Why not charging through the street? Why using tires? Why not keeping cars in a very complex system of virtual tracks? The primitive method of steering, tires and systems that are not like railway tracks - only more complex - has to come to an end.
my english is bad. but why only two wels chariging battery whay not all 4. and why can not charge battery when is on electricaly. economicaly were better charging battery when is on electric and benzin, or diezel.
Why dont they get a single piston RC plane engine to continuously charge the batteries via generator ? add regen brakes, solar body panels and look for at least 1000 miles to a tank of fuel!!!
The only problem is that the car I drive has a 1.9L gas engine in it that does it all and mileage is very good. I am bulding an electric car that may have a very small 1/2 horse engine running a 100 amp alternator. It would charge the batteries while parked at work and, it would only burn a pint of gas at a time. The same motor that drives the car can be used as a generator so perhaps a separate alternator is not required. An electric car with a big heavy gas engine seems wrong.
the problem with all these "new-tech cars" (this tech is since the 70's but not i cars) is that when u will have a problem u wont find any specialized tecs to repair it and also the parts would be super expensive.i am not telling that it shouldnt be done just saying what the problems still are.
Energy sources without the need for fuel or energy input exist ,But the Establishment doesn't want ppl to know this,Get the blueprints for a free energy motor at LT-MAGNET-MOTORdotCOM ,Free yourself!
This is absolutely NOTHING new... It's used for a long time in HUGE mining trucks. The 3500hp engine generate electricity wich "moves" electric motors in each wheel, then when the truck needs to brake (going down) it uses induction of these motors to brake and just wastes it in heat lol
Diesel electric mine trucks don't have battery energy storage to capture and reuse energy from regenerative braking. As you say, they blow it off via a bank of rheostat the same as most train locomotives.
@tsport100 well hahaha looking it that way, yes... they replaced the air-cooled resistances with PWM controller and batteries... well... today a lot of things are invented and innovation come step by step... little step... hehe cheers
Why use such a large motor for a generator when the batteries alone can drive the car 100km? A second power plant is a lot of extra weight that a car driven by batteries could do without.
Why does nobody question the 1.6 litre engine? A car only uses 5hp tp maintain speed, the extra power they are capable of is rarely used, the battery provides a buffer so the peak power of the range extender barely needs to be more than a lawnmower engine. Having a 1.6 litre engine (probably 4 cylinders?) is complete overkill with a great deal of wasted materials in production, and increased weight and internal losses from having bigger, heavier and more moving parts...
The USA needs to get on the ball and start marketing global charging facilities for these electric cars. The marketing strategy is backwards. Also unify how the electrical demand will be handled between different designs. If one vehicle charges on way and some designs one that charges slower then what? Major cities should already have plans for parking meter style charging facilities. Don't wait until there is a 100 different charge receptacles on these cars. Designers are you listening?
@toyotaprius79 "this is copying every thing Lexus has done" You are retarded. I suppose you think that Lexus copied Mercedes Benz by choosing to use 4 wheels for its cars?
There's one problem, Volvo has taken most of the ideas from toyota especially when it comes to battery size and to make it most affordable but practical in performance but instead of 1 motor not four the battery will run out quick. But most of this is seen in the prius but the engine also runs the car
4 motors setup is much more efficient that a central motor. You can install four motors a quater of the size of the central motor, you will not need more power and you willnot waist energy to transmit the power to the wheels.
On top of that you will be able to recuperate 80%+ of the power through regenerative breaking, reduce weight of the car and leave more room for cargo or batteries.
Electric motors are not something new; they have been around since electricity was invented. The electric wheel is a electric motor with a wheel and brakes attached. Build yourself an electric motor wheel and the oil/auto companies will make you an offer you can’t refuse. We will not be able to buy this technology until every drop of oil is removed from the earth. If you don’t believe me, buy yourself an electric motor wheel. If and when you do, let me know where you got it from!
Someone in this tread made the comment "its too much technology at once". That is not the problem with technology. The problem is the oil companies letting this technology onto the market place and putting them out of business. Wheel motors not only put the oil companies out business but the current auto makers as well. Think about it, if you replace the transmission, drive train, gas motor, repair service and all its associated parts, just how many people you put out of business.
Well, on a 1000 mile business trip you might not have the time for several times of 3 hour recharging. But I see what you mean.
But I would go for a small engine driving a small generator for longer time, even when you stop for a pee. The recharging engine can be highly optimized for this.
Question, why instead of having an engine to recharge the batteries, put two generators (for example) on the rear wheels in order to make the vehicle self-sufficient.
So, uhm, why not save the generator, katalysator, exaust system, motor, fuel tank and everything else that has to do with conservative fuel, and add the saved weight in more batteries?
I mean, for the average consumer a car that can go 300 kilometers on electricity alone would be more beneficial. Save the cost for the batterys.
At least as an optional model this would make sense.
Is there no plan to use this on heavy truck? Just think if there is no need of transmission, differentials, propeller shaft, drive shaft, and axles. These will be a savings on weights.
i don't get it? why not have two set's of batt's & two generators when one system propels the car the other charges then when set #1 gets low it switches to set#2 to propel the car & charge set#1??
That's an awesome concept; however, "real world" tests need to be done first before mass production. Car companies would need to do a lot of "real world" tests before investing in this type of technology. I like this concept and for EVs, but as for me as a consumer, I want peace of mind to know that what's stated on paper and on individual tests are true. It would give me a huge headache to find out the EV I purchased has defects.
All wheel drive, battery powered and it's a Volvo... sounds great. Wish this could've been developed a few years ago but late is better than never I suppose.
@MarkSDCA : it is affordable, about 2k per electric motor comes to 8k, 1k for battery bank, inverter probably 300, small ICE around 1k, on top of other things, brand new the car's production is about 18-22k. Brand new conventional car can run you around the same. The problem is the dealerships marking up the price to consumers because these types of vehicles last longer (and cause less sales).
Dealer markup is all part of the cost. If the FEDs or states offer incentives the $ will go to the dealers not to offset the cost of the car to the consumer. No matter what, the company and supply chain will get money to stay in business.
@MarkSDCA : dealer markup is not part of "cost"...it is part of "profits". There is a big difference. When you figure staff salary and % of sales per day etc. etc. the costs would be 5% roughly above unit itself, but they markup the vehicles 15-20%, and for electric cars, they mark those up 20-25%. The reason is because they make "some" money off of repairing vehicles, and electric cars actually get repaired 3x less.
Also, if u run out of charge, u've a gasoline engine 2 back u up. This concept could be made much more efficient if u can somehow remove the gasoline engine when nt required. This would decrease its weight and increase its efficiency!!!!!!
