The introduction in your video says Go Seigen plays as black. Based on the results and the white's style of play, I would say Go seigen played as white.
You should do a video on Go Seigen's famous match against Honinbo Shusai and if you do don't forget to mention how the Japanese cheated on that match.
Honinbo Shusai had the right to adjourn the game whenever he wanted since he played white thus meaning he could go home and study he game anytime he wanted. It was no secret that he studied the game with his students and so Go Seigen had to take on the take on the entire Honinbo establishment.
The game lasted for about three months with Go Seigen responding in two minutes with some moves and Honinbo Shusai taking hours and then stopping the game without making a move. Even after Honinbo Shusai's advantage he only won by two points.
Actually, the 4-4 was commonly used in their time. I guess it is just this particular game (one reason why I uploaded it). Good observation, I think it is just because of their complexity.
@curly1ner Actually, The one who showed the world that 4-4s can be regularly played WAS Go Seigen back then. By the middle of the 20th century, already plenty of other pros were playing it too. Of course, it only reached peak popularity in modern times, but it started being played regularly even back then. And Go Seigen himself employed it even then very often.
Fact-checking department reports: Go Seigen 3 dan (Black) vs. Onoda Chiyotaro 6 dan (White). Date 1929-05-09, 06-01. White wins by 1. Source: GoGod game collection.
Interesting opinion. And yet, the black player, one of the greatest geniuses of this game ever, and almost certainly the greatest player of the 20th century, was able to win by only 1 point as black, and this at a time where games were played with NO komi... besides, white is a strong pro as well. I disagree, white played very interestingly and well
@lance1236451 No. That's even games nowadays. But komi didn't even exist in Go rules back then. That is, the first serious experiments with it started in the first half of the 20th century (1930s). Even games then meant no komi at all, and even when they started experimenting with it, it was around 2 points in the beginning.
In the 1940s it reached a value of around 4.5. But this the game in this video is from 1929 as it appears on the databases I have. So komi was most probably 0
cool! ah.. will repeat hikaru some day
poreofthemachine 1 month ago
hikaru no go music?
Scyeth 4 months ago
I stopped the video when the music became loud, sorry
xul99 8 months ago
One other remark: White (Chiyotaro) wins by 1 point in the actual game, not black.
Go Seigen had a record of 14 wins and 7 losses against Chiyotaro. Quite impressive for Chiyo.
grolich 1 year ago
What program is this game played on??
curly1ner 1 year ago
awesome match
OrandajinDesu 1 year ago
very old joseki
messitup 1 year ago
Stupid hikaru songs... like if there had been no go before hikaru.
JennyFarlopez 2 years ago
is it a bad thing? hikaru has boosted the popularity of go around the world so much.
Yamitoro 2 years ago
The introduction in your video says Go Seigen plays as black. Based on the results and the white's style of play, I would say Go seigen played as white.
tylerumn 2 years ago
Volume control? Lol
hikaruUSA 2 years ago 4
The song is loud and distracting. You should really have used a calmer piece of music for Go.
xuhenryca 2 years ago
I'll admit, some of this is way above my head...
Can anyone shed some light on white's move on the side at 1:42?
I'm confused as to why he didn't attack by playing on the right side, 12th line up. Surely that would have secured him more?
I've always been warned off even preemptive edge moves.... especially when it means sacrificing two stones that could have held a lot of aji...
proof2580 2 years ago
his side move at 1:42 actually saves his two stones by connecting them to his corner group. it is an excellent move.
xxemo1romancexx 2 years ago
3:50 was very clever use of corner
Avionicgenius 2 years ago
Wow this is the first time I've seen a 19x19 game, 19kyu and can only manege on a 9x9 that was realy cool. Thanks.
AshleytheDragon 3 years ago
Move to 19x19 asap. :D Its the real thing and feels much better. :D
OrandajinDesu 3 years ago
the board is the wrong way
akaelsononaz 3 years ago
The board it square.....
jsn21 3 years ago
can you get the match video between Hoshino Masaki, and Tsurumaru Keiichi?
