@TRESVEINTE haha i know man, just kidding, good video, found the information i was looking for. But still cant confirm it from an "official" source, if you know what i mean.
Hey guys I've a question, I just bought a cr7002a, which can play cds, vinyls and cassettes, but the problem is that whenever I play a vinyl on this devise the sound quality is not as crisp as cds or any other digital formats!!! I heard before that vinyls should have a better quality when it comes to sound,but the quality of my devise is not even as equal as mp3!Please someone tell me how i can fix this, if at all!!!!
@TheLordOmen Those 'nostalgia' type record players are not meant for high fidelity. They're meant for... nostalgia. From what I've heard, the needles on those things actually destroy records.
You'll have to get a decent stereo and hook a good turntable up to it.
I love the sound of vinyl, I like sliding them out of there covers, I like placing the needle on, and I like that my 70's vinyl Collection has NOT been touched up or mucked around with so it sounds just as it should sound as it did back then!
The reason that will blow speakers from the LP is the compression on it. A lot of processing that is required for cutting a lacquer is unnecessary for CD. But , because of the broader dynamic that results, that 'Boom' you are talking about becomes a sigh. They don't cut frequencies, but they do cut the processing. 'Broader dynamics' was the cry from audiophiles for years. Now that they have it, they don't like it. Worse, there are still guys mastering like it's all for FM radio. Sad.
Hmmm... You Raise A Very Interesting Point About Cutting Out Frequencies And Re-Mastering, I Have Noticed That On Old Recordings That Have Been Released On CD, I Have Also Noticed On A Lot Of 60's Recordings That The CD's Have A Great Deal Of Hiss & Background Noise Where The Original Vinyl Is Crystal Clear, Another Interestinfg Thing I Noticed Once Is I Recorded A CD To High Quality Cassette And On Later Playback The Cassette Had Less Hiss And Was Clearer Than The CD I Took It From???
I think vinyl or analog in theory should sound better because theoretically its 'bitrate' if you can even call it that is infinite since its analogue. Problem with analogue is wear and tear, assorted noises - clicks, pops, hiss.etc. I personally prefer digital as long as its mastered well. I'd love to hear SA CD or something like that one day just to compare with a standard CD version.
Vinyl has a big impact in your ears and goes straight through your brain you can actually enjoy fell the whole experience unlike CD is loud and clear but it just doesn't registered when you hear it.
Vinyl has an impact on your ears and goes directly through your brain when you hear a song, unlike a CD, you hear it but, it just doesn't registered then you say to your self...F*** what did i just hear? is there something missing?? hmmmm.
Vinyl has an impact on your ears and goes directly through your brain when you hear a song, unlike a CD, you hear it but, it just doesn't registered then you say to your self...F*** what did i just hear? is there something missing?? hmmmm.
Vinyl has an impact on your ears and goes directly through your brain when you hear a song, unlike a CD, you hear it but, it just doesn't registered then you say to your self...F*** what did i just hear? is there something missing?? hmmmm.
I´ve made exactly the same observations when comparing CD to vinyl. I have many albums on both formats and can´t think of one instance when the CD sounds better.
I´m using a pretty expensive valve CD player as well, but the vinyl still has a relaxed magic that just makes it a less fatiguing listen. And you´re dead right about what they´ve done to music of the 70´s, but it goes back further than that. Recordings from the 50´s and 60´s have also been destroyed during their conversion to digital.
Albums meant for cd sound best on cd. Albums meant for vinyl sound best on vinyl. It IS all about the mastering.
CD is not a horrible thing, contrary to what a lot of wannabe audiophiles say. The biggest problem today is the wall of sound mastering used on cd, rather than the cds themselves.
When Cd's first came out, before the loudness wars, people basically worshipped the things. They were clear, they were sharp, they had a better range than vinyl. Mastering screwed it all up from there.
great, I think the same about vinyls, but!!! is possible when I hear a vinyl remove via software or hardware the little scraths? sometimes I even hear with a new vinyl or mint! why I want remove? BEACUSE that is not part of the recording of the band, that is not part of the music! I mean when YES release any of your albums, they dont say OK I RECORD THE GUITAR, NOW WE ADD THE NOISE AND POPS AND SCRATCHS... (you understand my point) that is not part of the music! so help! :) Now I just buy vinyls
There are still a lot of CD's that were mastered from tape copies intended to cut lacquers. These are usually pre-eq'd for RIAA, and have to be re-EQ'd to flatten them out. Also, the dynamic range is limited to 60db. This robs a lot of the original sonic character. Most DNR methods do not cut frequency or remove coloration, just hiss.
