Jesus: Man, Myth or Messiah? Part 2 of Jacoby's Opening Statements

[mexwonderful]

Price can post his own side if he wants.

[mexwonderful]

Douglas Jacoby is right in not posting Price's argument. It comes down to a legal matter. Since Douglas posted this video himself, he can only legally post segments of his own input to the debate as he does not own rights to Price's commentary. Doug is an intelligent man and was smart in doing this. I've seen and heard many of these debates and It is doubtful that he would not have posted the opposing argument if he had rights to do so.

[philosofrenzy]

@mexwonderful Nonsense. It's a public debate. Go ahead and search Youtube for other ones. Both sides are almost always posted. The only exception would be if someone explicitly required his side of the debate not be published. It's plain bad form to only publish your side of an argument otherwise.

[reanimeviewed]

Seriously weak to not post the entire debate. Not even providing a link to the full debate if one exist. Price would easily destroy most if not all of the arguments put forth.

[SHIBBYiPANDA]

where's the rest?

[byra8]

I wasted 8 minutes of my life

[sgruttendio]

Yes, Robert Price was too big a threat to face. He would have exposed all the absurdities this guy so boldly proclaims. Better not to publish him.

[Politicimo]

I refuse to watch this until Robert Price's side is posted. PATHETIC behaviour.

[pirbird14]

@Politicimo I watched it to see how much I could refute myself. His claim that Jesus was "well adjusted" falls flat when you examine how he rejected his family on several occasions (Luke 2:42-50, Mtt. 10:34-37). This would raise any number of red flags with modern psychiatrists. It also fits with schizotypal personality disorder, which is a disorder frequently found in cult leaders. Do a search on "benign schizotypy" and "cult".

[xNoReligionx]

What a disgusting sham! This guy just posts his side of the argument and ignores the response. Typical of Christians everywhere, who say what they believe and then stick their fingers in their ears when you take the trouble to point out the errors in their beliefs.

[aaronebauer]

Post Dr. Price's response and the full debate... douche-bag

[TheLaunchingPad]

The other side of the debate is that there are no records of Jesus. Why would you write about a man who by mere association would get you killed? This, along with the persecution, fires and pillaging. The fact that they recovered the epistles (letters) is a miracle. So they made him up, but left in all the anti-establishment doctrines [Eph 6:12] what a fucking lie. This BS about Jesus being a myth is a recent concept and holds no weight after deeper review of the facts. Jesus lived and was real.

[TheLaunchingPad]

Atheism is a religion of Fascism, like Hitler, who wanted to see God so he shed blood in a mass ritual of satanic rite. Whether God, or Devil, or Alien, or Mighty Wind, he would make the challenge. If you don't understand war, blood and sacrifice you understand nothing and are like a lamb. Jesus made a sacrifice and was spared to show his followers that he was master of the craft of Sacrifice, Doorways, and Power. All real masters acknowledge the Christos even Satanists, this is why they rule.

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad No its not atheism is lack of belief in god or gods thats it nothing more, Atheists can be open to anything they just reject super beings its very simple very simple view and Hitler was a theist not atheist do some history not that it matters god or no god you can still be evil that is a bad argument to use.

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -Hitler was a theist? - using this argument is asinine. You don't even know what an Atheist believes because any definition is only the definition of the individual. It's only YOUR belief that Atheists don't believe in any God. IF YOU DID KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ALL AGREED TO BELIEVED THEN IT WOULD BE A THEISTIC GROUPING WITH RELIGIOUS OVERTONES OF CREEDS AND DOGMAS, THUS YOU WOULD BE A THEIST. But what you don't realize is that a religion only requires a universal belief system.

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad Thats just not true i don't know how you came up with that definition of religion but any case atheists don't label them selfs thats what theists call them and atheists don't gang together based on there views. So what if people don't like your views you have to accept that your bible couldn't pass the test with them you don't commit ad hominem attacks on peoples character because they couldn't force themselfs to believe in a god thats just being a fascist right there bro!

