this is depressing, so does this mean that Britain's climate is going to stay the same forever, or as long as i live anyway? a climate like Canada's continental, or southern France's Mediterranean coming to the UK in my lifetime are myths? oh great, all we have to look forward to is perpetual maritime wind, cloud and drizzle :(. im gonna move to Greece!
Has anyone else been unable to find part 11 of the series? I'll keep trying because it's been refreshingly eager to debunk the extremes of both sides of the controversy. The author's unfortunate YouTube name, potholer54, has made it difficult for me to convince friends to watch the series, too. At least, up to the end of part 10.
@azmanabdula - I'm afraid a glimpse of my thoughts would probably leave you amazed at the void. I never like to have opinions or regurgitate half-remembered facts until I've checked and updated them. So while I'm aware of the research into this subject, especially pertaining to the Permian-Triassic mass extinction, this will have to wait until I do a video on that subject. I am planning to, of course, because it's an important insight into how a high CO2-level world might behave.
@ThePapabear27 Seems you weren't paying full attention, as potholer didn't assert any claim. But please, if you would, explain what new evidence makes you feel this way. I am genuinely interested.
Has he tried to debunk AGW yet? It is easy ! climate models are mere calculations and there is no proof in the AGW theory. The Sun , now entering a grand minimum controls our climate and not an insignificant trace gas in the atmosphere.
@david222444 "climate models are mere calculations". Guess what, your computer performs nothing but calculations and it works pretty fine. Math is not voodoo.
But that's beside the point because AGW theory is not based on models, it's based on observation.
Does CO2 trap heat? Yes, it's a lab experiment.
Did solar activity increase? No, we have satellites for that.
@arneperschel Did this famous experiment that no one knows about use 0.038% co2 in the volume? Anything you care to mention will warm when heated including co2. Past warming caused by the grand solar maximum has nothing to do with man as co2 was a product of that warming. Obsevations of warming merely show that our sun drives the climate. AGW based on the observation of the active Sun warming our planet. AGW is ludicrous simples.
First, you don't understand the greenhouse effect. Of course, objects warm when you add energy to them. That's not the point. CO2 is transparent to wavelengths in the visible spectrum but opaque to infrared radiation. So, adding CO2 to the atmosphere makes it more difficult for heat to escape into space. If the energy influx from the sun stays constant, more heat is retained at any given time inside the atmosphere.
Second, "Obsevations of warming merely show that our sun drives the climate" is directly the opposite of what scientists tell us. For instance, if the sun were causing the Earth to warm, we would expect to see more warming during the day than at night, more warming during summer than during winter, we would expect to see the stratosphere warm. But that's not the case. It's exactly the opposite. This is very strong evidence to exclude the sun as the main driver of recent warming.
@arneperschel I am still waiting for that lab experiment!! the above jibberish does not merit a reply(last winter was the coldest in 100yrs here).. You did mention the stratosphere which is cooling along with every other level of our atmosphere. Maybe you should read Svensmarks work or look at the Cloud experiment done at CERN. There are strong negative feedback systems at work within our climate which no doubt have been omitted in models. Some idiots even think that clouds cause warming!!
Roy Spencer and John Christy say the stratosphere is cooling and the troposhere is warming. That's pretty hard proof.
Some idiots! Everybody knows that clouds cause cooling. How could you be in doubt about that? Just take a look at temperatures in winter and at night, which is half the time. The more clouds on a winter night, the colder. It's clear! Everybody knows that water vapor is not a greenhouse gas, right?
@arneperschel Every level of our atmosphere ( including the troposphere) was colder on every day this year compared to last year. Water vapour is the major greenhouse gas . In winter at night clouds form a blanket protecting from ground frost, while in summer they reflect the Suns rays back into the upper atmosphere. Co2 is nothing but a product of Global warming caused by our Sun. Where is that experiment you were talking about?
"In winter at night clouds form a blanket protecting from ground frost, while in summer they reflect the Suns rays back into the upper atmosphere." So what's the deal with clouds? I'm confused!
Are you saying the observed increase in atmospheric CO2 over the past decades and centuries was caused by the sun? I can debunk that in a pretty convincing way. Are you at all interested? I'm not your enemy, I'm only trying to help.
@arneperschel As for El nino southern oscillation, a strong La nina is building as the Pacific decadal oscillation progresses into its 30 yr negative cycle. You are confused because clouds are acting as a negative feedback. You hit the nail on the head . ten out of ten, collect £200 when passing go. As co2 is a mere product of the Sun's warming of our planet, man's burning of fossil fuels merely adds a small amount to that product 0.4% infact. Can I help with any other misconceptions you have?
- You wrote: "In winter at night clouds form a blanket protecting from ground frost, while in summer they reflect the Suns rays back into the upper atmosphere." Clearly, clouds are a negative feedback, then.
- Okay, so the recent CO2 increase from app. 280ppm to 390ppm (about a 40% increase) was caused 99.6% by the sun and 0.4% by human activities? I'm still confused. I don't think any climate scientist in the world could agree with that. Keep firing...
@arneperschel A 40% increase in a trace gas making up only 0.039% of the atmosphere is nothing. The Oceans release co2 as they warm as does the biosphere. To aleviate your confusion , take humans out of the picture and the climate will continue to change. The only thing humanity has done to benefit our Planet's ecology was to enrich the atmosphere with co2 by burning fossil fuels. Hope you are beginning to be enlightened, the confusion will pass.
So, the sun's responsible for most of that negligible 40% increase by warming the oceans and making the biosphere release its carbon? And humans, through their benign emissions are compensating for the tragic loss? If it weren't for us, the oceans would have become devoid of carbon long ago.
Have you heard of ocean acidification?
Have you heard of carbon isotopes? Did you know there's an observed loss of oxygen in the atmosphere which happens to mirror to CO2 increase?
/watch?v=Ge0jhYDcazY - invalid: she's black, female and works for the BBC
/watch?v=q0kIaCKPlH4 - invalid: his T-shirt says 'energy geek'
/watch?v=02EpAMm8rfo - whoops the video was done by GREENman, it can't be right. Moreover, the scientists in the video are a Dutch guy working for NOAA and a Scot (!) - oh, there's the commie BBC again!
Has he tried to debunk AGW yet? It is easy ! climate models are mere calculations and there is no proof in the AGW theory. The Sun , now entering a grand minimum controls our climate and not an insignificant trace gas in the atmosphere.
Seriously, what would be so terribly bad about winter temperatures dipping to -20C? The Mail described current winters across the Dakotas, Minnesota, Montana, and parts of Manitoba and Saskatchewan and this is some of the most productive farmland in the world.
A nice thing about having a developed cerebral cortex is that in theory it makes us adaptive to our environment. We have developed crops that can be harvested in shorter growing seasons. Alarmists on both sides do a disservice to us all
@AMRosa10 What would be more interesting is the fact the study of climate, advances in technology, may on day allow us to not longer have epic flooding, or droughts, the understanding of how and why things work could get us to be able to temper the world, granted that maybe 1,000 or never in the future, but the dis-service the media has been doing, to the world, is horrible. But I think the issue with temps getting that cold in those areas, would be having all that water build up and melt..
@AMRosa10 But than if the currents decreased would that than decrease the level of water to fall, because those effect the path of storms, so who knows if it would be a good think or a bad thing for England but it would be a change, and any kind of change scares people, so the media plays on that, not to inform, but to sell papers.. IF the headline was drop in currents an interesting but none conclusive finding was the head lines they would not sell all those papers...
There is a quick simple solution to global warming and climate change. It is called Muon Catalysed Fusion. As worked on Star Scientific. NO CO2. NO Greenhouse Gases. NO Toxic Waste. The source is dueterium from the World's Oceans - virtually limitless. It is cheap to produce. WE NEED IT NOW. See the website "Star Scientific Limited", Blog "The Big Picture by Andrew Horvath", Youtube video - "In the Footsteps of Fusion"
@potholer54 Sorry its .039% its a typo that i repeated. my video, which i revised and added a background to btw :D actually uses Lbs instead of PPM, here ya go, ill remove my old post so as not to spread confusion. here's the new one. watch?v=HbH05-JC9II
Since when have you ever trawled the tabloids for scientific facts? They are just playing you at your own game - diddling the less intelligent for whatever reason.
"In 2005 the media told us we were on the brink of another ice age. What happened?"...... nothing to do with the warming...... the sun is going into hibernation.. The cool down is coming.. I would put more effort into realising the truth than trying to go out of your way to debunked something thats been predicted for years, only now even NASA has changed their tune and confirmed the hibernation of the Sun!
Am I the only one that don't think 100 years sound like very long time? My grand dad was born a hundred years ago and a hundred years from now my grand children will probably be around as well...
Well we have just had 2 winters in britain with temperatures down to -15 and -20 .... But that's since the oil spill in the gulf ...... So digging for oil has broken the gulf not the fictional global warming .... Yet we have to pay more global warming taxes as if it's our fault!! Yet the oil companies can carry on regardless!! Wtf!!
Thanks for the series. I was skeptical myself of the GW, mainly because of my nature, so when GW was promoted by Al Gore, IPCC and mainstream media I thought it was crap and tended to believe the opposite. Since I can't be educated enought to make my own conclusions I'll say that I don't know if it is true or isn't. But if it is true, I believe no solar or wind energy or carbon tax is going to save us, I would suggest the curently hated nuclear power, till fusion is usable.