When a flat master is used, with minimal processing, DNR can be applied, and you'll still have the massive bottom end, with better clarity than an LP.
well the ear can only pick up 21.000hz most ears are screwed so could say 16.000hz mine is about 300hz :P vinyl is better cos not only are all the frequency's within range its played in a natural signwave thats real to the ear digital under the microscope looks like aload of toilets joined together i think the only way to get that boom you explained from cd is to play it in mono threw a decent valve amp, digital sounds wank with traditional transistor amps so should avoid
I AGREE !!!! I have heard good sounding cds but many more terrible sounding, yes, "remastered product". It's not the technology. Somehow, the powers that be have decided that more treble and louder and more compressed is better. I don't know why. I'm sure there's a debate in there somewhere. It very much reminds me of another similar cultural phenomenon: Tube television vs. flat screen. Give me a tube t.v. everytime !! With cds...it's the poor mastering job.
Vynil certainly does not sound better to me, what some might call warmer I would just call muddy or rolled-off highs. It's true, for a vynil you need a more cleaner uncompressed mix, yet for a CD you can compress it and process it a lot more, but there's far more detail and definition in a CD.
No you would rather not hear the noise, mate. If all of the frequencies of a recording were left in, those frequencies would waste alot of space on the soundstage, therefore reducing the volume of the song and muddying up alot of frequencies to due to cancelation.
I would prefer hearing the noise by far. If they can find a way to cut out the noise but leave the lower frequencies, that would be great, but they haven't found a way to do that yet.
Listen to my examples of the "yes boom" to know what I'm talking about. Do you actually think the CD version sounds better? Really?
The noise cancellation is a giant problem too. Even worse, a lot of masters have degraded over time so either you're mastering from damaged tape or worst case using second generation sources.
I completely agree with you. Cd's have more dynamic range and can produce higher frequencies during playback (vinyl can reproduce up to 100k but during actual playback, good luck with any frequencies over 17k) however in the 1980s DAC's were garbage and engineers didn't know how to master for cd and now it's the loudness wars squashing the dynamic range.
Absolutely. I gave away all my CDs to friends and decided to replace them with vinyls. Truth is, it has become somewhat a challenge because records today are very expensive if they´re new or in mint condish. I came to realize it would have been cheaper to just buy the records when they came out and preserve them in a vacum chamber and wait to this digital catastrophy of MP3s and musical ice age. A good old-new vinyl is on the $35s now. (sometimes more)
Sometimes you can find real gems at thrift stores. The covers aren't always good, but sometimes you find records themselves that are pristine quality.
i forgot to add that a good mastering engineer can make the CD sound BETTER than the vinyl. Too bad there's not too many examples of that. The Audio Fidelity remasters come to mind.
good post man. totally agree. you forgot to mention that not only do most CD remastering engineers hack up the EQ job, they also CLIP the sound files on the cd to make it "louder"! Absolute atrocity. I can't believe it's considered acceptable....and the Yes remasters are some of the worst sounding remasters from the 70s I've ever heard.
Good post. I'm not a music connoisseur, but even I have noticed the difference when certain classic are "re-mastered" to the point of nearly f-ing them up. When you KNOW a classic you look forward to those odd clicks / static that were earmarks of vinyl. and the music can actually sound off without them and now I know why.
it is sad, but man keep your head up, you look like youre going to cry!
we dont HAVE TO listen to cds:D
Snakbratsch 1 month ago
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100% agree!
MyHairIsAbnormal 2 months ago
100% agree!
MyHairIsAbnormal 2 months ago
Any chance of panning the camera down a bit;-)
peartfaldo 3 months ago
is it really necessary the sirthless look?
TRESVEINTE 3 months ago
@TRESVEINTE No. Out of the over 200 videos I have, there are only 4 that are shirtless. This just happened to be one of them.
kizzume 3 months ago
@TRESVEINTE haha i know man, just kidding, good video, found the information i was looking for. But still cant confirm it from an "official" source, if you know what i mean.
TRESVEINTE 3 months ago
i think you look like an idiot with that nose ring!
gordeee1 4 months ago
Hey guys I've a question, I just bought a cr7002a, which can play cds, vinyls and cassettes, but the problem is that whenever I play a vinyl on this devise the sound quality is not as crisp as cds or any other digital formats!!! I heard before that vinyls should have a better quality when it comes to sound,but the quality of my devise is not even as equal as mp3!Please someone tell me how i can fix this, if at all!!!!
TheLordOmen 6 months ago
@TheLordOmen Those 'nostalgia' type record players are not meant for high fidelity. They're meant for... nostalgia. From what I've heard, the needles on those things actually destroy records.
You'll have to get a decent stereo and hook a good turntable up to it.
