@technomafia sorry, but all of science is based on the fact that you believe what you are seeing. that is called faith. imagine you were blind and someone told you what a color is, we know it's real because we've seen it, a blind person just has to take our word for it. could be possible that there are thing that you can't see with your eyes, or ven explain in words if you could? i believe there are. i have faith that there are.
Oh yea rite!!! Where are these people with Stigmata supposed to get these ingredients!!! Seriously!!! It's not fake at all!!! As a believer of Jesus Christ and everything these scientists are bullshit!!!
@technomafia If you follow closely the life of the stigmatized people , they act in a pacific and loving way toward humans and the world. What is the purpose of self-inflicting stigmata? They are not lying. These people are pure in heart , and they seem to have a superior level of understanding of our world. analyze the 2 sides of the coin. Love and Peace should be promoted rather than controversy. Follow the path of Love , and you will be truly happy. Be like a child again ,,humble and pure =)
@technomafia If you follow closely the life of the stigmatized people , they act in a pacific and loving way toward humans and the world. What is the purpose of self-inflicting stigmata? They are not lying. These people are pure in heart , and they seem to have a superior level of understanding of our world. analyze the 2 sides of the coin. Love and Peace should be promoted rather than controversy. Follow the path of Love , and you will be truly happy. Be like a child again ,,humble and pure =)
@technomafia What are you talking about? No offense but science backs up Christianity. There were things said in the Bible long before any scientists ever figured it out, lol. But one thing to remember is that the Bible was not created to be a science textbook, it was created for the redemption of man. Otherwise it would be a lot thicker, and a lot harder to comprehend.
Why the hell would people want to waste all kinds of money on a bunch of scientific chemicals that they wouldn't even know where to begin mixing just to stick all over their skin and fake it? What sense does that make? They have to spend a lot of time trying to figure out what chemicals to use. How do you explain the actual documents showing how the wounds are inflicted completely invisibly? This is bullshit.
listen this isnt the place for religous debate. i for one do believe in god, but not stigmata. if any thing this video should strictly be for magicians like me.
i, for one, do believe in stigmata but not in the way others do. i believe it has to do with religion. the devil may be doing this to lead believers of christ down a wrong path. it relates to catholics worshipping a statue of mary who cries blood. whatever stigmata is, i do not believe its is god's doing.
More and more, everything in the bible is proven fake all the time, either through science or just plain logic. I can't wait for someone to create some Anti-Bible book to disproof everything! It's coming though... just you wait and see!
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I agree! Science is bullshit! Why would a priest like Padre Pio will do such thing that would hurt himself? Science is science! Faith is faith! You dont know how to respect others especially Catholicism... Stupid Science! Get your nose our of our business! Believe what you believe, and we'll believe what we believe, you dont have to destroy others name...
Stigmata is actually the result of a bougainvillea and magnetic iron archaic treatment for lead shrapnel removal and tissue regeneration. Any special forces soldier who was valued as an important asset after being wounded has gone through this, with the long term yet temporary pain and memory loss that comes with it.
When considering stigmata, remember that upon breathing his last Jesus said, "It is finished:" John 19:30
To suppose that Christ the King of Kings and Lord of Lords whose name is above all names would place His sacred wounds upon a corrupt human being is to blaspheme most grievously.
It is also worth noting that the stigmata phenomenon is exclusive to Catholicism which was born out of corrupt manuscripts and the error-filled theology of Constantine who combined Christianity with paganism.
what about the situation where prominent physicians, scientists, physchologist keep on wiping the blood in the forehead, palms and feet of stigmatist myrna nazzour but keeps on oozing with dozens of cameras focused on her and hundreds of eyewitnesses around. does she has the opportunity to apply chemicals on her head, palms and feet and dupe all the people around her? can your scientific research and genius minds explain this phenomena?? isn't it absurd to hear that from you???
yes, search miracle of damascus in youtube and see for yourself. religion has nothing to do with divine works. it is only HIM who could designate somebody to be a medium of HIS wonders. christian and non-christain alike are all creations of God. Religion could not save you and faith is a personalo relationship with God.
i agree...faith is bullshit. Knowledge reigns supreme. Using this example i often times laugh to my self when i think of how an ant would react if it were ever told that the big brown mountain it had climbed over was really a shoe connected to a giant human, or the manna that fell to them from heven were really crumbs. we are like ants compared the vastness of our limitless universe. we're still learning newthings about the human body each day as technology progresses. Prove that GOD doesnt
now as your sitting here and preaching about there is no god bull shit what proof do you have to show he isnt real. how did the universes bang get started?
So, you're saying a simple trick is a less realistic explanation than supernatural divine powers?
His apparent powers of divination cound have been a keen sense of intuition or perhaps a technique called "cold reading", which is used by "psychic mediums" like John Edwards and Sylvia Browne.
philipgeorgek: You forgot his ability to bilocate, speaking to somebody or be seen praying alone, yet in another place healing the sick, in a hospital alone with the patient, or condoling a person over some personal problem, etc, at the same time. Those were documented not by the Catholic Church as it was then skeptical of his stigmata, etc. Remember what Jesus said, blessed are those that believe yet they do not see me.
But consciousness today is still a mystery in mainstream philosophy, and most scientist attribute it to the brain. The problem is that we don't yet have enough research and empircal evidence for the supernatural.
The bottom line: Who gave the saints stigmata? Their own MINDS and will.
IT's been proven that under hypnosis, people can bleed through the nose and physical wounds can clear up. Also, under the placebo affect, peoples disease can cure up, after they think they are cured.
Now take this to the extreme. Someone believes and imagines, everyday, with all their heart, that they are being nailed in the cross...what does the subconscious mind think? The mind is powerful.
I dunno much, but I do know that A.) maya makes a well-phrased point, and B.) these science-dudes are NUTS man! Pouring chemicals on their own arms to test a theory! HA! =P
these guys r pieces of shit. did they even have those chemicals in st.francis' time. and when u combine those chemicals, it creates an odour. padre pio didnt have an odour. research all the skeptical scientists that studied padre pios wounds when he was in isolation.
