That's all we really know for sure. Everything else -- the "from pneumonia" and "as a complication of 'HIV'", comes from what the doctors tell us, and modern doctors and their parent medical mafia have been caught lying like hell to us for decades, and will no doubt pathologically always continue to try doing so.
@TheLogicJunkie I'm sorry if I sound offended. I'm a physician. I know medical groups and doctors commit medical fraud from time to time. But so do people in every profession. Writers (like Ann Coulter for example) plagiarize and invent facts. But this is no reason to form conspiracy theories about the entire medical field and hold a distrust of every official document. There is no medical mafia. That implies I answer to a secretive organization ran throughout the world. I do not.
Well, it also so happens that I am the Emperor of Antarctica. And because I merely say so, that makes it true.
However, even if it were true that I were the Emperor of Antarctica, even that would have no bearing on the truth of any claims I made about the unimpeachable integrity of Antarctica. I would, after all, have a vested interest in perhaps lying. Only direct exploration of Antarctica should answer such doubts.
@TheLogicJunkie no one can prove who they are online, so fair enough. But likewise, you SAY you've written a book, although your face does not come up when I google image David Jack author. YOu're right, I wouldn't be defending my field if I weren't in it. But I assure you, Ms. Maggiore's medical examiner didn't pay me. I've put down a lot of hard work to get my degree. It's simply insulting to insinuate I've decided in college to pursue a life of lying to the masses.
@snillocgrom Well, 1) if someone goes online and buys my book, it actually arrives in the mail, so the truth of my having SAID I've written a book is SCIENTIFICALLY TESTABLE by buying one. My claim has that advantage, whereas your claim that you're a "doctor" doesn't -- so far. That means that the only fair thing to do is to disregard you currently untestable (and, I submit, largely irrelevant) claim that you're a doctor, and let the whole thing ride on the logical merits of just arguments.
Finally, I'm not a mind-reader, so I have no idea IF you really "decided in college to pursue a life of lying etc." (because your claims of being a doctor can't be substantiated at this point, nor should they trump the pure and commoner weight of simple logic), or if you really did that, WHY you did that. You imply you had virtuous motives -- well, okay.
But all of that is pomp and circumstance, a trump-tactic distractor from the argument at hand.
Beyond that, however, all I know is what virtually every single pre-medical advisory program tells virtually every pre-medical prospective for at least the past 20 years about what NOT to put on their personal essay when applying for medical school: "I want to be a doctor because I want to help people."
If you put that, your entire application is basically ignored. Prospectives are told that the "correct" reason to give should paraphrase "I want to participate in supporting the industry".
So, with that in mind, if you really want to sit there and claim that I'm being "insulting" (as if out of completely unfounded nowhere) to openly state (because I've not passive-aggressively implied anything -- I've overtly stated it in numerous places) that people of overt conscientiousness haven't been ALLOWED into medicine in the first place for quite some time now, well, that's your business. So as you claim to be a morally offended person of virtue, you don't fit the mold.
And so, even if your assertion of -- for the sake of argument -- not having entered the field of medicine in order to make a career of lying to the masses is true, it's entirely possible that you may very well have entered the field without such a goal, and even began with the noblest of goals. But at some point, when confronted with at least the specter of compelling corruption on some issue or other, there begins the pathway of choice which can easily lead us to complicity.
@TheLogicJunkie It's not a distractor. I'm calling out your cynicism, which you utilize to fuel your arguments (can't imagine why anyone would think you're being slightly disingenuous when you start to talk about "simple logic"). I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt if I do not know them. That way, I don't piss them off.
@snillocgrom You're not "calling out" anything. Are you really this blind, that you really cannot see that most of the world no longer trusts you and your medical industry one damn bit, and that the only way you're ever going to re-entrench yourself in supremacy is if you actually leverage badge-wielding goons with guns to literally FORCE people to ONLY use you and your industry, ever again?
I mean, seriously. I've indulged this endless debate with you for the sake of good faith, but come on.
I mean, yes, your industry HAS already begun to use its leverage with the FDA and the USDA and, by extension, governmental agencies like the FBI and so on, to literally bust down the doors of health food stores, aim guns at the faces of trembling owners and customers -- just like the megalomaniacal gestapo that you and your lot really and truly are at the bold bottom of things -- and actually STEAL their merchandise off their shelves and not even compensate them for their loss.
What never ceases to astound me is just how wantonly, shamelessly Nellie Olsen you people really are -- you actually believe that you're medically incapable of ever being in the wrong, no matter what, and that thereby continues to give you license to endlessly moralize and rationalize every single galaxy of complaints against you, into seeming nothingness.
As the old joke goes, "What's the difference between God and a doctor? God doesn't believe he's a doctor."
@TheLogicJunkie Moreover, even if I were not a doctor but a flying talking monkey, my point that seeing the entire medical field is a conspiracy is ridiculous still stands. Go ahead, explore the medical field. Michael Moore already did a great job of it. But even he isn't under the impression that there is a "mafia" at work here. A coroner falsifying cause of death is gambling with his license. And if it is AIDS we are talking about here, it is EVERY coroner in the world.
@snillocgrom No, it's NOT "every coroner in the world" -- presumably there would be coroners who would not be in agreement with a majority diagnosis. But, even then, that's not how the guild-industry of medicine works (nor does any guild-industry).
All guild-industries operate by means of fraternity peer pressure, where social convention and majority consensus is the standard of validity. This goes by different names in different places -- in research it's called "peer review".
This -- coupled with the hard leverage of financing, licensure, and other coercive essentials of career continuation -- is what keeps all guild-industry practitioners anywhere and everywhere towing the official party line. This is the fraternity-style dynamic that creates what we have seen here.
@TheLogicJunkie Well I don't treat AIDS, so I am not familiar with any such.. "hard leverage" from anyone. I fix people's legs when they crack their bones into pieces......surgeons are often called the plumbers of the medical profession, in other words, what the bleep do we know? You may be right, Duesberg may be right, but until someone says HIV doesn't kill T cells, it's better to err on the side of caution and A) have protective sex B) get screened if you got poked by a needle. My take.
peer review is necessary. Granted, when they taught us about AIDS in med school, all med schools could've conspired but it's too far-fetched. You're also assuming there aren't any ethical whistle blowers in infectious disease or immunology/epidemiology out there. I'm not going to debate the medicine of HIV with you. But you directly question the integrity of all doctors, and that we're so lame and powerless that we can only hold an opinion that "social convention" holds.
"guild-industry" like medicine also does not standardize practice procedures, and nothing presides over our individual practices that tells us we have to give a certain drug, unless in the case when a bunch of people flat out decide to break the law or the like. Medical knowledge is taught and continued to be learned. Scientific research also works differently than you think. Your stance is peer review is actually controlled by the government or the process is being tampered with all the time.
@TheLogicJunkie But with every major peer reviewed journal (even non major ones) in the world, rather they be public or privately controlled or even by non-profit organizations, display overwhelming evidence of the direct link between HIV and AIDS.....I'm not saying Duesberg isn't worth a gander, but his theories aside, the best way to keep someone with HIV alive is what we currently have. If you have so much faith in Duesberg, just go get yourself innoculated with HIV.
1) The reliance you are citing on consensus, while normally compelling, is not necessarily validity. Consensus is not validity. It can only strengthen the validity of whatever it gets behind -- in other words, if something is actually valid, it of course serves beautifully the cause of that argument. But if something is actually invalid, all that consensus will accomplish is a counter-productive purpose of entrenching the falsity and, thereby, the damage.
And while I'm only a limited fan of Ayn Rand, there are a few sentiments of hers that I prize as my sonar in the dark, and one of them applies perfectly to what you're describing:
"A million zeros is still zero".
I'm grateful you at least concede that someone like Duesberg is at least worth a gander, though. But as far as inoculating myself with HIV, while I'm not going to go out of my way to infuse myself with anything by whatever means (largely because I'm very fussy about my infusions),
if something happened whereby I got a needle stick or a blood-contaminated injury of some kind where I was informed that the blood was "HIV"-positive, I really don't think I'd lose any sleep over it. However, what I would fret over, most likely, is the idea that there might be some other truly verified pathogen I was exposed to.
Finally, I will also say that it is theoretically possible that "HIV" could actually exist -- just as Richard Dawkins' "Giant Spaghetti Monster" could also exist...
...but , just as the existence of the Giant Spaghetti Monster is falsifiable in every moment where it is not shown to exist, the existence of "HIV" has been shown to be falsifiable in every single PARTIAL-ONLY test that has ever been done to absolutely confirm it as the pathogenic agent of AIDS. And, so far, because of the retrovirus-specific requirements of Koch's Postulates, "HIV" has only ever been PARTIALLY characterized by that process -- and never truly confirmed.
...there is no actual and substantial reason TO believe or behave as though there is a thing that truly deserves to be called a "human immunodeficiency virus". And while the Flying Spaghetti Monster could theoretically exist, just as could HIV, so could an invisible three-headed kabuki man or any other completely arbitrary entity, and I could no doubt perform partial little tests here and there to seemingly "confirm" the existence of him, too. But there's no reason to treat him as real.
The only thing that honestly gives me pause about deliberately infecting myself with "HIV" are the adamant anecdotal claims of the occasional "HIV"-positive people I've run across since doing this video, who vehemently insist that they noticed a definite plummeting of their health shortly before they received a positive diagnosis. But I can't remember if I've asked them if they were significant users of recreational drugs (such as poppers) or not. But if they're dogmatic types, would they...
...would they be even be willing to be honest about having been heavy users, or would they somehow be so invested in the HIV >>> AIDS dogma that they would somehow see me as a kind of ideological "Loki" whose malignant nature it is to roam the earth, mentally tricking people into their doom, and so thereby they would somehow be motivated to actually lie about drug use, just to uphold the "lighthouse-of-safety" dogma of HIV, that they are convinced might allow them to stretch out their time?
This damn thing has got everybody so confused and terrified that I think they would actually perceive an investment in lying about crucial information that would actually lend additional support to the refutation of the HIV paradigm, because they truly now are shallowly and fallaciously convinced that the drugs are what are keeping them alive, and so they must support that foregone conclusion at all costs, as a kind of Machievellian, "ends-justify-the-means" rationalization.
