I'm a fire service training instructor in England and I think it's great to use equipment in every variation possible. If you practice using your gear the right way you'll pick up good habits, but by demonstrating how things can go wrong if you don't use it the right way leaves an important impression in a firefighters mind which keeps them doing the job right even when they are tired because they know that its better for them in the long run and saves work sorting out problems later. Well done
The key to this load is having the coils of hose 'coiled' to their MINIMUM INSIDE CRITICAL DIAMETER to accommodate 100' coil bundles. It is important the coils are not too small... they must be big enough in diameter... as my patented hose roller/coiler does. Go to 3 w's period hftfire period com I patented this method and the apparatus (roller) to coil and roll fire hose in 2001. Only one fire fighter is needed to load any preconnect in this configuration with the assistance of this device.
Great video and way to experiment and try new things. It would be good to test this with 100' of 2 1/2 with a smoothbore @ 65psi and see what happens.
whats wrong with 1 3/4 ? you can get almost 200 gpm with a smooth bore nozzle. this hose bundle is dropped correctly. a dept near me uses this but they lean it up against the wall so the loops are standing up not laying flat on the floor.
Standpipes are designed (NFPA) around the use of 2 1/2" hose. Look it up... Older high-rises system designed for 65 psi at top floor. Plus many high-rises have PRD or PRV which restrict pressure to 100 PSI max no matter what you supply! So what kinda Gpm you gonna get out of 1 3/4" with fog nozzle if supplying it at only 100 PSI?
If you use a standard hose bundle of 2 1/2" hose and stretch it out in the stairwell you will never need to worry about all this stuff these guys are talking about.
Oh and you say you can get ALMOST 200 GPM out of an 1 3/4"? Have you ever experienced a high-rise fire? Its like being in an oven? HIGH BTU's Meaning you need high gpm and low pressure off the standpipe! 65PSI supplies 100' 2 1/2with 1 1/8 tip 225 GPM.
First off, 1 3/4 line with a fog nozzle for a standpipe fire? You're asking for trouble. Second, With Firefighters on the stairs this will only wind up a mess and there are too many complications that can come out of this way of deployment to mention. Great to drill and see the pros and cons of new ways of doing things. But in this case I think it shows that a 2 1/2 hose flaked out so there is a straight line of hose will greatly improve the saftey of all concerned.
Not to mention debris in standpipe systems WILL get clogged in the fog nozzles! Plus without using a in line gauge you can not supply the proper PSI to the line to ensure your getting the proper GPM.. Plus a wind blown fire will easily push an 1 3/4" attack team right back into the stairs if not burn them to death. WAKE UP!!!
Sensational video. Thanks for your time and effort in carrying out the drills. Its really good to see others who believe in this job and don't just want to "pose" in the uniform!
i have to agree with the people on here, shy would you drop a hose bundle on a landing and not deploy it correctly? Makes no sense to me. Plus, operating charged handlines, deploying them without turnout gear? Doesnt make much sense.
I got kinda lost trying to figure out what you were trying to tell people. Can't really respect it without guys using safety gear, or was that another intentional mistake.
There is literally no situation where these basic laws of physics you first learned when your daddy told you to fill you doggy's water bowl from a gardent hose at age five (5). We are not in the business of storing (folding) our hose on our rigs, but rather deploying (kink free) our hose to deliver as much water as fast and efficient as possible! 3w's.hftfiredotcom
I was going to contain my-self but......After viewing this stupidity I couldn't hold back.
The video regarding the proper use of bundles and how to deploy them was shown and than this retarded version comes out.....Who in thier right mind drops and deploys a hose pack on stairs ? who walks through the center of a bundle being charged ? and finally who pulls a nozzle through a bundle making a knot ? - This video holds no weight, makes no sense, and is just another dig on a decent idea.
As mcuh as it may seem we are 'viewing this stupidity,' I too can't hold back the fact this video was created because of the stubborn anal tendencies firefighters (like myself) have expressed everytime anyone threatens CHANGE to a procedure in place for any length of time! This video IS necessary because of the 'stupid' arguments presented by the IGNORANT. Good JOB!
This was a test of the worst case scenario. Give the guys a break, at least they are being proactive and trying new concepts and are willing to test them.