The only think it proves is that one can fake having the stigmata - and that's certainly been done. What it doesn't prove is that Padre Pio faked his stigmata.
you have to look the world through a christian glass and not with you own eyes or rationality.. i guess you lack the last one
read the god delusion, read the bible, read about ancient mitology.. youll find that is all crap.. but you dont want to find out right?... you dont want to read.. christians are too lazy to open a book, they prefer to argue, fight, insult and murder for their invisible friend
good job.fairy tales,dragons and fake stigmatas go home.stop scarying people with devil,hell and rest of your stupid stories.people have their own problems and dont need your crap tricks.
Was there even a point to this video??!!I can see their point that stigmatas can be "created" but this doesn't disprove Padre Pio or any Saint who has had the stigmata. As you heard, the Church has found people doing it themselves. But they CAUGHT them and they are not even acknowledged by the Church. Padre Pio went to many doctors by the way ....
you think your such a know it all its obvious that unicorns and leprechauns are fantasy crap are fake religion on the other hand are beliefs a theory that was never experimented to prove false cant be right or wrong how can a mind like yours even be instrested about this subject if you know its all bull shit
theres nothing more to know once you know how its done basically watching these videos is your waste of time im very instrested in science and im quite the spiritual person i belive that theres more to stigmata then just simple tricks think outside the box question your mind and find the answers yourself book are only ref
Very informative & interesting scientifically. As for Padre Pio,i hv doubts that his was fabricated. Reason being,1)He holds the rosary all day,if there was any chemicals, it would rub-off at some time.2)He spends almost all day busy with confession, masses, prayer,how does he find time to fill chemicals? 3) Doctors have inspected his wounds numerous times & can't explain why there's no infection. Lastly, he's bled for 50yrs, if its false,someone will hv seen it dissapear.
V4U,that's true,but based on this video,wouldn't d chemicals/blood be abosorbed by the gloves & thus fade off? It aslo doesn't explain d other 3 pts i mention. The pt is if one is to make a suggestion or give an impression that his wounds was fabricated,(as this video), then pls provide unrefutable evidence/proof to support this. Otherwise, indirectly, its suggesting that Padr Pio fabricated his wounds,which in my view are very serious allegations you're making on another person.
Please don't take me wrong, I'm not making any allegations to any one.
It was just point which the others forgot to mention and I just reminded.
Maybe he was a holy person...
But you should atlest believe in BIBLE where it says that only ONE more Prophet is gonna come. And if this kinda STRANGE thing is happening... then would you consider himto be the prophet or something ??
U brought up a relevent pt (gloves) & i was referring more 2d VD on d allegations. Its one thing to create an informative vd,its another when they cross reference it 2 someone & tarnish d reputation without any solid proof. Egg, jst imagine if ppl were to create a video of someone u respected & portray him as a liar, cheat & fraud without any solid evidence, wouldn't u take offence? Its similar here.
This VD wld hv been excellent for knowledge if it was done wihout hving to cross-reference 2 anyone in particular esp when it has nothing 2 prove other than allegations. Indeed, in d past, there may be ppl who hv faked their stigmatas, expose them if u wish (with solid proof)as they might give a bad name to the genuine ones.
Unitl then, there is really nothing here (Video) to suggest that Padre Pio wounds are faked other than to tarnish his reputation!
Padre Pio was another liar, who just desired fame. His body is now exposed and everyone can see that but nobody can touch that. I'd examine his cadaver for months and examine his stigmata, which are absolutely fake and everybody would prove that, if only they'd let people examine the body
get it? The pain is all a mental thing, and wounds can be "mentally inflicted too"...or they use chemicals...or they experience trance or deep prayer and meditation and inflict their wounds but when they "wake up" they don't remember anything and dont know what they did and thin it's "supernatural".
So, here we are. Christians are liars and Jesus was the leader of liars, plus he just suffered from delusions of grandeur, a.k.a. MEGALOMANIA, claiming he was the son of God. He was just not sane
Wake up, Christian pussies. You big liars. You may ask why do stigmatics feel a unbearable pain?
Here is the explanation: they somehow get into a state of ecstasy, of trance, and have visions of being nailed like Jesus (that crazy bastard). Now, it's like they're dreaming..what happens while dreaming? You're convinced it's all real, so if you get dreams of bein nailed you can really feel the pain.
It happened to me and that damn hurt, poor foot. I dreamed of something being driven through foot
Padre Pio, it is now revealed, ordered carbolic acid in secret - the chemical creates the same results. It seems that fervently religious people believe that a "pious" lie will lead more to God. However, there is no justification for this as Jesus is the Saviour. Personally, I do not believe that God would inflict this type of suffering on a person particularly as Jesus stated on the cross that "it is accomplished". His mission was finished and complete.
Rubbish, The church is filled with academics who spend their lives searching for the truth. Why would they believe this lie. Also it has never been revealed that St. Pio ordered chemicals to create the same results. How dare you say so. He had no money to begin with and there were also numerous test carried out by atheists to disprove this Stigmata but nothing was ever proven. I am sorry Utopianq but you are talking out of your rear. Please don't comment if you are going to lie.
JesusandMaryILoveU - your aggressive fevour demonstrates precisely the problem with the frenzy around these people. I am a faithful non-denomination Christian and I do not believe that Jesus inflicts his wounds on others. It is deeply arrogant to assume that anyone is pious or perfect enough to bear his wounds. The Son of God was divinely created whilst Padre Pio was merely a man. Why not prayer about it and allow our Father (God, not Padre Pio) the opportunity to answer your query directly?
Utopiang - I'm sorry my friend but you are incorrect. The Roman Catholic Church was the Church started by Christ and the Pope has authority over it, authority handed down through the centuries which was first given to St. Peter. If the Pope Canonises a certain Holy soul he does so after praying and Our Father tells him directly what should be done. U say u are a non-denominational Christian, and i'm sorry to say so but that is heresy. I was once in that category but changed my ways.
