Zaid Hamid: BrassTacks -Iqbal The Mysterious Episode 1 Part3

[yuyu1abdullah]

sub english?

[gffran]

taqdeer kay paband nabatat jamadat momin faqat ahkam e ilahi ka hai paband ahkam e ilah say murad taqdeer e yazdan yani Allah ka andaza) abas hai shikwa e taqdeer e yazdan tu khud taqdeer e yazdan kyoun nahi hai jamat kay baghair insan nafarman hai jamat hi may insan farmabardar hai muslim hai khudi ka estehkam isi jamati zindagi say hai jis kay ameer may lachak ho sabr ka madda ho jo ghareeb ko nazdeek karay ameer ki doulat ka sahi estemal karay qabil logoun ki talash karay

[gffran]

asrar e khudi say murad khudi ki makhfi salahiyatoun say agah hojana yani nafs e insani ko pata chal jaiy kay insan zameen per khuda ka muslim (kusl salamti ko tasleem karnay wala )momin (kul salamti ki hikmat say arasta )muttaqi(farz shanas banda ) mohsin(apnay nafs per ehsan karnay wala ) muqarrib(ne-mat e islam kay qareeb honay wala ) aur khaleefa (kul salamti ki ne-mat panay wala )hai

phir insan apni khudi yani nafsi salahiatoun ko fikr o amal ko jamat (ahkam e ilahi) may fana karday

[AhmedZulfi]

yes it was, but what is the point you are trying to make?

[AhmedZulfi]

well Islam and Muslims were strongest when they were under the single banner of the Caliphate system...what is good for you may not necessarily be the ideal solution for someone else...Communism is considered evil in the West, but look at China, which is thriving under that system

[snazare1510]

Have you heard of Tiananmen Square Massacre(1989), the man made famine in china, the destruction of buddhist temples, churches, mosques...

[AhmedZulfi]

yes I have, and whilst its people may not enjoy the liberties and rights that any normal human being deserves, the country as a whole is doing well and has become a superpower

[snazare1510]

So was Soviet Union, once upon a time...

[snazare1510]

Mr.Zaid Hamid goes back to Free Mason & Zionist bashing. Democracy is not a system without faults, but it works, and it works better than others systems of governance. To say without any proof or evidence that islamic system of governance is better than democracy is wrong. I guess people like this false Prophet Zaid Hamid look up to Taliban and Saudi Arabia. Afghanistan under Taliban became a medivial and barbaric society, Saudi Arabia even today carries out public beheadings.

[iftikharalam]

It is simple, you wanna comapre Man made law and A law of creator of this world, than My ALlah SWT guide you and all of us towards the right Path.

[snazare1510]

I respect your views and your religion, but do you realise that to achieve the social structure as prescribed in Islam requires killing of muslims and non muslims on a large scale, your system cannot be achieved without a genocide, and your system does encourage this. Whoever does not agree with you has to be killed, isnt it? Second class status of non muslims, Jizya tax...

[iftikharalam]

Whoaaa!!! How stupid.. Prophet Muhammad SAW established first muslim state in medinah without any blood shed, do you even know about muslim victory of Macca. Did you know what salaudin did with christains in Paestine and what Christans did? Little knowledge is very dangerous thing, Jizya? Whats wrong with it? Muslims pay tax as Zaakat, and non muslims pay tax as Jizya, so whats make them second class citizen, I hope you will learn sincerely about Islam before putting your ignorance here.

[snazare1510]

Anybody who says that Mohammad was a peaceful and non violent man is a fool and moron. Your own Quran which is the so called word of God itself calls for slaughter. Mohammad was a very violent man, he slaughtered Jews in Khyber, killed pagans in Mecca... He himself said that his mother was in Hell!!! He ordered the killing of his Uncle... true or false Momin??

[AhmedZulfi]

there is a context for every single instance that you mention...the people of his own tribe chose to oppose his message of Islam and he was going to be executed for his views...and in times of war, there was a set of wartime ethics that was to be adhered to, it was not all mindless killing or genocide...

[iftikharalam]

You Just wanna show us all muslims that how stupid you hindus are.. If you wanna disscuss ayyats of Quran out of context than continue pouring your ignorance here and make joke of yourself. Quran teaches for forgiveness, Quran teachs for Peace, for acting with force against EVEIL. Are you dumb? There were no killings at the time when Prophet SAW captured MAcca, and you dumbo, Prophet SAW were not part of Khyber Expidition... Which uncle genius? you are a cute little hindu kid with no knowledge..

[alinednus]

How can you say that the Islamic principles of government are not better than any other system...I think U must read history...and see the Muslims ruled over 2/3 the world with its supreme rules...It is the Huge n solid proof if you have eyes to see!

[snazare1510]

Mughal King Akbar is respected and loved by Hindus and other non muslims in India, rather he is the most highly respected muslim ruler. However, in Pakistan he is hated. Why is that? Search for the answer, you will realise whether islamic system of governance is the best or not...

[iftikharalam]

Who tell you Pakistanis Hate him?

[snazare1510]

Your hero Zaid Hamid called him a "murtad", you can check it out, its in his interview with Lucman(News1), i think Part7, he also says why Akbar is and should be hated, its on youtube...

[AhmedZulfi]

you do realise that Zaid Hamid does not speak for every single Pakistani in the world, right? even I find some of his views to be extreme and full of conspiracy theories, but a lot of what he says is also fact and makes a lot of sense

[aleenaa]

Mr.Zulfi the picture is very clear even if u ignore Zaid lectures on various issues.West n hindus are crossing the limits of extremism n they publicly call names n ridicule our Prophet(pbuh) either u have become BEIGHARUT or u r coward bcz u urself is not a mujhaid n above all zaid sahib is a mujahid atleast respect.

[AhmedZulfi]

if you cannot engage in a discussion in a civilized manner, I think it would be better for you to not open your mouth at all...name -calling is the sign of a desperate person who has nothing to say...you obviously are not very proficient in reading English, otherwise you would have seen that I am in support of Mr. Hamid as well...and it is OUR FAULT, not theirs that India and West have worked themselves into a strong position...our infighting and squabbling has lead to the present day scenario

[aleenaa]

you have seen the tones of hindus on youtube and on different forum. when you've said tht " I find some ofhis views to be extreme" tht really infuriated me. I m sorry if i hurt u

[AhmedZulfi]

lol, it's alright...it is not the fault of the Indian Youtube posters really, their media shields them from so many facts and problems that they REALLY believe that India is the greatest country in the world...they are becoming mindless idiots like the Americans who will believe anything, jut like Obama's "I believe in change" message...the guy will simply continue what Bush left him and continue the US's hunger for oil/terror since it's economy has been destroyed by its war efforts

[iftikharalam]

That was his historic position, thats all, we saw him as a great empiror, a great ruler, but at the same time he tried to innovate things in religion, tried to did some fail experiments to form a new religion, that is simply a fact, his son jahangir finsihed all those crazy stuff he started. Read some history...

[snazare1510]

Sir, i know history, and that is why i referred to Akbar. The one who "tried to innovate things in religion, tried to do some failed experiments to form a new religion..."

[sameer9900]

Do you know Akbar waged war against Hindu ruler and of course he defeated them

[snazare1510]

Yes, he defeated Hindu kings. He respected Indian culture, that is the important point. He did not destroy temples, he got rid of Jizya tax...