This is amaZING...until UHDTV/UVD OR WHATEVER NAME THEY COME UP WITH THE 7000x???? THEORETICAL RESOLUTION AND STORAGE MEDIUM ARRIVES IN HMM 5-10 YEARS TIME FROM NOW TO REPLACE BLU RAY AND ALREADY OBSOLTE HD 1080P (PCS CAN RUN DESKTOP DISPLAY RES'OF UP TO 5760x???? RESS. (IF MANUFACTURERS STICK TO SCHEDS)! THIS WILL SOON BE OUTDATED BY THEN...
@jocinondemhaterzmen whoops completely forgot the detail in the video around 1:57 explicitly stating the ability to scale up to 100Gbps theoretical. My bad
@shahabazboss2 probably, as i said, theyre future proofing thunderbolt (ability to "scale up" to 100 Gbps theoretical) so yes it can handle UHDTV in the future if it has achieved that limit, right now, plus it can possibly be replaced again if needed be (UHDTV resolution tests in Tokyo by NHK stretched the bandwidth to 24Gbps, were talking fibreoptic networks here) UHDTV has a theoretical? resolution of 4320p, and needs a 100 inch display to view properly. theyll probably be able to scale down
The reference about people being too lazy or ignorant to do math re: bits vs bytes as in 10 Gb/s . This is a standard that is 40 years old. It has NOTHING to do with image or advertising but rather it goes back to using modems on copper wires....Just the same as there is an odd standard on digital sensors for cameras that use the standard from a kinescope recorder from the 1950s..telecom is conservative and the transmiission of data even over a short cable is a part of that standard.
@jesnels that's just silly.... obviously you are a Mac basher. Many would say TB is a cooler name or at least they are both fine... "much, much better" just shows how imbalanced you are...
@jesnels lol moron I comprehend much more than you. Duh Lightpeak is owned and developed by Intel as is USB ... but like USB Apple will pioneer it's mainstream use (The iMac was the first consumer comp with USB)
Why? Because creative intelligent people that work in AV see fit to use Macs.
@AGeekForever Hey Geek ... I never said exclusively developed. So I wouldn't say I am "wrong". Pretty sure they were developing next Gen Firewire 3200 and then decided to throw their hand in with INtel. Apple have collaborated with other tech in the development and implimentation of many great products.... you guys realise Word, excel, Photoshop, Illustrator etc were all MAc only programs for years right?
@Anavengertg No it doesn't. If you're stupid how would you know if other people are stupid? They'd seems normal to you. Apple users are stupid, therefore they need special names like "apps" and "thunderbolt". How can I explain it to you? Stupid = Slow to learn or understand. God, mac users are so annoying. Go have your self a kernel panic.
@TVperson1 Stupid people attract stupid people. See? Apps are short for applications. Microsoft decided to become morons and started call them programs. Now that Apple is back on top, apps are starting to be called apps again instead of programs.
@Anavengertg Stupid people wouldn't recognise stupid people. Nobody decides to become a moron. They're called programs because you create them by programming, you don't create an "app" by applicating. There were programs before Microsoft, they were no applications before Apple Computer, inc. Besides most things Apple make are targeted at computer illiterate people and we really want them on the internet.
@TVperson1 Lol only morons start spouting that PCs are for programmers, Macs are for computer illiterate people crap. The typical mac user knows MUCH more about computers than the typical PC user. That's a fact.
@Anavengertg Really, I'd ask you where the mac console window is, but I know you'd just google it. I could make many point as to why PCs are better for programmers and advanced users by saying things like they're open systems and can run redhat and oracle, but I know you'll simply ignore my point and make some juvenile comment , so you can have the last word and be the special person you are.
@TVperson1 Lol that's another thing morons argue about. Open systems. That's one of the main things that make PCs crappy. That's also one of the main reasons for the BSOD.
What if you do a high speed data transfer in the same direction as the video display? (another disk array hooked up to the hub) Would video quality degrade and if not, why not?
@chuckiej No, the highest bitrate available on BluRay is 50 MBit/sec I believe (Either that or lower). Lightpeak however features 10 GBit (10240 MBit/sec) in each direction.
