Psychiatry, Coercion as Cure, Thomas Szasz Book Review

[Transmintosity]

I have been in two hospitals over the last ten years, everyday a number of people were held there against their will, whether they went in voluntarily or not. Once you are in there, you have no legal recourse, as I found out, yet the toadying lay apologists for psychiatric authority like persianelephant deny this reality, well documented in the literature. What you must ask is, for whose benefit is this denial and implicit mockery of the suffering of others? Despicable toads!

[LordShivasServant]

I love this guy, he's a real rogue

[persianelephant]

So psychiatrists are in it for the money?

Psychiatrists are one of the lowest earning medical specialties (they earn less than family docs on average and half as much as surgeons). Yet med school + residency for a psychiatrist is 8-9 years long (compare that to to 6 for a family doc). Noone in their right mind would go into psych unless they genuinely cared for people with mental disease. Just saying....

I'm a rehab doctor in training and I know psychiatrists that help people live normal lives

[LordShivasServant]

@persianelephant Yes, that "in it for the money" is certainly a nice little catchphrase to pull people in, but the people who supply psychiatrists with the drugs they peddle are most certainly in it for the money. Their carelessness for life being a big indicator of that.

Keep looking down this route, because there is no basis for chemical treatment of mental illness and people like yourself MUST KNOW THIS. The lives of others will be in your hands.

And by the way, fair fucks to ya! :D

[persianelephant]

@LordShivasServant Thanks for your reply. But I don't think you understood the point of my post. I wasn't here to debate the scientific findings just point out some errors in reasoning. Since you brought up the scientific aspect, I'll give you my opinion.

It'If you do a search in the pubmed database on 'serotonin' and 'depression' you will find around 8000 studies on the subject- now that's a lot of research...

[LordShivasServant]

@persianelephant lol well that's hardly an opinion. More of an observation.

I'll quote Stefan Molyneux and Dr. Szasz and say such observations are observations of a symptom and not an illness itself. Semantics, sure if you want, but it's not really semantics when you're the one falsely imprisoned by a psychiatrist.

[persianelephant]

@LordShivasServant Those arguments are based more on ideology than scientific evidence- Whether you frame something as a symptom or an illness does not make it any easier to cope with or treat. A rose is still a rose even if you call it by a different name. I was simply responding to your assertion that there is no scientific evidence. As doctors we are trained to look critically at data and not let our personal ideologies prevent us from treating people who need help.

[LordShivasServant]

@persianelephant Ok, missed the first part of your message.

Gotta disagree, as someone who's studied NLP and linguistics in general, how you frame something dramatically changes how to relate to it. And if it's a problem it will determine if and how you're able to cope with it.

Not like any of this matters. You're a good soul, best of luck with your schooling and career.

[persianelephant]

@LordShivasServant Thanks a lot. Your idea of framing things in a functional way to help people cope is very interesting. I didn't consider that but I'll keep it in mind.

[persianelephant]

@LordShivasServant It seems that your objections to are mainly based on ethical arguments (violation of human rights, patient autonomy). I respect your ethical arguments and share your concerns about patient rights. But once again you've missed the point. I'm not here to debate the ethical dilemma of treating involuntary patients. My last post was to address your statement that scientific evidence is nonexistent. Just because you aren't aware of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist!

[LordShivasServant]

@persianelephant No, no. Hold on a second. You've misinterpreted what I've said. These studies evidence the symptoms of a physical disease and not a mental ailment. I wasn't suggesting that scientific observation of biology was nonexistent. lol That'd be fucking stupid.

[Transmintosity]

@persianelephant Psychiatric eisegetes don't see one piece of evidence without stamping their prejudices all over it. Psychiatric researchers have about as much respect for science as they do their disobedient slaves, none.

[whiff1962]

And there is no hard evidence at present that clearly marks off any mental illness with its biological cause. There are, of course, all the bells and whistles at the employ of the therapeutists, and such pseudoscientific blandishments do serve the enterprise well in the furtherance of its many agenda-and of the continued pouring in of federal-state dollars! Psychiatry is a moral-legalistic enterprise, and one that never seeks earnest confrontation and self-corrections. All the better.

