Las islas son de Argentina, los kelper son una poblacion transplantada. Es una evidencia mas de las 4 intento de invacion de inglaterra a la Argentina, 3 fueron derrotados, y una usurparon las islas malvinas expulsando a la poblacion civil argentina que vivia alli. Piratas ingleses devuelvan lo que no les pertenece, son de Argentina.
The British victory in the Falkland War was a victory of justice and freedom! It was not only a victory for the people of the Falkland Islands and their right of selfdertimination, but also for the people of Argentinia (even if they refuse to see this now), because the British victory was the beginning of the end of the brutal military dictatorship.
Argentina legitima dueña de las islas Malvinas, las heredo del virreinato del rio de la plata, ingleses trataron de conquistar Buenos aires 3 veces no pudieron y tomaron las islas en 1833 expulsando a la poblacion civil argenntina que residia alli.
Piratas Inglese devuelvan lo que no les corresponde.
I think that the United States should give Hawaii back to the Hawaiians. I also think Denmark should give back Greenland to the Greenlanders. I think we should give Mesopotamia back to Persia, Hispania back to the Romans, Rhodes back to Athens and the Peloponnese back to Sparta.
I think you will find Argentina that actually the French owned the islands first :) then gave them to the uk who gave them to Spain who gave them to the uk who gave them to the united provinces who gave them to the states who gave them to Argentina who gave them to the uk again. And they dont lay in your territorial waters as they only extend 12 miles from the coast they don't even lay in your economic exclusion zone which is 200 miles from the coast so actually they lay in international waters
All of these history lessons are fascinating, but there is only one issue that matters: What do the Falkland Islanders want here and now? We all know the answer to that, and only someone who wants to revive the principles of colonialism in the 21st century would think anything else is relevant. The Islanders want to remain British, period, end of story.
@booker1959 The principle of self-determination is not applicable since the current inhabitants are not aboriginal and were brought to replace the Argentine population that was expelled by an act of force in 1833.
@Fastquickeasyspanish Shut up moaning the Falkland belong to the UK and there is nothing you can do about it apart from moan and shout and that's not going to change anything.
@infidel1978 Yet another example of the good education, nice behavior, and willing to mantain the peace and the armony around the globe. Good job UK people!
You said, about Columbus: "In what world would seeing an island give you a claim to it"
And the british claim is supported in John Byron, who only saw the island, because he was "unaware of the French presence". Your comments contradict. I am not an idiot and can read Wikipedia, but I wanted you to tell me, to show your fails in your own refutations.
I recognize was wrong about Wallace. But in the essential, with your comments I think UK can't make a claim prior to 1833.
@080adrian080 That make no sense a bit like the Argi claim to the Falklands.....as a country I rank you alongside Japan Germany and the irish ( Angry and Stupid)
William Wallace wasn't Irish and the Scotts entered into Union by choice, you mong. Jesus Christ learn a bit about the subject of discussion before making an idiot out of yourself.
@WSWarthog I think we're talking to another brainwashed moron. All it takes is a bit of research, but it seems some people aren't willing to do that. They'd rather continue to state inaccurate 'facts', and base their arguments on emotion rather than reason.
@080adrian080 The last time we invaded France it was to liberate them from the Nazis. Argentina (Mussolini supporters) were neutral at the time and provided a safe haven for Dr Mengele and other Nazis afterwards. I hope Argentina has changed since those days but obviously they still have yet to progress to being a modern, balanced nation - as is evident with your crude, illiberal nationalism. The Nazis used to pretend to be victims too. Saludos.
Im not british or from argentina. 1. UK shouldnt have been a jerk by saying negotiations cant take place 2. argentina should realize that those islands were never really theirs... if things get worse south america will cut ties with the islands and the islanders will be the ones affected.. to solve this id suggest the island gets independent, so that way none of them get it. overseas territory = colony. and UK will not be a democracy untill they get rid of that crown nonsense..
@jiros00 UKs allies arechile and another country. but brazil, urugay wont side with the UK. they are their closest neighbors. and you know why chile is on UKs side bc they did the same to Bolivia. they took a part of their land. look it up.