This ought 2 be the most economical solution and practical use of hybrid technologies. This is bcozz cars lyk tht of Toyota Prius and Honda Insight save money bt very little in comparison 2 other cars bt since here, u get an option 4r recharging and running up2 100 kms on a single charge with the help of a battery, and also u have a regenerative braking system, this car would be run most of the tym in battery mode and we know tht electricity/mile is cheaper than gasoline.
only problem with this is that there are way too many new technologies combined at once. wheel motors, flexi fuel whatsit... probably lithium battery, with its extreme fire hazard.
build a traditional car, with standard drive train, just put in an electric motor and controller under the hood. and do it at a price point that people are not so scared of, and you will make a fortune
@tsport100 koenigsegg quant, their doing it the right way,expensive but the right way,its electric only and it uses solar energy to extend it's range or minimize time spent recharging,a car could prob also use wind energy to extend it s autonomy during the night,thats if it was already low on power
its much better than developing USELESS things in the long run,cause that generator is just useless
@fakiir An electric motor under the hood, accompanied by a range extender, would be much too large. Putting the motors in the hubs increases the amount of room available.
Flex fuel is hardly new, not that much of a remarkable technology because alternative fuels aren't too commonly available. It seems like something nice but not necessary, and certainly not too complex.
And lithium ion permits immense space and weight savings, which are both at a premium in a plug in hybrid.
@fakiir my Chevy volt has a 10 year 150,000 mile warranty that includes any battery failures, i may not own it 10 years as a better car is sure to be put into production before then , like the Nissan leaf which is 100% electric but i dont know what the warranty is like on it. i would love to meet some one who buys one to see how it compares to the volt in the real world
@fakiir Not all lithium batteries have fire hazards. Only the li-po batteries have that extreme of a hazard. Lithium-ions however do not, though are not as efficent as li-pos. The battery in this video is more than likely a li-ion due to being safer and still giving better performance than nimh or nicad. Great concept, and it actually is "kiss." Electric vehicles (pure electric) have less items in them compared to a gas vehicle.
electric cars witha a single on board motor waste about 60 percent of the energy because mechanical parts are still used to deliver energy from the batteries to the wheels. Think about the weight that can be saved for the drivetrain, transmission, differential and brakes. Weight saved equals fuel/energy efficiency. Since there are no rooms for bulky engines, crumple zones can be made bigger and protection cages can be implemented and two boot space. That's too much of a good deal.
@fakiir Flex fuel engines are being used in large scale here in Brazil for more than 6 years. Almost all new cars in the country come with this engines now.
And come on, do you consider it a bigger fire hazard than let`s say a gasoline tank? We all have this batteries in our pockets these days.
it's funny how you put something in a fancy graphic video and everyone just eats it up and believes whatever it is that they are saying...this whole concept is more inefficient than a pure electric car...electric cars are superior to gaoline in efficiency so why the fuk would you still want a gasoline engine in it? lol
Lke to be able to longer distances. Make a 2000 miles roadtrip, you will need 4-8 hours to recharge every 200 to 300 miles, with this you recharge the batteries with a minimun amount of fuel that you find in current gas stations...so unless they start making "battery sations" where you can park and switch your battery with a fully charged one, this might me the best car for the transitionperiod.
stupid concept...if you have an electric car then why do you need a gas engine in it? pointless...and definitely more costly than a pure electric car...give me $12000 and I'll build you an electric car that will get 100 mile range which is 2x what the range of this one gets and it will be cheaper to maintain
Yeah - this is the way to go. That overnight charging crap they're talking about is bullshit. You need to keep the car charged on the fly so it can keep going. I was thinking of a gas powered charging system that doesn't power the car - it just shifts between two sets of fast charge batteries to keep it going. But this probably works out just as good. Now all we have to do is get past the elite and their oil company pals. From what I've heard, they're gonna drag this out for a long time.
what? then why not just buy a pure gasoline powered engine...you dont' know what you are talking about...do you realize there is 5 motors in this retarded car ? how'd you like to maintain that? then you got batteries...this thing is the an overly complex piece of junk
I can see by your posts you're not to bright. The gas motor turns on when the batteries go low and charges them. When they're charged the gas motor turns off and the car rides on the batteries again. Didn't you watch the video? Unless you'd rather pull over and plug the stupid fucking thing in for 3 hours. This way the car can keep going and ya get killer mileage. And those motors in the wheels are electric motors. They don't need maintenance like a gas engine. There's hardly anything to them.
I can see you aren't too bright either because adding a gasoline engine to the car adds probably 1000 lbs and since we already have electric cars that can go 150 miles or more in one charge, it's pointless to put a gas engine in it...if you need to travel across the country, just fly or get a bus
You're crazy! First off - that little 1 Liter engine don't weigh no thousand pounds. A Big-Block Chevy don't weigh a 1000 pounds. And your 150 miles isn't shit. People don't want to have to worry about plugging in the damn car to get it to go. Oh - forgot to plug in the car dear - can't make it to work today. I've got to make deliveries all over the city today - Oh shit - gotta plug in for a few hours because I'm conking out. The damn thing has to be charged - why do it the lame way???
I wonder whos patent is this, because is the best desing, but nobody is doing, my guess is because of patent rights. (some oil sheik might be the owner) imo.
this concept is stupid...you still have to buy gasoline...you got way too many motors in this car...you got 5 motors...so where is the innovation? this is just more junk for all you consumers and look at you, you are buying it hook line and sinker...don't you realize that is way more expensive than a pure electric car...it's just another way to keep you buying gasoline
we got electric cars right now that can get 150 mile range...isn't that enough? Give me $20000 and I'll build you a car with 150 mile range in it...I already know how to do it...and it will be pure electric..there are guys on the internet already building their own electric cars that get 150 mile range so why isn't it available for you? because oil companies don't want you to have it
Tesla as been explaining this concept in the early 1900 (instead of using fuel to move the car, to actually generate electricity from it). I can't believe how long it took before we start using this technology. I can't believe either we are not yet utilizing this yet.
It is fine but still crappy. The 4 electromotors still have to pull the death weaght of the gas engine.
then again the power of the gas engine is converted in electricity and conversion means losses! maybe the gas engine should be connected to the wheels as well while driving on gas and recharging batteries
you could always have a solar panel on the top of the car for extra charge time while sitting in traffic. i know i wont fully recharge the battery but it will help
See Tesla's writting on this very subject... search tfcbooks on google and use the link /tesla/1904-12-29.htm ... Tesla couldn't understand why we are not using the internal combustion engine for the purpose of electric generator instead of for drive the vehicle itself.
I'm also annoyed companies are switching to lithium batteries. They sound better, but they age, and there is nothing you can do about it save buy new batteries. People buying their brand new electric car will have no idea they will have to buy thousands of dollars worth of batteries in 5 years time.
Lithium has some advantages, but they TERRIBLE for sustainability. (Not to mention future cost.)