There are two separate channels. So, no - no degradation. A Display Port display can 'consume' an entire channel. That leaves 10Gbps for another high speed transfer on the other channel.
A display using Thunderbolt natively may be able to negotiate the use of less than a full channel, particularly on less-than-mongo screens. With the relative differences in scale, this means USB2 ports on displays should be a key perk.
I wish they would stop measuring in Gigabits! It should now be done in MB or GB, just look at the demo - its shown in MB! who the hell knows how fast gigabits are?
@caturn88 You've got to be kidding me. Gigabytes = gigabits * 8, just like every other bit to byte conversion. Google "gigabits in gigabytes" if you're that lazy, google calculator is your friend
@dafrimple What do you mean multiply by eight, who knows that, no one except technology experts. Don't talk daft everybody measures things in MB and GB.. ever heard anyone describe a file in Gb, of course not, not in the real world (or the technical one!).
So where is Google when I'm reading a product box description? On my smartphone, yea right, shut up. Most people will be tricked by this. Is a DVD measured in Gb, not its in GB and that's an approximation.. something like 7GB.. duh!
@dafrimple No, your wrong because nobody will do it. Why do you think OS X will give a file size in MB or GB and never Gb, because that's what people know. Measurements will have to change. If you were in marketing, or maybe just a normal person, you'd understand that.
But like all teckkies who think they know it all, your wrong.
@caturn88 You must be a troll. Windows shows you the size of a file in bytes too. LOL, marketing? Ever wonder why you buy a 300 GB drive and only have 274 GB available? Because the marketing people at drive manufactures think it looks sexier to show 300GB instead of 274 & change. Same thing with light peak, 10Gb/s is sexier than 1.25GB/s
I suppose when computer scientists devised bytes they never envisioned a day when people were too lazy or ignorant to do math. Sry 4 ur trubl
@dafrimple Are you absolutely out of your fucking mind you imbecile, nobody does maths, nobody divides by eight for anything! Don't be so stupid. Of course I know about the File Allocation Table, but you get shown what you have when all is said and done. There is it, nobody says oh where is my 300, they see what they have on the computer and its always in GB.. fine its in Gb too, even KB, but the big number is what people know.
It has to change and btw 1.25 GB is a lot, (ha 768MB in the video!)
@dafrimple It is because Windows has it wrong. A 300GB hard-drive actually stores 300GB, but Windows doesn't show the correct number. Plug the drive into Ubuntu or OS X, and it will show 300GB.
It has to do with the fact that Windows thinks 1 gigabyte is 1024 megabyte, whilst 1 gigabyte is actually 1000 megabyte. But: 1 gibibyte does is 1024 mebibyte. Use Wolfram Alpha / Wikipedia if you don't believe.
So why does Windows use it? For a simple processor, calculating from megabyte to gigabyte using powers of 2 (i.e. 1024) is very simple task. It's a matter of bitshifting. Calculating from megabyte to gigabyte using powers of 10 (i.e. 1000) with a binary system requies quiet a lot of processing. But nowadays, a modern i3/i5/i7 can convert gazillions of such numbers in a matter of microseconds.
@bobbiesmulders Ahh yes, I'm glad that you pointed out the root of this difference is between decimal and binary accounting. I agree that it is antiquated but it's origin had meaning at one time
@dafrimple Wow, are you trolling? Your hard drives read 274gb on a 300gb drive because of the definition of a byte. HDD makers like to use the more metric byte (1000 bytes = 1kb and so on) whereas software developers like to use the more binary byte (1024 bytes = 1kb). It isn't a conspiracy.
And there is a difference between 10Gb/s and 10GB/s. Gb/s is Gigabits per second. GB/s is gigabytes per second. Generally, there are 8 bits in a byte (though this isn't set in stone).
@dafrimple I'm pretty sure the reason a 300 GB turns up as a 274 GB isn't because it looks sexier. It's because there are two standards for measuring memory. The hard drive makers use the IEEE standard which is 1000 megabytes in a gigabyte, while the computer uses 1024 megabytes in a gigabyte.
@candIejac I know, but it means nothing. Look at the CNet coverage, everything is converted into MB and GB and there were a lot of people questioning the real speed of the device (hampered by 6Gbps commercial HDDs) because that's how people measure things.
