Jesus took in all sorts of people. Dunks, Prostitutes, Tax Collectors. They could have been naked or have had leprosy. No matter what someone looked like or how they were dressed, or what they did they were taken in. And if we as human beings are supposed to live like Jesus, and act how he did. Why can't you just realize that it's a harmless act. And if you can't do that then why can't you seem to just leave this alone.
Pray for yourself you stupid piece of shit, For starting this whole mess in the first place. Believe me a couple of us are looking for you. And when we find you, better get yourself a very dam good lawyer. 5 members of this congregation have contacted lawyers concerning the violation of our right to privacy. You shouldn't pick on churches with people who make big bucks and have kick ass lawyers as a norm here in Aliso.
You punk ass! If you don't like it join Opus Dei or some other ridiculous ultra orthodox masachistic catholic organization. Shit, who asked your fucking opinion about this mass anyway. You don't even go to church here. Fucking coward!
Please refrain from calling me a "punk ass". That was not very charitable of you. I don't know much about Opus Dei (and never heard of it before the DaStupid Code), & I don't think there are any "ultra orthodox masachistic" Catholic organizations. I'm a guy and I'm Catholic, hence the username. And if I did go to Mass there, then I would report that priest to his Bishop, and also write a letter to the Vatican.
Also, dressing up as Satan constitutes a profound liturgical abuse, not only to the parishoners and the Church, but also it's an abuse to Jesus Christ Himself.
These people are at mass, they could be anywhere else, but elected to be in church. They could be drinking at a bar, home on the couch, abusing their families, going to Sunday brunch. Fr.Fred in a Barney costume, don't we as loving people of GOD have more issues to pray & worry about. Fr.Fred helped our family during a terrible tragedy w/our child; but you don't want to know those things! PLEASE DON'T JUDGE! WE AR NOT PERFECT! I THOUGHT OUR LORD WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN DO THAT?
First, my deepest sympathies for your tragedy. And please dont assume because I'm a Traditionalist Catholic than I'm just a heartless,rigid complainer who justs want to be heard but no to listen. As a bedside nurse, I've learned never to assume patient's "act this way" because of That said, I don't automatically honor and respect those who show up on Sunday. And when the costumes/loud music/etc are added on top of it all.
Angeladarling---maybe this comment will help to answer why this nonsense is better left OFF of cyber-space. Why not fight battles as Christ suggested - between those with whom the problem rests. Thanks for exposing the entire world wide web to your anger.
Were your beliefs truly Catholic, you'd get why we don't take justice in our own hands. In the future when someone hurts you, do what I do! Place it in God's hands and find peace in the faith that justice is always eventually served by Him. I did my best to help you. But your thinking is so unbelievably warped that only God himself is powerful enough to convince you ,your priest,or your congregation of any wrongdoing. For your sake I pray he enlightens you sooner rather than later.
Plots to hurt your kids? I speak for us all when I say NOBODY here wishes any harm to come to you or your congregration.Only direct threats of violence I could find on this page where ones you yourself made, using language reaking of rage.Quote me where you got the idea that I hate you. Sounds to like the old "projection" defense mech (look it up)I don't have to inflict some punishment on you or hurl insults at you to feel better. I leave the punishing to God and go on with my life.
Catholicavenger-please scroll up to read my 1st reply .I'm also curious why you continue to use the "coward" insult to describe me- a young Catholic woman living on the east coast 3000 miles from you and therefore not able to look you in the eye and tell you these things face to face.My only agenda here was to have my voice heard, using God's teachings,so that I could help save the souls of those the Devil has so cleverly blindfolded spiritually.
Catholicavenger-that's quite a volatile statement!So at this parish (where you all are so consumed by peace and joy in the midst of vibrant devil costumes,priests in Barney suits and lively upbeat tunes from the choir) do they teach you to argue with one another using 4 letter words and threatening damnation for one of God's creatures? Cause at my "ultra orthodox" church, we're taught to love one another as Christ loves us, to offer the other cheek, and to defend the Catholic faith always.
If you look around, most new Catholic churches do not have the rectory on site and many priests live in homes away from the church. Gates mean nothing. Many modest homes are in a gated community in AV. Where the rectory is really is of no importance in this case. And, God is ready to hear your confession at any time and any place. Seems with all the threats and bashing about on this sight, some would benefit from some quiet moments with Him.
Yes, the raping of young men and women by priests is a horror. Now, what type of priest would be able to get away with that. What character of man would be able to con his way into the homes and hearts of parents. One whom everyone thinks is wonderful and fun and friendly and brings many into his "flock" and has a wierd preoccupation with childish things. And one who made a joke during the mass of the "misconduct scandal" as something that would be "bested" by a priest in a chicken suit.
You are alluding to something gigantic. I'm bowing out of this one...but I think you need to back up a few steps and consider the things you're saying a bit more carefully. If you know something, go to the police because that's seriously wrong. Otherwise remove the log from your own eye first.
The priest HAS been spoken to. The Bishop HAS been spoken to - but everybody can see how useless that's been. NO MATTER WHERE YOU SAY THE MASS those things are not allowed. And the priest changing the words of the mass - what has an office building got to do with that? You're making excuses for the inexcusible. Please look at the indefensibility of this.
RE: "you would never use church funds to build that first..." That's exactly what's done, the priest needs to live with his bride, the Church, and be ALWAYS available to the parishioners to open the church, to respond to a need for confession (oh, sorry, I forgot, no confession in this parish), to be a father to his people. When YOU go home at night, don't you go to your spouse, or do you have a separate apartment a few miles away?
So, Angeladarling, is the Church of Father's ministry and the bride of Christ a building? A building that must be kept so close to Father that he should never leave it alone? Ought Father sleep in the Church, his bride, at night, eat his meals there, and recreate in it also. Such a darling thought!
Fine re: the gated community thing - but what about confession? If he can come to an office building for mass, surely he can spend time there for confessions, no?
I hope you do go to Father for confession and that your penance is fitting...FIND ANOTHER CHURCH - IN ANOTHER DIOCESE AND STATE - FAR AWAY FROM HERE where you can complain, whine, and be anything but Christian.
" Concerned catholics kill those who don't share your beliefs."
Hmmm, now that statment speaks volumes about your hatred, your rage, and your disgusting plot to cause harm to our parish. If I ever catch you, you fu!king coward, I will kick your ass! If I ever hear that your dam videos cause harm to our kids at Corpus Chirsti I will hunt you down and send you to hell were you belong. You disgusting irresponsible ultra-orthodox punk as%holes!!
I am not a member of said group, but I thought I should point out that this was one of YOUR people making accusations without basis. No one, from what I can tell, wants to kill anybody. They just want a decent mass. So take your foul language straight to the confessional, bucko.
Boy, your language and comments of killing another is sad. It degrades your church. If one is a said Christian, one must respond as one. Yes, it is wrong to sneakily videotape this mass and post it for hurtful purposes, but your response is eaqually hateful. Your rage needs to be expressed through prayer to our Savior for all involved.
CATHOLICAVENGER2- If you had followed the discussion prior to that comment, then you would have read where another poster made that bold statement to support his analogy that we are terrorists. Basic grammar knowledge would have told you that you place parentheses around a citation to indicate that it was spoken by someone else. I retyped the QUOTE so those reading would see which ludicrus statement I was arguing against.
The real shame in this is that the priest (and his bishop) wont see anything wrong with what they are doing. They cant see how utterly silly, patronizing, crass and insensitive they are. What a pitifull event.
In conclusion: supporters of this so-called mass- please don't mistake my statements as just a radical "doom n gloom" mentality. They are merely responses to how I feel that priest and congregation is wounding our Lord, just like I would defend any of my loved ones were they being disgraced the way our Lord is in your mass. My aim in no to offend you, my concern is only for the salvation of your soul,and I'd hope if I was led astray that someone would care enough to bring me back to God.
OftheTrueChurch - need to point something out to you. First, this was a valid mass. It was illicit. But not invalid. Second, Halloween is actually a Christian holiday, for it celebrates the eve of All Saints. It was STOLEN by pagans to warp it to their own ends. Catholics can send their kids out trick or treating in costumes. This mass, however, was riddled with liturgical abuses (not just costumes) and it was just lacking in dignity. That is why I personally protest it.
Actually, Halloween IS of Celtic origin -it originated as Samhain - the end of summer feast. All Saints Day was moved from May 13 to November 1st sometime in the 8th century by Pope Gregory III. So it was Pagan originally.
Actually Christmas has always been about Christ's birth. They chose to celebrate it at a time the pagans did so thy would not be persecuted by celebrating openly during Roman times. But it has always been about the incarnation. So this comparison does not wash.
My point is that Halloween was pagan originally and the early Christian church tried to replace it by All Saints Day. The Mid-winter festival was pagan originally, and then the early Christian church decided subsume that holiday and make it Christmas. So both celebrations have pagan origins. So whether you like it or not, Catholics are (in part) celebrating pagan traditions. For any Catholic to condemn this particular church service is therefore hypocritical.
No, actually, it's not. Because one should not celebrate the pagan part of the holiday AT MASS. At Christmas we don't do that. And the Church has never celebrated the pagan part of the holiday at mass, it has always celebrated the saints instead of demons and witches. So again, why place paganism where it was not before?
If you truly believe that mass reflects what God commanded of us, please quit the name calling and instead point out to me where His teachings gave you that idea. Because from His word, that of our saints and our holy Mother Church, the conclusion I come to when I see that video is that your practices are not Catholic and are offensive to God. (And please don't respond with some one-line excerpt from the Bible in the way Protestants do when challenged on a matter of faith).