At 6:20 mins he reads tha the temperatures in th UK could fall as low as minus 20C -a few months later in Nov. 2010, the tempertature was several degrees lower at around minus 23C.
@1watcher123 We're talking climate here, not weather. Ie: sustained low temperatures, not a brief minimum in some remote corner of the realm. UK average temperature for November 2010 was 4.3 degrees C. For December it was -0.9 deg C. Nowhere near -20. Where I live in Manchester it didn't go below -6.8 in November or -9.2 in December at any single point in time. Still nowhere near -20.
Lets start with the weather, we'll see how this summer goes,this autumn, this December.I think that by 2015 we should start to get a better picture.Then, the next five years to get an even better look at things between 2015-2020.By 2020, I think people will be volunteering to bring down the population.But who has that Cristal ball, tell me, tell me.In any case, I can promise you a great show, millions should die threw earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes and those wonderful force 5-6 hurricanes.
One problem is that you constantly try to blame the tabloid press but the issue goes much further and is also down to the scientists themselves who often act like media whores. Take the BBC's flagship science prog Horizon ('The Big Chill') and Dr Terry Joyce, quoted in it and in the article 'Warming could bring colder UK winters', who says "there is a 50% chance of a sudden climate change happening in the next 100 years." Since I don't have time to obtain PhDs in 50 sciences, who should I trust?
@david222444 =Try live satellite data the figure cannot be massaged. The Planet is Cooling.= Please see my video "Climate Change -- Is the Earth Cooling" where this is debunked.
(con't...) A Mammoth with food still in its stomach means it froze instantly. The mammoth couldn't have been in a place where there is a changing of the seasons, because the food would have decomposed. Now, during winter months, there is little vegetation. What on Earth would a mammoth live off of in the Artic if it did not freeze instantly?
What about Discovery magazine's article called "The Global Warming Controversy" before 1992? It spoke of paleontologists who took samples in the Arctic and discovered through core samples that every previous Ice Age had temperatures warmer than today's yearly temeratures? They discovered that previous Ice Ages occured not only in warmer and warmer temperatures but also occured more frequently. Consider these studies including the Mammoth with undecomposed food still in its stomach?
Anthropogenic Global Warming is caused by human increases in fossil fuel CO2 PPM from 300 PPM for the last 800,000 years at least to the industrial revolution, to 390 PPM now.
The global warming theory is false, but what about a polar shift? That would also explain the melting of the ice along with increased volcano activity around the earth, earthquakes, etc.
"The global warming theory is false, but what about a polar shift?"
Polar Shift in the last 5000 years is 1/2 a degree difference from the 5 degree shift that turned the Sahara Jungle and Egyptian grain belt to deserts
Note that this only changes regional Geographical"CLimate"and is independent of Intergaciation Core Pluming heating the earth's AGT from ICe Age (12c -18C average,22c peak,currently at 15C for last 10,000 years) or Heat Exchange variability(Polar +7f,sub polar +5f Tropics -7f,etc)
"That would also explain the melting of the ice along with increased volcano activity around the earth, earthquakes, etc."
the increase flux of heat is from the core pluming causing increased plate tectonics..result is more heat,more co2 and other gases,and more earthquakes in the 8.0-9.0 range as well as reawakening of subduction volcanoes as the AGT gets ready from inter glaciation core pluming to go to 16c after the real fluke of a 15c stall for 10,000 years & overdue mass extinction event
@TheRealArchAngel @TheRealArchAngel Coincidentally, I recently heard about the coming mass extinction event as well. It was suggested it will happen within the next few hundred years, as early as the next 200. Scary.
@TheRealArchAngel@TheRealArchAngel Coincidentally, I recently heard about the coming mass extinction event as well. It was suggested it will happen within the next few hundred years, as early as the next 200. Scary.
@aztecking21122012 Why would anyone think this video is science? A well thought out piece of journalism certainly, but not science. Potholer54 has stated he's a recognized journalist and has a degree in the sciences. This is an educational video on a topic currently in the news, which has been the subject of huge amounts of hype, and needed a voice of reason to debunk. The point is to get you to check the facts, not believe anything you hear or read without checking.
@washmlakid I do believe that an ice age is imminent and not because of the GOM spill. I have thought about it and checked the facts, the ones I have found so far anyway. I don't find this video educational, as a matter of fact exactly the opposite. It clouds the issue in my opinion. Just my opinion, OK? There are so many bad videos out there and I am trying to find good ones, and this video gets in my way. I wasted time watching it, I guess that's my point.
@washmlakid Ran out of space...I mostly think it represents itself as science, the title alone says it. If it were not science then the title should be changed and a disclaimer added. He presents himself as a scientist.
@aztecking21122012 The whole series is about de-bunking the 'facts' that uneducated people are passing off as science. Several soi-disant experts, widely quoted in the media, actually have no more expertise in this area than I do (my degree is in Physics). It makes no claim to be science, rather the opposite. It is clearly stated that the author is not a climatologist in any sense and that his sole purpose is to point out that one should check the facts, not blindly believe whatever one is told.
@washmlakid Dude...all I am saying is the TITLE...the TITLE...the TITLE is what makes the claim it is science...that is why I clicked it in the first place. That is my point, ok. If your a physicist then you have intelligence and you will understand this, drop it! This conversation serves neither one of us.
You made your point...I made mine...leave it at that and let's move on.
Thank you for this video, i'm tired unto death with "climate change" panic, ever since i was a small boy i've been made to listen to these half baked semi-scientific predections (more like prophecies) about the end of the world, and yet time and time again have seen none of them come true.
I'm from Ireland. Now I'm looking on thermometer. It's -15 Celsius in Dublin (5 F)and -18 in Belfast (0F). Look on fecking news! Europe is paralyzed by strong cold snap and blizzards.
Finding that there was no difference in the current speed between 2002 and 2009 (as stated in the video) doesn't say anything about the original studies that used data from the 50's, surely. According to this video, there WAS a slow down over the space of 50 years, but no slowing down (that we can detect at least) in more recent years.
Please tell me if I'm wrong, but that's what I just heard.
These are the same ocean currents that bring cold dense water to the surface, particularly off the western coast of the Americas. A slowdown could therefore lead to a warming of the oceans ie. el nino.
Obviously it's a complex picture with warming and cooling going on, but that's my point; what about the rest of the ocean currents?
YES THE ATLANTIC LOOP CURRENT WAS SHUT DOWN, JUST NOT BY CO2. BP OIL SPILL IN THE GULF OF MEXICO WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE AN UNDERSEA VOLCANO, HAS APPARENTLY STOPPED THE LOOP.
wat i dont understand is untill 2 - 3 yrs ago .... every body believed in Global warming and Climate change.... now some people on Oil companies payroll started to deny Climate change.... this is the height of ignorance, Capitalism(i.e. actually Greedism), Barbarism... by the so called Civilized, Advanced WEST
Apparently the North Atlantic Current is very vulnerable to any global climate shift and may indeed cool a vast region of Europe even as the rest of the world warms due to an increase in co2.....
Current Global Warming May Reverse Circulation in Atlantic Ocean, as It Did 20,000 Years Ago ScienceDaily (Nov. 4, 2010) —
@chicagogeorge - "Apparently the North Atlantic Current is very vulnerable to any global climate shift" -- This was explained in the video. Any change in circulation is not due until at least the 22nd century. The ScienceDaily article you cite says the same thing.
How can they even tell whenthe circulation of the Gulf Stream Current shift? They really have no clue considering one branch of the Gulf slowed by 33% a few years ago, but now has again strengthened with no apparent cause or reason.
@potholer54 As of today there seems to be a lot of flak about the Gulf Stream actually stopping and quite alot of alarm about it, all based on a report by Gianluigi Zangari a physicist from the Frascati National Laboratories, I clicked him and came up with a pdf, he seems to bethe only scientist who has actually said anything about the whole affari and is being quoted by the usual conspiracy and doomsday sites...is there anything else out there that you know of?
@bolognano2009 I tracked this down to a paper written by Zangari and published on the website of something called the Geophysical Association of Italy (Associazione Geofisica Italiana.) As far as I can see it’s an observation of a slowdown of the Gulf of Mexico loop current, and from that “it might be plausible” that the BP oil spill caused it, that “it is reasonable to foresee” instabilities which in turn “may” interrupt the global climate. It is speculation with no evidence to support it.
@chicagogeorge CO2 does not have a signifficant effect on the environment - thats silly. Corxeit from the BP spill now thats more likly to have had an effect on the current. No doubt the main stream is going to pin this on man made global warming bullshit and force through their new world order carbon tax. WE ARE NOT FOOLED.
