Having a vote for Scottish independence? (27Nov09)

[LinnTractorNut]

Set your own tax policies, control the North Sea oil leases and revenues (unused leases cost jobs/rig building contracts), mine Scottish gold ore, refine and mint Scottish gold coins, there is a HUGE global demand for a solid gold currency. Cooperate, I mean voluntarily, with England on economy and military issues, but focus on defense, not stupid wars in the Middle East. Let BP hire it's own army to fight in Libya.

[ddddoooogggg22]

Dito.. just vote to get out of the UK and i'll be happy..

[ddddoooogggg22]

As an Englishman i am still waiting for this referendum (i want Scotland out of the Union BTW) i get the feeling the SNP have found out they can not go it alone and are trying to get as much done in Scotland while the English are paying for it !!.. their seems no limit to what the anti English bigot salmond will do.. Give your people the vote and sod off..

[strathpipe]

@ddddoooogggg22 It's  no wonder that there are anti english bigots a Plenty after reading your drivel also Scotland Wull and so will Mr Solmond ......you F'n GOON!

[ddddoooogggg22]

@strathpipe There is already anti English feeling in scotland because you hate anything that is better and stronger than you (its called jealousy and hate), as for Alex salmond i hope you get the referendum soon, but in the mean time, forgive me for laughing at you every day you don't get the vote, i think i'll be laughing for the next 10+ years, and even then i'll be laughing at the result.. who is the goon now. !!

[strathpipe]

@ddddoooogggg22 Of course there is Anti english feeling in Scotland and rightly so.As far as you bams being better and stronger your having a larf mite.Evern though Scotland has been only a fraction of your population They were forever kicking your skinny areses back over the border and will do so again nae bother laddie.Alb gu brath ya goon now go play in front of a bus.

[ddddoooogggg22]

@strathpipe dream on mate, just do the right thing and vote for independence. then sod off and hate someone else... simple..

[strathpipe]

@ddddoooogggg22 Yes you are Simple:-) and I aint your mate

[david21085]

Scottish Ignorance :'(

[We1nberg]

@david21085

British Nationalist ignorance

[MrScottishJamie]

vote snp

[HLecterPHD]

whos the news reader milf? shes so polite and lady-like, yet kinda hot, bet she's filthy in the sack.

she can speak on my mic.

[Alastairbell]

Westminster hasnt just changed for the worse for scotland with immagrants but england and the whole british isles and it will never recover or be the same because of there greed and ignorance and never changing politics! Thats a good enough reason if any why its finally time for scotland to go alone and independent no matter what the cost because westminster sold us all for a harder life over 20 years ago!

[jed371]

i want scotland to be independent, but only because devolution has made the current system unworkable. I dont want a seperate English parliament, but then why should scottish mps vote on English matters. This is the problem devolution created. Scotland will have to get independence or imo give up their devolved government because the current system cannot work.

[Truetomyself100]

Salmnd is a traitor really, if we go independent the Queen should not remain part of us, nor should we adopt the Euro. Ireland fought for independence yet they use the Euro and are a European state. Irish people odviously have no clue what independence means, if we have an independent Scotland i want it to be fully independent, no Euro, no uropean Union and no Pound Sterling. You want to break our union, have some nuts and make us different from other countries.

[seanathon2009]

Whatever. Alex salmond has no clue what independence can do. First of all Scotland has to get into bed with the EU. Secondly house prices, mortgages, petrol, and taxes would go through the roof. Lastly what is Scotland going to achieve on its own. Nothing much will change. Everything will be the same except our economy will be worse than it is now. So Alex I don't know why you bother

[oporim]

I hope you get it

[doctorbacon99]

FREEDOM FOR SCOTLAND

[joetavish]

why is nick robinson (i think that's his name) making light of independence with stupid symbols about the army in the castle and passports at the scottish borders?? why doesn't he take a walk through the east end of glasgow, or have a walk through the hell towns of lanarkshire? go talk to scottish kids or visit scottish hospitals, go to bridgeton or larkhall. maybe then he'll realise there's more to it than the symbols of the union flag.