@TheLogicJunkie I have, however been in pediatric clinics where I've personally seen children are born HIV positive (something AIDS denialists say is impossible). Poppers and any other IV drug users who are not HIV positive never develop AIDS. That just does not happen. I've never seen it in my experience. You'd be surprised how many people are actually quite frank about their drug use history. It's because they're so scared of HIV that they just hand their secrets over.
@snillocgrom I'm not surprised that there are children who are born "HIV"-positive. But the thing is that, despite all the now-dogma that there is an "HIV" and that it is what makes "HIV" tests come up positive, nobody really knows precisely what is really is producing those positive results. In fact, on "HIV" testing kits, it even says openly on the labels the legalese that what the tests test for, is not actually known. It's been there in the fine print all along.
I understand the difference between consensus and validity. That's why these papers are published for everyone to see and study and conduct their own experiments to prove or disprove. I'm not a scientist, so I can't attest to being able to test any findings directly. However, there isn't anything I can see that is invalid with HIV causing AIDS. You can isolate and sequence the entire HIV genome, and the bug's been observed to kill T cells under the microscope.
@TheLogicJunkie What is the name of the book you wrote? And before you go again let me know and I'll contact Peter and his wife and make sure he knows who you are. Peter is generally very friendly and sociable but gets a lot of correspondence and visitors so some context helps.
@DavidRCrowe The book is called "Thou Shalt Not Think". I sent it to him before it first came out, and it somehow actually made it into the Discover Magazine article that was recently written about him, where the article was all about how he violates the concept of the "Good German".
@DavidRCrowe Well, thank you, but I strongly suggest you remove this posted email of yours from this list, because there are a LOT of Duesberg haters who will jump on it. Just send it to me via private message, here on YouTube.
@TheLogicJunkie actually Mullis does not support his claims, only defends his right to be able to voice a dissenting opinion. Duesberg has never directly studied or worked with HIV himself. He has only made his claims based on a review of scientific literature and his knowledge of retroviruses. rather HIV caused AIDS was still debatable in the 1990s. But by now, the evidence across the world is rather conclusive that HIV is a direct cause of AIDS.
you know im all for objective thinking but this guy is a scam
"Two independent studies have concluded that the public health policies of Thabo Mbeki's government, shaped in part by Duesberg's writings and advice, were responsible for over 330,000 excess AIDS deaths and many preventable infections, including those of infants"
Just found you, watched this video and another one about college and debt. You are a thinking individual, how rare! not many people have realized that science today is nothing but science. A new religion has risen in the name of science full of silly dogmas but easily accepted by the majority since they are undersigned by so called scientists! About Duesberg, he is a hero. I 'll be watching you from Greece!
I trust your comment on fossil fuels was against the AGW scam, because all the scientific evidence and corrupt scientific agendas proves Anthropogenic Global Warming is a scam, there is zero scientific evidence behind it. Piers Anthony has shown that the Sun is the primary driver.
Great Video. Peter Duesburg is a legend. He also seems a nice bloke. I have heard before he writes back and acknowledge people who write to him. He has saved peoples lives. I have come to the conclusion that it is going to be impossible to change the current view on hiv. Whatever evidence the media and government control what the current view is. Its almost like old China in that you have to believe what you are told., and not allowed to question anything.
@simwatts...yes i agree that it will be very close to impossible to change the public opinion on hiv since most people in the united states and europe lives their lives according to the results of their next hiv test.but because of the scandal that has surrounded hiv/aids since the very beginning,laws are changing almost weekly now that is ultimately going to take the HIV OFF OF AIDS..there will always be AIDS,but HIV is being phased out.and it needs to be being that HIV is the controversy.
Aneuploidy sounds like a great excuse for the cell to undergo apoptosis. We would need SUBSTANTIAL research to prove this claim... He is most likely blowing his own trumpet again. I welcome responses.
stars1776, you are grossly misinformed about the medical workers. Show me the study that proves it. Medical workers are very careful about being infected by needle pricks. It's not as common as you think. First off the chance of accidental prick is extremely low, and the chance of that accidental prick being with an AIDS patient is even lower .. only 1 out of 300 people has HIV infection, so even if there are accidental needle pricks .. it is still only a small chance that the person had HIV.
If you believe that HIV is not the cause of AIDS, would you, Kary Mullis, and Peter Duesberg be willing to inject yourselves with the virus? Besides, it's well known that 1 in 10 people are immune to the virus. And 1 in 300 are elite controllers (able to suppress the virus indefinitely). About aneuploidy in cancer, Duesberg did not discover it. Every solid tumor cancer cell displays it, the problem is how do you solve it. Duesberg states the obvious, but what causes the aneuploidy? Does he know?
Ever read the philosophical writings of peter feyerband? He mainly deals with the subtopic , philosophy of science.He argues that the scientific community, in some ways, acts like the catholic church did in medieval europe when there was information presented that would debunk the status quo and he argues that many scientific ideas today and in the past are not or were not well received because they would clash against theories that were widely accepted by the scientific community.
Yeah. That's awesome. You can only keep the good guy down for so long. Also, the thing is when the good guy get's back up again, it usually decimates the antagonist.
Actually Peter Duesberg and many others volunteered to inject themselves with "HIV" years ago. (and then wait 35 years for HIV to work.Right!)
In reality that test has already been done by thousands by accident as medical workers infected (with confirmation) themselves through needle-stick infections. There have only been three cases of AIDS, and these are highly disputed. So HIV fails the test in the population studies and results are even below random with workers risks 500 times greater.
Hmm.. If all of you who think HIV does not in fact cause aids why dont you all go on some televised neutral place and voluntarily infect yourself with HIV. Then lets see how many are still standing after a few years.. I mean if duesberg is correct and its been in humans since the beginning of humans then why not? That would really show the scientific community something just isn't right. Why do this? Well because you are giving people who are infected false info.
That test has already been done and FAILED with thousands of medical health-care workers who have accidentally infected themselves with no significant increase in AIDS.. Viruses cause a disease within weeks of infection not 20 years! Get it? It's a Fraud.
Hey i really liked your video. Peter Duesberg is a great person ! love the fact that he tried to tell the truth. Too bad HVI/AIDS is way too big of a business.
I had an occasion to spend a few days in San Francisco last month, as I was moving back to Florida from Portland, Oregon, and I spent half a day walking around Berkeley for a few hours for the first time, ever. It was amazing.
I found the old, run-down building where Dr. Duesberg's lab is, apparently, and I tried to stop by to say hi, but he and his lab assistant were completely engrossed in work, so I just bowed out gracefully and moved along.
i did see some former cia confessions. after seeing ur vid and others, duesberg said a paper about aids came up even before there was a study. i played syfon filter when i was in highschool and now i think that video game was about aids virus
now if only i can get a copy of your book without using an evil credit card hehe(i don't have a credit card). few bookstores here that sell books i like, they only sell girly books and soft porn in malls.
ya i bought the issue and then i finally saw your face on youtube. i do hope duesberg will always be inspired by your book.
i don't really call myself a rebel of the system but i do try to counter some machinations of higher ups.
i played syfon filter when i was in highschool and college, after seeing ur vids i thought the video game was about aids or something. there were former cia agents that made testimonies, mission in south america, they were dismissed of course as lies.
Americans losing their civil liberties through the Patriot Act and Home Security in the name of terrorism. And already, there is this trend now that any American can be considered a terrorist under suspicion if they disagree with Obama, NAFTA, the New Wolrd Order, etc. And that is the irony of 9/11, a reason to fight against external terrorism, but, America is becoming a police state and the people are in danger of being called terrorists themselves. God, the elite shadow government are smart.
The Nazi movement is what I'll call a "hydra-viral philosophy" because, like the mythical Hydra, it sprouts an endless supply of different heads, as you cut each one off. Also, it spreads like a virus, and it is a philosophy of life -- albeit an utterly malicious, twisted, and myopic one which ultimately produces nothing but cannibalistic annihilation.
One of its infection tactics is to switch names and shells often, so as to escape detection by immune system of basic human decency.
Did you know that Al-Qaeda is really the latest alias of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was really a fanatical Arab Nazi group that arose during the rise to power of Adolph Hitler, out of a deep and fanatic reverence for the man and his stances?
During the 1970's and 80's, the CIA helped the Muslim Brotherhood change its name to the "Mujahadeen", because many people already knew that the name "Muslim Brotherhood" meant the Arab Nazi group. After that, they were renamed "Al Qaeda".
And so, try to stand back and wrap your brain around the true scope of the planet-wide conspiracy we really have going on here. We have a "good cop, bad cop" operation going on, where the global Crypto-Nazi movement has one arm called the "CIA" and the "Western powers" engaged in "real war" (*snicker*) with yet another Nazi arm called "Al Qaeda".
In other words, the entire war is one huge Nazi sham -- an uber-conspiracy to confuse, divide, and finally conquer the entire world.
Thanks again for your reply and information concerning the CIA. In fact I am going to do some more research following your lines of reference. I remember now reading something about the irony of America allowing certain high profile nazis into the country. And I like Duesberg for the fact that he is an individual thinker and one who bravely questions orthodoxy. Nothing wrong with orthodoxy as long as we are allowed to question its validity.
"Odessa" was the name of the movement that escorted Nazis into protection in other countries all over the world -- namely, America, Argentina, Bolivia, Sweden, and Spain -- and "Project Paperclip" was the name of the specific movement that brought Nazi "immigrant" scientists and other tacticians into America and, specifically, NASA, to spearhead the space "race" "against" the Soviet Union.
And there, too, was another conspiracy -- the "Cold War", that is.
Because, you see, at the cold, dark bottom of everything, is nothing more than an industrialist-banking uberclique that makes and breaks nations as needed, all in the pursuit of evolving knowledge and technology to the point of absolute godhood, whereby they and they alone can finally achieve a state of effortless and whimsical, cosmic perfection and nirvana.
All the rest of us are nothing more than expedient grist for this grand, psychopathic machinery of theirs.
