Hamas Has Turned Gaza Into Hub Of Terrorism Against Israel.

[sledge999]

Muslims are murdering innocent people all over the world - just like they have for 1400 years. God save the jews from the drooling psychotic muslims and their anti semitic left wing apologists.

[lawisdaname]

Lying scum,The ceasefire was broken by ISRAEL in the first week of September.

[lcktysplt]

How does this man sleep at night? Misrepresenting the facts and telling lies. As he said the sequence of events is important, and history clearly shows that Israel is the cause of all the problems, not Palestine. These recent events show for all to see the barbaric nature of the Israeli state. And listening to people like this show no regard whatever for the innocent children is stomach churning.

[empraptor]

lol Israel is cause of all problems?

As if Hamas didn't kill Israeli civilians. Their actions too are detrimental to the region.

I don't like hezi10's arguments either, but laying all the blame on Israel won't help resolve this issue.

Though I called all belligerent parties involved "religious savages" in order to effect some thought on the reader, I do think no one is "good" or "right". Continuing the same old approach to this issue by Israel/Palestine/US will come to the same results.

[empraptor]

what is the sequence of events that led to end of ceasefire? I've read the Israel broke the ceasefire but this guy says Hamas did.

[hezi10]

during the "ceasfire" in the months july-december 2008, hamas fired about 200 rockets and mortars. check out this on wikipedia:

List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2008.

in the past 8 years hamas fired about 4000!!!

check this in wikipedia:

List of Qassam rocket attacks

[empraptor]

My previous reply didn't post. Maybe because I tried to link to the wikipedia page you referred to.

I looked at the wikipedia page. I don't know where you got the 200 rockets & mortars figure but it's not from that page.

Quote from page:

"A total of 20 rockets and 18 mortars were launched from the signing of the ceasefire until the beginning of November."

If you look at the numbers on the page, it seems things were improving until Israel attacked Hamas in the tunnel in November.

[hezi10]

the 200 are from november. (same wiki page)

"it seems things were improving until Israel attacked Hamas in the tunnel in November."

improving? they fired during the ceasefire

and it was BEFORE the november tunnel attack.

it was pure luck that none of those 20 rockets and 18 mortars did not kill anyone.

some ceasefire. hamas ended the truce on dec' 18th. check dec' 18th and 19th on the same page in wiki.

did you see the list of qasam attacks?

7,500 rockets hit Sderot in 2001-2009

[bms4za]

hezi10 is talking rubbish. even the israeli foreign office website now states they the israelis broke the ceasefire. only after they went into gaza and killed 6 palestinians did hamas start RETALIATING with rockets. please please stop spreading BS. everybody around the world is starting to see the disgraceful excuses for human beings that zionists are. lying is nothing if youre willing to kill so many civilians for a political goal (elections coming up *hint hint*.

[bms4za]

ps. the israelis did it on november the 5th.

pps. since when has wikipedia been fact? its written by users. for the love of God, you make me laugh you guys.

[empraptor]

@hezi10

I wrote that things were improving until the tunnel was discovered/attacked because...

1. the number of rockets was dramatically lower during the ceasefire.

2. I can't find information confirming that it was in fact Hamas that fired those rockets during the ceasefire.

3. The number of attacks decreased each month during the ceasefire.

[hezi10]

empraptor, a ceasefire means NO ROCKETS AT ALL. what would you have said if one of those rockets had hit a school?

you said you dont know who fired the rockets.

well, since hamas are the elected government and they totaly control gaza it's their responsibility.

the caesefire was limited to 6 months and it expired on dec' 19th so "breaking the ceasefire" is not the reason for the current conflict.

[empraptor]

@hezi10

Did things not escalate after Nov. 4 during the ceasefire? When you say that current conflict has nothing to do with the ceasefire, do you mean that Israel and Hamas would be in conflict now even if relative calm had been maintained during the ceasefire?

What was the whole point of the ceasefire? Why don't they just kill each other off and get it over already. Do you hear that? That's the sound of Rapture-obsessed nuts fapping to the bloody hell that these people are creating.

[hezi10]

empraptor, you must understand the nature of hamas. it is a radical islamic terror organization, just like al kaida.their goal is to DESTROY israel and kill the jews.they are proud of it.

read the hamas charter(google it).you will find it is antisemitic in a sick way. furthermore, they deny the Holocaust.they are funded and equipped by iran.they commited hundreds of suicide attacks (promising heaven to the martyr). read about them before you pass judgment.

[empraptor]

What judgement? I just want them to stop fighting. It's not accomplished anything for either side except make money for weapons manufacturers, keep hawks in power in opposing side, and kill lots of people. Why do they think anything's going to change this time around?

I am sick of hearing about this ridiculous bloodfest. All these irrational idiots can all go frak each other up the ass with grenades for all I care.

[hezi10]

thats exactly the problem. as long as radical islam controls gaza there will be no peace.

long periods of ceasefire perhaps, but nothing more. thats the sad reality israel has to face.

I urge you to learn more about them and about other radical islamic groups all over the world, and you will realize how dangerous and fanatic they are (reminder 9/11).

[empraptor]

When you say 9/11, I cringe not because of the deaths on that day but because it let the Bush administration go to Iraq.

Hindsight is 20/20. US would have been better off not going to Iraq. Hell, why not throw Afghanistan in there too. We could have invested all the money in US.

This "War on Terror" business is fraked. Do you remember when Bush wanted to call this a "Crusade"? Bunch of fraking religious savages want to have it at each other? Fine. Just don't do it with my tax money.

[hezi10]

when I said 9/11 my point was that radical islam is dangerous to the whole world, not just to israel. it happend in england, spain, india, bali and more. Bush made a lot of mistakes but 9/11 came FIRST and only after it happend Bush responded to terror.

what the U.S does with its money is not my business. all I am saying is that israel is fighting a just war against "religious savages" and if israel loses the rest of the world will be next. you can at least agree with me on that.

[empraptor]

If Bush had paid attention and done his job, he wouldn't have neglected terror threats and wouldn't have neglected Israel/Palestine. That idiotic frakkup has less than a week left in the office but I'm still crossing my fingers hoping he doesn't end up killing us all.

And if the religious nuts want to fund wars, they should collect the gods-damned money from churches, mosques and synagogues and recruit there too. Leave the government out of it.

[DetRokCiti]

If your as educated on the subject as you claim then you would know that the reason of hatred towards the west by the Islamic community is America's policies in the ME are ALWAYS in favor Israel and Israel only!

This is an injustice every Muslim has engraved in there heart.

"savages" can be used to describe a government that illegally forces a people off there own property rendering them homeless, savage is a country that bombs UN buildings and schools. Zionism is more savage than Islam!

[trelon5]

dont bother conversing with hezi10. Its a documented reported fact that Israel broke the ceasefire by killing 6 hamas members near the border. The Irish Times reported it and Mark Regev admitted it. Even CNN admitted Israel broke the ceasefire, the video of it is on Youtube.

[hezi10]

disproportion??? so the israeli civilians should get out of the bombshelters,

get killed by hamas rockets and only after the death toll is equal israel is allowed to defend itself?!?

was the british response to the german attacks on london proportionate?

they leveled dresden and now they say israel is using too much force?!?!?!

hypocrites!!!