Agbetu interupted ceremony to defend memory of ancestors

[starksenterprises]

Much respect to Toyin. How any African can say what he did was a disgrace, beggars belief.

Why should he kneel to pay atonement when it was HIS people who where rapped, beaten, murdered and generally dehumanised for 400 years? Its tantamount to asking a Jewish person to ask god for forgiveness that his people were gassed in a chamber!

A ridiculous notion

[rudeydudey05]

Not that i approve off what this guy did, as he has never lived slavery like his ancestors did, in the same way that i have not lived through what my ancestors lived, like being pressed ganged into the navy or having to work in a dirty cold factory all day and still just about afford a loaf of bread.

But it would be a start, a gesture of good will, a simple sorry from David Cameron just to acknowledge that Slavery was wrong.

[neathan009]

fucking black cunt

[sinistavoicez]

@neathan009 coward. Sheets or the internet one way or the other yall always hiding behind something.

[PetalBlueLite]

The great and wonderful walk amongst us, not in white houses and palaces. Well done Toyin.

[juju19751]

@PetalBlueLite toyin agbetu looks like a gorrilla

[EsklayWilson]

@juju19751 Stop denigrating gorillas.

[EsklayWilson]

@PetalBlueLite He seems to forget it was the UK & the US who ended the slave trade, something Africans had been doing a long time before whitey came.

[1lovealways2]

I believe Reparations should include FREE DNA TESTING of Afrikan and Native American Peoples to reunite people of color to their roots and to pay for any legal fees to change their names for starters!

This is cause and effect!

[etanielyehuda]

@1lovealways2 I agree!

[EsklayWilson]

@1lovealways2 I believe not only in no reparations, but I will provide free mental health for you.

[BrotherChimaobi]

This Brother is STRONG. Imagine, standing up there in the middle of that debacle... brother is walking with the spirits, he is not one man - but one movement.

Our name is legion, for we are many!

One,

- Brother Chimaobi

[supervirtuouswoman]

White people, especially the british are cursed and doomed to die. I want all my black people to put on their seat belts for this ride.

[EsklayWilson]

@supervirtuouswoman You animals created nothing on your own, You are dying of AIDS since you have no sexual morals. It is whitey who is stupidly keeping Apefreakens alive with anti-AIDS medicine

[mykinfok]

I cant believe this punk lastminuteregret is still debating on this subject.

I already finished him in a debate before and now hes on someone elses jock.

Do sum growin up and get educated son, you know not much.

[lastminuteregret]

You have failed to answer my inquiries, therefore you forfeit any claims to being right in this debate. Now run along and play with yourself, because with your self-centered attitude I doubt you'd attract many friends.

[lastminuteregret]

Grow up, kid.

[lastminuteregret]

The fact that you went so far to look at my myspace is a bit disturbing. But listen, you're trying to prove to me why reparations are good. So far you've only listed things that happened over 100 years go, which no one alive witnessed. I again ask you, as I have been asking you, what relevance does this have to the modern world. The question is: Why should people who never suffered the institution of slavery be paid reparations? You have provided no evidence relative to that question. Thanks.

[Shemra]

When you debate you not only make your point, but you should also state your philosophical position. Congressman Conyers' bill is quite comprehensive and clearly explains the position of those who think reparations is a worthy cause. It is easily accesible, especially for someone in college. If your point is to debate what is a "civilization" then offer a description. I would simply state that the disenfranchisement suffered by the descendents of slaves has inhibited their pursuit of happiness.

[1lovealways2]

I believe Reparations should include FREE DNA TESTING of Afrikan and Native American Peoples to reunite people of color to their roots and to pay for any legal fees to change their names for starters!

You do not understand Cause and Effect!

[1lovealways2]

I believe Reparations should include FREE DNA TESTING of Afrikan and Native American Peoples to reunite people of color to their roots and to pay for any legal fees to change their names for starters!

This is cause and effect!

[lastminuteregret]

You haven't said one God damn thing about modern day, and you sit there and pretend you justified your argument. You're just an ignorant racist little shit who believes hes owed something for being black. Guess what, you aren't. No western nation will ever pay people money for something not committed by them. I'm sorry, but you're little historical points have no relevance to reparations in the modern world. You fail to see this, probably because you're about 10 years old.