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -Read again pownstar. I just proved through pure kindergarten logic that you are not an authority on Atheists because being an Atheist is an independent choice, just like being a Christian. All is religious by definition because you have a belief system based on denying that anything exists that is smarter or more adept than yourself or the smartest man on Earth. And I believe that we are surrounded by advanced levels of intelligence, even visible to your naked eyes. Atheism is blind

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -Furthermore, Atheism is almost always a result of misunderstanding religion or being abused or rebelling against a belief system. This is not deductive or reasoning but denial in it's purest form. Denial doesn't make it go away, you will still be faced with the most religious moment in your life... your death. Hate to be morbid but it's true. The best Christians were once Atheists! They cut through the BS and took a look into things with study and discernment and viola, one of us!

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad Never said i was authorty disrespectful idiot did I smart guy, Look get over self your not that special bro infact your arguments are very dull and boring. Denial? get out of here buddy...! Who the F are you to judge others on what they think or not believe?

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -What a joker. You shot at me first, and prematurely at that. It's funny how you "so-called" Atheists choke up when you face an intelligent being -which you claim doesn't even exist. lol, I am right here. I was here before you and I will be here long after because you are my prey, much slower and narrow-sighted. You gang up like little bitches on weak Christians but when someone more powerful calls you out on your misinformation you act like punks. Believe whatever keeps you stupid!

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad You can assume anything you wish but it don't make it true dude thats pretty much all you got and really not worthy of my time! lol Islam will take over anyways christians are just the walking dead they just can't see it yet! Nice try though you did your best but failed like everyone else does....Come back anytime i love hearing the same arguments over and over again from christians like you.

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -Nobody cares, you didn't even put up a good fight, an embarrassment to Atheists everywhere. Islam is losing their "Jesus never claimed to be God" and "wasn't crucified" claims to all of our apologetics. They use lies to support their system of beliefs pulling out the verses that back them and memorizing the words to look smarter. Use the bible to make these claims and you will get pownd by the same document.

Just stop acting like you know something, when you don't know Jack shit.

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad Blah Blah, I once thought as you livin the heavan and hell fantasy then i woke up and now i will never go back so get over it the dream is dead! Lol try again dumbass you still can't think logically you need the bible to explain everything even when you think....Lol this is fun dude lets hear some more Bs out of you.

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad For a christian you sure have a big double standard that looks very bad on the rest maybe you shouldn't call yourself one?

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -Wah wah. I know there is a heaven and a Hell because there is free will. This means greedy fuckers like you will buy up heaven and kick the open minded rebels out into earthly hell. And then angels will kill all of you and put you in hell like you did us. We already won this debate when Jesus rose from death! That's all we ever needed to see. Stupidity rules the world of so-called free thinkers. Demons and angels are again ignored and sin runs rampant. So you win for now, yeehaw!

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad The bible is full of error no disrespect here but you need to prove its true before you start threating people with hell its not about whos better atheist or christian i could care less i have no time for labels i only care about whats true and whats not. You have to understand the bible can't be logically believed in you don't have all the data to know what really happened in the past so its not even about god its really that is god a christian or something else to me anyways!

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -I too only care about the truth. I know that believing a 2000 year old story is a stretch. And Hell is actually destroyed in Revelation and never returns, which a lot of Christians doubt is real too. The power of Christ is only obtained by people with the same idea as you... I got to see to believe. This is not an unacceptable offer to God because he's asking for the crazy story to be taken seriously, correct? The apostles couldn't sell Jesus so they sold truth, as Jesus wanted.

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad Well heres the problem ive read the bible and went to church but i never obtained that feeling your discribing but to be honest i don't believe people that claim that if you really believed in it truly there wouldn't be priests raping little boys and chrisitans sinning as much as they do. Sure the bible says we are all sinners but whats the point of repenting if people aren't going to stop sinning? So i think theists just use it for power and control over others.

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -Me too, I never believed in God or Jesus as a boy, I was just "told" to believe. My Grandmother made me memorize the bible verses and to their disadvantage because I outsmarted every x-tian I came across. I was visited by actual entities that pinned me down on my bed and I was wide awake but saw nothing. So Atheism was my escape from the strangeness and forget what really occurred. So I did the unthinkable, I challenged God and religion. But the story continued...

