Aslan is an apologist and is welcome Iran because of it. His book No god but God is a perfect example of whitewashing the violent and unsupportable aspects of Islam. The book has very little academic documentation,,,the first sign of poor scholarship.
Saudi Arabia is not anywhere near collapsing. As long as the Saudis swim in oil dollars, their regime will persist. We must suppress hamas and hizbollah. They are terrorist groups. Voted out of office? They will use force in order to stay in power. Salafi Islam is a beast and it will devour us if we do not kill it or put it into a cage.
there are people like that in finland too. you dont know how many times i have been told that i am not a "true" finn just bechose i am atheist. ironicaly these are the people who hate orthodoxs just bechose most of russians are orthodoxs. too many idiotic red necks think that winter war was against godless communists, it was not war aganst communists, it was war for our indnpendence. many atheist finns fougth in that war and died for this country, so did shamanists.
Becouse 1 of 2 things is gunna happen. Either they will fail and get voted out of office. Or they will get ahold of nuclear weapons and detonate them in other countries capitols.
I say we take Reza's advice by letting Christen America take charge and let them see for themselves how nationalism and religion just does not work without ending up like Iran or Saudi Arabia, you know.. religious dictatorships.
i dont agree with reza as far as religion goes, but he is a really smart dude. props to this guy for not letting a primitive book trump most of his common sense
He lies or lack studies. Religions don't satisfy any educated people. They just fake it and use religion to keep communication flow. Internal religious leadership conflicts sacrifice too many innocent lives. Rigid languages don't build healthy society for intelligent people.
Isreal simply was and is a complete system failure. It was the first time, I know, where the necessity of division of powers... of state and religion... was neglected on the most fundmental level it could have been neglected.
Religion should never run the government... anywhere outside such little to non-important institutions like the Vatican.
But then, the pope is no more of a valid leader as Mr. Obama. Leaders should go alltogether, but that's a different issue.
I wrote 9 books in one year in 1994 when everything had died & noone cared about Iran or D alienated world!I wrote step by step Rose Way 2 Self & Societal Knowledge of Prevention Health & Excellence & Global Peace Program of Dialogue through film music 2 change world patterns to peace freedom of all race religion culture gender 4 a civilized unity of a Global Family! All other knowledge is copy of my original scientific spiritual knowlege of D Holy divine spirit in me & experience of healing!
This mother fucker is the lobbyist for the terrorist regime of the killer Mullahs. He is closly linked with another terrorist supporter Trita Parsi. He is a thug.
vidkypeace, you have obviously not read very much about the KKK. They terrorized (and yes they have even been referred to as terrorists) many groups of people, including Catholics. That's because the KKK have primarily been composed of white Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Yes, vickypeace, Protestants, and these Protestants are also violently anti-Semitic (which means they are anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim). So, Christians are all God-like saints and Muslims are all Satan worhipers?
Craigjones21 is absolutely correct in saying that "Extremists within many faiths have resorted to violence at different times in history to press their agenda." Muslims are not the only ones. In fact, the Ku Klux Klan in the U.S. could be seen as extremist Christian terrorists as they have focused on terrorizing and annihilating those who are non-white, non-Christian and non-heterosexual. I
'we should spread freedom and democracy everywhere'
we as in you and i?
or the ideological 'we' as in corporate-state powers?
and democracy as in voting in people to misrepresent your every 3-4 years?
btw, spare me the comments on the 'communist' regimes past and present- if communism means nothing less than classlessness and statelessness, then stalinism is proof perfect of the enemy of individual and communal equality, solidarity and liberty.
mz-your posts are obscure and muddled, I can barely figure out what you're trying to say. Even if you get rid of class, you'll be left with a totalitarian regime. Individual freedoms, private property, wealth, etc will be obliterated.
You'll just be a worker-slave, just look at China and India, communism failed miserably so they both introduced capitalism and now they're booming. Capitalism also offers you the greatest individual freedom. Its far from perfect but its the best system around.
mz-haha, you're a communist, I used to think like you in my university days and then grew wiser and realized communism (like all well-intentioned ideologies) is as totalitarian and fascist as nazism and islam-just look at North Korea for proof.
Without a nation you cannot have democracy. And it is thanks to these borders that tyrannical regimes don't encroach on our freedoms. Now if you believe we should spread freedom and democracy everywhere, as well as capitalism then we're on the same page.
processes of decision-making, distribution and creativity we engage in amongst ourselves on a daily basis can be properly described as democratic (or if you'll admit this, 'communistic', perhaps 'anarchic').
this is to say, democracy is, and must not be chained to the nation-category.
the spanish revolution indicates that tyranny and fascism will encroach on societies adamantly and realistically beyond the state, nation and church.
That kigdom has immense problem but idont see what makes israel such an exception m Saoudi Arabia population has wayyyyyyyyyy more coherence that israel's
The moderates are much worse since they are apologists and give cover to the fundamentalists.
They share the same goal of Islamifying the world and give us false hope that Islam is reforming, becoming more 'peaceful.'
When in reality its the radicals that set the agenda and always have and there is no such movement afoot in Islam. These muslims tell us the sweet lies we want to hear.
The Indians have a saying 'the moderate muslim holds you down while the radical muslim cuts your head off.'
You can see the radicals (fundamentalists) coming a mile away because they're the ones sensationalized on TV.
The moderates meanwhile quietly grow their numbers, infest our educational, political, military institutions and destroy democracy from within.
Like the moderate muslim Lord Nazir in the UK who threatened to have 10,000 muslims riot if Geert Wilders was allowed to show his film that depicted Islam accurately.
We're in WW3, its a war between civilization and medieval barbarism (Islam).
War is the enemy, not Islam. Hate begets hate, violence begets violence. Hatred is colorblind and affects all people.