Good day, sir.

[lastminuteregret]

TheRabitPoo. You have listed things that happened over a hundred years ago. It's nice to get a history lesson, but it has no relevance on today. Slavery is long gone, and no one left alive has ever suffered under it. You have listed no justification for why people who never suffered the institution should be paid. You're comments are very repetitive, yet they lack any content linking your belief in reparations to actual reasons they should be put into place in modern day society. (2009).

Thanks

[lastminuteregret]

Haha, you jump to the most hilarious conclusions that it literally makes me laugh out loud. I never said it's ok if it's legal, you're putting words down for me. I said the action took place in 1830, which was before the Emancipation Proclamation within the United States (my nation, not Germany). So it having been even before we made slavery illegal, how would it have any relevance to modern day reparations? How can you compare the world in 1830 to the world today? You cannot.

[lastminuteregret]

Alright. So I'll give that one to you, for the sake of argument. I still ask, why should modern day descendents be paid for something they did not suffer under? You listed an action committed by a government in 1830, far before slavery was illegal in my nation. The question still stands. Why should the money of people who never condoned the institution of slavery pay reparations through their taxes to people who never suffered under the institution. You have listed no viable reason.

Checkmate?

[lastminuteregret]

Nothing in what you sent me lists 'reparations' for slave owners. You pick and choose what you want to see, and then discard the rest because you're ignorant. I'm still asking you, because you're trying to prove it, why citizens of today's society should be paid for an extinct institution? My friend, I'm ASKING you to prove why reparations are good. I'm not saying they are wrong, I'm saying I don't understand the legitimacy of people's claims on the issue. So stop being such a dick, seriously.

[lastminuteregret]

Listen, I can see you don't take this debate seriously. When you start grading people you're debating on youtube, it's a sign you have some mental issues you're going to need to deal with. You're the one trying to prove that reparations should happen, and so far you have provided no reason why people who have never suffered under the institution should be paid for the existence of that institution over a hundred years ago.

[lastminuteregret]

Your statement about white people being apathetic about the plight of other races was what I was calling ignorant, because it is exactly that. You have not met every white person, not even a majority of them, so to assume something like that shows your narrow mindedness. You're supposed to be proving to me why reparations are good, but you haven't said one logical thing pointing to why they should be paid out. Why should -Modern Day- citizens be paid?

[lastminuteregret]

I still ask you, why should people who never suffered under slavery be paid reparations? I'd understand paying reparations to survivors of the horrible institution itself, which should have been done, but to pay people who never even witnessed slavery just makes no sense. And, to use the money of people who never condoned the institution itself would also make no sense. Please list the exact date that a national government paid reparations to slave owners. You cannot, because it's false.

[lastminuteregret]

And, you're categorizing white people as 'wanting to ignore the plight of other races". That in itself is itself is prejudicial, for I do care about the plight of other races. My nation, and Britain, send millions of dollars of aid - moreso by private citizens donating than by the governments. To say white people don't care voids you of all credibility in any debate, because it makes you a racist asshole who obviously has a grudge against people he hasn't met.

[lastminuteregret]

"Check Mate". A good sign of mental immaturity.

The bailout is nothing even related to reparations, as the bailout was done to prevent an economic collapse. I see no reason my nation, already 11 trillion dollars in debt, should pay people who have not been wronged by slavery. You provided no reason for paying them, just other examples of what you believe to be wasteful spending. You're obviously ignorant of how things work in this world.

[lastminuteregret]

You're deviating away from our topic again, which shows you obviously have nothing further to add on the topic. Until you can come to a legitimate reason why taxpayer money should be paid out to people who never suffered the institution of slavery, this debate is over. And if you knew anything about economics, you'd know any move to change an economic downturn takes time - and a good amount.

Good day.

[lastminuteregret]

I could care less what companies that are extinct did, and what money governments got that is long gone came from. I'm interested in today, and where modern day money comes from. Europe was already advanced before slavery, it's not like it owes it's entire growth to the institution. So any base for an argument on that front is void. Who gets paid reparations? How do we determine this? Why do they get paid? How much do they get paid? Reparations are unrealistic because it's a stupid idea.