"the spirit of the land?" Who defines what spirit occupies the land? Do you think the Han Chinese should all be expelled because the "spirit" of the other tribes who lived there before becoming assimilated has the true rights to the land? This is nonsense. What determines who should own land in terms of national boundaries is WHO LIVES THERE. Not some abstract spirit that you can define according to your whim.
@WSWarthog I agree it is depressing. Argentinian peculiar sense of nationalism is the issue. They have yet to behave like modern adult nation. If they hadn't had corrupt governments (including de Kirchners now) for the last 100 years I suspect things would be different. They wouldn't need to distract the population with a false history of victimhood.
@jiros00 agreed, Argenita still far from being a model of democracy.. but i dont agree with the nonsense crown that UK has...i cant believe that one person can dictate the fate of a country and monarquies. the queen has the power to taken control of canada, australia,nz and others...get rid of that. Japan has a king and queen but they have no power....
@DRZREALEST Argentina's image of Britain is just ancient and in reality a filthy insult. The Queen has symbolic power only. We are not only one of the world's strongest and oldest liberal democracies we have lost millions of lives defending it. We no longer have the empire that thick Argentinians think we have because we sacrificed it to beat Hitler and save democracy.
@jiros00 sure....... symbolic.. go to wikipedia. the Crown has power over the PM. they get richer just bc they are leasing their land (UK) to the british people. they own UK.
I can't believe the Argentinians have been this arrogant. They have never owned the Falklands, and have already attacked us once before. Yet they moan about us putting more defenses there, like we're the aggressors. And they're playing the sympathy card with their neighbours, like we somehow cheated them out of something they never had.
The usa are coming in on the oil with us now. I understand why they have to remain neutral politically, but they can do what they want via corporations.
Britain has more right to the Falklands than Argentina. We were the first to set foot there, we colonized it first, we have legal rights over it. The Argentines just happen to be next to it, so they think they can have it. When the citizens of the Falklands wish to remain British and hate the Argentines. Its like America trying to claim rights over Cuba because it happens to be next door to them.
@XXXpallisterXXX British weren't the first. British warlike expelled argentinian gauchos in 1833. And it's not about being next, but the islands are located inside the argentinian sea, that's the point. Argentinians don't care about the english islanders, as islander ancesters don't care about killing the gauchos.
And to people who say that the war in 1982 gives any type of rights, I say that english won the war because of sinking the Belgrano's vessel outside the exclusion zone established.
@080adrian080 The facts: We had claimed the falklands before argentina was even a country. France were there but gave their claim up. We have never gave our claim up. The current population have been there for nearly 200 years.
Argentina are basing their claim on the fact that the islands are closer to them than us. So does that mean i can claim my neighbours house, as its near me? Its a ridiculous concept, they should sort their own country out.
@VirtualMark2 Before Argentina was a country? Argentina is a country since 1810, and England took Falkland in 1833.
I said the point is not be closer, that's what ignorants say, the fact is that the island are inside the argentinian sea. Argentinians don't claim, for example, Uruguay, a closer country (and it was a province of Argentina that became independent).
Read about gaucho Antonio Rivero, and will notice that England invaded Argentina in Malvinas.
@WSWarthog Ok, seems that british John Davis discovered Falkland in 1592. BUT, spanish Fernando de Magallanes saw first in 1520.
Anyway, Columbus discovered Bahamas and is recognized that the archipelago is not actual part of Spanish Crown. Because they know that HIS land is Spain.
With the british claim Spain can say, as Columbus discovered America, all America may be spanish. Just to see America. As Davis just see Falkland-Malvinas.
In what world would seeing an island give you a claim to it, even if the Spanish ever saw it? Regardless, when the Spanish decide to push a claim on the Falklands then that argument can be had, but as it stands they aren't.
" In 1765, British captain John Byron explored and claimed Saunders Island on West Falkland, where he named the harbour Port Egmont and a settlement was constructed in 1766.[15] Unaware of the French presence, Byron claimed the island group for King George III."
@VirtualMark2 And England, unsatisfied with that, also invaded continental Argentina. In many times. For example, in the argentinian $20, appears the Vuelta de Obligado, a rebellion against the english pirates of the crown, that cames victory for Argentina. Read about that and will notice how England wanted to dominate our country.
@080adrian080 yeah england did a lot of stuff in the past that was pretty bad. just like hundreds of other countries. whats this got to do with the falklands?
