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  • @Lass3DK Explain why?

  • The resolution is a bit low, but it shows two things:

    -magnificent graphics, especially for an iphone, at acceptable framerate

    -how much hardware resources are wasted on the pc.

  • this engine looks awesome on iOS...the game implemented using the engine..not so much -_-

  • If John Carmack tells me that rubbing cheese into my graphics card would make it run better, I'd do it...

  • ima li koga?

  • Why the fuck was Rage released for the iPhone, but not for the goddamn PC? Get off your fat asses, Gabe Newell, Bill Gates, John Carmack, and anyone else affiliated with this game!

  • @bigdaddydean1234 Bill Gates? Gabe Newell? Released?

    RAGE was not even released yet, and it will be on PC. Id Software always focused on PC. Do a little damn research before writting crap out.

  • @AdeonC U mad bro? Your voice on the internets say otherwise.

  • Yay, then my Desire hd can handle it even better :) Pretty sick that a iphone 4 can handle that kind of graphics.

  • Shut up its coming to android this year 2011.

  • The reason certain apps like these dont make it to android has nothing to do with the users nor the fact that iphone came before android. It has to do with only having to optimize for one single hardware. Where of with android, each company use their own specs for their phones.

  • THIS LOOKS AN PS3 THAT IPHONE IS A KILLER

  • RAGE? Rockstar Advanced Gaming Engine?

    

  • CRAP!

    ID Software going for mobiles? Come on..........

  • I don't know if it is because of the shitty resolution of this video, but....uh..... Epic Citadel looks better.

  • Carmak never ceases to impress. His ability to squeeze out every last bit of performance from the hardware is astounding.

  • The two anticipated games I'm gonna get are Project Sword (the game with the Unreal 3 Engine. Ex. Epic Citadel) and this one :D! They both look gorgeous!

  • @xSoLaRiZeD so u mean u gonna get Infinity Blade and Rage..also they have a trial of rage called Mutant Bash TV

  • wow for a ipfone not bad

  • @Raven1xm

    Just u say not bad???..U must have a samsung galaxy  s :)...Just kidding dude...

  • DAAAAMN ... i thought it was Rockstar Advanced Game Engine (gta iv) :/ fuck

  • no way of telling if its 60fps if the video is 25fps, but tbh to me that looks choppy and like 15fps

  • @Zazmiz why and how could they lie with out getting cought infront of 500 tech nerds?im sure what he says is true..lol

  • @xxsandrayxx why, by being Carmack. Whatever he says, must be true!

  • fast JC! fast!

    Epic Citadel is much more final product and have bugs!

  • Give any hardware to Carmack, and he will make impossible things with it.

  • for casual gamers maybe, but not for hardcore gamers.

    rather have a solid button and analog nub than helplessly swiping away at the screen with my big hands....

    plus Apple is kind of an ass lately, I don't like their attitude so I'm probably not gonna buy any of their products anymore

  • no wonder why this is gonna give Sony PSP, and Nintendo DS a run for their money, everyone already has an IPHONE!

  • I personally prefer buttons and triggers.

  • Do they actually think they can win gamers over with this? Maybe casual gamers but really, what does apple have to offer?

  • An iPhone can do this? Good bye PSP and DS.

  • @HateCoD Don't get your hopes up.

    Most iphone games tend to lack replayability. The games are just too damn short because they're downloadable, so they need to be fairly small for people to be okay with downloading them. They may have nice visuals (check out epic citadel) but they tend to lack in content and game length.

    PSP imo, is the best handheld out there still.

  • @pspvampire I don't have my hopes up lol I won't buy a phone for games, I buy a phone simply for calls, textes, etc. This does look impressive cos of the graphics, light and shadow effects, etc.

  • @pspvampire thats not true, while the majority of apps a very short there are still some proper retail length games like final fantasy 1 and 2, monkey island, and sonis1 and 2, gta china town , plus plenty of others

  • @HateCoD the iphone needs buttons to be more relevent.. maybe good bye psp but surly not ds..lmaooo..

  • Mr. Carmack = Real life Reed Richards

  • Please could you tell me where is this video taken from? It's got the banner at the bottom, "QuakeCon 2010, John Carmack", so I imagine this video is a snippet from another longer video? Would love to get / see the full video.