The war is between the unifying elements and tribalistic elements of humanity. Tribalism is the fear of the "other", which manifests in people of all faiths and backgrounds.
cj-Islam is a violent hateful warmongering death cult so by your argument Islam is the enemy. It teaches muslims to convert, subjugate and kill unbelievers and has been doing this for 1400 years, slaughtering 270 million people in the process, enslaving a billion in the dark ages.
Islam is this century's Nazism, its a also fascist totalitarian, arab supremacist movement set on global domination. Don't forget muslims were allies of the Nazis and are virulent anti-semites.
How many nations were conquered in the name of Christianity throughout the ages? And slavery was enshrined in the Constitution of the United States for hundreds of years, practiced by supposedly devout christians. The U.S. was founded in a spirit of religious tolerance. When any human persecutes another for any reason, it is evil. If you call yourself a Christian, then know that you are far from Christ's example. Did he advocate slaying the Jews just because they disbelieved his message?
cj-Christianity ceased to be like Islam 300 years ago and I'm an atheist. You can be sure if Hinduism, Buddhism or Christianity was doing what Islam is then I'd be calling them out also.
There were Christians on both sides of the slavery issue and thankfully it has been abolished, but not in Islam. One of the dirty secrets of the Islam death cult is that Arabs continue to keep slaves like blacks from Sudan whom they recently conquered.
Islam was and remains the greatest force of evil on earth.
Despite the fact that I disagree with you, I appreciate your intelligent counterpoints.
My next counterpoint is that Islam had its renaissance period too and I would argue that the more violent, fundamentalist of the 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world are only being stirred up by our country bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. If terrorists hid out in Texas we wouldn't carpet bomb it to get at them. We are just as guilty of terror.
cj-thanks and likewise. However there's no point arguing this further since we won't agree.
I'd invite you to leave Islam because it is evil as I've outlined but I don't think you care to listen to reason.
This incompatibility between the West and Islam will mostly likely only be resolved by guns and bombs, because religion is one of those things that is impermeable to rational argumentation.
Either muslims will Islamify the West or we will eliminate Islam and democratize muslim countries.
I'm not a muslim. I defend the right of all to believe what they wish...muslim, christian or otherwise.
As for your genocidal fantasies, you can't eliminate 1.5 billion people without destroying the entire earth in the process. In this sense your arguments are completely irrational. Thankfully your voice has a very limited audience. Maybe enough to create some chaos, and hurt lots of innocents muslim and non-, but definitely not enough to fulfill your vision. Ever.
cj-nah you're a muslim its obvious, but keep lying. I said nothing about genocide, I said that the conflict between the West and Islam will only be resolved by war since they're incompatible.
You can eliminate Islam without killing a single muslim but I think we both know it won't be that easy, it'll take a war.
Don't forget muslims started this war since they aim to conquer all non-muslims and Islamify the world. We are forced to defend ourselves from your medieval, war-mongering death cult.
So you think that only muslims would defend Islam as a valid belief system? BTW most christians want to turn the world christian, atheists want to turn the world atheist, etc. It's pretty standard. Active tolerance advocates are rare.
Violent extremists from opposing camps feed off each other. The muslims who advocate death to America are just your own mirror reflection, your brothers overseas, fighting for the same cause you do - death of "the other".
cj-so what you're saying is the rape victim as just as evil and culpable as the rapist cause she fought back. Your equivocation is invalid.
Believe what you want, the West is beginning to realize Islam is a backwards intolerant hateful and violent cult that needs to be annihilated, much like Nazism.
Nothing you say here will change that inevitability. Its true all ideologies want their world view to dominate but atheists/christians aren't resorting to terrorism or suicide bombing like muslims.
America isn't a rape victim. It's currently the most powerful military force in the world. It would be easy for an Iraqi whose family was murdered by american bombs or Blackwater contractors to see us as an intolerant, hateful and violent nation that needs to be annihilated.
Extremists within many faiths have resorted to violence at different times in history to press their agenda. That doesn't justify annihilation or conversion of all members of that community for all time.
cj-my point was, if muslims are stupid enough to try to destroy America, whose fault is it if they get annihilated in return?
So what you're saying is that Iraqis were better off with Saddam's brutal rule, his rape and torture rooms, gassing and killing 400,000 Iraqi's instead of the freedom and democracy they got today?
Nearly all civilian deaths are due to muslims killing each other. If America intentionally wanted to target civilians, you think there'd be any Iraqis left standing today?
So would say that Nazis had 'extremists' but the rest were good, decent moderate nazis/people? lol
As I've repeatedly shown here Islam is an extremist ideology, muslims are no different than Nazis, except they kill you for being the wrong religion, while Nazis killed you for being the wrong race.
By the way my view is shared by many prominent intellectuals and the 150 million Americans who supported the "warmonger" McCain and not the traitorous Dem party or muslim Obama-he's not our president.
At this point you just dismissed every intelligent counterpoint I made and returned to the beginning of the pre-recorded loop of hate in your brain which was planted there by brainwashing right-wing talk radio. It is a closed loop which doesn't allow in logic or true debate. Therefore I'm done. Good luck with your doomed, dead-end crusade.
cj-you mean I've refuted (not dismissed) your points. Yes of course whenever anyone disagrees with a muslim, its not that they have any valid reasons to do so, but its "hate".
Its ironic coming from the followers of the most hateful, violent war-mongering cult that's slaughtered countless millions of people.
Yes I hate Islam, I hate small-minded brainwashed religious psychopathic muslims who want to destroy my country and way of life. Hate is good-it tells us what is evil and needs eliminating
Extremism in the name of God, Allah or whatever is an insult for this God. God is love and hate can only be from Satan. Mohammed himself had doubts that he was inspired by Satan (he said so to Khadija his 1st wife).
vickypeace, Islam has never included love for either from its god or love for humanity, it is against love and speacially peace for humanity. Islam has been and will always remain a cult of death & martyrdom. Muhammads acts and deeds are proof of his satanic cult and his followers continued his reign of terror till today.