@080adrian080 Respective owners? Look it up, there's loads of overseas territories owned by various countries. And one thing you're failing to see is that there are people living on the island that have been there for generations, and they have voted with almost a 100% majority to stay with us. So, give the islands back to who exactly? Argentina? Just because they decide they want them? Like Argentina, your arguments are weak and based on nothing.
@VirtualMark2 Brainwashed moron you. You are the stupid who defend a country that, as you say, did a lot of pretty bad stuff. The falkland people is english, as in SouthAfrica are english (some cities). BUT AFRICA OWNS TO BLACK PEOPLE.
Give up, but this is because you can't have a reasonable discussion without pejoratively criticism.
@XXXpallisterXXX We live closer to France than the Argentinians do to the Falklands. Its ridiculous, they have such a shitty basis for a claim its unreal. Hopefully the world will see common sense and let them have their right to self determination.
If we don't like the resolution for us to open discussions, we can just vito it anyway.
@cerritoboy firstly, capitals doesn't make your point any more valid. neither does swearing or insulting. but nice to show the world what a civilized culture you come from.
secondly, how on earth does the falklands belong to argentina? we discovered it before you even had a country.
@VirtualMark2 First of all: I am from Uruguay but I live in London. Let me tell you something mister. Your culture is less civilized than mine. The Suarez case is proof that your country is not only racist, but also not tolerant towards other cultures. Unlike you guys, we accept who we really are. Your country has a bloody past and hasn´t recovered from it. Second, the islands have always belonged to Argentina, they are on the same continental shelf. You are miles and miles away from the islands
@cerritoboy so you're basing the whole uk on a single case of a racist incident? dear oh dear, you're so ignorant its not even funny.
And if we're going to talk about the distant past, you need to learn your own countrys history - you're descended from the spanish who murdered the native population and colonized there.
Lastly, living near somewhere doesn't make it yours. France is nearer to us than Argentina is to the falklands! And Argentina didn't even exist when we claimed it.
@VirtualMark2 How can you call yourself a democracy when you are not one (example PRESS TV, which your government shut down for no fucking reason). In Uruguay we are tolerant and accept what we really are (black, fat, skinny, ugly, and so on). You still own colonies and that is a fucking shame. I can also tell you that this country has a shitty infrastructure. Example, your transit system is inefficient and expensive. I absolutely hate it.
@cerritoboy i don't even know what you're going on about. we have overseas territories who want to stay with us. in the falklands they don't want to be part of the shitty corrupt backwards stinking regime, they want to stay with the uk.
and if you hate it so much here, why are you living here?
i agree, our transit system sucks. which is why i have been driving since i was 17.
@VirtualMark2 backwards regime? What about you guys? You still have queen that is so old-fashioned! Your judges still wear wigs, which is retarded. You drive on the right, which Uruguay stopped doing it back in 1936!! I actually like Britain, however, I think this country sometimes acts like a retard. Examples, the Suarez case(Luis is innocent), the transit system, its decaying infrastructure. By the way, when you took the islands from Argentina, the country didn´t exist, it belonged to Spain.
What's more idiotic? Wearing wigs in court and having a royal figurehead, or acting like you've been done a grave injustice by being robbed of what you never had claim to in the first place? Everything you've mentioned in this post is wholly irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is that Argentina has *no* legal rights to the Falklands whatsoever. Let's be clear; NONE. If Spain having stolen the islands from us gives you legal rights over them, why not invade Chile too?
@cerritoboy lets leave cultural insults out of this.. our queen or wigs have nothing to do with it. my point about argentina's regime is that they were ruled by a dictatorship when they attacked us in 1982. now they're a democracy, but still in its infancy. hence a backwards regime compared to us.
again, with regard to spain, they murdered the natives and you're their descendants, so you're no better than us. but it was 100's of years ago so who cares, i didn't do it neither did you
@Bear5177 British cultural, economic, social, political and educational values create a unique British-like, Falkland Islands. Yet Islanders feel distinctly different from their fellow citizens who reside in the United Kingdom. This might have something to do with geographical isolation or with living on a smaller island – perhaps akin to those British people not feeling European. (Lewis Clifton, Speaker of the Falklands Legislative Council)
@straty01 Sure, but most Falkland Islanders hate the Argentinians, yet do not feel British. One may speculate what would happen to the Falkland Islands if the UK gives it up to the Argentinians. Probably forced evictions and what not violence. Nobody sane wants that. The Argentinians protesting I figure are very naive indeed.
