Made in China: The Real Reasons Why Apple Won't Build iPhones in the US

[qtutoringhelps]

Why are millions people coming out of American educational institution with no skills to meet the free market requirements? Hmm, it couldn't be that the state is running education.

[TeaParty1776]

@qtutoringhelps Of course! My formal ed was shit w/shitheads. Even more, Progressive education, with its anti-reason, pro-emotion perspective, disintegrates students' minds in private and socialist (public) schools. 19th century classical ed created 15- and 16-yr-old high school grads with education like today's M.A.! Ayn Rand's philosophy of ed is better than classical ed because its based on observation, not authority. See Van Damme Academy.

[Jcapinc]

Your comment on the "forgotten man", including developers that have profitted from iOS and developing third party apps was very pertinent to me, I do not develop iOS apps specifically, but I am working directly with products that will be on the iPad.

[cstarr3]

No company makes any money by making something, no matter where it is made. It costs money to make anything; labor, capital, intermediate goods, etc. all cost the company making the product. They make their money by selling their product. If you don't want a company to make money, don't buy from them. That is the thing people hate most about capitalism, it is democracy in its purest form. Businesses succeed in proportion to the number of people that support them.

[TeaParty1776]

@cstarr3 Capitalism is the individual owning his own life free and clear from other. Democracy is changing majority vote owning the individual. Capitalism and democracy are contradictory in the context of individual rights.

[cstarr3]

@TeaParty1776 I respectfully disagree. I am not under the delusion, however, that democracy is synonymous with freedom or individual rights. The idea that "society" owns the factors of production (i.e. individual rights are subordinate to collective rights) is the foundation of Socialism. I think that making democracy equivalent to socialism is exactly what socialists try to do. That way America believes that it has always been and always will be a socialist nation.

[TeaParty1776]

@cstarr3 Democracy as unlimited majority rule and also as voting is as old as the Greeks. As voting in an individualist polity, its good. But democracy as unlimited majority rule is the problem, especially when, as now, its confused with mere voting. Then its a collectivism, as is socialism.

[cstarr3]

@TeaParty1776 I agree. I do not believe in a stark majority rule system, especially if such a ruling would violate individual rights. Generally, I speak of pure democracy as a system in which ruling power is placed with the people, not a portion of the people, no matter how large. A society in which each person is master of his own fate (in my opinion) is a democracy, even if he can't vote to decide the fate of his neighbor. Any disagreement we have is probably over mere semantics.

[TeaParty1776]

@cstarr3 Who rules, which was the first concern of political philosophy, is non-essential. The essence is the purpose, ie, individual rights, collectivism or religion. Meaning is conceptual, not arbitrary, but a logical organization of the observation of similarities and differences. Demos, after all, means society, not the individual. The same word or concept cant be used for unlimited majority rule, voting and individual rights. Plato ,Aristotle ,and the US founders feared demos w/good reason.

[cstarr3]

@TeaParty1776 Words like "democracy," "oligarchy" and the like are definition based on who rules, and is not indicative of purpose. Demos did not mean society, but was used in very much the same way that the English word "people" is used. Por ejemplo, "people" being referenced in the second and fourth amendments does not make these rights communal and void where individuals are concerned. But if "democracy" is cause for argument, consider it changed to "politocracy."

[TeaParty1776]

@cstarr3 But that what I said! I meant that purpose is, logically, the widest issue, ie, the contextual essence, regardless of what people studied at the beginning of political philosophy.

Its very odd to claim that demos, the root of democracy, means the individual. Democracy is, from the beginning, unlimited majority rule over the individual and his rights. Of course, the development of knowledge is filled with errors only later corrected.

[TeaParty1776]

@cstarr3 In the context of the 18th century individualism of the US Constitution, the terms which can be distributive or collective, eg, common good, were distributive.

Maybe democracy was a necessary learning stage between collectivism and individualism but its not individualism. Greek individualism didnt develop much beyond the philosophical, ie, to politics. Even Aristotle was in a transition phase. They were not Lockeans!

[jonnygotz2343]

The Guy is an idiot, who says if we create jobs here it would cost 1500 for an Ipad, I would disagree. It would be the same Price, Just the Corporations would make alittle less. Its all about Corporate Greed

[TeaParty1776]

@jonnygotz2343 Corporations, as voluntary assemblies of individuals, have the selfish right to their own lives, including the right to pursue profit. Corporations have no obligation to sacrifice. Further, the more profit, the more they can make things I want to selfishly buy. Sacrifice is immoral and selfishness is moral.

[jonnygotz2343]

We should make it hard to import to the U.S. and charge tariffs so its would be more cost effective for companies to stay here. Or Make companies stay here or imprison them for not doing so

[TeaParty1776]

@jonnygotz2343 In the Pragmatist short run, that would benefit you. But, for any political street thief like yourself ,tomorrow rolls around, with the costs you evade for the sake of this moment's loot. Everything is more expensive on self-sufficient farms. The original Tea Party was a protest against the British policy of economic nationalism.

[jonnygotz2343]

So to make a profit of a little more they would go to china, We as Americans should boycott things made in other countries. Made in AMERICA!!!

[TeaParty1776]

@jonnygotz2343 If you want to sacrifice yourself, nail yourself to a cross and tell people that you reject the Declaration's appeal to individual rights. America is an anti-nationalist nation but conservatives and liberals are changing that.

[djb5255]

How does exporting inflation affect exchange rates??

[MrConservative608]

I have a degree in a manufacturing discipline, don't have a job right now but I agree that we should let the market decide where a business should locate. I think us Americans are wimps! We don't understand we are shooting ourselves in the foot in the long run because we assume China only trades with the United States. Instead of just competing with a man down the street, we have to compete with a man in another country. Come on & man up to the challenge!

