Animal Experimentation - Opinions of Those For and Those Against - Part 1

[pebbles92able]

there is absolutely different alternatives to the use for testing other than vivisection, covance research, necrospy. There is a way to clone micro-orgasms, human cells, tissue and so forth examined in a lab dish. There is no need to torture these sentient beings just to find a cure that is insignificant to humans as it is. These animals advocators are not terrorist they are just trying to save lives!

[jp03921]

I just never understood the mindset that people have that animals are somehow less than us. I understand if animal testing has maybe done a few positive things, but if there are other alternative, then let's stop this. It's just selfish of us.

[devilsway100]

lol at that dumb fag fuck animal testing

[batcountryrabid]

Rabbits and humans are not the same animal. You can't do AIDS research on a dog. Splenda caused so much damage to mice, but doesn't do jack to humans. Most companies do just fine without experimentation. Besides, we can donate skin cells, and if worse comes to worse, experiment on death row prisoners.

[almostskater3210]

@batcountryrabid

You're sick trying to replace animals with humans as if animals have any better morals than the killer.

[TheArcherofire]

Harvey went on to prove how the blood circulated in a circle by means of countless experiments initially done on serpents and fish: tying their veins and arteries in separate periods of time, Harvey noticed the modifications which occurred; indeed, as he tied the veins, the heart would become empty, while as he did the same to the arteries, the organ would swell up.

[batcountryrabid]

@TheArcherofire TL;DR

[TheArcherofire]

Galvani dissected a frog at a table where he had been conducting experiments with static electricity. Galvani's assistant touched an exposed sciatic nerve of the frog with a metal scalpel, which had picked up a charge. At that moment, they saw sparks and the dead frog's leg kick as if in life. The observation made Galvani the first investigator to appreciate the relationship between electricity and animation — or life

[TheArcherofire]

Between 1901 and 1910, Alexis Carrel, using experimental animals, performed

every feat and developed every technique known to vascular surgery today.

Unmodified or regular insulin was processed from porcine and bovine pancreas and was the only type of insulin available for clinical use until the mid-1930s More than 100,000 monkeys were killed in the course of developing the polio vaccines. One rhesus monkey, when killed, supplied sixty-five doses of vaccine.

[noratmedicine]

There is no "for"...“Animal studies are done for legal reasons and not for scientific reasons. The predictive value of such studies for man is meaningless.”; - Dr James D. Gallagher; Director of Medical Research; Lederle Laboratories; Journal of the American Medical Association; March 14 1964.;

curedisease. net

[honda27crv]

Very sad to see college students supporting animal testing, do u not know that god gives life and everything on the earth god has made? What will you answer when god himself asks why you tortured his creation?

[ShroedingerWatcher]

I asked a colleague who doesn't even know about Pro-Test to go look up his site a month or so ago, just to see what he would say. He says this Holder guy is self contradictory, says one thing in one part, the opposite in the next part.

[irishveganboy]

Animal experiments are unreliable, unethical and uneccessary

[jeffmagic32]

@irishveganboy

I, and countless millions of others, would be dead without experimentation on animals.  This is a fact.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

@jeffmagic32 And lets keep the whole world thinking that right kids!

[noratmedicine]

It does not work anyway...Flemming himself:

How fortunate we didn’t have these animal tests in the 1940’s, for penicillin would probably never been granted a license, and possibly the whole field of antibiotics might never have been realized."

1987

Drugs known to damage the human foetus are found to be safe in 70% of cases when tried on primates. Developmental Toxicology: Mechanisms and Risk, p313, McLachlan, Pratt, and Markert (Eds).

curedisease. net

[jeffmagic32]

@1tsMeRenee

you are a moral idiot

[RotisserieiJamie]

@1tsMeRenee , okay.

[noratmedicine]

"Animal studies are done for legal reasons and not for scientific reasons. The predictive value of such studies for man is meaningless.”; - Dr James D. Gallagher; Director of Medical Research; Lederle Laboratories; Journal of the American Medical Association; March 14 1964.; It harms humans. Supporters of it cannot win on fact so have paid for the promotion of the animal rights token opposition. Google "ajudem nos singer rockefeller vivisection" for real science start with curedisease . net

[RotisserieiJamie]

Save the animals! Save our planet be veg <3. Stop the torture of animals testing.