Oh please! Get over your big bad self! This isn't your church, it's ours and we PRAISE the LORD in many ways. Not accepting Jesus Christ is offensive to God, but thanks for the FYI. What are you, His spokesperson? Take a breather, get a life and get out of ours! What did you think this would do, stop us from being the parish we are? Well, you lose! AMEN!
Call me coward,it matters not what man thinks of me or my arguments.I care only how my soul will be judged, and how I'll answer our Lord at the time of judgment when He asks me how I defended Him in this brief life.Heaven and Hell are for eternity, and how you choose to honor and defend God in this lifetime (either worshipping in the manner He instructed us to, or by taking His greatest gift-the most Holy Sacrifice- and spitting on it as you have) will determine where you spend your eternity
Were your mass actually valid, he surely would have been more compelled to speak up.Were this mass valid and the Body and Blood validly consecrated by the priest,no Catholic would ever sit silently while our Lord is slapped in the face by having the sacred Body and Blood passed around like an ordinary wafer from the hand of a woman dressed as a devil. Just as
bite my tongue as the Sacred Heart is tortured by the actions of the souls It created as they assemble at your so called "mass."
In defense of the cameraman- he obviously aims to remind us that the Devil is alive and well and actively seeking our souls if we allow it, b/c the Devil works hardest to gain Catholic souls since those souls are the most difficult to obtain and they are the souls closest to our Lord (why do you think he tempts priests so aggressively to commit sexual abuse as opposed to an ordinary minister? Because priests will save more souls than a non-Catholic minister)
Why hold a camera and not a prayer book or rosary? I don't bring cameras to Mass, I find them inappopriate and a distraction to myself and others. Like cell phones, LEAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS OUT OF THE CHURCH.
WHY DEFEND A PERSON WITH A CAMERA IN A CHURCH - cameras don't belong in Church! Unless of course they are brought in for evil and underhanded purposes to exploit, condemn through public conduits.
Those cameras are in the church knowingly and with permission and boundaries. As are cameras at other gatherings; graduations, funerals, etc. The camera at this Mass was there for as a coward.
True Catholics refuse to celebrate Halloween b/c it is PAGAN and therefore goes against God's 1st commandment, AND we believe in standing up to you when you disgrace God with such abuses. We are not cowards. I speak for those of us who weren't present at the Mass and b/c of distance (SC) aren't able to actively protest what occurred.BELIEVE ME -- were I there, I wouldn't be sitting holding a camera. Catholics should never sit silently as the Devil leads Christ's flock to follow him.
Did YOU ever dress up for Halloween and go door to door trick or treating? Did YOU allow your kids do so? If you did, confess your sin. If you didn't GET A LIFE. And why do you spell Halloween as proper noun as you do Mass or God if Halloween is so sinful?
as Christ suffered an attack to save the world, the cameraman suffered silently to help save the Church. I attended that Mass. Believe me, to sit and say nothing was torture, but necessary to prove beyond a doubt to Rome that this kind of disgrace occurs regularly in the Diocese of Orange under Bishop Tod Brown. Hopefully they will do what they should, and remove them both.
If he suffered silently that would be one thing, but he did not suffer, he became the cause of the suffering of many. Jesus and martyrs suffered to that others would not. Get it right, darling. You should have attended Mass to receive grace, the forgiveness of your sins, and a taste of everlasting life.
You say TRUE CATHOLICS refuse to celebrate Halloween because it is against God's commandment. Where does GOD or JESUS say it is ok to pray to saints? As far as killing those who don't share your beliefs, what about the Crusades? Weren't they true Catholics?
"Concerned Catholics kill those who don't share your beliefs." Let's make one thing clear. The beliefs stated here and the concerns voiced by what was seen in that video are not personal, religious beliefs that belong to this radical group of concerned Catholics;This not about using terror and violence as weapons to force you to "share our beliefs."If you were anything other than being a Catholic IN NAME ONLY then you would realize the beliefs we talk about are CATHOLIC beliefs.
" Concerned catholics kill those who don't share your beliefs."
Hmmm, now that statment speaks volumes about your hatred, your rage, and your disgusting plot to cause harm to our parish. If I ever catch you, you fu!king coward, I will kick your ass! If I ever hear that your dam videos cause harm to our kids at Corpus Chirsti I will hunt you down and send you to hell were you belong. You disgusting irresponsible ultra-orthodox punk as%holes!!
Several posts say it's inappropriate to wear weird costumes because nobody would do so at Jesus' actual Crucifixion, which is re-created at Mass. Good point, BUT what about Catholic weddings? Can anyone picture a marriage at the real Calvary? I CAN picture Satan at Calvary, so maybe devil costumes make sense in an odd way. And before you say believers shouldn't dress like devils, what about the Easter scripture readings where parishioners read the part demanding Jesus' death instead of Barrabas?
It sounds like you may be a convert or new Cath. Just because it is in the missalette (Oregon Catholic Press) does not mean it has been checked out and approved by anyone - if it had been, it would have an imprimatur - and it does not. The "approval" it speaks of (in the missalette itself) means nothing except OCP said they wanted to print a missalette and the Committee on the Liturgy said ok. They haven't looked at it since.
Are you saying that having the parishioners read the "Crucify him" portion of the Gospel is wrong? If so, why aren't you videotaping THAT too, because every Catholic church I've been to does it at Easter.
Can anyone picture a marriage at Calvary? Yes. We do it for every Nuptial Mass. As Christ himself is the bridegroom, the Church the bride, he is the husband who lays down his life for his wife (to reference St. Paul in Corinthians). The crucifixion is where the marriage between Christ and his Church took place, the consummation of the convenant. Now - as for Passion Sunday/Barrabas thing, in that instance we are reminded of our own sinfulness. That is a different thing all together.
Wow. So if a time machine whisked you back to 33 A.D., you'd be OK with a bridal couple popping in at Christ's crucifixion and having a wedding ceremony at the foot of the cross, complete with a smooch at the end and organ music as they walked off?
Papa Kenny makes a valid point. You shouldn't be worried that someone videotapes your mass. If you're worried, that means you know something's wrong with it. On a lark, I forwarded the link to this video to benedictxvi@vatican.va, asking if this is something the Holy Father would approve of. Chances are, he won't read his own email - but consider - is this the sort of Mass the pope himself would want to attend? Would he find it appropriate? If not, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
You can bash the cameraman all you want, but the fact is you are ashamed of seeing yourselfs act like complete fools, that is what makes you umcomfortable because somwhere down there you KNOW it is wrong. If you have a problem with the way things are supposed to be done and need this kind of nonsense to satistfy your emptyness then go satrt your own church! 2000 years of tradition WORKS!!
What is absurd to me is that the person/people behind the filming of this video LIED to Father Fred about the reason for filming; something about a sick family member who could not attend the mass. Talk about hypocritical! I think whomever it was needs to take a good long look at him/herself in the mirror (and it is NOT those of us who attend Corpus Christi and support Father Fred!). Give me a freakin' break!
Those who defend this "Mass" in the name of Vatican II ought to read what Vatican II actually teaches. There are numerous abuses shown in this video beyond just the costumes: immodest clothing, "musicians" around the altar (which should be stone, not wood), and extraodinary ministers of Communion when there is an able-bodied priest available.
I agree with you, but you need to keep one thing in mind, for these people none of that matters. As long as they fell good when they come to Church, as long as it it fun, as long as they are entretained, these things are irrelevant.
You might object that this is a movie, but then again there are place even this country and other part of the world, were people travel long distances to attend Mass. They do so without looking forward to being entertained, but to worship their Lord.
Then the camera zooms out and you see in the horizon that the road has no end, which means that they still have a long ways to go. When they finally get to the location where Mass in celebrated, there is not a choir dressed in customs and the priest is not dancing all over the place dressed on a ridiculous costume. (continue)
Have you seen the movie Lilies of the field? There is scene that got stock in my memory. There is a closed up scene in which the nuns are walking in a single fine line through a dirt road on their way to Sunday Mass in the middle of the New Mexico desert. (continue)
I also look forward to going to church, but not because of who is the celebrant and what he has in store to entertain me, but because I want to give praise and glory to my God. I want to receive him. I want to worship him. For this I do not need a priest to make a mockery out of the Mass and dress as Barney. How is it that you came to the conclusion that we when we go to church we have to entertained? (continue)
This was evident when I visited an Anglo church in Oklahoma City about a month ago. But I do not care, I KNOW that God welcomes me and that is what matters. When did anyone said that Church was suppose to be FUN? I am sure it was fun for the Virgin Mary to be at the foot of the Cross watching her Son die. (continue)
That is the problem when people focus so much on feelings: "I do what fells good and what is fun." When did Jesus said that it would be fun to carry our cross? I have been to churches were I did not fell welcome by the people, especially when I travel around the country and to locations where I stand out because of the color of my skin or simply because I look different. (continue)
I moved to CA over 20 years ago from CT and have been looking for a Catholic church to attend ever since. The last church I went to was not welcoming at all. Corpus Christi was the first Catholic Church in CA that made me feel welcome. Father Fred makes church so much fun, in addition to Catholic tradition that I look forward to going to church every week. My parents are proud (they still live on the east coast). Because of Father Fred I am a practicing Catholic once again.
