and by the way the bible is the ONLY book written of its kind which has accurately predicted the rise and fall of empire after empire. the worlds scientific views have just reinforced what the bible has been teaching for years and years. you really need to watch a film by Ben Stein " Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" these debates will be more to your liking. Keep learning and I really do pray for you to realise GOD is there and HE does love you, you just have to introduce yourself to Him.
@memyselfandidontknow No it hasn't, prove otherwise, name an empire that fell after the bible was written that it explicitly predicted... just one please it'll be amusing to see you bullshit your way out of this one.
The worlds scientific views have clashed constantly with the bible, why the hell do you think the Catholics threatened scienctists long ago as they discovered new truths we know now? It's because the clashed with that stupid book. The earth is not flat, easiest one to point out.
@memyselfandidontknow (cont) God loves me? Bullshit. If he was real and loved anyone there wouldn't be a hell to go to. Don't feed me this line about it being "made for demons" because he's claimed to be all knowing meaning he knew he what he created would be good or bad when he made it and still made it. This makes him responsible for everything that happens if he did exist in the first place (something yo have yet to do anything other than state instead of attempting to prove).
the really sad part is that you have already subjected people in your own life to this "rant" or tantrum to put it in correct terms. You are pissed off at a GOD who doesnt answer you, I am 100% certain you have prayed for someone to not die or thru otherwise miraculous means will get what is needed in your life or the life of someone you love. And GOD didnt answer it right? The bible clearly states that GOD is deaf to the prayers of the unsaved, HE hears the prayer of those HE knows as His own
@memyselfandidontknow No I'm not any more pissed of at God than you are at Odin. I'm pissed off at people like YOU sir who continually state that perfectly good people DESERVE to be tortured for an eternity because your imaginary friend says so. When called out on your bullshit you proclaim to be love, you can't come up with a single convincing argument. Instead you get offended by "bad words" and proclaim to know the thoughts and actions of others.
ok so this is how a "master debator" such as yourself debates??? By reposting over and over to chase your opposition away? you are a coward, to scared to admit you are frightened of a life in which you are not only without direction but without connection to the world around you, you live in a bubble of me me me and every other word of text you write is just foul language. im glad you responded in this way, it will show people how sad you really are. Someone has prayed for you, and GOD is good.
@memyselfandidontknow Pardon so responding to posters is cowardly? I supposed deleting your comments or outright ignoring them like many theist video posters would be the more manly way to deal with things right? Idiot. I respond to them because I'm refuting your argument.
Also how am I frightened of a life in which I am without direction? Pardon I disbelieve in a God and thus any sort of divine plan, you sir are the one relying on some master plan for life. God an evil prick.
@memyselfandidontknow Oh look you can point out a grammatical typo and then completely ignore the entire point of the rest of the statement. Good for you kiddo, you get a gold star. 4 more and you can debate like a grown up.
1st Cor 1 18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God,
Jesus had been with God the Father from all time, He knew God's eyes on Him at ALL time. He became sin for us because our selfish little hearts are full of things that are wrong that are morally wrong, that WE know are wrong. The fact is He IS GOD ... read the bible, In John 8:58 Jesus says, "before Abraham was, I Am." He as GOD chose from the Beginning of time and you CHOSE to stay unforgiven.Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers
@memyselfandidontknow I don't choose to stay unforgiven, forgiveness is the choice of the person doing the forgiving, not the person being forgiven. I don't believe there is any reason for me to ask for forgiveness either, it's bullshit that ANYONE is judged guilty for a crime they did not commit because God was, apparently, to incompetent to build his own creations with the knowledge to properly understand right and wrong and then decided to blame everyone for his own fuck up.
@memyselfandidontknow I don't choose to stay unforgiven, forgiveness is the choice of the person doing the forgiving, not the person being forgiven. I don't believe there is any reason for me to ask for forgiveness either, it's bullshit that ANYONE is judged guilty for a crime they did not commit because God was, apparently, to incompetent to build his own creations with the knowledge to properly understand right and wrong and then decided to blame everyone for his own fuck up.