I don't know how I missed this video from the 1st Dec last year, but anyway its all about Thunderbolt today - Intel's (re-)branding.
The interface thankfully forgoes the ridiculous USB one, a nice small port of which can never be inserted the wrong way and incredibly fast! I am also looking forward to the peripherals which will allow me to get the data off my existing HDDs faster than USB2, like FW800->Thunderbolt.
Is it really.... high speed? This High-Speed Connection is high-speed and .. ummm 10Gigabit a second... ummm .. it's really high-speed. This is a high-speed moderator...
First of all, it's 10 Gb, not GB. (It's actually Gib and GiB since these are base 2 measurements, but we can save that for another time). A gigabit is eight times smaller than a gigabyte. Second, the current Light Peak implementation is copper, not fiber optic. It's still 10 Gbps, just not with fiber optics. Third, the connector is not identical to a USB connector, they're just the same footprint so you can have one port for both uses.
The specifcations for the next apple Macbook just leaked... and they have ligthpeak ports!!! It's a copper adaptation of lightpeak for the moment running at 10GB/s called "Thunderbolt" and is integrated into the mini displayport. This will allow apple to drive massive high res displays with resolutions above 4320p (or 4x 1080p HD)
@unzigoto What they'll eventually do is have a fiber optic cable surrounded by 3-4 copper wires which will proivde power for charging things like iPods. These connectors will have magnetic connectors so they line up properly - Apple filed a patent for such a connector a few days ago. you can search for it if you'd like.
@coolfly005 They are using adapted USB cables with fiber optics running through.... :) Just to demonstrate that the port size/shape doesn't have to change. Apple's Thunderbolt (Lightpeaks' market name) ports (the first to appear in the market, starting tomorrow Feb 24th) will use the mini displayport shape and copper initially, to achieve 10GB/s
yea and it gonna use copper wire with latest news not fiber cable so Intel keep it with u now... its not worth anymore and thx for making us wait 2 year to hear that u guys gonna use copper cable not fiber cable
omg, i'm geeking the hell out. so the connection itself is firewire or usb? i cannot tell. Just doing some research. Trying to find why the iMac wouldn't have support for light peak in '11. This shit is insane!!
Yet another brilliant brain child FROM APPLE, proving once again that THEY know how to think UNIVERSALLY and into the FUTURE instead of simply rehashing the same bullshit from yesterday, only with an incremental number on it.
@AndieMoepse This is in no way apples idea. This is intels. Also notice how the computers they are using, aren't macs. Also if you think that the difference between usb 2.0 and 3.0 was a simple rehash, then you have no idea what you are talking about.
@Trigun929 Get your facts straight and catch a clue, dumbass: engt.co / h96s4X
And I don't see that anyone even mentioned USB, but it IS in fact bullshit and redundant. Even Firewise kicks it's ass! Pfffff... and once LP is out, it'll be even more DEAD that it is already.
@lin2log Yeah.. USB sucks. sucks SO mcuh that Intel refuses to support it in Sandy Bridge chipsets. that's pretty much a deathblow as far as peripherals are concerned.
@dinjin201 To be fair, it's not that USB "sucks" but that it's a dated technology. It served its purpose in advancing computers, but now a successor is around to replace it entirely. This is the same thing that happened to Floppy discs, serial ports, Keyboard/Mouse I/O ports, and so forth.
I'm quite happy it's getting this far however. Would be amazingly convenient to have a single cable to plug in to a laptop and have all devices up and running.
@Trigun929 Actually, it's highly rumored to be inspired by Apple (supposedly pushed by Apple too). There are no other rumors, so I don't know where you got the idea of it being "in no way Apple's idea."
The reason they are using Windows OS is because legally, OS X can only be run on Apple's machines. Again, legally, and being within a reasonable amount of tampering, they can't use Apple's machines. Therefore, they are confined to using a (assuming) custom built machine with Windows OS on it.
@worldofcanon That is correct. Interestingly enough, when they first demoed lightpeak, they used stripped down Mac Pro's with custom motherboards... which is a pretty good indication of partnering with apple and was probably one of their lab machines during initial development.