[persianelephant]

@LordShivasServant To say that there is 'no scientific basis' is essentially ignoring 30 years of research. For example: 1) genetic differences in serotonin receptors between depressed and nondepressed. 2) twin studies that have shown heritability phenomena of depression. 3) brain imaging studies showing decreased left frontal cortex activity in depressed individuals. 4) animal studies where specific lesions caused depressive symptoms. 5) clinical trials using SSRIs showing 55-70% success rate

[Mrscientificmethod]

@persianelephant 'clinical trials using SSRIs showing 55-70% success rate' This is very much in dispute. Latest meta-analysis shows clearly that SSRI's are no better than a placebo. That negative results from clinical trials have been suppressed. That the side effects from SSRIs are more damaging than the depression itself. That since the introduction of SSRIs the incidence of depression has rapidly increased.. not diminished.

[Transmintosity]

@persianelephant You confuse science with psychiatric hermeneutics. The brain imaging studies tell us hee-haw. All people's brains are unique. For example with 'schizophrenia' (a panchreston), they claim that antomical difference equates to disease. It's bullshit! The MRI studies and CT studies told us absolutely nothing apart from the fact that psychiatrist and the researchers are so arrogant, they confuse their prejudices and desires with reality

[Transmintosity]

@persianelephant The twin studies are classic example of bad science and the brain imaging studies of circular logic. Read Bentall, he conclusively and comprehensively exposes the arrogance of these people who, despite being the enemies of science, always claim to have a monopoly on it

[persianelephant]

@LordShivasServant I share your concerns that many mental health problems can and should be dealt with using non-medicative methods such as therapy, lifestyle modification, addressing family/social problems, change in exercise/diet.

But unfortunately doctors often have to do the best they can with limited tools. A cardiologist for example will prescribe BP lowering meds for hypertension. But what about the lifestyle, diet, and stress? Those are part of the disease as well.

[persianelephant]

@LordShivasServant The current medical model is great at managing symptoms but not great at dealing with the root causes of diseases. A cardiologist's expertise lies in prescribing meds to manage high blood pressure but often they do a poor job of getting to the root cause of the problem: perhaps overeating? stressful job? too much sodium? poor lifestyle? Most of the time the patient is left alone to deal with those issues. :S

[Mrscientificmethod]

@persianelephant What do you think of Robert Whitaker's book.. The Anatomy of an Epidemic'? He would dispute that the current medical model is great at managing symptoms. In fact since the introduction in the 1950's of drugs to treat 'mental illness' the incidence of mental illness has skyrocketed. (Compare this with the introduction of antibiotics and it's effects on tuberculosis or syphilis.) How come this has happened?

[Transmintosity]

@persianelephant What a load of pish! Are you honestly, in all seriousness claim that everyone who works in psychiatry is animated by such noble intentions? Are you living in some sort of historical and human vacuum? What about what psychiatrist are mandated to do, and how this is often contrary to the interests of the patients? Szasz once said 'that power corrupts, and has a tendency to draw corrupt people'. Or as Acton, 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'.

[Transmintosity]

@persianelephant You might want to stop listening to what psychiatrists say and start examing what they do. Power, is a like a magnet for megalomaniacs and despots. Some psychiatrists may be suffused with noble intentions, who cares? To adapt to the environment of repressive modern institutions that aren't accomodating to individuals, one must stay in the good graces of those whom you are an agent of, namely the state, the community and the family.

[Transmintosity]

@persianelephant Psychiatrists are arseholes, habitually practising coercion and violence; forcing people to take some of the most toxic drugs in the entire pharmacopeia, only to have you fritter away your sentiments on the poor oppressors, ah, diddums! If psychiatrists were of a highly developed moral code, then they wouldn't be psychiatrists.

[whiff1962]

@persianelephant It is inconceivable that doctors get into psychiatry for reasons other than compassionate care for human suffering? When I too was a member of the faith of psychiatric mysticism, I nevertheless came away with the feeling that I was being talked down to. In retrospect, I have never met a shrink I liked. As for the assertion that shrinks help people live normal lives, I say that speaks volumes of the self-importance of these social engineers. I think you are proselytizing.

[persianelephant]

Lol I don't think some people realize how rare involuntary commitment is. Probably 99% of a psychiatrists patients are there by their own free will. Today doctors take a patient centered approach- involving the patient in every treatment decision. Some people also don't realize that almost half of antidepressants are prescribed by family doctors now. What are we going to do? Ban them too??