[lastminuteregret]

By your statement, I see you fail to understand the reasoning for the bailouts in both nations. The failure of large banks, specifically the ones targeted with bailout money, would have resulted in a much larger economic crash similar to that of the Great Depression. This has been confirmed by economists across the globe. The money was to prevent taxpayer investments from dissolving into nothing, which is what an AIG failure would have resulted in. Keep on topic, why reparations?

[lastminuteregret]

I fail to understand why the current African-American/European population deserves reparations for something that did not happen to them. Slavery was a terrible thing, but there is no one alive today who suffered through it. Why would taxpayer money go to people who have never suffered through the very thing they're getting paid for? Please explain.

[lastminuteregret]

TheRabitPoo. Who do you think national governments get their money from? The people of that nation, through taxation. So yes, I would be paying for the reparations, as would all Americans or all British if it were to happen there. No one alive today witnessed slavery, so it is unfair to make them pay for what their ancestors did. The U.S. Congress officially passed an apology to the African-American race for slavery and the following injustice, what more need be done?

[ambelle]

crazy as hell... Afrikans pray for forgiveness?? For the Afrikan holocaust?!?! crazy as hell...

hotep brother.

[chillipeanuts]

law enforcement officers should have shot this trouble maker.

[PositiveNature]

Not trying to make it seem like the deaths of those Victorian children were insignificant....But the black people taken from Afrika to the Americas and Caribbean had a life much worse than them. Dying from soot inhalation doesnt compare to being reduced to a bloody pulp as youre being whipped to death - probably for something so insignificant as just looking at a white woman.

[VoluptiousVibration]

Respect to Toyin, we need more people like him.

Peace.

[hagnuj]

All of Europe and their descendants benefitted from the fucking rape of Africa. I wish Africans and Blacks in America would unite. The unrepentant bigot will not change. We must unite.

[lastminuteregret]

Unite and do what? What power would you have? Do you plan on violence or peaceful movements to achieve your means? Europe and the United States will never pay reparations or give anything out for what happened, we should not have to apologize for what our ancestors did - we are not them.

So instead of holding on to your bigotry against the western powers, move on with your life - it will benefit you.

[hagnuj]

bogard

[mykinfok]

First of all, no we don't plan war because we as black people are not evil minded towards others the the white race. No we need to unite as blacks to form alliances that rebuild our communities from the destruction of drugs and guns and a false culture that has deprived our communities in this Western world and in the Motherland, forced by the white man.

You know nutn and your ignorance is th reason y hagnuj said dat.

Dats why Farrakhan calls y'all devils. Unrepentant scum.

[lastminuteregret]

I have done nothing wrong to the black ethnicity, why should I have to pay for what happened to you all in the past?

[mykinfok]

The simple fact that you tell us to move on means you have everything wrong towards the black community.

You aint paying for the past, were paying for the past dont you get that?

The majority of our communities being the way they are is because were still paying for the past your forefathers and people in financial&political power today have imprisoned us in.

and in our own strength and the grace of God we came this without your help.

We will never beg reparations. We demand it.

[lastminuteregret]

You can demand all you want, you will never get anything. I don't owe you or any other black person anything at all.

I see you live in the United Kingdom and you demand to get paid reparations? That is the biggest joke I have ever heard.

My forefathers are from Germany, don't you ever try to say they did anything against your people.

So in the nicest way possible I'd like to say, fuck off.

[mykinfok]

Dats da thing about emails. You can say things to people you know full well you wudnt say 2their face. Dats cool, you're an ass so I wnt waste my time wiv u.

If u think Germany had no part in the rape of Africa, read a book.

Yes i'm frm the UK, bloodline of Jamaican heritage, if you don't get that, read a book.

To be honest dis convo is over bcos you actually have no relevance. You're actually a waste of space and you have nothin to offer the world.

[lastminuteregret]

I would tell you to your face that I will never pay reparations for things I did not commit.

The Kingdom of Baveria had nothing to do with Africa, which is where my family is from. It was a sovereign kingdom within the German Empire.

Learn English you ignorant fuck, lord knows why Britain allowed your family in.

