Have You Ever Read Romans 9? (James White) [1of5]

[StoneCampbellforLife]

Jack Cottrell did an exegesis of Romans chapter nine in his Romans commentary published by College Press. No portion of scripture belongs to any one tradition and though exegesis can illuminate we still have to interpret the text. The title of this video betrays the exact problem that pervades the thinking of James White and others like him: if you don't agree with my interpretation you must not have read the Bible.

[TheKJVberean]

@TCMAO0 Really? Freewill a false gospel? Hmmm...it says free will in the Bible, how then is it false?

[TheKJVberean]

@ChristianTULIP You're absolutely right, I don't know who would argue with that. God loves the Calvinist, but He hates Calvinism.

[TennesseeOwnsMyBones]

Yes I have read Romans 9. From an objective standpoint, that is. That means that I know Paul reached back to a prophecy made in Maleachi 1:2-3. That means I know that 'Esau' does not refer to the individual Esau, but to the Edomites, who helped the Babylonians ransack the Temple in 586 BCE. That means I know that this prophecy was written with a specific group in mind, not an individual, and that the reason for God hating Esau stemmed from the fact that the Edomites helped destroy the Temple.

[canesfan22]

Really like this one Lane, Dr. White has a unique gift for making the complex not so complex.

[FoxifiedNutjob]

Evolution is a real process whether you like it or not. No matter how many lies or mis truths you spout here. Evolution is a real process even if you feel it contradicts your religion. So, if Truth is something that matters to you, then you cannot 'disbelieve' in evolution or preach against it. Then again, if you don't care about lying, deceiving, and misleading others, then you can obviously do and say whatever you want - regardless of whether it's true or not.

[janicehunkin]

The reason that a lot of this sounds confusing and contradictory to other interpretations of your holy book(s), is because what you guys believe is largely absolute horse shit and this guy is either on crack, or is in need of some form of serious psychological help. He consistently says things like; "of course", "obviously" etc when commenting on things so incredibly ambiguous that they can be twisted to any whim or fancy. Sorry guys, but there is no saviour, start enjoying your lives. Peace.

[TCMAO0]

Freewillism is a False Gospel ---> youtube.com/watch?v=ChFyB2_XF5­w

[bluetew37]

Isaiah 65 1-25 v.1 I was ready to respond but no one asked for help... v.2 All day long i opened my arms to a rebellious people...v.12 Now i will destine you for the sword, for when i called you didnt answer. v.12 clearly shows that god orginally wanted to save his people from the sword but since they refused (freewill) to respond,God chose to destine them for the sword. "Now I will destine you" is a action taking place not preordained or predetermined

[bluetew37]

since James White has disabled comments on his videos Ill respond here. The evidence against Mr. White and his comments on Norm Gieslers," Why im not a five point calvanist," is clearly seen to one who is seeking truth. The way White mockingly says" God loves everybody and tries to save everyone. God is giving it his best, he is really trying so we got to give him credit" disturbs me as blasphemy. Here r some verses that disprove Mr. White.. Matt. 23:37-39 2 Peter 3:9 Isaiah 65:1-25 v. 1,2,12

[AgApE010]

@sbgrox11

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What about it is rubbish?

[CarmineFragione]

For God to "Foreknow" means according to the Marital Act, Intimacy of such Intercourse, God made love to Israel, while she as a woman betrothed to the man,

her husband being God, played the Harlot and did foolish things of beguilements

due to her youth and beauty, and even periods of insanity, all due to her being in love with her own idealized view of her husband, whom she never yet knew. And so "Foreknew" is not about being chosen, but actually having been loved

intimately.

[CarmineFragione]

Paul spoke about a partial blindness come upon the Jews, as an act of Jealousy for the God of Israel. And this blindness made the opportunity for the Gentiles to come into Israel, while the first wife, the Jews, were beguiled by Jealousy. And God is a Jealous God. God foreknew the Jews, meaning, God intimately loved them and was their Husband, while they played the harlot, and was in love with an image of God, out of speculations of Oral Traditions, just as Eve was beguiled by Serpent

[CarmineFragione]

The Jews have been Jealous for God, but according to their view, not God's view. 1Samuel 8:7 "And the Lord said, "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; It is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their King." It was not that the Jews did not want Yahweh God as their Messiah King of Israel, but that they could not bring themselves to believe it could be true. Balaam made a false oracle in Numbers 23 to suggest God could not appear as a man, even if he wanted

[CarmineFragione]

The rejection of Christ by the Jews does not amount to a rejection of the Love of God , which God foreknew the People by. It is as if the Husband loves the Wife, but the Wife cannot bring herself to believe it is true, but inside her heart, she really loves her husband. So the type of rejection the Jews brought about was a jealousy torn between the idealized view of God they bore in their own minds, and the True God Himself. "Foreknew" means God loved them first, before they understood

[IHEAVYPRINCE]

yes

[wonone100]

How many have tried to give their "thorough exegesis" of Romans?