I am an ex-Catholic who I studied the errors in the religion. The CC makes high claims indeed but is no longer the one true church begun by Jesus. The true church that Jesus refers to consists of those who live wholly by God's Word, who believe in Jesus being the Son of God, in his perfect sacrifice, resurrection and ultimate position in heaven. The Catholic church is heretical - there are volumes of texts about the liars, scoundrels and crooked Popes who modified the texts. Enlighten yourself.
JesusandMaryILoveU - there is a 7 part documentary on YouTube entitled "The Amazing Heresies of Benedict XVI". It is an illuminating study of the heresies imposed on the Catholic Church by at least one of its popes, Benedict XVI. It is not hysterical or unjustly critical, it is based, in large part, on Benedict XVI's own writings and speeches. You may not agree with the findings but at the very least, it will give you insight into Joseph Ratzinger, the man. God bless you.
JesusandMaryILoveU - there is a 7 part documentary on YouTube entitled "The Amazing Heresies of Benedict XVI". It is an illuminating study of the heresies imposed on the Catholic Church by at least one of its popes, Benedict XVI. It is not hysterical or unjustly critical, it is based, in large part, on Benedict XVI's own writings and speeches. You may not agree with the findings but at the very least, it will give you insight into Joseph Ratzinger, the man. God bless you.
Utopiang, What you believe or what you see on youtube backing your claims or the books you believe are correct all make no difference. You can't change the truth and your constant bombardment of the Holy Roman Catholic Church shows you are uncomfortable. If you wish to worship in heretical ways there is nothing i can do. You worship God in your way and we in the Catholic Church will worship Our Lord in the way that he wants. Look at John 21:25, all those other things are Catholic Tradition
JesusandMaryILoveU, I am sorry that you feel that I am bombarding the Catholic Church and, you are quite right, one cannot change the truth about its practices. Am I uncomfortable with its teachings? Very much so, with good reason. May I also say that before you take the speck out of my eye, you take the plank out of your own: the music you have favourited says a great deal about your spiritual position and it is not one that is condusive with your strong convictions or that of the RC Church.
Utopiang, I see you have jumped to conclusions. My Youtube account is on continuously and there are several people that use it. I did not click favourites on any of them. Miss reading the situation and jumping to the first conclusion like you just did could be the reason you do not have a good understanding of the Catholic Church or its teachings.
It seems that our discussion has become rather protracted, JesusandMaryILoveU, so it is with these words that I leave you. Then Jesus said, "I have come into this world to judge: blind people will be given sight, and those who can see will become blind." May God bless you and keep you always. Utopiang
You're BOTH fxcked, =P I'm pretty sure this Jesus cat would'a took a speck outta your eye, plank notwithstanding (and I mean, c'mon-- a PLANK? this is the best the metaphor could be translated? Borderline-retard Shop-Class accidents?). The second Utopiang & J&MahLuvsYa can stop splitting carpentry, you might just find that these rules of enragement you're so fond of are stickin' canoes in alla y'alls' pupils...
There's always the unbelievers, like these. I'd like to hear them explain away how the opened wounds of St. Padre Pio would heal in a matter of a day or two, with no signs of infection, blisters or scabs. That is just one sign he and others like him were Authentic!
mediator4u, the use of chemicals doesnt leave any trace and scars, and that would explain everything, while wounds with scars were really there, but they were somehow self-inflicted...the person could see what he's doing, but he also couldn't see, and that happens when you're in a state of trance or religious ecstasy.
Gotic...I dont know anything about chemicals right now but the second method shows how to create very realistic marks on your skin...he talks about an amount of solution called sodium or potassium hydroxide, also knowns as caustic soda, that makes the marks, the fake wounds
It has nothing to do with whether I want them to or not. In fact, personally I couldn't care less. It has to do with the fact that theres no evidence supporting any of what you're saying. Meanwhile D3adFox is sitting there saying "to tired to explain" but he HASN'T explained anything. As for doing research I HAVE, clearly far more so than any of you. There is no concrete evidence at all...."ghost are dead ppl's spirit who stay behind, b/c they have unfinish bussiness" You watch too many movies!
Possibilty yes, Evidence for them NO.... labeling myself with a closed mind is subjective. Many would witness this discussion and think that you are the one thats close-minded. People who stick to what they think regardless of good arguments made against their points of view are generally the ones who are considered "close-minded". As for my mind being simple, well... let's just say that you making that statement is a blatant display of how little you know me.
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i don't know why people think jesus was the son of god, he was just a magician who had the ability to fool people, and was crazy too, he wanted so badly that people believed he was the son of god that he had to acomplish it by dying......what a pussy!!
There isn't a single religion based on anything less than trickery and/or the manipulation of others. Christianity is the wost of them all, for it has been beaten into society so hard that it has replaced truth.
I have no religion but the whole stigmata thing is quite fascinating for me..Let's say that all the people in this video can be liars 'cause of easy way how to make a wound. But what about Theresa Newmann's bleeding? Or someone else who really bleeds, not just have the skratches or crusts..? I though that diviners can tell if the wound is made by piercing or some chemical or something else - there have to be a way how to find it...this is such a interesting subject!
i'm a christian and i can't believe that people who actually do that upon them selves its quite sad that they do that just to feel as if they are connected but I find that really sad that you have to do that to yourself
im also christian and i believe they are jelous that jesus died for somthing not like doing that stuff just to make them feel happy .....they should have gone thu what jesus went and see who it feels
Yeah like padre Pio had access to this chemicals lol
bob47able 2 months ago
Can anyone tell me what 2 chemicals he said in the 1st experiment? where he rubs the chemicals on his palms
ThisNamelsWitty 9 months ago
@ThisNamelsWitty iron chloride & potassium something.. I couldnt hear the second word
JanessaAppleSauce 9 months ago
@technomafia sorry, but all of science is based on the fact that you believe what you are seeing. that is called faith. imagine you were blind and someone told you what a color is, we know it's real because we've seen it, a blind person just has to take our word for it. could be possible that there are thing that you can't see with your eyes, or ven explain in words if you could? i believe there are. i have faith that there are.
rwherndon 9 months ago
Oh yea rite!!! Where are these people with Stigmata supposed to get these ingredients!!! Seriously!!! It's not fake at all!!! As a believer of Jesus Christ and everything these scientists are bullshit!!!
chrissyspoor21 10 months ago
@chrissyspoor21 That's right! We all know that only scientists can learn chemistry.
ebrak47 4 months ago
@ebrak47 yup...