[Transmintosity]

@persianelephant You are simply wrong, and your pro-psychiatric slavery agenda makes me want to puke. If you actually read Szasz, instead of just reading people who prettify the actions of those psychiatrists you are so enamoured of. Cui bono? Or are you just extremely ignorant the nature of psychiatry? There by their own free will? You can't conceal a lie forever my friend.

[learn54]

"put your Orwell ears on." Classic statement. Most people do not even know what you mean.

[learn54]

Psychiatry replaced religion as the primary mechanism of social control until media (print, radio, tv, movies) came in; then they worked together.

[learn54]

Thank God. A psychologist who does not walk in lock step with the party line of the scientific dictatorship. Thank you for having the courage to disagree with the powers that be.

[learn54]

To quote a very reliable, young felow from a Mad Max movie: "We're all dead meat!"

[MrJohnnyrace]

The statement that is timeless.

[DrAvrington]

A very good presentation. However, sense you've brought up the Constitution and the First Amendment, what if those same freedoms are granted to those who belief, as in religious belief, that holds theological jurisprudence and theo-political goals to replace the Constitution and its First Amendment with anti-freedom totalitarianism re: Islam, Sharia and an Islamic Society comparable to Yemen,Turkey,Syria or the deserts of Arabia? Libertarianism is a fine concept however in it too has problems.

[blackacidlizzard]

@DrAvrington

The first amendment doesn't say "the right to make laws in accordance with one's religious beliefs." Let theocrats whine and demand all they want, let their voices be heard - as long as we never abide by their demands.

Now there is a problem, I would say not in libertarianism, but in the idea that one can maintain a democracy which values freedom. Power over man corrupts so let's give it to all men? Perhaps better to give it to none.

[DrAvrington]

@blackacidlizzard You are entirely correct however, and thanks to America not being a democracy, this problem is somewhat protected. However in democracies where "majority" votes actually dictates laws this is a problem especially when those whom profess to a theo-political belief construct that demands the abolishing of the host's political, cultural, religious and legal foundations are breeding their way to power it becomes entirely relevant. The Constitution is the best form no question...

[blackacidlizzard]

@DrAvrington

I'm not aware of any absolutely pure democracy. The US has always had a democratic element to its government.

"The Constitution is the best form no question"

It was the best way to get us to where we are today. I know many people are happy with the result, I am not one of them.

[DrAvrington]

@blackacidlizzard I think you would very much enjoy John T. Flynn's "Decline of the American Republic". I am one who is most certainly depressed with the situation America is in. Before all of these major international Socialist plotting, namely Free Trade with assistance of "trade unionism", America was the most productive and creditor nation on Earth. Post "Free Trade" down...down...down we go gently down the hopper....

[gonzalezjay]

Will be buying this book based on your review..Thank you Dr. Breeding

[tridentmovies]

@lactoseme

This again? Szasz agrees with scientologist on psychology. That is the nature of their cooperation. NOTHING else.

I've stated elsewhere, to state that one should not trust Szasz because he agrees and cooperates with Scientologists on one issue is like stating that anti-war protesters should not cooperate simply because some are from the left and some are from the right. Even scientologists are right about some things.

[docshaman]

Good work Dr. Breeding!

[cheugon]

There's not a person in America who can walk into a psychiatrist's office whithout the "Doctor" trying to put him/her on drugs.



[mygalmo]

Thank you Dr. Breeding!!! I bought the book some years ago and have corresponded with Thomas Szazs on a few occassions and I cannot imagine what our world would be without him! People needed to be aware of the horrors behind psychiatry and I don't think there could have been a better person to deliver and expose these horrific truths as profoundly as Thomas Szasz has! I also commend you immensly for this review! Very well explained! Thank you much!!!

[whiff1962]

The "right to treatment" law is a most dubious, statist law!

[Transmintosity]

@whiff1962 It isn't even a right, is it? What next, the right of disenfranchised, sexually frustrated people to be raped by those in power for their 'libidinal illness', the act detoxified with the language of therapeutism and paternalism? It is the psychiatrist's right, the community's right, the government's right, the family's right, but not the powerless individual's right.

[maryellen728]

Bought the book. Amazon.

Thanks Dr. Breeding.

[DesteniPoliticsAus]

Psychiatry is the new money engine

For money as God

The true god nobody wants to admit exists

Because his love is the root of all evil

[MetalBru01]

@DesteniPoliticsAus Hail xenu!

