The computer animation shows a carrier with the haul number 78. CVN 78 is the Reagan. The X-class carrier would continue the numbering line....78, 79, 80 and so forth. CVN 21 just doesn't fit. "21" was reserved for the Boxer; CV-21, CVA-21 and CVS-21. Yes I understand "21st" century, but come on.
i was watching the english they are already building theyre carrier in this modular design ,china, india are all building carriers as well ,the pacafic will be jammed with carriers though it wont see the english ones as the english were wasted by the japs and dont sail the pacafic anymore.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, First off the British not the English carriers will deploy wherever the goverment chooses to send them, they will be after US carriers the most powerful ships of war in history. The Japs sank 2 British capital ships in WW2, they sank far more US warships, the British pulled out of the pacific arena when the dominions of Australia and New Zealand and the rest Empire became independent, we had far more important issues in Europe do deal with, ie, the cold war and the USSR.
@TheCharlie359 look you im ref to world war 2 when you ran away and waited for the American to destroy the japs before making a reapearance once all the fighting was done, anyhow you guys can have Europe im Australian and unlike your banks ours have the 4th biggest pool of money in the world ,only china japan and not england but somehow norway are in front of us and we have a population of 22million all thanks to being in asia.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Not intrested in the economic debate, fact is the UK's economy is far larger oh and thats right we created and built yours. The British did not run away, we were fighting a global war an quite frankly the mother country and not its pacific colonies was the most important, we fought in the pacific as long and as hard as our US allies with the resources we had which thanks to Germany and Italy were pretty stretched, DONOT belittle the bravery and efforts of the British in WW2!
@TheCharlie359 your economy has no money and if you think china will allow canary wharf claw its way back in finance market you might want to start work at a belfast ship industry,and its not the fact you ran away and left us to the japs its the details about churchill trying to steal two australian division for the defence of Fkn india while we had nothing at home, those same troops inficted japans first defeat at Buna NewGuinea two years before kohima.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, If our economy had no money we'd be bankrupt which we aren't, fact is we still have a AAA credit rating unlike the US, France, China or Japan and the lowest intrest rates among the worlds major industrialised countries, London is and will remain the major global hub of trade precisley because its indepenent of goverment meddling, China announced only this week its currency may now be traded in London as well as HK so what you on about, AUSTRALIA is merely a former colony!
@TheCharlie359 how dumb can you get , none of that money is earning interest for the english its all chinese of course theyre going to throw some at a high risk option as a offset what they wont do is allow you to manage it, your gone baby gone ,as you have no liquid capital to push around . Australia has more in its super fund then the entire german bank has in all accounts for bundswhatever , you chose the common market AND YOUR PAYING FOR IT NOW.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Lets get it right the UK is not part of the Euro and Sterling is still the worlds 3rd reserve currency ahead of the Yen and Reminbi, our economy will recover, it always does, we created capitalism and the free market! Americans DIDNOT kill heaps of British soldiers to become a superpower, it became one when the European great powers destroyed eachother leaving a power vacuum which they filled. We never "robbed" your soldiers, they were volunterred by YOUR goverment to fight.
@TheCharlie359 well on those lines ill let you be ,though, and you probaly know it englands only option now is europe you chose not the euro but the common market as it was known in the 70s over Australia and Canada whom combined are bigger than russia (i even left new zealand out) you loked both nations out and ran for the gilded sheen of european market but never thought it would come back to bight you or that the worlds biggest ecconomies would asian.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, What you fail to realise is that Europe regardless of its current economic problems is still and will remain for at least 30 years the biggest economic bloc on earth, even know China is Europes biggest trading partner an vice versa, Give me proof this hedge fund exists and yes thanks to us Brits, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the USA are all prosperous nations today, remember that! The British lion will always maintain connections with her cubs but we are still European.
@TheCharlie359 the hedge funds are all called Aus super as in superanuation and because they have been mandatory in aus for 24 years have accumalated into the worlds 4th biggest pile of money ,what for you should be more amazing is the fact that norway with its half of the north sea oil has the 3rd biggest pile of liquid capital ,and rolls royce sold more cars in china than the rest of the world combined china is a bigger market than the whole of europe and england did desert us.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, I would appreciate seeing this table of facts, it must exist unless your pulling facts out of thin air, China is the worlds 2nd biggest economy behind the USA and 3rd largest single market behind the EU and Nafta, however counted as one the EU is the worlds largest economy aswell as trading bloc, you can check these facts yourself, at either the CIA world factbook, Financial Times, IMF or World Bank websites. England is a part of the UK and the UK didnot desert anyone!
@TheCharlie359 look the table of facts is of chinas over a billion people 300million have the same buying power as western europe chinas economy is still growing above 7% so there will soon be another 90 miilion with the same buying power or the equivalent of another Germany just springing out of the ground ,not only is europes economy shrinking, but because of its debts it needs to grow at a rate faster than china to just recover,then add indias 170million with the same .
@MrFattyfatfatboy And another thing before a pack of royalist Aussies jump down my throat ive not said anything bad about the queen or england in fact it would be great if the english were still running the world or at least the banks,the fact is in Austrlias time of need the english not only deserted us but tried to steal our troops for the defence of burma, we must learn to stand on our own two feet, the fast tracking of those english sailors is a mistake,we need to defend us
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Done some research, according to the IMF as of 2010, the UK was ranked in 21st place with $84.5 billion in international cash reserves, Australia meanwhile was ranked in 36th place with $41.7 billion, the UK also has over 320 tons of gold, Australia just 80, sorry to burst your bubble, seems your "superfund" isn't so super afterall.
@TheCharlie359 you call that research, the Australian super is too big for listing under any other title, its a hedge fund idiot,Gold reserves ? we sell all that we dig out of the ground so im not sure why we even have 80 tons ,but we are the 6th biggest nation on earth thanks to you,and have more in the ground than youve got in the bank still to be dug up, the fact is we are not in debt ,along with canada we have endless recources that china wants you have europes common market.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, You know its people like you i donnot understand, if it werent for Great Britain your nation simply wouldnt exist. In WW2 we were fighting for our very survival against not 1 but 3 major powers, it wasnt like Germany was going to invade Australia, fact is we simply didnt have the resources to fight everywhere at once, sacrifices had to be made, we did what we could, just be thankful the British colonised America or you'd be fucked too.
@TheCharlie359 thats the point the Americans killed a heap of british soldiers and became a world super power, here in Aus i only need breath that elizabeth is an english queen with no ties to Aus and im set apon bye a bunch on ingnorant idiots who dont realize that england has only robbed us of soldiers while never defending in return, and the fast tracking of those english sailors to Aus navy has me up in arms at the same time people dont want american service people here.
@MrFattyfatfatboy Actually the Royal Navy fought Japan in the East, Germany in the North Atlantic and the Italian's in the Med. We had to split the Royal Navy into three seperate fighting forces to fight enemies which were almost as advanced as the RN- a feat that only the UK could pull off!!! USN focused on Asia we focused on the world!!!
@TheCharlie359 we are independent but nz and aussie are still part of the commonwealth and we used to get alot of british ships down here (ark royal was the last i think british carrier down here i think) legislation banned all neuclear powered ships from nz even though the carriers were conventially powered some of thier support fleet were not. But in saying that the british for the last 20 years or so have only had 1 carrier in serivice at a time with the other in drydock.
@MrFattyfatfatboy sorry what are you talking about? the english carrier wasted buy the japs? i take it you are talking about ww 2? by the end of the war the british had illustrious class,Indomitable class and Colossus class operating in the pacific.
@pramboy09 they waited till the americans had sunk the jap fleet before going back two years after they were realy needed, and the british pacafic fleet was a disaster for the americans who had to keep diverting fleet trains and supplys and never knew how many ships or how long on station the english would stay,Admiral King actualy begged the president to keep them out as it was to late and to little to of any help.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Again England is not interchangable with the UK, stop referring to England, this nation is a part of a union with Scotland, Wales and N Ireland!!!!! The British Royal Navy was busy decimating the Nazi fleet, both the British and Americans agreed Germany first, then Japan and remember the USA is a pacific nation, the UK is on the other side of the planet, we had to use our limited resources to help defeat Germany and her allies, hardly an easy task, the UK fought hard in WW2!
@TheCharlie359 All right the UK then ,wich is strange for us Australians as we call the whole place be it scotland ireland wales as england seeing how its so small you would think you could not tell where one starts and the other begins, but anyhow good luck and if your in the navy might see you in Aus as defence is fast tracking UK sailors into the RAN so they dont get laid off.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Small yes but we punch well above our weight!!! As for former RN sailors in the RAN, you should be grateful for them, dont make out its Aus doing the UK favour, its about getting what your goverment knows are the finest sailors on earth for its fleet thanks to Aus being a commonwealth country and cuts to our budgets which by the way are still 3 1/2 times as large as your own.
@TheCharlie359 yeah ,but were not in debt and normaly would lynch any govt that spent more than 3% of GDP on defence wich is going up to 5% only because were replacing every thing from f-18s to blackhawks to ships .Plus were also fast tracking US service men as well so looks like were not that fussy either ,and were paying for some US bases to built here with US marines .
@MrFattyfatfatboy, 5% GDP on defense, thats quite a lot, the UK was spending 5% at the end of the cold war, now its a mere 2.3%, the UK's armed forces are also undergoing huge replacement programmes, with carriers, ssn's, destroyers, f35's, amoured vehicles and lynx wildcat an chinook choppers all under construction plus a huge programme to replace our frigates and ssbn's due to begin soon but somehow the goverments making it work on such a limited budget, US bases are closing throughout Europe.