Your right! Catholics are supposed to kneel and obey and frown and not sing. Must be something wrong with a congregation that gathers with joy and enthusiasm and love. Wow... horrors!!!! How horrible to have a priest that actually loves his congregation and cares for them. We wouldn't want that. We need some more of those priests that are detached and just reading it from the book.
Hey GPBP: comparing us to terrorists is beyond absurd. Terrorists maim and kill those who don't share their beliefs.No true Catholic aims to do this.Instead compare us "concerned Catholics" to the Church's martyrs,who refused to lie down and accept the injuries made to The Sacred Heart by those around them. They spoke against those who wished to prosecute them for their faith- and in doing so laid down their life for their God. Here's an anology: You: prosecuter Us: "Martyrs"
Hey GPBP: comparing us to terrorists is beyond absurd. Terrorists maim and kill those who don't share their beliefs.No true Catholic aims to do this.A better comparison would be "concerned Catholics" and Church's martyrs,the martyrs who refused to lie down and accept the injuries made to The Sacred Heart by those around them. They spoke against those who wished to prosecute them for their faith- and in doing so laid down their life for their God. Anology: You: prosecuter Us: "Martyrs"
You kill those who don't share your beliefs. Behind their backs you contact higher authorities first. You post videos taken in secret anonymously. The martyrs stood up with their own names and Christ's also - they were obvious while you are nameless. You prosecute with fear of more video and no conversation. Without fear the martyrs died. You're no martyr, craven coward.
You call yourself a martyr??? Well, why don't you tell us who you are dam cowards!! How dare you "Concerned catholics" sneek into our church for the only purpose of trying to destroy our congregation. My son attends this church. My fear is if some ultra conservative catholic wacko decides to take steps futher than you creeps Because of this video And children get hurt from this. Then your fair game!
Concerned Catholics also seek "peace and joy" as you do- the difference between us and people like you is that you want to obtain it by what is seen(costumes,lively music,etc at Mass)and we know it can only truly come from God who is UNSEEN, the Real Presence at the Mass, and the true source of "peace and joy". If we practice our faith in the manner in which He taught us (humbly and most importantly with a charitable heart)then you will obtain peace and joy
If you were going to meet Jesus and have dinner with him at a 5 star restaurant would you a) go in your finest clothes or b) show up in a Barney suit? Wouldn't you want to show him respect? Going as a witch or devil is like going before the Pope in a thong and bikini.
I moved to CA over 20 years ago from CT and have been looking for a Catholic church to attend ever since. The last church I went to was not welcoming at all. Corpus Christi was the first Catholic Church in CA that made me feel welcome. Father Fred makes church so much fun, in addition to Catholic tradition that I look forward to going to church every week. My parents are proud (they still live on the east coast). Because of Father Fred I am a practicing Catholic once again.
Goodpope. Are you under the influence of Mary James, if you know what I mean? Your last comment did not make sence, can you reword it? Our whole problem with this Mass is the fact that the pastor is making a mockery out of it.
EXACTLY HOW is the PASTOR making a mockery of the Mass? My above point is - sometimes grammar schools have dress up days; like in your favorite saint or hero or etc. And the students attend Mass in their costumes. Is that wrong too? Not everyone at the Mass was in a costume, the Pastor wasn't until the end of Mass. And make your points without getting personal, stick to the subject, don't attack the writer.
Don't attack? Why don't you take your advice? Aren't you the ones that accuse us of being haters and similar adjective? Now I know what you are talking about and I am fine with it because of the context in which is done.
I remember in one occasion at Saint Callistus in Garden Grove, for the festivity of All Saint Day they had the kids dress as a Saint. Nothing wrong with that, it actually makes the event educational because the children get a chance to learn about the saints and they learn to focus more on this beautiful day instead of Halloween.
As a matter of fact they did the same time thing at my kid's school for All Saint Day. The children dressed as a saint and they parade around the yard of the school. I remember there was this beautiful Asian girl dressed as Saint Theresa.
Don't attack? Why don't you take your advice? Aren't you the ones that accuse us of being haters and similar adjective? Now I know what you are talking about and I am fine with it because of the context in which is done. (continue)
But the issue is the context in which things are done. Halloween is a pagan celebration. You do not see it on the liturgical calendar. The devil is an important element of this celebration, witches and monsters also make an important part of the festivity. When Christians incorporate a pagan celebration into one of the important aspects of our beliefs, in this case the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, they are making a mockery out of it. (continue)
The same way that some participants do when they dress as nuns or priests during the Gay Pride parades: they make a mockery out of the men and women who consecrate their lives to the service of God.
Take a look at the Bible and study the time of history when the Jews were exiled to Babylon. One of the primary reasons for such exile was because they began to worship other gods. They began to regard pagan celebrations in the same level as the Passover and such. Can you see the similarities?
The same way that some participants do when they dress as nuns or priests during the Gay Pride parades: they make a mockery out of the men and women who consecrate their lives to the service of God. (continue)
Take a look at the Bible and study the time of history when the Jews were exiled to Babylon. One of the primary reasons for such exile was because they began to worship other gods. They began to regard pagan celebrations in the same level as the Passover and such. Can you see the similarities? (continue)
What about making a comment about the choir dressed as angels are they wrong too? Or those, including myself, who weren't dressed up? What about when a grammar school has designated dress up day - heroes, etc. and attend Mass has wrong been done then? Is only this single day of the year that ruffles your feathers? I am sure cute grammar school kids at Mass can be posted. OOOps, I know your rejoiner; "don't cause little ones to sin" right? Put millstones around your own necks!
Message to Saint Theresa of Avila and Saint John of the Cross: you pair of idiots, your works of spirituality were a sham! That does not bring people closer to God. You pair of frauds! If I could I would suit for consumer fraud, I would file a complaint with the AG. For all these years I was being dupped by your example. They way to go it to dress like Barney and dance all around the Church. You pair of idiots!
translation: St. Theresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross apparently worshipped the wrong way if dancing around in a Barney costume is the way to properly do the mass. They, and most of the saints of old, along with all the ancient ways of the church, must be fraudulent.
Yes I am mad at this pair of idiots. I read their works on spirituality and now I see that best way to come closer to God is to have your pastor dress as Barney. I think they are a fraud. Forget the Ascent of Mount Carmel or the Dark Night of the Soul, all that is garbage. (Continue)
I mean have you read them? They don't say anything about dressing as Barney so you can reach a higher level of holiness, they make it more difficult. They talk about abandonment of the will and other nonsense. Forget that, having your pastor dress like Barney is uplifting, it brings you closer to God, it makes you want to be in heaven. Oh I can just imagine.
I mean have you read them? They don't say anything about dressing as Barney so you can reach a higher level of holiness, they make it more difficult. They talk about abandonment of the will and other nonsense. Forget that, having your pastor dress like Barney is uplifting, it brings you closer to God, it makes you want to be in heaven. Oh I can just imagine.
Yes I am mad at this pair of idiots. I read their works on spirituality and now I see that best way to come closer to God is to have your pastor dress as Barney and make a fool out of himself in the church. I think these saints are a fraud. Forget the Ascent of Mount Carmel or the Dark Night of the Soul, all that is garbage. (continue)
I mean have you read them? They don't say anything about dressing as Barney so you can reach a higher level of holiness, they make it more difficult. They talk about abandonment of the will and other nonsense. Forget that, having your pastor dress like Barney is uplifting, it brings you closer to God, it makes you want to be in heaven. Oh I can just imagine.
I mean have you read them? They don't say anything about dressing as Barney so you can reach a higher level of holiness, they make it more difficult. They talk about abandonment of the will and other nonsense. Forget that, having your pastor dress like Barney is uplifting, it brings you closer to God, it makes you want to be in heaven. Oh I can just imagine.
I moved to CA over 20 years ago from CT and have been looking for a Catholic church to attend ever since. The last church I went to was not welcoming at all. Corpus Christi was the first Catholic Church in CA that made me feel welcome. Father Fred makes church so much fun, in addition to Catholic tradition that I look forward to going to church every week. My parents are proud (they still live on the east coast). Because of Father Fred I am a practicing Catholic once again.
That is the problem when people focus so much on feelings: "I do what fells good and what is fun." When did Jesus said that it would be fun to carry our cross? I have been to churches were I did not fell welcome by the people, especially when I travel around the country and to locations where I stand out because of the color of my skin or simply because I look different. (continue)
Now that everything goes I am going to suggest my pastor that on Fat Tuesday we do all dress like drag queens in order to welcome the Lent season. This will help us come closer to God. Forget everything that you heard from the Saint about penance, prayer and all that outdated stuff, there is a new way to experience a closer relationship with God. Hey, the Roman Missal doesn't say anything about not being able to dress as drag queens so we should assume that it can be done. Right?
It is sad to see how some of the parishioners of Corpus Christi speak wanders about this pastor and how he has help them come closed to God by dressing as Barney, but then they come to this site make assumptions, judgments, throw insults against everybody else among other things. "You shall know them by their fruits."
You "CONCERNED CATHOLICS" are no better than world-wide terrorists. You show up, do your dirty work, and are gone - all in anonymity. Then post your work on the world-wide web. Without going to the proper sources FIRST. Annoyances and hypocrites! You didn't go to the Mass to worship, you went to tear down. You don't want peace or joy. You want war. Why divide? And you claim Christ - feh!
You may have legetimate feelings about your experience of worship being videotaped, but to compare it to terrorisim is absurd. If you cannot state your case rationally, why bother.