@straty01 Limits of what? Geography is not a valid basis for a claim. In any case they are a huge distance from Argentina even if they are much closer. How close is Hawaii to mainland America...or Alaska?
@jiros00 Remember Vietnam? French occupation for decades, then USA but ultimately the 'natives' won out. The human life span is too short to understand. Ownership by genocide does not count. It is ultimately the 'spirit' that exists within the land that determines 'ownership'.
This is ONE planet, 'ownership' is a draconian relic, the IMF has become an 'expert' in 'ownership' ask any Latin American nation. Go to my channel and watch the 'Contact' intro to get the 'bigger' picture.
@straty01 The only ones more native than the current population of the Falklands are the penguins. Before 82 when Argies invaded we had not killed one single person in our settlement of the Islands in the 18th century (before Argentina existed). Not sure what you mean by spirits. The Argentinian official version of history is just simply *wrong*. Peronist fascism is alive and well in Argentina it seems.
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Las islas son de Argentina, los kelper son una poblacion transplantada. Es una evidencia mas de las 4 intento de invacion de inglaterra a la Argentina, 3 fueron derrotados, y una usurparon las islas malvinas expulsando a la poblacion civil argentina que vivia alli. Piratas ingleses devuelvan lo que no les pertenece, son de Argentina.
faustto333 3 days ago
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The British victory in the Falkland War was a victory of justice and freedom! It was not only a victory for the people of the Falkland Islands and their right of selfdertimination, but also for the people of Argentinia (even if they refuse to see this now), because the British victory was the beginning of the end of the brutal military dictatorship.
sceptiquele 5 days ago
Argentina legitima dueña de las islas Malvinas, las heredo del virreinato del rio de la plata, ingleses trataron de conquistar Buenos aires 3 veces no pudieron y tomaron las islas en 1833 expulsando a la poblacion civil argenntina que residia alli.
Piratas Inglese devuelvan lo que no les corresponde.
faustto333 2 weeks ago 2
I think that the United States should give Hawaii back to the Hawaiians. I also think Denmark should give back Greenland to the Greenlanders. I think we should give Mesopotamia back to Persia, Hispania back to the Romans, Rhodes back to Athens and the Peloponnese back to Sparta.
mollymoo71 3 weeks ago
I think you will find Argentina that actually the French owned the islands first :) then gave them to the uk who gave them to Spain who gave them to the uk who gave them to the united provinces who gave them to the states who gave them to Argentina who gave them to the uk again. And they dont lay in your territorial waters as they only extend 12 miles from the coast they don't even lay in your economic exclusion zone which is 200 miles from the coast so actually they lay in international waters
harrygorrod23 1 month ago
Don,t cry for me Argentina , that is what my wife sing to me same times she from Chile ,
I am English I feel she do not like Argentine ,
kev12364 1 month ago
All of these history lessons are fascinating, but there is only one issue that matters: What do the Falkland Islanders want here and now? We all know the answer to that, and only someone who wants to revive the principles of colonialism in the 21st century would think anything else is relevant. The Islanders want to remain British, period, end of story.
booker1959 1 month ago 2
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@booker1959 The principle of self-determination is not applicable since the current inhabitants are not aboriginal and were brought to replace the Argentine population that was expelled by an act of force in 1833.
marcoscasoetto 3 weeks ago
Who cares about Argentina ???.We'll put them back to the stone age with one or two nukes
infidel1978 1 month ago
@infidel1978 fuck you argentina for life!!!!!!!
Fastquickeasyspanish 1 month ago
@Fastquickeasyspanish Shut up moaning the Falkland belong to the UK and there is nothing you can do about it apart from moan and shout and that's not going to change anything.
infidel1978 1 month ago
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@infidel1978 Yet another example of the good education, nice behavior, and willing to mantain the peace and the armony around the globe. Good job UK people!
marcoscasoetto 3 weeks ago
@WSWarthog It's right.