@memyselfandidontknow I don't choose to stay unforgiven, forgiveness is the choice of the person doing the forgiving, not the person being forgiven. I don't believe there is any reason for me to ask for forgiveness either, it's bullshit that ANYONE is judged guilty for a crime they did not commit because God was, apparently, to incompetent to build his own creations with the knowledge to properly understand right and wrong and then decided to blame everyone for his own fuck up.
you were born with no "knowledge" of "sin" , so you say. Ofcourse you yourself use the "child" as a point to explain the wrong or right involved. However, No one taught you to lie to people , no one taught you to be selfish but you kept all the toys and candy for you. You want to be a evolved being and yet you thru original sin have the basis of sin in the original form is stitched into your dna. The "disobedience" was at a level u cannot ponder they "walked with GOD daily" and they Chose to sin
@memyselfandidontknow You're right dipshit, no one did teach us those things, so what? Your claim that only do bad things because we're born knowing how to do them and this therefor proves sin is idiotic. Also your God must be pretty damn incompetent then if he can't build beings that aren't born flawed, but with all the fuck ups in the bible who would be surprised.
Not to mention a decent understanding of Evolution makes it clear that there was no such thing as the "first" Humans, So the whole concept of Original Sin goes right out the window and without Original Sin there's no reason for Yahweh to Sacrifice himself to himself, thus the nail in the coffin for Christianity. I subscribed based on this video alone, your closing point about being chucked into the water was spot on, kinda reminds me of something Matt Dillahunty said.
you are a logical fellow. we need more people like you on this planet. unfortunately the religious out-populate rational thinkers. there are fossilized trees in the united states which are approximately 200 million years old! if you were to state this fact to a "believer" they would simply tell you that you are a liar or that radioactive dating is a farce. i get so frustrated sometimes over the idiots in this world.
@a4evv Yes, no matter how many facts we give they always take a step back and lie for God or proclaim God made it that way to try and test us... It gets annoying but really the target of many of these debates is not so much the person I'm debating, but rather those listening. There are always going to be a few people on the fence that are still unsure of whether or not they buy into the God claim and those are the people we can make think before they retire their brains forever.
Please dont think I meant that in a derogatory way. And you are most certainly correct- religion is basically unchanging, so logical thinkers are bound to rehashing things! Great video!
@juggaloryan3 Oh no I certainly didn't think of it badly, was just joking around since we oh so often like to point out how the argument for Creation likes to repeat the same fallacies over and over even after being debunked in a plethora of ways.
@juggaloryan3 Haha well yeah I'm sure there are others that have said many of the same things, we can after all only refute the same silly nonsense that get's preached so many times before we begin to repeat ourselves. Thanks for the sub.
"You said you tackled original sin and then say that I didn't talk about original sin but the origin of sin"
You claim I said this? I think your either twisting words here to formulate that. Your just as bad as the grammar nazis if the discussion is turning into "So please which is it, where you lying then or now?" which is straying off topic.
@joelarnda Sorry pal but lying won't get you out of this when your comments are so easy to find.
1. "I tackled original sin which is what I thought was your main point"
2. "Just because I said the "origin of sin" in one sentence and "original sin" in antoehr no way implies they are seperate things."
Your second post basically was bitching that I talked about one as if it was fundamentally different than the other. However the very meaning of original sin is the origin of sin.
I said you missed the point of the story for original sin -- or the origin of sin -- or however you want to call it. Your unnecesarily complicating things.
I was focusing on how you interpretated the story for Original sin to create a strawman for yourself to beat on. What you said is your main point was premised on your interpretation of original sin. I was attacking just one premise of your main arguement.
Building an arguement on a false presmise is leads to erroneous conclusions.
@joelarnda Pardon but no, where was my strawman? The story talks about two humans that didn't know the difference between right and wrong, where given a command they couldn't possibly differentiate as right or wrong do to aforementioned lack of knowledge, and then punished by a creator that made them in such a fashion that it knew this would be the result.