Sean, I totally agree. And the problem it wouldn't have been exposed if it weren't for their horrible criminal acts all over the world. They've got rage man!
vicky, the rage is from the religion, from the founder Muhammad. If you read Quran it has a lot of warpt & twisted plagiarization of other religions and the rest is to hate, kill and enslave.
Even if they grow without rage you see how they are in Europe, some Imam or Mullah scum moves there, looks for the typical uneducated ignorant Muslim and recruits them to do what they normally would not do and that is to kill for no reason in the name of Satan=Allah.
|1011|, you have asked for this. Reza is an intelligent person that's why he's on TV and has written two popular books. What are you? Some high school drop out junk sitting out there to spread hate. Please edify yourself before opening your mouth or better keep it shut. Man, you got to respect people of other faiths. Extremists are every where. I'm not defending Al-Qaeda, etc. If you ask me invasion of Iraq is also a terrorist attack. Do you ever think about those orphans, widows, homeless...
rahul-bitch STFU and go back to whatever sewer you climbed out of. Don't make e-threats, or you might end up in Gitmo. I don't "got to" respect any faith that doesn't respect me-particularly your death cult.
Yes extremists are everywhere-they are also called muslims. No I don't care about muslim widows whose husband went to fight the jihad by smashing 4 yr old Jewish girl's heads with rocks like Sami Kunter, or their suicide bombing terrorist children they give birth to.
I was wrong. You are some grade school drop out. Please have some education. Does your dad operate Gitmo? Junks like you can't even get into White House and meet the president still you talk as if you are a man of authority. Some poor junk who has nothing to do except spreading hate. Learn some manners. Ask yourself: Who am I? You are nothing and that's the reason you are here to comment on Reza Aslan's video and not vice versa. People don't give a shit to what you spread bcoz of your poor educa
the whole of Islam is not terrorists. there are a lot of different kinds of Muslims just like there are a lot of different kinds of Christians. there are extremists for everything, not just Islam, and America's done some stupid violent stuff too. point is, you're either ignorant or atheist
koran is a religious text just as the bible is. often up to interpretation. Hitler was Christian but he's by no means a representative of all Christians or suggests that all Christians may reach his extremity. likewise. Islam is just going through the motions of a typical religion.
Hitler might be brough up as a christian but his politic was based on National Socialism.
Islam is not going through the same motions of a typical religion. I know about islam. Reforming islam would mean only more radical islam, more muslims shouting for sharia.
Hitler pretty much wanted death to all things that weren't to his liking. Religious intolerance was one of his policies.
either way though, the world is more global. religious states besides the vatican are going to have a reality check. the fusion of religion and state just isn't practical and won't work long. they'll become more secular and people as of now *are* acting to reform the government. check: protesters in Tehran. i see a lot of women and students in that crowd. i have hope.
Secular is not it. Turkey is modern and secular but the christians living there are having a hard time and have no equal changes. sow we would object to in the west is normal in the secular state, and thats not even one country. Egypt with the coptic christian.
About the protesters in Tehran I can only saw that I doubt if something good comes out of that. We in the west think that change in such country is better. But what do we know realy?
Don't get met wrong I hope thinks change, but the change I hope to see is much more and different.
Futhermore: I have read that the leaders of Iran know which groups there are and they have a very what full eye. Sometime they let the protest images out in the world to put up on the wrong trail. I'am sorry if I break you hope, but Islam is something different then other religion. I which it where, but it isn't.
er. okay. scrambled english. not your native language? but it's okay, i understood. i'm pretty sure everyone has their own dream of a perfect nation. i try no to be cynical but even beyond religion, people are nasty to each other. that's why i'm cynically saying what's happening with Islam isn't new. jihad, it's hate and self-righteousness. i *hope* good will come out of the protests, but you're right. maybe not. and maybe people will never get along and love their differences
People who think it's a good thing to believe things for which they have no evidence deserve no respect. They are intellectual failures and anachronisms. Would you "respect" an adult who believe in the tooth fairy? Seriously... grow up.
When they also believe in things like divine command morality, they cross the line into "dangerous for mankind" territory in addition to philosophically illiterate.
Rahul, you have to face the fact that the number of orphans, widows and victims( and the amount of pain) caused by Islamist terrrorist criminals is much greater!
You're welcome, thanks for your comment. Too often I deal with leftist morons and muslims who call me a hatemonger for speaking the truth. We are in a very real life and death struggle against Islam. I've read the history of Islamic conquests and its brutal beyond imagination.
Muslims have decimated entire civilizations, they've been so successful because they are utterly ruthless, bloodthirsty and psychotic. They cannot be underestimate, we need to expel them before they become majorities.
I kind of don't agree that religious leaders can't be kept out of the political process. They've been keeping the Catholic church out of the political process for a long time.
Reza is a mouthpiece for the fascist totalitarian movement of Islam. He talks nicely but has the same agenda that Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah and Islam does which is global domination.
Only his camp prefers the non-violent conquest, with massive muslim immigration/breeding until they are majorities and Islamify every country like they've done in Lebanon, Sudan and wherever this medieval death cult (which is responsible for killing 270 million non-muslims) has spread.
I cede to you the points about the homicidal activity of the Islamic faith.
But "Reza is a mouthpiece for... Islam?"
I doubt it. He seems to be a secularist and likely an atheist.
His phrase about allowing those groups to be allowed to fail on the marketplace of ideas does not sound to me like a comment of a religionist about his own beliefs.
As to islamification? As different beliefs mingle, people toss out ridiculous ones, which include extremes of all three of the Abrahamic tribes.
His phrase about those groups being allowed to fail on the marketplace of ideas does not sound to me like a comment of a religionist about his own beliefs.
l1011l - I watched the Sam Harris debate with him last night to see... man are you ever right!