  • Artist71

    He doesnt give credit to the team, because he literally did everything you just saw. (himself)

    The man personally ported Doom to the iphone over the course of a few days just for shits and giggles.

  • @Azorino Im gonna repeat basically what I just posted on someone elses. I dont think he did the art and animation and camera work in that demo...did he?

    Dont get me wrong..Carmack is pretty amazing on all levels..just think he should have given credit to his art team.

    If he did ALL of the art then my foot belongs in my mouth. hahaha

  • He's kind of smart isn't he?

  • that guy says "I, me, and my" a lot. hmmmm

    thanks for giving credit to the id team ;)

  • @artist71

    I agree that credit should be given where credit is due however, the engine that Rage runs on (id Tech 5) was created by John Carmack. He's one of the best programmers OF ALL TIME. I mean, he basically created how 3d games are made... and continue to be made to this day. Also, he owns his owns and operates his own space program. The guy's a genius. Seriously, go look up some of his accomplishments of Wikipedia, then come tell me he doesn't deserve to say "I, me, and my" a lot.

  • @dEm0nBulldog Did he make the art and animation and everything in those? I dont think so. And lets not forget about Tim Sweeney;) A 3D engine that pushes MANY more games then the iD engine..also much easier to use for the artist. DONT get me wrong..Carmack is pretty bad ass..except Tim would have given credit to his art team:)

  • @artist71

    Well whose to say really? The animations present in this tech demo aren't anything special; just some guys waiving and what not. And all the other aspects of it like say the textures and such may have already been done. I'm sure that everything you're seeing him do was mostly done by himself. Maybe not every little single solitary detail, but I'd wager at least 95% of it was done by Carmack. I mean... he's even presenting it and clearly that's not really his thing. Agree to disagree.

  • @dEm0nBulldog

    Also if you listen at the very end he does say that what you're seeing is HIS technical demo; and that he will be handing off the tech "to other people who do all the real hard work of turning it into a full fledged game *nerdy chuckle*". SO there you have it, that's appropriating credit, is it not?

  • Looks like apple has (MABYE) finally found a secret weapon. His name: John Carmac. Btw I own a psp and a ds, and I can tell developers are getting (a bit) more serious about the iPhone. Also I'm kinda disappointed in Sony for attacking apple in that commercial, because in my opinion Nintendo and Sony have nothing to (currently) fear. You knew better than that, Sony.

  • I was serious, Iwasn't joking, the only reason to dislike this is fanboyism, even if you never play it, it's interesting to see new boundries being pushed , so it's just plain old fashioned envy.

  • If its possible to run Rage on Iphone 4, than its possible to travel through time on

    a 5 year old Nokia

  • Carmack talked about nothing but consoles at quakecon 2010

    Say goodbye to your fanbase id, oh wait, your fanbase moved to Valve years ago

  • Jesus Christ John Carmack is a fucking wizard

  • Great work as usual from this genius, but a shame he's supporting a company as evil, dictating and controlling as apple.

    Should be doing this for Android phones and tablets, or the upcoming Windows Phone 7 OS.

  • @YouAreThick im sorry but android will only get apple best games months after they come out. i have a ipod touch 4 and a droidx so i should know;..btw most gamming companies will stick to apple because thats were the monies at.the dev of CUT THE ROPE sold 1 million copies in a week.

  • @xxsandrayxx that will change soon... Android is gaining market share faster than any other phone OS and eating away at Apples. In a few short months time it will be ahead of Apples iOS. The only reason games like this are for the iWhatever first is because dev's decided to make them before Android was even out or before it was on so many phones.

  • @YouAreThick The reason games like these are for the iDevices is because despite it's spread, Android users don't seem to care enough about their devices to spend money on their markets (not to mention they are stuck to very few countries while iOS app store is on every country you would care to market your games.) Add to that fewer hardware configurations making it easy to develop games for.

    If you want developers to make worthwhile games for the Android, spend money on the market.

  • @Tharsman I think the problem is to do with Google and Androids later arrival rather than Android users. Like you say the app market isn't available in many countries, and the platform on a whole is still developing. But in time i imagine it will be more profitable simply because the rate at which Android is increasing, and because it also now supports Flash and Air. Developing a Flash/Air game is far easier for devs like myself as it will instantly run on any OS or platform that supports Flash.