They all have different interpretations of the book. We are to study to show ourselves approved to God.

No one can study for me I have to study for myself as says the Bible.

May God help this man.

[wonone100]

James White thinks everyone is wrong except him, which in itself is wrong. I won't listen to him.

He disables anyone commenting on his videos and I can see why he knows most do not agree with him.

I won't listen to one word he says! He is self-righteous.

[inqisit0r]

@aTrueHybrid Also, if Paul had the opportunity, hed probably discuss the supposed "infalliability" of evolution and therefore, God does not exist?

[inqisit0r]

@aTrueHybrid Paul's letters and his epistle is riddled with tests of faith requiring revelation (which Paul was abundant with) and faith. All these questions have justified answers.

eg, ppl who have never sinned in the past have still died (To an extent, consider Job's affliction), God's law gives sin power, for without the law, sin would have no power. No one has ascended to heaven but Christ, when ppl die they are just dust, nothing.

[TrustyJP]

Absolutely God is Sovereign. Amen! God is so sovereign that He can decide that Gentiles too can be a part of His covenant people regardless of what some Jews may think about it. That is the point.

Romans 9:3-4 Means what follows after is to the Jews. Thus, Paul recounts 2000 some odd years of history.

Romans 10:1 says so "...they may be saved." Note, this does NOT say, "...to explain how they're/we're saved."

Thus, anything James White contends that Romans 9 means here is false.

[rake65]

I think Paul was pretty clear in what he was saying.

God is Sovereign......

[TrustyJP]

Wow...Paul knows the phrase "before the foundation of the world, as in Eph. 1:4) That phrase is nowhere in Romans 8:28-30. Romans 11 does tell us who God foreknew...the true Israel saints in the OT. The same goes for Romans 8:29-30

Eisegesis....Good job James, you blew it again.

[bigguitar22]

Why are we debating a book which has no author. Who cares what Romans 9says. It was compiled by men like the rest of the bible. Live your lives by what you see and feel in your lives not by a book cobbled together by mediaevel power brokers. Where is your intelligence!

[tokr72]

these peoples are not burning in hell collectively. their ideas, values, and spirit were washed away in christs suffering for us. idolotry was annihilated. the gentiles were ignorant of him. yet they belong to him, as all do. The Lords grace is unsearchably deep. Grace=free gift. sinners lose not your hope. glory in mankinds collective salvation and give thanks.

[tokr72]

In explanation of God's enemies, ie: Idolotrous civilizations, culture, and peoples, and his anger and fury against them. the word of the bible is spirit. The lord did as he proposed to do, These cultures, peoples were cut off from the face of the earth long ago. Their ideology and idolotry were destroyed utterly. God's fury and wrath were fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ. His fury became mankinds salvation, and his word went out conquering and to conquer. they could not compete w/him.

[chronicmango]

Just a quick question. The whole question of foreknowledge is "addressed" here, and the only reason I quote it is this, he claims that foreknowledge is actually a verb, yet gives no support what-so-ever for it. I have some Greek professors that I'm sure would disagree... now I'm not saying he's wrong per se, but just that I need some proof to legitimize such a claim. :)

[godissoverign1]

The point being put forward that forknew is a verb is substantiated by the fact that Rom8:29 uses it in this way. The context is those who are called according to HIS purpose in verse 28. The golden chain of redemption in 29-30 are all actions of God. God is said to foreknow, predestinate, call, justify, and glorify in these verses. These acts are clearly personal and clearly in reference to salvation. Foreknew here refers to the personal nature of the relationship between God and his elect

[PEPCIS]

The Greek word used in Romans 8 is proginosko, which is the verb form of the word. It shows that God causing the events of the future to result in His knowing of them. This is supported further by the fact that all the other things that God is doing (predestinating, sanctifying, glorifying) are all verbs. It is consistent to understand "foreknow" as a verb, just as it is logical to understand "predestinate" as a verb, and "glorify" as a verb, and "sanctify" as a verb.