FuckingStanz 4 months ago
Why does a video about vinyl records have to be done by an ugly dude with no shirt on? Btw, your nose ring makes you look gay.
westernNYnativ 6 months ago
Is this guy naked? We'll never know.
talesdian 7 months ago
Cd sucks, really sucks.
Yzmatheque 7 months ago
CD is Fail !!! end of !!
egggzz 7 months ago
I agree with you
martinarg101 10 months ago
True, true
wujekbeatz 10 months ago
I love the sound of vinyl, I like sliding them out of there covers, I like placing the needle on, and I like that my 70's vinyl Collection has NOT been touched up or mucked around with so it sounds just as it should sound as it did back then!
MintVinyl 10 months ago
i can't take lessons from anyone who can't even put a shirt on to film a video
phatmatt2000 10 months ago
The reason that will blow speakers from the LP is the compression on it. A lot of processing that is required for cutting a lacquer is unnecessary for CD. But , because of the broader dynamic that results, that 'Boom' you are talking about becomes a sigh. They don't cut frequencies, but they do cut the processing. 'Broader dynamics' was the cry from audiophiles for years. Now that they have it, they don't like it. Worse, there are still guys mastering like it's all for FM radio. Sad.
stratocat9999 1 year ago
@stratocat9999 I definitely agree with that.
kizzume 1 year ago
Nudism ftw
Nightmeare 1 year ago
I've got about 30,000 records and lately I've been playing Mastered .wav files on CD, and although I hate to say this, they sound better than Vinyl.
In the process of cutting the .wav file to Vinyl, it loses a generation in sound.
tinghaling 1 year ago
Hmmm... You Raise A Very Interesting Point About Cutting Out Frequencies And Re-Mastering, I Have Noticed That On Old Recordings That Have Been Released On CD, I Have Also Noticed On A Lot Of 60's Recordings That The CD's Have A Great Deal Of Hiss & Background Noise Where The Original Vinyl Is Crystal Clear, Another Interestinfg Thing I Noticed Once Is I Recorded A CD To High Quality Cassette And On Later Playback The Cassette Had Less Hiss And Was Clearer Than The CD I Took It From???
ninjabluewings 1 year ago
dude i agree with you
tdcollector 1 year ago
get a damned shirt man!!!
ojeteculaid 1 year ago 2
@TheBlood2pay Happiness.
kizzume 1 year ago
I think vinyl or analog in theory should sound better because theoretically its 'bitrate' if you can even call it that is infinite since its analogue. Problem with analogue is wear and tear, assorted noises - clicks, pops, hiss.etc. I personally prefer digital as long as its mastered well. I'd love to hear SA CD or something like that one day just to compare with a standard CD version.
svtcontour 1 year ago
Vinyl has a big impact in your ears and goes straight through your brain you can actually enjoy fell the whole experience unlike CD is loud and clear but it just doesn't registered when you hear it.
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Vinyl has an impact on your ears and goes directly through your brain when you hear a song, unlike a CD, you hear it but, it just doesn't registered then you say to your self...F*** what did i just hear? is there something missing?? hmmmm.
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Vinyl has an impact on your ears and goes directly through your brain when you hear a song, unlike a CD, you hear it but, it just doesn't registered then you say to your self...F*** what did i just hear? is there something missing?? hmmmm.
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Vinyl has an impact on your ears and goes directly through your brain when you hear a song, unlike a CD, you hear it but, it just doesn't registered then you say to your self...F*** what did i just hear? is there something missing?? hmmmm.
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djverdugo7 1 year ago
Totally agree with you man!
djverdugo7 1 year ago
I´ve made exactly the same observations when comparing CD to vinyl. I have many albums on both formats and can´t think of one instance when the CD sounds better.
I´m using a pretty expensive valve CD player as well, but the vinyl still has a relaxed magic that just makes it a less fatiguing listen. And you´re dead right about what they´ve done to music of the 70´s, but it goes back further than that. Recordings from the 50´s and 60´s have also been destroyed during their conversion to digital.
djbeatroot 1 year ago
Albums meant for cd sound best on cd. Albums meant for vinyl sound best on vinyl. It IS all about the mastering.
CD is not a horrible thing, contrary to what a lot of wannabe audiophiles say. The biggest problem today is the wall of sound mastering used on cd, rather than the cds themselves.
When Cd's first came out, before the loudness wars, people basically worshipped the things. They were clear, they were sharp, they had a better range than vinyl. Mastering screwed it all up from there.