Reza is seriously a weasel!
The whole debate he was squirmin around tryin to sound like he's making a valid point but he was just trying to undermine Sam Harris' points by calling Sam 'out of touch' without real examples or facts.
Reza talks loud and fast to SEEM like the dominant speaker... don't be fooled.
shane-thanks and glad you agree. People like Reza are the intellectual enablers of Islamic totalitarianism in the West. They are highly adept at posing as liberals but are muslim to the core.
These muslims are professional liars who do damage control and cover for the jihad. Whenever muslims carry out acts of terrorism these scoundrels are out blaming our gov't or poverty and will never admit or allow Islam to be named as the root cause-which it is.
I would alter your statement to say that "The goal of all muslim *extremists* is to conquer us". This is not islam, it is a fanatical offshoot which doesn't represent the vast majority of muslims, who are peaceful and just want to live their lives in peace.
Just like the goal of some radical, militant christian fundamentalist sects is to conquer the earth "in the name of God".
A misguided zealot is a misguided zealot, no matter what faith they profess to believe in.
cj-that's false, since Islam is extremist ideology, prophet Mohammad was a pedophile terrorist and warlord:
Sura 8:12 - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Qur'an 9:5 - Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.
Qur'an 8:39 - So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.
Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be MURDERED or CRUCIFIED or their HANDS and their FEET should be CUT OFF on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned
etc, etc...
Islam religion of war, death, hatred, murder, slavery, savagery, insanity, misogyny, child molestation, honor killing, deception, fascism, totalitarianism, anti-freedom, barbarism, thievery...Islam is pure evil.
You could use similar "bad quotes" out of context from the Bible:
"In the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has commanded you.
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Aslan is an apologist and is welcome Iran because of it. His book No god but God is a perfect example of whitewashing the violent and unsupportable aspects of Islam. The book has very little academic documentation,,,the first sign of poor scholarship.
greenarcher180 4 months ago
This guy is an idiot. Culture and Religion are separate things, also morals in society are better off without religion
GodOfUnbelief 6 months ago
I am an Iranian too, and no one knows Islam better than me, I only want to tell the world one thing: THERE IS NO LIBERAL ISLAM!
zangir2007 7 months ago
Saudi Arabia is not anywhere near collapsing. As long as the Saudis swim in oil dollars, their regime will persist. We must suppress hamas and hizbollah. They are terrorist groups. Voted out of office? They will use force in order to stay in power. Salafi Islam is a beast and it will devour us if we do not kill it or put it into a cage.
bhigr 1 year ago
there are people like that in finland too. you dont know how many times i have been told that i am not a "true" finn just bechose i am atheist. ironicaly these are the people who hate orthodoxs just bechose most of russians are orthodoxs. too many idiotic red necks think that winter war was against godless communists, it was not war aganst communists, it was war for our indnpendence. many atheist finns fougth in that war and died for this country, so did shamanists.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
racist reza.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
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lianghaochen 1 year ago
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@TheNewMusicNetwork how is that racism
lianghaochen 1 year ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork how is that racism?
lianghaochen 1 year ago
@lianghaochen open your fucking eyes. he's racist again caucasion people.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
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@TheNewMusicNetwork you are a moron
lianghaochen 1 year ago
Ego Filius Hominis!
ego qui sedet super thronum tenebrarum!
Sanctificetur nomen meum!
scocrista 1 year ago
Becouse 1 of 2 things is gunna happen. Either they will fail and get voted out of office. Or they will get ahold of nuclear weapons and detonate them in other countries capitols.
crovax17 1 year ago
I say we take Reza's advice by letting Christen America take charge and let them see for themselves how nationalism and religion just does not work without ending up like Iran or Saudi Arabia, you know.. religious dictatorships.
vault101lt 1 year ago
You've got 48 hours
shitamerica1 1 year ago
i dont agree with reza as far as religion goes, but he is a really smart dude. props to this guy for not letting a primitive book trump most of his common sense
alahossain 1 year ago
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SanguineBullet667 2 years ago
He lies or lack studies. Religions don't satisfy any educated people. They just fake it and use religion to keep communication flow. Internal religious leadership conflicts sacrifice too many innocent lives. Rigid languages don't build healthy society for intelligent people.
beancube2010 2 years ago
then we have to kill the beast and its master.
Reza Aslan is not my favourite. This was nice but it might distract us from the beast coming our way. Acts are more important then words.
RoadlessPath 2 years ago
Isreal simply was and is a complete system failure. It was the first time, I know, where the necessity of division of powers... of state and religion... was neglected on the most fundmental level it could have been neglected.
Religion should never run the government... anywhere outside such little to non-important institutions like the Vatican.
But then, the pope is no more of a valid leader as Mr. Obama. Leaders should go alltogether, but that's a different issue.
realisoph 2 years ago
I wrote 9 books in one year in 1994 when everything had died & noone cared about Iran or D alienated world!I wrote step by step Rose Way 2 Self & Societal Knowledge of Prevention Health & Excellence & Global Peace Program of Dialogue through film music 2 change world patterns to peace freedom of all race religion culture gender 4 a civilized unity of a Global Family! All other knowledge is copy of my original scientific spiritual knowlege of D Holy divine spirit in me & experience of healing!
RoseProphecy 2 years ago
This mother fucker is the lobbyist for the terrorist regime of the killer Mullahs. He is closly linked with another terrorist supporter Trita Parsi. He is a thug.
fraizer57 2 years ago
Jew propaganda . . .desinformation of honest citizens , , ,
saharafennec 2 years ago
vidkypeace, you have obviously not read very much about the KKK. They terrorized (and yes they have even been referred to as terrorists) many groups of people, including Catholics. That's because the KKK have primarily been composed of white Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Yes, vickypeace, Protestants, and these Protestants are also violently anti-Semitic (which means they are anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim). So, Christians are all God-like saints and Muslims are all Satan worhipers?
olidottir 2 years ago
Stop comparing yourself with those who are worse and stop referring to the past when people criticize your present!