[Femmenition]

I want a chance to vote for my country - for her independence from the UK!

[wmmvb]

People against nationalisms are often people that are nationalists themselves. In Catalonia, there are people looking forward a referendum of independence, but Spanish laws ban everything that goes against the unity of Spain. Spain even prevents Catalonia from having a sport national team, as Scotland does. Furthermore, Spain makes a fool of catalan independentists, in spite of having good reasons to be independent, as this video shows:

watch?v=GqD-D3ssHhk

[NationalistProd]

"we did it years ago, did we not do it years ago?!" .. oh lord 

[MrFarmer86]

I want the chance to vote , it is not anti english to say that we want are own oil ??! If oil rigs were offshore down in england it would english oil ! We dont want nuclear wepons we dont want to go to war all the time for nothing but oil !! we want are tax to be spent on roads and hospitals , not bombs that we will never use. Does the rest of the uk realy wonder why we want to go it alone ??

[BEATHROKZ]

I am Anti Nationalist so Mr Salmond does not get my vote

[callofdutymw21]

And the brittish army can eat a big bowl of shit and get out of scotland

[JamesPipper]

10,000s of people are employed in Scotland because of the British Defence industry. If the UK broke up all of the ship contracts would suddenly stop and put a lot of people out of work.

[thistlewarrior]

@JamesPipper The UK is the second highest spender on defense in the world. With a projected total for 2011 @ £36 billion. Scotlands share of that cost is around 8% or £2.3 billion of which £ 930 million is actually spent in Scotland. The defense contracts for shipbuilding could stop tomorrow as the UK, being part of the EU, MUST put all contracts to tender European-wide. Our shipbuilding industry is being fed scraps as it is but they have people like you believing it's all we can get. Crazy.

[thistlewarrior]

@thistlewarrior * defence

[callofdutymw21]

Scotland will be there own country the ditch will be there theye will have there own money you'll have to bring a pasport for Scotland to stamp no the stupid brittish so called uk British will bring passports to

[JamesPipper]

Scotland would join the euro if it left the United Kingdom. It would have even less influence over the euro than it currently has over the British sterling and it would do huge damage to Scotland. Scotland trades more with England than the rest of the world combined, if they ever did separate and have a different currency to England it would have a big impact on business .

[thistlewarrior]

@JamesPipper Finland has a population of around the same amount as Scotland and has 14 MEPs. Luxembourg has a population of 440,000 and has 6 MEPs exactly the same amount as Scotland has. Why? Because Scotland is a region not a nation in europe. Scotlands voice in Europe stronger with the UK? Don't make me laugh.

[zazairanic]

It would be an economic disaster if Scotland were to split from the Unted Kingdom.

[Alastairbell]

@zazairanic Economic scaremongering crap! AGAIN! Its a disaster for scotland being apart of a outdated union that doesnt benefit scotland anymore! Unempoyment has ALWAYS! been high in scotland way before the recession! And i suppose you will bring that up to throw at us scots independent! THE RECESSION!! We will servive after we seperate! But we will never see the benefits unless we take that leap of faith and stand as a stronger nation alone!!

[Alastairbell]

@Alastairbell Alexander Fleming-Penicillin/John Logie Baird-Television/Alexander Graham Bell-Telephone/Robert watson watt-Radar/James Watt-steam engine/John Lister-Antisepsis/James Harrison-Refridgirators/John Boyd Dunlop-tyres/Charles Macintosh-Waterproof Clothing..........Many many more!! Scots changed the world and there inventions! But most of the population dont know it was a SCOT that improved the world that we live in! Why?

[scottishrebal95]

FREE SCOTLAND

SAOR ALBA

[Z3ALOT08]

Don't know why he wants us to become independant, nothing much would change. I would rather we stay as Britain. This country has too great a history just to throw it away just becuase one man thinks we should.

[wattsite]

3:26 YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN

Alex salmond dream is a flicker away from becoming true.