@Trigun929 Secondly, if Intel were to modify a machine of Apple's for light peak, it would instantly spark interest and attention towards Apple and an upcoming refresh of their machines (including false accusations). As most people know, Apple does not want this, and Intel will gladly respect what they request.
@Trigun929 Now, it is needless to say that just because they are using Windows as their presentation, doesn't mean they aren't working with Apple on incorporating this into their next refresh. Again, it's easier for Intel and preferred by Apple that they use Windows as the presentation.
@Trigun929 It WAS apple's idea. First and foremost, the original demo machines Intel used a year or so before this video came out were mac pros with custom motehrboards. They could not have done that without apple's consent or backing. Lightpeak IS apple's idea. and starting tomorrow, feb 24th, Apple's new macbook pros will be the first to use it. Head over to macrumors and read the confirmed news and leaked pics on lightpeak (called thunderbolt in the market). Initially LP is copper based.
Great evolution, really good direction in technology... but it seems like way more costly (even with big production rates) to implement than plain serial USB3 or 4... Hope it doesn't drive cost up by much
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shahabazboss2 6 months ago
This is amaZING...until UHDTV/UVD OR WHATEVER NAME THEY COME UP WITH THE 7000x???? THEORETICAL RESOLUTION AND STORAGE MEDIUM ARRIVES IN HMM 5-10 YEARS TIME FROM NOW TO REPLACE BLU RAY AND ALREADY OBSOLTE HD 1080P (PCS CAN RUN DESKTOP DISPLAY RES'OF UP TO 5760x???? RESS. (IF MANUFACTURERS STICK TO SCHEDS)! THIS WILL SOON BE OUTDATED BY THEN...
jocinondemhaterzmen 7 months ago
@jocinondemhaterzmen whoops completely forgot the detail in the video around 1:57 explicitly stating the ability to scale up to 100Gbps theoretical. My bad
jocinondemhaterzmen 7 months ago
@jocinondemhaterzmen Sir, can thunderbolt be implemented in UHDV transmission and reception please suggest me if so
shahabazboss2 6 months ago
@shahabazboss2 probably, as i said, theyre future proofing thunderbolt (ability to "scale up" to 100 Gbps theoretical) so yes it can handle UHDTV in the future if it has achieved that limit, right now, plus it can possibly be replaced again if needed be (UHDTV resolution tests in Tokyo by NHK stretched the bandwidth to 24Gbps, were talking fibreoptic networks here) UHDTV has a theoretical? resolution of 4320p, and needs a 100 inch display to view properly. theyll probably be able to scale down
jocinondemhaterzmen 6 months ago
it is thunderbolt, because there is no light :( too expensive but in the future maybe we see light peak.
procekim 11 months ago
Light Peak was the code name of Thunderbolt.
clarification007 1 year ago 2
what's the movie playing called?
drhannibal 1 year ago
I..... NEED.....IT!!!!!
pizzaboy1990 1 year ago
wa ho ho ho! look at that transfer rate 0.o
vishumzn 1 year ago
Why has this taken so long? This should have come 2 years ago. So sick of usb 2.0 speed.
skadd86 1 year ago
@skadd86 then you should have used USB 3.0
SinaniPoke 1 year ago
The reference about people being too lazy or ignorant to do math re: bits vs bytes as in 10 Gb/s . This is a standard that is 40 years old. It has NOTHING to do with image or advertising but rather it goes back to using modems on copper wires....Just the same as there is an odd standard on digital sensors for cameras that use the standard from a kinescope recorder from the 1950s..telecom is conservative and the transmiission of data even over a short cable is a part of that standard.