And it does not matter whether the Republicans or Democrats get into power, for they are owned by banks and corporations. So who are these people that control America, who have real power? These are questions that Americans should ask. The Bush Administration lied to illegally invade Iraq and Afghanistan. America is a belligerant state. We continue to blame and call other nations hostile, but it is the government that uses rhetoric to convince people of our righteousness, and then we invade.
Yeah, I hate to say it, but science is supposed to be a field for renegades of truth in a world of corruption built by domineering liars.
Sadly, science has been completely infiltrated and taken over by the enemies of true science: the domineering liars. They thrive on the narcotic rush of social coercion and conspiratorial scheming. They are the underhanded bullies and sneaks of the playground, now pretending to be objective grown-ups.
Thanks for your video and congratulations on your book. Yes, I am one of those people who definately believe that 9/11 is an inside job, that HIV is harmless and does not cause AIDS, that Codex Alimentarius is a threat to world health, that the U.N. and the World Health Organization are malevolent entities, that all U.S Presidents are corrupt for the simple reason they are owned by banks and corporations. No, I am not a fanatic, but someone who refuses to be blind and naive.
I'm almost done reading a book called "The Fourth Reich" by Jim Marrs, and he makes a good, solid case that much of corporatism originated with Nazi Germany, and the banking-industrial financiers, such as the Rockefellers and Carnegies, who funded the Nazi machine to power.
Since the importation of top Nazis into the CIA, NASA, and the nations of Latin America and Scandinavia, they secretly built up the worldwide corporate nightmare we see today. "HIV" "science" is a continuation of that.
Thanks for your reply. It was good of you. And yes I heard about the nazi influence. You know people ask to provide proofs for our view points. It is more of the many evidences that point to a sinister world. And I now agree that HIV is a part of this conspiracy. You have eminent denial virologists who are not listened to. Why? Because of propaganda and media. Governments talk about freedom and justice, yet they use the CIA for devious and illegal activities. The CIA is a terrorist organization.
Correction: The CIA is a NAZI organization, begun by Prescott Bush and one of the original Dulles brothers, both of whom were devout Nazi supporters and sympathizers -- in other words, Nazis.
Please read "The Fourth Reich", and you will understand that all of the world we have been experiencing for the past 100 years is one vast expanse of the same sado-eugenic, deranged utopian movement officially called "Nazism". The NWO is nothing more than the culmination of Nazism.
I am very open to minority views if they are rational. I'm sure it has been asked before but my first question is has Duesberg agreed to be infected by *harmless* HIV?
That, of course, is a good question. When the scientist who proposed that ulcers were caused by a particular strain of bacteria, he personally swallowed a culture of the bacteria to test if he was right.
He got an ulcer, and then subsequently eliminated it with a course of appropriate antibiotics. That had never been done before as a treatment for ulcer.
I'm guessing that you don't know and the answer is likely no. It's far from a direct comparison to compare HIV with ulcers. I would expect Duesberg to agree to self-infection before people listen. Many scientists put their money where their mouth is.
There's no need to guess, because the answer is, of course, most likely no. I doubt he has.
It's one thing to prove a point about ulcers. It's another thing to prove a point about a virus.
When there was a public outcry over the dangers of plutonium, one of the leading proponents of atomic energy volunteered to eat a gram of the stuff, just to prove his point that a long half-life is exactly the opposite of degree of a radioactive substance's lethality.
PubMed lists 55 articles for Duesberg and Berkeley. When I add the filter HIV, the result is 16. He may have more from previous institutions.
That's a good publication record, although his last few articles have mostly been reviews of other people's work, which is typical for tenure.
He's a recognized authority on aneuploidy in cancer. To my knowledge, his lab is not licensed or competent to work with actual HIV. That require special biosafety precautions that they don't have.
My only point is, that if his group wanted to prove his contentions, they actually wouldn't be able to by law.
He has a good name in cancer, but no bona fides in retrovirology.
I admit that I am at a loss to explain the current epidemiology of AIDS. But, that's not really my expertise. I would have thought to see it all over Asia, given the sociology there. I will confess to being puzzled by the regionality and racial specificity of AIDS.
Actually, Peter Duesberg and Gallo were both peers on the Special Virus Cancer Program in the late 1960's and early 1970's, where the official word is that they were researching viral causes of cancer. So I'd say that he knows his virology at least as currently as that.
Wow, you know, I didn't know the half of this guy's craziness. He argues against pretty much everything. His papers on aneuploidy suggest that it's not a participant, it's the whole show.
For example ~60% of prostate tumors are p53 positive, 40% of breast cancer is BRCA1 positive, MDR1 is involved in recalcitrant tumors almost 90% of the time.
He denies cancer has a genetic component. He's increasingly looking like a nut job to me.
Well, in the light of the present world situation, I have no faith whatsoever in any government, corporation, banks, Presidents, United Nations, the World Health Organization, CIA, FBI, the Media, etc. And I certainly do not believe that HIV causes AIDS just because Gallo decided along with the drug companies to get rich. If people want to be naive idiots and believe in corporation controlled media and pharmacuetical drug companies that are no more than mafia organizations then so be it.
Dr. Duesberg is still actively publishing data on aneuploidy, multi-drug resistance and cancer.
He also has 16 publications on HIV, but none of them show experimental evidence (lab data), only his opinion on other people's data and surveillance. The volume has dropped, too. His last one was 2003, and before that 1998.
Bold theories demand clear proofs, and Dr. Duesberg knows that from his work on src.
Duesberg is a tenured professor. If he has actual experimental evidence, he needs to submit it to a peer-review journal. Otherwise, he's just got an opinion.
being mentioned in a magazine the highpoint of your life hahaha!. Elementary school was my highpoint :)
I am no scientist but I am following Duesburg for a couple of years now. He makes a lot of sense. I am sick and tired of all the corruption as well and the fact that you can't trust anybody. This is inherent to our money system. Virtually all people are corrupt. So I am eagerly waiting for the truth to come out on HIV/AIDS. That would be really something. But it will not happen I am afraid.
If you want my honest opinion, I've been wathcing your videos for a long time, and to me, you seem intellectually fit to be ina european nation, such as germany. I would say give it a shot, german democracy is alot less 'chutes and ladders' than american.
Cytogenetists have known for years that non-dysjunctions can lead to cancers. This is why we do karyotypes to diagnose certain cancers. But you should not just lump everthing into this category. There are cancers that occur w/o aneuploidy. Moreover, alteration of chromosome number is still "genetic" as you would describe it. Difference in chromosome number can lead to toxic levels of expression of regulatory proteins, same as mutation can. This is how they can lead to cancer. More later.
Good words, mistybombs. Western medicine seems to be a "religious" type belief system. It is blindly accepted as "truth", without question, for many individuals. I love the fact that people question this, and its ultimate goal, cash in hand. Science changes. When I was young, pluto was a plant. Now its not......
Great post. Science is based on never arriving at a conclusion until 100% proven scientifically and even then having an open mind to change, if it proves incorrect after the fact.Peter Duesberg is indeed a great scientist. He refuses to take part in Religious inneundos from both government and the general public, who have no clue about how they are manipulated by Pharmacuetical Companies who care not for a cure, but only for profit.Its fantastic you have a similar thinking mind.
its sad to see in india ,billboards going up asking pregnant mothers to test for HIV.
there is a concerted campaign to reduce and stress the 'useless eaters'..the rural population is being sold this , being thrown off their land by extremist elements of the naxlites, fundamentalist, and government counter intelligence operations all being funded by corrupt leaders (both left and right..fascism)
Yes, apparently the upper-class, narcy twits who run the world banks and print up endless virtual money at whim, they somehow "don't have the money" to fund true infrastructure programs, but they do "have the money" to endlessly finance their childish and horrific campaigns of pseudo-medical misinformation and genocide.
I mean, they somehow have the wherewithall to provide endless money and guidance to their private clique of friends and families, but they somehow don't have the wherewithall to provide that to anyone outside their clique. They'd rather just amuse themselves by finding new ways to impose deprivation, suffering, and death upon the rest of the world outside of their little cliques.
on banking systems ...read about colonial scrip and pennsylvania banking system ..
maybe the first products to be bought and sold could be the ropes to hang the british imperialist bankes with... i'd recommend making the rope out of hemp..a win win win situation
Do you believe in AIDS? Do you believe in HIV? I saw your video linked to a video mocking one of your older videos. Then there's Tommy Morrison (ex pro boxer) who supposedly was HIV positive then just recently said he tested negative, then there's Magic Johnson who has had HIV since like 91 or soemthing and he aint skinny by a long chalk. I'm just wondering does money buy you out of AIDS too ? lol
That video you saw of me supposedly mocking myself wasn't done by me. It was done by someone else, because neither I nor anyone else is allowed to question or criticize the HIV dogma at any time.
...Not one instance of questioning is allowed, ever. All attempts are to be terrorized, shouted down, and harassed to oblivion. Mind you, it's perfectly okay for the pro-HIV zealots to endlessly drill their Orwellian propaganda into everyone's heads at all time, but never the other way around, ever.
hey david, I watch a lot of yr videos, I have not watch all of them yet. the fact that I like u have a different point of view on things...but about u mentioning "man made global warming" ehhhhh, I'm not contradit what u said. I simply don't know much about that topic, but how did they make global warming?? would make a video on that?
The usual party line on global warming is that 1) global warming is happening, and that 2) it's caused by pollution and, especially, increased carbon dioxide emissions.
At issue is whether 1) any "global warming" is really happening at all, or, if it's actually happening now, if it's just a temporary blip or not... and 2) if it's really happening, if mankind's activities really cause it.
Do a web search for a video called "The Great Global Warming Swindle".
speaking as a gay black man, i was in no way offended by the article. duesberg points to the ridiculous amount of drug use prevalent in gay culture - and he's right...
Also if you read the very article that is mentioned, you will know how Duesberg thinks about homosexuals and black people. I guess it wouldn't work out for this video to mention that!
Yes... I did read that article, and I caught that, too. I wasn't thrilled with all that, to be sure, but he's the most prominent voice that has emerged to challenge the status quo.
These proteins are the results of a large number of genes and if one of those genes is mutated, the protein product of it will not be functional which will result in abnormality of chromosome lining and separation. So it is the gene that has been mutated that causes the cancer and aneuploidy is just a result of the cancer AND NOT THE CAUSE.
