Battle Of Britain-Poland's Pilots Of 303 Squadron 3-4

[XPLANEFSX]

we helping britain, but britain piss on us in WWII

[Daveparts1]

The Poles were awesome, they took no prisoners

[zaur521]

It's just a movie , so why im crying and regret that i was born to late

[zaur521]

MY GOD, THEIR DOING IT :))

[zaur521]

7 listopada 1940 – S/Ldr (kpt.) Adam Kowalczyk 20 lutego 1941 – S/Ldr (por.) Zdzisław Henneberg 13 kwietnia 1941 – F/Lt (por.) Tadeusz Arentowicz 5 maja 1941 – S/Ldr (kpt.) Wacław Łapkowski 3 lipca 1941 – S/Ldr (kpt.) Tadeusz Arentowicz 9 lipca 1941 – S/Ldr (kpt.) Jerzy Jankiewicz 21 listopada 1941 – S/Ldr (por.) Wojciech Kołaczkowski 7 maja 1942 – S/Ldr (kpt.) Walerian Żak 19 maja 1942 – S/Ldr (por.) Jan Zumbach 1 grudnia 1942 – S/Ldr (por.) Zygmunt Witymir Bieńkowski patr. 2

[zaur521]

Kento(wski) :))))))))

KENTOWSKI

[lsnows]

No offence to anyone, but Frantisek was Czech!

[zaur521]

@lsnows no offence taken but ogólne dowództwo (brytyjskie) 2 sierpnia 1940 – S/Ldr Ronald Gustave Kellett, przekazane S/Ldr (kpt.) Adamowi Kowalczykowi 1 stycznia 1941

2 sierpnia 1940 – S/Ldr (mjr) Zdzisław Krasnodębski

7 września 1940 – F/O (por.) Witold Urbanowicz

22 października 1940 – F/O (por.) Zdzisław Henneberg

15 października 1940 – F/O (płk.) Jan Leszczyński

7 listopada 1940 – S/Ldr (kpt.) Adam Kowalczyk

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[archer49d]

@lsnows They mention that more than a few times.

[bgibb101]

The Poles did a fantastic job during the Battle of Britain. God bless 'em all!

[BcallingDB]

6:45 - the guy is talking about being arrested by the Gestapo and thrown into Auschwitz where he spent at least 2 years. And he says this while laughing. Auschwitz - it's a gas.

[NortonAV2010]

@BcallingDB

Only Jews bitch complain for 60 years at a reich that doesn't exist anymore. How many contributions did the jews make for the war?

Actually, they collaborated with the Soviets on many occasions and ratted out Poles for the NKVD. They had also had a great time talking trash about Poles in BS books with Soviet propaganda sources.

[lsnows]

@NortonAV2010 Admiral Sir Max Horton was a Jew, and he was responsible for leading the victory in the battle of the Atlantic.

[NortonAV2010]

@lsnows

great, but compared to the the tens of thousands of Jews who cheered and threw flowers when the Soviet Union occupied Poland-Lithuania in 1939, I can't say it's much of a net contribution.

[lsnows]

@NortonAV2010 Sorry, M8, I just don't believe jews cheered when anyone invaded their country.  What are your sources? As far as I know, nobody cheered the Soviets- not Poles, not Jew, not Lithuanians- nobody. Nobody liked the Soviets.

[NortonAV2010]

@lsnows

Most zionist groups in Soviet occupied poland voiced their support for the soviets and took several positions in the NKVD. Every book about the soviet occupation of Poland has to admit that Jews waved red flags and threw flowers when the reds came, even the Jewish ones

[lsnows]

@NortonAV2010 What books are you referring to? It's curious that Menachem Begin (who would later be Israeli Prime minister) was arrested by the NKVD soon after the Soviet invasion of Poland.

[NortonAV2010]

@lsnows

Lots of people got arrested by the NKVD, it's a coincidence

[lsnows]

@NortonAV2010 Lots of people did indeed get arrested by the NKVD, but it was no coincidence, for the NKVD did deliberately target Zionists as such.

[NortonAV2010]

@lsnows

Now for what reason would they do this? I'll admit if I'm wrong.

[lsnows]

@NortonAV2010 For the very reason that the NKVD arrested Polish intellectuals and Polish Army officers, and for the same reason that the NKVD arrested anyone- Stalin was patholigically paranoid of anything different from Communism, and Communism of HIS choosing. Menachem Begin I know, was arrested in Wilno for being an agent of the British- a preposterous idea, given how he later loathed all things British. Read a book called "Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin." Very interesting.

[NortonAV2010]

@lsnows

guess what book I happen to be reading?

[lsnows]

@NortonAV2010 For real? What chapter are you on? I think the part on the persecution of Zionists is in the last or the next-to-the-last chapter. In the chapter titled Molotov-Ribentropp Europe (the third or fourth), I believe, there's a part about Polish jews who were forced to live under the Soviets after the invasion by Stalin and Hitler. Surprisinigly they refused to take Soviet citizenship (symbolized in the loathed internal passport) in higher numbers than Poles as a whole.