Drea999:"The Roman Missal was written by HUMANS not God, so how do you know God even cares what people are wearing or even if they have Mass at all??" NEWSFLASH: The Bible was also written by humans. So you think all it's contents are baloney too? NO- both it and the Missal were written by creatures of God, inspired by the Holy Spirit,and instructed by Christ to preserve His Word in these forms.
Well actually, I DO think that the Bible is just a group of myths, most of which ARE baloney. How do you know for a fact that God ever told anybody to write anything? You don't.
To Angeladarling and and anyone else who says this isn't the way it's written in the Roman Missal - NEWSFLASH! The Roman Missal was written by HUMANS not God, so how do you know God even cares what people are wearing or even if they have Mass at all??
Matthew 16:17-19. That's how we know. "Whatever you(the Church, Magisterium, Pope) bind on earth shall be bound in heaven..." And if it's bound in heaven, God cares. And he really cared enough about how he was worshipped to incinerate Aaron's two sons who didn't do it properly in the Old Testament. Oh yeah. He cares.
Matthew 16:17-19 says nothing about the way Roman Mass should be performed. "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound him heaven" is pretty non-specific. Again, I repeat, the Roman Mass was invented by humans just like every other religious service on this planet.
It says that whatever the Church declares as law, is law in heaven and on earth and **that includes the mass**. Why would it NOT include the mass? It **DOES** include the mass. And I notice you didn't address the Old Testament, either. God does care how he is worshipped.
So what about those Christian denominations that don't have a Mass, like the Protestants? I guess they're all going to be incinerated just like Aaron's 2 sons.
So you believe that people are either Catholic and going to heaven or are not Catholic and not going to heaven? Very scary view. Don't forget Jesus was a JEW!
That is a typically protestant response. The Catholic Church is the Church created by Christ. It speaks for God. When the Magisterium gives direction it IS from God. If you are old enough to read this and have not been taught this by your pastor or your CCD teacher - then they are in error. Go do some homework on the teachings of the Church.
The Church is our Mother - we must do as she says, or we are separating ourselves from her, like a rebellious child.
What a great Christian attitude you have. I guess you don't remember Jesus' words about love thy neihgbor as thyself or let the one who is without sin cast the first stone. Do you not love yourself, or are you without sin?
An Absolute DISGRACE to the roman catholic church and a mockery of the holy mass! totally out of line and total secularized NONSENSE! There is ONE tradition, Rome would be disgraced. There is evidently somthing very wrong going on with corpus christi church is this diocese. The mass is not a show to entertain people who are bored with sacred tradition. I can safley say that this is very far from how Jesus wants the mass to be celebrated and the most holy eucharist to be consecrated.
Even apart from the costumes this liturgy was ladden with abuse. The wine was consacred in a glass flagon and poored by a layman into cups. This is violation of three norms. There are more if you want them...
Were these norms set in stone at the Last Supper too? Oh my, glass, laymen, call the liturgical police. Notify the nuncio. But please don't start with Fr. Fred, then the bishop as suggested by Our Lord when you have a grievance. You hypocriyes - pull the planks from your own eyes first. AND DON'T SHOW UP WITH YOUR CAMERAS and implicate everyone who made a choice to go there to worship.
Dude, think about it. What happens if the glass breaks? How do you deal with the precious blood that is on the floor? How do you clean it up and treat it properly? There's a reason glass is not allowed on the altar. (Or is it that you don't believe that it really is the precious blood of Christ that is the problem here?)
Dude, think about it; Gold chalices can be knocked over by accident. Same is true with a ciborium. Accidents do happen; usually not regularly. How many glasses do you break on a regularly? Or is it glass that you oppose. The RULE only says non-porous containers.
Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily. This norm is to be applied even as regards metals and other materials that easily rust or deteriorate. From redemtionis sacrementum #117
I would suggest reading the documents before you inform people as to what the "RULE" is. Seem we don't even have to debate this, its been settled by the magisterium.
Pharisee - you are concerned with the outside of the cup and not what is inside of it. Pharisee - you are concerned with changeable rules and not the unchageable, ever present Holy One. Pharisee - Jesus changed a lot of rules right under your close, hard, petrified soul. BROOD OF VIPERS and I quote the Savior.
Lay people pour the wine at every Catholic church I have been to. As far as using a flagon, which is a glass, pottery or metal container used to hold wine at a table, what else do you suggest be used? I guess churches in CA, NV, ME, and OR are all in violation...
Never to be used for containing the Blood of the Lord are flagons, bowls, or other vessels that are not fully in accord with the established norms. RS 106
One thought crossed my mind: If you see someone at a Tridentine mass with a camcorder, it's most likely because they want to capture the beauty of the mass, and to have a keepsake of a wonderful event. If you see someone at a Novus Ordo Mass with a Camcorder, everyone already has the suspicion that he's there to capture a liturgical abuse (see the comment Fr. Fred makes in the video about the camera man). What is it about the New Mass that makes it so susceptible to this ?
It's the lack of teaching and responsibility of our bishop (Tod Brown) - these abuses have been occuring since his arrival and he does nothing.
The Novus Ordo lends itself to being a show rather than an offering of the Perfect Sacrifice.
Turn the priest around again, to face Our Lord in the Tabernacle, as our leader to Him, as the center of our existance - and things would begin to change.
Christ commanded his Apostles to "do this in remembrance of me" at the first Mass during the Last Supper,with no mention of ghouls and goblins nor any Apostles dressed in pagan costumes.That feeling you describe is the presence of the Devil himself and not our Lord.Our church and our priests are there for the purposes of saving souls,not "feel good" socializing or for handing those precious souls over to the Devil in a mass that essentially honors Satan himself.God have mercy on your souls.
Many Catholics think this is okay because they think the Mass is just a warm & fuzzy prayer service. Why can't we dress up for that? The idea that the Mass is the SAME sacrifice as CALVARY is totally lost on "modern" catholics. Picture John & Mary Magdalen dressed as Superman and Barney standing at the foot of the Cross and perhaps you will see what a sacrilege this is. If you understand the Mass, you see the problem.
Jesus took in all sorts of people. Dunks, Prostitutes, Tax Collectors. They could have been naked or have had leprosy. No matter what someone looked like or how they were dressed, or what they did they were taken in. And if we as human beings are supposed to live like Jesus, and act how he did. Why can't you just realize that it's a harmless act. And if you can't do that then why can't you seem to just leave this alone.
Edster949 5 years ago
Pray for yourself you stupid piece of shit, For starting this whole mess in the first place. Believe me a couple of us are looking for you. And when we find you, better get yourself a very dam good lawyer. 5 members of this congregation have contacted lawyers concerning the violation of our right to privacy. You shouldn't pick on churches with people who make big bucks and have kick ass lawyers as a norm here in Aliso.
catholicavenger2 5 years ago
You punk ass! If you don't like it join Opus Dei or some other ridiculous ultra orthodox masachistic catholic organization. Shit, who asked your fucking opinion about this mass anyway. You don't even go to church here. Fucking coward!
Catholicguy my ass. You sound like
some dam jehovah witness to me.
catholicavenger2 5 years ago
Please refrain from calling me a "punk ass". That was not very charitable of you. I don't know much about Opus Dei (and never heard of it before the DaStupid Code), & I don't think there are any "ultra orthodox masachistic" Catholic organizations. I'm a guy and I'm Catholic, hence the username. And if I did go to Mass there, then I would report that priest to his Bishop, and also write a letter to the Vatican.
Catholicguy 5 years ago
Also, dressing up as Satan constitutes a profound liturgical abuse, not only to the parishoners and the Church, but also it's an abuse to Jesus Christ Himself.
Catholicguy 5 years ago 4
These people are at mass, they could be anywhere else, but elected to be in church. They could be drinking at a bar, home on the couch, abusing their families, going to Sunday brunch. Fr.Fred in a Barney costume, don't we as loving people of GOD have more issues to pray & worry about. Fr.Fred helped our family during a terrible tragedy w/our child; but you don't want to know those things! PLEASE DON'T JUDGE! WE AR NOT PERFECT! I THOUGHT OUR LORD WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN DO THAT?
notperfectcatholic 5 years ago
First, my deepest sympathies for your tragedy. And please dont assume because I'm a Traditionalist Catholic than I'm just a heartless,rigid complainer who justs want to be heard but no to listen. As a bedside nurse, I've learned never to assume patient's "act this way" because of That said, I don't automatically honor and respect those who show up on Sunday. And when the costumes/loud music/etc are added on top of it all.
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago 9
Ha ha! Anything that makes the Catholic Church look foolish (that is, anything that reveals its true nature) is AWESOME!
odypoly 5 years ago
Angeladarling---maybe this comment will help to answer why this nonsense is better left OFF of cyber-space. Why not fight battles as Christ suggested - between those with whom the problem rests. Thanks for exposing the entire world wide web to your anger.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Then you can pray for and find at least two or three to take his place. The priest is a good man and a good minister.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Were your beliefs truly Catholic, you'd get why we don't take justice in our own hands. In the future when someone hurts you, do what I do! Place it in God's hands and find peace in the faith that justice is always eventually served by Him. I did my best to help you. But your thinking is so unbelievably warped that only God himself is powerful enough to convince you ,your priest,or your congregation of any wrongdoing. For your sake I pray he enlightens you sooner rather than later.
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
Plots to hurt your kids? I speak for us all when I say NOBODY here wishes any harm to come to you or your congregration.Only direct threats of violence I could find on this page where ones you yourself made, using language reaking of rage.Quote me where you got the idea that I hate you. Sounds to like the old "projection" defense mech (look it up)I don't have to inflict some punishment on you or hurl insults at you to feel better. I leave the punishing to God and go on with my life.