The GM Volt, by law, carries a 10 year / 150,000 mile warranty ... including the Li-Ion battery ... Even after 3000 cycles the pack will still have 80% DOC (Depth of charge) meaning there is plenty of life left in it.
By comparison most ICE powered cars are wrecks by 10 years because the engine/g'box simply wear out from heat stress.
I'm fairly certain replacement packs will be substantially cheaper in a decade from now.
I'm a bit annoyed with all these hybrid cars. They seem to be stalling tactics to keep people using gas. There's really no reason 100% electric cars shouldn't be selling right now. People have built hobby cars for less than 10K. There's no need for oil or transmission systems, putting upkeep even lower. And they will get 90% of workers to work and back all week long before worrying about a recharge. And these are hobby cars!
The Siemens design seems to be the better option for any electric car. Why is this design not a part of the chevy volt. It would appear to be the perfect car with this design. The car would not need a heavy drive train, mechanical steering, etc. The real question is a company going to making an electric car with this design??? I would buy it if they keep the price right and have the on board recharge engine.
Finally, a hybrid made the way they should be. A gas engine (powerplant) should be used only as a geared generator, as they only have certain distinct torque bands, unlike electronic motors. This is a very good idea, hope it works out, and volvo doesn't try to sell it for 40k. :)
Not for people who have to go beyond 300 miles at a time.
I have to drive 300 miles to visit family and waiting for a battery to charge would add 3-12 hours to my trip, probably making me spend money on a hotel.* While with a combustion engine, I can put in more gas and go about my merry way. And most cars get 300 miles in one tank, I get 430ish on a 15gal tank.
It's funny that you will be able to drive further when an internal combustion engine generates power for an electric motor than when the internal combustion engine drives the wheels itself. Tells you how inefficient combustion engines are.
I think electric cars are like the light bulb in comparison to the oil lamp -
If we still had to burn oil in lamps - how much oil would we need -
Similarly converting the energy into electric - and storing it in a chemical form in the battery - is far more efficient than burning the oil directly to power the car.
And these electric cars are powerful - see video of race between Ferrari and an electric car
We should have 4 wheel drives/ SUV - in hybrids - whatever we want.
The brake recharging concept has been around for a while. great idea, now build the car REALLY cheap and i will get one. Till then, i love my Mustang GT.
dam thats my idea stupid auto makers keep stealing my ideas! better go back to my plasma cannon and coilgun project whoms sole porporpose is to deststroy the world! mahahahaha... automakers make me violent
What ever happened with the ReCharge concept. With GM and Chrysler coming out with their 2010 EREV models, is Volvo / Ford pushing forward with EREV technology also?
What I dont get is why have an external engine to run a generator? Why don't they just put a little itty bitty PTO on the 4 turning drive wheels to turn the generator?
That's easy. The PTO from the wheels would put more load on the motors, meaning more power would have to be used to drive the car. What you're proposing is a perpetual motion machine, which cannot work.
However, under braking, the wheelmotors take the inertia and convert it back into electricity, slowing the car and charging the batteries at the same time. It's called "Regen", and most decent (commercial) EVs do this already.
Does it, or could it, recharge during coasting as well? I s'pose it may slow the car down in that situation but I wonder if the benefit would outweigh the the loss.
In regards to Cyborgtroy (who I don't believe is actually a cyborg at all, but just a regular guy named troy) I wasn't referring to using regen braking while coasting that would just be stupid.
I'm wondering about developing a system that would somehow use the energy created from the vehicles momentum. I mean why not try to develop power from every moving source?
Unfortunately, I don't think you'll ever understand what I'm suggesting, because I doubt you box even has a window let alone a door.
It's the Internet, man. For all you know, I'm a crazy MIT experiment in artifical intelligence.
As for the momentum, I actually don't understand you, because I've never heard of a way to generate energy from momentum without reducing the car's mechanical energy to do so.
same idea as the big trucks that work in the diamond and iron ore mines in Western Australia. Tho they use diesel engines and they dont have batteries, as 10yrs down the track they are useless anyhow
Nice if VOLVO could make an Youtube channel, with it's electric conceptcars. They have a few. The Volvo-museum in Gothenborg had one. To bad the americans own Volvo. I hope they(americans) go bancrupt, so they have to sell Volvo to some honest people.
i have always liked electric cars. internal combustion engines are soooo inefficient. this is a great concept. sadly it think that there is much more money to be made out of oil and truly efficient engines will only be widespread when petrol will deplete.
Sadly you are right, no self-respecting (greedy) investor (whos only interest is making as much money as possible at any cost) is going to put money into a product that once sold gives no more return (I.E. EVs with batteries, and solar panels) not when they can invest in, and promote an auto that requires a fuel (I.E. gas, hydrogen, ethanol,). A fuel that the car owner has no choice but to buy from them, increasing their profits significantly.
These benefits are all on top of the fact that the Electric Vehicle is more than 3 times as efficient, produces a lot less pollution, is 1/4th the cost and uses secure energy keeping our gas money out of the middle east.
By the way the Volvo Recharge is not a NEV it is a full blown highway eating machine. Sure the in-wheel motors need some development, but it has a lot more promise then other technologies like the infamous fuel cell.
thats pretty good but isnt there a way of charging the battery while the wheel are turning? why not have attach the generator to the wheels instead of having a petrol engine to power the generator... would that work or am i just stupid?
It does that, all four wheel-motors act as generators when not under power, it's called regenerative braking and can extend range by up to 50%.
The ICE can extend range beyond the amount of power stored in the relatively small battery pack. The ICE generator is put in there to keep the total cost of batteries down (and because car manufacturers are invested in making ICE engines not batteries) and to placate anyone with "range anxiety"
Well, this vehicle won't be made in USA anyways, it'll be made in Sweden. And Sweden is not under American government. If America doesn't want it, that's fine, alot of Europeans will embrace it as a savior of the future...
/watch?v=W0Sy7XnJBPE&feature=related
2006 - Mini QED is real
2010 - x price winner for 100mpg challenge
2012 - Volvo still in lost concept, My god the main players in auto industry are slow and uncreative.
Guesswhokk 2 weeks ago
WW2 submarines had diesel-electric drive and recharging system!
That was 70 years ago. Hehe!
They haven't built a diesel electric car yet, because it would blow the oil companies away, with over 100 mil/gal or more.
When Bush the oil man became president, he had it shred all the existing electric cars.
szaki 1 month ago
Thats it. Volvo is a environment fag.
AAAZ2A 1 month ago
the larger car manufacturers build internal combustion engines and have a vested interest in keeping electric cars OFF the road, add the self-interest of the oil companies and we will never see viable electric cars within 100 years, when the oil runs out we may do
baldandold 3 months ago
It's kind of obvious isn't it? This whole electric vehicle thing. It's just too easy.
enticed2zeitgeist 3 months ago
Do any of you guys know what kind of battery spec is needed to power this car???
losdiketown 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Electric Motors tend to have more torque, and leave gas engines by the way side... although in these early days of transition from gas to electric... the car industry tend to utilize the smallest electric motors to weight ratio of car...robust electrical motors would outpace the fastest (Formula 1 racer)...... since fuel cars are only 20% efficient while electric motors are 90% efficient by comparison.