  • @xxsandrayxx iPhone has been out in the market for a longer time than android so game devs naturally gravitate to iPhone

  • Hahaha John Carmack is sooo awesome. Such a genius.

  • 29 people watching this video own a psp/ds/droid

  • @MrFooknuts That's retarded. I own a PSP but how am I supposed to be angry I can't run RAGE on it? That's what my PS3 is for. I'd get it on PC but don't feel like upgrading my GPU AGAIN right now. Also, that whole "xx missed the like button" fad is fucking old and tired already.

  • @MrFooknuts i own a psp and an iphone

  • hard to tell on youtube but it doesn't look like a constant 60fps at all.

  • @DjDedan

    See the video response video with real-time gameplay.

    w w w . y o u t u b e . c o m /watch?v=_t5nIA5zfhg

  • 178,900 People missed the like button.

  • u call this 60 fps?

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  • umm how is left 4 dead 2 non linear its go one safehouse to the next. If thats nonlinear (which its not) wouldnt the 1st game be too

  • lol nerds, "frames whoooah"

  • OMFG!

  • Now atleast people understand why i'm fan of only person in the world which is John Carmack!

  • CLICKING MY NAME!!!?

  • Is it me or carmack is now speaking and selling his product like steeve jobs ? I mean, there's no way in hell this will run at 60fps with sfx, scripts and everything added to make a playable fps (that or if you like running in empty buildings).

    There's no frame meter, and no scene with depth of view whatsoever.... Is this supposed to be an indoor only game ?

  • @lestatrequiem2006

    Effects, scripts, and being playable is only as demanding as you make it. Sure it might have the gameplay of a typical iphone shooter, or maybe even worse, but it's a tech demo of the graphics they can push on such a small system, not a gameplay trailer.

  • Watch HD version! Link in discription !

  • looks laggy as hell probly 20fps max there

  • @alucardvv The video you are watching is 20 fps you idiot

  • Can't wait for the Android port :D

  • @HybridFridge implying android has better hardware

    although apple has shit hardware

  • @HybridFridge there isnt going to be lol just like how there isnt dome for android

  • perdonemme pero el primer xbox se ve muxo mejor q eso y es muxisimo mas potente q el iphone 4 quiza este mas o menos al nivel d ps2 eso q se ve del rage

  • @pacoht01 no -_-

  • The motion of that video didn't look like any 60fps to me, looked more like 5 fps with lots of pauses.

  • This is just great. Instead of optimizing the shit out of pc games to make them ubermega realistic and visually mind blowing thanks to their absurd calculating power, they release games that can run even on a fucking iphone, with a graphic engine that is little or no different than ue3 as far a (s)qual(or)ity is concerned, with 8hrs worth of single player, for 60 bucks a copy. Thank you brainless console users.

  • this show that the computer have a lot a of performance....but there are no optimization. I mean...you could play this game on a pentium 3 with 512 mbs ram...but look crysis...you need a super computer to play well...

  • @jonidimo

    No you don't.

  • @jonidimo yup that's true... when i just saw that new crysis 2 video, i was thinking to myself that even though it has some amazing stuff, the texture work just isn't where a lot of other games are. if i look at any given current console shooter like killzone 2, gears of war 2 or whatever - they might not push the same amount of polys or particles but the texture work often fools one into thinking they do. also found that incredible about resident evil 4 back then...

  • @jonidimo Aou right man..cry engine is not that much good..hope cry engine 3 runs faster

  • @jonidimo You clearly lack the technical knowledge to state such an affirmation. What are you? A pretentious first year IT student?

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  • @HolyAvgr tell the true. You need a pentium 4 2.4 ghz 1 gb of Ram Geforce 5200 minimiun to play a game like this (from the iPhone version)...and you could play well only in 640x480. The iPhone is just 1 ghz cpu and 512 mbs of ram....that tell everthing.