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
Catholicavenger-please scroll up to read my 1st reply .I'm also curious why you continue to use the "coward" insult to describe me- a young Catholic woman living on the east coast 3000 miles from you and therefore not able to look you in the eye and tell you these things face to face.My only agenda here was to have my voice heard, using God's teachings,so that I could help save the souls of those the Devil has so cleverly blindfolded spiritually.
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
Catholicavenger-that's quite a volatile statement!So at this parish (where you all are so consumed by peace and joy in the midst of vibrant devil costumes,priests in Barney suits and lively upbeat tunes from the choir) do they teach you to argue with one another using 4 letter words and threatening damnation for one of God's creatures? Cause at my "ultra orthodox" church, we're taught to love one another as Christ loves us, to offer the other cheek, and to defend the Catholic faith always.
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
And the relation of these comments to the Mass is...
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
If you look around, most new Catholic churches do not have the rectory on site and many priests live in homes away from the church. Gates mean nothing. Many modest homes are in a gated community in AV. Where the rectory is really is of no importance in this case. And, God is ready to hear your confession at any time and any place. Seems with all the threats and bashing about on this sight, some would benefit from some quiet moments with Him.
happyfamily10 5 years ago
Yes, the raping of young men and women by priests is a horror. Now, what type of priest would be able to get away with that. What character of man would be able to con his way into the homes and hearts of parents. One whom everyone thinks is wonderful and fun and friendly and brings many into his "flock" and has a wierd preoccupation with childish things. And one who made a joke during the mass of the "misconduct scandal" as something that would be "bested" by a priest in a chicken suit.
angeladarling56 5 years ago
You are alluding to something gigantic. I'm bowing out of this one...but I think you need to back up a few steps and consider the things you're saying a bit more carefully. If you know something, go to the police because that's seriously wrong. Otherwise remove the log from your own eye first.
crazyk8rs 5 years ago
The priest HAS been spoken to. The Bishop HAS been spoken to - but everybody can see how useless that's been. NO MATTER WHERE YOU SAY THE MASS those things are not allowed. And the priest changing the words of the mass - what has an office building got to do with that? You're making excuses for the inexcusible. Please look at the indefensibility of this.
angeladarling56 5 years ago
RE: "you would never use church funds to build that first..." That's exactly what's done, the priest needs to live with his bride, the Church, and be ALWAYS available to the parishioners to open the church, to respond to a need for confession (oh, sorry, I forgot, no confession in this parish), to be a father to his people. When YOU go home at night, don't you go to your spouse, or do you have a separate apartment a few miles away?
angeladarling56 5 years ago
So, Angeladarling, is the Church of Father's ministry and the bride of Christ a building? A building that must be kept so close to Father that he should never leave it alone? Ought Father sleep in the Church, his bride, at night, eat his meals there, and recreate in it also. Such a darling thought!
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Fine re: the gated community thing - but what about confession? If he can come to an office building for mass, surely he can spend time there for confessions, no?
sparkyann 5 years ago
I'm not a parishoner...I live in England. I didn't know he doesn't do confessions. But I do find that hard to believe.
crazyk8rs 5 years ago
he DOES do confessions, but by appointment. it's not like most parishes where there are multiple priests. it's just one doing everything.
encinitas25 5 years ago
I've lived in a parish with one priest, and he had a regular three hours of confession time on Saturday. It can be done.
sparkyann 5 years ago
I hope you do go to Father for confession and that your penance is fitting...FIND ANOTHER CHURCH - IN ANOTHER DIOCESE AND STATE - FAR AWAY FROM HERE where you can complain, whine, and be anything but Christian.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
If you don't approve of Father's Mass, why would you trust him to hear your sins?
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
" Concerned catholics kill those who don't share your beliefs."
Hmmm, now that statment speaks volumes about your hatred, your rage, and your disgusting plot to cause harm to our parish. If I ever catch you, you fu!king coward, I will kick your ass! If I ever hear that your dam videos cause harm to our kids at Corpus Chirsti I will hunt you down and send you to hell were you belong. You disgusting irresponsible ultra-orthodox punk as%holes!!
catholicavenger2 5 years ago
I am not a member of said group, but I thought I should point out that this was one of YOUR people making accusations without basis. No one, from what I can tell, wants to kill anybody. They just want a decent mass. So take your foul language straight to the confessional, bucko.
sparkyann 5 years ago
Boy, your language and comments of killing another is sad. It degrades your church. If one is a said Christian, one must respond as one. Yes, it is wrong to sneakily videotape this mass and post it for hurtful purposes, but your response is eaqually hateful. Your rage needs to be expressed through prayer to our Savior for all involved.
happyfamily10 5 years ago
CATHOLICAVENGER2- If you had followed the discussion prior to that comment, then you would have read where another poster made that bold statement to support his analogy that we are terrorists. Basic grammar knowledge would have told you that you place parentheses around a citation to indicate that it was spoken by someone else. I retyped the QUOTE so those reading would see which ludicrus statement I was arguing against.
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
The real shame in this is that the priest (and his bishop) wont see anything wrong with what they are doing. They cant see how utterly silly, patronizing, crass and insensitive they are. What a pitifull event.
NoiseGrinder 5 years ago
In conclusion: supporters of this so-called mass- please don't mistake my statements as just a radical "doom n gloom" mentality. They are merely responses to how I feel that priest and congregation is wounding our Lord, just like I would defend any of my loved ones were they being disgraced the way our Lord is in your mass. My aim in no to offend you, my concern is only for the salvation of your soul,and I'd hope if I was led astray that someone would care enough to bring me back to God.
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
OftheTrueChurch - need to point something out to you. First, this was a valid mass. It was illicit. But not invalid. Second, Halloween is actually a Christian holiday, for it celebrates the eve of All Saints. It was STOLEN by pagans to warp it to their own ends. Catholics can send their kids out trick or treating in costumes. This mass, however, was riddled with liturgical abuses (not just costumes) and it was just lacking in dignity. That is why I personally protest it.
sparkyann 5 years ago
Actually, Halloween IS of Celtic origin -it originated as Samhain - the end of summer feast. All Saints Day was moved from May 13 to November 1st sometime in the 8th century by Pope Gregory III. So it was Pagan originally.
drea999 5 years ago
Okay, then if it is pagan in origin, why celebrate a pagan holiday at mass? Isn't that incongruous?
sparkyann 5 years ago
You could say the same thing about celebrating Christmas, as there are pagan origins for that as well (Saturnalia, Yule, Sol Invictus).
drea999 5 years ago
Actually Christmas has always been about Christ's birth. They chose to celebrate it at a time the pagans did so thy would not be persecuted by celebrating openly during Roman times. But it has always been about the incarnation. So this comparison does not wash.
sparkyann 5 years ago
My point is that Halloween was pagan originally and the early Christian church tried to replace it by All Saints Day. The Mid-winter festival was pagan originally, and then the early Christian church decided subsume that holiday and make it Christmas. So both celebrations have pagan origins. So whether you like it or not, Catholics are (in part) celebrating pagan traditions. For any Catholic to condemn this particular church service is therefore hypocritical.
drea999 5 years ago
No, actually, it's not. Because one should not celebrate the pagan part of the holiday AT MASS. At Christmas we don't do that. And the Church has never celebrated the pagan part of the holiday at mass, it has always celebrated the saints instead of demons and witches. So again, why place paganism where it was not before?
sparkyann 5 years ago 2
If you truly believe that mass reflects what God commanded of us, please quit the name calling and instead point out to me where His teachings gave you that idea. Because from His word, that of our saints and our holy Mother Church, the conclusion I come to when I see that video is that your practices are not Catholic and are offensive to God. (And please don't respond with some one-line excerpt from the Bible in the way Protestants do when challenged on a matter of faith).
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
Oh please! Get over your big bad self! This isn't your church, it's ours and we PRAISE the LORD in many ways. Not accepting Jesus Christ is offensive to God, but thanks for the FYI. What are you, His spokesperson? Take a breather, get a life and get out of ours! What did you think this would do, stop us from being the parish we are? Well, you lose! AMEN!
ianslass 5 years ago
Call me coward,it matters not what man thinks of me or my arguments.I care only how my soul will be judged, and how I'll answer our Lord at the time of judgment when He asks me how I defended Him in this brief life.Heaven and Hell are for eternity, and how you choose to honor and defend God in this lifetime (either worshipping in the manner He instructed us to, or by taking His greatest gift-the most Holy Sacrifice- and spitting on it as you have) will determine where you spend your eternity
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
Were your mass actually valid, he surely would have been more compelled to speak up.Were this mass valid and the Body and Blood validly consecrated by the priest,no Catholic would ever sit silently while our Lord is slapped in the face by having the sacred Body and Blood passed around like an ordinary wafer from the hand of a woman dressed as a devil. Just as
bite my tongue as the Sacred Heart is tortured by the actions of the souls It created as they assemble at your so called "mass."