[bigbadredsox]

The British will never allow a free Scotland. Think what that would do for nationalist movements in Northern Ireland and Wales?

[Pawnbroker00]

@bigbadredsox Lol.. true. The brits do love their empire building. There is just too much to exploit for the english/british in wales NI and scotland. If scotland gained independence it would bring a new flare to irish rebelliousness and also make the welsh question why they have to stay. On the other hand, if independence is denied scottish republicans might get more than a little angry and start bringing out the guns again for the first time in 250 years

[H4554nX0rZ]

this is a terrible idea. We are a great nation. We are GREAT BRITAIN! We are not known for independence but for colonialism. We are such a powerful fucking nation we cannot separate now, but on the contrary we need to move out and invade other nations. BRING BACK THE BRITISH EMPIRE!

[TheBongo87]

"just as the snp are loosing support"

well that's always the case according to the BBC........don't listen to a word they say

[avatarNbraveheart]

if scotland dont get indipendance ill be pissed and they should kill for it LOVE SCOTLAND HATE ENGLAND

[29Gixxer]

@avatarNbraveheart

lol are you aware of what happened last time Scotland invaded England?

Sotland was pushed all the way back, humiliated and then taught a lesson. Try it again and the same would happen...Scotland = over 5 million people...England = over 40 million :)

[29Gixxer]

@avatarNbraveheart

lol are you aware of what happened last time Scotland invaded England?

[29Gixxer]

@avatarNbraveheart

lol are you aware of what happened last time Scotland invaded England?

[29Gixxer]

@avatarNbraveheart

lol are you aware of what happened last time Scotland invaded England?

[cmcdonaldalba]

Typical inaccuracy from the EBC. The girl at 2:20 is completely correct. The Scottish people did vote for independence in 1979 with a 52% majority. Why the hell do we put up with this shite?

[juanOG213]

its funny all the english bastards keep sayin they buy the independence, yet they stop it from westminster, if yall guys were serious about givin scots independence then u would ask ur politicians at westminster to break the union, its all mere talk, just to backdown the scots, yet i see a clear support for independence, and alex salmond seems a intelligent leader to me, maybe not in 2010, but 2015 can be possible, BUT IF YALL BUSTERS STILL HAVENT GIVE IRELAND ITS INDEPENDENCE, SCOTLAND WONT

[ToulacAxeHand]

Jim Murphy knows jack-sht about Scottish interests.

MOST people want a referendum - not just independence!

[ALBIONTYKE]

The day the Scotts vote for independance, there will be more celebrating south of the border than in Scotland. For some reason they keep on voting Labour instead of SNP. Come on Scotland show some metal and stop just talking a good fight, on May 6th vote SNP

[alfreddunn03]

im english and i strongly believe that the scottish people deserve a referendum,then we can all move on either way...regards

[sLOVEnac2]

this is the second time i have seen that the corespondent made "recession" or "money" as and issue for independence.

how can u put value to your country? are you scotts? or are you british? ask yourself that and then you will know how to vote.

btw, no money ON EARTH would persuade me to unify my country to any artificial union. and there are plenty of small countries that are doing just fine (economically).

[Emergency739]

Alex Salmond is a good man

[TheSpiaire]

There are many legislations that pass through parliaments without a vote from the people but from elected members of parliament.

I'm not for NATO but I don't the EU as a threat, my only concern is that they are unwilling to kick certain fascist countries out of the EU like Italy.

[TheSpiaire]

Would you complain if Scotland was a member of the UN or NATO?

The EU is simply an economic and political partnership with Europe which stops member states breaching economic and human rights laws internationally.

Member states of the EU still have their independence (i.e. control of their revenue, army and civil and criminal laws).

[stina98489]

scotland will be a much better place if on its own

[NJRocks281]

If Scotland left what would stop Wales and Northern Ireland from doing likewise...?