@TheCharlie359 This is just the start as US navy has the army being built into a copy of a marine expidition force,why we had M1A tanks forced apon us and LAVs, were buying romeo seahawks also because of them ,and they want Australias next subs to be Virginias wich is why west Aus is all so keen for nuclear power as they want precedent in nuclear power as pretext for nuclear sub base, it gets better were also to be main depot for pacafic Marines ,not Hawai.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, It seems to me that you are deeply anti British, yet hugely pro American, why is that? The UK was your former boss and now the US is yet even though both our nations effectively told and tell Australia what it should do, you praise one while you slate the other, strange. Thats because the US is repositioning itself as a pacific power, Europes at peace and able to defend itself, hence the reason many US bases are closing or have been given a timetable for withdrawal.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, I'm not sure if the Australian defence budget could support the construction and maintinace of Virginia class SSN's nor do i think the US would grant Australia access to such sophisticated technology, to date only the UK has nuclear cooperation with the USA in military applications and has done since 1958 and only because were equals in technical terms, not even Germany or Japan share that level of cooperation. Virginia's cost $2.5 billion per boat, out of Australia's leauge.
@TheCharlie359 each collins came out at three times the original price,unlike you guys we have all the money in the world wich throw at expensive toys ,when we chose to build those spanish aegis ships here, we tripled the price just to build them in aus ,and if you take not the contract for futre subs has been changed subtley to follow what US navy wants , wich they have already brought to the table, 12 Virginias and Virginias are not seawolf they would sell em to Iran .
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Are you crackpot fuckin crazy? The Virginia class subs are cheaper to be sure, there are no enemies to warrant the huge cost of the Seawolfs but still they are easily as capable as their nearest peer (cost wise) the British Astutes and way ahead of the your Collins class SSK's. Your aegis ships are built with huge technical assistance both from the US and Spain and 12 Virginia's would cost over $30 billion, out of Australias leauge, your defense budgets just far to small!
@TheCharlie359 Like i said before we will spend three to four times on a defence project to see offsets in knowhow and self sufficiency, and 30billion us is not that big a stretch over 18 years of programe time scale ,not to mention it would not cost that much in the first place and US navy wants the price through quantity on what is a improved boat on the class and wording on futre subs has been changed on them being made here wich was the first hint plus WA reactor push.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Lets get real, your not talking facts more make believe, Australia simply does NOT have the cash to spend, if it did it would, your to small a player to ever support 12 SSN's, the UK and France both spend 3 times more on their militaries and they can only afford 12 and 10 nuke subs respectivley and they have 50 years experience operating and maintaining them, Even if the US were to build and maintain them for you in the US, the infrastruture costs in AUS would choke the RAN.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Australia does not have the cash or the political will to become a nuke sub operator. It would also require a change in US law to allow defence cooperation with Australia in nuclear tech, an area the US considers vital to its security, it has allies its far closer with than Aus it simply will not share that tech with and i very much doubt China would approve of Aus owning and the US giving nuke sub tech not to mention South Korea, Japan and Tiawan who have closer military ties
@TheCharlie359 you know what im tired of telling you, look up wikipedia and the virginia class,take note it says Australia pushing for 12 ,canada for 8 the guy saying Aus should buy 12 is the same guy that dismissed euro fighter and said we dont need to contest the purchase as it is way better so for first time in defence history no contest was held,than the govt said 72,but he said no 100, and the govt said it will buy on after 72, ok
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Dont change the subject and wikipedia is the least reliable source of information on the net, it can be edited by anybody. Canada operates 4 SSK's Australia 6, it was recommended that Aus boost its numbers to 12 and this was confirmed in 2009 DWP, it states the submarines "will be of unique Australian design and will not be a variant of any existing foreign design" it says nuclear propulsion has been ruled out as too costly and that the subs are to be an advanced AIP design.
@TheCharlie359 Ive already mentioned that they have changed the wording to that of one produced out side of Aus, to placate south Aus ship builders thier offering the universal ship that will replace ANZAC wich for now looks like joint UK, AUS deal as Canada has pulled out though we might do the same and follow for an american one,the guy who recomended the 12 virginias is the same guy who said buy F-35 and then told govt not hold competitive bids ,the govt did exact what he said.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Right firstly you keep changing the subject, to what ship are you know referring to that will be a joint UK/Australian project, the T26 frigate? As for the Virginia class, it was a simple recommendation made by a respected university proffessor, in it he suggested Australia "rent" 12 Virginias, that is not official Aus goverment policy, they intend to build an improved collins class with AIP, as for the F35 the UK is the only level 1 (we have the codes) partner in the project.
@TheCharlie359 what ive changed nothing! he is the same proffesor who said that we should buy C-17 instead of 4 J hercs ,so we bought 4 C-17s, the airforce decided on another two but he is the guy the govt listens too ,he also said not to worry about a competition on F-35 and our govt chose it without competition.The US navy is draging us and canada by the looks of it into the Virginias,ive already said the wording on them being built and developed in aus has changed.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, I'm ending this debate, you clearly are simply motivated by national pride and not facts, the simple fact is this, Australia is a small pacific power who does NOT have the capablilty or funding to operate 12 Virginia class SSN's, the UK, (even though much diminished) is still a global power, with a defense budget 3 times the size of Australias and we only have 8 SSN's and all the nuclear infrastructure in place, the US will NOT share militarised nuclear tech with Aus FACT!
@TheCharlie359 there was no debate i told you the facts and as i write this im downloading an fact sheet on forward deployment of US navy assets in the Indian and pacafic ocean wich brings up west Australia as a nuclear sub base ,both canad and australia will operate virginias and japan is being lead by the nose on deploying a CV, its the facts that both Canada and Australia unlike the UK have cashed up Govts without debt and will be forced to spend up on defence by US industry.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Dream on!! you know nothing about geo-politics or the military world, neither Canada or Australia have the resources they are simply not big enough players, the UK and the USA are both in debt yeah, so what, we also have economies strong enough to honour those debts, fact is this, we DO operate nuke subs, you DONT and NEVER will. Remember any sharing by the US regarding militarised nuke tech would require a change in US law. Australia has always been a FOB for UK/US nuke subs.
@TheCharlie359 Look im not sure why you care or what makes you think that Australia and Canada cant seeing theyre both countrys have neither been hit by a recession or depression ,and its the US navy who is not so subtley pushing these units but the Virginia is now well in both nations budget ,what it is not is the man power, Australia wich now is not just fast tracking royal navy to its ranks but US servic men are now again thanks to US navy able to directly apply for the RAN.
@TheCharlie359 Dumm fuck, it now looks as singapore will be offered three Virginias to operated out of West Aus along with Australian models in what the US navy see's as NATO EQ organisation that will combine Rotnest base as that of first stop logistic 3 T.A.R.E base and you stupid idiot think im backing them,in treating Aus as another state in the union.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Thats the direction Australia is heading, not nuclear, thats for the big boys, Australia just does not have the infrastructure in place for nuclear subs and it would alter the balance of power in a way that China would not tolerate (without China Australia would have had NO economic boom) and i suspect India too would have cause for concern. Plus US pacific allies South Korea and Tiawan would be fuming as would to a lesser extent Japan on special treatment for Aus over them.
@MrFattyfatfatboy i don't know if you have ever lived in the uk, but if you call scot, irish, or welshman a pom or english they would smack your head in, they all have completly different histories, culture and language. I don't know if you are just winding this guy up, but some of the stuff you are saying about the brits is a bit uncalled for.
@pramboy09 what the facts about england needing 8 battle ships and 5 carriers to see off 1 german battleship and some cruisers while leaving Aus with nothing?.Thats the truth,and i dont hate england ive just pointed out that electric boat has eyes on Aus and Canadas navy as a source of easy money,i work for NOVA and were watching an 100 billion dollar programme get stolen in front of us,just like Lockheed watched Boeing replace J hercs already ordered by more C17s an apology you owe.
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Listen the Pacific war didnt start until Dec 7th 1941, until that moment Australia was under NO direct threat from Japan, Great Britain meanwhile had been engulfed in the most destructive war in human history for over 2 years in Europe and was facing the greatest ever threat to its very existence, you tell the hundreds of thousands of Canadian troops, the thousands of British merchant sailors and hard workin Yanks that those warships were needed elsewhere little man!
@TheCharlie359 agreed, at that time britain was being starved out by u-boats sinking merchant shipping and not to mention the threat of german battleships, battlecrusiers and pocket battleships. I have no problem my countrymen (NZ) was fighting in north africa and europe, if britain had fell we would have had a bigger problem with the japanese and german influence in the pacific.
@MrFattyfatfatboy mate, the british were pushed out of singpore and the rest of asia by the japanese,just where were they supposed to refuel and rearm on there way to australia?? secondly you still seem to forget the RN was pushed thin trying to keep themselves above water by having to fight in the med, artic, atlantic and north africa, the americans had a pacific fleet and their job was to try to push the japs out. The british only had a small amount of carriers in 42.
@MrFattyfatfatboy the hunt for the bismarck was in may 1941, there was no threat to australia and new zealand secondly there were not 5 carriers 8 battleships involved there were eventually 6 battleships and 2 carriers involved
@MrFattyfatfatboy it's not suprising the brits didn't have a huge influence in the pacific considering they were fighting the germans and italians, in the atlantic ocean,
Mediterranean and artic ocean. Of course the americans already had an pacific fleet and were in the process of building many essex class carriers so it's not suprising they were better set up for that sort of fighting. where did you read about admiral king?