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
In defense of the cameraman- he obviously aims to remind us that the Devil is alive and well and actively seeking our souls if we allow it, b/c the Devil works hardest to gain Catholic souls since those souls are the most difficult to obtain and they are the souls closest to our Lord (why do you think he tempts priests so aggressively to commit sexual abuse as opposed to an ordinary minister? Because priests will save more souls than a non-Catholic minister)
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
Why hold a camera and not a prayer book or rosary? I don't bring cameras to Mass, I find them inappopriate and a distraction to myself and others. Like cell phones, LEAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS OUT OF THE CHURCH.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
WHY DEFEND A PERSON WITH A CAMERA IN A CHURCH - cameras don't belong in Church! Unless of course they are brought in for evil and underhanded purposes to exploit, condemn through public conduits.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Cameras don't belong in church? You might want to tell that to the next bride and groom you see getting married in church. =p
sparkyann 5 years ago
Those cameras are in the church knowingly and with permission and boundaries. As are cameras at other gatherings; graduations, funerals, etc. The camera at this Mass was there for as a coward.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
True Catholics refuse to celebrate Halloween b/c it is PAGAN and therefore goes against God's 1st commandment, AND we believe in standing up to you when you disgrace God with such abuses. We are not cowards. I speak for those of us who weren't present at the Mass and b/c of distance (SC) aren't able to actively protest what occurred.BELIEVE ME -- were I there, I wouldn't be sitting holding a camera. Catholics should never sit silently as the Devil leads Christ's flock to follow him.
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
Did YOU ever dress up for Halloween and go door to door trick or treating? Did YOU allow your kids do so? If you did, confess your sin. If you didn't GET A LIFE. And why do you spell Halloween as proper noun as you do Mass or God if Halloween is so sinful?
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
as Christ suffered an attack to save the world, the cameraman suffered silently to help save the Church. I attended that Mass. Believe me, to sit and say nothing was torture, but necessary to prove beyond a doubt to Rome that this kind of disgrace occurs regularly in the Diocese of Orange under Bishop Tod Brown. Hopefully they will do what they should, and remove them both.
angeladarling56 5 years ago
If he suffered silently that would be one thing, but he did not suffer, he became the cause of the suffering of many. Jesus and martyrs suffered to that others would not. Get it right, darling. You should have attended Mass to receive grace, the forgiveness of your sins, and a taste of everlasting life.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
You say TRUE CATHOLICS refuse to celebrate Halloween because it is against God's commandment. Where does GOD or JESUS say it is ok to pray to saints? As far as killing those who don't share your beliefs, what about the Crusades? Weren't they true Catholics?
dasuz 5 years ago
"Concerned Catholics kill those who don't share your beliefs." Let's make one thing clear. The beliefs stated here and the concerns voiced by what was seen in that video are not personal, religious beliefs that belong to this radical group of concerned Catholics;This not about using terror and violence as weapons to force you to "share our beliefs."If you were anything other than being a Catholic IN NAME ONLY then you would realize the beliefs we talk about are CATHOLIC beliefs.
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
" Concerned catholics kill those who don't share your beliefs."
Hmmm, now that statment speaks volumes about your hatred, your rage, and your disgusting plot to cause harm to our parish. If I ever catch you, you fu!king coward, I will kick your ass! If I ever hear that your dam videos cause harm to our kids at Corpus Chirsti I will hunt you down and send you to hell were you belong. You disgusting irresponsible ultra-orthodox punk as%holes!!
catholicavenger2 5 years ago
Several posts say it's inappropriate to wear weird costumes because nobody would do so at Jesus' actual Crucifixion, which is re-created at Mass. Good point, BUT what about Catholic weddings? Can anyone picture a marriage at the real Calvary? I CAN picture Satan at Calvary, so maybe devil costumes make sense in an odd way. And before you say believers shouldn't dress like devils, what about the Easter scripture readings where parishioners read the part demanding Jesus' death instead of Barrabas?
encinitas25 5 years ago
Encinitas,
It sounds like you may be a convert or new Cath. Just because it is in the missalette (Oregon Catholic Press) does not mean it has been checked out and approved by anyone - if it had been, it would have an imprimatur - and it does not. The "approval" it speaks of (in the missalette itself) means nothing except OCP said they wanted to print a missalette and the Committee on the Liturgy said ok. They haven't looked at it since.
angeladarling56 5 years ago
Huh? Where is Encinitas (or anyone else) quoting a missalette?
catholic315 5 years ago
catholic315
(look at the post above mine - encinitas25 - talks about "parishioners read" - they're reading the missalette)
angeladarling56 5 years ago
Are you saying that having the parishioners read the "Crucify him" portion of the Gospel is wrong? If so, why aren't you videotaping THAT too, because every Catholic church I've been to does it at Easter.
encinitas25 5 years ago
Can anyone picture a marriage at Calvary? Yes. We do it for every Nuptial Mass. As Christ himself is the bridegroom, the Church the bride, he is the husband who lays down his life for his wife (to reference St. Paul in Corinthians). The crucifixion is where the marriage between Christ and his Church took place, the consummation of the convenant. Now - as for Passion Sunday/Barrabas thing, in that instance we are reminded of our own sinfulness. That is a different thing all together.
sparkyann 5 years ago
Wow. So if a time machine whisked you back to 33 A.D., you'd be OK with a bridal couple popping in at Christ's crucifixion and having a wedding ceremony at the foot of the cross, complete with a smooch at the end and organ music as they walked off?
catholic315 5 years ago
Basically at mass you are at the same calvary in 33AD since it is the one eternal sacrifice. So if you have a wedding mass, I'd say yeah.
sparkyann 5 years ago
OK, what about passing around collection plates in 33 AD? Or having coffee and doughnuts right after Jesus dies?
encinitas25 5 years ago
oh my god! it's Satan. aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!
comandanteagi 5 years ago
If the person were dressed as the Pope would you run up to him; ask him for a blessing and to hear your confession?
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
W Mons.Lefevre!!!!
bricca14 5 years ago
Papa Kenny makes a valid point. You shouldn't be worried that someone videotapes your mass. If you're worried, that means you know something's wrong with it. On a lark, I forwarded the link to this video to benedictxvi@vatican.va, asking if this is something the Holy Father would approve of. Chances are, he won't read his own email - but consider - is this the sort of Mass the pope himself would want to attend? Would he find it appropriate? If not, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
sparkyann 5 years ago
You can bash the cameraman all you want, but the fact is you are ashamed of seeing yourselfs act like complete fools, that is what makes you umcomfortable because somwhere down there you KNOW it is wrong. If you have a problem with the way things are supposed to be done and need this kind of nonsense to satistfy your emptyness then go satrt your own church! 2000 years of tradition WORKS!!
PapaKenny777 5 years ago
What is absurd to me is that the person/people behind the filming of this video LIED to Father Fred about the reason for filming; something about a sick family member who could not attend the mass. Talk about hypocritical! I think whomever it was needs to take a good long look at him/herself in the mirror (and it is NOT those of us who attend Corpus Christi and support Father Fred!). Give me a freakin' break!
nurseyvette 5 years ago
Those who defend this "Mass" in the name of Vatican II ought to read what Vatican II actually teaches. There are numerous abuses shown in this video beyond just the costumes: immodest clothing, "musicians" around the altar (which should be stone, not wood), and extraodinary ministers of Communion when there is an able-bodied priest available.
GodsGadfly 5 years ago
GodGradfly,
I agree with you, but you need to keep one thing in mind, for these people none of that matters. As long as they fell good when they come to Church, as long as it it fun, as long as they are entretained, these things are irrelevant.
totustuus17 5 years ago
You might object that this is a movie, but then again there are place even this country and other part of the world, were people travel long distances to attend Mass. They do so without looking forward to being entertained, but to worship their Lord.
totustuus17 5 years ago
Then the camera zooms out and you see in the horizon that the road has no end, which means that they still have a long ways to go. When they finally get to the location where Mass in celebrated, there is not a choir dressed in customs and the priest is not dancing all over the place dressed on a ridiculous costume. (continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
Have you seen the movie Lilies of the field? There is scene that got stock in my memory. There is a closed up scene in which the nuns are walking in a single fine line through a dirt road on their way to Sunday Mass in the middle of the New Mexico desert. (continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
I also look forward to going to church, but not because of who is the celebrant and what he has in store to entertain me, but because I want to give praise and glory to my God. I want to receive him. I want to worship him. For this I do not need a priest to make a mockery out of the Mass and dress as Barney. How is it that you came to the conclusion that we when we go to church we have to entertained? (continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
This was evident when I visited an Anglo church in Oklahoma City about a month ago. But I do not care, I KNOW that God welcomes me and that is what matters. When did anyone said that Church was suppose to be FUN? I am sure it was fun for the Virgin Mary to be at the foot of the Cross watching her Son die. (continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
brtsdajv.
That is the problem when people focus so much on feelings: "I do what fells good and what is fun." When did Jesus said that it would be fun to carry our cross? I have been to churches were I did not fell welcome by the people, especially when I travel around the country and to locations where I stand out because of the color of my skin or simply because I look different. (continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
I moved to CA over 20 years ago from CT and have been looking for a Catholic church to attend ever since. The last church I went to was not welcoming at all. Corpus Christi was the first Catholic Church in CA that made me feel welcome. Father Fred makes church so much fun, in addition to Catholic tradition that I look forward to going to church every week. My parents are proud (they still live on the east coast). Because of Father Fred I am a practicing Catholic once again.
brtsdajv 5 years ago
It can't be the Mass or Catholic - this gathering is a community gathered in joy.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Your right! Catholics are supposed to kneel and obey and frown and not sing. Must be something wrong with a congregation that gathers with joy and enthusiasm and love. Wow... horrors!!!! How horrible to have a priest that actually loves his congregation and cares for them. We wouldn't want that. We need some more of those priests that are detached and just reading it from the book.