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@technomafia If you follow closely the life of the stigmatized people , they act in a pacific and loving way toward humans and the world. What is the purpose of self-inflicting stigmata? They are not lying. These people are pure in heart , and they seem to have a superior level of understanding of our world. analyze the 2 sides of the coin. Love and Peace should be promoted rather than controversy. Follow the path of Love , and you will be truly happy. Be like a child again ,,humble and pure =)
jheysonjheyson 1 year ago
@technomafia If you follow closely the life of the stigmatized people , they act in a pacific and loving way toward humans and the world. What is the purpose of self-inflicting stigmata? They are not lying. These people are pure in heart , and they seem to have a superior level of understanding of our world. analyze the 2 sides of the coin. Love and Peace should be promoted rather than controversy. Follow the path of Love , and you will be truly happy. Be like a child again ,,humble and pure =)
jheysonjheyson 1 year ago
@technomafia What are you talking about? No offense but science backs up Christianity. There were things said in the Bible long before any scientists ever figured it out, lol. But one thing to remember is that the Bible was not created to be a science textbook, it was created for the redemption of man. Otherwise it would be a lot thicker, and a lot harder to comprehend.
theamazingtaddy 1 year ago 2
absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
just because there's a lack of evidence doesn't mean something doesn't exist.
thousandthys 1 year ago
if these two people are saying that stigmata is not real then im saying that it is i know someone who had one so f**k this
draconas59k 1 year ago
Why the hell would people want to waste all kinds of money on a bunch of scientific chemicals that they wouldn't even know where to begin mixing just to stick all over their skin and fake it? What sense does that make? They have to spend a lot of time trying to figure out what chemicals to use. How do you explain the actual documents showing how the wounds are inflicted completely invisibly? This is bullshit.
HawksEye1983 1 year ago
listen this isnt the place for religous debate. i for one do believe in god, but not stigmata. if any thing this video should strictly be for magicians like me.
DrCheesewizard 1 year ago
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Diaddy28 2 years ago
I am so sorry for you.
AdamLambertsdramatic 1 year ago
Huzzah!
tnervin 1 year ago
The last woman in this video look so fake.
And the believers donate money to this people.
So Stigmata is a business.
What I hate about it is that is messes with people's faith.
mercurio0000 2 years ago 2
i, for one, do believe in stigmata but not in the way others do. i believe it has to do with religion. the devil may be doing this to lead believers of christ down a wrong path. it relates to catholics worshipping a statue of mary who cries blood. whatever stigmata is, i do not believe its is god's doing.
midpen91 2 years ago
You are equally against reason regardless which non existent being you think does this.
cheeky57 2 years ago
i'm Christian and personally i don't really buy this whole stigmata crap in the first place.
They say stigmata is a sign of Christ but in an actual crucifixion the nail is nailed between the two bones of the wrist.
Believing in Christ is by faith, everything else like this is religion.
TakashiKashikura 2 years ago
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KadruH 2 years ago
well said. Stigmata doesn't relate to christianity, it is more or less an imitiation of christ. That isn't right
theamazingtaddy 2 years ago
More and more, everything in the bible is proven fake all the time, either through science or just plain logic. I can't wait for someone to create some Anti-Bible book to disproof everything! It's coming though... just you wait and see!
sylvur 2 years ago
cant make out what the two chemicals are got the first 1 iron cloride what was 2nd,
MrCol74 2 years ago
potassium iocinide ?
LIVEETERNALLOVE 2 years ago
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I agree! Science is bullshit! Why would a priest like Padre Pio will do such thing that would hurt himself? Science is science! Faith is faith! You dont know how to respect others especially Catholicism... Stupid Science! Get your nose our of our business! Believe what you believe, and we'll believe what we believe, you dont have to destroy others name...
cathan07 2 years ago
Stigmata is actually the result of a bougainvillea and magnetic iron archaic treatment for lead shrapnel removal and tissue regeneration. Any special forces soldier who was valued as an important asset after being wounded has gone through this, with the long term yet temporary pain and memory loss that comes with it.
TheAdamwalsh 2 years ago
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bullshit
wmakles 2 years ago
Science FTW!
heartless33 2 years ago 4
wow, but what quimics are used?
1325194 2 years ago
holly shit what hapened to the fat guy did he shoot himself with a shotgun or something? who is he?.
petelebu 2 years ago
Awesome
renzpaulo14 2 years ago
i thought this was gonna be a magic trick not some religious thing
BlueMuffins14 2 years ago
When considering stigmata, remember that upon breathing his last Jesus said, "It is finished:" John 19:30
To suppose that Christ the King of Kings and Lord of Lords whose name is above all names would place His sacred wounds upon a corrupt human being is to blaspheme most grievously.
It is also worth noting that the stigmata phenomenon is exclusive to Catholicism which was born out of corrupt manuscripts and the error-filled theology of Constantine who combined Christianity with paganism.
Utopiang 2 years ago
religions go to ridiculious extents to fool themselves and others
chicoice321 2 years ago
what about the situation where prominent physicians, scientists, physchologist keep on wiping the blood in the forehead, palms and feet of stigmatist myrna nazzour but keeps on oozing with dozens of cameras focused on her and hundreds of eyewitnesses around. does she has the opportunity to apply chemicals on her head, palms and feet and dupe all the people around her? can your scientific research and genius minds explain this phenomena?? isn't it absurd to hear that from you???
choybal 2 years ago
do u have a link to that?
berrysweetx3 2 years ago
yes, search miracle of damascus in youtube and see for yourself. religion has nothing to do with divine works. it is only HIM who could designate somebody to be a medium of HIS wonders. christian and non-christain alike are all creations of God. Religion could not save you and faith is a personalo relationship with God.
choybal 2 years ago
There is no god.