  • @jonidimo The iPhone has an ARM processor, smartpants. Hardware performance is not only measured in how many Ghz you have, but also on what you can do in each clock. Consoles, by comparision, also have way lower "standards", because (among other factors) the 360, PS3 and, oh wow, CELLPHONES have RISC processors. It's not just about numbers, but about numbers in a certain context. And that's not all, but youtube has limited space for comments. You are being an illiterate, pretentious kid.

  • @HolyAvgr i'm not talking about play crysis on a 386....I think you didn't understand my comment

  • @jonidimo They want to sell newst hardware, that's why they do not want to optimize.

  • I LIKE HOW THE TWO HIGHEST RATED COMMENTS HERE CONTRADICT EACH OTHER.

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  • @rolln2013

    NO THEY DON'T

  • I would like to compare metro 2033 to far cry 2 or crysis for example. The last two are very poorly optimized and I run them with 20-50fps on medium, but metro 2033 runs with 20-50 fps on maximum and it has 80% better graphics on maximum than crysis or farcry2 on medium. And metro 2033 has 50% better graphics on medium than crysis and farcry2 on maximum, yet it runs with 60+fps constantly.Game developers don't optimize games,because they get a bonus paycheck for making us buy newer stronger,pc's

  • @jonidimo This was developed for one or 2 hardware configurations. PC games have to run on an incredible number of configs, with different drivers, software installed and running, etc.

  • @jonidimo You are a total goon and you fail to understand the difference between the PC and console games industry.

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  • @jonidimo That made absolutely no sense, stop being so illiterate

  • Poor Haters, But we need those haters lol. Poor Andoid or windows mobile users. No Rage, No Great App store, No Itunes so so sad lol. I can get full albums and single Tracks also I can buy many many Movies or TV series like Jersey Shore for $1.99. Between, Apple Store App, iTune App, and App Store I just loving all the choices and variety I get. But I also like the Samsung Vibrant is not a big brick. it can actually fit in my pockets very nicely. Bigger is not always better lol.

  • @TrueIori i like the layout of the iphone better, its a lot more organized.

  • This is pretty cool. Now, I wish they'd port Halo:CE on it. Since iPhone 4 is supposedly leagues ahead of Xbox 1 or PS2, it should run just fine :P

  • I wonder how big the size of this game will be on iphone?!?

    So people have to buy and download a 2gb~4gb game from the app store?!?! lol

  • Now that you seen how great it looks. I hope you are all ready to play it with your thumbs covering 50% of the screen when it launches. :)

  • @TrueLori nocturnal ejaculation ??

  • Looks more like 10fps, but i guess that's the fault of the video quality.

  • @panamcspana No, I think the 60fps claim is BS because I doubt even my 5870 will get 60fps so there is no way an iPhone can do 60fps with a game like RAGE.

  • Jealous Android users. 

  • Crap, Android can play PS2 games.

  • @Odenkay android CANNOT PLAY PS2 GAMES.even pcs/macs have problems tring to emulate ps2 games.the only emulators posible to play at full is up to the ds.so

    snes,nes,genisis,gba,gb,gba,ds­,psp,psx,and others like atari ect work, i even have a dc emulator on my laptop..pretty cool

  • I wil buy it for sure. Well done ID!

  • Cuz ur A DUMASS!!!!!

  • You have got to be fucking kidding me! They are running that shit on an Iphone? I had to overclock the shit out of my CPU and Install a better heatsink just to run crysis on my rig. I can believe this shit. Seems like the only thing keeping PC gaming alive is the ability to in game mods. after seeing this it makes me think that gaming will only be on console in the future.

  • @THESK1TZ idiot liveON is the future the future is display only no gay harware

  • @THESK1TZ I doubt that, there are still more PC games released each year than console games.

  • @THESK1TZ I have two words for you.

    Combat Arms.

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  • PPL!!! I POD TOUCH 4G it's COMMMINg!!!!!! With FRONT and BACK facing CAmERAS!!!!!!

  • @Davchamp y am i not excited...?

  • 60fps?

    That must mean I have $60 in my wallet rather than the $10 I thought I had.

  • Where in fucking fuck is my Doom 4. >:(

    Someone cancer punch this, iPhone (anything from Apple really) ain't got game.

  • This guy sucks

  • Try 10fps..

  • Uhh... I'm confused...