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -and I remembered a story about two stones called the Urim and the Thummim. This was a big thing with mormons which I was at age 10 (no bicycles thank God). After studying these stones, I found out that they glowed, and then I remembered Moses face "shown". This made me search more as it was way more interesting than hymns and preaching the same old shit. Then came a story about the two witnesses in Revelation which decoded the bible and i became aware of the BS within religion....

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -Long story short, I found that my belief in Jesus was a lot different from everyone I knew and I was unable to return. I swore my self to be an Atheist and told God to fuck himself and he murdered his son for nothing because nobody cares. And that's when I got his attention because he rose to the challenge and I would say one thing and he would bring to mind a verse that backed him up. I remembered all kinds of verses. I was also hungry. And saw a real light manifest and much more..

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad Well ok then theres no argument for self testimony thats your mind i can't read it or prove that there is no Jesus there so i will give up on this one!

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -It isn't about proving Jesus, it's about the need to dis/prove him. See what you don't know you fight to disprove, that's how I came to believe, because the need to disprove was as bad as the Christian's need to prove him, but HE HIMSELF SET IT UP TO NOT BE BELIEVED BY EVERYONE. The question is WHY? I have the answer, but it sounds crazy, in his own words.."For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind." It's the plan.

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -I thought it was a trap or mental trick and denounced it and was again doubtful. But the learning continued without reading the book. I realized that a Satanic ritual was performed on the book and the church through the bloodshed of the Crusades. That is why NO one can find truth in Church alone. The book is surrounded by bad interpretation and also tied to personal belief systems. It's not infallible, and judges the churches first and foremost. Jesus didn't use a book to sell shit.

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad You need to really look into this with a open mind whats the differents between you and a muslim and mormon? you all claim to have the same connection with your god through your doctrine but you can't all be right so whos right? self testimonies don't provide evidence because we can't tell the difference between all those belief systems.

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -I can prove the right one, to some degree thru elimination. Mormons made up their book and the level of errors and revisions are an obvious coverup. The history we have of there prophet is a story of ripping people off and he was assasinated by Masons. So Mormonism is Masonic-Christianity. The Muslims book cam long after the Jesus books and read exactly like the Torah, that's called forgery. Same with Mormons, they forged the bible and even copied exact verses...etc...

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -For the record, I was only slamming you cuz I thought you were Christian bashing. My mom sees ghosts and I don't treat her like she's crazy because, like you said "we cannot read minds". But we can catch ghosts on infrared cameras:) See to me Atheists just throw out all mysteries that make life more interesting, or creepy lol. If I catch Mom's ghost on camera, I am a believer. The best part is that anything can be a friggin alien or a disorder of the brain, but Jesus tests true.

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -Try this if you doubt to ever see something. I work in Graphic design and have a very sharp eye for detail. One day I noticed a pixel sized light on my computer screen. However, the light also noticed that I noticed it and stopped, turned and shot away! Skeptical I started studying the eye and learned about these things called Phosphenes. They appear when you "see stars" after hitting your head. If you look for them you will see them and it will affect your life. They are aware.

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -Sorry, but this is good shit, only a handful of people know this and they are everywhere. I wanted to know if these light-pixels were inside my eye so I thought of a way to test this and when I spotted one, I quickly put my finger out to tell if it was in front or behind and guess what? The fucker was on the other side waiting until I pulled my finger away. It actually wanted to prove it was independently traversing the space around me. They are fast and hide so keep looking.

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -I come from a family with scary stories of demonic influence. My Mother and her brother made their own Ouija board and pointer and couldn't get it to work so they whined and moaned that it wasn't working to their Mother who turned in frustration and said, "You want it to work! It will work!" Then the pointer began to answer questions without being touched. They thought that this was what it was supposed to do and didn't think twice. This doesn't prove Jesus, but it proves something.

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad I agree am not as closed minded as you think about such things.

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -You're OK in my book:) And, unlike the Christian elite, Jesus didn't hate gay people and would never condemn a woman for having an abortion. Jesus was a good man who coined the phrase "Ye hypocrates", he hated double-standards and secrecy. He was a radical, defiant man who was killed for his zeal. He hates the 700 Club, Tent Revivals, and Faith Healers! He spent his time with the downtrodden and helped them learn to live happier lives. He was about forgiveness not punishment. Peace.