Also the billions of tons of oil introduced into the gulf of mexico a highly dense liqued will add its factor into the speed over time. So 30% slowed befor we notice slowing as we study it and not to mention ice ages occur in cyles every 11500 yrs the last one was 11500 yrs ago
2 completly unmetioned factors in this theroy of another ice age are 1 solar sun spots continue to decrease on the sun. as this happens it could refrezze the fresh water entering the ocean or even more likely lower global tempatures bring the ice age faster. 2 a giant ice shelf of fresh water large enough to quinch earths entire population for a year or 1553 miles long 400 meters thick has positioned its self nicley in the spot found 9:11 acting as a road block or speed bump in the gulfsteam
LOL!!!! Not -20 C! That's so horrible it's nearly half as bad as a typical winter in Winnipeg! That must mean that Winnipeg is super uninhabitable and completely made up of barren tundra! Xd
@dookiecheez With all due respect Winnpeg's total population is less than 700,000. Comparing Winnipeg and Northern Europe with the UK alone, having a population of 70 million mouths to feed is a little bit cheeky. If winter lasts longer than it should, there comes a point when not enough crops can be grown. We have a "just in time" culture, where very few people are prepared for a prolonged severe winter. Our infrastructure has virtually collapsed the last few weeks over a short period.
@dookiecheez I quote your comments from a few months back "LOL!!!! Not -20 C! That's so horrible it's nearly half as bad as a typical winter in Winnipeg! That must mean that Winnipeg is super uninhabitable and completely made up of barren tundra!"
"It's broad acres would turn to tundra and winter temperatures would plunge to minus 20 centigrade"
I was mocking the alarmist nonsense. Getting down to -20C does not make a region into a barren tundra especially considering I don't live in the tundra, and it regularly gets down to -40C ie the weather here in Winnipeg.
the point of cap and trade is to destroy production and to scew the middle class of the developed nations . fighting man made global warming (lie) means no development in the 3rd world . if they wanted to stop all of this they would stop pumping oil not charge us more. other planets in the solar system are warming up! how are SUV's causing that!? they are using our legitimate concern for the environment to fund they're global empire. watch end game, fall of the republic. zietgiest 1 and 2
With the new recent findings of last month, an Italian scientist has evidence that the loop current has now broken. What do you make of this? and how will it affect the climate in Europe?
@ChristiannaGarrett1 -- "the loop current has now broken" -- The Internet is full of rumors about this, and are even linking it to the BP oil spill. I can't find the source, but don't take these stories too seriously. Even if they were based on a legitimate study, there is nothing unusual in the AMOC slowing down or even stopping for a few weeks, according to previous research.
@potholer54 in my non proffessional opinion, i believe an ice age is on the way britain reach record lows this year. an it just makes sense that the oil spill would fuck the gulf stream whether it takes another 2 centuries or happens over the next year.
@MrGangaheaD88 The only thing the Gulf Stream and the Gulf of Mexico have in common is the word 'gulf'. The oil spill last year was confined to a relatively small area in the Gulf and any small dilute amount of oil which eventually reaches the North Atlantic will have virtually no effect on climate. Also, as potholer54 has shown in other videos, climatologists have shown that weather in one part of the globe in one year doesn't foretell global climate in that same year or any year.
@MrGangaheaD88 As potholer54 said in this and numerous other videos, what are the facts and to how many decimal places? From the language used, I suspect you're British; I also suspect you've been listening to too many Greens propaganda pieces. What gases? How does ecosystem damage along the American gulf coast effect global climate? I lived in southeast Louisiana for over 20 years, still have many family there. Trust me, the biosphere in the Bayou Country is affected by the storms ---
@MrGangaheaD88 this is global earth changes brought about by planetary movement and all the electromagnetic and photon complexities affecting tectonic plates and volcanos above and under the sea
@MrGangaheaD88 every year as much as, or more than, this oil spill. Look up how much of the Louisiana coast has been eroded in the past few decades and explain to me how the huge loss of habitat for marine animals and plants due to it compares to that caused by the oil spill.
"it just makes sense that the oil spill would fuck the gulf stream"
Gulf "Sweet Crude" is made up of more evaporatables and hydrocarbons that break down in salt water which is why it took a few weeks to "find" a small pile of what look like a puddle of motor oil with a single sardine(from a can?) on it
The "Oil covered" bird during a politician's walk actually flying up for the the "Photo op" seemed a little to convenient too (bet it smelt like castrol synthetic and the bird was trained)
Well at least this guy is being objective. Having said that, since i am from a different field (economics) someone is going to have to tell me wither the world is cooling or warming?
Peter: Are you familiar with the video series debating the climate brouhaha from the global warming alarmist perspective, presented by Peter Sinclair, called - "Climate Denial Crock of the Week"? What do you think of it?
@Jakob1951 - What is a "global warming alarmist"? The term seems as meaningless as "global warming denier", but I could be wrong, if you can define it.
See this link. new satelite radar damge from this summer show the current has stopped and stall all summer long - stopping moist air from getting to russia, watch it and then lets talk. This is new event.
Please see the Climate Scientists' Register that the International Climate Science Coalition have created & has been endorsed by 137 climate experts since June 2010:
tinyurl[dot]com/2es3rqx
The Register states:
“We, the undersigned, having assessed the relevant scientific evidence, do not find convincing support for the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide are causing, or will in the foreseeable future cause, dangerous global warming."
I kind of believed the story initially after reading a long article in the Atlantic Monthly but think that was already in around 95-98. It was a smart speculation then.
nice to see you attacking an alarmist message for a change. perhaps the next one you will take up is the imminent loss of arctic ice. then you will have the pleasure of naming off a few actual scientists as alarmists for extrapolating the 2007 loss of ice instead of treating it as the anomaly it was in addition to the media that touted the message
Great compilation potholer54. :-) Who is the author and broadcaster? Can I get in touch with him? What is the final conclusion of this series? It's not clear. Also, why didn't he mention Don Easterbrooke, noteworthy Professor of Climatology?
@Jakob1951 =Who is the author and broadcaster?= Sadly, advanced syphillis has eaten away at the author's brain and he spends his days babbling incoherent gibberish in his hut. However, if you'd like to send any messages to me I'll try to shout them through his feed hatch and interpret any replies. He tells me the series is not yet finished, and there will be no "conclusion," since he is not qualified to give one. As for Easterbrooke, what has he published that you consider noteworthy?
@potholer54 I see you have a sense of humour. It sounds like you don't know who the author is. Besides, I don't need a filter. My preference is to go right to the source...period.
As to Don Easterbrook (U of western Washington), he is a Geologist and not a Climatologist (Apparently). So forget him.
@Jakob1951 "As to Don Easterbrook (U of western Washington), he is a Geologist and not a Climatologist (Apparently)."
I know who Easterbrook is, and I've seen his website. He's written a lot of stuff challenging what's in peer-reviewed journals, but websites are no substitute for the scientific literature. That's why I asked if he had published anything noteworthy.
@potholer54 I don't understand your attitude potholer. Since you offered a well researched and presented series, why are you reluctant to reveal its author? Are you hiding something?
As to the conclusion, tt's not a question of his qualifications, but more the inference from the evidence. Surely he can do, and has done, that.
@potholer54 So, are you the author of this series? And are you the one doing the talking? Your reluctance to answer my questions makes me suspect that not everything is above board. I mean, what's with all the secrecy?
LOL, I've written my bio in the video description, and I have a 10-minute video describing who I am titled "Who I am." Of course, that could be my evil twin, Raoul, pretending to be me....
"Your reluctance to answer my questions..."
Please cast your eyes above, where I answered your questions on behalf of the ficticious author you were convinced wrote this series.
@potholer54 Yes, I see who you are...now. Forgive me, but that was not clear or even forthcoming in your previous (facetious) responses. I was wondering why you were playing cat and mouse.
No, actually I was convinced that you were only the presenter of the series produced by some (then unknown), individual. Now if I understand you; the avatar for you - Peter Hadfield, is potholer54: is that right?
@Jakob1951 -- I was amused by the idea that I was fronting for some sort of Howard Hughes-type figure, living in an attic and passing finished videos through a feed hole. I was a bit puzzled as to why you thought I was not the author, given that my life and identity are posted on both the channel description and in a video. But, yes, both the channel description and the video are accurate. That is me.
@potholer54 OK Peter. I guess your British humour, where you said that the author of the videos is suffering from Syphillis and babbling incoherent gibberish, threw me off the obvious track. Now that the CO2 is out of the bag :-), let me just compliment you again on a beautiful and thougtfully produced series. Please tell us what conclusions you have drawn so far, based on the evidence.
@Jakob1951 -- "what conclusions you have drawn so far, based on the evidence."
One thing I don't burden my subscribers with is my totally inexpert opinion. I'm not a climate scientist and I've never done any climate research, so whatever I conclude would be meaningless. There are too many amateurs out their babbling an opinion based on very little knowledge. I prefer to simply present what researchers have found, for and against, and then debunk a lot of the junk science that's out there.
@potholer54 I don't buy for one second the description of your opinion as "inexpert". Your opinion is probably the most expert I've ever seen from anyone who isn't an actual climatologist. You reported on this issue as a science journalist since 1992; I assume you had to get to grips with the science while you were doing that, so that's almost 20 years of studying the science. That's expert enough for me. I wasn't even born until 1993 and I've only been looking at the science since last winter!
@potholer54 I would disagree. You do give your opinion by proxy. When you begin to ask questions like: "Where is the missing heat? If hansen says the long term climate sensitivity is 3C then how much of the recent warming can be blamed on long term climate sensitivity of the past? Why doesn't the troposphere exhibit the proper 1.4 ratio of warming to the surface as indicated in the models?" When you start asking questions like these then you will be a reporter and not an advocate.