[kevinneslund]

Just thought of this. John Breeding and Tommy Chong could pass for twins.

[globbo100]

Howard Zinn passed away recently.

[mccluskey]

pseudoskeptics seem to be a big part of this as well. Personality profiles are online of that type.

[musicldy61]

I would love to write a book about all trials and tribulations I have had with the bout they labeled me with bi-polar. Which is actually Trama caused by my ego or self status in the world. I actually cam corded my mania as I could feel it coming on. I had and actual cam recording with my doctors visit with his consent.before I was pushed by family into the hospital. They wanted me to be sedated and kept in a state they could control my thinking. Then and their I found theunderlying truthabus

[robertsmith2004]

This includes giving a false history, tampering with drug tests, lying about disability to receive benefits, misleading court officials to receive more lenient sentences, and so on.

[Severian6of9Nessus]

That's easy; rudeness and extreme hostility toward one's neighbors constitutes bad manners, and there are natural human consequences for that. Hitting, menacing or even killing other people is criminal misconduct, and may be dealt with as such. All you have to do is stop indulging jerks, and deal with violent crime in the usual manner!

[anonymousexposed]

Thanks for the review. Dr. Szasz truly is a unique and valuable man, and I suspect you are, as well. Keep up the good work.

[medicinecougar3]

Thank you for having the courage to portray honesty and integrity-both in such short supply in the psychiatric fields.

You have my respect.

Blessings & Love,

Csm

[nellah007]

could yo include titles in spanish, thanks very much

[drewsiferdrew]

Does he begin by puking in his mouth a little bit?

[selfhatredcreep]

can you add subtitles?

[dsmfishgal]

Maybe if you lowered the microphone it would be easier to hear you. What I understand definitely impresses me and I will check out this book. Thanks for the review and explanation! ;-)

[zezt]

2---The only post that was allowed was a question about psychedelic healing. The other members there quoted Coercion as Cure--about LSD in the negative.

I read the piece online and think Szasz is wrong about potentials of psychedelic healing.

he dwells on the propaganda against LSD from the counterculture years.

I am think about doing a critique about it on my blog

[senorvergara]

go talk to a victim of LSD about it, use yourself as a guinea pig and find out for yourself about that shit.

[zezt]

Look. I had LSD when I was 15, in the days when it was still in pill form and extremely powerful and went on to have more Trips. so i DO know what I am talking about. Neither myself nor others that I know suffered what you and the propaganderists claim.

I notice though you are usually silent about the worse danger of psychiatric medication!

have YOU ever had LSD?

[maggoli67]

I have a great deal of respect for your humble and passionate elaboration of your position. It was interesting to see where the bed rest prescription came from...had heard of it in many old movies, but never realized it was part of this psychiatric world view.

[Snotspillz]

You are still on an acid trip from the 60's.

[SuperPi70]

(I apologize, the last post was clearly meant for the "whiff" troll). Thank you psychetruth (and I suppose Dr. Breeding) for a very interesting video. Dr. Szasz's book is certainly worth looking into.

[catgumart]

I'm listening and trying to think of ways to help, treat people who fall into this "category" people who would be forced drugged, alienated, labeled mentally ill, I agree with this video, I have been strongly pressured to take meds, and have been on meds for "mental health" problems, difficulties I still experience now, but how can we help people, how far away from change are we? Even the liberal politicians are very conventional, I have ideas but they are unconventional...

[blupheonix44]

@catgumart

The ENTIRE cast of Jersey Shore.... Medicate and remove them from the rest of us decent folk.....

[whiff1962]

Oh, give us a break, you anti-semitic illiterate. Instead of just making blanket statements(really, pharmaceuticals underwriting youtube?), why not back your statements up. BTW, are you sure that Szasz is not a Hungarian Jew? You wouldn't want to sully your pristine mind.

[SuperPi70]

Oh dear, a little "whiff" of temper. Tsk. A negative comment and we have automatically the label of "anti-Semitism" (by which you mean "anti-Jewish" since many Arabs are also of Semitic origin). Oh, and "illiterate" means "unable to read or write" and/or "of little or no education". Dr. Breeding is clearly able to read, write and has had a high education. So keep your slurs private, troll.

[whiff1962]

The statement I was responding to could be construed as code for anti-Semitic hate speech, and has no place in a dispassionate conversation on this video-and the same goes for my attack of an ignorant comment.