HeleighnaDalney 5 months ago
A SMALL GAS MOTOR RUNNING A GENERATOR , LIKE THIS SYSTEM , SHOULD BE THE NORMAL STANDARD VEHICLE . IT CUTS INTO GAS CONSUMPTION GREATLY , AND I BELIEVE WOULD SOLVE THE NEEDS FOR PETROLEUM , FOR NOW. THE ONLY NEED IT DOESN'T FILL IS THE NORTH AMERICAN NEED FOR BIG POWERFUL VEHICLES .
GIANFRANCO FRONZI SEPTEMBER
9493760 5 months ago
Awesome! Now just get rid of the engine and hook that generator up to the wheels or a smaller motor... And there you have it... Free, unlimited energy.
DarkPrince013 5 months ago
@DarkPrince013 look up "law of conservation of energy" to understand why that doesn't work. In a nutshell, generator creates resistance which requires more power output to overcome. That means more power waisted. The reason regenerative braking works well is because we are recapturing energy already used by propelling the vehicle forward. We will always need an outside fuel source to move a vehicle forward, it's only a question of how efficient this outside source is.
cold0ero 4 months ago
تطبيق جميل لكن متا سنرا مثل هذه السيارات في السوق
ka1153 6 months ago
I built my first small go-cart type electric car using two rear wheel , identicle motore.worked great untill turning too many corners burned out both motors. neighbor had an old junked golf cart, so he gave it to me and I cut off the front and top, and just attached the drivetrain and excellerator and universal rear drive to it, and it lasted untill i moved to the country, and broke it going over too hearty terrain.
pvelectric 6 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Excellent video. See my channel electric motor new design.It is very original model of electric motor (it has no accelerating coil, special phase-shifting devices and condensers).
Ali2011mb 6 months ago
The Elica has wheel motors. It's the very best for efficiency.
Motors in the wheels has been around a very, very, long time. Automakers all like to fool the public into beleiving they were the first to do that, or do such and such. That's because they know they are marketing to the technically challenged masses, who will beleive anything.
kickinbackinOC 6 months ago
@kickinbackinOC
that is true the idea had been around for a long time. over 100 years actually, in the 1890s it was first patented.
purche even manufactured electric model with wheel motors in 1900.
i personally think its not a great idea to have them on the wheels due to all the bouncing and such it would likely damage them. it would be smarter to just have small drive shafts so that they would be able to take advantage of the cars suspension to dampen any bumps.
Crazylalalalala 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
watch my video
Ali2011mb 7 months ago
Does the green animations come standard or is that extra?
(Just kidding, this is actually how a hybrid should be designed.)
tomofnorthcal 7 months ago
KERS
Dogman36 7 months ago
More and More Hybrid Electric Cars are being built. Volvo will Lead in the Hybrid Electric revolution. Ford has produced a Fleet of them. Toyota is releasing their Plug-in come 2012. GM has the Chevrolet Volt. Tesla Model S will also be due Summer 2012. Nissan has the LeaF.
heartlessvietboy 8 months ago
Three words come to mind about a, performance car and hub motors. (UN SPRUNG WEIGHT) I wonder how this is addressed.
4x4Oldschool 8 months ago
@4x4Oldschool Unsprung weight is not a big problem. First, the motors are not that heavy. Second, you don't have to attach them directly to the wheel - you can have a short drive axle between the unsprung motor and the sprung wheel.
Dimension13XYZZY 6 months ago
NOW that's what i'm talking about!
WatchMyAzN 8 months ago
If the 'fuel' engine is only there to charge the batteries then why not just put in a small electric generator? Fueled by petrol, but can run for 2 hours, and all it does is charge the batteries! Sounds OK to me.
Itsmeeman1 9 months ago
One could offer the choice to fuel(charge) the car while meter parked. Would this work for low light/sun days? How much would you pay for such a service? Parkades could offer this service too.
Please share your thoughts too.
E-T
etellurian 9 months ago
Why not charging through the street? Why using tires? Why not keeping cars in a very complex system of virtual tracks? The primitive method of steering, tires and systems that are not like railway tracks - only more complex - has to come to an end.
everythingisandflows 10 months ago
Add solar panels to the roof and hood and dash so it can recharge while parked.
jetman1979 10 months ago
Add so
jetman1979 10 months ago
Electric drive trains are definitely the future!
MrBranboom 10 months ago
my english is bad. but why only two wels chariging battery whay not all 4. and why can not charge battery when is on electricaly. economicaly were better charging battery when is on electric and benzin, or diezel.
Jebesevropu 10 months ago
Why dont they get a single piston RC plane engine to continuously charge the batteries via generator ? add regen brakes, solar body panels and look for at least 1000 miles to a tank of fuel!!!
sickasso72 11 months ago
those cars should be cheaper,
belarios1 11 months ago
The only problem is that the car I drive has a 1.9L gas engine in it that does it all and mileage is very good. I am bulding an electric car that may have a very small 1/2 horse engine running a 100 amp alternator. It would charge the batteries while parked at work and, it would only burn a pint of gas at a time. The same motor that drives the car can be used as a generator so perhaps a separate alternator is not required. An electric car with a big heavy gas engine seems wrong.
zerohype 11 months ago
the problem with all these "new-tech cars" (this tech is since the 70's but not i cars) is that when u will have a problem u wont find any specialized tecs to repair it and also the parts would be super expensive.i am not telling that it shouldnt be done just saying what the problems still are.
freddy692000 11 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
watch my video
Ali2011mb 1 year ago
STOP USING OIL NOW !!!! NOWWW !!! NOWWWW !
mptrax 1 year ago
Comment removed
ucchi50 1 year ago
悪いガソリンエンジンを取り外してください
インホイールモーターが良い
燃費が1/10になる
私には ハイブリッドは要らない
わたしが欲しいのは 電気を作る技術だ
ucchi50 1 year ago
There is still so much more to do with Electric Vehicles... I can't believe no ones been able to figure it out yet ...
ShowinYaHow 1 year ago 3
This has been flagged as spam show
Energy sources without the need for fuel or energy input exist ,But the Establishment doesn't want ppl to know this,Get the blueprints for a free energy motor at LT-MAGNET-MOTORdotCOM ,Free yourself!
lavernedi 1 year ago
This is absolutely NOTHING new... It's used for a long time in HUGE mining trucks. The 3500hp engine generate electricity wich "moves" electric motors in each wheel, then when the truck needs to brake (going down) it uses induction of these motors to brake and just wastes it in heat lol
hydrogenix 1 year ago
@hydrogenix So there IS something new!!