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
Craigjones21 is absolutely correct in saying that "Extremists within many faiths have resorted to violence at different times in history to press their agenda." Muslims are not the only ones. In fact, the Ku Klux Klan in the U.S. could be seen as extremist Christian terrorists as they have focused on terrorizing and annihilating those who are non-white, non-Christian and non-heterosexual. I
olidottir 2 years ago
Not at all Olido! The KKK ideology is based on Race. They have oppressed Christian blacks as well.
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
excellent work!
1888junkteam 2 years ago
He's hot.
leslietrav 2 years ago 2
hey fuck u guys and ur one world religion
KentuckyLane1984 2 years ago
'we should spread freedom and democracy everywhere'
we as in you and i?
or the ideological 'we' as in corporate-state powers?
and democracy as in voting in people to misrepresent your every 3-4 years?
btw, spare me the comments on the 'communist' regimes past and present- if communism means nothing less than classlessness and statelessness, then stalinism is proof perfect of the enemy of individual and communal equality, solidarity and liberty.
mikezephyr 2 years ago
mz-your posts are obscure and muddled, I can barely figure out what you're trying to say. Even if you get rid of class, you'll be left with a totalitarian regime. Individual freedoms, private property, wealth, etc will be obliterated.
You'll just be a worker-slave, just look at China and India, communism failed miserably so they both introduced capitalism and now they're booming. Capitalism also offers you the greatest individual freedom. Its far from perfect but its the best system around.
l1011l 2 years ago
mz-I'll add what we need is a balanced mix of capitalism and socialism...that'd make an almost perfect system, like Sweden, Netherlands or Canada.
l1011l 2 years ago
the future is nothing if the sickness of nationalism and religion persists.
both are stunting, antidemocratic and reinforce class society.
mikezephyr 2 years ago
mz-haha, you're a communist, I used to think like you in my university days and then grew wiser and realized communism (like all well-intentioned ideologies) is as totalitarian and fascist as nazism and islam-just look at North Korea for proof.
Without a nation you cannot have democracy. And it is thanks to these borders that tyrannical regimes don't encroach on our freedoms. Now if you believe we should spread freedom and democracy everywhere, as well as capitalism then we're on the same page.
l1011l 2 years ago
"Without a nation you cannot have democracy"
processes of decision-making, distribution and creativity we engage in amongst ourselves on a daily basis can be properly described as democratic (or if you'll admit this, 'communistic', perhaps 'anarchic').
this is to say, democracy is, and must not be chained to the nation-category.
the spanish revolution indicates that tyranny and fascism will encroach on societies adamantly and realistically beyond the state, nation and church.
mikezephyr 2 years ago
oh, it works in certain societies!? I get it now
bigc028282 2 years ago
Religion kills.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago 2
That kigdom has immense problem but idont see what makes israel such an exception m Saoudi Arabia population has wayyyyyyyyyy more coherence that israel's
EdugeBDroN 2 years ago
Osama Bin Laden is one of the richest people in the world. His money came from family not fundamentalist donations.
The leaders of most the militant islamic groups are usually very well educated, doctors and such.
FundaMENTALism is about as natural to human beings as wearing clothes. It's a reaction to something, protection from a perceived threat.
The problem is apocalyptic superstitions (aka religions)
Oppressed people are not necessarily fundamentalist just because they act out.
shanemccurdy 2 years ago 2
and Bin Laden is a CIA operative, he likes you to think he is fundamental as a CIA actor that's his job to act
Oppression is different from being Helpless and there is stage between those 2 where it's amalgamated & probably!?!? produce extremists
ZankDigiTrash 2 years ago
Hehehe, "fundamentalism is a beast"
Mastikator 2 years ago
The moderates are much worse since they are apologists and give cover to the fundamentalists.
They share the same goal of Islamifying the world and give us false hope that Islam is reforming, becoming more 'peaceful.'
When in reality its the radicals that set the agenda and always have and there is no such movement afoot in Islam. These muslims tell us the sweet lies we want to hear.
The Indians have a saying 'the moderate muslim holds you down while the radical muslim cuts your head off.'
l1011l 2 years ago 2
You can see the radicals (fundamentalists) coming a mile away because they're the ones sensationalized on TV.
The moderates meanwhile quietly grow their numbers, infest our educational, political, military institutions and destroy democracy from within.
Like the moderate muslim Lord Nazir in the UK who threatened to have 10,000 muslims riot if Geert Wilders was allowed to show his film that depicted Islam accurately.
We're in WW3, its a war between civilization and medieval barbarism (Islam).
l1011l 2 years ago
War is the enemy, not Islam. Hate begets hate, violence begets violence. Hatred is colorblind and affects all people.
The war is between the unifying elements and tribalistic elements of humanity. Tribalism is the fear of the "other", which manifests in people of all faiths and backgrounds.
craigjones21 2 years ago
cj-Islam is a violent hateful warmongering death cult so by your argument Islam is the enemy. It teaches muslims to convert, subjugate and kill unbelievers and has been doing this for 1400 years, slaughtering 270 million people in the process, enslaving a billion in the dark ages.
Islam is this century's Nazism, its a also fascist totalitarian, arab supremacist movement set on global domination. Don't forget muslims were allies of the Nazis and are virulent anti-semites.
l1011l 2 years ago
How many nations were conquered in the name of Christianity throughout the ages? And slavery was enshrined in the Constitution of the United States for hundreds of years, practiced by supposedly devout christians. The U.S. was founded in a spirit of religious tolerance. When any human persecutes another for any reason, it is evil. If you call yourself a Christian, then know that you are far from Christ's example. Did he advocate slaying the Jews just because they disbelieved his message?
craigjones21 2 years ago
cj-Christianity ceased to be like Islam 300 years ago and I'm an atheist. You can be sure if Hinduism, Buddhism or Christianity was doing what Islam is then I'd be calling them out also.