[catgumart]

A person can say anything they want and choose to believe it out of convenience or if it benefits them to hold that position. Even if they know it is untrue they will cling to it untill you can bring some kind of tangible undeniable proof, and even then they might choose to deny out of pride. Certain things are subjective and their truth is relative to context or individual, then some truths can be contradictory and exist at the same time, and not have any rules surrounding them. This is my opp.

[FlowingGeisha]

What a weird surname.

[beodorn]

people always called me special .

i am surelly weird .

but really im just supper normal .

[prokopton]

That's a very enlightening comparison: Psychiatry is the new Religion as a form of social control.

Clinton slid a cigar up a vagina of an intern, Eliot Spitzer used the services of prostitutes while he was Governor of New York, Christie Brinkley's husband had an affair with a teenager and spent $3,000/month on porn...If these people weren't rich or influential, I'm sure they'd be labeled as mentally ill and put on drugs.

[antipodkayne]

No, prokopton. Behaviour you described is a behaviour of a filthy perv, not mentally ill.

[shounenbat510]

Psychiatry makes no distinction between them.

[antipodkayne]

Well, I make. If someone has a serious, disabling brain disease like schizophrenia, and he/she hears voices, that is different thing than have a filth or gore fetish or, damn it, write a book about anal aliens - yes, Stephen King, I´m looking at you!

[whiff1962]

They could still be labeled and medicated if they so chose to see a shrink for their respective "illnesses" . Sin and personal responsibility have given way to mental illness and disorder for many an unacceptable behaviour: This is one insidious danger that the MH profession poses, and it should be challenged(intelligently, and on logical grounds).

[smallpeckerman]

Weak sense of self leaves one vulnerable to diagnose themselves mentally ill,or by doctors if they really loose it.

Strong sense of self the other way,and taking to extreme,psychopathy or sociopath (according to DSM again)

No one gets out free it seems(in terms of labels).No one is normal according to the DSM manual,so don't bother TRYING to be NORMAL,i say ;) HHHmmm!!!!! is big brother onto me now!!!

[smallpeckerman]

Weak sense of self leaves one vulnerable to diagnose themselves mentally ill,or by doctors if they really loose it.

Strong sense of self the other way,and taking to extreme,psychopathy or sociopath (according to DSM again)

No one gets out free it seems(in terms of labels).No one is normal according to the DSM manual,so don't bother TRYING to be NORMAL,i say ;) HHHmmm!!!!! is big brother onto me now!!! We all judge,but he /she in positions of power WIN in the moral heirarchy.

[LAMusicAwards]

The title of the book is exactly what the Department of State will use to achieve consensus to move their corporate agendas.

So easy to use on the timid pathetic and weak media addicts.

Coercion is like taking candy from a baby when speaking in public is a populace's number one fear.

[taoid69]

far out

[waterlogged22]

Read "The Yellow Wallpaper" (short story) by a woman who was treated by Weir Mitchell. She focuses on the "rest cure"

[sssskeptic]

First of all, learn to pronounce non-maleficence. You're a psychologist; you should probably know how to pronounce such an important term in psychology even though you call it "goobly-gook".

Second of all, you claim you don't believe in mental illnesses and yet you make reference to dementia and alzheimers coming into effect at an older age. They are mental diseases (dementia being a form of alzheimer's).

Either mental disorders exist, or they do not. Make up your mind already.

[TabooRealities]

I don't get it.

Are you actually operating at a low 80s IQ and making up for it by talking down to people because that tricks other low intelligent people who also miss the main points?

Or is this all a scheme to justify willful ignorance so you don't have to take responsibility?

Or are you just a jerk?

Or is there something else? Perhaps you are a 7 year old with an exceptional vocabulary?

[phloridababe]

your talkin about a "science" mostly based on freud (wanted to screw his mommy, had a cocaine addiction and tortured children)

ive studied psycology and its a crock, i dropped it and became a bartender bc i actually wanted to help people. all you have to do is listen, thats all people want. and astrology shows you what mental/phys probs each sign endures. (like pisces is a depressed person)

its all to make money and make folks think they are nuts.

blessings to all!

[sssskeptic]

As you should know if you studied psychology, psychology has come a LONG way from Freud. Although I'd like to know when, where and how Freud apparently tortured children.