Diesel electric mine trucks don't have battery energy storage to capture and reuse energy from regenerative braking. As you say, they blow it off via a bank of rheostat the same as most train locomotives.
tsport100 1 year ago 2
@tsport100 well hahaha looking it that way, yes... they replaced the air-cooled resistances with PWM controller and batteries... well... today a lot of things are invented and innovation come step by step... little step... hehe cheers
hydrogenix 1 year ago
Why use such a large motor for a generator when the batteries alone can drive the car 100km? A second power plant is a lot of extra weight that a car driven by batteries could do without.
m1grant1987 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
online Asian wives ***lushfmlk.info***
adriekebriy 1 year ago
New this was vaporware when I saw it. Good concept though.
ndyt 1 year ago
See the most innovative design team in the automotive industry. Search on Youtube under "meet the innovators Volvo CE"
Kastanjedreef27 1 year ago
fuck iliuminati batery cars will stay
sad4ewer 1 year ago
Just missing some Electric Generator Turbines on the Exterior to turn some Drag back into POWER, the 100% waste would be brought down to 40%
Kinda like Ships sailing the high seas!
markfriesen1979 1 year ago
Why does nobody question the 1.6 litre engine? A car only uses 5hp tp maintain speed, the extra power they are capable of is rarely used, the battery provides a buffer so the peak power of the range extender barely needs to be more than a lawnmower engine. Having a 1.6 litre engine (probably 4 cylinders?) is complete overkill with a great deal of wasted materials in production, and increased weight and internal losses from having bigger, heavier and more moving parts...
spinycrayfish 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Free Energy is real and its here! The Oil companies are doing everything they can to stop this
information. If you want a Free energy machine , get the blueprints at LT-MAGNET-MOTORdotCOM , Join the
revolution!
slipshodcoqbgg 1 year ago
The USA needs to get on the ball and start marketing global charging facilities for these electric cars. The marketing strategy is backwards. Also unify how the electrical demand will be handled between different designs. If one vehicle charges on way and some designs one that charges slower then what? Major cities should already have plans for parking meter style charging facilities. Don't wait until there is a 100 different charge receptacles on these cars. Designers are you listening?
Markgraben 1 year ago
Good to see that someone is working hard to bypass gearbox and differentials. I guess that 1.6 liter engine is going to be replaced by Stirling type
th3dig1tal0n3 1 year ago
What the Chevy Volt / Opel Ampera should have been.
Marillionado 1 year ago
solid state hydrogen storage is faster recharge and higher energy density as well as safer than gasoline and potentially zero co2 emissions.
judoisoww 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
this is copying every thing Lexus has done, the only difference is the plug in and that's old. So...what makes this so special.
toyotaprius79 1 year ago
@toyotaprius79 Which Lexus has 4 wheel motors?
tsport100 1 year ago 17
@toyotaprius79 The diference is that Lexus and Toyotas hibrids are motor-gear driven normal cars, aided by an electric motor.
This on the other hand is an electric car with an internal combustion engine who's role is to turn a generator to produce electricity (when needed).
Marillionado 1 year ago
@toyotaprius79 "this is copying every thing Lexus has done" You are retarded. I suppose you think that Lexus copied Mercedes Benz by choosing to use 4 wheels for its cars?
Sidowse 1 year ago 2
algae oil.
answer this.
genisis22100 1 year ago
There's one problem, Volvo has taken most of the ideas from toyota especially when it comes to battery size and to make it most affordable but practical in performance but instead of 1 motor not four the battery will run out quick. But most of this is seen in the prius but the engine also runs the car
toyotaprius79 1 year ago
@toyotaprius79
4 motors setup is much more efficient that a central motor. You can install four motors a quater of the size of the central motor, you will not need more power and you willnot waist energy to transmit the power to the wheels.
On top of that you will be able to recuperate 80%+ of the power through regenerative breaking, reduce weight of the car and leave more room for cargo or batteries.
How's that for a deal?
abenaki99 1 year ago
Electric motors are not something new; they have been around since electricity was invented. The electric wheel is a electric motor with a wheel and brakes attached. Build yourself an electric motor wheel and the oil/auto companies will make you an offer you can’t refuse. We will not be able to buy this technology until every drop of oil is removed from the earth. If you don’t believe me, buy yourself an electric motor wheel. If and when you do, let me know where you got it from!
apollo103 1 year ago
Someone in this tread made the comment "its too much technology at once". That is not the problem with technology. The problem is the oil companies letting this technology onto the market place and putting them out of business. Wheel motors not only put the oil companies out business but the current auto makers as well. Think about it, if you replace the transmission, drive train, gas motor, repair service and all its associated parts, just how many people you put out of business.
apollo103 1 year ago
Charging 3 hour or pumping oil just for a few minutes.....i would rather choose charging for 3 hours.....agree?
idonknowmyname1 1 year ago
@idonknowmyname1
Well, on a 1000 mile business trip you might not have the time for several times of 3 hour recharging. But I see what you mean.
But I would go for a small engine driving a small generator for longer time, even when you stop for a pee. The recharging engine can be highly optimized for this.
Cheers
ekhaat 1 year ago
@ idonknowmyname1 no
genisis22100 1 year ago
F that, go all in. Amaze us with power and performance, and we'll never go back to the sluggish, mechanically driven cars we're driving now.
charliebrownslc 1 year ago
hello moto
TheOracle110 1 year ago
Question, why instead of having an engine to recharge the batteries, put two generators (for example) on the rear wheels in order to make the vehicle self-sufficient.
IRIOAll 1 year ago
This is basically how the Chevy Volt is going to work according to Cnet. But what I dont get is that the Volt only has a range of 40 miles.
Shorty15c4007 1 year ago
I think that in-wheel electric generator is possible and should be researched.
xBeAGoodPersonx 1 year ago
I think it is possible to generate much electricity from inside the wheels. It should be researched.
xBeAGoodPersonx 1 year ago
So, uhm, why not save the generator, katalysator, exaust system, motor, fuel tank and everything else that has to do with conservative fuel, and add the saved weight in more batteries?
I mean, for the average consumer a car that can go 300 kilometers on electricity alone would be more beneficial. Save the cost for the batterys.
At least as an optional model this would make sense.
Spastb00n 1 year ago
Is there no plan to use this on heavy truck? Just think if there is no need of transmission, differentials, propeller shaft, drive shaft, and axles. These will be a savings on weights.
Kote12TK 1 year ago
i don't get it? why not have two set's of batt's & two generators when one system propels the car the other charges then when set #1 gets low it switches to set#2 to propel the car & charge set#1??
skywarp187 1 year ago
That's an awesome concept; however, "real world" tests need to be done first before mass production. Car companies would need to do a lot of "real world" tests before investing in this type of technology. I like this concept and for EVs, but as for me as a consumer, I want peace of mind to know that what's stated on paper and on individual tests are true. It would give me a huge headache to find out the EV I purchased has defects.