So, according to Duesberg there is no such thing as a gene that mutates and leads to cancer. There's a problem with this theory: there's a very tight regulation over the process of chromosomes lining up and separation. Hundreds of proteins have to work together in a network of interaction to make sure the process is done properly.
Duesberg argues that the aneuploidy (wrong number of chromosomes in a cell) causes cancer and this happens when during cell division process, the duplicated chromosomes don't line up properly to be separated. So you get two cells with abnormal chromosome numbers. He continues that even though these conditions are normally lethal to the cells, one might survive these conditions and result in a cancerous cell.
I'm getting the feeling that you're not so familiar with the Perth Group either. In this debate they have a more important role than Duesberg's in my opinion.
And Stefan Lanka recently wrote a book titled "AIDS ist das Verbrechen", translated something like "AIDS is the Crime". But it's currently only in German I believe, so... if you're interested... There are some videos about that here in youtube too, but mostly in german again...
Actually, I've read at least one interview with Eleni Papadopoulos from Perth. So I know what she has to say. She's the one who focuses on the 1972 Paris retroviral isolation criteria.
Sort of... But it's not that simple. The Perth Group has some very significant things to say about the HIV tests, and therefore about what HIV might really be... Duesberg never mentions that stuff. Make sure you check out their website, a lot of information out there.
For example the criteria for HIV tests varies from land to land, lab to lab. That's not normal. And how the tests are designed, how their spcifity is determined and so on...all that is pretty irrational.
All that I'm trying to communicate was that it may be effective if people were to start making videos titled "Who are the Perth Group members?" instead of staying focused on Duesberg.
Google "open letters to peter duesberg" and you might understand me better. You're supposed to find a link to the AIDS-Kritik website. It's a bit exhausting to navigate there but it's not that complex. Try to ignore the german parts...
Congratulations on the mention of your book in Discover. I notice you bring me up in this video but were not sure how long ago I registered positive on the so-called HIV test. Your guess was close but it was actually 1992 which means it's been 16 years (and five months) that I've been living in health (and through some really tough times) with no pharmaceuticals of any kind. Something you may find of interest: my husband and partner since 1996 tests negative despite normal, latex free relations.
PS: If you send me your email via PM - I'll send you a true story about the EVIL Establishment & drug pushers, which probably won't shock you, but will anger you beyond comprehension.
CONGRATULATIONS David! WOW! mention of your book by the GREAT Dr. Peter Duesburg! Thank you for helping to expose this awesome
Biologist. The TRUTH definitely needs to surface! I have tried encouraging Oprah & Annie Lennox to meet with Peter, so that they too can become CORRECTLY INFORMED & stop promoting those bogus HIV test$ + lethal MED$ on behalf of the PharMafia - but all to no avail. I believe that if anyone donates massive $ums to any cause, it's their DUTY to research such THOROUGHLY!
Oh! My intention was NEVER for either, OPRAH nor ANNIE LENNOX to come out of their closets & publicly admit their mistakes, but rather, going FORWARD, to REFRAIN from INADVERTENTLY donating whatever, whether it be tax-deductable or not, towards further DEATH & DESPAIR, esp. that which most often has a direct & hugely NEGATIVE impact on the LESSER GODS of this world & thus, oft' already paying a heavy price for having already been RAPED repeatedly of their deserved FREEDOM & RIGHT to EQUALITY!
When all is truly said and done, I think that no living thing has rights. Live, I fear, is nothing but being constantly at war with everything, from moment to moment.
Olalla David, you definitely need to watch THE SECRET & also read Matthew's 4 books - matthewbooks . com
FEAR is their (the dark forces who've dominated the field WAY TOO LONG) MAIN AIM, POWER & CONTROLLING FORCE ... LIGHT is OURS & it's FREE & readily accessible to ALL, ANYTIME, ANYWHERE - we just have to project it - see it - believe it - eat, sleep, drink it, & so it shall be! :)
Surely you too can smell the SWEET FRAGRANCE of PEACE & FREEDOM in the air - I can & am THRIVING ON IT! :)
Unfortunately, Duesberg is wrong. My boy friend quit the pills after reading extensively about his views. He had always taken enormous good care of his health, no drugs, hardly any alcohol, no smoking. Yet after one and a half year he nearly died of PCP-pneumonia. Now he is back on the pills and doing fine.
jackmoncarsz: I only hope that your partner has had the wisdom & common sense to have at least 3 different tests/opinions from 3 independent specialists, & has watched Gary Null's AIDS INC. DVD on Google carefully, & takes at least 1 of these bogus HIV test$ in the fartherest direction either East or West of where he lives! I guess that would only work if his name isn't on a government data base. If so, go across the border if need be.
im sorry for your boyfriend, but from the theoretical perspective, his condition as such cannot serve as a proof for anything but that he suffered from the pcp infection. actually, what should worry us are not the cases which confirm, but the cases that slip out from the theoretical frame. for there is no exception in theory. it is the exception that makes the theory false and not vice verse. its a hard thing to be a productive scientist these days indeed.
tetapehta: PHEW! Such words of sheer WISDOM & KNOWLEDGE! :)
On the other hand, I'm just a lonesome, independent 'activist' some call 'dissident' Mom, 6-7 years venturing down this same BUMPY CUL DU SAC (dead end) - yet I simply REFUSE to give up!
I OWE WAY, WAY MORE TO MY SOUTH AFRICAN & AFRICAN PEOPLE, gays & people of so-called 'colour' globally - of a different skin shade yes! - but so what! We make up the ONLY RACE - THE HUMAN RACE!
If I have the FIGHT IN ME - so be it & so I shall do!
THou shalt not think? Try, Thou Shalt not love. And then find a woman to break you heart.
When you have found her then you will understand what motivates these men to commit such evil. They are broken hearts and so they make all humanity pay.
Damn straight you should. At least you had no illusions about her; you truly understood her, warts and all. That's the key thing you have to do with anybody, as soon as possible, in order to get over them quickly if they ever leave you... because they always tend to leave because of incompatibility issues.
You could be with someone who is a pretender, and it's crucial to not be fooled into believing that they're this person who's perfect for you, when it's all an act.
Its tempting to share an electron with another to reach that lower entropy of being. But often they run off with it and leave you in a desperate unbalanced state. I'm looking towards the Noble Gases now. ;)
I know what you mean, because I was bonded to a highly corrosive oxygen ion for four years. To say I was left drained and destabilized is an understatement.
Well after 4 years the hardest thing is to find your former content studly self again . I don't know if this will speed the 'recovery' by I highly recommend this 5Gb of information found on the torrents:The-Annihilation-Method-by-Style-Seduction-Pickup-Material
It sounds cheesy at a glance, but there are about 500 pdf/audio/video files on there from all perspectives.
This latest sting, I messed it up I guess because of old wounds from a former 4-year relationship.
Duesberg is the man!
1mhiv 4 months ago
They did the same to wilhelm reich...orgone energy...
afro20man 5 months ago
Christine Maggiore also died of pneumonia as a complication of HIV in 2008.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
Correction -- Christine Maggiore DIED in 2008.
That's all we really know for sure. Everything else -- the "from pneumonia" and "as a complication of 'HIV'", comes from what the doctors tell us, and modern doctors and their parent medical mafia have been caught lying like hell to us for decades, and will no doubt pathologically always continue to try doing so.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie I'm sorry if I sound offended. I'm a physician. I know medical groups and doctors commit medical fraud from time to time. But so do people in every profession. Writers (like Ann Coulter for example) plagiarize and invent facts. But this is no reason to form conspiracy theories about the entire medical field and hold a distrust of every official document. There is no medical mafia. That implies I answer to a secretive organization ran throughout the world. I do not.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
Correction -- you SAY you're a physician.
Well, it also so happens that I am the Emperor of Antarctica. And because I merely say so, that makes it true.
However, even if it were true that I were the Emperor of Antarctica, even that would have no bearing on the truth of any claims I made about the unimpeachable integrity of Antarctica. I would, after all, have a vested interest in perhaps lying. Only direct exploration of Antarctica should answer such doubts.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie no one can prove who they are online, so fair enough. But likewise, you SAY you've written a book, although your face does not come up when I google image David Jack author. YOu're right, I wouldn't be defending my field if I weren't in it. But I assure you, Ms. Maggiore's medical examiner didn't pay me. I've put down a lot of hard work to get my degree. It's simply insulting to insinuate I've decided in college to pursue a life of lying to the masses.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
@snillocgrom Well, 1) if someone goes online and buys my book, it actually arrives in the mail, so the truth of my having SAID I've written a book is SCIENTIFICALLY TESTABLE by buying one. My claim has that advantage, whereas your claim that you're a "doctor" doesn't -- so far. That means that the only fair thing to do is to disregard you currently untestable (and, I submit, largely irrelevant) claim that you're a doctor, and let the whole thing ride on the logical merits of just arguments.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
Finally, I'm not a mind-reader, so I have no idea IF you really "decided in college to pursue a life of lying etc." (because your claims of being a doctor can't be substantiated at this point, nor should they trump the pure and commoner weight of simple logic), or if you really did that, WHY you did that. You imply you had virtuous motives -- well, okay.
But all of that is pomp and circumstance, a trump-tactic distractor from the argument at hand.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
Beyond that, however, all I know is what virtually every single pre-medical advisory program tells virtually every pre-medical prospective for at least the past 20 years about what NOT to put on their personal essay when applying for medical school: "I want to be a doctor because I want to help people."
If you put that, your entire application is basically ignored. Prospectives are told that the "correct" reason to give should paraphrase "I want to participate in supporting the industry".