After video 8a and this one (10th) I starting to think there is an urgent need for a good science editor in every significant newspaper and news site, perhaps this should be a government funded program.
Publications in science magazines is only red by specialists, problem being regular people are voters, they elect politicians, who make decisions about funding... so, can this end up in a disaster? Yes, there is a "failsafe" - president's science committee and advisers, but still...
NOAA, July 15, 2010: June & Year-to-Date Global Temperatures were WARMEST on record
* The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for June 2010 was the warmest on record at 61.1°F (16.2°C), which is 1.22°F (0.68°C) above the 20th century average of 59.9°F (15.5°C).
* The global June land surface temperature was 1.93°F (1.07°C) above the 20th century average of 55.9 °F (13.3°C) — the warmest on record.
Great work on the whole series Peter, thanks. If you decide to do just one more, I'd love to hear what reputable published scientists say *is* going to happen in the next few decades.
good analysis .... unfortunately as we all know the last european winter was much longer and colder than usual and seemed to give credit to the hypothetis that the gulf current is definitely slowing down the recent studies on the gulf currents forming endless eddies also seems to give credit to the possibility we are in for another wild winter ....yes its true some theories can be debunked, but when the strait freezes again this year how will you debunk that
@MrInvisible669 - ""its true some theories can be debunked, but when the strait freezes again this year how will you debunk that"" -- This is known in science as an observation. i.e. a fact. One can't debunk facts, only silly hypotheses with no evidence to support them. As I've said a dozen times in the videos, the Earth's climate is not driven by CO2 levels alone. How many times do I need to repeat it?
This reminds me of the weekly Der Spiegel which whipped up swine flu hysteria and blamed others for exaggerating the risks and hazards of swine flu a few months later.
Nobody appears to have mentioned changes in the earth's magnetic field effecting the amount of solar radiation passing through to earth, esp the arctic region. Also whilst there is understandably some change going to occur due to greenhouse gases the proposed carbon tax appears to be the bit that is the scam, Science appears to still be uncertain of a runaway effect and exactly what temperatures may occur, and how nature may compensate in circumstances outside of what we know at present.
@chris5a3w I don't think you'll find a lot of scientist subscribing to a runaway effect. There are strong concerns about positive feedbacks but that only suggests that those feedbacks will push temps higher, not that they'll push them infinitely higher.
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There is only so much CO2, methane and other GHG's that are available to emit. If we continue to burn all we can and set off all the other GHG's there is a point where we can release no more. Of course we're dead by then.
Listen to the four part series "Astronomical Basis of Climate Change, Parts 1,2,3,4", especially Part 4 and see why another Ice Age is coming in the next 5000 years.
@mihrant Svensmark, right? So far they've not been able to establish a solid connection between cosmic sources and current warming. That's a big problem for the theory.
LOVE the bit at 06:30 about Britain being 'scarcely habitable' because 'winter temperatures would plunge to minus 20 centigrade.'
Here in the 'tundra' of Southern Ontario -- where temperatures do get down to -20 most winters -- we had a high of +33 degrees centigrade today. Just because it's cold in winter, doesn't automatically make it cold during summer.
The 'tundra' and 'scarcely habitable' bits are just hyperbole.
Would you consider SkepticalScience as a useful website Potholer54? It debunks skeptic arguments using peer-reviewed papers. I'm a layperson so I can't know whether it's just a so-and-so website or whether it's an absolute goldmine of top-standard information.
@DeadlyV1RU5 - "Would you consider SkepticalScience as a useful website"
From what I've seen, the information is accurate. They also pass the litmus test of giving sources that can be checked (When a website makes a lot of claims but gives no source it is automatically suspect.)
Humans will not be on earth forever get over it. We can see a big rock coming an know just enough to see it land. We will most likely kill ourselves before any of this will happens anyway.
@OORah4life Yes, but it makes no sense to hasten the annihilation of our own species. I know I'm going to die someday but that doesn't mean I want to put a gun to my head today.
Average June ice extent was the LOWEST in the satellite data record, from 1979 to 2010. Arctic air temperatures were higher than normal, and Arctic sea ice continued to decline at a fast pace. June saw the return of the Arctic dipole anomaly, an atmospheric pressure pattern that contributed to the record sea ice loss in 2007.
@Surhotchaperchlorome If you look through Potholer's videos on climate change he discusses An Inconvenient Truth. He takes both sides to task on the issue of climate change.
this is depressing, so does this mean that Britain's climate is going to stay the same forever, or as long as i live anyway? a climate like Canada's continental, or southern France's Mediterranean coming to the UK in my lifetime are myths? oh great, all we have to look forward to is perpetual maritime wind, cloud and drizzle :(. im gonna move to Greece!
saulwilliams56 13 hours ago
Has anyone else been unable to find part 11 of the series? I'll keep trying because it's been refreshingly eager to debunk the extremes of both sides of the controversy. The author's unfortunate YouTube name, potholer54, has made it difficult for me to convince friends to watch the series, too. At least, up to the end of part 10.
johntechwriter 2 weeks ago
@potholer54 what about the anaerobic bacteria that will flourish if the oxygen is cut off from going deep into the ocean?
what are your thoughts?
-Peely
azmanabdula 1 month ago
@azmanabdula - I'm afraid a glimpse of my thoughts would probably leave you amazed at the void. I never like to have opinions or regurgitate half-remembered facts until I've checked and updated them. So while I'm aware of the research into this subject, especially pertaining to the Permian-Triassic mass extinction, this will have to wait until I do a video on that subject. I am planning to, of course, because it's an important insight into how a high CO2-level world might behave.
potholer54 1 month ago
@potholer54 dont want to give anything away : P (joking)
it seems like a bad scenario if this "thermohaline circulation" shuts down, if/when that happens...
cant wait to see the video!
-Peely
azmanabdula 1 month ago
Very enjoyable thank you
MrJonkelp 1 month ago
some really good stuff here
TheSpikeystuff 1 month ago
I love you Potholer54!
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-20 thats nothing welcome to -40
spenore 4 months ago
You uploaded this June of last year. Kinda feel like you should have waited a year? Seems like you're a little......wrong.
ThePapabear27 4 months ago
@ThePapabear27 Seems you weren't paying full attention, as potholer didn't assert any claim. But please, if you would, explain what new evidence makes you feel this way. I am genuinely interested.
TheGlassDot 2 months ago
Has he tried to debunk AGW yet? It is easy ! climate models are mere calculations and there is no proof in the AGW theory. The Sun , now entering a grand minimum controls our climate and not an insignificant trace gas in the atmosphere.
david222444 5 months ago
@david222444 "climate models are mere calculations". Guess what, your computer performs nothing but calculations and it works pretty fine. Math is not voodoo.
But that's beside the point because AGW theory is not based on models, it's based on observation.
Does CO2 trap heat? Yes, it's a lab experiment.
Did solar activity increase? No, we have satellites for that.
Did the Earth warm? Yes, say the thermometers.
There's a long list of observational evidence.
So, go ahead and debunk it. It's easy!
arneperschel 5 months ago
@arneperschel Did this famous experiment that no one knows about use 0.038% co2 in the volume? Anything you care to mention will warm when heated including co2. Past warming caused by the grand solar maximum has nothing to do with man as co2 was a product of that warming. Obsevations of warming merely show that our sun drives the climate. AGW based on the observation of the active Sun warming our planet. AGW is ludicrous simples.
david222444 5 months ago
@david222444
It hurts me to contradict people. But I have to.
First, you don't understand the greenhouse effect. Of course, objects warm when you add energy to them. That's not the point. CO2 is transparent to wavelengths in the visible spectrum but opaque to infrared radiation. So, adding CO2 to the atmosphere makes it more difficult for heat to escape into space. If the energy influx from the sun stays constant, more heat is retained at any given time inside the atmosphere.
arneperschel 5 months ago
@david222444
Second, "Obsevations of warming merely show that our sun drives the climate" is directly the opposite of what scientists tell us. For instance, if the sun were causing the Earth to warm, we would expect to see more warming during the day than at night, more warming during summer than during winter, we would expect to see the stratosphere warm. But that's not the case. It's exactly the opposite. This is very strong evidence to exclude the sun as the main driver of recent warming.
arneperschel 5 months ago
@arneperschel I am still waiting for that lab experiment!! the above jibberish does not merit a reply(last winter was the coldest in 100yrs here).. You did mention the stratosphere which is cooling along with every other level of our atmosphere. Maybe you should read Svensmarks work or look at the Cloud experiment done at CERN. There are strong negative feedback systems at work within our climate which no doubt have been omitted in models. Some idiots even think that clouds cause warming!!
david222444 5 months ago
@david222444
Roy Spencer and John Christy say the stratosphere is cooling and the troposhere is warming. That's pretty hard proof.
Some idiots! Everybody knows that clouds cause cooling. How could you be in doubt about that? Just take a look at temperatures in winter and at night, which is half the time. The more clouds on a winter night, the colder. It's clear! Everybody knows that water vapor is not a greenhouse gas, right?