Tophermen 1 year ago
I hope they come to the market soon.
eal1011 1 year ago
All wheel drive, battery powered and it's a Volvo... sounds great. Wish this could've been developed a few years ago but late is better than never I suppose.
steelsail 1 year ago
Pretty cool....Does anybody ideas on the release date...or price?
aesapphire 1 year ago
OK, now make it and make it affordable... please.
MarkSDCA 2 years ago 3
@MarkSDCA : it is affordable, about 2k per electric motor comes to 8k, 1k for battery bank, inverter probably 300, small ICE around 1k, on top of other things, brand new the car's production is about 18-22k. Brand new conventional car can run you around the same. The problem is the dealerships marking up the price to consumers because these types of vehicles last longer (and cause less sales).
sabriath 2 years ago
Dealer markup is all part of the cost. If the FEDs or states offer incentives the $ will go to the dealers not to offset the cost of the car to the consumer. No matter what, the company and supply chain will get money to stay in business.
MarkSDCA 1 year ago
@MarkSDCA : dealer markup is not part of "cost"...it is part of "profits". There is a big difference. When you figure staff salary and % of sales per day etc. etc. the costs would be 5% roughly above unit itself, but they markup the vehicles 15-20%, and for electric cars, they mark those up 20-25%. The reason is because they make "some" money off of repairing vehicles, and electric cars actually get repaired 3x less.
sabriath 1 year ago
Also, if u run out of charge, u've a gasoline engine 2 back u up. This concept could be made much more efficient if u can somehow remove the gasoline engine when nt required. This would decrease its weight and increase its efficiency!!!!!!
anshumanabhisek 2 years ago
This ought 2 be the most economical solution and practical use of hybrid technologies. This is bcozz cars lyk tht of Toyota Prius and Honda Insight save money bt very little in comparison 2 other cars bt since here, u get an option 4r recharging and running up2 100 kms on a single charge with the help of a battery, and also u have a regenerative braking system, this car would be run most of the tym in battery mode and we know tht electricity/mile is cheaper than gasoline.
anshumanabhisek 2 years ago
only problem with this is that there are way too many new technologies combined at once. wheel motors, flexi fuel whatsit... probably lithium battery, with its extreme fire hazard.
build a traditional car, with standard drive train, just put in an electric motor and controller under the hood. and do it at a price point that people are not so scared of, and you will make a fortune
the KISS principle. USE IT!
fakiir 2 years ago 2
@fakiir The goal is to maximize energy efficiency. Any mechanical transmission has losses of between 20 -30%.
Using wheel motors eliminates those losses and maximizes the amount of energy available from regenerative braking.
BTW All Li-ion batteries are not a fire hazard, only defectively manufactured SONY li-ion cells are!
tsport100 2 years ago 13
This has been flagged as spam show
@tsport100 Gasoline is a fire hazard too
Mrccccccccccccccccci 1 year ago
@tsport100 koenigsegg quant, their doing it the right way,expensive but the right way,its electric only and it uses solar energy to extend it's range or minimize time spent recharging,a car could prob also use wind energy to extend it s autonomy during the night,thats if it was already low on power
its much better than developing USELESS things in the long run,cause that generator is just useless
drinkbudyXD 9 months ago
@fakiir An electric motor under the hood, accompanied by a range extender, would be much too large. Putting the motors in the hubs increases the amount of room available.
Flex fuel is hardly new, not that much of a remarkable technology because alternative fuels aren't too commonly available. It seems like something nice but not necessary, and certainly not too complex.
And lithium ion permits immense space and weight savings, which are both at a premium in a plug in hybrid.
DSB1234567890 1 year ago
@fakiir my Chevy volt has a 10 year 150,000 mile warranty that includes any battery failures, i may not own it 10 years as a better car is sure to be put into production before then , like the Nissan leaf which is 100% electric but i dont know what the warranty is like on it. i would love to meet some one who buys one to see how it compares to the volt in the real world
Crazzystreaker 1 year ago
@fakiir Not all lithium batteries have fire hazards. Only the li-po batteries have that extreme of a hazard. Lithium-ions however do not, though are not as efficent as li-pos. The battery in this video is more than likely a li-ion due to being safer and still giving better performance than nimh or nicad. Great concept, and it actually is "kiss." Electric vehicles (pure electric) have less items in them compared to a gas vehicle.
rletzin 1 year ago
@fakiir
electric cars witha a single on board motor waste about 60 percent of the energy because mechanical parts are still used to deliver energy from the batteries to the wheels. Think about the weight that can be saved for the drivetrain, transmission, differential and brakes. Weight saved equals fuel/energy efficiency. Since there are no rooms for bulky engines, crumple zones can be made bigger and protection cages can be implemented and two boot space. That's too much of a good deal.
toastyovens 1 year ago
@fakiir Flex fuel engines are being used in large scale here in Brazil for more than 6 years. Almost all new cars in the country come with this engines now.
And come on, do you consider it a bigger fire hazard than let`s say a gasoline tank? We all have this batteries in our pockets these days.
felipewer 5 months ago 2
it's funny how you put something in a fancy graphic video and everyone just eats it up and believes whatever it is that they are saying...this whole concept is more inefficient than a pure electric car...electric cars are superior to gaoline in efficiency so why the fuk would you still want a gasoline engine in it? lol
cypher954 2 years ago
Lke to be able to longer distances. Make a 2000 miles roadtrip, you will need 4-8 hours to recharge every 200 to 300 miles, with this you recharge the batteries with a minimun amount of fuel that you find in current gas stations...so unless they start making "battery sations" where you can park and switch your battery with a fully charged one, this might me the best car for the transitionperiod.
focusboyfocus 2 years ago
stupid concept...if you have an electric car then why do you need a gas engine in it? pointless...and definitely more costly than a pure electric car...give me $12000 and I'll build you an electric car that will get 100 mile range which is 2x what the range of this one gets and it will be cheaper to maintain
cypher954 2 years ago
its great! but imagine u pass trough a hole... some roads r in bad conditions...
andoctors 2 years ago
Yeah - this is the way to go. That overnight charging crap they're talking about is bullshit. You need to keep the car charged on the fly so it can keep going. I was thinking of a gas powered charging system that doesn't power the car - it just shifts between two sets of fast charge batteries to keep it going. But this probably works out just as good. Now all we have to do is get past the elite and their oil company pals. From what I've heard, they're gonna drag this out for a long time.