There were Christians on both sides of the slavery issue and thankfully it has been abolished, but not in Islam. One of the dirty secrets of the Islam death cult is that Arabs continue to keep slaves like blacks from Sudan whom they recently conquered.
Islam was and remains the greatest force of evil on earth.
l1011l 2 years ago
Despite the fact that I disagree with you, I appreciate your intelligent counterpoints.
My next counterpoint is that Islam had its renaissance period too and I would argue that the more violent, fundamentalist of the 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world are only being stirred up by our country bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. If terrorists hid out in Texas we wouldn't carpet bomb it to get at them. We are just as guilty of terror.
craigjones21 2 years ago
cj-thanks and likewise. However there's no point arguing this further since we won't agree.
I'd invite you to leave Islam because it is evil as I've outlined but I don't think you care to listen to reason.
This incompatibility between the West and Islam will mostly likely only be resolved by guns and bombs, because religion is one of those things that is impermeable to rational argumentation.
Either muslims will Islamify the West or we will eliminate Islam and democratize muslim countries.
l1011l 2 years ago
I'm not a muslim. I defend the right of all to believe what they wish...muslim, christian or otherwise.
As for your genocidal fantasies, you can't eliminate 1.5 billion people without destroying the entire earth in the process. In this sense your arguments are completely irrational. Thankfully your voice has a very limited audience. Maybe enough to create some chaos, and hurt lots of innocents muslim and non-, but definitely not enough to fulfill your vision. Ever.
craigjones21 2 years ago
cj-nah you're a muslim its obvious, but keep lying. I said nothing about genocide, I said that the conflict between the West and Islam will only be resolved by war since they're incompatible.
You can eliminate Islam without killing a single muslim but I think we both know it won't be that easy, it'll take a war.
Don't forget muslims started this war since they aim to conquer all non-muslims and Islamify the world. We are forced to defend ourselves from your medieval, war-mongering death cult.
l1011l 2 years ago
So you think that only muslims would defend Islam as a valid belief system? BTW most christians want to turn the world christian, atheists want to turn the world atheist, etc. It's pretty standard. Active tolerance advocates are rare.
Violent extremists from opposing camps feed off each other. The muslims who advocate death to America are just your own mirror reflection, your brothers overseas, fighting for the same cause you do - death of "the other".
craigjones21 2 years ago
cj-so what you're saying is the rape victim as just as evil and culpable as the rapist cause she fought back. Your equivocation is invalid.
Believe what you want, the West is beginning to realize Islam is a backwards intolerant hateful and violent cult that needs to be annihilated, much like Nazism.
Nothing you say here will change that inevitability. Its true all ideologies want their world view to dominate but atheists/christians aren't resorting to terrorism or suicide bombing like muslims.
l1011l 2 years ago
America isn't a rape victim. It's currently the most powerful military force in the world. It would be easy for an Iraqi whose family was murdered by american bombs or Blackwater contractors to see us as an intolerant, hateful and violent nation that needs to be annihilated.
Extremists within many faiths have resorted to violence at different times in history to press their agenda. That doesn't justify annihilation or conversion of all members of that community for all time.
craigjones21 2 years ago
cj-my point was, if muslims are stupid enough to try to destroy America, whose fault is it if they get annihilated in return?
So what you're saying is that Iraqis were better off with Saddam's brutal rule, his rape and torture rooms, gassing and killing 400,000 Iraqi's instead of the freedom and democracy they got today?
Nearly all civilian deaths are due to muslims killing each other. If America intentionally wanted to target civilians, you think there'd be any Iraqis left standing today?
l1011l 2 years ago
So would say that Nazis had 'extremists' but the rest were good, decent moderate nazis/people? lol
As I've repeatedly shown here Islam is an extremist ideology, muslims are no different than Nazis, except they kill you for being the wrong religion, while Nazis killed you for being the wrong race.
By the way my view is shared by many prominent intellectuals and the 150 million Americans who supported the "warmonger" McCain and not the traitorous Dem party or muslim Obama-he's not our president.
l1011l 2 years ago
At this point you just dismissed every intelligent counterpoint I made and returned to the beginning of the pre-recorded loop of hate in your brain which was planted there by brainwashing right-wing talk radio. It is a closed loop which doesn't allow in logic or true debate. Therefore I'm done. Good luck with your doomed, dead-end crusade.
craigjones21 2 years ago
cj-you mean I've refuted (not dismissed) your points. Yes of course whenever anyone disagrees with a muslim, its not that they have any valid reasons to do so, but its "hate".
Its ironic coming from the followers of the most hateful, violent war-mongering cult that's slaughtered countless millions of people.
Yes I hate Islam, I hate small-minded brainwashed religious psychopathic muslims who want to destroy my country and way of life. Hate is good-it tells us what is evil and needs eliminating
l1011l 2 years ago
Absolutely right 1011!
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
vickypeace-thanks glad we agree.
l1011l 2 years ago
Extremism in the name of God, Allah or whatever is an insult for this God. God is love and hate can only be from Satan. Mohammed himself had doubts that he was inspired by Satan (he said so to Khadija his 1st wife).
vickypeace2000 2 years ago 3
vickypeace, Islam has never included love for either from its god or love for humanity, it is against love and speacially peace for humanity. Islam has been and will always remain a cult of death & martyrdom. Muhammads acts and deeds are proof of his satanic cult and his followers continued his reign of terror till today.
seanamico 2 years ago
Sean, I totally agree. And the problem it wouldn't have been exposed if it weren't for their horrible criminal acts all over the world. They've got rage man!