[Rfc1Darryl]

a support independence, but a need to know a few things

does that mean we will have our own army ? not brittish .. but a scottish army !!?? cause ad prefer scotland to have its own army

n a would like a smashin new passport that doesnt say british, a want a scottish passport,

can anybody answer they questions ?

[TheSpiaire]

We would have our own Scottish defense force (S.D.F) if we became independent.

That's what the SNP plans anyway.

[craigyboi22]

Scotland for Scots!

England have ruined our nation, back to our roots!

[MsPinkWings]

And Alex Salmond isn't even living in Scotland. He has 2 homes, one's in Spain & the other in the Caribbean. Hypocrite.

[peacefrog1916]

i think you're thinking of Sean Connery. Alex Salmond lives in Bute House, Edinburgh.

[MsPinkWings]

I'm a Brit from Edinburgh (I refuse to call myself Scottish, I hate being so) and if Scotland become indepenant I will have the tantrum to end all tantrums and go live in England as protest.

[BillDFC]

Bye bye.

[Alastairbell]

@MsPinkWings Well brit! You best drag your stinking arse over that wall hadrian built and spit your dummy out there then! Independence or not your old mentality and that fucking union will not last long in scotland! Saor alba!!

[cloughers]

@Alastairbell your a Brit as well you twat. Scotland is on the island of Britain.

[Alastairbell]

@cloughers I never swore allegence to the english queen elizabeth! or even called myself british! Im scottish end off! so take your brittish and shove it up your rusty key hole where it belongs or smells as good as! Your numpty! SAOR ALBA!

[cloughers]

@Alastairbell anyone who is born on the island of britain is british. regardless of your alligences. just like if your born on the african continent, you are african. the idea of being british culturally was only invented at the acts of union, it was never forced upon you. Your nation backed the union then and it does so today. your probably a catholic and there the only group of people in scotland where the majority of them believe in independance. your just a pure anglophobic end of.

[Alastairbell]

@cloughers I am and will be what i want to be! And that is SCOTTISH! not british and not you! the british establishment and westminster and the queen herself will not change that! It has nothing to do with religion or ANGLOPHOBIC! I do not and will not recognise the union or calling myself british or part of a union that i dont feel represents me! Im a scot and want scots to understand that under that union we are not treated as equal and never will!

[cloughers]

@Alastairbell scotland has never been under represented in the union. the last two prime minister before Cameron were Scottish. yes Blair was born in scotland. but Gordon brown is a Scottish MP representing a Scottish constituency. there is no such thing as under representation. The Scottish have always been on par with the English in this union. there have been 8 Scottish prime ministers. Think of all the brave Scotsmen and Englishmen who died alongside each other in both world wars.

[Alastairbell]

@cloughers Blair and brown was both bad politicians both for the bad decissions they made and the other was for if they were proud scots then why didnt they coincide with the scottish parliment to push forward a referendum and let as well scots who live in england and wales which is part of the union that you say so called benefits scots let scots in england and wales vote on the scottish referendum! Because a present scots in england cannot vote on this! Why?

[Alastairbell]

@cloughers If scots are treated equal has you so highly say then let scots who live in the union countries i.e ENGLAND and WALES! let scots vote s.n.p and other scottish political parties! But a present scots living in england and wales cannot vote on scottish political issues of scottish political parties! Proud scots like balir and brown should know this as well but egnore this! Why? Scotland will be independent! Its only a matter of time when all scots see self govern the only way!

[cloughers]

@Alastairbell the fact is truthfully, a referendum would not be backed by the majority of Scots. only in truth would Catholics back it and they only make up 20% of the population. and the voting system you go on about is used by the Israeli's. a open list Proportional representation system. now if a scot was so for independence wouldn't he stay in scotland rather then living in "another country" as you would see it. the fact is, is that both nations have achieved more under the union.