Please look up the definition of the word strawman before continuing to so blatantly misuse it.
Good video. The original sin is probably one of the most ridiculous aspects of Christianity that there is. I don't know if you're interested in Islam being debunked but if you are I just uploaded a video on it.
The lyrics from "The Monkey" (condensed) and 2001 Space Odyssey: the dawn of man sequence; demonstrates where the point of where knoledge of good and evil of humans chose has set the path that we can never go back from (The planet forever is changed by humanity).
Original sin is what still plagues us to this day with wars, destructions, rain forests decimated, inhabitable areas for 10,000 years due to radioactivity, and etc. I would hardly call it just surviving with nature.
@joelarnda I couldn't disagree more. Monkeys as well as nigh all other forms of animal life kill each other all the time. Whether that killing is with tooth or claw is rather irrelevant. The story of Eden is absurd because it claims to have these same animals not burdened with this same sin living in harmony yet anyone that takes more than a five second glance at nature can tell you they aren't absent of the same violence that we have.
@DarkBunnyLord (1/2) I think you need to take the time and watch Space Odyssey 2001. 1) There is a clear difference when something is killed and when something is murdered- sometimes its grey but there is a difference your choosing to ignore.
2) Given the title of your video- I tackled original sin which is what I thought was your main point. What you now say is your main point is predicated on the origin of sin. So, I am just focusing on the misunderstanding of the story first.
@joelarnda Pardon but original sin IS the origin of sin according to the bible (now given I don't believe in the bible or sin but we're speaking in terms of the content discussed). What you just said was like saying "I thought the point was about automobiles and yet here you are talking about cars".
Also the difference between murder and killing is just preplanned, now typically we only use it for humans but this somewhat looses the meaning as pre-planned which is the focus. Many animals(cont)
"Pardon but original sin IS the origin of sin according to the bible (now given I don't believe in the bible or sin but we're speaking in terms of the content discussed)."
Just because I said the "origin of sin" in one sentence and "original sin" in antoehr no way implies they are seperate things. This practice of twisting is a sign of immaturity or being disingenous.
Obviously you want the strawman story instead of hearing what I was going to say
@joelarnda You said you tackled original sin and then say that I didn't talk about original sin but the origin of sin. Thus if you didn't mean that they where seperate as you claim you didn't mean now, then what you said was "I thought you where talking about x but instead now you're talking about x"
So please which is it, where you lying then or now?
@joelarnda (cont) take life pre-planned and many take life for the sake of taking life. Not for food, not for protection, but merely to kill. To suggest this trait isn't found in nature is absurd as you need look no further than the common house cat.
@DarkBunnyLord yes the animal world as we knowi t since SIN has exisisted is full of violence and killing and the planet is torn apart by natural disaters, and "bad"people do wrong to "good" people... yes this is ALL due to the introduction of SIN into the once pristine EDEN. Perfection was then ruined and the world as we know it exists monkey on monkey violence too. :)
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
@joelarnda (cont) On top of all of this you really didn't refute my main point, that this "Perfect, loving, omnipotent being" decided to punish the ignorant for being ignorant when he made them ignorant and then to punish all of the rest of humanity for something they didn't do. No matter what anyone did or didn't want in their life time would have had no relevance to the decisions made by those who came before we even lived.
If the story is claimed to be merely allegorical then the need (cont)
@joelarnda (cont) Jesus vanishes destroying Christianity, the need for self loathing or repentance also vanishes for Islam and Judaism because it then becomes directly Gods fault (even though I would argue it was his anyways having known what would happen if he set things up the way he supposedly did) that man is they way they are.
And three monkeys sat in a coconut tree Discussing things as they are said to be Said one to other now listen, you two “There’s a certain rumour that just can’t be true That man descended from our noble race Why, the very idea is a big disgrace, yea”
....
Here’s another thing a monkey won’t do Go out on a night and get all in a stew Or use a gun or a club or a knife And take another monkey’s life Yes, man descended, the worthless bum But, brothers, from us he did not come
We would still be living in Eden today- if we only lived like the animals in peace and harmony with the earth. We chose to evolve technologically- since then we as a species have been out of balance and have destroyed eden.