If you believe in ghosty shit like that you're delusional.
KenisonMagic 2 years ago
Because of a few charlatans? The chatholic church as well as all man made religions are bullsit. Religin is man-made. But God is alive
ronmatthews 2 years ago
Prove it.
Faith is bullshit.
KenisonMagic 2 years ago
i agree...faith is bullshit. Knowledge reigns supreme. Using this example i often times laugh to my self when i think of how an ant would react if it were ever told that the big brown mountain it had climbed over was really a shoe connected to a giant human, or the manna that fell to them from heven were really crumbs. we are like ants compared the vastness of our limitless universe. we're still learning newthings about the human body each day as technology progresses. Prove that GOD doesnt
ronmatthews 2 years ago
now as your sitting here and preaching about there is no god bull shit what proof do you have to show he isnt real. how did the universes bang get started?
weaselodoomsday 2 years ago
i think you should read all the comments my friend. I DO believe in GOD very much so.
ronmatthews 2 years ago 2
By a cumulus of energy and cosmic components that suddenly couldn't stand it anymore and just went bang! ;)
insertsmartusername 2 years ago
Ahhh so true~
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choybal 2 years ago
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Do u mean to say Padre Pio and such saints had taken iron chloride always with them? come on be rational!!!
Then tell me the reason how Padre Pio could tell your past sins during confession? was he psychiartist then? Even psychiartists cant do that!!!
I truely see the hands of god behind all this.
philipgeorgek 2 years ago
So, you're saying a simple trick is a less realistic explanation than supernatural divine powers?
His apparent powers of divination cound have been a keen sense of intuition or perhaps a technique called "cold reading", which is used by "psychic mediums" like John Edwards and Sylvia Browne.
encliticcopula 2 years ago 3
philipgeorgek: You forgot his ability to bilocate, speaking to somebody or be seen praying alone, yet in another place healing the sick, in a hospital alone with the patient, or condoling a person over some personal problem, etc, at the same time. Those were documented not by the Catholic Church as it was then skeptical of his stigmata, etc. Remember what Jesus said, blessed are those that believe yet they do not see me.
syzygy58 2 years ago
But consciousness today is still a mystery in mainstream philosophy, and most scientist attribute it to the brain. The problem is that we don't yet have enough research and empircal evidence for the supernatural.
The bottom line: Who gave the saints stigmata? Their own MINDS and will.
mayaclay 3 years ago
IT's been proven that under hypnosis, people can bleed through the nose and physical wounds can clear up. Also, under the placebo affect, peoples disease can cure up, after they think they are cured.
Now take this to the extreme. Someone believes and imagines, everyday, with all their heart, that they are being nailed in the cross...what does the subconscious mind think? The mind is powerful.
mayaclay 3 years ago
I dunno much, but I do know that A.) maya makes a well-phrased point, and B.) these science-dudes are NUTS man! Pouring chemicals on their own arms to test a theory! HA! =P
lesidhe 2 years ago
ok for those who asked about the first 2 chemicals they are as follows
chemical 1: iron chloride
chemical 2: Potassium ferrocyanide
i do not know where to find these chemicals but i will do some research and try to find out
suzpekt187 3 years ago
the second one. can you wash it off or it has to heal o it's own?
cloudhatake 3 years ago
may i just ask what is the chemical put in palms and in the part where they put a cross in there skin please help me....
icelander44 3 years ago
may i just ask what is the name of the chemicals in the skin or at that part of the croos thingy and in the palms please help.
icelander44 3 years ago
What now, the scientist Padre Pio ?!!
What did he get in his life from the stigmata but persecution , shame and doubt, not to mention the pain.
Does he inflict humiliation, shame and persecution on himself for 50 years ?
If Christ still persecuted, no wonder why Padre Pio is still persecuted as well.
comali2212 3 years ago
where can i get these chemicals?
jassi4010709 3 years ago
the clear chemicals for each hand i mean.
jassi4010709 3 years ago
honestly, we will NEVER know if padre pio faked it or not since he's dead...
RedCherryScorpion 3 years ago
these guys r pieces of shit. did they even have those chemicals in st.francis' time. and when u combine those chemicals, it creates an odour. padre pio didnt have an odour. research all the skeptical scientists that studied padre pios wounds when he was in isolation.
tonygmilan7 3 years ago
"...inflicted the wounds on themselves" how could you be so sure?
theseventhsociety 3 years ago
You cant be absolutely sure, but it is way more likely that then that the wounds were really from a god.
ajtaggs 3 years ago
True enough, ajtaggs. If you are so kind, can you tell me your religion?
theseventhsociety 3 years ago
"the plurality of gods is a proof there is none..."
The pluraluty of jackasses is proof you are one.
citizenfitz 3 years ago
"Science disproves everything that religion has to offer."
Prove that!
citizenfitz 3 years ago 2
All this disproved is that Padre Pio didnt have stigmata, and that stigmata is crazy!
millardoo 3 years ago
The only think it proves is that one can fake having the stigmata - and that's certainly been done. What it doesn't prove is that Padre Pio faked his stigmata.
citizenfitz 3 years ago 2
you want so much to believe
that you wont heard the facts
im so sorry
you have to look the world through a christian glass and not with you own eyes or rationality.. i guess you lack the last one
read the god delusion, read the bible, read about ancient mitology.. youll find that is all crap.. but you dont want to find out right?... you dont want to read.. christians are too lazy to open a book, they prefer to argue, fight, insult and murder for their invisible friend
moonmaniac666 3 years ago 2
Wats stigmata??
LilytheHedgehog1 3 years ago
Its something that Jenova gives to her children so she can tell them from the weakling earth dwellers.
ajtaggs 3 years ago
Just a bunch of tards nailing stakes through their hands claiming that they're feeling what "Jesus" felt.
What a load of donkey shit. Complete donkey shit.