[gr8deals2do]

PEPCIS and godissoverign1, thanks for your comments...

shalom :o)

[FaithfulAndTrue100]

Look at how the word know/knew is used in Genesis.

4:1 "Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain"

4:17 "And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch."

4:25 "And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth"

It doesn't mean to have knowledge, it means to love.

[chronicmango]

If you're going to use something like this, use multiple translations... this is an Old English idiom for having sex, it means an intimate knowledge, one you can't get through Gnosco (to know)... the Septuagint doesn't use the same verb for sex as it does for knowledge. Sorry boss... any translation besides the King James Version won't translate it the same way.

[florinu123]

sorry, the word KNOW in all the pasages you cited speak of SEXUAL INTERCOURSE. there is no such relationship between us and YHWH.

[blueskunk12]

Having trouble listening to this as well. This guy seems to spend a very long time saying absolutely nothing.

Looks like I need to spend less time sitting in front of my computer and more time praying on my knees.

[LaneCh]

Perhaps you can pray that you no longer have trouble listening to this if it is indeed God's will that you understand the subject matter in this video.

[blueskunk12]

I am too infantile to listen to this yet. But I have listened to other messages from this man.

And this is the first time I've listened to a Preacher and been scared.

So maybe there is hope for me.

[LaneCh]

There is definitely hope for you.

Have you heard of Paul Washer? If not, you might want to look up a few sermons of his on my channel. I believe you'll find him helpful.

[blueskunk12]

Yes, that's who I meant.

It's the first time I've heard that I've never done anything but sin.

[REVELATION4510434]

The saving grace of God purposing to save some allowing others to remain in their sins ; Humbled by the merciful prerogative of a God, who determines to save a Jacob: no better than Esau. Jacob & Esau both deserve hell. But God demonstrates His love for Jacob, despite his ungodliness, who is the recipient of Gods grace. Jacob was not seeking God. God loved & sought him. Had God not intervened & saved any we would all be destined for hell.

[Excappare]

You won't find much hope listening to men in these latter days. 1Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings

1Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Read a real Bible after repentance and find Everlasting Hope.

[CBALLEN]

I used to be an arminiast,but scripture did not make sense in that light.Since God has shown me the truth everything makes sense.I know how people feel that don't believe in the doctrine of Grace,it is pretty Earth shattering once God reveals it.

[spartacus6839]

Have a look and see what Protestant Preachers dont want you to see.

Google "Unity Publishing" Click under  "The Mass the Bible".

[pantheon777]

We R N fact called to question/challenge/bargan with God (the story of Abraham wresting with the angles is just one example). The hebrew word for Salvation in closer 2 "to make whole" in the same way the hebrew word 'shalom' does i.e. it is closer to 'fulfillment' or the Greek philosphical concept of 'Happiness' which is distinct from the emotion of happiness.

[sevideos]

Read ROM 9-11. If Romans 9 is indeed about election of individuals, then why in ROM 10:1 does Paul say his desire is that they may be saved? Ro11:7 the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. The fate of the non-elect blinded by God is: Ro11:11 have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy. Ro 11:14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. Paul wants non-elect Jews saved!

[derekftaylor]

I feel like the arguments FOR Romans 9 being viewed in the light of God's plan for Israel and the nations is much stronger than the rebuttals to that theory described in this video. I'm going to listen to this again, but to be honest, it's hard to hear what you're saying, James, when you spend half the video almost yelling. I'm just making an honest assessment as I'm searching for answers.

[formerutuber]

Genesis 50:20, Acts 2:23, Acts 4:27,28

[SecretPlaceDweller91]

Amen.

[exodusx599]

Excellent.

[ChristianTULIP]

God loves the Calvinist! Pass it on!

[parakeethands]

yes, God loves Christ and the elect in Him! amen.

[Jesrael1986M]

God loves all men - even His enemies.

[parakeethands]

"God loves all men - even His enemies"....have you ever read Jacob I loved and Esau I hated? The context here is pointing to God choosing Jacob for intimate fellowship while passing over Esau and his descendants who were idolatrous. Read Psalm 21 : 8 - 12 where David clearly writes of the enemies of God and their doom. "You shall make them as a fiery oven in the time of Your anger, their offspring You shall destroy from the earth, You will make Your arrows on Your string toward their faces."

[parakeethands]

Please read "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" by Jonathan Edwards and I think you might think differently about God's attitude toward His enemies. God is angry with the wicked everyday. In due time their foot shall slip, they shall stumble and their will be no one able to help them. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. If God loved His enemies like He loves the elect then He would save them as well and there would be no point in making a distinction.