You said, about Columbus: "In what world would seeing an island give you a claim to it"
And the british claim is supported in John Byron, who only saw the island, because he was "unaware of the French presence". Your comments contradict. I am not an idiot and can read Wikipedia, but I wanted you to tell me, to show your fails in your own refutations.
I recognize was wrong about Wallace. But in the essential, with your comments I think UK can't make a claim prior to 1833.
080adrian080 1 month ago
@080adrian080
No you moron, Byron actually set foot on the Falklands. This farce of an argument is done as far as I'm concerned.
WSWarthog 1 month ago
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panzerargentina 1 month ago
Hey now the Falklands belong to the United States!
stifler4041 1 month ago
We fought the nazi in ww2 the Argentinians sheltered them , enough said
dustyRN 1 month ago
@dustyRN England invaded France more than 100 years. THATS ENOUGH
080adrian080 1 month ago
@080adrian080 That make no sense a bit like the Argi claim to the Falklands.....as a country I rank you alongside Japan Germany and the irish ( Angry and Stupid)
dustyRN 1 month ago
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080adrian080 1 month ago
@080adrian080
William Wallace wasn't Irish and the Scotts entered into Union by choice, you mong. Jesus Christ learn a bit about the subject of discussion before making an idiot out of yourself.
WSWarthog 1 month ago
@WSWarthog I think we're talking to another brainwashed moron. All it takes is a bit of research, but it seems some people aren't willing to do that. They'd rather continue to state inaccurate 'facts', and base their arguments on emotion rather than reason.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
@VirtualMark2
No skin off my back if this idiot continues to humiliate himself.
WSWarthog 1 month ago
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jiros00 1 month ago
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@080adrian080 The last time we invaded France it was to liberate them from the Nazis. Argentina (Mussolini supporters) were neutral at the time and provided a safe haven for Dr Mengele and other Nazis afterwards. I hope Argentina has changed since those days but obviously they still have yet to progress to being a modern, balanced nation - as is evident with your crude, illiberal nationalism. The Nazis used to pretend to be victims too. Saludos.
jiros00 1 month ago
Im not british or from argentina. 1. UK shouldnt have been a jerk by saying negotiations cant take place 2. argentina should realize that those islands were never really theirs... if things get worse south america will cut ties with the islands and the islanders will be the ones affected.. to solve this id suggest the island gets independent, so that way none of them get it. overseas territory = colony. and UK will not be a democracy untill they get rid of that crown nonsense..
DRZREALEST 1 month ago
@DRZREALEST We offered to share any oil proceeds but not our sovereignty. We will stand firm whatever Latin America do. We have supporters there too.
jiros00 1 month ago
@jiros00 UKs allies arechile and another country. but brazil, urugay wont side with the UK. they are their closest neighbors. and you know why chile is on UKs side bc they did the same to Bolivia. they took a part of their land. look it up.
DRZREALEST 1 month ago
@DRZREALEST Argentina's support has no depth which is why they have not banned British flagged ships.
jiros00 1 month ago
Reading the comments from South Americans in this thread is depressing.
@straty01
"the spirit of the land?" Who defines what spirit occupies the land? Do you think the Han Chinese should all be expelled because the "spirit" of the other tribes who lived there before becoming assimilated has the true rights to the land? This is nonsense. What determines who should own land in terms of national boundaries is WHO LIVES THERE. Not some abstract spirit that you can define according to your whim.
WSWarthog 1 month ago
@WSWarthog I agree it is depressing. Argentinian peculiar sense of nationalism is the issue. They have yet to behave like modern adult nation. If they hadn't had corrupt governments (including de Kirchners now) for the last 100 years I suspect things would be different. They wouldn't need to distract the population with a false history of victimhood.
jiros00 1 month ago
@jiros00 agreed, Argenita still far from being a model of democracy.. but i dont agree with the nonsense crown that UK has...i cant believe that one person can dictate the fate of a country and monarquies. the queen has the power to taken control of canada, australia,nz and others...get rid of that. Japan has a king and queen but they have no power....
DRZREALEST 1 month ago
@DRZREALEST Argentina's image of Britain is just ancient and in reality a filthy insult. The Queen has symbolic power only. We are not only one of the world's strongest and oldest liberal democracies we have lost millions of lives defending it. We no longer have the empire that thick Argentinians think we have because we sacrificed it to beat Hitler and save democracy.
jiros00 1 month ago
@jiros00 sure....... symbolic.. go to wikipedia. the Crown has power over the PM. they get richer just bc they are leasing their land (UK) to the british people. they own UK.