[mykinfok]

Piss off and read a book you ignorant prick.

Talk like that to a black man watch him buss ya ass.

Your comment makes no argument against my point in the last comment.

Obviously you need to learn to read.

I dnt know why these white people still think they're more intelligent than us great people.

Don't comment back as I told you this concersation is over as you have no relevance.

Get it in your brain YOU can't pay reparations. YOU can't afford it.

Jackass

[lastminuteregret]

Books have nothing to do with this. No western nation will pay reparations, ever. I can afford far more than your black ass most likely. We don't think we're more intelligent, we know all races have high levels of intelligence. We just happen to have the means to further the intelligence we possess where as Africans still kill each other over petty differences.

[mykinfok]

Little white boy sit ya ass down. U still live wiv ya mother shut up bout u can afford more than me please!!

And the reason this convo must stop here is bcos books to you are irrelevant.

All the origins of education stemmed from Africa, the clothes on your back stems from Africa, the insttitution of study and libraries stemmed from Africa. need I carry on??

Go read a book and play with ya boyfriend fassy. Diss me, I dnt really care. I'll never meet you to break ya friggin neck anyway.

[lastminuteregret]

My lord, do you even know correct English? Ebonics is not a recognized language. Also, civilization did not 'stem' from Africa. Most of what we know of civilization today evolved in Asia and Ancient Mesopotamia. The only real African civilization, though it really isn't considered African, to contribute much to modern society is the Egyptian Empire. Now run along and pretend you're thug. I don't live with my mother, read a book. University usually denotes self-reliance. Thanks.

[mykinfok]

Yeah well your "self reliance" and I'll stick to fact. EEEdiot.

Ebonics is usually used to shorten sentences. And u get my ebonics so shut ya mout.

I'm an Osteopath, studied 5 years and goin for my Masters. You're not talking to a fool.

You really need to understand how pointless your comments are, to the point where I'm commentin on how I talk.

Check ya boyfriend, read a book.

[lastminuteregret]

You're just making yourself look like a complete jackass. None of what you have said can be supported by any facts. Ask any professor or intellectual about any of your accusations and they'll laugh in your face. Now run along and listen to your rap and refrain from calling a grown man 'boyfriend'. Thanks.

[EsklayWilson]

@hagnuj All your types are capable of is destruction and reduction. Everything would look like Somalia or Haiti if your ilk was running things. It was your so called brothers who sold those retarded beasts to the white slavers cause the whites had more money and better stuff to trade.

[hagnuj]

@EsklayWilson Do you know the history of Somalia or Haiti? No and don't give a shit. The wealth of Haiti was pillaged. You enjoy your scum bag existance under the rock you live. We should have left you all in the caves.

[EsklayWilson]

@hagnuj Haiti, 2nd oldest country in the western hemisphere but it sucks the worst cause it is run by AIDS infested blacks. Somalia was livable when it was a colony, but since independence Black Muslims completely ruined that country. Both are perfect examples of what you get when blacks run things. But I am sure you have a whole laundry list of excuses that make it all whitey's fault. I can't think of one white or Asian country that even comes close to the horror that is in those 2 countries

[sinistavoicez]

@EsklayWilson how about colonization ruined Africa. Funny how yall never see your own putrid acts.

[veteran173]

@EsklayWilson You are quit right Billions of dollars has been poured into Africa. Blacks are incapable of forming a society of law. They are too stupid, violent and unproductive for a country that is run by them to be successful.

[veteran173]

@hagnuj The wealth of Haiti is still there (oil and gold to name a few) but it takes effort and organization to make use of these resources. . The blacks are too, lazy, stupid and violent to do anything but sit around in their own filth and ask for world aid. Please help us again we cannot help ourselves is the Black cry around the world from south central LA to Africa it is the non-blacks (mostly whites and Asians) who have to do all the thinking and most of the work

[hagnuj]

@veteran173 The white man is the skunk of the earth. An experiment gone wrong.