DennisBrain 5 years ago
Hey GPBP: comparing us to terrorists is beyond absurd. Terrorists maim and kill those who don't share their beliefs.No true Catholic aims to do this.Instead compare us "concerned Catholics" to the Church's martyrs,who refused to lie down and accept the injuries made to The Sacred Heart by those around them. They spoke against those who wished to prosecute them for their faith- and in doing so laid down their life for their God. Here's an anology: You: prosecuter Us: "Martyrs"
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
Hey GPBP: comparing us to terrorists is beyond absurd. Terrorists maim and kill those who don't share their beliefs.No true Catholic aims to do this.A better comparison would be "concerned Catholics" and Church's martyrs,the martyrs who refused to lie down and accept the injuries made to The Sacred Heart by those around them. They spoke against those who wished to prosecute them for their faith- and in doing so laid down their life for their God. Anology: You: prosecuter Us: "Martyrs"
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
You kill those who don't share your beliefs. Behind their backs you contact higher authorities first. You post videos taken in secret anonymously. The martyrs stood up with their own names and Christ's also - they were obvious while you are nameless. You prosecute with fear of more video and no conversation. Without fear the martyrs died. You're no martyr, craven coward.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Do you have any proof that anyone here has killed someone who doesn't share their beliefs? If not, you shouldn't make such claims.
sparkyann 5 years ago
You call yourself a martyr??? Well, why don't you tell us who you are dam cowards!! How dare you "Concerned catholics" sneek into our church for the only purpose of trying to destroy our congregation. My son attends this church. My fear is if some ultra conservative catholic wacko decides to take steps futher than you creeps Because of this video And children get hurt from this. Then your fair game!
catholicavenger2 5 years ago
Concerned Catholics also seek "peace and joy" as you do- the difference between us and people like you is that you want to obtain it by what is seen(costumes,lively music,etc at Mass)and we know it can only truly come from God who is UNSEEN, the Real Presence at the Mass, and the true source of "peace and joy". If we practice our faith in the manner in which He taught us (humbly and most importantly with a charitable heart)then you will obtain peace and joy
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
Also, I am 18 and even I know this mass is twisted. >_<
fluffyundertaker 5 years ago
If you were going to meet Jesus and have dinner with him at a 5 star restaurant would you a) go in your finest clothes or b) show up in a Barney suit? Wouldn't you want to show him respect? Going as a witch or devil is like going before the Pope in a thong and bikini.
fluffyundertaker 5 years ago
I moved to CA over 20 years ago from CT and have been looking for a Catholic church to attend ever since. The last church I went to was not welcoming at all. Corpus Christi was the first Catholic Church in CA that made me feel welcome. Father Fred makes church so much fun, in addition to Catholic tradition that I look forward to going to church every week. My parents are proud (they still live on the east coast). Because of Father Fred I am a practicing Catholic once again.
brtsdajv 5 years ago
Who would wear a Barney suit to a 5 star restaurant? Would you find Jesus at a 5 star restaurant?
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Goodpope. Are you under the influence of Mary James, if you know what I mean? Your last comment did not make sence, can you reword it? Our whole problem with this Mass is the fact that the pastor is making a mockery out of it.
totustuus17 5 years ago
EXACTLY HOW is the PASTOR making a mockery of the Mass? My above point is - sometimes grammar schools have dress up days; like in your favorite saint or hero or etc. And the students attend Mass in their costumes. Is that wrong too? Not everyone at the Mass was in a costume, the Pastor wasn't until the end of Mass. And make your points without getting personal, stick to the subject, don't attack the writer.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Don't attack? Why don't you take your advice? Aren't you the ones that accuse us of being haters and similar adjective? Now I know what you are talking about and I am fine with it because of the context in which is done.
totustuus17 5 years ago
I remember in one occasion at Saint Callistus in Garden Grove, for the festivity of All Saint Day they had the kids dress as a Saint. Nothing wrong with that, it actually makes the event educational because the children get a chance to learn about the saints and they learn to focus more on this beautiful day instead of Halloween.
totustuus17 5 years ago
As a matter of fact they did the same time thing at my kid's school for All Saint Day. The children dressed as a saint and they parade around the yard of the school. I remember there was this beautiful Asian girl dressed as Saint Theresa.
totustuus17 5 years ago
Don't attack? Why don't you take your advice? Aren't you the ones that accuse us of being haters and similar adjective? Now I know what you are talking about and I am fine with it because of the context in which is done. (continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
Answer the question please: Exacly HOW IS THE PASTOR making a mockery of the Mass?
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
But the issue is the context in which things are done. Halloween is a pagan celebration. You do not see it on the liturgical calendar. The devil is an important element of this celebration, witches and monsters also make an important part of the festivity. When Christians incorporate a pagan celebration into one of the important aspects of our beliefs, in this case the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, they are making a mockery out of it. (continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
The same way that some participants do when they dress as nuns or priests during the Gay Pride parades: they make a mockery out of the men and women who consecrate their lives to the service of God.
totustuus17 5 years ago
Take a look at the Bible and study the time of history when the Jews were exiled to Babylon. One of the primary reasons for such exile was because they began to worship other gods. They began to regard pagan celebrations in the same level as the Passover and such. Can you see the similarities?
totustuus17 5 years ago
The same way that some participants do when they dress as nuns or priests during the Gay Pride parades: they make a mockery out of the men and women who consecrate their lives to the service of God. (continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
Take a look at the Bible and study the time of history when the Jews were exiled to Babylon. One of the primary reasons for such exile was because they began to worship other gods. They began to regard pagan celebrations in the same level as the Passover and such. Can you see the similarities? (continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
What about making a comment about the choir dressed as angels are they wrong too? Or those, including myself, who weren't dressed up? What about when a grammar school has designated dress up day - heroes, etc. and attend Mass has wrong been done then? Is only this single day of the year that ruffles your feathers? I am sure cute grammar school kids at Mass can be posted. OOOps, I know your rejoiner; "don't cause little ones to sin" right? Put millstones around your own necks!
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Message to Saint Theresa of Avila and Saint John of the Cross: you pair of idiots, your works of spirituality were a sham! That does not bring people closer to God. You pair of frauds! If I could I would suit for consumer fraud, I would file a complaint with the AG. For all these years I was being dupped by your example. They way to go it to dress like Barney and dance all around the Church. You pair of idiots!
totustuus17 5 years ago
Explain this please!
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
translation: St. Theresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross apparently worshipped the wrong way if dancing around in a Barney costume is the way to properly do the mass. They, and most of the saints of old, along with all the ancient ways of the church, must be fraudulent.
sparkyann 5 years ago
Yes I am mad at this pair of idiots. I read their works on spirituality and now I see that best way to come closer to God is to have your pastor dress as Barney. I think they are a fraud. Forget the Ascent of Mount Carmel or the Dark Night of the Soul, all that is garbage. (Continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
I mean have you read them? They don't say anything about dressing as Barney so you can reach a higher level of holiness, they make it more difficult. They talk about abandonment of the will and other nonsense. Forget that, having your pastor dress like Barney is uplifting, it brings you closer to God, it makes you want to be in heaven. Oh I can just imagine.
totustuus17 5 years ago
I mean have you read them? They don't say anything about dressing as Barney so you can reach a higher level of holiness, they make it more difficult. They talk about abandonment of the will and other nonsense. Forget that, having your pastor dress like Barney is uplifting, it brings you closer to God, it makes you want to be in heaven. Oh I can just imagine.
totustuus17 5 years ago
Yes I am mad at this pair of idiots. I read their works on spirituality and now I see that best way to come closer to God is to have your pastor dress as Barney and make a fool out of himself in the church. I think these saints are a fraud. Forget the Ascent of Mount Carmel or the Dark Night of the Soul, all that is garbage. (continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
I mean have you read them? They don't say anything about dressing as Barney so you can reach a higher level of holiness, they make it more difficult. They talk about abandonment of the will and other nonsense. Forget that, having your pastor dress like Barney is uplifting, it brings you closer to God, it makes you want to be in heaven. Oh I can just imagine.
totustuus17 5 years ago
I mean have you read them? They don't say anything about dressing as Barney so you can reach a higher level of holiness, they make it more difficult. They talk about abandonment of the will and other nonsense. Forget that, having your pastor dress like Barney is uplifting, it brings you closer to God, it makes you want to be in heaven. Oh I can just imagine.
totustuus17 5 years ago
I moved to CA over 20 years ago from CT and have been looking for a Catholic church to attend ever since. The last church I went to was not welcoming at all. Corpus Christi was the first Catholic Church in CA that made me feel welcome. Father Fred makes church so much fun, in addition to Catholic tradition that I look forward to going to church every week. My parents are proud (they still live on the east coast). Because of Father Fred I am a practicing Catholic once again.
brtsdajv 5 years ago
That is the problem when people focus so much on feelings: "I do what fells good and what is fun." When did Jesus said that it would be fun to carry our cross? I have been to churches were I did not fell welcome by the people, especially when I travel around the country and to locations where I stand out because of the color of my skin or simply because I look different. (continue)
totustuus17 5 years ago
Now that everything goes I am going to suggest my pastor that on Fat Tuesday we do all dress like drag queens in order to welcome the Lent season. This will help us come closer to God. Forget everything that you heard from the Saint about penance, prayer and all that outdated stuff, there is a new way to experience a closer relationship with God. Hey, the Roman Missal doesn't say anything about not being able to dress as drag queens so we should assume that it can be done. Right?
totustuus17 5 years ago
It is sad to see how some of the parishioners of Corpus Christi speak wanders about this pastor and how he has help them come closed to God by dressing as Barney, but then they come to this site make assumptions, judgments, throw insults against everybody else among other things. "You shall know them by their fruits."
totustuus17 5 years ago
Is asking me if I am under the influece of Mary James an insult not? If it is apologize. If it isn't stop being moronic.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
You "CONCERNED CATHOLICS" are no better than world-wide terrorists. You show up, do your dirty work, and are gone - all in anonymity. Then post your work on the world-wide web. Without going to the proper sources FIRST. Annoyances and hypocrites! You didn't go to the Mass to worship, you went to tear down. You don't want peace or joy. You want war. Why divide? And you claim Christ - feh!