DRZREALEST 1 month ago
@DRZREALEST She has only symbolic in reality whatever wikipedia says. Remember our constitution is not written. She is rich. That part is true.
jiros00 1 month ago
@jiros00 And to add to this, we're probably one of the most culturally diverse countries in the world today.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
@WSWarthog reading only coreligionists comments not lead anywhere. Is useless.
080adrian080 1 month ago
I can't believe the Argentinians have been this arrogant. They have never owned the Falklands, and have already attacked us once before. Yet they moan about us putting more defenses there, like we're the aggressors. And they're playing the sympathy card with their neighbours, like we somehow cheated them out of something they never had.
The usa are coming in on the oil with us now. I understand why they have to remain neutral politically, but they can do what they want via corporations.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
Isn't it "feud"?
TheSheiban 1 month ago
Britain has more right to the Falklands than Argentina. We were the first to set foot there, we colonized it first, we have legal rights over it. The Argentines just happen to be next to it, so they think they can have it. When the citizens of the Falklands wish to remain British and hate the Argentines. Its like America trying to claim rights over Cuba because it happens to be next door to them.
XXXpallisterXXX 1 month ago 2
@XXXpallisterXXX Well-said.
EllyMcCormack 1 month ago
@XXXpallisterXXX British weren't the first. British warlike expelled argentinian gauchos in 1833. And it's not about being next, but the islands are located inside the argentinian sea, that's the point. Argentinians don't care about the english islanders, as islander ancesters don't care about killing the gauchos.
And to people who say that the war in 1982 gives any type of rights, I say that english won the war because of sinking the Belgrano's vessel outside the exclusion zone established.
080adrian080 1 month ago
@080adrian080 you need to read some history.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
@VirtualMark2 Really? Because I read a lot about Falkland (or Malvinas). And are you sure you have the TRUE?
OK, can you tell me at which point I go wrong? Because I have foundation of every thing I said.
080adrian080 1 month ago
@080adrian080 The facts: We had claimed the falklands before argentina was even a country. France were there but gave their claim up. We have never gave our claim up. The current population have been there for nearly 200 years.
Argentina are basing their claim on the fact that the islands are closer to them than us. So does that mean i can claim my neighbours house, as its near me? Its a ridiculous concept, they should sort their own country out.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
@VirtualMark2 Oh, and argentina also sent a few convicts there, who left when we came back to OUR already claimed land.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
@VirtualMark2 Before Argentina was a country? Argentina is a country since 1810, and England took Falkland in 1833.
I said the point is not be closer, that's what ignorants say, the fact is that the island are inside the argentinian sea. Argentinians don't claim, for example, Uruguay, a closer country (and it was a province of Argentina that became independent).
Read about gaucho Antonio Rivero, and will notice that England invaded Argentina in Malvinas.
080adrian080 1 month ago
@080adrian080
>England took Falkland in 1833.
The British claim to the Falklands predates that by far.
WSWarthog 1 month ago
@WSWarthog Ok, seems that british John Davis discovered Falkland in 1592. BUT, spanish Fernando de Magallanes saw first in 1520.
Anyway, Columbus discovered Bahamas and is recognized that the archipelago is not actual part of Spanish Crown. Because they know that HIS land is Spain.
With the british claim Spain can say, as Columbus discovered America, all America may be spanish. Just to see America. As Davis just see Falkland-Malvinas.
That's unreasonable.
080adrian080 1 month ago
@080adrian080
In what world would seeing an island give you a claim to it, even if the Spanish ever saw it? Regardless, when the Spanish decide to push a claim on the Falklands then that argument can be had, but as it stands they aren't.
WSWarthog 1 month ago
@WSWarthog Ok.
You said: "The British claim to the Falklands predates that (1833) by far."
Can you tell me the date of the british claim?
080adrian080 1 month ago
@080adrian080
From Wikipedia
" In 1765, British captain John Byron explored and claimed Saunders Island on West Falkland, where he named the harbour Port Egmont and a settlement was constructed in 1766.[15] Unaware of the French presence, Byron claimed the island group for King George III."