@pramboy09 Admiral king who's own daughter said he was the most even tempered man in the navy as he was always in a rage,was actualy Australias true savior.While england just sailed away and was holding up the return of Australian troops and MacArthur was drawing up the brisbane line it was king who slammed the foppy britsh joint chief of staff on the side of the head and to qoute him"God dam it thier white and ill be dammed if one jap lives to see an Australia" he drew the line.
The USA and the USN in particular have been the most important factor in establishing and maintaining peace among the worlds "Great Powers" for over 65 years, this should not be forgotton by the peoples of jelous and ungrateful nations (including some so called allies) or the American people themselves, the old saying "with great power comes great responsibility" couldnt be more appropriate and these carriers are needed to ensure the USA remains ahead of her rivals, USA/UK allies alway!!!
@JLXZ83 No one could beat us... It would be great!!! We do work together already I was just saying that seeing all of these new ships together would boost the 'Special Relationship' even further. I am proud to be British but I love the US and (most) of the people in the US!!!
To answer your question, yes - I'm American - and proud to be (for most of the part). Just hate what our Government does sometimes to which makes me become ashamed that I am American. What do you think?
@JLXZ83 I think that the US Government has made some terrible decisions, like the British Government no one's perfect. You should not be ashamed to be American- the USA has done bad things but so has the UK and yet I am still so very proud of our little island.
I also think that the UK/US bond will never weaken, even if the US does seek to gain more allies in the East- I don't think that the good people of the good old US of A would allow that to happen.
You know, not everyone would agree with you, but I see to it that that is the best response. Thanks, I think your the nicest Brit I have ever talked to. I wish everyone had kindness in them. Oh and when you do visit... there may be several things that might discourage you, but trust me; there are a lot of people here that are kind and full of positive spirit!
to be honest with the major money worries of the nation i can't see these carriers going much further thant he drawing board. can see the nimitz class around alot longer yet.
@pramboy09 They will build it because the status quo wants more wars because it rakes in the profits. Y do you think they wanna BOMB Iran? Who do you think profited from the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Not the Afghanistan, Iraq or America ppl; It was the corporations, the elites and the military industrial complex while the poor fight the wars and kill other humans in the name of Democracy, and preemptive attacks to achieve elections American style.
@pramboy09, The G.R.Ford herself is already way into her build, the hull is due to be launched in a 2014 followed a few years later with her commissioning.
@TheCharlie359 find that amazing, can't see why you need these carriers, you already have the biggest most powerful carriers in the world why not just upgrade the nimitz classs and with the money saved more can be spent on aircraft development especially with the financial situation of the country and with obama now cost cutting the military.
@GameMaster2565 If china builds missiles like it builds everything else U.S has nothing to worry about and anything they make U.S can nodoubt counter.
@GameMaster2565 That missile is only theoretical they dont have that kind of technology ,but ya they probably can build a mach 3 scud missile who cant?U.S does not reveal everything this carrier will go into service and be well protected.
@GameMaster2565 Im up on that stuff it hasnt been confirmed by U.S intelligence theres nodoubt that they have a missile thats mach 3 but its not advanced enought to hit a moving target and thats a fact.
@GameMaster2565 I didn't say that boy only that they do not have a missile that accurate,even U.S MX isnt that pin point it hasnt been confirmed by U.S intelligence our technology is more advanced then chinas they cant even build a decent fighter jet stop hating!
The Truth About the Useless F-35 & F-22 usa australia reported after joint air combats to evaluate both planes against older sukois both chinese n Russian planes way ahead carriers sure the usa is way ahead
@polygamous1 Don't be deluded with that ozzy report mate. Ozz is getting the A model F35. The only two nations getting the real F35 (C model) is the USA and UK. Tier2 partners and below get the export variant (A model) which is nothing like what we are getting lolz:
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The A model has short wings and it's this which gives it the lack in performance when it comes to agility. Also, the A model doesn't come with the C models software.
@TheARMAProductions well i hope all u said its right n no one else gets it if its this good anyway they OWE it to us they used the RR Merlin engine on their Mustangs during WW2 n the RR jet engine on their first jet fighter the Saber n Vertical take of was in honesty perfected for the HARRIER everybody tried no one managed it am sure they had all the Harrier knowelage TO HELP THEM its what they owe us even the first Russia jet fighter had a RR engine Imagine no one else had the jet engine?
@polygamous1 Always will be ahead thats why you're so envious because you're country cant do anything and U.S jets in israeli air force always come out on top of russian jets in dog fights so now what?Look at the battle over the bekka valley israeli air force destroyed syrian air force it was a turkey shoot by older U.S f-16's what a debacle that was for soviet migs.
@polygamous1 I dont know you tell me you're the one bashing on superior U.S weopons systems,I can rag on the junk you're country manages to produce 24/7 now what?
@wildwildwest1414 They can't even make a decent fighter jet? LOL how old r u? Watch the news? To name a few, China's J10 is a 4.5 generation fighter jet with extremly high manuverabilties. Better than the F-16. (thats why they made it. to go against the f16) China will have a 5th generation fighter soon. The prototype already has some advatages over the F-22 and it's so far F-22's only rival. China's military isn't what its like 60 years ago. Its the 3rd most powerful country today and going up!
@GameMaster2565 It's generic they have to try and copy russian aircraft they can't even build a car what a joke they can't make an aircraft carrier much less a accurate missle they're a paper tiger overpopulated fakes!
@wildwildwest1414 LOL Taiwan is a weak country. Taiwan will never pass China cuz its following the US. The US will never let their allies be strong. Taiwan can't be strong no matter what cuz its a very small country.
@GameMaster2565 It doesn't matter taiwan is under U.S and Natos wing It wouldnt be in chinas best interest to attack it militarily and economically,why fuck everything all up when it's going so good unless,there are other warmonging motives which like through out history will fail and end up in desaster!
@wildwildwest1414 i think his point is that taiwan isnt allowed to act too independantly, because america needs submissive allies in asia, so it can build military bases without too much trouble...
look at japan and south korea...their militaries fall under US control, and they both have tonnes of us bases on their soil
America purposely keeps these nations weak, so that they will continue to "need" US help in the future...much like a vassal state
@wildwildwest1414 First of all, include commas and periods so its easier to read what ur writing. I don't hate this ship. I actually love it. But the fact that US is going to us it to bully others, that sucks. You do know that US is about to start WW3 right?
@wildwildwest1414 Yes thats a part of human nature but its not the right thing to do! Since the US is the strongest, thats what they want to do right now. Lucky theres Russia and China that will stop them from doing this! :D
@zszs100 The U.S does not want to rule anybody it has no expansionist warlike ambitions it only seeks to peacefully coexist unlike the communist who wish to impose there will on others just look at iran it has vowde to destroy and disrupt the west.
@TheArmchairSoldier please keep some place on the picture for my 'little' CVN Charles De Gaulle ;o), i really thing that UK should have motorised it with nuclear power...
@TheArmchairSoldier interesting carrier design the QE is, little bit small anymore to be called a super carrier, but it will still looks great, every navy has its own needs, dunno why the US needs 10 super carriers but we use them lol.
@MrGeforcerFX, I can understand your point but just because US carriers are getting bigger does not mean you can redefine what a "Supercarrier" is, the term was first coined for the USS-Forrestal and she weighed in at 60,000 tons standard displacement, the QE class is larger at 65,000 and at full load (with the 2010 alterations) will weigh in at 74,000 tons, this places her firmly in established supercarrier territory, maybe the G.R.Ford and her sisters should be called "Hypercarriers" lol!
@TheCharlie359 great POV on that, i love the super hyper car term usuage, the forrestal was a interesting design, i have been looking QE plans and they will be a great addition to the NATO fleet, where i think the only modern super carriers are the US ones.
@nagamora and how do you justify this ludicrous rational you have acquired? Besides your treacherous anti-west statement is not needed, the chinese have anti-ship missiles.
The first one is to replace USS Enterprise (CVN-65) by 2015. The second one is USS John F. Kennedy (CVN-79) will repace the USS Nimitz by 2018.
Will have an advanced arresting gear, automation, Electromagnetic aircraft launching system (replacing steam catapult), a new nuclear reactor, new radar, stealth features, and to carry the F-35C Lightning II. Needs about 4,600 personnel vs the Nimitz's 5,600. Also may have rail guns for aircraft and missile defense. So yeah, very cool.
@Imat00l It may enter the Ship/Submarine Recyling Program. I'd do the same thing, too. it would have been turned into a museum ship, but it won't be possible. Also, it has nuclear reactors. I think the nuclear reactors are "dying". USS Enterprise (CVN-65) should be deployed no more than two times until 2013. So we will have 10 CVN's until 2015 when USS Gerald R. Ford is launched and combat ready.
As for the Republic of China (Tawain)....I think it is best for them to handle their buisness.
@NatedogJr How ironic that the US Navy's new class of supercarriers will be named after the late US President Gerald R. Ford (as well as the next carrier to join the fleet). I like President Ford & think America would have been better off had he won the '76 general election (though he lost by only a slim margin). Still, Ford was never elected President or VP (a first) & was in office less than 3 years. The navy could have named these carriers after Jimmy Carter (like Ford a naval man) but won't!
@MrLudwigVonSchnauzer That is a big and appropriate honor for President Carter. Still, the carriers are the Navy's prize jewels, and their names have been reserved for only "select" Presidents (Republicans Reagan, GHW Bush, Ford, Eisenhower, T. Roosevelt & Lincoln; and Democrats Kennedy, Truman). No USS Nixon or Johnson or Clinton). We can also be assured there will NEVER be a carrier named USS Obama. That would be an overated, overpriced, dissapointing empty vessel that would disgrace the US.