[Natester27]

This is the devil speaking.

[IsJawn]

to "foreknow" is a Hebrew idiom which means "to love before hand"

[brianlovett]

Questions abounding- let me get one more out! So when you come to the words us,you,we,etc these are used to refer to the ones "chosen" as outlined in God's plan as rolled out in Eph 1, 2 ? This is serious stuff to ascertain.

[brianlovett]

As an extension, real quick, it appears "you" is used alot in regards to "the elected or chosen".....so many thoughts running through my mind....now I'm starting to see why my past witnessing attempts brought discouragement as I wasn't seeing as clearly how God has ordained things.

[brianlovett]

Praise God. I'm a new Christian and am really understanding better what Scripture really tells. I see how many are opposed to this chosen or election but how so when scripture cleary reveals it! As to such pronouns as all,everyone,us,you, etc, one obviously must look into historical texts and outside American meaning of words to receive God's true intent of communicating. Again, I'm very young in gaining deeper understanding. God appoints and acts as He wills for His purpose and glory.

[LaneCh]

You should be concerned, aTrueHybrid, because your objection is the exact same objection that Paul addresses in Romans 9 after he finishes explaining that God raises up people to do his will:

"What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! ...

You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" "

(Rom 9:14;19-20)

[SecretPlaceDweller91]

Amen Lane!

[agentorangetechno]

Thats the most common response i get.

"its not fair!"

Then I say "is there injustice with God?"

Then I say it alot more times to others.

[lauddyboi]

what right does the clay have to say to the potter "why did u make me this way?" can not the potter do whatever He pleases with the clay? is my response to "its not fair!"

[derekftaylor]

That may be true - but those who expect fairness and limit God's sovereignty don't understand an accurate arminian position either. It is a classic straw man argument 5 point Calvinists use to falsely claim that it only they who truly believe in God's ultimate sovereignty or that only they believe that God overrules man's sense of fairness.

[Argle2]

Can someone please tell me where the idea that 'foreknew' is anything more than 'before'-'knowing'? The two parts of the word are exactly the same as the Greek word's parts; even the order is correct... That is, unless I've got some deranged way of reading Greek dictionaries.

I have no reason to be bothered by any more man-made claims, so unless someone shows me as mistaken, I'm just gonna save my time and not watch the rest of this video which is probably filled with more baseless claims.

[dawgbear06]

'Before'-'knowing' is correct; it's the definition of "knowing" that tells the full meaning. When Adam "knew" Eve in Gen 4:1, was it referring to just knowledge of her(or what she does) or an intimate relationship with her? God knew intimately those He chose to save before time began, not knew of them.

Claiming that God decided to save someone because He knew that they would put faith in Christ cancels verses like Eph 2:8-9, because it would depend on a good work - placing faith in Christ.

[Argle2]

Is that really what Paul means by 'good works'? The 'gift of God' is salvation, and the salvation comes 'through faith,' not 'through God randomly picking you from before the foundation of time and bringing you irresistibly to faith.' Again, I ask -- Is having a certain state of mind really a 'work'?

[dawgbear06]

Faith is a gift that is not given to everyone (2 Thess 3:2). Repentance is a gift (Acts 11:18)(2Tim 2:25). God didn't randomly pick either. He chose according to the good pleasure of His will (Eph 1:5). Those that put faith in Christ, have that same faith because of His choosing.

Faith is not just a state of mind, it is substantiated by actions (fruit of the Spirit worked out) and is a repentant faith. It is not just a continuing thought. It can't be separated from it's effects (James 2:17-26)

[Argle2]

Also, the 'know' used in Genesis can have that further meaning and so can the know in Romans, but just because one 'know' is used one way in a different part/language of the Bible doesn't mean that the 'know' in Romans is necessarily the same... I'm not sure if that's what you were saying, but I took it that way...

[dawgbear06]

The point is that there are different meanings based on the context. We have to look at the context in Romans 9, then the larger context to find out the meaning. In the context of Romans 9, why would you say that "know" in that spot means what you say it means? What in its context makes you come to that conclusion?

[dawgbear06]

cont'd...Plus, if it were dependent on some foreseen faith, then it would mean that we were in some part worthy of salvation, and we know that isn't true

[Theologica37]

James 2:24, 28

[tipsband004]

Out of context. In context it is saying the fruit of belief is works. We know from verses Eph 2:8-9 that faith is a gift of God.