[plustheMIC]

Tom Holder is such a goof

[speakingofresearch]

@1tsMeRenee I realise animals are used prior to release for safety tests, but these tests are only to get it to clinical testing. I'm saying that these drugs have been passed safe in humans before they are released onto the market.

You would not test antibiotics in Guinea pigs because we understand that the intestinal flora (found in guinea pigs) are killed off by the antibiotics. Humans do not have these same intestinal flora. Guinea pigs however are a good model for TB in humans.

[speakingofresearch]

Ok, let's get one thing clear - NO DRUG is released as "safe" onto the market on the basis of animal tests - they are released on the basis of clinical trials in humans.

Thalidomide, Vioxx and a small number of other drugs, which have had severe adverse affects in humans, all passed safety tests in humans (as well as in animals, as well as in cell cultures). It should be noted that the animal tests for thalidomide was the basis of the drug never being used in the US.

[Avionicgenius]

@1tsMeRenee wtf is wrong with you? Go change the mindset of someone else because I don't condone physical aggression against other people, it just gives animal rights activists bad reputation!!! Your claims of God and souls makes you unworthy of my time. You can die at the age of 30 because of no medical knowledge, but I will not walk that path. Goodbye

[Avionicgenius]

@1tsMeRenee For you....maybe it is about the money. That's why I don't have time for this, so I'll be blunt. It's simply alternative perception. I see research 4 life altering drugs that help people. You see torture. Yet you benefit from the research and don't know it. Finally because i believe in the greater good I think the benefits that vet's have got out of this is helping to treat animals and pets that wouldn't have been saved decades ago. Or should we just let God kill a cat hit by a car?

[lotussypringa]

@1tsMeRenee I never said that I agree with animal torture. But since you seem to be a little slow, I said that violence against researchers won't solve it.

[lotussypringa]

the guy on 2:30 was very smart on how he chose his words. I agree that they should not get to the point to terrorize and harm researchers, that won't solve it.

[abcdefghij405]

animal testing is wroung!

[AmericanDream1776]

OMG! Fuck you, you bastard! That Tom guy needs shooting. I think humans should be tested on and I would happily see humans being experimented on.

[DrCockStar]

test humans!

[Avionicgenius]

It's not about the money, and the researchers get paid peanuts. I think it's their resentment of the rich..clever and successful, therefore this image of compasion towards animals is merely a veil over their hatred of opulence.

[ZennLa13]

Are you kidding me? What a ridiculous comment.

[TheLyther]

Animal testing is so beneficial.

[peinsama666]

@TheLyther

Yeah, to evil pigs like you. Go get yourself tested...die for all I care.

[djbethell]

He talks about hundreds of events in the UK and he's talking out of his arse. They weren't hundreds a year of He's talking about one incident. "Grave-robbings" it happened once! There was no "one day of the British public saying no more". The majority of people in the UK are against animal-experimentation.

I am disgusted to see this silly man lying through his teeth. It makes me more determined to see the end of his actions and the end of his horror world.

[djbethell]

David Jentsch is a creepy looking guy. What is going on with his eye-brows? I find it particularly odd how he moans about his car when he does the most twisted things imaginable to primates behind closed doors. Only a sadist can put a car before a sentient-being when talking about the rights and wrongs in this world. Tom Holder: "No more to the burning of cars...!!!" Is he kidding. I live in the UK and he's talking so much crap. The british public never said any such thing. He's a propangandist.

[djbethell]

Vivisectors: show it all if you have really believe what you are doing is perfectly OK.

Let us see the truth if you believe it is not wrong.

Let us see and let us judge what you do.

You hide it all because you know it's disgusting. You hide like the Nazis hid what they did to the Jews.

[jeffmagic32]

Animal research saved my life, and the lives of millions and millions of others. Do not let these animal rights terrorist wackos stop you from the brave work that you do.

[RotisserieiJamie]

@jeffmagic32, are you a Nazi? Go die. Fuck you for supporting the torture. Maybe someone should torture you and your family.