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
You may have legetimate feelings about your experience of worship being videotaped, but to compare it to terrorisim is absurd. If you cannot state your case rationally, why bother.
FathaFloyd 5 years ago
Drea999:"The Roman Missal was written by HUMANS not God, so how do you know God even cares what people are wearing or even if they have Mass at all??" NEWSFLASH: The Bible was also written by humans. So you think all it's contents are baloney too? NO- both it and the Missal were written by creatures of God, inspired by the Holy Spirit,and instructed by Christ to preserve His Word in these forms.
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
Well actually, I DO think that the Bible is just a group of myths, most of which ARE baloney. How do you know for a fact that God ever told anybody to write anything? You don't.
drea999 5 years ago
If you think the Bible is just a group of myths, why are you Catholic? Why even bother? It seems to me it would be a waste of your time and ours.
sparkyann 5 years ago
I never said I was Catholic.
drea999 5 years ago
To Angeladarling and and anyone else who says this isn't the way it's written in the Roman Missal - NEWSFLASH! The Roman Missal was written by HUMANS not God, so how do you know God even cares what people are wearing or even if they have Mass at all??
drea999 5 years ago
Matthew 16:17-19. That's how we know. "Whatever you(the Church, Magisterium, Pope) bind on earth shall be bound in heaven..." And if it's bound in heaven, God cares. And he really cared enough about how he was worshipped to incinerate Aaron's two sons who didn't do it properly in the Old Testament. Oh yeah. He cares.
sparkyann 5 years ago
Matthew 16:17-19 says nothing about the way Roman Mass should be performed. "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound him heaven" is pretty non-specific. Again, I repeat, the Roman Mass was invented by humans just like every other religious service on this planet.
drea999 5 years ago
It says that whatever the Church declares as law, is law in heaven and on earth and **that includes the mass**. Why would it NOT include the mass? It **DOES** include the mass. And I notice you didn't address the Old Testament, either. God does care how he is worshipped.
sparkyann 5 years ago
So what about those Christian denominations that don't have a Mass, like the Protestants? I guess they're all going to be incinerated just like Aaron's 2 sons.
drea999 5 years ago
It's a possibility.
sparkyann 5 years ago
Is this the same Church that declared the Earth to be the center of the Solar system a law too?
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
So you have no problem with worshipping a god who incinerates people because they don't present incense in a proper manner. Interesting.
drea999 5 years ago
Nope. Not at all. He brought us into this world, he can take us out.
sparkyann 5 years ago
People like you scare me.
drea999 5 years ago
Right back at you, pal.
sparkyann 5 years ago
So you believe that people are either Catholic and going to heaven or are not Catholic and not going to heaven? Very scary view. Don't forget Jesus was a JEW!
dasuz 5 years ago
That is a typically protestant response. The Catholic Church is the Church created by Christ. It speaks for God. When the Magisterium gives direction it IS from God. If you are old enough to read this and have not been taught this by your pastor or your CCD teacher - then they are in error. Go do some homework on the teachings of the Church.
The Church is our Mother - we must do as she says, or we are separating ourselves from her, like a rebellious child.
angeladarling56 5 years ago
When the Church burned their own members at the stake during the Inquisistion; was that diretion from God too?
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
If you knew history or how to spell, you might actually be dangerous.
sparkyann 5 years ago
You are dangerous, you can't think outside a box.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
What a great Christian attitude you have. I guess you don't remember Jesus' words about love thy neihgbor as thyself or let the one who is without sin cast the first stone. Do you not love yourself, or are you without sin?
dasuz 5 years ago
An Absolute DISGRACE to the roman catholic church and a mockery of the holy mass! totally out of line and total secularized NONSENSE! There is ONE tradition, Rome would be disgraced. There is evidently somthing very wrong going on with corpus christi church is this diocese. The mass is not a show to entertain people who are bored with sacred tradition. I can safley say that this is very far from how Jesus wants the mass to be celebrated and the most holy eucharist to be consecrated.
PapaKenny777 5 years ago
You guys are all douchebags.
Pull out whatever is stuck up your asses and try sneaking a little fun into your sad existences.
tzigaite 5 years ago
Even apart from the costumes this liturgy was ladden with abuse. The wine was consacred in a glass flagon and poored by a layman into cups. This is violation of three norms. There are more if you want them...
FathaFloyd 5 years ago
I have to ammend this, I was on the phone when I typed it "The wine was consacrated in a glass flogon and the Precious Blood was poured...
FathaFloyd 5 years ago
Were these norms set in stone at the Last Supper too? Oh my, glass, laymen, call the liturgical police. Notify the nuncio. But please don't start with Fr. Fred, then the bishop as suggested by Our Lord when you have a grievance. You hypocriyes - pull the planks from your own eyes first. AND DON'T SHOW UP WITH YOUR CAMERAS and implicate everyone who made a choice to go there to worship.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Dude, think about it. What happens if the glass breaks? How do you deal with the precious blood that is on the floor? How do you clean it up and treat it properly? There's a reason glass is not allowed on the altar. (Or is it that you don't believe that it really is the precious blood of Christ that is the problem here?)
sparkyann 5 years ago
Dude, think about it; Gold chalices can be knocked over by accident. Same is true with a ciborium. Accidents do happen; usually not regularly. How many glasses do you break on a regularly? Or is it glass that you oppose. The RULE only says non-porous containers.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily. This norm is to be applied even as regards metals and other materials that easily rust or deteriorate. From redemtionis sacrementum #117
FathaFloyd 5 years ago
I would suggest reading the documents before you inform people as to what the "RULE" is. Seem we don't even have to debate this, its been settled by the magisterium.
FathaFloyd 5 years ago
Thanks, Floyd. I was going to quote RS, but I see you did it for me.
sparkyann 5 years ago
FathaFloyd: You forgot to add "and the magisterium cannot make an error."
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
The rule says precious metal. Read it again.
sparkyann 5 years ago
Pharisee - you are concerned with the outside of the cup and not what is inside of it. Pharisee - you are concerned with changeable rules and not the unchageable, ever present Holy One. Pharisee - Jesus changed a lot of rules right under your close, hard, petrified soul. BROOD OF VIPERS and I quote the Savior.
goodpopebadpope 5 years ago
Lay people pour the wine at every Catholic church I have been to. As far as using a flagon, which is a glass, pottery or metal container used to hold wine at a table, what else do you suggest be used? I guess churches in CA, NV, ME, and OR are all in violation...
dasuz 5 years ago
Never to be used for containing the Blood of the Lord are flagons, bowls, or other vessels that are not fully in accord with the established norms. RS 106
FathaFloyd 5 years ago 3
One thought crossed my mind: If you see someone at a Tridentine mass with a camcorder, it's most likely because they want to capture the beauty of the mass, and to have a keepsake of a wonderful event. If you see someone at a Novus Ordo Mass with a Camcorder, everyone already has the suspicion that he's there to capture a liturgical abuse (see the comment Fr. Fred makes in the video about the camera man). What is it about the New Mass that makes it so susceptible to this ?
apagesatanas2 5 years ago
It's the lack of teaching and responsibility of our bishop (Tod Brown) - these abuses have been occuring since his arrival and he does nothing.
The Novus Ordo lends itself to being a show rather than an offering of the Perfect Sacrifice.
Turn the priest around again, to face Our Lord in the Tabernacle, as our leader to Him, as the center of our existance - and things would begin to change.
angeladarling56 5 years ago
stop erasing the comments. keep it fair game.
werejustcool 5 years ago
why are people so naive? can you people find something else to complain about?
werejustcool 5 years ago
Christ commanded his Apostles to "do this in remembrance of me" at the first Mass during the Last Supper,with no mention of ghouls and goblins nor any Apostles dressed in pagan costumes.That feeling you describe is the presence of the Devil himself and not our Lord.Our church and our priests are there for the purposes of saving souls,not "feel good" socializing or for handing those precious souls over to the Devil in a mass that essentially honors Satan himself.God have mercy on your souls.
OfTheTrueChurch 5 years ago
Many Catholics think this is okay because they think the Mass is just a warm & fuzzy prayer service. Why can't we dress up for that? The idea that the Mass is the SAME sacrifice as CALVARY is totally lost on "modern" catholics. Picture John & Mary Magdalen dressed as Superman and Barney standing at the foot of the Cross and perhaps you will see what a sacrilege this is. If you understand the Mass, you see the problem.
cookhome 5 years ago
no such thing as hell, buddy.
elsimplicity 5 years ago
That's exactly what the devil wants you to think.
bout90feet 5 years ago
why do you believe in something you have no proof of? because it says so in a book written 2000 years ago by sexist men? i dont think so.
elsimplicity 5 years ago