    Is "rage" a game or is it something you use to play fallout 3 on?

  • @kimhalim Fallout 3 is Non-linear. And Rage looks is on the tech 5 engine.

  • @LordfishKeke

    Fallout 3

    Non-linear

    Pick one

  • @Gongomm Fallout 3 is about as non-linear as you can get.

    Name 20 games less linear than fallout 3.

    I'm guessing you're /v/. I've seen people repeat that shit so many times, and make stupid comments like yours. It's fucking embarrassing.

    Be ashamed of yourself.

  • @LordfishKeke Shitty troll is shitty. Fallout 3 is a pile of garbage and it is a fucking linear game.

    Hurrrr I'm guessing you're some underage shithead who has bad taste.

  • @NiGHTSChao689 NAME 20 NON-LINEAR GAMES.

  • @LordfishKeke Okay 1) Fallout 1 2) Fallout 2 3) Left 4 Dead 2 4) The Elder Scrolls Series 5) Brainlord 6) Startopia 7) No One Lives Forever (1 and 2, if you're going to be picky) 8) TRON 2.0 9) Silent Hill (take your pick) 10) Minecraft 11) Spelunky 12) Machinarium 13) Black and White (1 and 2) 14) Giants: Citizen Kabuto 15) Garry's Mod 16) Braid 17) Beat Hazard 18) Everyday Shooter 19) Psychonauts 20) The Witcher I would continue, but I'm sure you will try to nit-pick all those.
  • @NiGHTSChao689 Yeah, you're fucking stupid.

  • @LordfishKeke So in otherwords you give up <3

  • @NiGHTSChao689 No, I just can't reason with you because your an idiot.

  • @NiGHTSChao689  Oopsie, :3 I meant you're an idiot.

  • @LordfishKeke Considering the fact that you fail at making a counter-argument to both myself and Gongomm, I'd have to say you are the raging idiot here buddy.

  • @NiGHTSChao689 Explain how I've failed, and explain how I'm ragin', ya cocksucker.

  • @LordfishKeke Well your word-usage sure gives hint to your anger.

    Calling me a cocksucker when I did what you asked and provided you a list of games which could be considered non-linear. I am a very hardcore oldschool Fallout fan. You will not convince me that Fallout 3 is a good game, let alone a good Fallout game.

    It is a pile of trash, an insult to the Fallout legacy and I hope Bethesda eventually goes to hell for developing such a piece of shit.

  • @NiGHTSChao689  Wow, a fanboy. Fallout 3 was decent. You know it was. Grow up please.

  • @LordfishKeke Sadly no. I would not even grace it with such a word. It is a consolefied piece of shit with a horrible story, bad character development, broken and clunky gameplay and overall horrible from a design standpoint.

  • @NiGHTSChao689 I still found it enjoyable, even with all the flaws. It's better than most shit on the market.

  • @LordfishKeke I disagree.

  • @NiGHTSChao689 A mass effect fanfaggot, oh god. Conversation ends now, back to your dating sim, bosh'thet.

  • @LordfishKeke ....what...

    I like MassEffect.. I wouldn't consider it to be some god-like game that I would be a fanboy over.. Considering you avoided the "argument" and went on to spill insults over something so stupid, I once again have to consider you to be either a very bad troll or a raging idiot.

  • @NiGHTSChao689 There is nothing to argue. It's why I stopped. You just claimed something that isn't true, and spilled hate onto a game, like a dickhead. I only paid in kind. I'm neither a bad troll nor a 'raging idiot' as you put it. I'm not gonna dispute opinions. I will dispute fact. And why should I argue anyway? You're obviously too in love with your own opinions to take it to heart.

    You're acting like a fucking kid.

    Grow the fuck up, and stop this idiocy. I grow weary of this shit.

  • @LordfishKeke Once again you toot your horn as if you are somehow "above" me. If anything what you just said can easily be applied to yourself and thus your state on the issue is invalid. I complied with what you asked, you deny that and go on spouting personal insults directed at me, simply because I had an opinion. You are the child here, and I am not the only one to agree with that.