An easy target? I doubt any US commander would sail said investment with out a nice pleasant complement of anti air and anti sub warfare as well. It is well assured that any carrier class vessel of comparable size will have destroyers and attack subs in the water. You dont think things through very well do you? Im just glad you arent in charge.
@Denchanter357 And, saturation attack could never deplete the complement of defensive weaponry... Oh no..... Never ever.. And submarines are acoustic beacons.... Yes...
@mattmatt115 not many countries exist that have the funds and weaponry to openly oppose the worlds best navy right now. especially not with the ability to deplete the defensive complements weaponry. good luck with that.
@Denchanter357 What countries would need that capability other than one which uses its military to dominate the people of other nations for economic purposes? Nobody is seeking war with the west. We simply impose war upon nations who do not toe our economic and financial line.
You know, those who choose to play their own game by their own rules, instead of playing our game by the rules we wrote....
And defensive weaponry is expended during defence actions, expend enough, and you run out.
Those are NOT balaclava mask. Those are fire retardant protective clothing. They prevent burns in case of a fire flash. Jet fuel can be very volatile, especially on the black deck of a carrier in the Indian Ocean where it is well over 100 deg.
Hey Browneyes, why do you think this is an easy target? How many US carriers have even been hit by weapons since WWII? You are making a pretty foolish comment.
@BuckeyeRobM "How many US carriers have even been hit by weapons since WWII?" you have to admit that no one were involved in a high intensity conflict since WW2 on the other hand...there's more submarine capable of striking carrier and more anti ship missile in the world right now than during the past 50 years...(if you don't count those from USA and RUSSIA of course)
@browneyes4 sure after you take out dozens of fighters, helicopters, frigates, destroyers, cruisers, subs not to mention the carriers own anti ship missiles and any reinforcements that'll be called in after the long battle, next time think before you post.
@browneyes4 after you take out all of the aircraft, the fleet, anti-ship missiles mounted on the carrier itself, and any reinforcements, yeah sounds EASY... the tactic is 'protect the carrier(s)' think before you comment
@TheCharlie359 Construction began on CVN-78 Gerald Ford in the spring of 2007,and is planned to finish in 2015.It is under construction at Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding in Newport News, Virginia.CVN-19 & CVN-20 has already been announced completion will be 2018 & 2021.The Queen Elizabeth class will finish in 2019 the second one might be scraped or used for reserve.I'm curious how the Royal Navy will be the first to use electronic catapults?Since the Gerald Ford will enter service first?
@USAFL34, 1st, what is with the confrontational attitude? 2nd, I know the construction dates for both QE and GRF classes thanks, i work for BAE surface ships responsible for QE construction (lower block 5 currently) and would like to correct you, QE herself will be launched in 2014 and enter RN service in 2016 as a helo platform only, PoW will complete in 2019 as a fully fledged CTOL carrier at which point QE will enter extended readiness until construction of the T26 frigate is well underway.
@USAFL34, At this point when the fortunes of the UK have improved its expected QE will enter her first maintence and overhaul period at which point she will be altered to CTOL configuration, G.R.Ford is currently behind schedule which as the 2 ships (QE + GRF) are honorary sisters we here in the UK find amusing as the 2 companies regulary compete with eachother in freindly competion, There are currently problems with the EMC system and due to this GRF is to complete with conventional steam cats,
@TheCharlie359 Is this more Royal Navy is better bullshit or was this an honest mistake?The Gerald Ford will be done 4 years before the Queen Elizabeth class is finished.It's possible the Queen Elizabeth class may be scraped.2019 is still a long time away for a country in a military budget crisis.The economys of Brazil,N-Korea,Russia,Italy and Mexico would have already passed the economy of the UK by 2019.Which will knock the UK off the top ten economys of the World list goodbye G8 summit.
@USAFL34, Therefore the 1st ship fitted with the EMC system (which is being built i might add with British involvement) will be PoW, which is projected to enter service before her US counterpart, I want to make clear im a huge fan of the USN and believe that American seapower is the key to global security, UK forces are designed to complement and enhance their American counterparts abilites, not to compete with them. As for your economic assesment of the UK, its seriously flawed.
@USAFL34, As for "Royal navy is better bullshit" comment, i never said it was nor do i believe it is, both navies, RN and USN are both highly skilled and capable organisations, equally competent, when it comes to abilitys however its clear who rules the roost, the USN's annual budget is around 3 times the size of the UK's total defense budget so you do the math.... Remember this though, the DoD values its UK allies more than anyother and thats fact!
@TheCharlie359 Well said, sir. Once the Queen Elizabeth Class takes to the sea, units of our two navies will be damn near interchangable. Of course, this is the goal we have been aiming for. There is no closer alliance between two nations in the history of the world. It is best demonstrated by our combined naval power.
@MrFattyfatfatboy yes the brits did but did u read the reasons why? it was a world war the world didn't evolve around us
pramboy09 5 days ago
The computer animation shows a carrier with the haul number 78. CVN 78 is the Reagan. The X-class carrier would continue the numbering line....78, 79, 80 and so forth. CVN 21 just doesn't fit. "21" was reserved for the Boxer; CV-21, CVA-21 and CVS-21. Yes I understand "21st" century, but come on.
JetMech72 1 week ago
Everyone is paranoid!
wildwildwest1414 2 weeks ago
i was watching the english they are already building theyre carrier in this modular design ,china, india are all building carriers as well ,the pacafic will be jammed with carriers though it wont see the english ones as the english were wasted by the japs and dont sail the pacafic anymore.
MrFattyfatfatboy 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, First off the British not the English carriers will deploy wherever the goverment chooses to send them, they will be after US carriers the most powerful ships of war in history. The Japs sank 2 British capital ships in WW2, they sank far more US warships, the British pulled out of the pacific arena when the dominions of Australia and New Zealand and the rest Empire became independent, we had far more important issues in Europe do deal with, ie, the cold war and the USSR.
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago
@TheCharlie359 look you im ref to world war 2 when you ran away and waited for the American to destroy the japs before making a reapearance once all the fighting was done, anyhow you guys can have Europe im Australian and unlike your banks ours have the 4th biggest pool of money in the world ,only china japan and not england but somehow norway are in front of us and we have a population of 22million all thanks to being in asia.
MrFattyfatfatboy 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Not intrested in the economic debate, fact is the UK's economy is far larger oh and thats right we created and built yours. The British did not run away, we were fighting a global war an quite frankly the mother country and not its pacific colonies was the most important, we fought in the pacific as long and as hard as our US allies with the resources we had which thanks to Germany and Italy were pretty stretched, DONOT belittle the bravery and efforts of the British in WW2!
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago
@TheCharlie359 your economy has no money and if you think china will allow canary wharf claw its way back in finance market you might want to start work at a belfast ship industry,and its not the fact you ran away and left us to the japs its the details about churchill trying to steal two australian division for the defence of Fkn india while we had nothing at home, those same troops inficted japans first defeat at Buna NewGuinea two years before kohima.
MrFattyfatfatboy 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, If our economy had no money we'd be bankrupt which we aren't, fact is we still have a AAA credit rating unlike the US, France, China or Japan and the lowest intrest rates among the worlds major industrialised countries, London is and will remain the major global hub of trade precisley because its indepenent of goverment meddling, China announced only this week its currency may now be traded in London as well as HK so what you on about, AUSTRALIA is merely a former colony!
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago
@TheCharlie359 how dumb can you get , none of that money is earning interest for the english its all chinese of course theyre going to throw some at a high risk option as a offset what they wont do is allow you to manage it, your gone baby gone ,as you have no liquid capital to push around . Australia has more in its super fund then the entire german bank has in all accounts for bundswhatever , you chose the common market AND YOUR PAYING FOR IT NOW.
MrFattyfatfatboy 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Lets get it right the UK is not part of the Euro and Sterling is still the worlds 3rd reserve currency ahead of the Yen and Reminbi, our economy will recover, it always does, we created capitalism and the free market! Americans DIDNOT kill heaps of British soldiers to become a superpower, it became one when the European great powers destroyed eachother leaving a power vacuum which they filled. We never "robbed" your soldiers, they were volunterred by YOUR goverment to fight.
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, And stop using the term English and England, we are a part of the UNITED KINGDOM the two are not interchangeable.
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago
@TheCharlie359 well on those lines ill let you be ,though, and you probaly know it englands only option now is europe you chose not the euro but the common market as it was known in the 70s over Australia and Canada whom combined are bigger than russia (i even left new zealand out) you loked both nations out and ran for the gilded sheen of european market but never thought it would come back to bight you or that the worlds biggest ecconomies would asian.
MrFattyfatfatboy 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, What you fail to realise is that Europe regardless of its current economic problems is still and will remain for at least 30 years the biggest economic bloc on earth, even know China is Europes biggest trading partner an vice versa, Give me proof this hedge fund exists and yes thanks to us Brits, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the USA are all prosperous nations today, remember that! The British lion will always maintain connections with her cubs but we are still European.
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago
@TheCharlie359 the hedge funds are all called Aus super as in superanuation and because they have been mandatory in aus for 24 years have accumalated into the worlds 4th biggest pile of money ,what for you should be more amazing is the fact that norway with its half of the north sea oil has the 3rd biggest pile of liquid capital ,and rolls royce sold more cars in china than the rest of the world combined china is a bigger market than the whole of europe and england did desert us.