Get a life, and stop worshiping a magical invisible fairy man that you call god. It's pathetic, really.
Science disproves everything that religion has to offer.
lordofslipknot 3 years ago
...you can have your views but over 90% of the world worships someform over greater power. looks like your the crazy ass hole now
edweveedd 3 years ago
90% of the world worships an invisible pixie man who watches everything you do at every single second of the day. Dumbass, lol.
lordofslipknot 3 years ago
But if you split that 90% into all the different beliefs, You'll see that a majority of the world has to be wrong.
Popularity isn't evidence, not to long ago most of the world believed the Earth was flat.
ajtaggs 3 years ago 2
stigmata symptoms can include whip several lashes continuous bleeding wounds that pierce through the body water coming out of your lungs
bleeding forehead crying blood and more!
hoboemperor 3 years ago
Impressive, would have liked to seen chemical names displayed on screen
jmagic007x 3 years ago
Quod erat demonstrandum!
Alessio19081991 3 years ago
good job.fairy tales,dragons and fake stigmatas go home.stop scarying people with devil,hell and rest of your stupid stories.people have their own problems and dont need your crap tricks.
reevoreev 3 years ago
where can i find that stuff
59joeys 3 years ago
i think the second one was potassium biocide
Slaryz 3 years ago
Did anyone ever figure out what he was saying the two chemicals wer?
jmagic007x 3 years ago
what did he say you put on your hands
59joeys 3 years ago
Was there even a point to this video??!!I can see their point that stigmatas can be "created" but this doesn't disprove Padre Pio or any Saint who has had the stigmata. As you heard, the Church has found people doing it themselves. But they CAUGHT them and they are not even acknowledged by the Church. Padre Pio went to many doctors by the way ....
...You can't prove a negative, basic philosophy
Jbart001 3 years ago
then in your universe there is a chance for unicorns and leprechauns just because there is no proof they dont exist right?
thats absurd
why if there is an easy explanation you decide to go with the fantastical one?
moonmaniac666 3 years ago
can things always be explains? these things are beyond human mind and knowledge
if you want to find out hows its really done i would recommend you to devote your life to god and maybe hell give you that same gift
hoboemperor 3 years ago
no.. these things are beyond YOUR MIND AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE because you chose to follow a fantastical tale.
i recommend you read some science books, read about evolution, read the bible in a skeptic way, read about many other religions
the plurality of gods is a proof there is none
moonmaniac666 3 years ago
you think your such a know it all its obvious that unicorns and leprechauns are fantasy crap are fake religion on the other hand are beliefs a theory that was never experimented to prove false cant be right or wrong how can a mind like yours even be instrested about this subject if you know its all bull shit
hoboemperor 3 years ago
theres nothing more to know once you know how its done basically watching these videos is your waste of time im very instrested in science and im quite the spiritual person i belive that theres more to stigmata then just simple tricks think outside the box question your mind and find the answers yourself book are only ref
hoboemperor 3 years ago
uh?
what the hell did you mumble bumble about?
you dont even make sense.. THINK.. THINK
sometimes i cant see the difference between a religious guy and a schizophrenic
moonmaniac666 3 years ago
religion... religion... religion...
ist all political from the start..
selfishmonkey 3 years ago
Very informative & interesting scientifically. As for Padre Pio,i hv doubts that his was fabricated. Reason being,1)He holds the rosary all day,if there was any chemicals, it would rub-off at some time.2)He spends almost all day busy with confession, masses, prayer,how does he find time to fill chemicals? 3) Doctors have inspected his wounds numerous times & can't explain why there's no infection. Lastly, he's bled for 50yrs, if its false,someone will hv seen it dissapear.
veritinox 3 years ago
I guess.. the other times he wore gloves ??
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
vibration4u 3 years ago
V4U,that's true,but based on this video,wouldn't d chemicals/blood be abosorbed by the gloves & thus fade off? It aslo doesn't explain d other 3 pts i mention. The pt is if one is to make a suggestion or give an impression that his wounds was fabricated,(as this video), then pls provide unrefutable evidence/proof to support this. Otherwise, indirectly, its suggesting that Padr Pio fabricated his wounds,which in my view are very serious allegations you're making on another person.
veritinox 3 years ago
Brother...
Please don't take me wrong, I'm not making any allegations to any one.
It was just point which the others forgot to mention and I just reminded.
Maybe he was a holy person...
But you should atlest believe in BIBLE where it says that only ONE more Prophet is gonna come. And if this kinda STRANGE thing is happening... then would you consider himto be the prophet or something ??
Although I don' have the answer for this even.
vibration4u 3 years ago
U brought up a relevent pt (gloves) & i was referring more 2d VD on d allegations. Its one thing to create an informative vd,its another when they cross reference it 2 someone & tarnish d reputation without any solid proof. Egg, jst imagine if ppl were to create a video of someone u respected & portray him as a liar, cheat & fraud without any solid evidence, wouldn't u take offence? Its similar here.
veritinox 3 years ago
But anyway... Don't take me wrong.
I've all my respect for Padr Pio irrespective of what is true & what is false.
Reply soon so that I know that you ain't ANGRY at me or something... !!
vibration4u 3 years ago
This VD wld hv been excellent for knowledge if it was done wihout hving to cross-reference 2 anyone in particular esp when it has nothing 2 prove other than allegations. Indeed, in d past, there may be ppl who hv faked their stigmatas, expose them if u wish (with solid proof)as they might give a bad name to the genuine ones.
Unitl then, there is really nothing here (Video) to suggest that Padre Pio wounds are faked other than to tarnish his reputation!
veritinox 3 years ago
Padre Pio was another liar, who just desired fame. His body is now exposed and everyone can see that but nobody can touch that. I'd examine his cadaver for months and examine his stigmata, which are absolutely fake and everybody would prove that, if only they'd let people examine the body
thebutcherfromhell 3 years ago
get it? The pain is all a mental thing, and wounds can be "mentally inflicted too"...or they use chemicals...or they experience trance or deep prayer and meditation and inflict their wounds but when they "wake up" they don't remember anything and dont know what they did and thin it's "supernatural".