I'm a fire service training instructor in England and I think it's great to use equipment in every variation possible. If you practice using your gear the right way you'll pick up good habits, but by demonstrating how things can go wrong if you don't use it the right way leaves an important impression in a firefighters mind which keeps them doing the job right even when they are tired because they know that its better for them in the long run and saves work sorting out problems later. Well done
festersfire1 4 days ago
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The key to this load is having the coils of hose 'coiled' to their MINIMUM INSIDE CRITICAL DIAMETER to accommodate 100' coil bundles. It is important the coils are not too small... they must be big enough in diameter... as my patented hose roller/coiler does. Go to 3 w's period hftfire period com I patented this method and the apparatus (roller) to coil and roll fire hose in 2001. Only one fire fighter is needed to load any preconnect in this configuration with the assistance of this device.
hftfire 1 year ago
Great video and way to experiment and try new things. It would be good to test this with 100' of 2 1/2 with a smoothbore @ 65psi and see what happens.
smokeater435 1 year ago
whats wrong with 1 3/4 ? you can get almost 200 gpm with a smooth bore nozzle. this hose bundle is dropped correctly. a dept near me uses this but they lean it up against the wall so the loops are standing up not laying flat on the floor.
resqjason2 2 years ago
Standpipes are designed (NFPA) around the use of 2 1/2" hose. Look it up... Older high-rises system designed for 65 psi at top floor. Plus many high-rises have PRD or PRV which restrict pressure to 100 PSI max no matter what you supply! So what kinda Gpm you gonna get out of 1 3/4" with fog nozzle if supplying it at only 100 PSI?
firemen781 2 years ago
If you use a standard hose bundle of 2 1/2" hose and stretch it out in the stairwell you will never need to worry about all this stuff these guys are talking about.
Oh and you say you can get ALMOST 200 GPM out of an 1 3/4"? Have you ever experienced a high-rise fire? Its like being in an oven? HIGH BTU's Meaning you need high gpm and low pressure off the standpipe! 65PSI supplies 100' 2 1/2with 1 1/8 tip 225 GPM.
firemen781 2 years ago
First off, 1 3/4 line with a fog nozzle for a standpipe fire? You're asking for trouble. Second, With Firefighters on the stairs this will only wind up a mess and there are too many complications that can come out of this way of deployment to mention. Great to drill and see the pros and cons of new ways of doing things. But in this case I think it shows that a 2 1/2 hose flaked out so there is a straight line of hose will greatly improve the saftey of all concerned.
MichaelHarsch 3 years ago
Not to mention debris in standpipe systems WILL get clogged in the fog nozzles! Plus without using a in line gauge you can not supply the proper PSI to the line to ensure your getting the proper GPM.. Plus a wind blown fire will easily push an 1 3/4" attack team right back into the stairs if not burn them to death. WAKE UP!!!
firemen781 2 years ago
Sensational video. Thanks for your time and effort in carrying out the drills. Its really good to see others who believe in this job and don't just want to "pose" in the uniform!
akron1000gpm 3 years ago
i have to agree with the people on here, shy would you drop a hose bundle on a landing and not deploy it correctly? Makes no sense to me. Plus, operating charged handlines, deploying them without turnout gear? Doesnt make much sense.
ffnremt2003 4 years ago
I got kinda lost trying to figure out what you were trying to tell people. Can't really respect it without guys using safety gear, or was that another intentional mistake.
bgbdjn 4 years ago
There is literally no situation where these basic laws of physics you first learned when your daddy told you to fill you doggy's water bowl from a gardent hose at age five (5). We are not in the business of storing (folding) our hose on our rigs, but rather deploying (kink free) our hose to deliver as much water as fast and efficient as possible! 3w's.hftfiredotcom
hftfire 4 years ago 3
I was going to contain my-self but......After viewing this stupidity I couldn't hold back.
The video regarding the proper use of bundles and how to deploy them was shown and than this retarded version comes out.....Who in thier right mind drops and deploys a hose pack on stairs ? who walks through the center of a bundle being charged ? and finally who pulls a nozzle through a bundle making a knot ? - This video holds no weight, makes no sense, and is just another dig on a decent idea.
fireman119 4 years ago
As mcuh as it may seem we are 'viewing this stupidity,' I too can't hold back the fact this video was created because of the stubborn anal tendencies firefighters (like myself) have expressed everytime anyone threatens CHANGE to a procedure in place for any length of time! This video IS necessary because of the 'stupid' arguments presented by the IGNORANT. Good JOB!
hftfire 4 years ago 5
This was a test of the worst case scenario. Give the guys a break, at least they are being proactive and trying new concepts and are willing to test them.
jlm993 4 years ago 4