Omaplata41 3 years ago
I can sure try to =D
hikaruUSA 3 years ago
That would be awesome if you could!!
Omaplata41 3 years ago
I wasn't able to find an sgf... =( any others though... Or if you get the sgf that would work =D
hikaruUSA 3 years ago
The sheer complexity of some of the moves baffle me, though I thought Go Seigen would try to influence the centre a bit more.
Bloodlovefreak 3 years ago
Yeah, I love the opening =D
hikaruUSA 3 years ago
You should do a video on Go Seigen's famous match against Honinbo Shusai and if you do don't forget to mention how the Japanese cheated on that match.
Bloodlovefreak 3 years ago
Uh, I will have to read up on that one, I don't want to get yelled at in Japanese =D
hikaruUSA 3 years ago
Honinbo Shusai had the right to adjourn the game whenever he wanted since he played white thus meaning he could go home and study he game anytime he wanted. It was no secret that he studied the game with his students and so Go Seigen had to take on the take on the entire Honinbo establishment.
Bloodlovefreak 3 years ago
The game lasted for about three months with Go Seigen responding in two minutes with some moves and Honinbo Shusai taking hours and then stopping the game without making a move. Even after Honinbo Shusai's advantage he only won by two points.
Bloodlovefreak 3 years ago
@Bloodlovefreak How did the Japanese cheat?
jm0n3y21 1 year ago
Seigen truly brought Chinese dominance back to the game invented in China.
Bloodlovefreak 3 years ago
ya definitely played before the notorious 4-4 opening.
d2sbydt2 3 years ago
Actually, the 4-4 was commonly used in their time. I guess it is just this particular game (one reason why I uploaded it). Good observation, I think it is just because of their complexity.
hikaruUSA 3 years ago
@hikaruUSA No it wasn't! The 4-4 opening didn't become popular until fairly recently in the history of Go!
curly1ner 1 year ago
@curly1ner Actually, The one who showed the world that 4-4s can be regularly played WAS Go Seigen back then. By the middle of the 20th century, already plenty of other pros were playing it too. Of course, it only reached peak popularity in modern times, but it started being played regularly even back then. And Go Seigen himself employed it even then very often.
grolich 1 year ago
Very inspiring game!
aberfitchyguy 4 years ago 2
lol hikaru no go XD ^^
eagleclaww 4 years ago
only the best anime evah! lol
hikaruUSA 4 years ago
Fact-checking department reports: Go Seigen 3 dan (Black) vs. Onoda Chiyotaro 6 dan (White). Date 1929-05-09, 06-01. White wins by 1. Source: GoGod game collection.
vesalaa1 4 years ago 2
Are you sure? If so then I'll change the info
hikaruUSA 4 years ago
That's how I know the game as well: Chiyotaro Vs Seigen, from a number of different places.
grolich 4 years ago
wow, seigen sure gained an advantage in the end game!
ichigosuika 4 years ago
The plaer(white) played really bad!
kenosis7747 4 years ago
Interesting opinion. And yet, the black player, one of the greatest geniuses of this game ever, and almost certainly the greatest player of the 20th century, was able to win by only 1 point as black, and this at a time where games were played with NO komi... besides, white is a strong pro as well. I disagree, white played very interestingly and well
grolich 4 years ago 7
@grolich isnt komi 6.5 even
lance1236451 1 year ago
@lance1236451 No. That's even games nowadays. But komi didn't even exist in Go rules back then. That is, the first serious experiments with it started in the first half of the 20th century (1930s). Even games then meant no komi at all, and even when they started experimenting with it, it was around 2 points in the beginning.
In the 1940s it reached a value of around 4.5. But this the game in this video is from 1929 as it appears on the databases I have. So komi was most probably 0
grolich 1 year ago