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
So, with that in mind, if you really want to sit there and claim that I'm being "insulting" (as if out of completely unfounded nowhere) to openly state (because I've not passive-aggressively implied anything -- I've overtly stated it in numerous places) that people of overt conscientiousness haven't been ALLOWED into medicine in the first place for quite some time now, well, that's your business. So as you claim to be a morally offended person of virtue, you don't fit the mold.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
And so, even if your assertion of -- for the sake of argument -- not having entered the field of medicine in order to make a career of lying to the masses is true, it's entirely possible that you may very well have entered the field without such a goal, and even began with the noblest of goals. But at some point, when confronted with at least the specter of compelling corruption on some issue or other, there begins the pathway of choice which can easily lead us to complicity.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie It's not a distractor. I'm calling out your cynicism, which you utilize to fuel your arguments (can't imagine why anyone would think you're being slightly disingenuous when you start to talk about "simple logic"). I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt if I do not know them. That way, I don't piss them off.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
@snillocgrom You're not "calling out" anything. Are you really this blind, that you really cannot see that most of the world no longer trusts you and your medical industry one damn bit, and that the only way you're ever going to re-entrench yourself in supremacy is if you actually leverage badge-wielding goons with guns to literally FORCE people to ONLY use you and your industry, ever again?
I mean, seriously. I've indulged this endless debate with you for the sake of good faith, but come on.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
I mean, yes, your industry HAS already begun to use its leverage with the FDA and the USDA and, by extension, governmental agencies like the FBI and so on, to literally bust down the doors of health food stores, aim guns at the faces of trembling owners and customers -- just like the megalomaniacal gestapo that you and your lot really and truly are at the bold bottom of things -- and actually STEAL their merchandise off their shelves and not even compensate them for their loss.
Give me a break.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
What never ceases to astound me is just how wantonly, shamelessly Nellie Olsen you people really are -- you actually believe that you're medically incapable of ever being in the wrong, no matter what, and that thereby continues to give you license to endlessly moralize and rationalize every single galaxy of complaints against you, into seeming nothingness.
As the old joke goes, "What's the difference between God and a doctor? God doesn't believe he's a doctor."
Simply incredible.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie Moreover, even if I were not a doctor but a flying talking monkey, my point that seeing the entire medical field is a conspiracy is ridiculous still stands. Go ahead, explore the medical field. Michael Moore already did a great job of it. But even he isn't under the impression that there is a "mafia" at work here. A coroner falsifying cause of death is gambling with his license. And if it is AIDS we are talking about here, it is EVERY coroner in the world.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
@snillocgrom No, it's NOT "every coroner in the world" -- presumably there would be coroners who would not be in agreement with a majority diagnosis. But, even then, that's not how the guild-industry of medicine works (nor does any guild-industry).
All guild-industries operate by means of fraternity peer pressure, where social convention and majority consensus is the standard of validity. This goes by different names in different places -- in research it's called "peer review".
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
This -- coupled with the hard leverage of financing, licensure, and other coercive essentials of career continuation -- is what keeps all guild-industry practitioners anywhere and everywhere towing the official party line. This is the fraternity-style dynamic that creates what we have seen here.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie Well I don't treat AIDS, so I am not familiar with any such.. "hard leverage" from anyone. I fix people's legs when they crack their bones into pieces......surgeons are often called the plumbers of the medical profession, in other words, what the bleep do we know? You may be right, Duesberg may be right, but until someone says HIV doesn't kill T cells, it's better to err on the side of caution and A) have protective sex B) get screened if you got poked by a needle. My take.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
peer review is necessary. Granted, when they taught us about AIDS in med school, all med schools could've conspired but it's too far-fetched. You're also assuming there aren't any ethical whistle blowers in infectious disease or immunology/epidemiology out there. I'm not going to debate the medicine of HIV with you. But you directly question the integrity of all doctors, and that we're so lame and powerless that we can only hold an opinion that "social convention" holds.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
"guild-industry" like medicine also does not standardize practice procedures, and nothing presides over our individual practices that tells us we have to give a certain drug, unless in the case when a bunch of people flat out decide to break the law or the like. Medical knowledge is taught and continued to be learned. Scientific research also works differently than you think. Your stance is peer review is actually controlled by the government or the process is being tampered with all the time.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie But with every major peer reviewed journal (even non major ones) in the world, rather they be public or privately controlled or even by non-profit organizations, display overwhelming evidence of the direct link between HIV and AIDS.....I'm not saying Duesberg isn't worth a gander, but his theories aside, the best way to keep someone with HIV alive is what we currently have. If you have so much faith in Duesberg, just go get yourself innoculated with HIV.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
@snillocgrom
1) The reliance you are citing on consensus, while normally compelling, is not necessarily validity. Consensus is not validity. It can only strengthen the validity of whatever it gets behind -- in other words, if something is actually valid, it of course serves beautifully the cause of that argument. But if something is actually invalid, all that consensus will accomplish is a counter-productive purpose of entrenching the falsity and, thereby, the damage.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
And while I'm only a limited fan of Ayn Rand, there are a few sentiments of hers that I prize as my sonar in the dark, and one of them applies perfectly to what you're describing:
"A million zeros is still zero".
I'm grateful you at least concede that someone like Duesberg is at least worth a gander, though. But as far as inoculating myself with HIV, while I'm not going to go out of my way to infuse myself with anything by whatever means (largely because I'm very fussy about my infusions),
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
if something happened whereby I got a needle stick or a blood-contaminated injury of some kind where I was informed that the blood was "HIV"-positive, I really don't think I'd lose any sleep over it. However, what I would fret over, most likely, is the idea that there might be some other truly verified pathogen I was exposed to.
Finally, I will also say that it is theoretically possible that "HIV" could actually exist -- just as Richard Dawkins' "Giant Spaghetti Monster" could also exist...
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
...but , just as the existence of the Giant Spaghetti Monster is falsifiable in every moment where it is not shown to exist, the existence of "HIV" has been shown to be falsifiable in every single PARTIAL-ONLY test that has ever been done to absolutely confirm it as the pathogenic agent of AIDS. And, so far, because of the retrovirus-specific requirements of Koch's Postulates, "HIV" has only ever been PARTIALLY characterized by that process -- and never truly confirmed.
In other words...
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
...there is no actual and substantial reason TO believe or behave as though there is a thing that truly deserves to be called a "human immunodeficiency virus". And while the Flying Spaghetti Monster could theoretically exist, just as could HIV, so could an invisible three-headed kabuki man or any other completely arbitrary entity, and I could no doubt perform partial little tests here and there to seemingly "confirm" the existence of him, too. But there's no reason to treat him as real.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
The only thing that honestly gives me pause about deliberately infecting myself with "HIV" are the adamant anecdotal claims of the occasional "HIV"-positive people I've run across since doing this video, who vehemently insist that they noticed a definite plummeting of their health shortly before they received a positive diagnosis. But I can't remember if I've asked them if they were significant users of recreational drugs (such as poppers) or not. But if they're dogmatic types, would they...
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
...would they be even be willing to be honest about having been heavy users, or would they somehow be so invested in the HIV >>> AIDS dogma that they would somehow see me as a kind of ideological "Loki" whose malignant nature it is to roam the earth, mentally tricking people into their doom, and so thereby they would somehow be motivated to actually lie about drug use, just to uphold the "lighthouse-of-safety" dogma of HIV, that they are convinced might allow them to stretch out their time?
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
This damn thing has got everybody so confused and terrified that I think they would actually perceive an investment in lying about crucial information that would actually lend additional support to the refutation of the HIV paradigm, because they truly now are shallowly and fallaciously convinced that the drugs are what are keeping them alive, and so they must support that foregone conclusion at all costs, as a kind of Machievellian, "ends-justify-the-means" rationalization.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie I have, however been in pediatric clinics where I've personally seen children are born HIV positive (something AIDS denialists say is impossible). Poppers and any other IV drug users who are not HIV positive never develop AIDS. That just does not happen. I've never seen it in my experience. You'd be surprised how many people are actually quite frank about their drug use history. It's because they're so scared of HIV that they just hand their secrets over.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
@snillocgrom I'm not surprised that there are children who are born "HIV"-positive. But the thing is that, despite all the now-dogma that there is an "HIV" and that it is what makes "HIV" tests come up positive, nobody really knows precisely what is really is producing those positive results. In fact, on "HIV" testing kits, it even says openly on the labels the legalese that what the tests test for, is not actually known. It's been there in the fine print all along.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
I understand the difference between consensus and validity. That's why these papers are published for everyone to see and study and conduct their own experiments to prove or disprove. I'm not a scientist, so I can't attest to being able to test any findings directly. However, there isn't anything I can see that is invalid with HIV causing AIDS. You can isolate and sequence the entire HIV genome, and the bug's been observed to kill T cells under the microscope.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
Next time you're in Berkeley you should drop in, I'm sure Peter would be happy to see you. He'd take time out from his research, for sure.
DavidRCrowe 1 year ago
I already tried that, two summers ago. Didn't work.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie What is the name of the book you wrote? And before you go again let me know and I'll contact Peter and his wife and make sure he knows who you are. Peter is generally very friendly and sociable but gets a lot of correspondence and visitors so some context helps.
DavidRCrowe 1 year ago
@DavidRCrowe The book is called "Thou Shalt Not Think". I sent it to him before it first came out, and it somehow actually made it into the Discover Magazine article that was recently written about him, where the article was all about how he violates the concept of the "Good German".
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
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DavidRCrowe 1 year ago
@DavidRCrowe Well, thank you, but I strongly suggest you remove this posted email of yours from this list, because there are a LOT of Duesberg haters who will jump on it. Just send it to me via private message, here on YouTube.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie actually Mullis does not support his claims, only defends his right to be able to voice a dissenting opinion. Duesberg has never directly studied or worked with HIV himself. He has only made his claims based on a review of scientific literature and his knowledge of retroviruses. rather HIV caused AIDS was still debatable in the 1990s. But by now, the evidence across the world is rather conclusive that HIV is a direct cause of AIDS.
snillocgrom 7 months ago
you know im all for objective thinking but this guy is a scam
"Two independent studies have concluded that the public health policies of Thabo Mbeki's government, shaped in part by Duesberg's writings and advice, were responsible for over 330,000 excess AIDS deaths and many preventable infections, including those of infants"
imgordonfreeman 1 year ago
Just found you, watched this video and another one about college and debt. You are a thinking individual, how rare! not many people have realized that science today is nothing but science. A new religion has risen in the name of science full of silly dogmas but easily accepted by the majority since they are undersigned by so called scientists! About Duesberg, he is a hero. I 'll be watching you from Greece!
erinyahellenica 1 year ago
I've seen footage of Greece, and it looks beautiful...