WSWarthog 1 month ago
@080adrian080 Dear god. I give up.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
@VirtualMark2 And England, unsatisfied with that, also invaded continental Argentina. In many times. For example, in the argentinian $20, appears the Vuelta de Obligado, a rebellion against the english pirates of the crown, that cames victory for Argentina. Read about that and will notice how England wanted to dominate our country.
080adrian080 1 month ago
@080adrian080 yeah england did a lot of stuff in the past that was pretty bad. just like hundreds of other countries. whats this got to do with the falklands?
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
@VirtualMark2 Well, Falkland is another part of land that must return to their respective owners. As they did with France, India, Africa, etc.
And if UK did bad things in the past, why its claim is based on past events? Because all these have the seal of the superb imperialism.
080adrian080 1 month ago
@080adrian080 Respective owners? Look it up, there's loads of overseas territories owned by various countries. And one thing you're failing to see is that there are people living on the island that have been there for generations, and they have voted with almost a 100% majority to stay with us. So, give the islands back to who exactly? Argentina? Just because they decide they want them? Like Argentina, your arguments are weak and based on nothing.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
@VirtualMark2 Brainwashed moron you. You are the stupid who defend a country that, as you say, did a lot of pretty bad stuff. The falkland people is english, as in SouthAfrica are english (some cities). BUT AFRICA OWNS TO BLACK PEOPLE.
Give up, but this is because you can't have a reasonable discussion without pejoratively criticism.
080adrian080 1 month ago
@XXXpallisterXXX We live closer to France than the Argentinians do to the Falklands. Its ridiculous, they have such a shitty basis for a claim its unreal. Hopefully the world will see common sense and let them have their right to self determination.
If we don't like the resolution for us to open discussions, we can just vito it anyway.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS INGLESES IMPERALISTAS! THE FALKLANDS BELONG TO ARGENTINA YOU MOTHERFUCKING IMPERIALISTS!
cerritoboy 1 month ago
@cerritoboy They will never be Argentinian. Nothing is more certain. You should relax and let go of your frustrations. Not good for your health.
jiros00 1 month ago
@cerritoboy firstly, capitals doesn't make your point any more valid. neither does swearing or insulting. but nice to show the world what a civilized culture you come from.
secondly, how on earth does the falklands belong to argentina? we discovered it before you even had a country.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
@VirtualMark2 First of all: I am from Uruguay but I live in London. Let me tell you something mister. Your culture is less civilized than mine. The Suarez case is proof that your country is not only racist, but also not tolerant towards other cultures. Unlike you guys, we accept who we really are. Your country has a bloody past and hasn´t recovered from it. Second, the islands have always belonged to Argentina, they are on the same continental shelf. You are miles and miles away from the islands
cerritoboy 1 month ago
@cerritoboy so you're basing the whole uk on a single case of a racist incident? dear oh dear, you're so ignorant its not even funny.
And if we're going to talk about the distant past, you need to learn your own countrys history - you're descended from the spanish who murdered the native population and colonized there.
Lastly, living near somewhere doesn't make it yours. France is nearer to us than Argentina is to the falklands! And Argentina didn't even exist when we claimed it.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
@VirtualMark2 How can you call yourself a democracy when you are not one (example PRESS TV, which your government shut down for no fucking reason). In Uruguay we are tolerant and accept what we really are (black, fat, skinny, ugly, and so on). You still own colonies and that is a fucking shame. I can also tell you that this country has a shitty infrastructure. Example, your transit system is inefficient and expensive. I absolutely hate it.
cerritoboy 1 month ago
@cerritoboy i don't even know what you're going on about. we have overseas territories who want to stay with us. in the falklands they don't want to be part of the shitty corrupt backwards stinking regime, they want to stay with the uk.
and if you hate it so much here, why are you living here?
i agree, our transit system sucks. which is why i have been driving since i was 17.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
@VirtualMark2 backwards regime? What about you guys? You still have queen that is so old-fashioned! Your judges still wear wigs, which is retarded. You drive on the right, which Uruguay stopped doing it back in 1936!! I actually like Britain, however, I think this country sometimes acts like a retard. Examples, the Suarez case(Luis is innocent), the transit system, its decaying infrastructure. By the way, when you took the islands from Argentina, the country didn´t exist, it belonged to Spain.
cerritoboy 1 month ago
@cerritoboy
What's more idiotic? Wearing wigs in court and having a royal figurehead, or acting like you've been done a grave injustice by being robbed of what you never had claim to in the first place? Everything you've mentioned in this post is wholly irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is that Argentina has *no* legal rights to the Falklands whatsoever. Let's be clear; NONE. If Spain having stolen the islands from us gives you legal rights over them, why not invade Chile too?