NeilFiertel 1 year ago
LightPeak is a much, much better name than "Thunderbolt"
jesnels 1 year ago 57
@jesnels Me too, but i think they chose Thunderbolt to avoid the wrong pronunciation in no-english counties. cheers!
brunofscordeiro 1 year ago
@jesnels that's just silly.... obviously you are a Mac basher. Many would say TB is a cooler name or at least they are both fine... "much, much better" just shows how imbalanced you are...
soulrealm1 1 year ago
@soulrealm1 you do realize this has nothing to do with mac right? This is intel's tech and it is not apple proprietary. But you cleary don't...
jesnels 1 year ago
@jesnels lol moron I comprehend much more than you. Duh Lightpeak is owned and developed by Intel as is USB ... but like USB Apple will pioneer it's mainstream use (The iMac was the first consumer comp with USB)
Why? Because creative intelligent people that work in AV see fit to use Macs.
soulrealm1 1 year ago
@soulrealm1 SoulRealm1 your the closest but your both wrong. LightPeak aka ThunderBolt was made in collaboration with Apple/
AGeekForever 1 year ago
@AGeekForever Hey Geek ... I never said exclusively developed. So I wouldn't say I am "wrong". Pretty sure they were developing next Gen Firewire 3200 and then decided to throw their hand in with INtel. Apple have collaborated with other tech in the development and implimentation of many great products.... you guys realise Word, excel, Photoshop, Illustrator etc were all MAc only programs for years right?
soulrealm1 1 year ago
@jesnels
LightPeak is Thunderbolt
OmegaRed377 1 year ago 2
@jesnels
LightPeak is Thunderbolt (renamed by Apple)
OmegaRed377 1 year ago 2
@jesnels Yeah, I think Apple must have named it that for all the stupid people.
TVperson1 9 months ago
@TVperson1 People like you hahahaha.
Anavengertg 5 months ago
@Anavengertg That doesn't make sense you stupid dropkick. Who are you trying to impress?
TVperson1 5 months ago
@TVperson1 It takes a stupid person to call others stupid. =0)
Anavengertg 5 months ago
@Anavengertg No it doesn't. If you're stupid how would you know if other people are stupid? They'd seems normal to you. Apple users are stupid, therefore they need special names like "apps" and "thunderbolt". How can I explain it to you? Stupid = Slow to learn or understand. God, mac users are so annoying. Go have your self a kernel panic.
TVperson1 5 months ago
@TVperson1 Stupid people attract stupid people. See? Apps are short for applications. Microsoft decided to become morons and started call them programs. Now that Apple is back on top, apps are starting to be called apps again instead of programs.
Anavengertg 5 months ago
@Anavengertg Stupid people wouldn't recognise stupid people. Nobody decides to become a moron. They're called programs because you create them by programming, you don't create an "app" by applicating. There were programs before Microsoft, they were no applications before Apple Computer, inc. Besides most things Apple make are targeted at computer illiterate people and we really want them on the internet.
TVperson1 5 months ago
@TVperson1 Lol only morons start spouting that PCs are for programmers, Macs are for computer illiterate people crap. The typical mac user knows MUCH more about computers than the typical PC user. That's a fact.
Anavengertg 5 months ago
@Anavengertg Really, I'd ask you where the mac console window is, but I know you'd just google it. I could make many point as to why PCs are better for programmers and advanced users by saying things like they're open systems and can run redhat and oracle, but I know you'll simply ignore my point and make some juvenile comment , so you can have the last word and be the special person you are.
TVperson1 5 months ago
@TVperson1 Lol that's another thing morons argue about. Open systems. That's one of the main things that make PCs crappy. That's also one of the main reasons for the BSOD.
Anavengertg 5 months ago
@jesnels Lightpeak is the technology. Thunderbolt is that particular port that Apple is pushing.
Anavengertg 5 months ago
@jesnels Fuck yes
TVperson1 3 months ago
i like this, but i wish apple wasn't calling it something else. glad i don't even have to fuck with usb 3, so tired of cpu bound shit
phoneunlisted 1 year ago
What if you do a high speed data transfer in the same direction as the video display? (another disk array hooked up to the hub) Would video quality degrade and if not, why not?
chuckiej 1 year ago 8
@chuckiej No because a bluray movie doesn't use all of the 10Gbps but the file transfer would have to use whats left.
Jhoffer6 1 year ago
@chuckiej No, the highest bitrate available on BluRay is 50 MBit/sec I believe (Either that or lower). Lightpeak however features 10 GBit (10240 MBit/sec) in each direction.
hachre 1 year ago
@chuckiej
There are two separate channels. So, no - no degradation. A Display Port display can 'consume' an entire channel. That leaves 10Gbps for another high speed transfer on the other channel.