HemiHead66 2 years ago
what? then why not just buy a pure gasoline powered engine...you dont' know what you are talking about...do you realize there is 5 motors in this retarded car ? how'd you like to maintain that? then you got batteries...this thing is the an overly complex piece of junk
cypher954 2 years ago
I can see by your posts you're not to bright. The gas motor turns on when the batteries go low and charges them. When they're charged the gas motor turns off and the car rides on the batteries again. Didn't you watch the video? Unless you'd rather pull over and plug the stupid fucking thing in for 3 hours. This way the car can keep going and ya get killer mileage. And those motors in the wheels are electric motors. They don't need maintenance like a gas engine. There's hardly anything to them.
HemiHead66 2 years ago
I can see you aren't too bright either because adding a gasoline engine to the car adds probably 1000 lbs and since we already have electric cars that can go 150 miles or more in one charge, it's pointless to put a gas engine in it...if you need to travel across the country, just fly or get a bus
cypher954 2 years ago
You're crazy! First off - that little 1 Liter engine don't weigh no thousand pounds. A Big-Block Chevy don't weigh a 1000 pounds. And your 150 miles isn't shit. People don't want to have to worry about plugging in the damn car to get it to go. Oh - forgot to plug in the car dear - can't make it to work today. I've got to make deliveries all over the city today - Oh shit - gotta plug in for a few hours because I'm conking out. The damn thing has to be charged - why do it the lame way???
HemiHead66 2 years ago
Look at the additional videos on the right. The one that says, Electric Car in-wheel motor Siemens eCorner - shows you how they're made.
HemiHead66 2 years ago
I wonder whos patent is this, because is the best desing, but nobody is doing, my guess is because of patent rights. (some oil sheik might be the owner) imo.
alvarengaadilson 2 years ago 3
I know who he is, heard a lot about him, but he doesn't get the credit from it as they got rid of him so I heard.
He is an ordinary hard working guy from UK
pippimlongstocking 2 years ago
this concept is stupid...you still have to buy gasoline...you got way too many motors in this car...you got 5 motors...so where is the innovation? this is just more junk for all you consumers and look at you, you are buying it hook line and sinker...don't you realize that is way more expensive than a pure electric car...it's just another way to keep you buying gasoline
cypher954 2 years ago
we got electric cars right now that can get 150 mile range...isn't that enough? Give me $20000 and I'll build you a car with 150 mile range in it...I already know how to do it...and it will be pure electric..there are guys on the internet already building their own electric cars that get 150 mile range so why isn't it available for you? because oil companies don't want you to have it
cypher954 2 years ago
Tesla as been explaining this concept in the early 1900 (instead of using fuel to move the car, to actually generate electricity from it). I can't believe how long it took before we start using this technology. I can't believe either we are not yet utilizing this yet.
youtuubbguy66 2 years ago
It is fine but still crappy. The 4 electromotors still have to pull the death weaght of the gas engine.
then again the power of the gas engine is converted in electricity and conversion means losses! maybe the gas engine should be connected to the wheels as well while driving on gas and recharging batteries
215alessio 2 years ago
yeah these cars can really haul. i want one.or a conversion kit would be cool too
jayholman1 2 years ago
here we go this is the way to go why waste, the turning of the wheels. Finally
someone is taking it seriorsly.
golfdu222 2 years ago
nice concept... purely genius
thinkmanworld 2 years ago 3
it s just nearly to 100% electric car... the next near future i think there will be.... hope so... but traffic prblm still cant be solved
thinkmanworld 2 years ago
you could always have a solar panel on the top of the car for extra charge time while sitting in traffic. i know i wont fully recharge the battery but it will help
rpgromaster58 2 years ago
See Tesla's writting on this very subject... search tfcbooks on google and use the link /tesla/1904-12-29.htm ... Tesla couldn't understand why we are not using the internal combustion engine for the purpose of electric generator instead of for drive the vehicle itself.
youtuubbguy66 2 years ago
I'm also annoyed companies are switching to lithium batteries. They sound better, but they age, and there is nothing you can do about it save buy new batteries. People buying their brand new electric car will have no idea they will have to buy thousands of dollars worth of batteries in 5 years time.
Lithium has some advantages, but they TERRIBLE for sustainability. (Not to mention future cost.)
sirellyn 2 years ago
The GM Volt, by law, carries a 10 year / 150,000 mile warranty ... including the Li-Ion battery ... Even after 3000 cycles the pack will still have 80% DOC (Depth of charge) meaning there is plenty of life left in it.
By comparison most ICE powered cars are wrecks by 10 years because the engine/g'box simply wear out from heat stress.
I'm fairly certain replacement packs will be substantially cheaper in a decade from now.
tsport100 2 years ago 2
I'm a bit annoyed with all these hybrid cars. They seem to be stalling tactics to keep people using gas. There's really no reason 100% electric cars shouldn't be selling right now. People have built hobby cars for less than 10K. There's no need for oil or transmission systems, putting upkeep even lower. And they will get 90% of workers to work and back all week long before worrying about a recharge. And these are hobby cars!
sirellyn 2 years ago 2
The Siemens design seems to be the better option for any electric car. Why is this design not a part of the chevy volt. It would appear to be the perfect car with this design. The car would not need a heavy drive train, mechanical steering, etc. The real question is a company going to making an electric car with this design??? I would buy it if they keep the price right and have the on board recharge engine.
weaver470 2 years ago
Finally, a hybrid made the way they should be. A gas engine (powerplant) should be used only as a geared generator, as they only have certain distinct torque bands, unlike electronic motors. This is a very good idea, hope it works out, and volvo doesn't try to sell it for 40k. :)
joescion 2 years ago 3
Great concepts.
mrmaciejm 2 years ago
Electric cars are here to stay!
It may take just a few years to get used to them but after that the internal combustion engine seems medieval.
I can't wait to buy my first 100% electric car!
Zoloft61 2 years ago 9
@Zoloft61
Not for people who have to go beyond 300 miles at a time.
I have to drive 300 miles to visit family and waiting for a battery to charge would add 3-12 hours to my trip, probably making me spend money on a hotel.* While with a combustion engine, I can put in more gas and go about my merry way. And most cars get 300 miles in one tank, I get 430ish on a 15gal tank.
Nsixtyfourlink 1 year ago
It's funny that you will be able to drive further when an internal combustion engine generates power for an electric motor than when the internal combustion engine drives the wheels itself. Tells you how inefficient combustion engines are.
jalit 2 years ago 7
jalit
I think electric cars are like the light bulb in comparison to the oil lamp -
If we still had to burn oil in lamps - how much oil would we need -
Similarly converting the energy into electric - and storing it in a chemical form in the battery - is far more efficient than burning the oil directly to power the car.
And these electric cars are powerful - see video of race between Ferrari and an electric car
We should have 4 wheel drives/ SUV - in hybrids - whatever we want.