WSWarthog 1 month ago
@cerritoboy lets leave cultural insults out of this.. our queen or wigs have nothing to do with it. my point about argentina's regime is that they were ruled by a dictatorship when they attacked us in 1982. now they're a democracy, but still in its infancy. hence a backwards regime compared to us.
again, with regard to spain, they murdered the natives and you're their descendants, so you're no better than us. but it was 100's of years ago so who cares, i didn't do it neither did you
VirtualMark2 1 month ago
I think if Argentina were truly colonized, this protest would not be allowed.
Alicetheredpill 1 month ago
@Alicetheredpill Shutup.
mynoon1999 1 month ago
@Alicetheredpill Or maybe UK colonized by the glorious UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (or... Brazil).
080adrian080 1 month ago
I thought that the folks there living in the Falklands through some sort of consensus decided to remain under British rule?
Bear5177 1 month ago
@Bear5177 No.
mynoon1999 1 month ago
@Bear5177 British cultural, economic, social, political and educational values create a unique British-like, Falkland Islands. Yet Islanders feel distinctly different from their fellow citizens who reside in the United Kingdom. This might have something to do with geographical isolation or with living on a smaller island – perhaps akin to those British people not feeling European. (Lewis Clifton, Speaker of the Falklands Legislative Council)
Schneboll 1 month ago
@Schneboll get independent... disassociate from both countries.
DRZREALEST 1 month ago
They may not have anything against me. But I have something against them. Murduring bastards.
mynoon1999 1 month ago
look on a map. UK ownership is stretching the limits here....
straty01 1 month ago
@straty01 The British and French have territories in the pacific.
mynoon1999 1 month ago
@straty01 Sure, but most Falkland Islanders hate the Argentinians, yet do not feel British. One may speculate what would happen to the Falkland Islands if the UK gives it up to the Argentinians. Probably forced evictions and what not violence. Nobody sane wants that. The Argentinians protesting I figure are very naive indeed.
Schneboll 1 month ago
@Schneboll what about Scotland? UK regime is finished
straty01 1 month ago
@straty01 Limits of what? Geography is not a valid basis for a claim. In any case they are a huge distance from Argentina even if they are much closer. How close is Hawaii to mainland America...or Alaska?
jiros00 1 month ago
@jiros00 Remember Vietnam? French occupation for decades, then USA but ultimately the 'natives' won out. The human life span is too short to understand. Ownership by genocide does not count. It is ultimately the 'spirit' that exists within the land that determines 'ownership'.
This is ONE planet, 'ownership' is a draconian relic, the IMF has become an 'expert' in 'ownership' ask any Latin American nation. Go to my channel and watch the 'Contact' intro to get the 'bigger' picture.
straty01 1 month ago
@straty01 The only ones more native than the current population of the Falklands are the penguins. Before 82 when Argies invaded we had not killed one single person in our settlement of the Islands in the 18th century (before Argentina existed). Not sure what you mean by spirits. The Argentinian official version of history is just simply *wrong*. Peronist fascism is alive and well in Argentina it seems.
jiros00 1 month ago
@jiros00 we are ONE planet my friend, all linked into ONE universe, these 'battles' over who owns what is fading away. Everything is spirit.
Peace
straty01 1 month ago
@straty01 Thank you dear. Argentina should apply to have the UN Charter changed to delete self-determination and replace it with "spirit".
jiros00 1 month ago
@jiros00 old paradigms no longer apply
straty01 1 month ago
@straty01 The current paradigm still applies. The UN Charter still applies. Argentina is welcome to withdraw from the UN.
jiros00 1 month ago
@jiros00
Haha!
WSWarthog 1 month ago
@straty01 Very true. We all came from the same space dust.
VirtualMark2 1 month ago