MrFattyfatfatboy 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, I would appreciate seeing this table of facts, it must exist unless your pulling facts out of thin air, China is the worlds 2nd biggest economy behind the USA and 3rd largest single market behind the EU and Nafta, however counted as one the EU is the worlds largest economy aswell as trading bloc, you can check these facts yourself, at either the CIA world factbook, Financial Times, IMF or World Bank websites. England is a part of the UK and the UK didnot desert anyone!
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago
@TheCharlie359 look the table of facts is of chinas over a billion people 300million have the same buying power as western europe chinas economy is still growing above 7% so there will soon be another 90 miilion with the same buying power or the equivalent of another Germany just springing out of the ground ,not only is europes economy shrinking, but because of its debts it needs to grow at a rate faster than china to just recover,then add indias 170million with the same .
MrFattyfatfatboy 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy And another thing before a pack of royalist Aussies jump down my throat ive not said anything bad about the queen or england in fact it would be great if the english were still running the world or at least the banks,the fact is in Austrlias time of need the english not only deserted us but tried to steal our troops for the defence of burma, we must learn to stand on our own two feet, the fast tracking of those english sailors is a mistake,we need to defend us
MrFattyfatfatboy 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Done some research, according to the IMF as of 2010, the UK was ranked in 21st place with $84.5 billion in international cash reserves, Australia meanwhile was ranked in 36th place with $41.7 billion, the UK also has over 320 tons of gold, Australia just 80, sorry to burst your bubble, seems your "superfund" isn't so super afterall.
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago
@TheCharlie359 you call that research, the Australian super is too big for listing under any other title, its a hedge fund idiot,Gold reserves ? we sell all that we dig out of the ground so im not sure why we even have 80 tons ,but we are the 6th biggest nation on earth thanks to you,and have more in the ground than youve got in the bank still to be dug up, the fact is we are not in debt ,along with canada we have endless recources that china wants you have europes common market.
MrFattyfatfatboy 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, You know its people like you i donnot understand, if it werent for Great Britain your nation simply wouldnt exist. In WW2 we were fighting for our very survival against not 1 but 3 major powers, it wasnt like Germany was going to invade Australia, fact is we simply didnt have the resources to fight everywhere at once, sacrifices had to be made, we did what we could, just be thankful the British colonised America or you'd be fucked too.
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago
@TheCharlie359 thats the point the Americans killed a heap of british soldiers and became a world super power, here in Aus i only need breath that elizabeth is an english queen with no ties to Aus and im set apon bye a bunch on ingnorant idiots who dont realize that england has only robbed us of soldiers while never defending in return, and the fast tracking of those english sailors to Aus navy has me up in arms at the same time people dont want american service people here.
MrFattyfatfatboy 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy Actually the Royal Navy fought Japan in the East, Germany in the North Atlantic and the Italian's in the Med. We had to split the Royal Navy into three seperate fighting forces to fight enemies which were almost as advanced as the RN- a feat that only the UK could pull off!!! USN focused on Asia we focused on the world!!!
God Save the Queen
God Bless America
Rule Britannia
MrXray2011 6 days ago
@TheCharlie359 we are independent but nz and aussie are still part of the commonwealth and we used to get alot of british ships down here (ark royal was the last i think british carrier down here i think) legislation banned all neuclear powered ships from nz even though the carriers were conventially powered some of thier support fleet were not. But in saying that the british for the last 20 years or so have only had 1 carrier in serivice at a time with the other in drydock.
pramboy09 2 weeks ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy sorry what are you talking about? the english carrier wasted buy the japs? i take it you are talking about ww 2? by the end of the war the british had illustrious class,Indomitable class and Colossus class operating in the pacific.
pramboy09 2 weeks ago
@pramboy09 they waited till the americans had sunk the jap fleet before going back two years after they were realy needed, and the british pacafic fleet was a disaster for the americans who had to keep diverting fleet trains and supplys and never knew how many ships or how long on station the english would stay,Admiral King actualy begged the president to keep them out as it was to late and to little to of any help.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Again England is not interchangable with the UK, stop referring to England, this nation is a part of a union with Scotland, Wales and N Ireland!!!!! The British Royal Navy was busy decimating the Nazi fleet, both the British and Americans agreed Germany first, then Japan and remember the USA is a pacific nation, the UK is on the other side of the planet, we had to use our limited resources to help defeat Germany and her allies, hardly an easy task, the UK fought hard in WW2!
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 All right the UK then ,wich is strange for us Australians as we call the whole place be it scotland ireland wales as england seeing how its so small you would think you could not tell where one starts and the other begins, but anyhow good luck and if your in the navy might see you in Aus as defence is fast tracking UK sailors into the RAN so they dont get laid off.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Small yes but we punch well above our weight!!! As for former RN sailors in the RAN, you should be grateful for them, dont make out its Aus doing the UK favour, its about getting what your goverment knows are the finest sailors on earth for its fleet thanks to Aus being a commonwealth country and cuts to our budgets which by the way are still 3 1/2 times as large as your own.
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 yeah ,but were not in debt and normaly would lynch any govt that spent more than 3% of GDP on defence wich is going up to 5% only because were replacing every thing from f-18s to blackhawks to ships .Plus were also fast tracking US service men as well so looks like were not that fussy either ,and were paying for some US bases to built here with US marines .
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, 5% GDP on defense, thats quite a lot, the UK was spending 5% at the end of the cold war, now its a mere 2.3%, the UK's armed forces are also undergoing huge replacement programmes, with carriers, ssn's, destroyers, f35's, amoured vehicles and lynx wildcat an chinook choppers all under construction plus a huge programme to replace our frigates and ssbn's due to begin soon but somehow the goverments making it work on such a limited budget, US bases are closing throughout Europe.
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 This is just the start as US navy has the army being built into a copy of a marine expidition force,why we had M1A tanks forced apon us and LAVs, were buying romeo seahawks also because of them ,and they want Australias next subs to be Virginias wich is why west Aus is all so keen for nuclear power as they want precedent in nuclear power as pretext for nuclear sub base, it gets better were also to be main depot for pacafic Marines ,not Hawai.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, It seems to me that you are deeply anti British, yet hugely pro American, why is that? The UK was your former boss and now the US is yet even though both our nations effectively told and tell Australia what it should do, you praise one while you slate the other, strange. Thats because the US is repositioning itself as a pacific power, Europes at peace and able to defend itself, hence the reason many US bases are closing or have been given a timetable for withdrawal.
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, I'm not sure if the Australian defence budget could support the construction and maintinace of Virginia class SSN's nor do i think the US would grant Australia access to such sophisticated technology, to date only the UK has nuclear cooperation with the USA in military applications and has done since 1958 and only because were equals in technical terms, not even Germany or Japan share that level of cooperation. Virginia's cost $2.5 billion per boat, out of Australia's leauge.
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 each collins came out at three times the original price,unlike you guys we have all the money in the world wich throw at expensive toys ,when we chose to build those spanish aegis ships here, we tripled the price just to build them in aus ,and if you take not the contract for futre subs has been changed subtley to follow what US navy wants , wich they have already brought to the table, 12 Virginias and Virginias are not seawolf they would sell em to Iran .
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Are you crackpot fuckin crazy? The Virginia class subs are cheaper to be sure, there are no enemies to warrant the huge cost of the Seawolfs but still they are easily as capable as their nearest peer (cost wise) the British Astutes and way ahead of the your Collins class SSK's. Your aegis ships are built with huge technical assistance both from the US and Spain and 12 Virginia's would cost over $30 billion, out of Australias leauge, your defense budgets just far to small!
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 Like i said before we will spend three to four times on a defence project to see offsets in knowhow and self sufficiency, and 30billion us is not that big a stretch over 18 years of programe time scale ,not to mention it would not cost that much in the first place and US navy wants the price through quantity on what is a improved boat on the class and wording on futre subs has been changed on them being made here wich was the first hint plus WA reactor push.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Lets get real, your not talking facts more make believe, Australia simply does NOT have the cash to spend, if it did it would, your to small a player to ever support 12 SSN's, the UK and France both spend 3 times more on their militaries and they can only afford 12 and 10 nuke subs respectivley and they have 50 years experience operating and maintaining them, Even if the US were to build and maintain them for you in the US, the infrastruture costs in AUS would choke the RAN.
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Australia does not have the cash or the political will to become a nuke sub operator. It would also require a change in US law to allow defence cooperation with Australia in nuclear tech, an area the US considers vital to its security, it has allies its far closer with than Aus it simply will not share that tech with and i very much doubt China would approve of Aus owning and the US giving nuke sub tech not to mention South Korea, Japan and Tiawan who have closer military ties
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 you know what im tired of telling you, look up wikipedia and the virginia class,take note it says Australia pushing for 12 ,canada for 8 the guy saying Aus should buy 12 is the same guy that dismissed euro fighter and said we dont need to contest the purchase as it is way better so for first time in defence history no contest was held,than the govt said 72,but he said no 100, and the govt said it will buy on after 72, ok
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Dont change the subject and wikipedia is the least reliable source of information on the net, it can be edited by anybody. Canada operates 4 SSK's Australia 6, it was recommended that Aus boost its numbers to 12 and this was confirmed in 2009 DWP, it states the submarines "will be of unique Australian design and will not be a variant of any existing foreign design" it says nuclear propulsion has been ruled out as too costly and that the subs are to be an advanced AIP design.