Stanley Kubrick illustrates this point very well with Space Odyssey 2001 with the Dawn of man with the tribes of monkeys and the technology of using a bone as smashing tool. Then the bone then turns into a space station
and by the way the bible is the ONLY book written of its kind which has accurately predicted the rise and fall of empire after empire. the worlds scientific views have just reinforced what the bible has been teaching for years and years. you really need to watch a film by Ben Stein " Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" these debates will be more to your liking. Keep learning and I really do pray for you to realise GOD is there and HE does love you, you just have to introduce yourself to Him.
memyselfandidontknow 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow No it hasn't, prove otherwise, name an empire that fell after the bible was written that it explicitly predicted... just one please it'll be amusing to see you bullshit your way out of this one.
The worlds scientific views have clashed constantly with the bible, why the hell do you think the Catholics threatened scienctists long ago as they discovered new truths we know now? It's because the clashed with that stupid book. The earth is not flat, easiest one to point out.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow (cont) God loves me? Bullshit. If he was real and loved anyone there wouldn't be a hell to go to. Don't feed me this line about it being "made for demons" because he's claimed to be all knowing meaning he knew he what he created would be good or bad when he made it and still made it. This makes him responsible for everything that happens if he did exist in the first place (something yo have yet to do anything other than state instead of attempting to prove).
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
the really sad part is that you have already subjected people in your own life to this "rant" or tantrum to put it in correct terms. You are pissed off at a GOD who doesnt answer you, I am 100% certain you have prayed for someone to not die or thru otherwise miraculous means will get what is needed in your life or the life of someone you love. And GOD didnt answer it right? The bible clearly states that GOD is deaf to the prayers of the unsaved, HE hears the prayer of those HE knows as His own
memyselfandidontknow 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow No I'm not any more pissed of at God than you are at Odin. I'm pissed off at people like YOU sir who continually state that perfectly good people DESERVE to be tortured for an eternity because your imaginary friend says so. When called out on your bullshit you proclaim to be love, you can't come up with a single convincing argument. Instead you get offended by "bad words" and proclaim to know the thoughts and actions of others.
So stop assuming things, it makes you an ass.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
ok so this is how a "master debator" such as yourself debates??? By reposting over and over to chase your opposition away? you are a coward, to scared to admit you are frightened of a life in which you are not only without direction but without connection to the world around you, you live in a bubble of me me me and every other word of text you write is just foul language. im glad you responded in this way, it will show people how sad you really are. Someone has prayed for you, and GOD is good.
memyselfandidontknow 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow Pardon so responding to posters is cowardly? I supposed deleting your comments or outright ignoring them like many theist video posters would be the more manly way to deal with things right? Idiot. I respond to them because I'm refuting your argument.
Also how am I frightened of a life in which I am without direction? Pardon I disbelieve in a God and thus any sort of divine plan, you sir are the one relying on some master plan for life. God an evil prick.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
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memyselfandidontknow 2 weeks ago
Uploaded by DarkBunnyLord on Jan 7, 2012
"I rant a bit about the laughable logic behind original sin and the need for Jesuses sacrifice in the bible."
... Jesuses ????? Really? you may want to get saved and then put the bong down and graduate.
memyselfandidontknow 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow Oh look you can point out a grammatical typo and then completely ignore the entire point of the rest of the statement. Good for you kiddo, you get a gold star. 4 more and you can debate like a grown up.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
1st Cor 1 18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God,
Reason - GOD= no hell? Pray you are right.
memyselfandidontknow 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow
Please tell me how quoting verses from a book that I don't believe in is supposed to convince me of anything.
"Pray you are right"
I don't pray, I do productive things with my time instead.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow
Please tell me how quoting verses from a book that I don't believe in is supposed to convince me of anything.
"Pray you are right"
I don't pray, I do productive things with my time instead.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow
Please tell me how quoting verses from a book that I don't believe in is supposed to convince me of anything.