[TeaParty1776]

@MrConservative608 Agreed, but its a matter of economic law, ie, comparative advantage, not courage. Cheap Chinese goodies means more money for US production in something else. Besides, our interventionist economics drives our firms offshore. And China is developing its own stimulus-driven, unsustainable investments, w/ghost cites, etc. We need capitalism. Back to the 19th century! One, two, three, many Steve Jobs.

[Dragdamar]

I love when people bitch about corporations on the internet while using the products made by the corporation they are bitching about. If you don't like how a corporation, stop buying the products. Damn hypocrites.

[mojostrikesback]

Money Rules the World. Now and Forever.

[MrConservative608]

@mojostrikesback Isn't great that with capitalism, we feed the world like never before, clothe the world like never before, house the world like never before, make things that use to be exclusively owned by the extremely wealthy available to the poorest of just about every industrialized country and even some countries that are worse off which is why even the poor in the United States have TVs, computers of which you wrote your comment & Internet service that transmitted it.

[yeebuddeh1]

They don't make 1.50 an hour, in fact they're lucky to make 20-30 cents an hour.

"Alleged" worker abuse? "They have a choice not to work there"? These are some of the most desperate people on the planet. The reason they take these excruciating jobs working 100+ hour weeks in inhumane conditions for just enough to feed their families 2 shitty meals a day is because the only alternative is starvation.

Those "anti-progress" regulations are what keep us from having a 3rd world standard of living

[Dragdamar]

@yeebuddeh1 I see you tested well in Union propaganda class.

[fishblades]

@yeebuddeh1

No, Capitalism is what keeps us from having a 3rd world Country. Is that what you think they have over there?

[MrConservative608]

@yeebuddeh1 The rate of pay in another country is proportional to the cost of living in that country. It is not like making $0.20/hr in the United States. Economies are not static things. We were once making the same wage in the United States when the cost of living was so much lower.

I kind of disagree with the people on the video saying worker abuse should be handled by not working there. The people of that country should pass some laws on working condition regulations.

[MrConservative608]

@yeebuddeh1 Let me shock you. I don't believe there should be any minimum wage. I agree that there should be working conditions set by law but I don't believe there should be a minimum wage. Here is the reason. Say I wanted to be an engineer but a company wants 2 years experience. You cannot, by the minimum wage law in the United States, volunteer at a company to gain experience. You can volunteer for a non-profit organization but what is that going to teach you about engineering?

[DanishGreatDane]

@Cheap kid labour = the real reason

[TeaParty1776]

@MrConservative608 Political, non-market working conditions, decrease wages indirectly. Sacrifice is impractical.

[MrConservative608]

@TeaParty1776 There are no regulations you agree with about working conditions in the United States?!?! I think Unions in the United States go extremely too far but they have done some good by making the government pass some regulations (i.e. regulations about the handling of harmful chemicals). Your position, IMO, is completely unbalanced.

[TeaParty1776]

@MrConservative608 All regulations violate the rational political ideal of individual rights. Individual rights protect each individual's freedom to guide his actions with his own mind, free from physical force from others. Man' mind is his basic method of survival, contradicted at his peril. Force is not a substitute for independent judgment. If man's mind is impotent to guide his life, life is nasty, brutish and short. Individuals can judge what jobs, with what risks, to take, without govt.

[TeaParty1776]

@MrConservative608 Unions may or may not be chosen by employees in a capitalist economy. They may be unable to offer more than employers can offer. But politically privileged unions are destructive of all, including their own members.

Job safety is a selling point that employers can offer to potential employees. In capitalism, employees would tend toward the safest employers. Markets Don't Fail-Brian Simpson. Job safety results also from capitalist insurance firms who dont want to pay claims.

[MrConservative608]

@TeaParty1776 Yes, "they [Unions] may be unable to offer more than employers can offer", is true. I live in Madison, WI and stand with Scott Walker on Act 10 which the Union opposition is iconic of what most every Union demand of companies in the right to demand wages & benefits beyond the ability. But I believe that Unions at one point in our history demanded good working conditions but I don't support Unions now which continually brainwash followers that they are almost slaves.

[TeaParty1776]

@MrConservative608 Good working conditions are the product of profit, technology and competition, not unions. Unions developed coincidentally with the increasing prosperity of capitalism and maybe not so coincidentally w/collectivism. Man has free will. Union members choose what to accept and think. Of course, union political privileges allow for political influence over members. Why, given decades of union political privileges, are only 11% of US workers in unions, mostly in govt?

[mdavies97131]

@yeebuddeh1 One inconvenient truth regarding the wage there is that people look at the wages & think of it given OUR price structure. I went to China to teach English for 2 years. My pay, in U.S. Dollars, was $384/month (I went for the experience), which would horrify those ignorant to economic realities. HOWEVER, what you don't hear is that with that pay, I was able to retrofit & insulate my apartment with heating it didn't have, buy 2 game consoles & a big screen TV.

[thebigsky123]

GITMO OBAMA!

[MauiMedicineMan]

This perfectly describes the law of survival of the fittest.

[miturbinesdurti]

Republican Field Head to Head Polling VS Obama

*data from Real Clear Politics (dot) com

Romney: 33 months worth of polling (136 polls total)

28 wins, 14 ties, 94 losses – 20.59% winning percentage

Averages losing to Obama by 1.8%

Gingrich: 21 months worth of polling (71 polls total)

2 wins, 1 ties, 68 losses – 2.82% winning percentage

Averages losing to Obama by 11.0%

Any candidate other than Romney is an easy win for Obama.