You're comparing psychology with astrology? I'm not even going to get into an argument about that. Although I will say that Pisces does NOT mean you are depressed. It means (according to astrology) you MAY be susceptible to depression, not that you have a depressive disorder.

Psychology is about helping people, not money.

[sssskeptic]

FYI, my IQ is above average according to the WAIS-IV.

Second of all, someone with an IQ of below 80 would generally not have the language skills that I have displayed in my posts.

What am I supposed to be taking responsibility for exactly?

I'm a jerk? I was simply stating back what Dr. Breeding said in his video and challenging his points on mental illness (which doesn't exist according to him, yet he makes videos about it and is a psychologist..?).

Also, what don't you get exactly?

[onegodus]

most psychiatrists are criminals and say people are mentally ill to profit from treating them. psychiatry was used forever by criminals in government to drug people and control them including politicians and other persons.

[TabooRealities]

The 'Bad Gene' theory is the foundation of some evil stuff.

It is the prime thread of reasoning behind the Nazi holocaust... and many of the Nazi doctors and scientists wrote glowingly about U.S. eugenics programs based on the same idea. The Nazi's just took it another step forward. But these ideas are still VERY prevalent (informally) with powerful people in America, including 'elite' psychiatrists - and the eugenics programs also continue, but now in more concealed deceptive ways.

[whiff1962]

At one time, the 1920's and early 1930's, if my memory serves me, the twenty-five states had some type of eugenics-based law on the books. There is also that slavery thing. But no need to split hairs.

[prettyposeur]

But is it ethical to leave these mentally ill people on the street if unable to get them help without use of coercion?

Schizophrenia is so prevalent in the homeless population of Canada, but most people just attribute their unusual behavior and economic disposition to the persons rather than the disorders.

These people need help, and I'm not sure how they would

receive help if not forced into it somehow.

(a little off topic, but it's a thought that popped in my head while watching this video)

[onegodus]

most of the homeless are abused or drug addicts. drugs make people mentally ill both legal and illegal. most of those in the street are there because psychiatrist already put their hands on them and drugged and made them lose their minds. once the medical coverage won't pay, they are left sick. you see it is all for profit. it is all about money, the criminal doctors turn people into mentally ill and then treat them untill all their money runs out. the point is to keep them sick and cash cows.

[Transmintosity]

@prettyposeur The reason why the don't want help is because they don't need it. It's all lies. Your comment also seems to presuppose that psychiatrists have the panaceas for all human ills. This doesn't comport well with the truth. The reason why they don't want help is not because of anosognosia or anything, but because they are human beings who don't want help, and they should be treated pursuant to the rights enshrined in the constitution.

[Transmintosity]

@prettyposeur It is just that psychiatric dogmas are so embedded in the fabric of the mass psyche, we have lost touch of reality. I'm sorry to shock you, but people don't tend to experience coercion as therapeutic, but as an act of existential violence. They find it emasculating, and an encroachment on their private space. Sadly, we have been culturally conditioned to believe that these people literally NEED help. Every man has a right to be let alone.

[spencerdev91]

Of course the book only looks at the negative aspects of psychiatry

[JazyGirl26]

uuhg...i only watch these phychetruth vids for nutrition with Natalie, this guys voice lost me pretty fast...

[citizenX9328g]

I think he's fantastic,his voice and delivery is completely perfect from where I'm sitting - if you see him in the thumbnail,maybe you should not click on it?

[TabooRealities]

Perhaps if we administered Methylphenidate we can cultivate the attention span needed to listen to what is good for you?

...if you are unwilling, electro-shock treatments can cure your uncooperativeness.

[TheLogicJunkie]

You're right; it's pretty damn boring.

[goatboyjnr]

excellent video

[TheLogicJunkie]

I actually prefer the Peter Breggin book, "Your Drug May Be Your Problem".

[JazyGirl26]

my drug is not my problem! Noooooooooooo!

[Seabrook78in]

Thanks for your help Dr. Breeding. I hope that one day the world will figure out the truth about the mental health system and start to see that not only do people get misdiagnosed but that there is the possibility of patients making a true full psychiatric recovery with little or no medication too! If anyone doubts it Google up the name Dr. Daniel Fisher or The National Empowerment Center!

[hollytoo]

Enjoyed as always - thank you!

[coolmask123]

thumb me up if you liked this video!