"Pray you are right"
I don't pray, I do productive things with my time instead.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow
Please tell me how quoting verses from a book that I don't believe in is supposed to convince me of anything.
"Pray you are right"
I don't pray, I do productive things with my time instead.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow
Please tell me how quoting verses from a book that I don't believe in is supposed to convince me of anything.
"Pray you are right"
I don't pray, I do productive things with my time instead.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow
Please tell me how quoting verses from a book that I don't believe in is supposed to convince me of anything.
"Pray you are right"
I don't pray, I do productive things with my time instead.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow
Please tell me how quoting verses from a book that I don't believe in is supposed to convince me of anything.
"Pray you are right"
I don't pray, I do productive things with my time instead.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow
Please tell me how quoting verses from a book that I don't believe in is supposed to convince me of anything.
"Pray you are right"
I don't pray, I do productive things with my time instead.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow
Please tell me how quoting verses from a book that I don't believe in is supposed to convince me of anything.
"Pray you are right"
I don't pray, I do productive things with my time instead.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow
Please tell me how quoting verses from a book that I don't believe in is supposed to convince me of anything.
"Pray you are right"
I don't pray, I do productive things with my time instead.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
Jesus had been with God the Father from all time, He knew God's eyes on Him at ALL time. He became sin for us because our selfish little hearts are full of things that are wrong that are morally wrong, that WE know are wrong. The fact is He IS GOD ... read the bible, In John 8:58 Jesus says, "before Abraham was, I Am." He as GOD chose from the Beginning of time and you CHOSE to stay unforgiven.Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers
memyselfandidontknow 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow I don't choose to stay unforgiven, forgiveness is the choice of the person doing the forgiving, not the person being forgiven. I don't believe there is any reason for me to ask for forgiveness either, it's bullshit that ANYONE is judged guilty for a crime they did not commit because God was, apparently, to incompetent to build his own creations with the knowledge to properly understand right and wrong and then decided to blame everyone for his own fuck up.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow I don't choose to stay unforgiven, forgiveness is the choice of the person doing the forgiving, not the person being forgiven. I don't believe there is any reason for me to ask for forgiveness either, it's bullshit that ANYONE is judged guilty for a crime they did not commit because God was, apparently, to incompetent to build his own creations with the knowledge to properly understand right and wrong and then decided to blame everyone for his own fuck up.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow I don't choose to stay unforgiven, forgiveness is the choice of the person doing the forgiving, not the person being forgiven. I don't believe there is any reason for me to ask for forgiveness either, it's bullshit that ANYONE is judged guilty for a crime they did not commit because God was, apparently, to incompetent to build his own creations with the knowledge to properly understand right and wrong and then decided to blame everyone for his own fuck up.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
you were born with no "knowledge" of "sin" , so you say. Ofcourse you yourself use the "child" as a point to explain the wrong or right involved. However, No one taught you to lie to people , no one taught you to be selfish but you kept all the toys and candy for you. You want to be a evolved being and yet you thru original sin have the basis of sin in the original form is stitched into your dna. The "disobedience" was at a level u cannot ponder they "walked with GOD daily" and they Chose to sin
memyselfandidontknow 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow You're right dipshit, no one did teach us those things, so what? Your claim that only do bad things because we're born knowing how to do them and this therefor proves sin is idiotic. Also your God must be pretty damn incompetent then if he can't build beings that aren't born flawed, but with all the fuck ups in the bible who would be surprised.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
Not to mention a decent understanding of Evolution makes it clear that there was no such thing as the "first" Humans, So the whole concept of Original Sin goes right out the window and without Original Sin there's no reason for Yahweh to Sacrifice himself to himself, thus the nail in the coffin for Christianity. I subscribed based on this video alone, your closing point about being chucked into the water was spot on, kinda reminds me of something Matt Dillahunty said.