Also see John 6:29 when Jesus says: "The WORK of God is this: to believe in the one He has sent".

Our belief in God is a work. Our faith in God is a gift. If there is any question as to when exactly we are saved it is answered in verses like Ephesians 2:5 "He made us alive in Christ even WHEN WE WERE DEAD IN OUR TRANSGRESSIONS".

We didn't lift a finger.

[twobtaz1]

alright, look at the Ephesians chapters 1 and 2 you gave me earlier. if you read them carefully, you will see were paul is talking to two different groups of people.the first group are the saints( the predestined and chosen) the second is the faithful in Christ Jesus ( all who heard the Gospel preached by the elect and believed in Christ.) which after believing the gospel are GRAFTED into the olive tree and joint heirs with the predestined elect.

[twobtaz1]

I believe i already did! read Romans as a whole letter not just certain verses or chapters. pay close attention to the beginning of chapter 7 and to chapter 11:13. also when Romans quotes old testament scriptures, especially in chapter 7-11, please take the time to look at them in regards to what romans as a whole is saying.

[LaneCh]

The reason I asked is because if that's the Scripture you're providing as "proof texts", then you should have something else to back up what you're saying. Using those Scriptures to back up your assertions is weak because using those obligates you to ignore other passages.

[twobtaz1]

no it doesn't, if you would read romans as a whole letter, not just the passages you want to prove, you would see what pual is saying to the jews, individually, and also to the Gentiles individually.

[LaneCh]

Provide Scripture to back up your assertion.

[twobtaz1]

please read romans chapter 7, this explains who( the jews who know the law) paul is talking to all the way through to chapter 11:13. God's chosen people, His elect, are the jewish Irealites! Even in the old tesament God CHOSE Isreal out of all the nations for His people. God sent His only begotten Son, so WHOSOEVER ( all mankind) BELIEVE in Him will not perish.

[LaneCh]

For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel,

(Rom. 9:6b)

[twobtaz1]

that's right, continue through romans 9:7-13 it explains the ones (of Isreal) who God calls. His elect.

[LaneCh]

So I'm confused now... you don't believe that all the Jews are going to be saved?

[twobtaz1]

Not all jews are God's people. (The ones he chose, predestined, and elected) but He sent His Son so ALL MEN, including the jews that He didn't choose, can be saved.

[LaneCh]

"but He sent His Son so ALL MEN, including the jews that He didn't choose, can be saved."

That completely contradicts passages like Romans 8, John 6, and Eph. 1 and 2.

[valambiguous]

Spiritually inspiring for sure!!

[jsktheflash]

Truly outstanding!!!

[5ptcalv]

Catylist8,

You show yourself to be aggravated about the truth and want to hold on to you can do something to earn salvation. Number two, his argument is completely convincing. The apostles did not choose Christ, he chose them. Fallen men always want say they can do something to earn heaven. Perhaps the shoe fits? "All that the father gives to me will come to me"! Sounds like the Father gave the Son a people. God is almighty, his will will be done and that is to save his sheep completely.

[catalyst8]

Exactly what are White's academic & theological qualifications that make him think he is qualified to reinterpret the Bible?

The argument proposed by White is completely baseless, and lacking in any sophistication whatsoever - it wouldn't even convince an inquisitive twelve year old.

One has to wonder firstly what White's IQ is, and secondly by how many points lower that of his intended audience is. Tabloid readers who never made it to secondary education perhaps?

[LaneCh]

He actually teaches Greek at a university and is working on his third doctorate. Not that that gives him credit solely because of that because there are many quacks with doctorates, but you did ask for theological and academic qualifications...

[patrox247]

Catalyst do you have any Biblical based argumentation that you would like to introduce, or are you content with slandering Mr Whites character. If in fact Mr Whites IQ is as low as you say, you should have little to no problem in quickly defeating his infantile argumentation. I won't hold my breath on a reply, but thank you for demonstrating once again that when ones tradition and man based theology are challenged, the most common response is to call your opponent a "stupid poopy head".

[JDtheMusicMan]

God has chosen the elect and Christ saved the elect. It is a hard thing for some people to believe this because they want to believe that it is to some merit to themselves that they are saved. The reformed doctrine gives the glory to God and Christ, not to humans who deserve nothing but the wrath of God for sin. All glory to God for saving those whom He chooses for salvation.