[FunBoy15]

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel

- Samuel Johnson

[FunBoy15]

I know the treatment of mill workers in the north and those forced into workhouses was terrible - some of my ancestors were in those conditions, but I believe if you research the slave trade, the colonisation of africa/austrailia/new world, the highland clearences, english persecution of celts - it is on another level, it is cultural and cross generational persecution and the british elite instead of apologising give themselves a self righteous pat on the back for how 'humanitarian' they were.

[FunBoy15]

no better? please mate. I know that the situation in britain would of been pretty horrible for some the peasentry but it doesn't compare to the cattle of slavery. not on the large scale anyway.

[ShutTheFukkUp2]

Your HA HA HA, seems like shame. I've seen your comments, You seem like your in denial from truth. Your basically telling someone of hue, to forgive,forget, move on, and stay a SLAVE/SHEEP and be happy about it and shut-up. How can one tell someone to get educated by a system that keeps you asleep? Especially black people. Yea it does seem ridiculous if someone defends their race, from witches and WARlocks. But for you to comment negatively to a person angered by the these monsters is small of U

[DontFlatterUrselfSon]

Im well educated and enlightened, to what going on today, Ur a waste to even respond too

[tshalik]

please research colonialism and the slave trade. while your at it look out diamond mines in Africa. all of these topics are tied together. the queen and all of her ancestors played a huge part in slavery...england profited greatly from it.

[chanakya5514]

Why did they allow scum like him in Britain anyays? Britain stopped the slave trade, Africans must fall on our legs and thank us for that.

[Kemetmaan]

Toyin is a warrior

HOTEP

[rss22]

Wow, I'm sure the queen felt really crunched after Toyin said what he said to her. Anyhow, I don't understand why they would want the "Africans" to bow and pray for forgiveness regarding slavery, like it was our fault. Okay, warriors were taken held as prisoners in Africa and traded or sold back to their tribe, but the treatment they experienced as slaves in colonial America and abroad is totally different. But still, I glad to know that people like Mr. Toyin still exist.

[tssexychanel]

awesome vid and its full of truth

[TheMORALE]

I'd have told the Queen to kiss my ass on behalf of the Ancestors.

[tshalik]

i find it funny that the queen would turn away when she is wearing blood diamonds all day everyday. don't be a coward, i mean if her family profited from the slave trade, which they did so she was obviously raised to believe there was nothing wrong in how her family and country acquired their wealth. she shouldn't look away or feel the least bit uncomfortable. but when you know you've participated in something inhumane/heartless you can't look people in their eyes when confronted with your past.

[forwardunity]

I noticed that this was not reported on bbc

[goldengoodas]

This was not just an act of pride, this was an act of justice. I for one am proud that there are brothers like Toyin who recognize the blatant disrespect for our ancestors and the complete removal of them from history. No one wants to admit that several minorities have been victims because it still goes on today and they will continue unless we wake up and take back our rights they will never hand them to us. all in all this brother did the right thing. hotep

[forwardunity]

of course Golden. this didnt make the british" news...

[lilmissnaughtyjay]

that's true this is the first time i'm even hearing of this, but i have to say i give this man sooooo much respect because he did something that ALOT of other people would have never dared to do in standing up for his ancestry.

[forwardunity]

yo i didnt know u was from uk... this never got shown on tv or was in any newspapers

[lilmissnaughtyjay]

yeh i live in london

[BusTraveller]

i c

[goldengoodas]

I am not surprised. they want to sweep it right under the rug. Cowards!

[nubianIam]

They cannot apologize because the atrocities continue. Toyin is to be honored and immulated by other Africans.

[peasah2005]

To those stooges who say Brotha Toyin shouldn't have done what he did, should shut-up.

Brotha Toyin was right to expose the evil lies that these bulles come out so-called doing the Wilberfest Abolishment of slavery.

Brotha Toyin, you were bang on target and these ignorant fools have a problem, then so be it.

[TheMORALE]

Their is gonna be a war in our Community. It's coming sooner than we think. This is a War that these White Supremacist have wanted for years because they know that they win regardless because it makes our numbers deplete.

[DontFlatterUrselfSon]

Thanx brotha Toyin for your actions. Somebody is not afraid of these white fukks. May the soul of the ancestors continue to guide you until the END of these animals reign; that are currently in power; all over the world. Their time is almost up anyway.