23Tev 1 month ago
@23Tev Matt is a very well spoken man, I have indeed used some of his examples in my videos.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
you are a logical fellow. we need more people like you on this planet. unfortunately the religious out-populate rational thinkers. there are fossilized trees in the united states which are approximately 200 million years old! if you were to state this fact to a "believer" they would simply tell you that you are a liar or that radioactive dating is a farce. i get so frustrated sometimes over the idiots in this world.
a4evv 1 month ago
@a4evv Yes, no matter how many facts we give they always take a step back and lie for God or proclaim God made it that way to try and test us... It gets annoying but really the target of many of these debates is not so much the person I'm debating, but rather those listening. There are always going to be a few people on the fence that are still unsure of whether or not they buy into the God claim and those are the people we can make think before they retire their brains forever.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
Please dont think I meant that in a derogatory way. And you are most certainly correct- religion is basically unchanging, so logical thinkers are bound to rehashing things! Great video!
juggaloryan3 1 month ago
@juggaloryan3 Oh no I certainly didn't think of it badly, was just joking around since we oh so often like to point out how the argument for Creation likes to repeat the same fallacies over and over even after being debunked in a plethora of ways.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
I have heard these points before. But I like you (in this video, have not watched others), so I am subscribing!
juggaloryan3 1 month ago
@juggaloryan3 Haha well yeah I'm sure there are others that have said many of the same things, we can after all only refute the same silly nonsense that get's preached so many times before we begin to repeat ourselves. Thanks for the sub.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
Totally Agree with you on this one. Keep them coming.
tomtomttom 1 month ago
"You said you tackled original sin and then say that I didn't talk about original sin but the origin of sin"
You claim I said this? I think your either twisting words here to formulate that. Your just as bad as the grammar nazis if the discussion is turning into "So please which is it, where you lying then or now?" which is straying off topic.
Look through the posts and take the time read.
joelarnda 1 month ago
@joelarnda Sorry pal but lying won't get you out of this when your comments are so easy to find.
1. "I tackled original sin which is what I thought was your main point"
2. "Just because I said the "origin of sin" in one sentence and "original sin" in antoehr no way implies they are seperate things."
Your second post basically was bitching that I talked about one as if it was fundamentally different than the other. However the very meaning of original sin is the origin of sin.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
I said you missed the point of the story for original sin -- or the origin of sin -- or however you want to call it. Your unnecesarily complicating things.
I was focusing on how you interpretated the story for Original sin to create a strawman for yourself to beat on. What you said is your main point was premised on your interpretation of original sin. I was attacking just one premise of your main arguement.
Building an arguement on a false presmise is leads to erroneous conclusions.
joelarnda 1 month ago
@joelarnda Pardon but no, where was my strawman? The story talks about two humans that didn't know the difference between right and wrong, where given a command they couldn't possibly differentiate as right or wrong do to aforementioned lack of knowledge, and then punished by a creator that made them in such a fashion that it knew this would be the result.
Please look up the definition of the word strawman before continuing to so blatantly misuse it.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
Good video. The original sin is probably one of the most ridiculous aspects of Christianity that there is. I don't know if you're interested in Islam being debunked but if you are I just uploaded a video on it.
Yewon2001 1 month ago
@Yewon2001 Thank you and sure I'll check it out.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
3/3
The lyrics from "The Monkey" (condensed) and 2001 Space Odyssey: the dawn of man sequence; demonstrates where the point of where knoledge of good and evil of humans chose has set the path that we can never go back from (The planet forever is changed by humanity).
Original sin is what still plagues us to this day with wars, destructions, rain forests decimated, inhabitable areas for 10,000 years due to radioactivity, and etc. I would hardly call it just surviving with nature.
joelarnda 1 month ago
@joelarnda I couldn't disagree more. Monkeys as well as nigh all other forms of animal life kill each other all the time. Whether that killing is with tooth or claw is rather irrelevant. The story of Eden is absurd because it claims to have these same animals not burdened with this same sin living in harmony yet anyone that takes more than a five second glance at nature can tell you they aren't absent of the same violence that we have.