Anyway, last winter was cold, end of discussion.
arneperschel 5 months ago
@arneperschel Every level of our atmosphere ( including the troposphere) was colder on every day this year compared to last year. Water vapour is the major greenhouse gas . In winter at night clouds form a blanket protecting from ground frost, while in summer they reflect the Suns rays back into the upper atmosphere. Co2 is nothing but a product of Global warming caused by our Sun. Where is that experiment you were talking about?
david222444 5 months ago
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Haha! Compared to last year! Ever heard of ENSO?
"In winter at night clouds form a blanket protecting from ground frost, while in summer they reflect the Suns rays back into the upper atmosphere." So what's the deal with clouds? I'm confused!
Are you saying the observed increase in atmospheric CO2 over the past decades and centuries was caused by the sun? I can debunk that in a pretty convincing way. Are you at all interested? I'm not your enemy, I'm only trying to help.
arneperschel 5 months ago
@arneperschel As for El nino southern oscillation, a strong La nina is building as the Pacific decadal oscillation progresses into its 30 yr negative cycle. You are confused because clouds are acting as a negative feedback. You hit the nail on the head . ten out of ten, collect £200 when passing go. As co2 is a mere product of the Sun's warming of our planet, man's burning of fossil fuels merely adds a small amount to that product 0.4% infact. Can I help with any other misconceptions you have?
david222444 5 months ago
@david222444
Heehee... this is funny!
- You wrote: "In winter at night clouds form a blanket protecting from ground frost, while in summer they reflect the Suns rays back into the upper atmosphere." Clearly, clouds are a negative feedback, then.
- Okay, so the recent CO2 increase from app. 280ppm to 390ppm (about a 40% increase) was caused 99.6% by the sun and 0.4% by human activities? I'm still confused. I don't think any climate scientist in the world could agree with that. Keep firing...
arneperschel 5 months ago
@arneperschel A 40% increase in a trace gas making up only 0.039% of the atmosphere is nothing. The Oceans release co2 as they warm as does the biosphere. To aleviate your confusion , take humans out of the picture and the climate will continue to change. The only thing humanity has done to benefit our Planet's ecology was to enrich the atmosphere with co2 by burning fossil fuels. Hope you are beginning to be enlightened, the confusion will pass.
david222444 5 months ago
@david222444
So, the sun's responsible for most of that negligible 40% increase by warming the oceans and making the biosphere release its carbon? And humans, through their benign emissions are compensating for the tragic loss? If it weren't for us, the oceans would have become devoid of carbon long ago.
Have you heard of ocean acidification?
Have you heard of carbon isotopes? Did you know there's an observed loss of oxygen in the atmosphere which happens to mirror to CO2 increase?
arneperschel 5 months ago
@david222444
"To aleviate your confusion , take humans out of the picture and the climate will continue to change." We agree! Shake hands!
arneperschel 5 months ago
@david222444
Ohhhh, right! The lab experiment.
/watch?v=Ge0jhYDcazY - invalid: she's black, female and works for the BBC
/watch?v=q0kIaCKPlH4 - invalid: his T-shirt says 'energy geek'
/watch?v=02EpAMm8rfo - whoops the video was done by GREENman, it can't be right. Moreover, the scientists in the video are a Dutch guy working for NOAA and a Scot (!) - oh, there's the commie BBC again!
Don't trust them.
Trust these guys instead: /watch?v=ilbd702_DR0
See how easy it is to disprove the CAGW scare?
arneperschel 5 months ago
Has he tried to debunk AGW yet? It is easy ! climate models are mere calculations and there is no proof in the AGW theory. The Sun , now entering a grand minimum controls our climate and not an insignificant trace gas in the atmosphere.
david222444 5 months ago
Why do we pay these people to lie to us?
calmreason 5 months ago 6
@calmreason Because we can't handle the truth?
bannor99 1 month ago
"Tschutzpah"?
IoEstasCedonta 6 months ago
Seriously, what would be so terribly bad about winter temperatures dipping to -20C? The Mail described current winters across the Dakotas, Minnesota, Montana, and parts of Manitoba and Saskatchewan and this is some of the most productive farmland in the world.
A nice thing about having a developed cerebral cortex is that in theory it makes us adaptive to our environment. We have developed crops that can be harvested in shorter growing seasons. Alarmists on both sides do a disservice to us all
AMRosa10 7 months ago
@AMRosa10 What would be more interesting is the fact the study of climate, advances in technology, may on day allow us to not longer have epic flooding, or droughts, the understanding of how and why things work could get us to be able to temper the world, granted that maybe 1,000 or never in the future, but the dis-service the media has been doing, to the world, is horrible. But I think the issue with temps getting that cold in those areas, would be having all that water build up and melt..
ASexyChef 6 months ago
@AMRosa10 But than if the currents decreased would that than decrease the level of water to fall, because those effect the path of storms, so who knows if it would be a good think or a bad thing for England but it would be a change, and any kind of change scares people, so the media plays on that, not to inform, but to sell papers.. IF the headline was drop in currents an interesting but none conclusive finding was the head lines they would not sell all those papers...
ASexyChef 6 months ago
@AMRosa10 The issue is or the point of this video is honestly the media sucks lol
ASexyChef 6 months ago
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There is a quick simple solution to global warming and climate change. It is called Muon Catalysed Fusion. As worked on Star Scientific. NO CO2. NO Greenhouse Gases. NO Toxic Waste. The source is dueterium from the World's Oceans - virtually limitless. It is cheap to produce. WE NEED IT NOW. See the website "Star Scientific Limited", Blog "The Big Picture by Andrew Horvath", Youtube video - "In the Footsteps of Fusion"
2110kop 7 months ago
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Ravalat 7 months ago
@Ravalat =Carbon dioxide makes up .0039% of our atmosphere....Dont believe me?= No.
potholer54 7 months ago
@potholer54 Sorry its .039% its a typo that i repeated. my video, which i revised and added a background to btw :D actually uses Lbs instead of PPM, here ya go, ill remove my old post so as not to spread confusion. here's the new one. watch?v=HbH05-JC9II
Ravalat 7 months ago
As a Canadian, I was not aware that my country was uninhabitable. Maybe I should read the Daily Mail more often.
ThePsychoReturns 8 months ago
It's like Eckhart Tolle says, pain-bodies looking for food.(media, and all the bullshit in the world :)
PICLex 8 months ago in playlist Climate Change
Since when have you ever trawled the tabloids for scientific facts? They are just playing you at your own game - diddling the less intelligent for whatever reason.
Alex462047 8 months ago
"In 2005 the media told us we were on the brink of another ice age. What happened?"...... nothing to do with the warming...... the sun is going into hibernation.. The cool down is coming.. I would put more effort into realising the truth than trying to go out of your way to debunked something thats been predicted for years, only now even NASA has changed their tune and confirmed the hibernation of the Sun!
Xoranium 8 months ago
Am I the only one that don't think 100 years sound like very long time? My grand dad was born a hundred years ago and a hundred years from now my grand children will probably be around as well...
Hopefulfilment 9 months ago
Well we have just had 2 winters in britain with temperatures down to -15 and -20 .... But that's since the oil spill in the gulf ...... So digging for oil has broken the gulf not the fictional global warming .... Yet we have to pay more global warming taxes as if it's our fault!! Yet the oil companies can carry on regardless!! Wtf!!
SpunkeyMonkey 9 months ago
@SpunkeyMonkey Yes the winters harsh... answer digging? nope. Sun going into hibernation? yup!
Xoranium 8 months ago
i hear al gore is investing in companies that make cold weather gear..
cruxan007 9 months ago
@ potholer54:
Thanks for the series. I was skeptical myself of the GW, mainly because of my nature, so when GW was promoted by Al Gore, IPCC and mainstream media I thought it was crap and tended to believe the opposite. Since I can't be educated enought to make my own conclusions I'll say that I don't know if it is true or isn't. But if it is true, I believe no solar or wind energy or carbon tax is going to save us, I would suggest the curently hated nuclear power, till fusion is usable.
Bishop38f8 9 months ago
At 6:20 mins he reads tha the temperatures in th UK could fall as low as minus 20C -a few months later in Nov. 2010, the tempertature was several degrees lower at around minus 23C.
1watcher123 10 months ago
@1watcher123 We're talking climate here, not weather. Ie: sustained low temperatures, not a brief minimum in some remote corner of the realm. UK average temperature for November 2010 was 4.3 degrees C. For December it was -0.9 deg C. Nowhere near -20. Where I live in Manchester it didn't go below -6.8 in November or -9.2 in December at any single point in time. Still nowhere near -20.
Mechness 9 months ago
Lets start with the weather, we'll see how this summer goes,this autumn, this December.I think that by 2015 we should start to get a better picture.Then, the next five years to get an even better look at things between 2015-2020.By 2020, I think people will be volunteering to bring down the population.But who has that Cristal ball, tell me, tell me.In any case, I can promise you a great show, millions should die threw earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes and those wonderful force 5-6 hurricanes.
Jai666666666 10 months ago
One problem is that you constantly try to blame the tabloid press but the issue goes much further and is also down to the scientists themselves who often act like media whores. Take the BBC's flagship science prog Horizon ('The Big Chill') and Dr Terry Joyce, quoted in it and in the article 'Warming could bring colder UK winters', who says "there is a 50% chance of a sudden climate change happening in the next 100 years." Since I don't have time to obtain PhDs in 50 sciences, who should I trust?