[Alastairbell]

@cloughers There you go AGAIN with catholics! What is it with you and catholics? I think you have some sectarian issues there! I would be intrested where you get your percentages from? Thats israel! and if it is is down to a so called "Proportional representation system" which is not equally treating scots like i stated scots arent! Then thats why there is so much troubles in the west bank! Im on about the union and you have contradicted that people being treated equall

[cloughers]

@Alastairbell because usually these Catholics come from Irish catholic backgrounds and being Irish, they traditionally despise the British. that is not sectarian but a well known fact. they may favour Scottish independence because of this. But why should a Scotsman not living there vote on an issue that doesn't affect him if they don't live in the area in question. And why mention the Palestinians, I'm talking about a voting system, not a conflict.

[Alastairbell]

@cloughers Think you should read what you say about catholics and read again and tell me you dont have a stereotypicall view of catholics! So all muslims are suicide bombers? Because you say the union benefits scots!!! And i am telling you that alot of scots that live in scotland and wales would like to vote on a scottish political party or referendum and there not allowed! Let me say this alot slower so you undersrand TTTHHHATSS NOOTTT DEEMMMOCCRRAACCYY!!!!

[JamesPipper]

People in Scotland and Wales are free to vote for nationalist parties who want the break up of the United Kingdom.

In the general election the SNP got about 20% of the vote in Scotland, 75% of the vote went to the 3 unionist parties who strongly oppose the break up of the United Kingdom. That is democracy. When most vote for separatists of course there wll be a referendum. But that is not the case at the moment.

[Alastairbell]

@JamesPipper Well if you going to add your opinion at least know what your talking about because from your comment you dont! Scots living in england and wales cannot vote on the scottish referendum or for a scottish political party! Its not allowed!! If this union benefits scots! Then why cant a scot thats living in a union part of the country vote for a scottish political party thats still at present part of the united kingdom! No matter what the excuse! Scots should be allowed!!

[Alastairbell]

@JamesPipper If people are stating that scots who are part of a fair union should be happy because we have a full democratical voice within that union then why are we restricted to vote in that union when we cannot from england and wales! As there are as much scots in england and wales that are in scotland that would like to have that choice and i think under a fair union they should have it!

[thistlewarrior]

@JamesPipper All opinion polls (you know the ones the unionists are always so fond of) suggest around 80% of Scots want a referendum. If the unionists have nothing to fear from the result then lets go for it. Have it all out once and for all. Or could it be that they suspect their ivory towers will come crashing down?

[Alastairbell]

@cloughers Scotland at present is part of the union and if we are all equall in that union which is scotland! England! and wales then in them nations you should have a democratic freedom! YES? but its not there are restriction! Why when scotland is apart ot a union you say benefits scotland? I have told you a democratic issue that is not allowed? Union does not benefit scotland and the sooner scotland has its independence the better! Saor alba

[Alastairbell]

@cloughers And your assumptions are your opinion and your allowed your opinion!BUT! thats all they are ASSUMPTIONS! Scots still should in ENGLAND! WALES! and everywhere that this so called fair british union represents Have a RIGHT to vote weather small percentage or not!! Or you think most scots would or wouldnt! Democracy! You should learn the meaning of this word because SCOTS Minority or not have had enough of a union thats failing them!

[BigAlzo]

what is with this hating each other, i don't think the main focus of Independence is having a fight with the english

hating a person because he is english or scottish make about the same sense as hating a person because he is black (no offense)

[bumtrasbum]

If kosovo can get independence whay not Scotland?

1 wote from Serbia

[jaysOPINIONS]

looks unlikey scotland will go independent! i mean alec said 2day the refernedum is off the table to atleast 2011, and with the bad result in the byelection for snp, and by what a lot of scots say , i feel indepndence is pointless and a pipe dream a few.

[dstuart82]

it's nothing to do with hating england or being anti-english! it's about being pro-scottish. scotland is a nation and it's about time we took care of our own affairs!

i heard the other 3 leaders of the main political parties voicing their concerns that this whole campaign is a complete waste of the tax payers money!!.......oh, so the millions upon millions of pounds wasted in iraq and afghanistan is money well spent!!?? not to mention the fact that both wars are potentially illegal!!