TwoEyesX 2 years ago 2
i love this charging, but the question how long will the battery last, how many recharges it can take? what care is need for the batery operation ?
poisas69 2 years ago
New cars are covered by a manufacturers warranty by law... therefore it must be as durable as any ICE car.
tsport100 2 years ago
THIS IS AMUSING I LIKE IT!
sniperbiper13 2 years ago
too bad this car was just vaporware : (
ndyt 2 years ago 2
The brake recharging concept has been around for a while. great idea, now build the car REALLY cheap and i will get one. Till then, i love my Mustang GT.
joe735 2 years ago 3
dam thats my idea stupid auto makers keep stealing my ideas! better go back to my plasma cannon and coilgun project whoms sole porporpose is to deststroy the world! mahahahaha... automakers make me violent
mackodoodle 2 years ago
if you can think i think they can think too hahahaha...
thegreatkoua 2 years ago
smart and compact
khayrea 2 years ago
recharge me !
hardrockgirl90 2 years ago
What ever happened with the ReCharge concept. With GM and Chrysler coming out with their 2010 EREV models, is Volvo / Ford pushing forward with EREV technology also?
diggingforgold 2 years ago
Weight = energy = dollars
Expensive energy - wasted - dragging heavy weight 'engine' 100000 km
OghamTheBold 3 years ago
PML Flightlink Limited - in Administration
EM Shires and RW Birchall were appointed as Joint Administrators of PML Flightlink Limited on 28th November 2008 to manage its affairs,
tsport100 3 years ago
What I dont get is why have an external engine to run a generator? Why don't they just put a little itty bitty PTO on the 4 turning drive wheels to turn the generator?
Is that just too friggin hard ar what?
SammySamff1 3 years ago
That's easy. The PTO from the wheels would put more load on the motors, meaning more power would have to be used to drive the car. What you're proposing is a perpetual motion machine, which cannot work.
However, under braking, the wheelmotors take the inertia and convert it back into electricity, slowing the car and charging the batteries at the same time. It's called "Regen", and most decent (commercial) EVs do this already.
Anaerin 3 years ago
Does it, or could it, recharge during coasting as well? I s'pose it may slow the car down in that situation but I wonder if the benefit would outweigh the the loss.
SammySamff1 3 years ago
It's like engine braking in a normal car. All BLDC and AC powered EVs automatically do it. Regen can double the range of an EVs in city driving.
tsport100 3 years ago
No, because any energy used for recharging has to be taken from the car's mechanical energy.
You only use regenerative braking when you want to slow down. Otherwise you're just burning off power unnecessarily.
I'm trying to keep cool here, in spite of how poorly-thought-out your comment was.
cyborgtroy 3 years ago
In regards to Cyborgtroy (who I don't believe is actually a cyborg at all, but just a regular guy named troy) I wasn't referring to using regen braking while coasting that would just be stupid.
I'm wondering about developing a system that would somehow use the energy created from the vehicles momentum. I mean why not try to develop power from every moving source?
Unfortunately, I don't think you'll ever understand what I'm suggesting, because I doubt you box even has a window let alone a door.
SammySamff1 3 years ago
It's the Internet, man. For all you know, I'm a crazy MIT experiment in artifical intelligence.
As for the momentum, I actually don't understand you, because I've never heard of a way to generate energy from momentum without reducing the car's mechanical energy to do so.
cyborgtroy 3 years ago
thats exactly what im thinking, use the momentum from the wheels to power the cars moter from a turbine.
mackodoodle 2 years ago 2
like an alternator?
heterosapien69 2 years ago
Well so produce it, world ´d buy.
mauricera 3 years ago
same idea as the big trucks that work in the diamond and iron ore mines in Western Australia. Tho they use diesel engines and they dont have batteries, as 10yrs down the track they are useless anyhow
supersmalls 3 years ago
Nice if VOLVO could make an Youtube channel, with it's electric conceptcars. They have a few. The Volvo-museum in Gothenborg had one. To bad the americans own Volvo. I hope they(americans) go bancrupt, so they have to sell Volvo to some honest people.
asmundhagen 3 years ago
wow. My coment did not look good. I meant: "I hope FORD get a punch". They bought Volvo, and can destroy it.
I realy dont have bad hopes for the American people:)
asmundhagen 3 years ago
this tech. looks almost identical to the Chevy Volt but with about 30% better range and a bigger internal combustion engine..
heftyhundred 3 years ago
i have always liked electric cars. internal combustion engines are soooo inefficient. this is a great concept. sadly it think that there is much more money to be made out of oil and truly efficient engines will only be widespread when petrol will deplete.
bogdanp9 3 years ago 2
Sadly you are right, no self-respecting (greedy) investor (whos only interest is making as much money as possible at any cost) is going to put money into a product that once sold gives no more return (I.E. EVs with batteries, and solar panels) not when they can invest in, and promote an auto that requires a fuel (I.E. gas, hydrogen, ethanol,). A fuel that the car owner has no choice but to buy from them, increasing their profits significantly.
GSpotter63 3 years ago
I have to ask... what is the point in being pessimistic and apathetic? There are Billions being invested in cleantech.
tsport100 3 years ago
and it's a 4x4
proamlito07 3 years ago
...1.6 liters to run an ALTERNATOR?? that's insane O_o
samoht1977 3 years ago
Lets put that into perspective.
The average Diesel Electric locomotive runs a V16 2 stroke of 10,000 cubic inch capacity that puts out over 4000hp to run an ALTERNATOR!
tsport100 3 years ago
shit a big rccar O.O
nabnabnabn 3 years ago
These benefits are all on top of the fact that the Electric Vehicle is more than 3 times as efficient, produces a lot less pollution, is 1/4th the cost and uses secure energy keeping our gas money out of the middle east.
By the way the Volvo Recharge is not a NEV it is a full blown highway eating machine. Sure the in-wheel motors need some development, but it has a lot more promise then other technologies like the infamous fuel cell.
Killroy1999 3 years ago
I read an article that Volvo will have it's first hybrid on the market 2013. Maybe this cool one!?
magnusea 3 years ago
Do we know approximately how much this would cost?
jarabefull 3 years ago
pretty nice.
dddproject 3 years ago
thats pretty good but isnt there a way of charging the battery while the wheel are turning? why not have attach the generator to the wheels instead of having a petrol engine to power the generator... would that work or am i just stupid?
edstar83 3 years ago
It does that, all four wheel-motors act as generators when not under power, it's called regenerative braking and can extend range by up to 50%.
The ICE can extend range beyond the amount of power stored in the relatively small battery pack. The ICE generator is put in there to keep the total cost of batteries down (and because car manufacturers are invested in making ICE engines not batteries) and to placate anyone with "range anxiety"
tsport100 3 years ago
They'll never put this into mass-production because the gov. is to selfish and gas businesses will shut down.
newportcity32 3 years ago
Well, this vehicle won't be made in USA anyways, it'll be made in Sweden. And Sweden is not under American government. If America doesn't want it, that's fine, alot of Europeans will embrace it as a savior of the future...
gabbe81 3 years ago 6