[jeffmagic32]

@RotisserieiJamie

Like you, Hitler was also an animal rights fanatic. When one starts to equate animal life with human life, all morality gets horribly perverted. Save a chicken, kill a jew? Sure, why not?

[RotisserieiJamie]

@jeffmagic32, I laughed when I read that Hitler killed himself. What the fuck are you talking about? Hitler was a dictator. He used violence to get people to obey. He wanted to make his country the best and he failed. He took over a lot of places. He brain washed people into killing the jews. He didn't kill people for animals. He killed them because he was a dictator. He wanted power and money. Don't make people look innocent and blame it on animals.

[jeffmagic32]

@RotisserieiJamie

Hitler was a dictator, a mega mass murderer, and an animal rights wackjob.

[RattyformyBoys]

i want all of you "scientists" to show the public every-single thing you do to torture these animals then i dare you to defend your practice.

killing is not science

[corycatlady]

Animal experimentation is torture and fraud. Expose all that protect it and are involved in it.

[jeffmagic32]

@corycatlady

you out of jail yet?

[corycatlady]

@jeffmagic32

Jail, why do you ask? You want to have lunch so I can show you some photos of animal experimentation along with the cover up UCLA pulled on me.

Once I dated an X vivisector just to get him to debate on GoVeganRadio, he use to be head of a pharmacuetical company. Hey, "the best way to get rid of an enemy is to make a friend". That quote was written on a fortune cookie I recieved on the date with the X vivisector. Vivissection will be ablosihed one way or another, that's for sure.

[smokeybiut]

Animal experimentation is wrong. My gut instinct is crying out to not allow this. Fuck these people for animal cruelty. I hope they suffer cruelty rather than their property gets destroyed.

[jeffmagic32]

@smokeybiut

we are a nation of laws. Your gut can cry all it wants. The life saving research will continue.

[corycatlady]

Check this out. Go to myspace, find friends and then type in UCLACoverUp. Look at the agent who posed as an activist and edtied film evidence at a UCLA demo. He is being protected by numerous other informents and agents, here at this demo.. Pieces of shit. I hate all you under cover a holes, stay out of my way. You are worst than vivisectors. .

[ShroedingerWatcher]

05:14sec

Kathy Guillermo PETA: We also want people to know that there are alternatives to the use of animals for nearly everything thats done in laboratories today. Its unethical and inhumane to kill animals in laboratories and especially when there are so many good ways of finding out this information that don't involve harming any other beings.

Pro vivisectionist exposed. PETA are in league with Pro-Test in some way.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

Key words: "Alternatives" suggests alternatives to the same damn thing. Or that animal research came first. What utter crap.

"nearly everything" implies not all vivisection experiments can be abolished just yet.

[RotisserieiJamie]

@ShroedingerWatcher, PETA and the RSPCA kill animals.

[jeffmagic32]

@RotisserieiJamie

the scumbags in this video, and their allies at ALF, have set off numerous car bombs in an attempt to terrorize the braze research scientists to stop their life saving work. While one bomb went off just a few feet from the sleeping daughter of a scientist, the only casualty was a squirrel in a nearby tree.

[RotisserieiJamie]

@jeffmagic32, fuck you for supporting animal re-search. Test on people who are going to be hung anyway.

[jeffmagic32]

@RotisserieiJamie

well, without the animal research I would have died at age 3. Do you know anybody with diabetes, cancer? Do you care if they live or die? How about it they dress up in a gorilla suit?

[jeffmagic32]

@RotisserieiJamie

your horrible morality has been exposed. You are a nazi.

[RotisserieiJamie]

@jeffmagic32, how am I a Nazi?  I find it funny that Hitler killed himself.

Hitler was not a animal rights wackjob. Retard. There is no re -search that says that. Humans are killing the Earth.

[jeffmagic32]

@RotisserieiJamie

like your Hero Adolph Hitler, you view animal life as superior to that of most humans. You advocate using people for forced medical experimentation, also just like you hero Hitler. When people don't do as you wish, you advocate dropping bombs and murdering them to get your way. Nazi morality? Check. Nazi tactics? Check. Animal right wackhob? Just like your hero Hitler.