InsaneMilliner 10 months ago
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david222444 11 months ago
@david222444 =Try live satellite data the figure cannot be massaged. The Planet is Cooling.= Please see my video "Climate Change -- Is the Earth Cooling" where this is debunked.
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david222444 11 months ago
@potholer54 Try debunking youself
david222444 9 months ago
@potholer54 Time will tell. As the Sun enters the new Grand Minimum, the climate will have no option but to cool.
david222444 8 months ago
(con't...) A Mammoth with food still in its stomach means it froze instantly. The mammoth couldn't have been in a place where there is a changing of the seasons, because the food would have decomposed. Now, during winter months, there is little vegetation. What on Earth would a mammoth live off of in the Artic if it did not freeze instantly?
Theteapartytruther1 1 year ago
What about Discovery magazine's article called "The Global Warming Controversy" before 1992? It spoke of paleontologists who took samples in the Arctic and discovered through core samples that every previous Ice Age had temperatures warmer than today's yearly temeratures? They discovered that previous Ice Ages occured not only in warmer and warmer temperatures but also occured more frequently. Consider these studies including the Mammoth with undecomposed food still in its stomach?
Theteapartytruther1 1 year ago
wow, this guy must be embarassed. imagine being so wrong and yet having a british accent. lollll
the current stopped july 2010. welcome to reality.
zebb1111 1 year ago
well i guess you were wrong lol
dognuts101 1 year ago
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Anthropogenic Global Warming is caused by human increases in fossil fuel CO2 PPM from 300 PPM for the last 800,000 years at least to the industrial revolution, to 390 PPM now.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
"Shutzpah"? Oy vey! The "ch" sound in "chutzpah" is a glottal fricative--made the same way as winging a hocker!
bwylen 1 year ago
Type in Google - Winter Storm:Map shows most of the Northern Hemispere covered in snow, taken on the 3rd of feb.
Conciousnow1983 1 year ago
Everything is ALLRIGHT, no problems whatsoever! Why bother? haha.
zeropm1 1 year ago
low sun spot activity at the moment,la nina the cooling effect in the pacific are contributing to colder winters as well.
ceepers35b 1 year ago
Its the sun...and cosmic rays from interstellar space...thats all thanks.
TheKickerboy99 1 year ago
The global warming theory is false, but what about a polar shift? That would also explain the melting of the ice along with increased volcano activity around the earth, earthquakes, etc.
furtherbeyond 1 year ago
"The global warming theory is false, but what about a polar shift?"
Polar Shift in the last 5000 years is 1/2 a degree difference from the 5 degree shift that turned the Sahara Jungle and Egyptian grain belt to deserts
Note that this only changes regional Geographical"CLimate"and is independent of Intergaciation Core Pluming heating the earth's AGT from ICe Age (12c -18C average,22c peak,currently at 15C for last 10,000 years) or Heat Exchange variability(Polar +7f,sub polar +5f Tropics -7f,etc)
TheRealArchAngel 1 year ago
"That would also explain the melting of the ice along with increased volcano activity around the earth, earthquakes, etc."
the increase flux of heat is from the core pluming causing increased plate tectonics..result is more heat,more co2 and other gases,and more earthquakes in the 8.0-9.0 range as well as reawakening of subduction volcanoes as the AGT gets ready from inter glaciation core pluming to go to 16c after the real fluke of a 15c stall for 10,000 years & overdue mass extinction event
TheRealArchAngel 1 year ago
@TheRealArchAngel @TheRealArchAngel Coincidentally, I recently heard about the coming mass extinction event as well. It was suggested it will happen within the next few hundred years, as early as the next 200. Scary.
furtherbeyond 1 year ago
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@TheRealArchAngel @TheRealArchAngel Coincidentally, I recently heard about the coming mass extinction event as well. It was suggested it will happen within the next few hundred years, as early as the next 200. Scary.
furtherbeyond 1 year ago
And looking at the date of this video vs what is actually happening now makes this video anything but science!
aztecking21122012 1 year ago
@aztecking21122012 Why would anyone think this video is science? A well thought out piece of journalism certainly, but not science. Potholer54 has stated he's a recognized journalist and has a degree in the sciences. This is an educational video on a topic currently in the news, which has been the subject of huge amounts of hype, and needed a voice of reason to debunk. The point is to get you to check the facts, not believe anything you hear or read without checking.
washmlakid 1 year ago
@washmlakid I do believe that an ice age is imminent and not because of the GOM spill. I have thought about it and checked the facts, the ones I have found so far anyway. I don't find this video educational, as a matter of fact exactly the opposite. It clouds the issue in my opinion. Just my opinion, OK? There are so many bad videos out there and I am trying to find good ones, and this video gets in my way. I wasted time watching it, I guess that's my point.
aztecking21122012 1 year ago
@washmlakid Ran out of space...I mostly think it represents itself as science, the title alone says it. If it were not science then the title should be changed and a disclaimer added. He presents himself as a scientist.
aztecking21122012 1 year ago
@aztecking21122012 The whole series is about de-bunking the 'facts' that uneducated people are passing off as science. Several soi-disant experts, widely quoted in the media, actually have no more expertise in this area than I do (my degree is in Physics). It makes no claim to be science, rather the opposite. It is clearly stated that the author is not a climatologist in any sense and that his sole purpose is to point out that one should check the facts, not blindly believe whatever one is told.
washmlakid 1 year ago
@washmlakid Dude...all I am saying is the TITLE...the TITLE...the TITLE is what makes the claim it is science...that is why I clicked it in the first place. That is my point, ok. If your a physicist then you have intelligence and you will understand this, drop it! This conversation serves neither one of us.
You made your point...I made mine...leave it at that and let's move on.
aztecking21122012 1 year ago
Thank you for this video, i'm tired unto death with "climate change" panic, ever since i was a small boy i've been made to listen to these half baked semi-scientific predections (more like prophecies) about the end of the world, and yet time and time again have seen none of them come true.
off with it i say
eran5005 1 year ago
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Dandaniels1978 1 year ago
I'm from Ireland. Now I'm looking on thermometer. It's -15 Celsius in Dublin (5 F)and -18 in Belfast (0F). Look on fecking news! Europe is paralyzed by strong cold snap and blizzards.
Yakuza0234 1 year ago
Finding that there was no difference in the current speed between 2002 and 2009 (as stated in the video) doesn't say anything about the original studies that used data from the 50's, surely. According to this video, there WAS a slow down over the space of 50 years, but no slowing down (that we can detect at least) in more recent years.
Please tell me if I'm wrong, but that's what I just heard.
Twick78 1 year ago
These are the same ocean currents that bring cold dense water to the surface, particularly off the western coast of the Americas. A slowdown could therefore lead to a warming of the oceans ie. el nino.
Obviously it's a complex picture with warming and cooling going on, but that's my point; what about the rest of the ocean currents?
Twick78 1 year ago
YES THE ATLANTIC LOOP CURRENT WAS SHUT DOWN, JUST NOT BY CO2. BP OIL SPILL IN THE GULF OF MEXICO WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE AN UNDERSEA VOLCANO, HAS APPARENTLY STOPPED THE LOOP.
joygarner 1 year ago
keep debating white Climate change get ya......
just like a wild bushfire or a tornado...
wat i dont understand is untill 2 - 3 yrs ago .... every body believed in Global warming and Climate change.... now some people on Oil companies payroll started to deny Climate change.... this is the height of ignorance, Capitalism(i.e. actually Greedism), Barbarism... by the so called Civilized, Advanced WEST
watup2154 1 year ago
Apparently the North Atlantic Current is very vulnerable to any global climate shift and may indeed cool a vast region of Europe even as the rest of the world warms due to an increase in co2.....
Current Global Warming May Reverse Circulation in Atlantic Ocean, as It Did 20,000 Years Ago ScienceDaily (Nov. 4, 2010) —
chicagogeorge 1 year ago
@chicagogeorge - "Apparently the North Atlantic Current is very vulnerable to any global climate shift" -- This was explained in the video. Any change in circulation is not due until at least the 22nd century. The ScienceDaily article you cite says the same thing.
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How can they even tell whenthe circulation of the Gulf Stream Current shift? They really have no clue considering one branch of the Gulf slowed by 33% a few years ago, but now has again strengthened with no apparent cause or reason.
chicagogeorge 1 year ago
@potholer54 As of today there seems to be a lot of flak about the Gulf Stream actually stopping and quite alot of alarm about it, all based on a report by Gianluigi Zangari a physicist from the Frascati National Laboratories, I clicked him and came up with a pdf, he seems to bethe only scientist who has actually said anything about the whole affari and is being quoted by the usual conspiracy and doomsday sites...is there anything else out there that you know of?
bolognano2009 1 year ago
@bolognano2009 I tracked this down to a paper written by Zangari and published on the website of something called the Geophysical Association of Italy (Associazione Geofisica Italiana.) As far as I can see it’s an observation of a slowdown of the Gulf of Mexico loop current, and from that “it might be plausible” that the BP oil spill caused it, that “it is reasonable to foresee” instabilities which in turn “may” interrupt the global climate. It is speculation with no evidence to support it.
potholer54 1 year ago 2
@chicagogeorge CO2 does not have a signifficant effect on the environment - thats silly. Corxeit from the BP spill now thats more likly to have had an effect on the current. No doubt the main stream is going to pin this on man made global warming bullshit and force through their new world order carbon tax. WE ARE NOT FOOLED.