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad At least we came to some agreement instead just arguing over theism.

[TheLaunchingPad]

@wachnathan -Touche, We all know what's bad about Theism, but that doesn't mean it's dumb if someone has seen crazy shit and was affected by it and then wanted to remember it ritualistically or thought it would help them live better. It's dumb when they act like God is a big prick who requires blood for sin and teaches little kids about murder and hatred and demands we proselytize everyone. I am with you on that. I think we will find ourselves fighting the same assholes in the near future. peace

[wachnathan]

@TheLaunchingPad Ofcourse!

[Jshect]

Please post the rest of the debate. I am sure you didn't post it because Robert Price probably destroyed Jacoby.

[FIRSTGLADI8R]

Weak and intellectually dishonest. FYI - There is "NO" historical records of Jesus from his time period. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Sleepy Christian!

[njs336]

Where is the rest of the debate?

and for what reason are we to believe unequivocally that Jesus was neither liar nor madmen?

and you never addressed the fact that even the earliest estimations of the earliest of these gospels, to which you refer as if they are evidentiary, was written at least a lifetime after the death of jesus (if he was in fact killed around 6 AD), the later being anywhere between 3-4 lifetimes after the fact given a conservative estimate.

[wfenio]

Where is the other side of the debate? I was hoping to see the whole thing...

[Tridhos]

That is truly pathetic and disingenuous not showing the other side of this debate but it is what I have come to expect from so called Christians.

[Transformers217]

@Tridhos The other part is on here, you just have to look for it. :)

[sickofgod69]

@Transformers217 Great, can you link Bob Price's response to the monologue trash spewed by Jacoby? That would be fantastic!! I searched and it doesn't exist.

[Transformers217]

@sickofgod69 Yeah, you can find the whole thing on Jacoby's website. And as far as I'm concerned, Jacoby won an excellent debate. You can also buy the debate for 12 bucks. :)

[Transformers217]

@Tridhos Or maybe he beat Price so badly, that he didn't want to show it? Lol!

[nonchai]

So Mr Jacoby, youre not going to put up Bob Prices portion or Not ?

Or did he rebut you so convincingly that you simply havent got the courage to put this up.

[RenewalOfAllThings]

Sick, he showed that history completely verifies the events in the bible. Were you watching or sleeping?

[sickofgod69]

@RenewalOfAllThings He showed no such thing. No matter how much you want to try to pretend he made lucid argument, we have here nothing but speculation based on texts written hundreds of years post imaginary jesus death.

[Transformers217]

@sickofgod69 He actually made a great argument, based on historical facts. Based on the evidence that supports the New Testament being a genuine historical document written over 2,000 years ago. The New Testament started to be written a good 15 years after Jesus's death. That's not enough time to form a mythology. So it's either the quickest mythology ever made, or the real thing. Some of the writings even date back to 35 AD, which is a good 5 years after Jesus's death.

[Transformers217]

@sickofgod69 There is more historical evidence for Jesus, then for the 300 Spartans in "300." But you don't try to deny their existence, because they don't tell you how to live your life.

[metalicboy]

notice how the videos are 2min 6 min 8 min...

:O this might have been intentional, call the bullshit police

[sickofgod69]

What complete circular thinking. Jesus must be real, cause the bible says it.

[Transformers217]

@sickofgod69 And so does history.

[sickofgod69]

Clearly Price cut him to shreds. This is the apologetics way of cutting their loses, hide the truth.

[MrMohjong]

@sickofgod69 I know right lol, I just wrote Robert to let him know about the one sided debate so

[libirated]

shame on you if don't show the rest of the debate.

is this how you prove your point. I agree with ospiker

all they r doing is distorting the history.

[0spiker]

Perhaps Price's criticism was too devastating to post?

[gerede1]

Are you going to be posting the rest of the debate? It just got started, and I don't see the rest--Robert Price only started his 15-minute segment and then...? Perhaps I've simply overlooked the remaining segments? Please link them all together so viewers can follow the whole debate. Thank you!