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 Ive already mentioned that they have changed the wording to that of one produced out side of Aus, to placate south Aus ship builders thier offering the universal ship that will replace ANZAC wich for now looks like joint UK, AUS deal as Canada has pulled out though we might do the same and follow for an american one,the guy who recomended the 12 virginias is the same guy who said buy F-35 and then told govt not hold competitive bids ,the govt did exact what he said.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Right firstly you keep changing the subject, to what ship are you know referring to that will be a joint UK/Australian project, the T26 frigate? As for the Virginia class, it was a simple recommendation made by a respected university proffessor, in it he suggested Australia "rent" 12 Virginias, that is not official Aus goverment policy, they intend to build an improved collins class with AIP, as for the F35 the UK is the only level 1 (we have the codes) partner in the project.
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 what ive changed nothing! he is the same proffesor who said that we should buy C-17 instead of 4 J hercs ,so we bought 4 C-17s, the airforce decided on another two but he is the guy the govt listens too ,he also said not to worry about a competition on F-35 and our govt chose it without competition.The US navy is draging us and canada by the looks of it into the Virginias,ive already said the wording on them being built and developed in aus has changed.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, I'm ending this debate, you clearly are simply motivated by national pride and not facts, the simple fact is this, Australia is a small pacific power who does NOT have the capablilty or funding to operate 12 Virginia class SSN's, the UK, (even though much diminished) is still a global power, with a defense budget 3 times the size of Australias and we only have 8 SSN's and all the nuclear infrastructure in place, the US will NOT share militarised nuclear tech with Aus FACT!
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 there was no debate i told you the facts and as i write this im downloading an fact sheet on forward deployment of US navy assets in the Indian and pacafic ocean wich brings up west Australia as a nuclear sub base ,both canad and australia will operate virginias and japan is being lead by the nose on deploying a CV, its the facts that both Canada and Australia unlike the UK have cashed up Govts without debt and will be forced to spend up on defence by US industry.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Dream on!! you know nothing about geo-politics or the military world, neither Canada or Australia have the resources they are simply not big enough players, the UK and the USA are both in debt yeah, so what, we also have economies strong enough to honour those debts, fact is this, we DO operate nuke subs, you DONT and NEVER will. Remember any sharing by the US regarding militarised nuke tech would require a change in US law. Australia has always been a FOB for UK/US nuke subs.
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 Look im not sure why you care or what makes you think that Australia and Canada cant seeing theyre both countrys have neither been hit by a recession or depression ,and its the US navy who is not so subtley pushing these units but the Virginia is now well in both nations budget ,what it is not is the man power, Australia wich now is not just fast tracking royal navy to its ranks but US servic men are now again thanks to US navy able to directly apply for the RAN.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 Dumm fuck, it now looks as singapore will be offered three Virginias to operated out of West Aus along with Australian models in what the US navy see's as NATO EQ organisation that will combine Rotnest base as that of first stop logistic 3 T.A.R.E base and you stupid idiot think im backing them,in treating Aus as another state in the union.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, YEAH YEAH! an then you ate your cornflakes kid!
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Thats the direction Australia is heading, not nuclear, thats for the big boys, Australia just does not have the infrastructure in place for nuclear subs and it would alter the balance of power in a way that China would not tolerate (without China Australia would have had NO economic boom) and i suspect India too would have cause for concern. Plus US pacific allies South Korea and Tiawan would be fuming as would to a lesser extent Japan on special treatment for Aus over them.
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy i don't know if you have ever lived in the uk, but if you call scot, irish, or welshman a pom or english they would smack your head in, they all have completly different histories, culture and language. I don't know if you are just winding this guy up, but some of the stuff you are saying about the brits is a bit uncalled for.
pramboy09 1 week ago
@pramboy09 what the facts about england needing 8 battle ships and 5 carriers to see off 1 german battleship and some cruisers while leaving Aus with nothing?.Thats the truth,and i dont hate england ive just pointed out that electric boat has eyes on Aus and Canadas navy as a source of easy money,i work for NOVA and were watching an 100 billion dollar programme get stolen in front of us,just like Lockheed watched Boeing replace J hercs already ordered by more C17s an apology you owe.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy, Listen the Pacific war didnt start until Dec 7th 1941, until that moment Australia was under NO direct threat from Japan, Great Britain meanwhile had been engulfed in the most destructive war in human history for over 2 years in Europe and was facing the greatest ever threat to its very existence, you tell the hundreds of thousands of Canadian troops, the thousands of British merchant sailors and hard workin Yanks that those warships were needed elsewhere little man!
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@TheCharlie359 agreed, at that time britain was being starved out by u-boats sinking merchant shipping and not to mention the threat of german battleships, battlecrusiers and pocket battleships. I have no problem my countrymen (NZ) was fighting in north africa and europe, if britain had fell we would have had a bigger problem with the japanese and german influence in the pacific.
pramboy09 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy mate, the british were pushed out of singpore and the rest of asia by the japanese,just where were they supposed to refuel and rearm on there way to australia?? secondly you still seem to forget the RN was pushed thin trying to keep themselves above water by having to fight in the med, artic, atlantic and north africa, the americans had a pacific fleet and their job was to try to push the japs out. The british only had a small amount of carriers in 42.
pramboy09 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy the hunt for the bismarck was in may 1941, there was no threat to australia and new zealand secondly there were not 5 carriers 8 battleships involved there were eventually 6 battleships and 2 carriers involved
pramboy09 1 week ago
@pramboy09 im talking 1942 you know when the english left Australias defence to the Americans.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
@pramboy09, Thanks for that comment, the UK is united but diverse!
TheCharlie359 1 week ago
@MrFattyfatfatboy it's not suprising the brits didn't have a huge influence in the pacific considering they were fighting the germans and italians, in the atlantic ocean,
Mediterranean and artic ocean. Of course the americans already had an pacific fleet and were in the process of building many essex class carriers so it's not suprising they were better set up for that sort of fighting. where did you read about admiral king?
pramboy09 1 week ago
@pramboy09 Admiral king who's own daughter said he was the most even tempered man in the navy as he was always in a rage,was actualy Australias true savior.While england just sailed away and was holding up the return of Australian troops and MacArthur was drawing up the brisbane line it was king who slammed the foppy britsh joint chief of staff on the side of the head and to qoute him"God dam it thier white and ill be dammed if one jap lives to see an Australia" he drew the line.
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 week ago
The USA and the USN in particular have been the most important factor in establishing and maintaining peace among the worlds "Great Powers" for over 65 years, this should not be forgotton by the peoples of jelous and ungrateful nations (including some so called allies) or the American people themselves, the old saying "with great power comes great responsibility" couldnt be more appropriate and these carriers are needed to ensure the USA remains ahead of her rivals, USA/UK allies alway!!!
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago in playlist Aeronaval ll
She is named after a great man.
WC3POchannel10A 2 weeks ago
Imagine these sailing along with the QE Class, Zumwalt Class, Type 26 and the Type 45!!! Noone could touch us.
God Save the Queen and God Bless America.
MrXray2011 1 month ago 5
@MrXray2011
Well said, I do hope that the U.K. and U.S. can work together at some point like that. That would be a beautiful sight.
JLXZ83 6 days ago
@JLXZ83 No one could beat us... It would be great!!! We do work together already I was just saying that seeing all of these new ships together would boost the 'Special Relationship' even further. I am proud to be British but I love the US and (most) of the people in the US!!!
Are you American?
MrXray2011 6 days ago
@MrXray2011
To answer your question, yes - I'm American - and proud to be (for most of the part). Just hate what our Government does sometimes to which makes me become ashamed that I am American. What do you think?
JLXZ83 6 days ago
@JLXZ83 I think that the US Government has made some terrible decisions, like the British Government no one's perfect. You should not be ashamed to be American- the USA has done bad things but so has the UK and yet I am still so very proud of our little island.
I also think that the UK/US bond will never weaken, even if the US does seek to gain more allies in the East- I don't think that the good people of the good old US of A would allow that to happen.
I simply cannot wait to visit!
MrXray2011 6 days ago
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JLXZ83 5 days ago
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@MrXray2011
You know, not everyone would agree with you, but I see to it that that is the best response. Thanks, I think your the nicest Brit I have ever talked to. I wish everyone had kindness in them. Oh and when you do visit... there may be several things that might discourage you, but trust me; there are a lot of people here that are kind and full of positive spirit!
Long Live U.K./U.S.! ^^
JLXZ83 5 days ago
@JLXZ83 That's very kind of you. Like most countries most of the people are very nice but the minority ruin it for the majority.
And yes long live the US/UK 'Special Relationship' and friendship between citizens!
MrXray2011 5 days ago
to be honest with the major money worries of the nation i can't see these carriers going much further thant he drawing board. can see the nimitz class around alot longer yet.
pramboy09 1 month ago
@pramboy09 They will build it because the status quo wants more wars because it rakes in the profits. Y do you think they wanna BOMB Iran? Who do you think profited from the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Not the Afghanistan, Iraq or America ppl; It was the corporations, the elites and the military industrial complex while the poor fight the wars and kill other humans in the name of Democracy, and preemptive attacks to achieve elections American style.
Tamayo1980 3 weeks ago
@pramboy09, The G.R.Ford herself is already way into her build, the hull is due to be launched in a 2014 followed a few years later with her commissioning.
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago in playlist Aeronaval ll
@TheCharlie359 find that amazing, can't see why you need these carriers, you already have the biggest most powerful carriers in the world why not just upgrade the nimitz classs and with the money saved more can be spent on aircraft development especially with the financial situation of the country and with obama now cost cutting the military.
pramboy09 2 weeks ago
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If it's new, more stable and cost efficient, why on earth would they name it after Gerald R. Ford.