[DontFlatterUrselfSon]

Everything that happens on this planet came from people of color. You white caucazoid, cave, reptilian, ashkeNAZI fukks, need to be blown off the face of the earth for GOOD.

[Kohl93]

i'm white and i must i agree with Mr. Agbetu. as a white with heavy european descent i would personally have no problem kneeling before god and asking forgiveness for anything my own ancestors may have done. i'm curious though...would Mr. Agbetu be willing to go on his knees to ask for help to personally forgive as a descendant of the slaves that were wronged? perhaps he would. so...IF any of my own ancestors are guilty...i ask forgiveness from those whose ancestors were victimized. peace.

[ngonea]

The British are in no position to ask anyone to kneel before their God, "Guns Oil & Drugs", for anything until they stop the carnage in this world that they are responsible for. Do not twist the issue here. please listen to one of your own who is integral about your history.."John Pilger", and "Tim Wise.".just search google video or watch

"ESOTERIC AGENDA", or "CODEX ALIMENTARIUS" then you will understand, We have all been brain washed all our lives..IT'S TIME WE ALL WAKE UP...

[Kohl93]

tried to google the names you mentioned. apparently Pilger's "War on Democracy" film is unavailable in canada. (can't even watch the trailer here) my willingness to "kneel before the christian god" was out of respect for Mr. Agbetu, not christians. i'm a pagan. as for the "esoteric agenda" (i'm not really big on conspiracy theorys) or "codex alimentaruis": i don't much care what this document says i'll go ahead and use vitamins if i want.

[DoctorDonutHoles]

Black people are Demons. They came from hell and were made by the Devil.

[armunaekti1]

white people are from hell they came from demons your mom's pussy hole

[rejjie3]

Well done, Brotha Toyin.

K.P.

[23skullhead]

Blessings to this man for speaking when others kneeled to pray forgiveness for the atrocity of forced enslavement. Elizabeth Sax-Coburg and her cosa nostra is directly associated with and benefits from the systematic torture, enslavement and holocaust of African, Irish, South Asian and working class British people. The respondent who uses shameful language on here is a shame to your 'race': the human 'race'.

[spursloyal71]

horrable cunt ! if he doesnt like our country why doesnt fuck off to Africa ! his comments insult me !i dont give 2 fucks about slavery ! dont fuckin say sorry in my name cos i dont give a SHIT!

[Kalydosos]

Why don't your lot fuck off out of SA,Kenya,Gambia and Tanzania.

[hihosh1]

Why must we? If we did leave there would be problems, look at Mozambique where "our lot left" You should do yourself a favour and notice how after the Portugese left everything just went backward. I would apologise for what my ancestors did, but you will never accept it, that is the problem.

[MaxWatt1]

Spursloyal your are bang out of order. These people´s people were seriously abused years back and they have not forgetten. Ever had a fight that you did´nt win and wanted some closure either way on it? like a payback? then it´s the same for these people. The reason they are here in the u.k is cos the gov wants to earn more money taxing them. just like me and you. Wake up. Spurs in spain phil aka max_watt.

[spursloyal71]

they should have shot the cunt !

right weres me bull wip!

[MaxWatt1]

now i know you´re joking. thank god for that.

take it easy spurs loyal.

[artikalflex]

the most respect goes out to toyin

[seanhunter1984]

This nutter is lucky the security services didn't shoot him. He made a complete fool of himself and embarrassed himself and his race in front of the Queen.

[toyin15]

Yeah, he's free to make those comments. Glad someone finally grew the balls to say such a thing. It's the queen not god! oh HAIL THE QUEEN. FUCK THAT, She's a human being like the rest of us.High in terms of power, we all know that.

[JahRidlz]

you wanker! we've been subject to embarrasment ever since europeans visited africa! the problem is most africans love too much... even when that love isn't reciprocated. it's about time we start telling queen elizabitch the truth!

[JahRidlz]

spursloyal??? don't disrespect us yidos you dumb fuck. if africans all fucked off, the premiership would be a pile of crap you silly cunt! your sister is probably getting impregnated by some african as we speak.. what you gonna do? send the black half back?

[mbproject21]

Uhuru!!

[31512299]

Keep up the Fight!