[NortonAV2010]

@lsnows

Regardless, their actions during the war were ungrateful and cowardly. Poland was a safe haven for Jews for over 400 years, and they gave their thanks by betraying Poles and fighting mostly for themselves and the Soviets.

[lsnows]

@NortonAV2010 Sure, a minority of jews may have sided with the Soviets, and many Soviet jews were ardent commies, but let's be honest, for the average person having to choose between the Nazis and communism is a really hard choice for anyone. For a jew, choosing between a regime that will certainly murder you (the Nazis) and a regime that just maybe will murder you (Soviet Communism) is a no-brainer. Going back to pre-1939 Poland was not an option. Respectfully I ask you, what would you do?

[NortonAV2010]

@lsnows

The Poles saved Jews throughout the war and it was a country where one's entire family could be executed for harboring Jews. Non-slavs do not seem to understand the concept of honor, so I won't bother you with that detail, anglo-saxons tend to work for their own benefit instead of what is undeniably right.

Polish gentiles altogether were a much larger victim of WWII. Please look up 1944 warsaw uprising (and no, not the ridiculous ghetto uprising. That's something completely different.)

[lsnows]

@NortonAV2010 I know about both uprisings. Though I can certainly respect the fighting spirit of both, neither had a chance to succeed. And your claim that Polish gentiles were a much larger victim of WWII, again respectfuly I say, "sorry mate you're wrong." You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own statisics. As for non-Slavs not being honorable, I remind you that #1 1000s of Poles collaborated with the Soviets too. #2 Britain. What other than honor kept it fighting alone in 1940?

[NortonAV2010]

@lsnows

Which squadron shot down more than any other in the battle of britain? I'd like you to look that up (protip: look at the video 7 inches up.) Poles who collaborated with soviets fought against nazis, not against poles.

Look at Warsaw in 1945, Krakow in 1945, Katyn, the poles in concentration camps. The families excecuted for saving jews, the strafed children in fields, the bombed churches, villiages, and schools. And tell me that Poles were not AT LEAST as big big a victim as Jews

[lsnows]

@NortonAV2010 I am not disputing the heroism of Polish people, nor am I minimising their suffering. As a nation-state only Belarus suffered more in WWII.

Respectfully, look up Majdenek, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka and Auschwitz. It is true that Polish gentiles were murdered by the Nazi killing machine in those horror camps too, but the plurality (if not the majority) of the victims were Jews- most of them from Poland, Ukraine and Belarus.

Again, respectfully, I know about #303 Sqdn. 

[archer49d]

@lsnows I like you're comparison... 2.8 million vs. 6 million vs. whatever other amounts of millions. Oh wait, said that wrong, your comparison is moronic. hitler and all of his followers in the 3rd reich were (some still are) pure evil. Instead of arguing over who got the worse end of the deal people should be more aware of how they fought the nazis. Anyone (or group) who opposed hitler who uses WWII as an opportunity to pose as more of a victim than the next person (or group) is clueless.

[lsnows]

@archer49d The implication of your argument is that the suffering of people who didn't oppose hitler (many times because they hadn't the means) doesn't matter, a proposition that I reject. I agree with you that one should be aware of how heroically people fought the Nazis, not just who was victimized or how much. That said, I remind you that 4 in 5 German soldiers killed in the war died in the East front.

I welcome discussion, but if you want to continue with me don't use words like 'moronic.'

[archer49d]

@lsnows Opposition is not always by force, if you weren't with Hitler you were against him, so by no means was I attempting to imply that those who didn't do anything were not suffering.

That being said, I do find it interesting that a thousand could be marched to their deaths by a dozen, without a bit of resistance.

My main point was that instead of dwelling on which ethnic minority lost the most individuals it should be on heinous the acts of the Nazis in fact were.

[lsnows]

@archer49d With all due respect to your person, I disagree with you. It's important to know who suffered and how much. What I think you are repudiating (and I might agree with you on this) is that peoples (Jews, Serbs, Poles, Russians, etc.) engage in victimization one-upmanship for self-serving historical memory. Would you please clarify what you mean, sir?

[archer49d]

@lsnows The measurement of "who suffered and how much" leads directly to "victimization one-upmanship", this measurement is also largely irrelevant as that entire generation has passed on, unless Nazism is passed on genetically the point of who suffered is largely moot. The other important lessons which can be extracted from the war are largely forgotten (broken promises to the Poles, Eisenhower's blunder of not pushing to Berlin, Soviet tyranny etc.) due to political and cultural pressures.

[lsnows]

@archer49d Again sir, I disagree. It is important to know who suffers and how much in as much as it is important to know one's own past. To know one's own past gives a people a sense of self, and a direction. Looking at the past and seeing what worked and what didn't work is critical for a people's destiny. As for other lessons largely being forgotten, I ask you, 1. what lessons and 2. by whom do you say they were forgotten?

[archer49d]

@lsnows That sense of self and direction only serves to further divide people... ie. "I won't interact with you and demand compensation from you because somebody I don't know who was distantly related to me, and now dead, was once disenfranchised by somebody who is distantly related to you, but also dead". On the other hand the political rifts create by the political decisions of the Allies (Division of Germany, Iron Curtain, etc. etc.) caused "suffering" on a worldwide scale for decades.