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
I like you, I was expecting another Textbook Establishment rubbishing denouncing on Duesberg. What a refreshing surprise. Faved and Subbed.
herculese220 1 year ago
@herculese220 Glad you like it.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
I trust your comment on fossil fuels was against the AGW scam, because all the scientific evidence and corrupt scientific agendas proves Anthropogenic Global Warming is a scam, there is zero scientific evidence behind it. Piers Anthony has shown that the Sun is the primary driver.
pixarian72 1 year ago
Great Video. Peter Duesburg is a legend. He also seems a nice bloke. I have heard before he writes back and acknowledge people who write to him. He has saved peoples lives. I have come to the conclusion that it is going to be impossible to change the current view on hiv. Whatever evidence the media and government control what the current view is. Its almost like old China in that you have to believe what you are told., and not allowed to question anything.
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SirHulk1977 1 year ago
@simwatts...yes i agree that it will be very close to impossible to change the public opinion on hiv since most people in the united states and europe lives their lives according to the results of their next hiv test.but because of the scandal that has surrounded hiv/aids since the very beginning,laws are changing almost weekly now that is ultimately going to take the HIV OFF OF AIDS..there will always be AIDS,but HIV is being phased out.and it needs to be being that HIV is the controversy.
SirHulk1977 1 year ago
Aneuploidy sounds like a great excuse for the cell to undergo apoptosis. We would need SUBSTANTIAL research to prove this claim... He is most likely blowing his own trumpet again. I welcome responses.
wowsdrawkcab 1 year ago
stars1776, you are grossly misinformed about the medical workers. Show me the study that proves it. Medical workers are very careful about being infected by needle pricks. It's not as common as you think. First off the chance of accidental prick is extremely low, and the chance of that accidental prick being with an AIDS patient is even lower .. only 1 out of 300 people has HIV infection, so even if there are accidental needle pricks .. it is still only a small chance that the person had HIV.
dubtafoo 1 year ago
If you believe that HIV is not the cause of AIDS, would you, Kary Mullis, and Peter Duesberg be willing to inject yourselves with the virus? Besides, it's well known that 1 in 10 people are immune to the virus. And 1 in 300 are elite controllers (able to suppress the virus indefinitely). About aneuploidy in cancer, Duesberg did not discover it. Every solid tumor cancer cell displays it, the problem is how do you solve it. Duesberg states the obvious, but what causes the aneuploidy? Does he know?
dubtafoo 1 year ago
Paul feyerband, not peter feyerband.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
Ever read the philosophical writings of peter feyerband? He mainly deals with the subtopic , philosophy of science.He argues that the scientific community, in some ways, acts like the catholic church did in medieval europe when there was information presented that would debunk the status quo and he argues that many scientific ideas today and in the past are not or were not well received because they would clash against theories that were widely accepted by the scientific community.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
you're awesome dude!
carehappens 1 year ago
Yeah. That's awesome. You can only keep the good guy down for so long. Also, the thing is when the good guy get's back up again, it usually decimates the antagonist.
NewHeathen78 1 year ago
Actually Peter Duesberg and many others volunteered to inject themselves with "HIV" years ago. (and then wait 35 years for HIV to work.Right!)
In reality that test has already been done by thousands by accident as medical workers infected (with confirmation) themselves through needle-stick infections. There have only been three cases of AIDS, and these are highly disputed. So HIV fails the test in the population studies and results are even below random with workers risks 500 times greater.
stars1776 2 years ago
Hmm.. If all of you who think HIV does not in fact cause aids why dont you all go on some televised neutral place and voluntarily infect yourself with HIV. Then lets see how many are still standing after a few years.. I mean if duesberg is correct and its been in humans since the beginning of humans then why not? That would really show the scientific community something just isn't right. Why do this? Well because you are giving people who are infected false info.
lxlqlxl 2 years ago
That test has already been done and FAILED with thousands of medical health-care workers who have accidentally infected themselves with no significant increase in AIDS.. Viruses cause a disease within weeks of infection not 20 years! Get it? It's a Fraud.
stars1776 2 years ago
Gallo and Duesburg worked on The Us Special Virus Cancer Program. This Program created Aids.
MrTellTheTruth 2 years ago
According to Lenny Horowitz a zionist who is a member of the occult Knights of Malta, by his own admission. Great source for lies.
stars1776 2 years ago 2
@stars1776 Horowitz is a scammer, much like Deagle and some others.. the funny thing is, it is more or less obvious to anyone with a brain.
dinkolino2 1 year ago
where can i get a copy of that issue???? PLEASE!
thatbastardson 2 years ago
Hey i really liked your video. Peter Duesberg is a great person ! love the fact that he tried to tell the truth. Too bad HVI/AIDS is way too big of a business.
cybill2120 2 years ago 2
Sitting here at Strada with Dr. Duesberg and watching the clip. Nice job, thank you.
forelight 2 years ago
Glad you like it.
I had an occasion to spend a few days in San Francisco last month, as I was moving back to Florida from Portland, Oregon, and I spent half a day walking around Berkeley for a few hours for the first time, ever. It was amazing.
I found the old, run-down building where Dr. Duesberg's lab is, apparently, and I tried to stop by to say hi, but he and his lab assistant were completely engrossed in work, so I just bowed out gracefully and moved along.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
i did see some former cia confessions. after seeing ur vid and others, duesberg said a paper about aids came up even before there was a study. i played syfon filter when i was in highschool and now i think that video game was about aids virus
Navlek79 2 years ago
Hey, who knows? Stranger things have happened. It's a treacherous world out there.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
now if only i can get a copy of your book without using an evil credit card hehe(i don't have a credit card). few bookstores here that sell books i like, they only sell girly books and soft porn in malls.
Navlek79 2 years ago
ya i bought the issue and then i finally saw your face on youtube. i do hope duesberg will always be inspired by your book.
i don't really call myself a rebel of the system but i do try to counter some machinations of higher ups.
i played syfon filter when i was in highschool and college, after seeing ur vids i thought the video game was about aids or something. there were former cia agents that made testimonies, mission in south america, they were dismissed of course as lies.
Navlek79 2 years ago
i bought that magazine he has there... back issues only here in the philippines.
Navlek79 2 years ago
Yeah, it's a great review.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Americans losing their civil liberties through the Patriot Act and Home Security in the name of terrorism. And already, there is this trend now that any American can be considered a terrorist under suspicion if they disagree with Obama, NAFTA, the New Wolrd Order, etc. And that is the irony of 9/11, a reason to fight against external terrorism, but, America is becoming a police state and the people are in danger of being called terrorists themselves. God, the elite shadow government are smart.
111RobinHood 2 years ago
The Nazi movement is what I'll call a "hydra-viral philosophy" because, like the mythical Hydra, it sprouts an endless supply of different heads, as you cut each one off. Also, it spreads like a virus, and it is a philosophy of life -- albeit an utterly malicious, twisted, and myopic one which ultimately produces nothing but cannibalistic annihilation.
One of its infection tactics is to switch names and shells often, so as to escape detection by immune system of basic human decency.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Did you know that Al-Qaeda is really the latest alias of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was really a fanatical Arab Nazi group that arose during the rise to power of Adolph Hitler, out of a deep and fanatic reverence for the man and his stances?
During the 1970's and 80's, the CIA helped the Muslim Brotherhood change its name to the "Mujahadeen", because many people already knew that the name "Muslim Brotherhood" meant the Arab Nazi group. After that, they were renamed "Al Qaeda".
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
And so, try to stand back and wrap your brain around the true scope of the planet-wide conspiracy we really have going on here. We have a "good cop, bad cop" operation going on, where the global Crypto-Nazi movement has one arm called the "CIA" and the "Western powers" engaged in "real war" (*snicker*) with yet another Nazi arm called "Al Qaeda".
In other words, the entire war is one huge Nazi sham -- an uber-conspiracy to confuse, divide, and finally conquer the entire world.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Thanks again for your reply and information concerning the CIA. In fact I am going to do some more research following your lines of reference. I remember now reading something about the irony of America allowing certain high profile nazis into the country. And I like Duesberg for the fact that he is an individual thinker and one who bravely questions orthodoxy. Nothing wrong with orthodoxy as long as we are allowed to question its validity.
111RobinHood 2 years ago
"Odessa" was the name of the movement that escorted Nazis into protection in other countries all over the world -- namely, America, Argentina, Bolivia, Sweden, and Spain -- and "Project Paperclip" was the name of the specific movement that brought Nazi "immigrant" scientists and other tacticians into America and, specifically, NASA, to spearhead the space "race" "against" the Soviet Union.
And there, too, was another conspiracy -- the "Cold War", that is.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Because, you see, at the cold, dark bottom of everything, is nothing more than an industrialist-banking uberclique that makes and breaks nations as needed, all in the pursuit of evolving knowledge and technology to the point of absolute godhood, whereby they and they alone can finally achieve a state of effortless and whimsical, cosmic perfection and nirvana.
All the rest of us are nothing more than expedient grist for this grand, psychopathic machinery of theirs.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
And it does not matter whether the Republicans or Democrats get into power, for they are owned by banks and corporations. So who are these people that control America, who have real power? These are questions that Americans should ask. The Bush Administration lied to illegally invade Iraq and Afghanistan. America is a belligerant state. We continue to blame and call other nations hostile, but it is the government that uses rhetoric to convince people of our righteousness, and then we invade.
111RobinHood 2 years ago
this is where i heard of you
and i am quite glad
ya mention
science lol more like agenda fulfilling bs at times
even libraries book shelves are filled with crap leaned to 1 side
course its toward the profitable and popular ones
THETURBOHEAD 2 years ago
Yeah, I hate to say it, but science is supposed to be a field for renegades of truth in a world of corruption built by domineering liars.
Sadly, science has been completely infiltrated and taken over by the enemies of true science: the domineering liars. They thrive on the narcotic rush of social coercion and conspiratorial scheming. They are the underhanded bullies and sneaks of the playground, now pretending to be objective grown-ups.