So, here we are. Christians are liars and Jesus was the leader of liars, plus he just suffered from delusions of grandeur, a.k.a. MEGALOMANIA, claiming he was the son of God. He was just not sane
thebutcherfromhell 3 years ago
Wake up, Christian pussies. You big liars. You may ask why do stigmatics feel a unbearable pain?
Here is the explanation: they somehow get into a state of ecstasy, of trance, and have visions of being nailed like Jesus (that crazy bastard). Now, it's like they're dreaming..what happens while dreaming? You're convinced it's all real, so if you get dreams of bein nailed you can really feel the pain.
It happened to me and that damn hurt, poor foot. I dreamed of something being driven through foot
thebutcherfromhell 3 years ago
Dear if someone is doing mischeif in a community you can't blame whole of Christianity for it.
Although I'm not among them..
I'm Muslim whom they might hate from inside
but this isn't tolerable.
Coz they're the followers of sacred Prophet Jesus.
vibration4u 3 years ago
thank you kind sir i support your words
hoboemperor 3 years ago
can i take that mark out? or is it permenet?
dynage 3 years ago
Did they have this in Padre Pio's time? No...plus you can see right through his hands.
GuitarRHCPfan 3 years ago 3
Padre Pio, it is now revealed, ordered carbolic acid in secret - the chemical creates the same results. It seems that fervently religious people believe that a "pious" lie will lead more to God. However, there is no justification for this as Jesus is the Saviour. Personally, I do not believe that God would inflict this type of suffering on a person particularly as Jesus stated on the cross that "it is accomplished". His mission was finished and complete.
Utopiang 3 years ago
Rubbish, The church is filled with academics who spend their lives searching for the truth. Why would they believe this lie. Also it has never been revealed that St. Pio ordered chemicals to create the same results. How dare you say so. He had no money to begin with and there were also numerous test carried out by atheists to disprove this Stigmata but nothing was ever proven. I am sorry Utopianq but you are talking out of your rear. Please don't comment if you are going to lie.
JesusandMaryILoveU 3 years ago
JesusandMaryILoveU - your aggressive fevour demonstrates precisely the problem with the frenzy around these people. I am a faithful non-denomination Christian and I do not believe that Jesus inflicts his wounds on others. It is deeply arrogant to assume that anyone is pious or perfect enough to bear his wounds. The Son of God was divinely created whilst Padre Pio was merely a man. Why not prayer about it and allow our Father (God, not Padre Pio) the opportunity to answer your query directly?
Utopiang 3 years ago
Utopiang - I'm sorry my friend but you are incorrect. The Roman Catholic Church was the Church started by Christ and the Pope has authority over it, authority handed down through the centuries which was first given to St. Peter. If the Pope Canonises a certain Holy soul he does so after praying and Our Father tells him directly what should be done. U say u are a non-denominational Christian, and i'm sorry to say so but that is heresy. I was once in that category but changed my ways.
JesusandMaryILoveU 3 years ago
I am an ex-Catholic who I studied the errors in the religion. The CC makes high claims indeed but is no longer the one true church begun by Jesus. The true church that Jesus refers to consists of those who live wholly by God's Word, who believe in Jesus being the Son of God, in his perfect sacrifice, resurrection and ultimate position in heaven. The Catholic church is heretical - there are volumes of texts about the liars, scoundrels and crooked Popes who modified the texts. Enlighten yourself.
Utopiang 3 years ago
JesusandMaryILoveU - there is a 7 part documentary on YouTube entitled "The Amazing Heresies of Benedict XVI". It is an illuminating study of the heresies imposed on the Catholic Church by at least one of its popes, Benedict XVI. It is not hysterical or unjustly critical, it is based, in large part, on Benedict XVI's own writings and speeches. You may not agree with the findings but at the very least, it will give you insight into Joseph Ratzinger, the man. God bless you.
Utopiang 3 years ago
JesusandMaryILoveU - there is a 7 part documentary on YouTube entitled "The Amazing Heresies of Benedict XVI". It is an illuminating study of the heresies imposed on the Catholic Church by at least one of its popes, Benedict XVI. It is not hysterical or unjustly critical, it is based, in large part, on Benedict XVI's own writings and speeches. You may not agree with the findings but at the very least, it will give you insight into Joseph Ratzinger, the man. God bless you.
Utopiang 3 years ago
Utopiang, What you believe or what you see on youtube backing your claims or the books you believe are correct all make no difference. You can't change the truth and your constant bombardment of the Holy Roman Catholic Church shows you are uncomfortable. If you wish to worship in heretical ways there is nothing i can do. You worship God in your way and we in the Catholic Church will worship Our Lord in the way that he wants. Look at John 21:25, all those other things are Catholic Tradition
JesusandMaryILoveU 3 years ago
JesusandMaryILoveU, I am sorry that you feel that I am bombarding the Catholic Church and, you are quite right, one cannot change the truth about its practices. Am I uncomfortable with its teachings? Very much so, with good reason. May I also say that before you take the speck out of my eye, you take the plank out of your own: the music you have favourited says a great deal about your spiritual position and it is not one that is condusive with your strong convictions or that of the RC Church.
Utopiang 3 years ago
Utopiang, I see you have jumped to conclusions. My Youtube account is on continuously and there are several people that use it. I did not click favourites on any of them. Miss reading the situation and jumping to the first conclusion like you just did could be the reason you do not have a good understanding of the Catholic Church or its teachings.
JesusandMaryILoveU 3 years ago
It seems that our discussion has become rather protracted, JesusandMaryILoveU, so it is with these words that I leave you. Then Jesus said, "I have come into this world to judge: blind people will be given sight, and those who can see will become blind." May God bless you and keep you always. Utopiang
Utopiang 3 years ago
You're BOTH fxcked, =P I'm pretty sure this Jesus cat would'a took a speck outta your eye, plank notwithstanding (and I mean, c'mon-- a PLANK? this is the best the metaphor could be translated? Borderline-retard Shop-Class accidents?). The second Utopiang & J&MahLuvsYa can stop splitting carpentry, you might just find that these rules of enragement you're so fond of are stickin' canoes in alla y'alls' pupils...
lesidhe 2 years ago
dont see it as suffering see it more as a gift
hoboemperor 3 years ago
yeah like those priests had any way of getting those kinda chemicals.... whatever
Butterflylove1977 3 years ago
where I cane buy those chemicals??