A display using Thunderbolt natively may be able to negotiate the use of less than a full channel, particularly on less-than-mongo screens. With the relative differences in scale, this means USB2 ports on displays should be a key perk.
shrikedecil 1 year ago
I hope this is in the next iMac and HDD & SDD makers start using it and the drives don't have the price premium that firewire had.
audience2 1 year ago
I'll show you where the light doesn't peak
ItsTonyAldo 1 year ago
I wish they would stop measuring in Gigabits! It should now be done in MB or GB, just look at the demo - its shown in MB! who the hell knows how fast gigabits are?
Things should now be measured in GB!!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 You've got to be kidding me. Gigabytes = gigabits * 8, just like every other bit to byte conversion. Google "gigabits in gigabytes" if you're that lazy, google calculator is your friend
dafrimple 1 year ago
@dafrimple d'oh! apparently I'm the idiot, change * to /
dafrimple 1 year ago
@dafrimple What do you mean multiply by eight, who knows that, no one except technology experts. Don't talk daft everybody measures things in MB and GB.. ever heard anyone describe a file in Gb, of course not, not in the real world (or the technical one!).
So where is Google when I'm reading a product box description? On my smartphone, yea right, shut up. Most people will be tricked by this. Is a DVD measured in Gb, not its in GB and that's an approximation.. something like 7GB.. duh!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 well now you know, and knowing is half the battle!
dafrimple 1 year ago
@dafrimple No, your wrong because nobody will do it. Why do you think OS X will give a file size in MB or GB and never Gb, because that's what people know. Measurements will have to change. If you were in marketing, or maybe just a normal person, you'd understand that.
But like all teckkies who think they know it all, your wrong.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 You must be a troll. Windows shows you the size of a file in bytes too. LOL, marketing? Ever wonder why you buy a 300 GB drive and only have 274 GB available? Because the marketing people at drive manufactures think it looks sexier to show 300GB instead of 274 & change. Same thing with light peak, 10Gb/s is sexier than 1.25GB/s
I suppose when computer scientists devised bytes they never envisioned a day when people were too lazy or ignorant to do math. Sry 4 ur trubl
dafrimple 1 year ago
@dafrimple Are you absolutely out of your fucking mind you imbecile, nobody does maths, nobody divides by eight for anything! Don't be so stupid. Of course I know about the File Allocation Table, but you get shown what you have when all is said and done. There is it, nobody says oh where is my 300, they see what they have on the computer and its always in GB.. fine its in Gb too, even KB, but the big number is what people know.
It has to change and btw 1.25 GB is a lot, (ha 768MB in the video!)
caturn88 1 year ago
@dafrimple It is because Windows has it wrong. A 300GB hard-drive actually stores 300GB, but Windows doesn't show the correct number. Plug the drive into Ubuntu or OS X, and it will show 300GB.
It has to do with the fact that Windows thinks 1 gigabyte is 1024 megabyte, whilst 1 gigabyte is actually 1000 megabyte. But: 1 gibibyte does is 1024 mebibyte. Use Wolfram Alpha / Wikipedia if you don't believe.
bobbiesmulders 1 year ago
@bobbiesmulders
So why does Windows use it? For a simple processor, calculating from megabyte to gigabyte using powers of 2 (i.e. 1024) is very simple task. It's a matter of bitshifting. Calculating from megabyte to gigabyte using powers of 10 (i.e. 1000) with a binary system requies quiet a lot of processing. But nowadays, a modern i3/i5/i7 can convert gazillions of such numbers in a matter of microseconds.
bobbiesmulders 1 year ago
@bobbiesmulders Ahh yes, I'm glad that you pointed out the root of this difference is between decimal and binary accounting. I agree that it is antiquated but it's origin had meaning at one time
dafrimple 1 year ago
@dafrimple Wow, are you trolling? Your hard drives read 274gb on a 300gb drive because of the definition of a byte. HDD makers like to use the more metric byte (1000 bytes = 1kb and so on) whereas software developers like to use the more binary byte (1024 bytes = 1kb). It isn't a conspiracy.