[123redred123]

I am not sure which part of the series it is on, however, my question is in reference to Romans 9. Since it says those of the promise are Israel, and Romans 2:29 says a man is a Jew(of the tribe of Judah (origin of word "Jew") and/or Israel) by circumcision of the heart and in the spirit, does this mean all children of the promise, the chose, are now considered Israel? and/or of the tribe of Judah? or neither? Thank you. may The Lord bless you.

[passport287]

One minute "the originals" say this/don't have that...

The next "look at the verse [in English]"...

More flip-flopping from Mr. White...

[LaneCh]

Huh? Can you elaborate more?  I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to.

[PotandTorch]

wow, is this your way of discrediting the exegesis of this passage? If so give yourself a pat on the back.

[jefhogan]

tomorrow:) gotta run. God bless

[jefhogan]

did you read my last post??? i said the same thing you just did. we cant come on our own but must be called. how then could i possibly be a universalist? i believe that was intended to provoke. WE MUST BE CALLED! but when we are called we also must REPENT. how could God have made that more clear? some are called who reject Him, some REPENT and believe. very simple.

[LaneCh]

I'm responding to all of your comments in context. You earlier said something about election being false. I am correcting you by presenting John 6:44 which says that "No man is able to come to Jesus Christ unless God draws the man and God will raise him up at the last day." Do you hold that everyone will be raised in Christ at the last day?

[dtaibkz]

ah, but Jeff, it takes faith to repent. Sinners don't have faith. Faith is a gift and is not something we 'work up' on our own.

God actively gives the elect faith, and gives us life so that we can make a choice to repent and turn to His Son.

The Father passes over and does not give the gift of faith to those who chose NOT to repent. However, by ourselves and without Gods direct intervention, all of us would reject Him. Repentance is necessary, but its a sign of faith, and thats from God.

[wuebbsco]

Hi Jef. I know I am writing this 3 months after your post, but I really wanted to comment on your comment! It seems You beleive that All are called by God, but some reject Him in His calling, is this correct? Do you also beleive that a sinner can only be justified by sincere faith alone in Christ? I want to verify your understanding of scripture before I move on with my other question. Thanks Jef. God bless

[jefhogan]

of course a person doesnt contrive repentance. they are drawn by the Holy Spirit who convicts their heart. They are then to Repent (and be baptized if you want to get technical) for the forgiveness of their sins. We must respond to His gracious wooing and we will be saved. not because of our works but because of our obedience in responding to the call of the Holy Spirit.

[LaneCh]

How do you explain John 6:44?

No man can come to me, except the Father who has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(Joh 6:44)

(Can is a word of ability. If you take this verse exegetically, then it appears that not every man can come to Christ much less will unless you are a universalist and believe that everyone will be raised up in Christ on the last day.

[jefhogan]

Lane, does a sinner have to Repent to be saved? Does he have to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ?

[LaneCh]

Of course. The question is why does he, though? In other words is faith and repentance a gift from God or is it a work a person contrives?

[jefhogan]

"Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." thank you for making my point! IF you call on the name of the Lord you will we saved...indicative of what will happen if you do what the Word tells you to do to be saved! We ARE on the same page!

[LaneCh]

Umm... an indicative is a statement of fact. An imperative is a command to do something? Where in Romans 10:11-13 do you find an imperative statement?

[jefhogan]

Romans 10, which clarifies:

11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

the only way to think that this scripture supports election is to have an agenda and a determination to support your doctrine in spite of the facts. it is so clear and so gracious. Thank God!

[LaneCh]

"the only way to think that this scripture supports election is to have an agenda and a determination to support your doctrine in spite of the facts. it is so clear and so gracious. Thank God!"

I have no idea where you are getting that from. The verses you shared are indicatives, not imperatives.

[chestertonrules]

I Prefer Romans 10, which clarifies:

11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

[LaneCh]

Just trying to clarify:

Are you insinuating that Romans 10 somehow contradicts Romans 9 or are you just adding to the argument given in the video?

[waynegm]

He should read Romans chapter 11 to go along with Chapter 9 - :) and Philipians 1:6 to go along with Chapter 9 - but He didnt or wont

[LaneCh]

How does Romans 11 and Php 1:6 change anything mentioned in this video?

[Brian72677]

Name calling? That just shows that James is right or you would have an actual rebuttle.

[glory22ei]

God is Sovereign... Arminians are Heretics.

[jgrig2]

thats just rude calvinism... Pelegians are heretics, arminians are just wrong.

[Blaze25z]

Great stuff Lane...! Thanks!

[reformedman]

I'm glad pastor White decided to speak on this. I just spoke to someone this morning concerning this topic in this chapter. Thanks Lane.