Unless irony was the intention, if so then,..........., Bravo. :)
NeilCrouse 2 months ago
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NeilCrouse 2 months ago
Everyone else is hating on this awsome ship cuzz they ain't got or build one,SOUR GRAPES!
wildwildwest1414 2 months ago
one missile will destroy this ship
SirHungryHippo 2 months ago
@SirHungryHippo One anti missle,missle or missle defense system will smash that missile.
wildwildwest1414 2 months ago
@wildwildwest1414 bigger shield, bigger spear...the point is, dont trust your weapons too much
SirHungryHippo 2 months ago
@SirHungryHippo also dont overrate the oppossing sides capabilities and sell yourself short their bark is worse then their bite.
wildwildwest1414 2 months ago
us rules ;)
88ABRAMS88 2 months ago
cant jelp but think thats gonna be like a waste of 10 billion dollars
america has more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world combined
n1234ick 3 months ago
@n1234ick No the US today has about 6 active, the oft quoted 11 is out of date, and not taken into account huge pentagon defence cuts etc etc...
MrStig691 3 months ago
@MrStig691 is pentagon different to military becasue i heard obama has actually uped the military
and yeh 6 that not nearly enough
n1234ick 2 months ago
Is this monster as big as the nimitz class carrier?
wildwildwest1414 4 months ago
this is what our govt has been doing with taxpayer dollars.
wtong89 4 months ago
The US is going to cancel their SuperCarrier plan and stick with cheaper carriers for now due to the Chinese Killer Missles.
GameMaster2565 4 months ago
@GameMaster2565 If china builds missiles like it builds everything else U.S has nothing to worry about and anything they make U.S can nodoubt counter.
wildwildwest1414 4 months ago
@wildwildwest1414 US does not have a defense to that missle yet so thats why they cancelled the plan.
GameMaster2565 4 months ago
@GameMaster2565 That missile is only theoretical they dont have that kind of technology ,but ya they probably can build a mach 3 scud missile who cant?U.S does not reveal everything this carrier will go into service and be well protected.
wildwildwest1414 4 months ago
@wildwildwest1414 That missle is not a theory they already have it.
GameMaster2565 4 months ago
@GameMaster2565 Im up on that stuff it hasnt been confirmed by U.S intelligence theres nodoubt that they have a missile thats mach 3 but its not advanced enought to hit a moving target and thats a fact.
wildwildwest1414 4 months ago
@wildwildwest1414 So what. The US has SM-3 ABMs on AEGIS cruisers which can travel well over mach 7.
blablahism 3 months ago
@blablahism So who's arguing i'm on your side against all these U.S.A bashers and haters U.S weaponry is awsome.
wildwildwest1414 3 months ago
@wildwildwest1414 Not advanced enough to hit a target? LOL. What a kid.
GameMaster2565 3 months ago
@GameMaster2565 I didn't say that boy only that they do not have a missile that accurate,even U.S MX isnt that pin point it hasnt been confirmed by U.S intelligence our technology is more advanced then chinas they cant even build a decent fighter jet stop hating!
wildwildwest1414 3 months ago
@wildwildwest1414 am sure u r misinformed on this
The Truth About the Useless F-35 & F-22 usa australia reported after joint air combats to evaluate both planes against older sukois both chinese n Russian planes way ahead carriers sure the usa is way ahead
polygamous1 3 months ago
@polygamous1 Don't be deluded with that ozzy report mate. Ozz is getting the A model F35. The only two nations getting the real F35 (C model) is the USA and UK. Tier2 partners and below get the export variant (A model) which is nothing like what we are getting lolz:
watch?v=sbyebvc3LF4
The A model has short wings and it's this which gives it the lack in performance when it comes to agility. Also, the A model doesn't come with the C models software.
This is why they complain.
TheARMAProductions 3 months ago
@TheARMAProductions well i hope all u said its right n no one else gets it if its this good anyway they OWE it to us they used the RR Merlin engine on their Mustangs during WW2 n the RR jet engine on their first jet fighter the Saber n Vertical take of was in honesty perfected for the HARRIER everybody tried no one managed it am sure they had all the Harrier knowelage TO HELP THEM its what they owe us even the first Russia jet fighter had a RR engine Imagine no one else had the jet engine?
polygamous1 3 months ago
@polygamous1 Always will be ahead thats why you're so envious because you're country cant do anything and U.S jets in israeli air force always come out on top of russian jets in dog fights so now what?Look at the battle over the bekka valley israeli air force destroyed syrian air force it was a turkey shoot by older U.S f-16's what a debacle that was for soviet migs.
wildwildwest1414 3 months ago
Petr Ufimtsev the Creator & Father of Stealth Technology - Russian Stealth @wildwildwest1414
envious of what man?
polygamous1 3 months ago
@polygamous1 I dont know you tell me you're the one bashing on superior U.S weopons systems,I can rag on the junk you're country manages to produce 24/7 now what?
wildwildwest1414 3 months ago
@wildwildwest1414 am not i think u r letting your patriotism affect u r judgment
polygamous1 3 months ago
@wildwildwest1414 They can't even make a decent fighter jet? LOL how old r u? Watch the news? To name a few, China's J10 is a 4.5 generation fighter jet with extremly high manuverabilties. Better than the F-16. (thats why they made it. to go against the f16) China will have a 5th generation fighter soon. The prototype already has some advatages over the F-22 and it's so far F-22's only rival. China's military isn't what its like 60 years ago. Its the 3rd most powerful country today and going up!
GameMaster2565 3 months ago
@GameMaster2565 It's generic they have to try and copy russian aircraft they can't even build a car what a joke they can't make an aircraft carrier much less a accurate missle they're a paper tiger overpopulated fakes!
wildwildwest1414 3 months ago
@GameMaster2565 Taiwan wil paste them by the time their copy right pirating infringing asses are on par with U.S or europe hell will freeze over!
wildwildwest1414 3 months ago
@wildwildwest1414 LOL Taiwan is a weak country. Taiwan will never pass China cuz its following the US. The US will never let their allies be strong. Taiwan can't be strong no matter what cuz its a very small country.
GameMaster2565 3 months ago
@GameMaster2565 It doesn't matter taiwan is under U.S and Natos wing It wouldnt be in chinas best interest to attack it militarily and economically,why fuck everything all up when it's going so good unless,there are other warmonging motives which like through out history will fail and end up in desaster!
wildwildwest1414 2 months ago
@wildwildwest1414 i think his point is that taiwan isnt allowed to act too independantly, because america needs submissive allies in asia, so it can build military bases without too much trouble...
look at japan and south korea...their militaries fall under US control, and they both have tonnes of us bases on their soil
America purposely keeps these nations weak, so that they will continue to "need" US help in the future...much like a vassal state
SirHungryHippo 2 months ago
@SirHungryHippo I wouldnt call taiwan,so.korea or japan weak they can inflict severe damage on whoever attacks them.
wildwildwest1414 2 months ago
@wildwildwest1414 First of all, include commas and periods so its easier to read what ur writing. I don't hate this ship. I actually love it. But the fact that US is going to us it to bully others, that sucks. You do know that US is about to start WW3 right?
zszs100 1 month ago
@zszs100 It's only for national security against rogue aggressive regimes,U.S would never start WW3 but would finish it!
wildwildwest1414 1 month ago
@wildwildwest1414 Thats what they say man that's what they say. Anyone but a fool will know that US wants to dominate the world.
zszs100 1 month ago
@zszs100 In my opinion everybody wants to rule the world it's all the same.
wildwildwest1414 1 month ago
@wildwildwest1414 Yes thats a part of human nature but its not the right thing to do! Since the US is the strongest, thats what they want to do right now. Lucky theres Russia and China that will stop them from doing this! :D
zszs100 1 month ago
@zszs100 The U.S does not want to rule anybody it has no expansionist warlike ambitions it only seeks to peacefully coexist unlike the communist who wish to impose there will on others just look at iran it has vowde to destroy and disrupt the west.
wildwildwest1414 2 weeks ago
@wildwildwest1414 Ur paranoid/retarded.
zszs100 2 weeks ago
USS Hyman Rickover (Nuclear Navy)?
NatedogJr 5 months ago
last for 50 years - oh my, it seems the navy plans to never again lose a carrier in battle - that is they're gonna shy away from china and russia
vk45de 5 months ago
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here is the US national debt
bingofioul 5 months ago
Seeing the Gerald R Ford sailing with my countries future Queen Elizabeth supercarrier would be an awesome sight to behold.
TheArmchairSoldier 6 months ago 17
@TheArmchairSoldier long live the UK aand US
slacjack 5 months ago
@TheArmchairSoldier please keep some place on the picture for my 'little' CVN Charles De Gaulle ;o), i really thing that UK should have motorised it with nuclear power...
bingofioul 5 months ago
@TheArmchairSoldier yeah! its sooo great to see taxpayer dollars go into buying new carriers! yeah!
SirHungryHippo 4 months ago
@TheArmchairSoldier interesting carrier design the QE is, little bit small anymore to be called a super carrier, but it will still looks great, every navy has its own needs, dunno why the US needs 10 super carriers but we use them lol.
MrGeforcerFX 2 months ago
@MrGeforcerFX, I can understand your point but just because US carriers are getting bigger does not mean you can redefine what a "Supercarrier" is, the term was first coined for the USS-Forrestal and she weighed in at 60,000 tons standard displacement, the QE class is larger at 65,000 and at full load (with the 2010 alterations) will weigh in at 74,000 tons, this places her firmly in established supercarrier territory, maybe the G.R.Ford and her sisters should be called "Hypercarriers" lol!