Pathetic. This world has become a turd.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Thanks for your video and congratulations on your book. Yes, I am one of those people who definately believe that 9/11 is an inside job, that HIV is harmless and does not cause AIDS, that Codex Alimentarius is a threat to world health, that the U.N. and the World Health Organization are malevolent entities, that all U.S Presidents are corrupt for the simple reason they are owned by banks and corporations. No, I am not a fanatic, but someone who refuses to be blind and naive.
111RobinHood 2 years ago
I'm almost done reading a book called "The Fourth Reich" by Jim Marrs, and he makes a good, solid case that much of corporatism originated with Nazi Germany, and the banking-industrial financiers, such as the Rockefellers and Carnegies, who funded the Nazi machine to power.
Since the importation of top Nazis into the CIA, NASA, and the nations of Latin America and Scandinavia, they secretly built up the worldwide corporate nightmare we see today. "HIV" "science" is a continuation of that.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Thanks for your reply. It was good of you. And yes I heard about the nazi influence. You know people ask to provide proofs for our view points. It is more of the many evidences that point to a sinister world. And I now agree that HIV is a part of this conspiracy. You have eminent denial virologists who are not listened to. Why? Because of propaganda and media. Governments talk about freedom and justice, yet they use the CIA for devious and illegal activities. The CIA is a terrorist organization.
111RobinHood 2 years ago
Correction: The CIA is a NAZI organization, begun by Prescott Bush and one of the original Dulles brothers, both of whom were devout Nazi supporters and sympathizers -- in other words, Nazis.
Please read "The Fourth Reich", and you will understand that all of the world we have been experiencing for the past 100 years is one vast expanse of the same sado-eugenic, deranged utopian movement officially called "Nazism". The NWO is nothing more than the culmination of Nazism.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
I am very open to minority views if they are rational. I'm sure it has been asked before but my first question is has Duesberg agreed to be infected by *harmless* HIV?
wikichris 2 years ago
That, of course, is a good question. When the scientist who proposed that ulcers were caused by a particular strain of bacteria, he personally swallowed a culture of the bacteria to test if he was right.
He got an ulcer, and then subsequently eliminated it with a course of appropriate antibiotics. That had never been done before as a treatment for ulcer.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
I'm guessing that you don't know and the answer is likely no. It's far from a direct comparison to compare HIV with ulcers. I would expect Duesberg to agree to self-infection before people listen. Many scientists put their money where their mouth is.
wikichris 2 years ago
There's no need to guess, because the answer is, of course, most likely no. I doubt he has.
It's one thing to prove a point about ulcers. It's another thing to prove a point about a virus.
When there was a public outcry over the dangers of plutonium, one of the leading proponents of atomic energy volunteered to eat a gram of the stuff, just to prove his point that a long half-life is exactly the opposite of degree of a radioactive substance's lethality.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Is your book on Amazon?
Elenkhos 2 years ago
Yes.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
PubMed lists 55 articles for Duesberg and Berkeley. When I add the filter HIV, the result is 16. He may have more from previous institutions.
That's a good publication record, although his last few articles have mostly been reviews of other people's work, which is typical for tenure.
He's a recognized authority on aneuploidy in cancer. To my knowledge, his lab is not licensed or competent to work with actual HIV. That require special biosafety precautions that they don't have.
joemarklawson 3 years ago
At this point, I think you're nit-picking like mad.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
My only point is, that if his group wanted to prove his contentions, they actually wouldn't be able to by law.
He has a good name in cancer, but no bona fides in retrovirology.
I admit that I am at a loss to explain the current epidemiology of AIDS. But, that's not really my expertise. I would have thought to see it all over Asia, given the sociology there. I will confess to being puzzled by the regionality and racial specificity of AIDS.
Hey, I try to be honest and frank!
joemarklawson 3 years ago
Actually, Peter Duesberg and Gallo were both peers on the Special Virus Cancer Program in the late 1960's and early 1970's, where the official word is that they were researching viral causes of cancer. So I'd say that he knows his virology at least as currently as that.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Wow, you know, I didn't know the half of this guy's craziness. He argues against pretty much everything. His papers on aneuploidy suggest that it's not a participant, it's the whole show.
For example ~60% of prostate tumors are p53 positive, 40% of breast cancer is BRCA1 positive, MDR1 is involved in recalcitrant tumors almost 90% of the time.
He denies cancer has a genetic component. He's increasingly looking like a nut job to me.
joemarklawson 3 years ago
Does he look like a nut job to you because he is contradicting the majority alliance position?
Do you define sanity as being conformity to consensus?
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Well, in the light of the present world situation, I have no faith whatsoever in any government, corporation, banks, Presidents, United Nations, the World Health Organization, CIA, FBI, the Media, etc. And I certainly do not believe that HIV causes AIDS just because Gallo decided along with the drug companies to get rich. If people want to be naive idiots and believe in corporation controlled media and pharmacuetical drug companies that are no more than mafia organizations then so be it.
111RobinHood 2 years ago
I use PubMed, from the Natl Library of Medicine.
Dr. Duesberg is still actively publishing data on aneuploidy, multi-drug resistance and cancer.
He also has 16 publications on HIV, but none of them show experimental evidence (lab data), only his opinion on other people's data and surveillance. The volume has dropped, too. His last one was 2003, and before that 1998.
Bold theories demand clear proofs, and Dr. Duesberg knows that from his work on src.
joemarklawson 3 years ago
Discovery Magazine is to a science journal
as
People is to US News and World Report.
Duesberg is a tenured professor. If he has actual experimental evidence, he needs to submit it to a peer-review journal. Otherwise, he's just got an opinion.
And you know how common those are.
joemarklawson 3 years ago
Do a Google search with the search terms "the hiv gap" and "duesberg", and it will give you quite a number of links to published pieces.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
DUESBERG FOR PRESIDENT
tonytwotime 3 years ago 2
YES!!!
Aleromero77 3 years ago
truth is like a cork in water; eventually it floats to the top
maqman123 3 years ago 2
That's one way of looking at it.
...The opposite way is expressed in a Japanese saying: "The bent nail gets hammered down".
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
being mentioned in a magazine the highpoint of your life hahaha!. Elementary school was my highpoint :)
I am no scientist but I am following Duesburg for a couple of years now. He makes a lot of sense. I am sick and tired of all the corruption as well and the fact that you can't trust anybody. This is inherent to our money system. Virtually all people are corrupt. So I am eagerly waiting for the truth to come out on HIV/AIDS. That would be really something. But it will not happen I am afraid.
edicccc 3 years ago
Hey, in this kinda world, I'll take what I can get!
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
If you want my honest opinion, I've been wathcing your videos for a long time, and to me, you seem intellectually fit to be ina european nation, such as germany. I would say give it a shot, german democracy is alot less 'chutes and ladders' than american.
XxMetalManxX 3 years ago
Well, thank you for saying so... and if I could relocate to Germany or some other European nation, I'd be there immediately.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Cytogenetists have known for years that non-dysjunctions can lead to cancers. This is why we do karyotypes to diagnose certain cancers. But you should not just lump everthing into this category. There are cancers that occur w/o aneuploidy. Moreover, alteration of chromosome number is still "genetic" as you would describe it. Difference in chromosome number can lead to toxic levels of expression of regulatory proteins, same as mutation can. This is how they can lead to cancer. More later.
BEANMANOR 3 years ago
I like Duesberg.
jacko39 3 years ago
Good words, mistybombs. Western medicine seems to be a "religious" type belief system. It is blindly accepted as "truth", without question, for many individuals. I love the fact that people question this, and its ultimate goal, cash in hand. Science changes. When I was young, pluto was a plant. Now its not......
tonytwotime 3 years ago 5
Great post. Science is based on never arriving at a conclusion until 100% proven scientifically and even then having an open mind to change, if it proves incorrect after the fact.Peter Duesberg is indeed a great scientist. He refuses to take part in Religious inneundos from both government and the general public, who have no clue about how they are manipulated by Pharmacuetical Companies who care not for a cure, but only for profit.Its fantastic you have a similar thinking mind.
mistybombs 3 years ago 12
its sad to see in india ,billboards going up asking pregnant mothers to test for HIV.
there is a concerted campaign to reduce and stress the 'useless eaters'..the rural population is being sold this , being thrown off their land by extremist elements of the naxlites, fundamentalist, and government counter intelligence operations all being funded by corrupt leaders (both left and right..fascism)
kdcruz75 3 years ago 8
Yes, apparently the upper-class, narcy twits who run the world banks and print up endless virtual money at whim, they somehow "don't have the money" to fund true infrastructure programs, but they do "have the money" to endlessly finance their childish and horrific campaigns of pseudo-medical misinformation and genocide.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
I mean, they somehow have the wherewithall to provide endless money and guidance to their private clique of friends and families, but they somehow don't have the wherewithall to provide that to anyone outside their clique. They'd rather just amuse themselves by finding new ways to impose deprivation, suffering, and death upon the rest of the world outside of their little cliques.
*shrugs* Oh well.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
on banking systems ...read about colonial scrip and pennsylvania banking system ..
maybe the first products to be bought and sold could be the ropes to hang the british imperialist bankes with... i'd recommend making the rope out of hemp..a win win win situation
kdcruz75 3 years ago
Do you believe in AIDS? Do you believe in HIV? I saw your video linked to a video mocking one of your older videos. Then there's Tommy Morrison (ex pro boxer) who supposedly was HIV positive then just recently said he tested negative, then there's Magic Johnson who has had HIV since like 91 or soemthing and he aint skinny by a long chalk. I'm just wondering does money buy you out of AIDS too ? lol
Donkeyhawk 3 years ago
That video you saw of me supposedly mocking myself wasn't done by me. It was done by someone else, because neither I nor anyone else is allowed to question or criticize the HIV dogma at any time.
...Not one instance of questioning is allowed, ever. All attempts are to be terrorized, shouted down, and harassed to oblivion. Mind you, it's perfectly okay for the pro-HIV zealots to endlessly drill their Orwellian propaganda into everyone's heads at all time, but never the other way around, ever.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Damn!!!! You FAMOUS !
Donkeyhawk 3 years ago
Me? Famous? Pfft. I'd rather be filthy rich and completely unknown, quite frankly.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
hey david, I watch a lot of yr videos, I have not watch all of them yet. the fact that I like u have a different point of view on things...but about u mentioning "man made global warming" ehhhhh, I'm not contradit what u said. I simply don't know much about that topic, but how did they make global warming?? would make a video on that?
yimtang9 3 years ago
The usual party line on global warming is that 1) global warming is happening, and that 2) it's caused by pollution and, especially, increased carbon dioxide emissions.