  • @NiGHTSChao689 'I HAVE MARGINAL OPINION, I MUST BE RIGHT, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO-ONES OPINION AT HAND, AND THIS GUY THINKS HE'S RIGHT, I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO KEEP GOING AT THIS UNTIL HE ADMITS HE'S WRONG AND I'M RIGHT. HE'S A HYPOCRITE, DURR. THAT MEANS I SHOULDN'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING HE SAYS.'

    There is no argument. You cannot win this, boy. It's the INTERNET.

    You're still being childish, the only way you can prove you're mature is walking away.

    JUST WALK AWAY.

    FOR FUCKS SAKE.

    Grow up.

  • @LordfishKeke You're the one who keeps the "argument" going, not me. If anything you should be trying to defend your position, yet all you do is throw insults back.

  • @NiGHTSChao689 'BLAME HIM, IGNORE TEXT'

    Walk away.

  • @LordfishKeke Walk away from what? You not being able to backup your own opinion and claims?

  • @NiGHTSChao689 Where is the backup to your claims you hypocrite?

    Just fuck off. You're being an ass.

  • @LordfishKeke You asked me to provide a list of games, and I did. Yet you ignored them and continued your little "hurr lets throw out random insults and bullshit" tirade.

  • @NiGHTSChao689 Left 4 dead 2, get from point a to point b, without dying. Linear as fuck. Are you trolling or are you actually stupid?

  • @LordfishKeke Actually no, the system in the game was designed for multiple branching paths which can change depending on the current situation (e.g. team experience, health, etc).

    Like I said before, it was obvious you would try to nitpick every single game I put in the list, but thats okay, since you're still some raging child who likes to throw around insults without actually being mature about "beating" me at this "argument".

  • @NiGHTSChao689 ... So.... You don't get from a point A to a point B? That isn't the objective of the game? Oh my. You are actually stupid. Please.Take that to heart. I'm ending this conversation.

    You're not worth my time, not even to troll.

    Laters.

  • @LordfishKeke Thats funny.. couldn't everything be described as "point A to point B". You're oversimplifying the issue.

    Thats fine though~ Have fun in your own little bubble of stupidity <3

  • @NiGHTSChao689 It's not oversimplifying, bro. It's exactly what it is, a linear game.

    You obviously know nothing about games, because you would be in some way aware what linear actually means. Even though I was nice enough to give a definition, you're still clueless.

    My favourite colour is purple.

    And my favourite game is Deus Ex.

    State yours, if you want a reply from me.

    Make sure fear doesn't overwhelm you.

  • @LordfishKeke and yet still you persist in this bullshit notion that you are somehow "higher" than me. You let your ego get into the argument and you form a defense around that. Again, you are not combating my opinion with fact, you are merely insulting my position with your own crap.

    Linear is a very relative and subjective term. I could describe Fallout 1 as a linear game if I was some perfectionist who has done everything there is to do. You could describe life as linear, and so on.

  • @NiGHTSChao689 I never said I was higher than you, I have never stated it nor implied anything of the sort. You're an idiot, I've stated that, frequently and numerously.

    Linearity is the idea of choice, learn it.

    If a game gives you any sort of choice with actual consequences, then it is non-linear.

    Please, your stupidity and hardheadedness is depressing me.

    I don't want to continue this, but if you do... I'm not backing down.

    Proceed. And can you make an actual argument this time?

  • @LordfishKeke x'D You obviously do not understand tone. Your tone throughout this entire ordeal has been nothing but "hurrr ur a faget". Even as you say things like "LEARN IT", you are clearly implying I am not of the same intelligence as you and thus you continue this pointless argument, and on top of it you make yourself look like an asshole and an idiot.

    As for linearity being the concept of choice, you have it wrong. If a game is linear, then there are no choices. It would be a clear line.

  • @NiGHTSChao689 ...I ALREADY SAID THAT.

    I'm justified in my insults.

    Where have I stumbled?

  • @LordfishKeke As for "if a game gives you any sort of choice with actual consequences, then it is non-linear."; this can be easily argued. If you compare the "consequences" between Fallout 1 and Fallout 3, you would see that Fallout 1 is less 'linear' than Fallout 3.

    Reason being, because the game is more dynamic in terms of choice, where-as Fallout 3 is a consolefied-pile of shit in which everything is still static. The game is only non-linear to non-perfectionist people.