[RotisserieiJamie]

@jeffmagic32, do some research genius. Hitler was a dictator. He wanted power. He didn't care about animals or people. He obviously wasn't an animal lover. If he is such an animal lover. Why isn't their any facts about that?

My hero? I hate Hitler. I find it funny that he killed himself. Not all animals rights activists are violent. People use passive resistance. A non violent way of protesting. If I murderd people and dropped bombs. I would be in jail..

I'm a teen. RETARD.

[jeffmagic32]

@RotisserieiJamie

Do a little research - it is a very well known fact that Hitler was a vegetarian and an animal rights wackjob.  Don't blame me because you and Hitler have so much in common.

[Guthrow65]

@jeffmagic32 See ? guess there is a little good in everyone .

[Cruelty2animalssucks]

@jeffmagic32 Hitler wasn't a vegetarian. He just couldnt tolerate certain meats apparently but he was no veggie.

[jeffmagic32]

@Cruelty2animalssucks

False. He may not have been a 12th degree vegan, but he was most certainly a vegetarian.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

@RotisserieiJamie

In what way do you mean they kill animals? I hope you do not rely heavily on that media story that suggested this on the net back in 2008-09 (those stories were only done to cause arguments and encourage defense of them).

The real expose was back in the time of Hans Ruesch when he exposed all or some animal rights, welfarists and anti vivisection orgs as bent because they stuck with morals, ethics and plugs for vivisection (on purpose).

[ShroedingerWatcher]

@RotisserieiJamie

I only know that from Hans Ruesch's exposes in CIVIS buletins (used to be a site buts it gone although I do have copies).

Those two orgs are not the only ones, there are plenty of them including the vegan and vegetarian societies.

The AV organizations deliberately hold back on the scientific facts and history, only focussing on the pointless moral, ethical debate (when science and history expose the vivisection belief as a terrible mistake and all life involved suffers)

[ShroedingerWatcher]

@RotisserieiJamie

I loved the argument between you and that fake jeffmagic32. All his arguments are just copies or cloned comments. He has no brain, a great qualification to join Pro-Test.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

@RotisserieiJamie

How did you find out they both kill animals?

[RotisserieiJamie]

@ShroedingerWatcher, he's a f*cken idiot. Anyway, wait what? What do you mean "How did you find out they both kill animals"?

[ShroedingerWatcher]

@RotisserieiJamie I almost forgot about your comment. What I mean is how exactly did you come to the conclusion PETA kills animals? By "both" I meant both Pro-Test and PETA, just so I can be clear on that.

[TheUltraworld]

With all the technology, I would have thought that live animal research would be no more. Could you imagine having to work there? What a nightnmare. Keep up the protests, in the year 2009 this is barbaric

[dmisic43]

Pro-test can go suck it!!! Especially this fag yench who got his car burned. Karma is a bitch!!! You harm animals, then you should pay for your actions. I don't get why humans don't understand that animals have a right on this planet like us to live free. Its not our job to play god. So, Pro-Test, and The Meat Industry can suck it!!! Go Veg!!!

[dmisic43]

this is why I still have faith in humanity

[adembasou]

There are only ONE Terrorists-THE VIVISECTORS!!!

ALF, ELF, SHAC are Heroes!

AMEN

[rosebrady]

I think animal testing is wrong. Animals are alive and feel pain therefore they should not be an option. It is inhumane to rationalize animals testing.Where will they draw the line, its seems to me they don't have one. The first tests to go should be product testing,why should animals suffer so much pain for products we really don't need. Its the love of money. We will pay for our blatent diregard for thier lives. We are all responsible for this travesty.

[phantompanther]

It really is interesting to see the different sides. Thanks for sharing this video with us.

[crittercrusades]

Very interesting to see various viewpoints on the subject. I think the man with most dollars wins though...researchers as usual. Also, it would be interesting to have a debate - legit, secure, civil debate on the subject where both sides need to bring in ALL the research that has resulted in successful human treatments and allow the other side to refute AND show the ACTUAL FOOTAGE of day to day life of primates and animals being used in research. THAT would be interested.

[AnimalTaskForce]

Perhaps a step towards dialog between scientists doing animal testing and animal activists and a better future for all.