And there is a difference between 10Gb/s and 10GB/s. Gb/s is Gigabits per second. GB/s is gigabytes per second. Generally, there are 8 bits in a byte (though this isn't set in stone).
burningtoasters 1 year ago
@dafrimple I'm pretty sure the reason a 300 GB turns up as a 274 GB isn't because it looks sexier. It's because there are two standards for measuring memory. The hard drive makers use the IEEE standard which is 1000 megabytes in a gigabyte, while the computer uses 1024 megabytes in a gigabyte.
aziansn4k3 1 year ago
@caturn88 They're not measuring data storage in Gigabits. They're measuring data transfer speeds.
candIejac 1 year ago
@candIejac I know, but it means nothing. Look at the CNet coverage, everything is converted into MB and GB and there were a lot of people questioning the real speed of the device (hampered by 6Gbps commercial HDDs) because that's how people measure things.
A GB file can be measured in Gb.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Are you retired?
candIejac 1 year ago
@candIejac Do you mean retired, or retarded? If your trying to be smart I'd like to see you get out of this one!
caturn88 1 year ago
I don't know how I missed this video from the 1st Dec last year, but anyway its all about Thunderbolt today - Intel's (re-)branding.
The interface thankfully forgoes the ridiculous USB one, a nice small port of which can never be inserted the wrong way and incredibly fast! I am also looking forward to the peripherals which will allow me to get the data off my existing HDDs faster than USB2, like FW800->Thunderbolt.
This was worth waiting for, very glad its here!
caturn88 1 year ago
Is it really.... high speed? This High-Speed Connection is high-speed and .. ummm 10Gigabit a second... ummm .. it's really high-speed. This is a high-speed moderator...
ilduce88 1 year ago
Apple does it again. This is revolutionary!
Touhou1990 1 year ago
@Touhou1990 Intel you mean! :/
VIPatas 1 year ago
Totally buying a drobo when they come out with a light peak/thunderbolt version
AlphaSphere 1 year ago
Mr. Jason Z reminds me of former President Bush whenever he squints :)
ejicon 1 year ago
First of all, it's 10 Gb, not GB. (It's actually Gib and GiB since these are base 2 measurements, but we can save that for another time). A gigabit is eight times smaller than a gigabyte. Second, the current Light Peak implementation is copper, not fiber optic. It's still 10 Gbps, just not with fiber optics. Third, the connector is not identical to a USB connector, they're just the same footprint so you can have one port for both uses.
MHDragon77 1 year ago
The specifcations for the next apple Macbook just leaked... and they have ligthpeak ports!!! It's a copper adaptation of lightpeak for the moment running at 10GB/s called "Thunderbolt" and is integrated into the mini displayport. This will allow apple to drive massive high res displays with resolutions above 4320p (or 4x 1080p HD)
dinjin201 1 year ago
9to5mac
RandomlyDevin 1 year ago
Adding a fiber cable next to the copper cable wouldn't be that expensive, right?
lceus 1 year ago
Actually optical in/out is not yet integrated, that's the reason why they could reach "just" 10Gb/s.
The problem is that optical fiber cannot transport power supply. So by now they are still using copper !
unzigoto 1 year ago
@unzigoto What they'll eventually do is have a fiber optic cable surrounded by 3-4 copper wires which will proivde power for charging things like iPods. These connectors will have magnetic connectors so they line up properly - Apple filed a patent for such a connector a few days ago. you can search for it if you'd like.
dinjin201 1 year ago
are they using USB connectors ?!?! that looked like a USB connector
coolfly005 1 year ago
@coolfly005
usb connector with optical in/out integrated ;)
t4twister1 1 year ago
@coolfly005 They are using adapted USB cables with fiber optics running through.... :) Just to demonstrate that the port size/shape doesn't have to change. Apple's Thunderbolt (Lightpeaks' market name) ports (the first to appear in the market, starting tomorrow Feb 24th) will use the mini displayport shape and copper initially, to achieve 10GB/s
dinjin201 1 year ago
yea and it gonna use copper wire with latest news not fiber cable so Intel keep it with u now... its not worth anymore and thx for making us wait 2 year to hear that u guys gonna use copper cable not fiber cable
tomyloveu 1 year ago
omg, i'm geeking the hell out. so the connection itself is firewire or usb? i cannot tell. Just doing some research. Trying to find why the iMac wouldn't have support for light peak in '11. This shit is insane!!