Hampsson 3 years ago
What are the cemicals? I can't hear them because of their accent.
magicnaughty 3 years ago
what are the chemicals you ues on the first one I cant here good
lannnx13 4 years ago
how do you spell the Chemicals for the first one, its like Iron Chloride and Potasuimfoisynide?
luckiblades 4 years ago
There's always the unbelievers, like these. I'd like to hear them explain away how the opened wounds of St. Padre Pio would heal in a matter of a day or two, with no signs of infection, blisters or scabs. That is just one sign he and others like him were Authentic!
mediator4u 4 years ago 3
mediator4u, the use of chemicals doesnt leave any trace and scars, and that would explain everything, while wounds with scars were really there, but they were somehow self-inflicted...the person could see what he's doing, but he also couldn't see, and that happens when you're in a state of trance or religious ecstasy.
And bigots to the lions
thebutcherfromhell 3 years ago
I have a request. I'm not good in English. Can you tell me about second method? Please, because I can't hear which is used in this method.
GoticGirl15 4 years ago
Gotic...I dont know anything about chemicals right now but the second method shows how to create very realistic marks on your skin...he talks about an amount of solution called sodium or potassium hydroxide, also knowns as caustic soda, that makes the marks, the fake wounds
thebutcherfromhell 3 years ago
may b but still anything is possible
D3adF0x 4 years ago
How do you propose they test if ghosts exist in an empirical way then?
ItsBinary 4 years ago
go do research to tired to explain
D3adF0x 4 years ago
Tired of explaining? you haven't explained ANYTHING!?!?
mateodawkins 4 years ago
u cant prove thers ghost, u cant prove thers not ghost, they say anythin to look smart and shit so STFU
D3adF0x 4 years ago
doesnt matter wat science says
they will exist weather u want them or not
D3adF0x 4 years ago
Still haven't explained anything...
mateodawkins 4 years ago
how can i say this, ghost are dead ppl's spirit who stay behind, b/c they have unfinish bussiness, they need to finish.
either way ghost, demons, angels exisit weather or not u want them to.
Anon198219 4 years ago
It has nothing to do with whether I want them to or not. In fact, personally I couldn't care less. It has to do with the fact that theres no evidence supporting any of what you're saying. Meanwhile D3adFox is sitting there saying "to tired to explain" but he HASN'T explained anything. As for doing research I HAVE, clearly far more so than any of you. There is no concrete evidence at all...."ghost are dead ppl's spirit who stay behind, b/c they have unfinish bussiness" You watch too many movies!
mateodawkins 4 years ago 2
u have a simple closed mind, open it up and see that ther is possiblity that they do exits, thats all im saying
Anon198219 4 years ago
Possibilty yes, Evidence for them NO.... labeling myself with a closed mind is subjective. Many would witness this discussion and think that you are the one thats close-minded. People who stick to what they think regardless of good arguments made against their points of view are generally the ones who are considered "close-minded". As for my mind being simple, well... let's just say that you making that statement is a blatant display of how little you know me.
mateodawkins 4 years ago
i have an open mind, i believe anything is possible unlike u
Anon198219 4 years ago
Putting words in my mouth, yet again! I believe anything is possible aswell, but not without EVIDENCE... and THAT is the difference between us...
mateodawkins 4 years ago
well said. this guy anon is clearly an idiot.
sallyesq 3 years ago
these things are beyond human mind
hoboemperor 3 years ago
sience has prof for everything but when it comes to ghost or shit like that they got nothin to say i wonder y
D3adF0x 4 years ago
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i don't know why people think jesus was the son of god, he was just a magician who had the ability to fool people, and was crazy too, he wanted so badly that people believed he was the son of god that he had to acomplish it by dying......what a pussy!!
slipknot7maggot666 4 years ago
Agreed, many of his miracles are known fakir tricks.
ItsBinary 4 years ago
Do a real one with a full-sized nail hole through the hand. Go on.
pbaylis1 4 years ago
frauds
girlcanthelpit 4 years ago
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Jesus walked on water, so have modern (and ancient) magicians.
Jesus turned water to wine, so have modern (and ancient) magicians. (they've even turned coffee to coins)
Jesus was burried and 3 days later wasn't there....lame!
Jesus levitated, that's every day! Small children perform it!
There is nothing supernatural about jesus.
However, he was a very impressive magician.
In fact the most impressive thing he ever accomplished was the convincing of others he was something more.
pasadena686 4 years ago
SHAME
hoboemperor 3 years ago
There isn't a single religion based on anything less than trickery and/or the manipulation of others. Christianity is the wost of them all, for it has been beaten into society so hard that it has replaced truth.
behold, all is fraud!
pasadena686 4 years ago
Fuck you religion sucks
necromorbid 4 years ago
I have no religion but the whole stigmata thing is quite fascinating for me..Let's say that all the people in this video can be liars 'cause of easy way how to make a wound. But what about Theresa Newmann's bleeding? Or someone else who really bleeds, not just have the skratches or crusts..? I though that diviners can tell if the wound is made by piercing or some chemical or something else - there have to be a way how to find it...this is such a interesting subject!
nincompoopa 4 years ago
thank you
you are really respective about this subject :]
hoboemperor 3 years ago
wow
i'm a christian and i can't believe that people who actually do that upon them selves its quite sad that they do that just to feel as if they are connected but I find that really sad that you have to do that to yourself
bigbalut 4 years ago 2
im also christian and i believe they are jelous that jesus died for somthing not like doing that stuff just to make them feel happy .....they should have gone thu what jesus went and see who it feels
ILoveMyPearl 4 years ago