At issue is whether 1) any "global warming" is really happening at all, or, if it's actually happening now, if it's just a temporary blip or not... and 2) if it's really happening, if mankind's activities really cause it.
Do a web search for a video called "The Great Global Warming Swindle".
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
speaking as a gay black man, i was in no way offended by the article. duesberg points to the ridiculous amount of drug use prevalent in gay culture - and he's right...
chthonic19 3 years ago
I am grateful for your decision to be so honest on that matter.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Also if you read the very article that is mentioned, you will know how Duesberg thinks about homosexuals and black people. I guess it wouldn't work out for this video to mention that!
shooty 3 years ago
Yes... I did read that article, and I caught that, too. I wasn't thrilled with all that, to be sure, but he's the most prominent voice that has emerged to challenge the status quo.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
These proteins are the results of a large number of genes and if one of those genes is mutated, the protein product of it will not be functional which will result in abnormality of chromosome lining and separation. So it is the gene that has been mutated that causes the cancer and aneuploidy is just a result of the cancer AND NOT THE CAUSE.
shooty 3 years ago
why can't i see the rest of the stuff i posted?!!
shooty 3 years ago
I'm sorry... I hadn't received a notification that these comments had been posted, so I didn't know they were awaiting approval.
I screen all my comments beforehand, to try to reduce the amount of sinister, anonymous sniping I have to endure.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
So, according to Duesberg there is no such thing as a gene that mutates and leads to cancer. There's a problem with this theory: there's a very tight regulation over the process of chromosomes lining up and separation. Hundreds of proteins have to work together in a network of interaction to make sure the process is done properly.
shooty 3 years ago
Duesberg argues that the aneuploidy (wrong number of chromosomes in a cell) causes cancer and this happens when during cell division process, the duplicated chromosomes don't line up properly to be separated. So you get two cells with abnormal chromosome numbers. He continues that even though these conditions are normally lethal to the cells, one might survive these conditions and result in a cancerous cell.
shooty 3 years ago
Please, search the name: STEFAN LANKA on Google!
Thanks in ADVANCE.
STEFANLANKA007 3 years ago
No... thank YOU. I just found him, and I'm going to read all about him.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
I'm getting the feeling that you're not so familiar with the Perth Group either. In this debate they have a more important role than Duesberg's in my opinion.
And Stefan Lanka recently wrote a book titled "AIDS ist das Verbrechen", translated something like "AIDS is the Crime". But it's currently only in German I believe, so... if you're interested... There are some videos about that here in youtube too, but mostly in german again...
sadunkal 3 years ago
Actually, I've read at least one interview with Eleni Papadopoulos from Perth. So I know what she has to say. She's the one who focuses on the 1972 Paris retroviral isolation criteria.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Sort of... But it's not that simple. The Perth Group has some very significant things to say about the HIV tests, and therefore about what HIV might really be... Duesberg never mentions that stuff. Make sure you check out their website, a lot of information out there.
For example the criteria for HIV tests varies from land to land, lab to lab. That's not normal. And how the tests are designed, how their spcifity is determined and so on...all that is pretty irrational.
sadunkal 3 years ago
Yes, thank you... but I wasn't born yesterday on this matter.
I'm aware of there being different criteria for different cultures and races. It reeks to high heaven, yes.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Alright then. :)
All that I'm trying to communicate was that it may be effective if people were to start making videos titled "Who are the Perth Group members?" instead of staying focused on Duesberg.
Google "open letters to peter duesberg" and you might understand me better. You're supposed to find a link to the AIDS-Kritik website. It's a bit exhausting to navigate there but it's not that complex. Try to ignore the german parts...
sadunkal 3 years ago
Congratulations on the mention of your book in Discover. I notice you bring me up in this video but were not sure how long ago I registered positive on the so-called HIV test. Your guess was close but it was actually 1992 which means it's been 16 years (and five months) that I've been living in health (and through some really tough times) with no pharmaceuticals of any kind. Something you may find of interest: my husband and partner since 1996 tests negative despite normal, latex free relations.
DiscoTut 3 years ago 3
DiscoTut: CONGRATULATIONS GIRL! :) Reading your message above was like listening to the sweetest music ever. AWESOME! :)
Love, light, blessings & FREEDOM to REALLY LIVE YOUR LIFE TO THE FULL!
@nnie / Durban
PS: If you send me your email via PM - I'll send you a true story about the EVIL Establishment & drug pushers, which probably won't shock you, but will anger you beyond comprehension.
annie46664 3 years ago
That's a pretty mind-blowing testimonial. And you're not the only case like that.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
CONGRATULATIONS David! WOW! mention of your book by the GREAT Dr. Peter Duesburg! Thank you for helping to expose this awesome
Biologist. The TRUTH definitely needs to surface! I have tried encouraging Oprah & Annie Lennox to meet with Peter, so that they too can become CORRECTLY INFORMED & stop promoting those bogus HIV test$ + lethal MED$ on behalf of the PharMafia - but all to no avail. I believe that if anyone donates massive $ums to any cause, it's their DUTY to research such THOROUGHLY!
annie46664 3 years ago
Thanks, Annie. But good luck getting anything truly controversial on Oprah. I fear she's sold her soul to the Almighty White Soccer Moms.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Oh! My intention was NEVER for either, OPRAH nor ANNIE LENNOX to come out of their closets & publicly admit their mistakes, but rather, going FORWARD, to REFRAIN from INADVERTENTLY donating whatever, whether it be tax-deductable or not, towards further DEATH & DESPAIR, esp. that which most often has a direct & hugely NEGATIVE impact on the LESSER GODS of this world & thus, oft' already paying a heavy price for having already been RAPED repeatedly of their deserved FREEDOM & RIGHT to EQUALITY!
annie46664 3 years ago
When all is truly said and done, I think that no living thing has rights. Live, I fear, is nothing but being constantly at war with everything, from moment to moment.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Olalla David, you definitely need to watch THE SECRET & also read Matthew's 4 books - matthewbooks . com
FEAR is their (the dark forces who've dominated the field WAY TOO LONG) MAIN AIM, POWER & CONTROLLING FORCE ... LIGHT is OURS & it's FREE & readily accessible to ALL, ANYTIME, ANYWHERE - we just have to project it - see it - believe it - eat, sleep, drink it, & so it shall be! :)
Surely you too can smell the SWEET FRAGRANCE of PEACE & FREEDOM in the air - I can & am THRIVING ON IT! :)
annie46664 3 years ago
Unfortunately, Duesberg is wrong. My boy friend quit the pills after reading extensively about his views. He had always taken enormous good care of his health, no drugs, hardly any alcohol, no smoking. Yet after one and a half year he nearly died of PCP-pneumonia. Now he is back on the pills and doing fine.
jackmoncarsz 3 years ago
If you say so.
You are telling the truth, right?
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
jackmoncarsz: I only hope that your partner has had the wisdom & common sense to have at least 3 different tests/opinions from 3 independent specialists, & has watched Gary Null's AIDS INC. DVD on Google carefully, & takes at least 1 of these bogus HIV test$ in the fartherest direction either East or West of where he lives! I guess that would only work if his name isn't on a government data base. If so, go across the border if need be.
Costly yes, but WORTH SAVING HIS LIFE FOR!
Good luck!
annie46664 3 years ago
im sorry for your boyfriend, but from the theoretical perspective, his condition as such cannot serve as a proof for anything but that he suffered from the pcp infection. actually, what should worry us are not the cases which confirm, but the cases that slip out from the theoretical frame. for there is no exception in theory. it is the exception that makes the theory false and not vice verse. its a hard thing to be a productive scientist these days indeed.
tetapehta 3 years ago
tetapehta: PHEW! Such words of sheer WISDOM & KNOWLEDGE! :)
On the other hand, I'm just a lonesome, independent 'activist' some call 'dissident' Mom, 6-7 years venturing down this same BUMPY CUL DU SAC (dead end) - yet I simply REFUSE to give up!
I OWE WAY, WAY MORE TO MY SOUTH AFRICAN & AFRICAN PEOPLE, gays & people of so-called 'colour' globally - of a different skin shade yes! - but so what! We make up the ONLY RACE - THE HUMAN RACE!
If I have the FIGHT IN ME - so be it & so I shall do!
annie46664 3 years ago
THou shalt not think? Try, Thou Shalt not love. And then find a woman to break you heart.
When you have found her then you will understand what motivates these men to commit such evil. They are broken hearts and so they make all humanity pay.
Focoist911 3 years ago
I have a hard time relating to that degree of sheer malice.
It's not that I can't relate to malice, mind you; it's just that I have a hard time just generalizing to that extent.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Sorry, I was drunk and broken hearted last week! lol. Took me one week to get over it.
Focoist911 3 years ago
One week? That's some mad skill.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Well I should be proud of myself then.
Focoist911 3 years ago
Damn straight you should. At least you had no illusions about her; you truly understood her, warts and all. That's the key thing you have to do with anybody, as soon as possible, in order to get over them quickly if they ever leave you... because they always tend to leave because of incompatibility issues.
You could be with someone who is a pretender, and it's crucial to not be fooled into believing that they're this person who's perfect for you, when it's all an act.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Its tempting to share an electron with another to reach that lower entropy of being. But often they run off with it and leave you in a desperate unbalanced state. I'm looking towards the Noble Gases now. ;)
Focoist911 3 years ago
Wow. That was so elegantly put.
I know what you mean, because I was bonded to a highly corrosive oxygen ion for four years. To say I was left drained and destabilized is an understatement.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Well after 4 years the hardest thing is to find your former content studly self again . I don't know if this will speed the 'recovery' by I highly recommend this 5Gb of information found on the torrents:The-Annihilation-Method-by-Style-Seduction-Pickup-Material
It sounds cheesy at a glance, but there are about 500 pdf/audio/video files on there from all perspectives.
This latest sting, I messed it up I guess because of old wounds from a former 4-year relationship.
Focoist911 3 years ago