WHENYOUREALISE 1 year ago
The Daily Mail appears to have a similar lack of integrity as Fox News here in the states.
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MediaCryptix 1 year ago
Great vid, but the "ch" in "chutzpah" is pronounced like a flem-laden "h", not a "sh"
:-)
SiriusMined 1 year ago
Also the billions of tons of oil introduced into the gulf of mexico a highly dense liqued will add its factor into the speed over time. So 30% slowed befor we notice slowing as we study it and not to mention ice ages occur in cyles every 11500 yrs the last one was 11500 yrs ago
SimonSezListen 1 year ago
2 completly unmetioned factors in this theroy of another ice age are 1 solar sun spots continue to decrease on the sun. as this happens it could refrezze the fresh water entering the ocean or even more likely lower global tempatures bring the ice age faster. 2 a giant ice shelf of fresh water large enough to quinch earths entire population for a year or 1553 miles long 400 meters thick has positioned its self nicley in the spot found 9:11 acting as a road block or speed bump in the gulfsteam
SimonSezListen 1 year ago
LOL!!!! Not -20 C! That's so horrible it's nearly half as bad as a typical winter in Winnipeg! That must mean that Winnipeg is super uninhabitable and completely made up of barren tundra! Xd
dookiecheez 1 year ago
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Dandaniels1978 1 year ago
@dookiecheez With all due respect Winnpeg's total population is less than 700,000. Comparing Winnipeg and Northern Europe with the UK alone, having a population of 70 million mouths to feed is a little bit cheeky. If winter lasts longer than it should, there comes a point when not enough crops can be grown. We have a "just in time" culture, where very few people are prepared for a prolonged severe winter. Our infrastructure has virtually collapsed the last few weeks over a short period.
Dandaniels1978 1 year ago
@Dandaniels1978
What are you going on about?
dookiecheez 1 year ago
@dookiecheez I quote your comments from a few months back "LOL!!!! Not -20 C! That's so horrible it's nearly half as bad as a typical winter in Winnipeg! That must mean that Winnipeg is super uninhabitable and completely made up of barren tundra!"
Dandaniels1978 1 year ago
@Dandaniels1978
"It's broad acres would turn to tundra and winter temperatures would plunge to minus 20 centigrade"
I was mocking the alarmist nonsense. Getting down to -20C does not make a region into a barren tundra especially considering I don't live in the tundra, and it regularly gets down to -40C ie the weather here in Winnipeg.
dookiecheez 1 year ago
Monckton gets owned: google "skepticalscience Monckton-response"
kenatiod 1 year ago
the point of cap and trade is to destroy production and to scew the middle class of the developed nations . fighting man made global warming (lie) means no development in the 3rd world . if they wanted to stop all of this they would stop pumping oil not charge us more. other planets in the solar system are warming up! how are SUV's causing that!? they are using our legitimate concern for the environment to fund they're global empire. watch end game, fall of the republic. zietgiest 1 and 2
iamdk007 1 year ago
I just watched all these climate change videos and I can honestly say I am confused. Is anthropic climate change a problem or not?
akrulla 1 year ago
With the new recent findings of last month, an Italian scientist has evidence that the loop current has now broken. What do you make of this? and how will it affect the climate in Europe?
ChristiannaGarrett1 1 year ago
@ChristiannaGarrett1 -- "the loop current has now broken" -- The Internet is full of rumors about this, and are even linking it to the BP oil spill. I can't find the source, but don't take these stories too seriously. Even if they were based on a legitimate study, there is nothing unusual in the AMOC slowing down or even stopping for a few weeks, according to previous research.
potholer54 1 year ago
@potholer54 - PLEASE POINT US TO THE PREVIOUS RESEARCH - WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE STREAM FAILED?
WHENYOUREALISE 1 year ago
@potholer54 in my non proffessional opinion, i believe an ice age is on the way britain reach record lows this year. an it just makes sense that the oil spill would fuck the gulf stream whether it takes another 2 centuries or happens over the next year.
MrGangaheaD88 1 year ago
@MrGangaheaD88 The only thing the Gulf Stream and the Gulf of Mexico have in common is the word 'gulf'. The oil spill last year was confined to a relatively small area in the Gulf and any small dilute amount of oil which eventually reaches the North Atlantic will have virtually no effect on climate. Also, as potholer54 has shown in other videos, climatologists have shown that weather in one part of the globe in one year doesn't foretell global climate in that same year or any year.
washmlakid 1 year ago
@washmlakid bollocks all the gases coming out of the ground WOULD cause severe damge to ecosystems and in turn would change climate.
MrGangaheaD88 1 year ago
@MrGangaheaD88 As potholer54 said in this and numerous other videos, what are the facts and to how many decimal places? From the language used, I suspect you're British; I also suspect you've been listening to too many Greens propaganda pieces. What gases? How does ecosystem damage along the American gulf coast effect global climate? I lived in southeast Louisiana for over 20 years, still have many family there. Trust me, the biosphere in the Bayou Country is affected by the storms ---
washmlakid 1 year ago
@washmlakid methane coming from the seabed after it ruptured
MrGangaheaD88 1 year ago
@MrGangaheaD88 this is global earth changes brought about by planetary movement and all the electromagnetic and photon complexities affecting tectonic plates and volcanos above and under the sea
MrGangaheaD88 1 year ago
@MrGangaheaD88 every year as much as, or more than, this oil spill. Look up how much of the Louisiana coast has been eroded in the past few decades and explain to me how the huge loss of habitat for marine animals and plants due to it compares to that caused by the oil spill.
washmlakid 1 year ago
"it just makes sense that the oil spill would fuck the gulf stream"
Gulf "Sweet Crude" is made up of more evaporatables and hydrocarbons that break down in salt water which is why it took a few weeks to "find" a small pile of what look like a puddle of motor oil with a single sardine(from a can?) on it
The "Oil covered" bird during a politician's walk actually flying up for the the "Photo op" seemed a little to convenient too (bet it smelt like castrol synthetic and the bird was trained)
TheRealArchAngel 1 year ago
Well at least this guy is being objective. Having said that, since i am from a different field (economics) someone is going to have to tell me wither the world is cooling or warming?
whatever465456 1 year ago
Peter: Are you familiar with the video series debating the climate brouhaha from the global warming alarmist perspective, presented by Peter Sinclair, called - "Climate Denial Crock of the Week"? What do you think of it?
Jakob1951 1 year ago
@Jakob1951 - What is a "global warming alarmist"? The term seems as meaningless as "global warming denier", but I could be wrong, if you can define it.
potholer54 1 year ago
Sorry here is the link for comment below.
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=r0yFZPNWoL8
thks.
stockman1963 1 year ago
Hi
See this link. new satelite radar damge from this summer show the current has stopped and stall all summer long - stopping moist air from getting to russia, watch it and then lets talk. This is new event.
stockman1963 1 year ago
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TomHarrisICSC 1 year ago
I kind of believed the story initially after reading a long article in the Atlantic Monthly but think that was already in around 95-98. It was a smart speculation then.
rewtnode 1 year ago
nice to see you attacking an alarmist message for a change. perhaps the next one you will take up is the imminent loss of arctic ice. then you will have the pleasure of naming off a few actual scientists as alarmists for extrapolating the 2007 loss of ice instead of treating it as the anomaly it was in addition to the media that touted the message
capemall 1 year ago
Great compilation potholer54. :-) Who is the author and broadcaster? Can I get in touch with him? What is the final conclusion of this series? It's not clear. Also, why didn't he mention Don Easterbrooke, noteworthy Professor of Climatology?
Jakob1951 1 year ago
@Jakob1951 =Who is the author and broadcaster?= Sadly, advanced syphillis has eaten away at the author's brain and he spends his days babbling incoherent gibberish in his hut. However, if you'd like to send any messages to me I'll try to shout them through his feed hatch and interpret any replies. He tells me the series is not yet finished, and there will be no "conclusion," since he is not qualified to give one. As for Easterbrooke, what has he published that you consider noteworthy?
potholer54 1 year ago
@potholer54 I see you have a sense of humour. It sounds like you don't know who the author is. Besides, I don't need a filter. My preference is to go right to the source...period.
As to Don Easterbrook (U of western Washington), he is a Geologist and not a Climatologist (Apparently). So forget him.
Jakob1951 1 year ago
@Jakob1951 "As to Don Easterbrook (U of western Washington), he is a Geologist and not a Climatologist (Apparently)."
I know who Easterbrook is, and I've seen his website. He's written a lot of stuff challenging what's in peer-reviewed journals, but websites are no substitute for the scientific literature. That's why I asked if he had published anything noteworthy.
potholer54 1 year ago
@potholer54 I don't understand your attitude potholer. Since you offered a well researched and presented series, why are you reluctant to reveal its author? Are you hiding something?
As to the conclusion, tt's not a question of his qualifications, but more the inference from the evidence. Surely he can do, and has done, that.
Jakob1951 1 year ago
@Jakob1951 -- "why are you reluctant to reveal its author? "
Thanks for the accolades, but why do you think there is some mysterious "author" writing all this material for me?
potholer54 1 year ago
@potholer54 So, are you the author of this series? And are you the one doing the talking? Your reluctance to answer my questions makes me suspect that not everything is above board. I mean, what's with all the secrecy?