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
vicky, the rage is from the religion, from the founder Muhammad. If you read Quran it has a lot of warpt & twisted plagiarization of other religions and the rest is to hate, kill and enslave.
Even if they grow without rage you see how they are in Europe, some Imam or Mullah scum moves there, looks for the typical uneducated ignorant Muslim and recruits them to do what they normally would not do and that is to kill for no reason in the name of Satan=Allah.
seanamico 2 years ago
|1011|, you have asked for this. Reza is an intelligent person that's why he's on TV and has written two popular books. What are you? Some high school drop out junk sitting out there to spread hate. Please edify yourself before opening your mouth or better keep it shut. Man, you got to respect people of other faiths. Extremists are every where. I'm not defending Al-Qaeda, etc. If you ask me invasion of Iraq is also a terrorist attack. Do you ever think about those orphans, widows, homeless...
rahulkhanna0091 2 years ago
rahul-bitch STFU and go back to whatever sewer you climbed out of. Don't make e-threats, or you might end up in Gitmo. I don't "got to" respect any faith that doesn't respect me-particularly your death cult.
Yes extremists are everywhere-they are also called muslims. No I don't care about muslim widows whose husband went to fight the jihad by smashing 4 yr old Jewish girl's heads with rocks like Sami Kunter, or their suicide bombing terrorist children they give birth to.
Be smart-leave Islam.
l1011l 2 years ago
I was wrong. You are some grade school drop out. Please have some education. Does your dad operate Gitmo? Junks like you can't even get into White House and meet the president still you talk as if you are a man of authority. Some poor junk who has nothing to do except spreading hate. Learn some manners. Ask yourself: Who am I? You are nothing and that's the reason you are here to comment on Reza Aslan's video and not vice versa. People don't give a shit to what you spread bcoz of your poor educa
rahulkhanna0091 2 years ago
Rahul, what you are doing is e-terrorism! You can't justify the unjustifiable because you get more ridiculous when you try!
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
Did you try to say that someone is a loser because the cannot get into the White House to meet the President? Because if you did, youre an idiot.
christiancantarutti 2 years ago
the whole of Islam is not terrorists. there are a lot of different kinds of Muslims just like there are a lot of different kinds of Christians. there are extremists for everything, not just Islam, and America's done some stupid violent stuff too. point is, you're either ignorant or atheist
PandorasExecutioner 2 years ago
The koran is like mein kampf of herr Hitler.
Hitler had nice describtion but that were only two pages. The koran is made up similar.
RoadlessPath 2 years ago
koran is a religious text just as the bible is. often up to interpretation. Hitler was Christian but he's by no means a representative of all Christians or suggests that all Christians may reach his extremity. likewise. Islam is just going through the motions of a typical religion.
PandorasExecutioner 2 years ago
Hitler might be brough up as a christian but his politic was based on National Socialism.
Islam is not going through the same motions of a typical religion. I know about islam. Reforming islam would mean only more radical islam, more muslims shouting for sharia.
RoadlessPath 2 years ago
Hitler pretty much wanted death to all things that weren't to his liking. Religious intolerance was one of his policies.
either way though, the world is more global. religious states besides the vatican are going to have a reality check. the fusion of religion and state just isn't practical and won't work long. they'll become more secular and people as of now *are* acting to reform the government. check: protesters in Tehran. i see a lot of women and students in that crowd. i have hope.
PandorasExecutioner 2 years ago
Secular is not it. Turkey is modern and secular but the christians living there are having a hard time and have no equal changes. sow we would object to in the west is normal in the secular state, and thats not even one country. Egypt with the coptic christian.
RoadlessPath 2 years ago
About the protesters in Tehran I can only saw that I doubt if something good comes out of that. We in the west think that change in such country is better. But what do we know realy?
Don't get met wrong I hope thinks change, but the change I hope to see is much more and different.
RoadlessPath 2 years ago
Futhermore: I have read that the leaders of Iran know which groups there are and they have a very what full eye. Sometime they let the protest images out in the world to put up on the wrong trail. I'am sorry if I break you hope, but Islam is something different then other religion. I which it where, but it isn't.
RoadlessPath 2 years ago
er. okay. scrambled english. not your native language? but it's okay, i understood. i'm pretty sure everyone has their own dream of a perfect nation. i try no to be cynical but even beyond religion, people are nasty to each other. that's why i'm cynically saying what's happening with Islam isn't new. jihad, it's hate and self-righteousness. i *hope* good will come out of the protests, but you're right. maybe not. and maybe people will never get along and love their differences
PandorasExecutioner 2 years ago
"Man, you got to respect people of other faiths."
People who think it's a good thing to believe things for which they have no evidence deserve no respect. They are intellectual failures and anachronisms. Would you "respect" an adult who believe in the tooth fairy? Seriously... grow up.
When they also believe in things like divine command morality, they cross the line into "dangerous for mankind" territory in addition to philosophically illiterate.
Gnomefro 2 years ago
Rahul, you have to face the fact that the number of orphans, widows and victims( and the amount of pain) caused by Islamist terrrorist criminals is much greater!
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
Craig, remember that Hafiz al Assad bombed the city of Hama to destroy the Islamist terrorists using civilians as human shields!
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
thank you, this point is soo valid.
therealallpro 2 years ago 3
You're welcome, thanks for your comment. Too often I deal with leftist morons and muslims who call me a hatemonger for speaking the truth. We are in a very real life and death struggle against Islam. I've read the history of Islamic conquests and its brutal beyond imagination.