[kaosobsidian]

Perhaps when the world is in a more stable state... Not now in the aftermath of one of the worst recessions since records began. Scotland wouldn't do so badly alone, the Tourist culture makes England look like North Korea in comparison, and, the oil still left in the North Sea is in Scottish territory..If we were to go independant, it would be ours. It would be England that takes the worst hit.

[davidbcfc1]

i think you find it is in british territory so it belongs to the english because we own scotland

[ScottishMTBRider]

England owns nothing. English are the lowest of the low and the world know's that.

[kaosobsidian]

God your a fool, It is in British waters now..but it is still Scottish water, if we were to go Independant it would be ours, as it would no longer be British water would it smart arse!?!

Just like Scotland and England are seperate countries combines by the Union, if the Union was disbanded, both countries would remain the same, just as if Scotland went independant, Scottish water would stay Scottish water, Scotland would do much better than England alone because we have the natural resources.

[Gothichell]

watch?v=WLrrBs8JBQo

[blobby1972]

I say give them indipendence they have leached of the motherland long enough

[ScottishMTBRider]

you wish. England won't survive without Scotland. You have leached off our oil for years now it's our time.

[blobby1972]

hopefully .

[davidbcfc1]

ha your having a laugh, scotland would'nt survive without enland. we pay you benefits pay for your healthcare & prescriptions and its not you fucking oil it englands oil you scotish cunt

[ScottishMTBRider]

It's Scottish sea's. It's ours. Face it. Go away and play for immature computer games. You silly little girl.

[MsPinkWings]

While there's no need for racist language, you're actually right. We were one of the poorest countries in Europe before joining with England, and if people think we're going to survive on our own they're deluding themselves!

[METALLICAM4N]

Free Scotland!

[stoogle01]

everyone seems to be debating about if they like scotland/england and defending the fact they said they hate each other. i'll let u know where i stand, i hate england :L... and i couldnt care less if i get harsh comments back tbh, coz every other country on the face of the earth will agree

[davidbcfc1]

nah you dickhead, your a smelly scot who wouldnt survive 5 minutes without england

[ScottishMTBRider]

Go away and play your stupid computer games.

[worcesteradam83]

what we need is English independence.

especially from that Scottish loon in downing street

[Alba12349]

what!?

the english queen can stay on the throne?

fuck that

[Alba12349]

"Alex Salmond knows most scots never shared his dreams of independence"

what a load of shite. thats the fuckin british brainwashing media at work!

[TheLordRose]

What is your problem! Hardly any English have a problem with the Scots, so why do you hate us. You seem to have been watching too much bloody braveheart. Scotland never achieved anything without the English, and England got much better with the help of the Scots. We're better off together - and whats the point of a independant Scotland anyway, within a few years we'll just be a part of a European super-state anyway. This division has to stop. The EU is the problem.

[Alba12349]

Did I say I hated all english people. no I didnt so dont put words in my mouth.

You just showed another example of why many scots dont like england. Youve got a arrogant attitude. what the hell do u know what why accomplished before the union.

[Alba12349]

*we

[TheLordRose]

Well the general gist sounded like you hated England for the sake of it - and that I would assume is because of a hate of the English.

Fine, have your own country, and heres me trying to point out that we're stronger together. We'll take our Queen so long as you take your fucking useless politicians (who even in Scotland can't manage a simple terrorist you've already caught and have in prison!)

[Alba12349]

hahaha ok

[wrathofgod86668]

Good, give them a referendum and Wales and England.But of course discussion of English independence would be considered racist by the political elite in this Orwellian country.

[roflcopter2006]

I'm all for Scottish Independence. Let them pay for their own 'free' higher education.

[Mackingster]

Sounds like its independents in name only.

[mad8london247]

Still wondering the point of it all?

[johneunson]

it is strange living in scottland at the moment. we are not sure what all this means.(i am not sure if anyone knows what it means)....but it feels good!! it has a whiff of what happened in eastern europe. of course it's nothing of the kind, but does eveyone understand that?