Jeudaos 1 year ago
waiting badly to come out...
tomyloveu 1 year ago
Yet another brilliant brain child FROM APPLE, proving once again that THEY know how to think UNIVERSALLY and into the FUTURE instead of simply rehashing the same bullshit from yesterday, only with an incremental number on it.
AndieMoepse 1 year ago
@AndieMoepse This is in no way apples idea. This is intels. Also notice how the computers they are using, aren't macs. Also if you think that the difference between usb 2.0 and 3.0 was a simple rehash, then you have no idea what you are talking about.
Trigun929 1 year ago
@Trigun929 Get your facts straight and catch a clue, dumbass: engt.co / h96s4X
And I don't see that anyone even mentioned USB, but it IS in fact bullshit and redundant. Even Firewise kicks it's ass! Pfffff... and once LP is out, it'll be even more DEAD that it is already.
lin2log 1 year ago
@lin2log Yeah.. USB sucks. sucks SO mcuh that Intel refuses to support it in Sandy Bridge chipsets. that's pretty much a deathblow as far as peripherals are concerned.
dinjin201 1 year ago
@dinjin201 To be fair, it's not that USB "sucks" but that it's a dated technology. It served its purpose in advancing computers, but now a successor is around to replace it entirely. This is the same thing that happened to Floppy discs, serial ports, Keyboard/Mouse I/O ports, and so forth.
I'm quite happy it's getting this far however. Would be amazingly convenient to have a single cable to plug in to a laptop and have all devices up and running.
Drakaji 1 year ago
@Trigun929 Actually, it's highly rumored to be inspired by Apple (supposedly pushed by Apple too). There are no other rumors, so I don't know where you got the idea of it being "in no way Apple's idea."
The reason they are using Windows OS is because legally, OS X can only be run on Apple's machines. Again, legally, and being within a reasonable amount of tampering, they can't use Apple's machines. Therefore, they are confined to using a (assuming) custom built machine with Windows OS on it.
worldofcanon 1 year ago
@worldofcanon That is correct. Interestingly enough, when they first demoed lightpeak, they used stripped down Mac Pro's with custom motherboards... which is a pretty good indication of partnering with apple and was probably one of their lab machines during initial development.
dinjin201 1 year ago
@Trigun929 Secondly, if Intel were to modify a machine of Apple's for light peak, it would instantly spark interest and attention towards Apple and an upcoming refresh of their machines (including false accusations). As most people know, Apple does not want this, and Intel will gladly respect what they request.
worldofcanon 1 year ago
@Trigun929 Now, it is needless to say that just because they are using Windows as their presentation, doesn't mean they aren't working with Apple on incorporating this into their next refresh. Again, it's easier for Intel and preferred by Apple that they use Windows as the presentation.
worldofcanon 1 year ago
@Trigun929 It WAS apple's idea. First and foremost, the original demo machines Intel used a year or so before this video came out were mac pros with custom motehrboards. They could not have done that without apple's consent or backing. Lightpeak IS apple's idea. and starting tomorrow, feb 24th, Apple's new macbook pros will be the first to use it. Head over to macrumors and read the confirmed news and leaked pics on lightpeak (called thunderbolt in the market). Initially LP is copper based.
dinjin201 1 year ago
and ....what is the purpose for it...
How boring ..
TheMikesyd 1 year ago
Great evolution, really good direction in technology... but it seems like way more costly (even with big production rates) to implement than plain serial USB3 or 4... Hope it doesn't drive cost up by much
jockeleu 1 year ago
LOL! 100GBs over the Next Decade! Yea Right, More like 1TBs in 10 years if not 10Tbs
At the Extreme Speed I've seen Technology evolve since 2000, we will surely be past 100GBs in 10 years.
Xigmatek 1 year ago
Oh, I know that movie! it's, ummmmmm... Oh! I know it
jacobh1995 1 year ago
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Voiceguardian 1 year ago
awesome but does light peak do power also for like charging while transferring data?
dcn66100 1 year ago
I want now!
igeekone 1 year ago
love it so much!
eugeene42 1 year ago