JohntheChristian1 1 year ago
great, I think the same about vinyls, but!!! is possible when I hear a vinyl remove via software or hardware the little scraths? sometimes I even hear with a new vinyl or mint! why I want remove? BEACUSE that is not part of the recording of the band, that is not part of the music! I mean when YES release any of your albums, they dont say OK I RECORD THE GUITAR, NOW WE ADD THE NOISE AND POPS AND SCRATCHS... (you understand my point) that is not part of the music! so help! :) Now I just buy vinyls
anderzom 1 year ago
There are still a lot of CD's that were mastered from tape copies intended to cut lacquers. These are usually pre-eq'd for RIAA, and have to be re-EQ'd to flatten them out. Also, the dynamic range is limited to 60db. This robs a lot of the original sonic character. Most DNR methods do not cut frequency or remove coloration, just hiss.
When a flat master is used, with minimal processing, DNR can be applied, and you'll still have the massive bottom end, with better clarity than an LP.
stratocat9999 1 year ago
well the ear can only pick up 21.000hz most ears are screwed so could say 16.000hz mine is about 300hz :P vinyl is better cos not only are all the frequency's within range its played in a natural signwave thats real to the ear digital under the microscope looks like aload of toilets joined together i think the only way to get that boom you explained from cd is to play it in mono threw a decent valve amp, digital sounds wank with traditional transistor amps so should avoid
mucker3001 1 year ago
i think you should get that turd out of your nose
thornygravy 1 year ago
I AGREE !!!! I have heard good sounding cds but many more terrible sounding, yes, "remastered product". It's not the technology. Somehow, the powers that be have decided that more treble and louder and more compressed is better. I don't know why. I'm sure there's a debate in there somewhere. It very much reminds me of another similar cultural phenomenon: Tube television vs. flat screen. Give me a tube t.v. everytime !! With cds...it's the poor mastering job.
fabbola 1 year ago
Vynil certainly does not sound better to me, what some might call warmer I would just call muddy or rolled-off highs. It's true, for a vynil you need a more cleaner uncompressed mix, yet for a CD you can compress it and process it a lot more, but there's far more detail and definition in a CD.
primohomme 1 year ago
Right on the nose! Good call I love the speech.
coorskegstander 1 year ago
Fragile was recorded on studio analogue magnetic tape, so it was 'designed' to be heard 'perfectly' on analogue systems.
SlimeTron5000 1 year ago
No you would rather not hear the noise, mate. If all of the frequencies of a recording were left in, those frequencies would waste alot of space on the soundstage, therefore reducing the volume of the song and muddying up alot of frequencies to due to cancelation.
jazzyrocka12 1 year ago
I would prefer hearing the noise by far. If they can find a way to cut out the noise but leave the lower frequencies, that would be great, but they haven't found a way to do that yet.
Listen to my examples of the "yes boom" to know what I'm talking about. Do you actually think the CD version sounds better? Really?
kizzume 1 year ago
The noise cancellation is a giant problem too. Even worse, a lot of masters have degraded over time so either you're mastering from damaged tape or worst case using second generation sources.
Briansocialscene 2 years ago
I completely agree with you. Cd's have more dynamic range and can produce higher frequencies during playback (vinyl can reproduce up to 100k but during actual playback, good luck with any frequencies over 17k) however in the 1980s DAC's were garbage and engineers didn't know how to master for cd and now it's the loudness wars squashing the dynamic range.
Briansocialscene 2 years ago
fart
back2thefutre 2 years ago
Absolutely. I gave away all my CDs to friends and decided to replace them with vinyls. Truth is, it has become somewhat a challenge because records today are very expensive if they´re new or in mint condish. I came to realize it would have been cheaper to just buy the records when they came out and preserve them in a vacum chamber and wait to this digital catastrophy of MP3s and musical ice age. A good old-new vinyl is on the $35s now. (sometimes more)
JamaicaGold1 2 years ago
@JamaicaGold1
Sometimes you can find real gems at thrift stores. The covers aren't always good, but sometimes you find records themselves that are pristine quality.
kizzume 2 years ago
@kizzume Quiet! This is secret (LOL).
Threemicsrecords 1 year ago
i forgot to add that a good mastering engineer can make the CD sound BETTER than the vinyl. Too bad there's not too many examples of that. The Audio Fidelity remasters come to mind.
ACDC7369 2 years ago
good post man. totally agree. you forgot to mention that not only do most CD remastering engineers hack up the EQ job, they also CLIP the sound files on the cd to make it "louder"! Absolute atrocity. I can't believe it's considered acceptable....and the Yes remasters are some of the worst sounding remasters from the 70s I've ever heard.
ACDC7369 2 years ago
Good post. I'm not a music connoisseur, but even I have noticed the difference when certain classic are "re-mastered" to the point of nearly f-ing them up. When you KNOW a classic you look forward to those odd clicks / static that were earmarks of vinyl. and the music can actually sound off without them and now I know why.
MsRaivenne 2 years ago