Jakob1951 1 year ago
@Jakob1951
'what's with all the secrecy?"
LOL, I've written my bio in the video description, and I have a 10-minute video describing who I am titled "Who I am." Of course, that could be my evil twin, Raoul, pretending to be me....
"Your reluctance to answer my questions..."
Please cast your eyes above, where I answered your questions on behalf of the ficticious author you were convinced wrote this series.
"And are you the one doing the talking?"
Now you think I have a ghost-talker too??
potholer54 1 year ago
@potholer54 Yes, I see who you are...now. Forgive me, but that was not clear or even forthcoming in your previous (facetious) responses. I was wondering why you were playing cat and mouse.
No, actually I was convinced that you were only the presenter of the series produced by some (then unknown), individual. Now if I understand you; the avatar for you - Peter Hadfield, is potholer54: is that right?
Jakob1951 1 year ago
@Jakob1951 -- I was amused by the idea that I was fronting for some sort of Howard Hughes-type figure, living in an attic and passing finished videos through a feed hole. I was a bit puzzled as to why you thought I was not the author, given that my life and identity are posted on both the channel description and in a video. But, yes, both the channel description and the video are accurate. That is me.
potholer54 1 year ago
@potholer54 OK Peter. I guess your British humour, where you said that the author of the videos is suffering from Syphillis and babbling incoherent gibberish, threw me off the obvious track. Now that the CO2 is out of the bag :-), let me just compliment you again on a beautiful and thougtfully produced series. Please tell us what conclusions you have drawn so far, based on the evidence.
Jakob1951 1 year ago
@Jakob1951 -- "what conclusions you have drawn so far, based on the evidence."
One thing I don't burden my subscribers with is my totally inexpert opinion. I'm not a climate scientist and I've never done any climate research, so whatever I conclude would be meaningless. There are too many amateurs out their babbling an opinion based on very little knowledge. I prefer to simply present what researchers have found, for and against, and then debunk a lot of the junk science that's out there.
potholer54 1 year ago
@potholer54 I don't buy for one second the description of your opinion as "inexpert". Your opinion is probably the most expert I've ever seen from anyone who isn't an actual climatologist. You reported on this issue as a science journalist since 1992; I assume you had to get to grips with the science while you were doing that, so that's almost 20 years of studying the science. That's expert enough for me. I wasn't even born until 1993 and I've only been looking at the science since last winter!
DeadlyV1RU5 1 year ago
@potholer54 I would disagree. You do give your opinion by proxy. When you begin to ask questions like: "Where is the missing heat? If hansen says the long term climate sensitivity is 3C then how much of the recent warming can be blamed on long term climate sensitivity of the past? Why doesn't the troposphere exhibit the proper 1.4 ratio of warming to the surface as indicated in the models?" When you start asking questions like these then you will be a reporter and not an advocate.
capemall 1 year ago
THOSE FUCKING SCIENTISTS! Great video!
Ujikaweapon1 1 year ago
AMOC... what an odd acronym.
Global warming running amok threatens to disrupt AMOC. XD
I suppose this means I can finally delete the climategate e-mails from my HD.
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
After video 8a and this one (10th) I starting to think there is an urgent need for a good science editor in every significant newspaper and news site, perhaps this should be a government funded program.
Publications in science magazines is only red by specialists, problem being regular people are voters, they elect politicians, who make decisions about funding... so, can this end up in a disaster? Yes, there is a "failsafe" - president's science committee and advisers, but still...
SwineNahNah 1 year ago
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NOAA, July 15, 2010: June & Year-to-Date Global Temperatures were WARMEST on record
* The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for June 2010 was the warmest on record at 61.1°F (16.2°C), which is 1.22°F (0.68°C) above the 20th century average of 59.9°F (15.5°C).
* The global June land surface temperature was 1.93°F (1.07°C) above the 20th century average of 55.9 °F (13.3°C) — the warmest on record.
NSIDC, August 4, 2010
July sea ice = 2nd LOWEST on record
goog2k 1 year ago
Great work on the whole series Peter, thanks. If you decide to do just one more, I'd love to hear what reputable published scientists say *is* going to happen in the next few decades.
quantumG 1 year ago
good analysis .... unfortunately as we all know the last european winter was much longer and colder than usual and seemed to give credit to the hypothetis that the gulf current is definitely slowing down the recent studies on the gulf currents forming endless eddies also seems to give credit to the possibility we are in for another wild winter ....yes its true some theories can be debunked, but when the strait freezes again this year how will you debunk that
MrInvisible669 1 year ago
@MrInvisible669 - ""its true some theories can be debunked, but when the strait freezes again this year how will you debunk that"" -- This is known in science as an observation. i.e. a fact. One can't debunk facts, only silly hypotheses with no evidence to support them. As I've said a dozen times in the videos, the Earth's climate is not driven by CO2 levels alone. How many times do I need to repeat it?
potholer54 1 year ago
@MrInvisible669 or it could just be a one of coincidence.
robokill387 1 year ago
"Britain would scarcely be habitable [...] minus 20 centigrade."
Speaking as a Canadian: Oh no. -20C. However would you survive such terrible conditions?
WolfKazumaru 1 year ago
I was thinking the same thing. I've walked to 7-11 for a slurpee in colder weather.
ThePsychoReturns 1 year ago
@ThePsychoReturns
If you continue having slurpee in colder weathers and turning it into a family tradition,
your future bloodline might just become the strongest survivors if an ice age do arrival in the distant future. ha
iammrlee 1 year ago
That is, unless my descendants find a less retarded way to refresh themselves in cold weather.
ThePsychoReturns 1 year ago
@WolfKazumaru
Haha, terrifyingly freezing cold :D
But seriously, I love cold, -20C would suit me rather fine, and I'm not Canadian ;P
mickeypopa 1 year ago
This reminds me of the weekly Der Spiegel which whipped up swine flu hysteria and blamed others for exaggerating the risks and hazards of swine flu a few months later.
randomuser1975 1 year ago
Nobody appears to have mentioned changes in the earth's magnetic field effecting the amount of solar radiation passing through to earth, esp the arctic region. Also whilst there is understandably some change going to occur due to greenhouse gases the proposed carbon tax appears to be the bit that is the scam, Science appears to still be uncertain of a runaway effect and exactly what temperatures may occur, and how nature may compensate in circumstances outside of what we know at present.
chris5a3w 1 year ago
@chris5a3w I don't think you'll find a lot of scientist subscribing to a runaway effect. There are strong concerns about positive feedbacks but that only suggests that those feedbacks will push temps higher, not that they'll push them infinitely higher.
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There is only so much CO2, methane and other GHG's that are available to emit. If we continue to burn all we can and set off all the other GHG's there is a point where we can release no more. Of course we're dead by then.
robhoneycutt 1 year ago
Listen to the four part series "Astronomical Basis of Climate Change, Parts 1,2,3,4", especially Part 4 and see why another Ice Age is coming in the next 5000 years.
mihrant 1 year ago
@mihrant Svensmark, right? So far they've not been able to establish a solid connection between cosmic sources and current warming. That's a big problem for the theory.
robhoneycutt 1 year ago
LOVE the bit at 06:30 about Britain being 'scarcely habitable' because 'winter temperatures would plunge to minus 20 centigrade.'
Here in the 'tundra' of Southern Ontario -- where temperatures do get down to -20 most winters -- we had a high of +33 degrees centigrade today. Just because it's cold in winter, doesn't automatically make it cold during summer.
The 'tundra' and 'scarcely habitable' bits are just hyperbole.
jeevesbond 1 year ago
Would you consider SkepticalScience as a useful website Potholer54? It debunks skeptic arguments using peer-reviewed papers. I'm a layperson so I can't know whether it's just a so-and-so website or whether it's an absolute goldmine of top-standard information.
DeadlyV1RU5 1 year ago
@DeadlyV1RU5 - "Would you consider SkepticalScience as a useful website"
From what I've seen, the information is accurate. They also pass the litmus test of giving sources that can be checked (When a website makes a lot of claims but gives no source it is automatically suspect.)
potholer54 1 year ago
Humans will not be on earth forever get over it. We can see a big rock coming an know just enough to see it land. We will most likely kill ourselves before any of this will happens anyway.
OORah4life 1 year ago
@OORah4life Yes, but it makes no sense to hasten the annihilation of our own species. I know I'm going to die someday but that doesn't mean I want to put a gun to my head today.
robhoneycutt 1 year ago
July 6, 2010 - NSIDC
Rapid ice loss continues through June
Average June ice extent was the LOWEST in the satellite data record, from 1979 to 2010. Arctic air temperatures were higher than normal, and Arctic sea ice continued to decline at a fast pace. June saw the return of the Arctic dipole anomaly, an atmospheric pressure pattern that contributed to the record sea ice loss in 2007.
goog2k 1 year ago
So potholer, I first heard of this part of climate change from Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth.
I can't remember exactly what he said, but do you think he exaggerated?
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago
@Surhotchaperchlorome If you look through Potholer's videos on climate change he discusses An Inconvenient Truth. He takes both sides to task on the issue of climate change.
robhoneycutt 1 year ago