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DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
@DarkBunnyLord (1/2) I think you need to take the time and watch Space Odyssey 2001. 1) There is a clear difference when something is killed and when something is murdered- sometimes its grey but there is a difference your choosing to ignore.
2) Given the title of your video- I tackled original sin which is what I thought was your main point. What you now say is your main point is predicated on the origin of sin. So, I am just focusing on the misunderstanding of the story first.
joelarnda 1 month ago
@joelarnda Pardon but original sin IS the origin of sin according to the bible (now given I don't believe in the bible or sin but we're speaking in terms of the content discussed). What you just said was like saying "I thought the point was about automobiles and yet here you are talking about cars".
Also the difference between murder and killing is just preplanned, now typically we only use it for humans but this somewhat looses the meaning as pre-planned which is the focus. Many animals(cont)
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
@DarkBunnyLord
I'm skipping (2/2)
"Pardon but original sin IS the origin of sin according to the bible (now given I don't believe in the bible or sin but we're speaking in terms of the content discussed)."
Just because I said the "origin of sin" in one sentence and "original sin" in antoehr no way implies they are seperate things. This practice of twisting is a sign of immaturity or being disingenous.
Obviously you want the strawman story instead of hearing what I was going to say
joelarnda 1 month ago
@joelarnda You said you tackled original sin and then say that I didn't talk about original sin but the origin of sin. Thus if you didn't mean that they where seperate as you claim you didn't mean now, then what you said was "I thought you where talking about x but instead now you're talking about x"
So please which is it, where you lying then or now?
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
@joelarnda (cont) take life pre-planned and many take life for the sake of taking life. Not for food, not for protection, but merely to kill. To suggest this trait isn't found in nature is absurd as you need look no further than the common house cat.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
@DarkBunnyLord yes the animal world as we knowi t since SIN has exisisted is full of violence and killing and the planet is torn apart by natural disaters, and "bad"people do wrong to "good" people... yes this is ALL due to the introduction of SIN into the once pristine EDEN. Perfection was then ruined and the world as we know it exists monkey on monkey violence too. :)
memyselfandidontknow 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@memyselfandidontknow It's not sin, it's behavior. Your ignorance here is astounding by trying to suggest that everything is this black and white picture. Carnivores kill other animals, killing is a sin, but if they don't do this they die since their bodies are unable to function off non-meat. Also to claim that all these natural disasters and things are because of sin is also idiotic, I thought everything happened according to God's will and that he was Omniscient? If either, it's his fault.
DarkBunnyLord 2 weeks ago
@joelarnda (cont) On top of all of this you really didn't refute my main point, that this "Perfect, loving, omnipotent being" decided to punish the ignorant for being ignorant when he made them ignorant and then to punish all of the rest of humanity for something they didn't do. No matter what anyone did or didn't want in their life time would have had no relevance to the decisions made by those who came before we even lived.
If the story is claimed to be merely allegorical then the need (cont)
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
@joelarnda (cont) Jesus vanishes destroying Christianity, the need for self loathing or repentance also vanishes for Islam and Judaism because it then becomes directly Gods fault (even though I would argue it was his anyways having known what would happen if he set things up the way he supposedly did) that man is they way they are.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
And three monkeys sat in a coconut tree Discussing things as they are said to be Said one to other now listen, you two “There’s a certain rumour that just can’t be true That man descended from our noble race Why, the very idea is a big disgrace, yea”
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Here’s another thing a monkey won’t do Go out on a night and get all in a stew Or use a gun or a club or a knife And take another monkey’s life Yes, man descended, the worthless bum But, brothers, from us he did not come
joelarnda 1 month ago
I think you missed the whole point of the story!
We would still be living in Eden today- if we only lived like the animals in peace and harmony with the earth. We chose to evolve technologically- since then we as a species have been out of balance and have destroyed eden.
Stanley Kubrick illustrates this point very well with Space Odyssey 2001 with the Dawn of man with the tribes of monkeys and the technology of using a bone as smashing tool. Then the bone then turns into a space station
joelarnda 1 month ago