Muslims have decimated entire civilizations, they've been so successful because they are utterly ruthless, bloodthirsty and psychotic. They cannot be underestimate, we need to expel them before they become majorities.
l1011l 2 years ago
Reza, your my favorite religious guy!
tjockisgurra 2 years ago
this is 21st century, religion should have no place on this earth.
lianghaochen 2 years ago 29
@lianghaochen well it does have a place. deal with it
rianpop 1 year ago
@lianghaochen Your Religion or Their ?
badaustad 1 year ago
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@badaustad I have no religion.
lianghaochen 1 year ago
I kind of don't agree that religious leaders can't be kept out of the political process. They've been keeping the Catholic church out of the political process for a long time.
joewilder 2 years ago
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CitizenCindy 2 years ago
I totally messed up my post. I was thinking about Mexico. Sorry
joewilder 2 years ago
Oh. My mistake. No prob.
CitizenCindy 2 years ago
Reza is a mouthpiece for the fascist totalitarian movement of Islam. He talks nicely but has the same agenda that Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah and Islam does which is global domination.
Only his camp prefers the non-violent conquest, with massive muslim immigration/breeding until they are majorities and Islamify every country like they've done in Lebanon, Sudan and wherever this medieval death cult (which is responsible for killing 270 million non-muslims) has spread.
Islam is today's Nazism.
l1011l 2 years ago
while i agree with you on some of your points, rating a video like this any less than "worth watching" is childish.
;d
666norton420 2 years ago
your post is retarded, I said nothing about whether this video is 'worth watching' or not.
l1011l 2 years ago
I get the sense you know very little about Muslims and Nazism.
Sardonac 2 years ago
I cede to you the points about the homicidal activity of the Islamic faith.
But "Reza is a mouthpiece for... Islam?"
I doubt it. He seems to be a secularist and likely an atheist.
His phrase about allowing those groups to be allowed to fail on the marketplace of ideas does not sound to me like a comment of a religionist about his own beliefs.
As to islamification? As different beliefs mingle, people toss out ridiculous ones, which include extremes of all three of the Abrahamic tribes.
DavidWillB 2 years ago
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His phrase about those groups being allowed to fail on the marketplace of ideas does not sound to me like a comment of a religionist about his own beliefs.
DavidWillB 2 years ago
david-I've seen Reza in debates and heard his comments he is a muslim, I've never once heard him declare he's an atheist.
Also his book "No god but god" is a famous muslim phrase and if I recall correctly it comes out of the Quran.
He's a muslim in secularist clothing. Watch his debate with Sam Harris if you have any doubts.
I might've given him the benefit of the doubt if I heard him denounce Islam or even the fundies...he does no such thing.
He's just a crafty little weasel.
l1011l 2 years ago 4
l1011l - I watched the Sam Harris debate with him last night to see... man are you ever right!
Reza is seriously a weasel!
The whole debate he was squirmin around tryin to sound like he's making a valid point but he was just trying to undermine Sam Harris' points by calling Sam 'out of touch' without real examples or facts.
Reza talks loud and fast to SEEM like the dominant speaker... don't be fooled.
I checked and Reza is Shi'a Muslim...
Reza is a weasel in secularist clothing!
shanemccurdy 2 years ago 5
shane-thanks and glad you agree. People like Reza are the intellectual enablers of Islamic totalitarianism in the West. They are highly adept at posing as liberals but are muslim to the core.
These muslims are professional liars who do damage control and cover for the jihad. Whenever muslims carry out acts of terrorism these scoundrels are out blaming our gov't or poverty and will never admit or allow Islam to be named as the root cause-which it is.
The goal of all muslims is to conquer us.
l1011l 2 years ago 4
I would alter your statement to say that "The goal of all muslim *extremists* is to conquer us". This is not islam, it is a fanatical offshoot which doesn't represent the vast majority of muslims, who are peaceful and just want to live their lives in peace.
Just like the goal of some radical, militant christian fundamentalist sects is to conquer the earth "in the name of God".
A misguided zealot is a misguided zealot, no matter what faith they profess to believe in.
I'm agnostic.
craigjones21 2 years ago
cj-that's false, since Islam is extremist ideology, prophet Mohammad was a pedophile terrorist and warlord:
Sura 8:12 - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Qur'an 9:5 - Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.
Qur'an 8:39 - So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.
l1011l 2 years ago
Here's more from the "religion of peace":
SAHIH BUKARI VOLUME 8, BOOK 82, HADITH .795:
The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so
they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that
their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes
should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their
cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die.
---
The reality is that there is no such thing as a radical or a moderate muslim or Islam. Its a death cult.
l1011l 2 years ago
Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be MURDERED or CRUCIFIED or their HANDS and their FEET should be CUT OFF on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned
etc, etc...
Islam religion of war, death, hatred, murder, slavery, savagery, insanity, misogyny, child molestation, honor killing, deception, fascism, totalitarianism, anti-freedom, barbarism, thievery...Islam is pure evil.
l1011l 2 years ago
You could use similar "bad quotes" out of context from the Bible:
"In the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has commanded you.
— Deuteronomy 20:16-17"
The LORD commands: kill without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children
— Ezekiel 9:5-6
craigjones21 2 years ago
The difference is that Christians no longer practice this barbarity because the West went through the Enlightenment and Reformation.
The muslim world had no such advancement where they seperated church/state and discarded all the violent passages.
Islam remains as violent and as intolerant as it was when it was invented in the 7th century by that psychopath Mohammad.
You don't need to take my word for it, since its on our TV screens on a daily basis, 12,000 muslim terrorist attacks since 911.
l1011l 2 years ago
sardonac-do all you muslims read from the same script? The same comments over and over.
davidwillb-he's just a shrewd talker, he wants those terrorists organizations to be accepted and treated as legitimate.
The won't "fail in the marketplace of ideas" since Hamas won by a landslide because most Palestinians want to annihilate the Jews.
Also we've seen in Iraq what happens when you cede the market to terrorists. lol
Quite the contrary, muslims have not rejected jihad and global domination.
l1011l 2 years ago
what is the cow doing now
MrRightAllTime 2 years ago