TheCharlie359 2 weeks ago in playlist Aeronaval ll
@TheCharlie359 great POV on that, i love the super hyper car term usuage, the forrestal was a interesting design, i have been looking QE plans and they will be a great addition to the NATO fleet, where i think the only modern super carriers are the US ones.
MrGeforcerFX 2 weeks ago
How much do you guys think its going to cost to build just one
TheAlexryan2 6 months ago
@TheAlexryan2 combining the r&d or just per unit?
Tetsuigardm 6 months ago
@TheAlexryan2 few billion
greydotjaguar 6 months ago
it's the duty of every free human out there including americans to help China develop a carrier killer
nagamora 7 months ago
@nagamora and how do you justify this ludicrous rational you have acquired? Besides your treacherous anti-west statement is not needed, the chinese have anti-ship missiles.
ScoundrelzNTwK 7 months ago
The first one is to replace USS Enterprise (CVN-65) by 2015. The second one is USS John F. Kennedy (CVN-79) will repace the USS Nimitz by 2018.
Will have an advanced arresting gear, automation, Electromagnetic aircraft launching system (replacing steam catapult), a new nuclear reactor, new radar, stealth features, and to carry the F-35C Lightning II. Needs about 4,600 personnel vs the Nimitz's 5,600. Also may have rail guns for aircraft and missile defense. So yeah, very cool.
NatedogJr 7 months ago
@NatedogJr We should sell the CVN-65 to Taiwan when she retires from the USN.
Imat00l 7 months ago
@Imat00l It may enter the Ship/Submarine Recyling Program. I'd do the same thing, too. it would have been turned into a museum ship, but it won't be possible. Also, it has nuclear reactors. I think the nuclear reactors are "dying". USS Enterprise (CVN-65) should be deployed no more than two times until 2013. So we will have 10 CVN's until 2015 when USS Gerald R. Ford is launched and combat ready.
As for the Republic of China (Tawain)....I think it is best for them to handle their buisness.
NatedogJr 7 months ago
@NatedogJr How ironic that the US Navy's new class of supercarriers will be named after the late US President Gerald R. Ford (as well as the next carrier to join the fleet). I like President Ford & think America would have been better off had he won the '76 general election (though he lost by only a slim margin). Still, Ford was never elected President or VP (a first) & was in office less than 3 years. The navy could have named these carriers after Jimmy Carter (like Ford a naval man) but won't!
redletter2008 6 months ago
@redletter2008 "Jimma" has a submarine named after him as he was a submariner.
MrLudwigVonSchnauzer 5 months ago
@MrLudwigVonSchnauzer That is a big and appropriate honor for President Carter. Still, the carriers are the Navy's prize jewels, and their names have been reserved for only "select" Presidents (Republicans Reagan, GHW Bush, Ford, Eisenhower, T. Roosevelt & Lincoln; and Democrats Kennedy, Truman). No USS Nixon or Johnson or Clinton). We can also be assured there will NEVER be a carrier named USS Obama. That would be an overated, overpriced, dissapointing empty vessel that would disgrace the US.
redletter2008 5 months ago
@redletter2008 I'd name a carrier USS Thomas Jefferson
NatedogJr 5 months ago
@NatedogJr That's good. Or perhaps USS John Adams (the founder of the US Navy)?
redletter2008 5 months ago
7 people are terrorists
MrDev809 7 months ago
@00Xenoscar00 Time will tell :)
browneyes4 7 months ago
An easy target? I doubt any US commander would sail said investment with out a nice pleasant complement of anti air and anti sub warfare as well. It is well assured that any carrier class vessel of comparable size will have destroyers and attack subs in the water. You dont think things through very well do you? Im just glad you arent in charge.
Denchanter357 9 months ago
@Denchanter357 And, saturation attack could never deplete the complement of defensive weaponry... Oh no..... Never ever.. And submarines are acoustic beacons.... Yes...
mattmatt115 4 months ago
@mattmatt115 not many countries exist that have the funds and weaponry to openly oppose the worlds best navy right now. especially not with the ability to deplete the defensive complements weaponry. good luck with that.
Denchanter357 3 months ago
@Denchanter357 What countries would need that capability other than one which uses its military to dominate the people of other nations for economic purposes? Nobody is seeking war with the west. We simply impose war upon nations who do not toe our economic and financial line.
You know, those who choose to play their own game by their own rules, instead of playing our game by the rules we wrote....
And defensive weaponry is expended during defence actions, expend enough, and you run out.
mattmatt115 3 months ago
Those are NOT balaclava mask. Those are fire retardant protective clothing. They prevent burns in case of a fire flash. Jet fuel can be very volatile, especially on the black deck of a carrier in the Indian Ocean where it is well over 100 deg.
Hey Browneyes, why do you think this is an easy target? How many US carriers have even been hit by weapons since WWII? You are making a pretty foolish comment.
BuckeyeRobM 9 months ago 8
@BuckeyeRobM "How many US carriers have even been hit by weapons since WWII?" you have to admit that no one were involved in a high intensity conflict since WW2 on the other hand...there's more submarine capable of striking carrier and more anti ship missile in the world right now than during the past 50 years...(if you don't count those from USA and RUSSIA of course)
bingofioul 5 months ago
This is a easy target and a waste of money. We need to invest our limited resources more efficiently.
browneyes4 9 months ago
@browneyes4 sure after you take out dozens of fighters, helicopters, frigates, destroyers, cruisers, subs not to mention the carriers own anti ship missiles and any reinforcements that'll be called in after the long battle, next time think before you post.
jimmymohoney 8 months ago
@browneyes4 after you take out all of the aircraft, the fleet, anti-ship missiles mounted on the carrier itself, and any reinforcements, yeah sounds EASY... the tactic is 'protect the carrier(s)' think before you comment
00Xenoscar00 8 months ago
Bigger than G.W ?
TheStealingHP 9 months ago
Great to see a new class carrier. I hope many will follow to secure world peace.
USSGeraldRFord 10 months ago
why the fuck are those guys at 1:17 wearing masks? what are those masks called?
ayhans 10 months ago
I'm tired of all these carriers being named after banking puppet.
biped19 10 months ago
@biped19
Yeah, it should have been the USS America, but noooo!
xAceCIPHERx032x 10 months ago
The Brits will be the first nation to put electro magnetic catapults into service on the QE class carriers that are currently being built.
TheCharlie359 10 months ago
@TheCharlie359 Construction began on CVN-78 Gerald Ford in the spring of 2007,and is planned to finish in 2015.It is under construction at Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding in Newport News, Virginia.CVN-19 & CVN-20 has already been announced completion will be 2018 & 2021.The Queen Elizabeth class will finish in 2019 the second one might be scraped or used for reserve.I'm curious how the Royal Navy will be the first to use electronic catapults?Since the Gerald Ford will enter service first?
USAFL34 10 months ago
@USAFL34, 1st, what is with the confrontational attitude? 2nd, I know the construction dates for both QE and GRF classes thanks, i work for BAE surface ships responsible for QE construction (lower block 5 currently) and would like to correct you, QE herself will be launched in 2014 and enter RN service in 2016 as a helo platform only, PoW will complete in 2019 as a fully fledged CTOL carrier at which point QE will enter extended readiness until construction of the T26 frigate is well underway.
TheCharlie359 10 months ago
@USAFL34, At this point when the fortunes of the UK have improved its expected QE will enter her first maintence and overhaul period at which point she will be altered to CTOL configuration, G.R.Ford is currently behind schedule which as the 2 ships (QE + GRF) are honorary sisters we here in the UK find amusing as the 2 companies regulary compete with eachother in freindly competion, There are currently problems with the EMC system and due to this GRF is to complete with conventional steam cats,
TheCharlie359 10 months ago
@TheCharlie359 Is this more Royal Navy is better bullshit or was this an honest mistake?The Gerald Ford will be done 4 years before the Queen Elizabeth class is finished.It's possible the Queen Elizabeth class may be scraped.2019 is still a long time away for a country in a military budget crisis.The economys of Brazil,N-Korea,Russia,Italy and Mexico would have already passed the economy of the UK by 2019.Which will knock the UK off the top ten economys of the World list goodbye G8 summit.
USAFL34 10 months ago
@USAFL34, Therefore the 1st ship fitted with the EMC system (which is being built i might add with British involvement) will be PoW, which is projected to enter service before her US counterpart, I want to make clear im a huge fan of the USN and believe that American seapower is the key to global security, UK forces are designed to complement and enhance their American counterparts abilites, not to compete with them. As for your economic assesment of the UK, its seriously flawed.
TheCharlie359 10 months ago
@USAFL34, As for "Royal navy is better bullshit" comment, i never said it was nor do i believe it is, both navies, RN and USN are both highly skilled and capable organisations, equally competent, when it comes to abilitys however its clear who rules the roost, the USN's annual budget is around 3 times the size of the UK's total defense budget so you do the math.... Remember this though, the DoD values its UK allies more than anyother and thats fact!
TheCharlie359 10 months ago
@TheCharlie359 Well said, sir. Once the Queen Elizabeth Class takes to the sea, units of our two navies will be damn near interchangable. Of course, this is the goal we have been aiming for. There is no closer alliance between two nations in the history of the world. It is best demonstrated by our combined naval power.
USA1848 8 months ago
@USA1848, Very true and thanks.
TheCharlie359 8 months ago
Electromagnetic catapults , how is that?
mavewrick2007 11 months ago